March 23, 2022 • 28 mins
Welcoming Chelsea Clinton to The Pod Club! Before Women’s History Month ends, there was one person we needed to talk to -- Chelsea Clinton. Her podcast, In Fact, is in the middle of a special season highlighting trailblazing women across a variety of fields including Megan Rapinoe, Stella McCartney, and Kara Swisher. But this episode ended up bringing us so many surprises. Chelsea and host Jo Piazza talk about literally everything from bonding over having podcasts that feature women’s stories, to raising strong children, to eating Schnitzel by candlelight. Chelsea’s ties to the podcast world run deep: both of her parents, Hillary and Bill Clinton, host their own podcasts, and Chelsea has used podcasts to bond with her own children. She’s got lots of family friendly recommendations that might just save your sanity on the next long car ride.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We were just talking about how the power went out
up in the cat Skills. Last night, I was at
a restaurant and the restaurant everyone just rolled with it.
They were like, okay, cool, candles on the table like
they brought They brought out candles, and they're like, so
we only have schnitzel because the deep friars still working.
And we're like, cool, we'll eat some schnitzel. That sounds great.
Thank you. I haven't thought about schnitzel in a really
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long time. Why would you? Why would you? It was delicious?
It was actually it was delicious, and it was a
great adventure. You know, you just roll with things. Um,
thank you so much for hopping on this morning. Thanks
for hyping me to talk about schnitzel and whatever else
we might talk. Yeah, we're gonna talk about schnitzel. We're
gonna talk about women, and we're going to talk about podcasts,
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podcast podcast Welcome back to the pod club. That was
none other than Chelsea Clinton talking to schnitzel with me.
And let me tell you, she is a lady who
can talk about absolutely anything, which I discovered when we
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hopped on the microphone to talk about her podcast In
Fact and ended up talking about pretty much everything else.
Chelsea is just one of the three Clinton's who has
a podcast these days. Her parents, Hilary and Bill also
have their own shows. Like I mentioned, Chelsea's is called
In Fact with Chelsea Clinton. Hi, I'm Chelsea Clinton. What
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do vaccines, stigma, climate change, in sex saven common? They're
all connected to our public health. And one of the
best parts about it is that Chelsea is a really
down to earth interviewer and storyteller. Like I said, it
feels like she can talk to anyone really about anything,
and I felt really honored that I got to have
this conversation with her on International Women's Day. It's pretty
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cool that the first thing I got to do to
celebrate that magical day was to chat about female accomplishments
in the world and in podcasting. So you have a
really what you guys are calling a special season of
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your podcast right now, which is so many episodes all
at once are coming out to celebrate Women's History Month. Yes,
and we are talking today on UM on International Women's Day.
So like, happy International Women's Day and Happy Women's History Month. UM.
This morning I said to my kids, I was like,
happy International Women's Day and they were like, it's six
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thirty in the morning, mom, And I was like, right, okay,
this is more dinner table conversation. When my breakfast conversation.
I said the same thing to my kids. I've got
a four year old boy and a two year old girl,
and my son goes, why do women just get a day?
I think that's a great question that you're four year
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old is asking. I know, I feel like I'm raising
a good man. I was really really proud in that moment.
I often, you know, say, when I'm asked more about
my children's books than admittedly about kind of the podcast, like,
you know, who do you hope reads these books? And
I say, I really hope young readers of all genders
read these books the families, because it's really, I think
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important that little boys grew up looking up to and
being inspired by, motivated by the stories and examples of
of strong, extraordinary, powerful, persistent women in their own lives,
and that they will read about in you in books
you know, including mine, and hopefully certainly not only in mine.
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My number one goal is to tell women's stories that
haven't been told before, or that haven't been told in
in the way that we should be telling them, which
is looking at them as leaders and trailblazers and just
you know, bad as history makers. And I think that
that's what you're doing so beautifully. On in fact, tell
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us about incredible slit of women that you've interviewed for
Women's History Month, because it's good, Like your lineup is
real good. We talk with Stella McCartney. I think fashion
something else that we often think of as as a
woman's world, given that women are the main consumers of
fashion and often the main creators of fashion, that the seamstresses,
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the people who kind of print fabrics, um literally fabricate fabrics,
and yet overwhelmingly UM kind of fashion houses and brands
are are helmed by men. And so you know, Stella
for now twenty years has been the head of her
own brand UM and has really worked hard to support
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other women in the industry, and so I wanted to
talk to her both about like being a leader in
fashion and also leader in sustainable fashion. Stella told me
that the fashion industry actually accounts for more greenhouse gas
admissions and wastewater than the aviation industry. What yeah, oh,
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I know. I also I also didn't know this. Yeah,
I didn't either, and so she's been pushing for regulation
because you know, she's saying, look like, I'm part of
this industry and I know we need to be regulated.
And so anyway, like super um interesting conversation at least
for me, I hope also for listeners and a fun note,
we talked about her designing Mini Mouses pants suit. I
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also didn't know this, yes, right wild for almost a
hundred years, because long as Miny Mouse has been in existence,
she's only ever worn dresses. I know she's never been
in pants. I can't wait to look this up. I'm
gonna I'm just gonna google it right now. I'm not
offended at all. She's like a beautiful kind of dark
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bluish purple. Many deserves that pants suit, I know. And
the outcried Joe. The number of people were like, how
dare you? That's a great many No, I put her
in pants, And you're like, I'm sorry, that's your response
to a cartoon character, Like what are you saying about
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the women in your life? About your daughters and your mom,
your sisters, your colleagues, your students. If you're a teacher,
like who might be wearing pants. Well, I just finished
your episode on Mashama Bailey this morning. She's if you
guys haven't heard of her, she is the executive chef
and founder of the restaurant The Gray in Savannah, which
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is gorgeous and is also in a formerly segregated bus station.
Um and as a black female chef, she said that
was one of the reasons that she said, Oh okay, yes,
like I have to do this. This is a moment
in history. And in your interview you talked to her
about how when she was in culinary school, they didn't
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study any women chefs, and much less black women knives. No,
she was like, wait, I know there must have been
women before me, but yeah, that was really start to me.
I was like, wait, they didn't even like there wasn't
even a two. There wasn't even like the pretense of, like,
you know, including women, Like there just weren't any in
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her curriculum. My main experience with chefs were on television really,
so when it came to actually figuring out who a
real life chef was, I wasn't very versed in eating
in restaurants. I was first and eating in my grandmother's kitchens.
I ended up finding an old I think it was
an Ebony article like that was done in like early nineties,
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and it was talking about miss and the Lewis, and
I just started digging about her and looking at her
history and looking at the cookbooks she had written, and
really learning about who she was and how she got
to become a chef in the United States and also
the legacy that she created for herself. And all right,
who else? Tell us some of your other guests. I
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also got to talk with Megan Rapino about the recent settlement.
I mean, of course about her like being a soccer icon,
and you know, similar to what we were talking about
earlier about the importance of representation in books for kids.
I also see like the representation of sports and how
much it matters if you ask my kids, like what
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does a soccer player look like? Without me missing a beat,
Like my son and my daughter like who are older
would say, um, like the lady with the pink hair.
And so we talk about, of course, like her soccer career.
We spent a lot of time. They're talking about how
she knew she was never going to be like just
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an athlete, and like just like she knew that she
needed to take a stand, sometimes take a knee for
issues that were really important to her, um, including equal
pay and how important it was to her to fight
for equal pay, for back pay for the women on
the national team today, and also to kind of set
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the conditions for equal pay going forward. She talks about
how shocked she was when she realized like she wasn't
paid equally. She was like, I didn't know I had
to worry about that until all of a sudden, I
was like, wait, what do you mean I don't earn
as much as them in Like, what do you mean
our practice facilities aren't as nice, like our weight room
facilities aren't as nice, like our food is sub harm
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Sometimes we recommend podcasts to people on the show, and
I don't like recommending my own podcasts because I feel
like a weird self promoter, which is probably a female
imposter syndrome thing that I need to get over. Okay,
I'm working on that too. Yeah, we're all working at it.
But um, we've made a podcast a couple of years
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ago that I think you're gonna love, called Fierce Stories
of Women Who Changed the World. Going to write he's
down right now, I can't type when we're going to
do a same problem, and it is just it's narrative storytelling.
We have actors reading some of the women's parts about
incredible women in history that you may never have heard of.
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And one of them is obviously a woman you've probably
heard of, Jeanette Rankin, the first U. S. Congresswoman. But
we also have Madam C. J. Walker, the self made millionaire,
Dorothy Arsner, the Hollywood director, Grace Hopper, the essentially the
creator of computer code, and in a Bug a bug,
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which yes, my kids are obsessed with the fact that
Grace Hopper named a computer bug a bus. And Phillis Sweetley,
the first American poet. So yes, this is this is
a podcast. I think it's just it's in the vein
of in fact, and thank you give this a try,
because I think that you'll really like this one. It
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was a cold, windy November seven in Montana. A local
woman rode fourteen miles on horseback to cast her ballot
in the nineteen sixteen election. She was eight months pregnant.
She'd later write in a letter that she'd gladly do
it all over again just to be able to vote
for Jeanette Rankin. This woman's vote would be one of
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the seventy six thousands that sent Jeanette rank into Congress
the following year, one of the votes that made Rankin
the very first woman elected as a United States congress person.
A wire report from Rankin swearing in could barely contain
the emotion of the day. Men and women in the
galleries pounded hands together and yelled themselves. Horse members did
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the same on both sides of the chamber. When Miss
Jeanette Rankin, the lady from Montana, entered the hall, Franklin
said this about the event. I will be the first
woman in Congress, but I will not be the last.
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It is really always so fascinating to me, admittedly because
I'm their mother, but just like see what my children
attach onto like they are, especially my son is obsessed
with Gladys West, and I admittedly promised him I would
mention her in every interview, which is now why I
am hardly mentioning her and so and so how did
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he get into Gladys West. Well, like reading like my
most recent children's books, she persisted in science, I write
about Gladys West, and he just can't get over her.
It's really fascinating to me, like which of the stories
our our kids attached to that we bring into their lives.
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It is just, you know, such a gift not to
me as their mother, to watch their little brains and
hearts unlock and developed as they are becoming, becoming themselves
and hopefully, like me as their mom, is just helping
them be the best version of themselves. And so I
will make sure we kind of collectively listen to the
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Fierce podcast too. So that was like a long circuitous
way of saying I won't just listen to it on
my runs, I will also listen to it with my kids.
It's fairly kid friendly. A lot of parents have been
watching listening to it with their kids and then talking
about it afterwards. That which was the coolest thing about
making it. We're just like, yeah, that's exactly what we wanted.
So do you like doing podcasts? Do you like this
kind of media? I grew up listening to the radio
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with my mom, and so I grew up absorbing information
and commentary and especially storytelling, you know, kind of through
my ears into my brain and heart. And so when
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podcasts really kind of exploded, I sort of felt like, oh,
I've been waiting for the same saying, this is the moment.
It's just really so ready for it. And so I
listened to lots of podcasts. We listened to lots of
podcasts as a family because admittedly, it's so fun to
be able to listen to stories with my kids and
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then talk about what we're learning or kind of what
we're feeling and reaction to what we've just heard and
and so it feels very organic, you know, for me
to kind of engage in this way, And I'm so
thankful because I love I love podcasts, and I love podcasting.
So you have a podcast, your mom has a podcast,
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your dad has a podcast. Do you guys listen to
each other's podcasts? We do? I mean, well, I could
shouldn't speak for them. I know that my mom listens
to least some of my podcast because then she like
provides feedback and commentary on them in my dad's podcasts
in partnership with the Clinton Foundation. So I listened to most,
if not all, of them, because they are often people
either that we've worked with, um that I know are
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people we've worked with. It I don't know, but I
do wish that I knew more about and then thankfu,
that's an opportunity to do that. And I do listen
to my mom's podcasts. I admit I haven't listened to
any of this season, but they're in my queue and
I will. But I did make it all the way
through last season. But I just feel like I have
to be totally honest that I haven't yet, but I will,
just for our audience that doesn't know your dad's podcast,
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Why am I telling you this? With the Clinton Foundation,
I just listened to his episode with Michael Murphy about architecture.
Michael Murphy is someone was one of those people that
I met and I was like, yes, like you are
doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing, and I
want to help you do that, and whenever I can't,
just this like deep mission of bringing dignity to the
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built environment, into the spaces where we hopefully are being
healed and educated it and living. And I just am
so proud to know him and am like always in
his corner. I also listened to your mom's podcast, You
and Me both recently and it was the episode with
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Cheryl Strait. Yeah, they have a great relationship, um, and
I've heard them kind of be in conversation before, and
I always learned something um, which is particularly fun when
someone draw something out of like my parents, like someone
you know my whole life. I know well, and I'm
really close to my parents, and when I learned something
about them, it's always feels like a particular gift. They
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were so like open and warm and vulnerable with each
other that it was just nice. I felt like a
fly on the wall in someone's friendly conversation. Do your
kids ever ask you for your advice? Of mean? Or
are they typical teenagers? Don't think you have anything to
tell them? Please? No, of course they don't ask me. No.
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I might give them advice, Hilary, but they do not.
They do not listen to it or follow it in
any way. I mean, you you know you've lived through
it with Chelsea, right like you've parented a teen and
there she is now, this nice young woman of full
grown up, a mother herself. I mean, honestly, my husband
Brian and I sometimes have felt really a kind of
crisis of consciousness about this because we are both very political,
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very much activist to My husband's a documentary filmmaker and
has made all kinds of important films about social issues
and I have to and certainly we can see that
our kids have absorbed that. You know that they both
are incredibly their progressives and they're there. They even push
us further on various issues. They're very outspoken. But when
it comes to values like I don't know, clean up
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after yourself, you know, like do your own dishes, like
leave a place better than you found it, that value
has not been absorbed. What do you listen to? What
do you what do you love right now? In podcasts?
So I'm going to give you a few answers first
about kids, Yes, perfect, perfect, because I'm always looking for
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new kid podcasts. All right, Well, we do love greeking Out.
We've listened to all of greeking Out. I don't know
creaking out. Oh you don't know greeking out. Oh my gosh,
it's great. It's like Greek myths. It's wonderful, like you know,
bites ay, it's like fifteen thirty minutes. Only Athena stayed
behind in her human form to face the monster. In
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her enchanted armor, she hurled spears and rocks of Typhon
as he climbed the mountain George the God's palace. She
also didn't miss the opportunity to mock the other gods
for fleeing like cowards. Maybe this was what kept Zeus
from escaping. I mean, if anyone had a reason to
fear Typhon, it would be him, right. But seeing his
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fiercely brave daughter standing alone on the cliff battling the
giant monster gave him the courage to join the flight.
Instead of flying away as a giant eagle, he landed
atop a near by mountain and began to hurl thunderbolt
of Typhon while Athena held him back. It was actually
a pretty good strategy. It's fantastic and I can hear
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now I'm talking. I'm like greeking out. I can't seem
to save my life. But they have a great little
like Catchy Diddy in the background. Um, we love grim Grimmer, Grimmace.
I've also never heard of this. Oh my gosh, Adam Gibwitz,
it's wonderful. Although your children are probably a little too young.
And Adam, I've never met him, but we listened to
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all this podcasts, so I feel like we're on a
first name base. You are absolutely I'm sure that he
would agree. Okay, great, Thank you Adam in the ether.
So Adam rates his podcasts like Grim Grimmer or Grimmace,
and there mainly Grim fairy tales, but they're not only
Grim fairy tales. There are others kind of from that era,
kind of the first fairy tales, and so the grim
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are often just sort of weird, and the grammar are
like weird and a little bit creepy, and the grammats
like lots of people die. Basically, do you want to
hear a grim fairy tin? You may think you know
grim fairy tales, but listen. Those are the cute little
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kid bedtime versions. The original stories aren't like that at all.
The door burst open and a tall, pale man dressed
all in black entered the room carrying a humongous head
of rotting cabbage. What what the heck? My kids love
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like animals and science, and so we do listen to
a lot of there's they're not really podcasts in the
way that like you have podcasts or in fact, but
a lot of the zoos do really wonderful kind of
like bite sized podcasts. You can listen to them on
the podcast platforms like the National Zoo or the San
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Diego Zoo or the Cincinnati Zoo, will do you like
and today we're gonna tell you about pandas or today
like you're going to learn about frogs. I have like
a serious, um animal crush. If that's like not such
a weird thing to say. Is on Fiona, the hippo
I love so much. I've gotten to meet her twice
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and each time it's like this deeply meaningful experience that
my children appropriately make fun of me for, as does
my husband. He's like, you have a really strange relationship
with Fiona. I was like, how do I get to Cincinnati?
I know it's weird that it's the place that I
always want to go to the most, because then it's
not weird, not weird at all. Nope. Um, we follow
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all of them on social media, all the zoos, and
during the pandemic, they're little videos pretty much saved our life. Yeah,
So any other podcast that you want to recommend to anyone?
I think let's focus on the kids podcasts, Yes, give me,
give me more so. The National Geographic does Greeking Out
and then they have other kids podcasts. So I would
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recommend anyone who also is once more than like just
learning more about their local zoo to like look at
their whole kind of family of podcasts. We listen to
the Story Pirates same, which is so fun and also
I think so great for our children to kind of
hear them like the modeling of like, oh, we can
help create stories to like we can also be authors.
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We can also like invent a narrative. It's kids storytelling
improv in a way where they just they start with
an idea and then go kind of crazy with it
by the end of it. And it has also taught
my kids about how a story gets formed and how
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you can create characters and stories out of absolutely anything.
And they have some of the best guests, like every
best selling author and musician. They've had Lin Manuel Miranda
and John Oliver and Claire Danes On and they were
also fun fact Um winner of the I Heart Radio
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Award for the Best Family Podcast. So yes, big big
fan of Story Pirates. Over here, Another beautiful day, drink
it in Hayley. Hey, Peter, isn't it an incredible day?
The sun is shining, there's not a cloud in sight.
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We're flying through the sky on a magical Viking slash
Pirate hybrid podcast. Chip. Everything's perfect. Someone did a good mood?
Who what? Who's in a good mood? You? Oh? Well
you should have said that. Uh what? Okay, somebody's confused?
Who you? I don't understand what's happening? Neither do I need.
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We listened to four verr Ago. Oh, also a new
one for me? What is this one? It's a history
show and it is, you know, a family show that
really geared towards children. And it's like, you know, talks
about kind of history, but through objects often like umbrellas, oh,
or cameras. So fun. Yeah, I'm trying to think what
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else do they do? I'm looking at that right now.
They have a whole they have a whole episode on sandwiches. Yes,
what have we got for making a sandwich? Okay, looks
like tomatoes, bacon, mayo, mustard, swiss cheese, cheddar ketchup, pickles, ham, turkey. Wow,
we have it all awesome. I'm gonna make a b
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lt me too. Let me just grab the bread. Ben
we don't have any bread. No, no, we can't have
a sandwich without bread. It's just a stack of food. Wait. No, no,
we don't need bread. We'll just we'll use books. See
a book which no, no, no shoes. Wait, banana peels
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that will work, right, This isn't happening. This isn't happening.
Hold on, I found some bread in the freezer. Really yes,
let you say, oh no, wait, it's Risin bread. And
there you have it. Joy and Ben trapped at the
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lunching hour without sandwiches in the hunger zone. So like,
there's just there's so many, like really great podcasts that
we listen to as a family, like over meals, like
on the weekends, like or while we're cooking, and then
we talk about them over meals, like while I'm cooking
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or my husband's cooking. We like listen to them and
then we talk about them while we're eating like lunch
or dinner. And so that's just a fun it's something
we do in our family. You have just given me
so much to listen to with my kids. Today has
been wonderful. I love this is this is the best
way to start my morning. I'm so happy that we
did this well. Joe, thank you for having me, and
thank you to everyone in the background. That's it for
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the pod Club. You should definitely listen to Chelsea and
listen to all of the Clinton's podcasts. It's good content.
Chelsea Show is called in fact with Chelsea Clinton, you
should definitely be binging all of our Women's History Month content.
And then there's also why am I telling you this?
With Bill Clinton? And You and Me both with Hillary Clinton.
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A quick recap of the show. As we talked about today,
we recommended fierce stories of women who change the world
and many many kids podcasts. We are going to do
a whole another episode on kids podcasts, but these these recommendations,
they're going to change my life. During long car rides,
we talked about Greeking Out, Grimm Grimmer, Grimaced, the San
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Diego Zoo and Cincinnati Zoo's audio content and story pirates,
and Forever Ago so much, so much to listen to
see you next week, my friends. The pod Club is
hosted by me Joe Piazza. Our executive producers are Me
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Again and Emily Marinoff. Our producers are Mary Do and
Darby Masters. Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our theme
and additional music was composed by Aaron Kaufman. Aaron Kaufman
is also our consulting producer and special thanks to Nikki
Tour he was just a wonderful human being who I
like to think at the end of episodes
We were just talking about how the power went out
up in the cat Skills. Last night, I was at
a restaurant and the restaurant everyone just rolled with it.
They were like, okay, cool, candles on the table like
they brought They brought out candles, and they're like, so
we only have schnitzel because the deep friars still working.
And we're like, cool, we'll eat some schnitzel. That sounds great.
Thank you. I haven't thought about schnitzel in a really
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long time. Why would you? Why would you? It was delicious?
It was actually it was delicious, and it was a
great adventure. You know, you just roll with things. Um,
thank you so much for hopping on this morning. Thanks
for hyping me to talk about schnitzel and whatever else
we might talk. Yeah, we're gonna talk about schnitzel. We're
gonna talk about women, and we're going to talk about podcasts,
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podcast podcast Welcome back to the pod club. That was
none other than Chelsea Clinton talking to schnitzel with me.
And let me tell you, she is a lady who
can talk about absolutely anything, which I discovered when we
(01:05):
hopped on the microphone to talk about her podcast In
Fact and ended up talking about pretty much everything else.
Chelsea is just one of the three Clinton's who has
a podcast these days. Her parents, Hilary and Bill also
have their own shows. Like I mentioned, Chelsea's is called
In Fact with Chelsea Clinton. Hi, I'm Chelsea Clinton. What
(01:26):
do vaccines, stigma, climate change, in sex saven common? They're
all connected to our public health. And one of the
best parts about it is that Chelsea is a really
down to earth interviewer and storyteller. Like I said, it
feels like she can talk to anyone really about anything,
and I felt really honored that I got to have
this conversation with her on International Women's Day. It's pretty
(01:48):
cool that the first thing I got to do to
celebrate that magical day was to chat about female accomplishments
in the world and in podcasting. So you have a
really what you guys are calling a special season of
(02:09):
your podcast right now, which is so many episodes all
at once are coming out to celebrate Women's History Month. Yes,
and we are talking today on UM on International Women's Day.
So like, happy International Women's Day and Happy Women's History Month. UM.
This morning I said to my kids, I was like,
happy International Women's Day and they were like, it's six
(02:29):
thirty in the morning, mom, And I was like, right, okay,
this is more dinner table conversation. When my breakfast conversation.
I said the same thing to my kids. I've got
a four year old boy and a two year old girl,
and my son goes, why do women just get a day?
I think that's a great question that you're four year
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old is asking. I know, I feel like I'm raising
a good man. I was really really proud in that moment.
I often, you know, say, when I'm asked more about
my children's books than admittedly about kind of the podcast, like,
you know, who do you hope reads these books? And
I say, I really hope young readers of all genders
read these books the families, because it's really, I think
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important that little boys grew up looking up to and
being inspired by, motivated by the stories and examples of
of strong, extraordinary, powerful, persistent women in their own lives,
and that they will read about in you in books
you know, including mine, and hopefully certainly not only in mine.
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My number one goal is to tell women's stories that
haven't been told before, or that haven't been told in
in the way that we should be telling them, which
is looking at them as leaders and trailblazers and just
you know, bad as history makers. And I think that
that's what you're doing so beautifully. On in fact, tell
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us about incredible slit of women that you've interviewed for
Women's History Month, because it's good, Like your lineup is
real good. We talk with Stella McCartney. I think fashion
something else that we often think of as as a
woman's world, given that women are the main consumers of
fashion and often the main creators of fashion, that the seamstresses,
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the people who kind of print fabrics, um literally fabricate fabrics,
and yet overwhelmingly UM kind of fashion houses and brands
are are helmed by men. And so you know, Stella
for now twenty years has been the head of her
own brand UM and has really worked hard to support
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other women in the industry, and so I wanted to
talk to her both about like being a leader in
fashion and also leader in sustainable fashion. Stella told me
that the fashion industry actually accounts for more greenhouse gas
admissions and wastewater than the aviation industry. What yeah, oh,
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I know. I also I also didn't know this. Yeah,
I didn't either, and so she's been pushing for regulation
because you know, she's saying, look like, I'm part of
this industry and I know we need to be regulated.
And so anyway, like super um interesting conversation at least
for me, I hope also for listeners and a fun note,
we talked about her designing Mini Mouses pants suit. I
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also didn't know this, yes, right wild for almost a
hundred years, because long as Miny Mouse has been in existence,
she's only ever worn dresses. I know she's never been
in pants. I can't wait to look this up. I'm
gonna I'm just gonna google it right now. I'm not
offended at all. She's like a beautiful kind of dark
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bluish purple. Many deserves that pants suit, I know. And
the outcried Joe. The number of people were like, how
dare you? That's a great many No, I put her
in pants, And you're like, I'm sorry, that's your response
to a cartoon character, Like what are you saying about
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the women in your life? About your daughters and your mom,
your sisters, your colleagues, your students. If you're a teacher,
like who might be wearing pants. Well, I just finished
your episode on Mashama Bailey this morning. She's if you
guys haven't heard of her, she is the executive chef
and founder of the restaurant The Gray in Savannah, which
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is gorgeous and is also in a formerly segregated bus station.
Um and as a black female chef, she said that
was one of the reasons that she said, Oh okay, yes,
like I have to do this. This is a moment
in history. And in your interview you talked to her
about how when she was in culinary school, they didn't
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study any women chefs, and much less black women knives. No,
she was like, wait, I know there must have been
women before me, but yeah, that was really start to me.
I was like, wait, they didn't even like there wasn't
even a two. There wasn't even like the pretense of, like,
you know, including women, Like there just weren't any in
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her curriculum. My main experience with chefs were on television really,
so when it came to actually figuring out who a
real life chef was, I wasn't very versed in eating
in restaurants. I was first and eating in my grandmother's kitchens.
I ended up finding an old I think it was
an Ebony article like that was done in like early nineties,
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and it was talking about miss and the Lewis, and
I just started digging about her and looking at her
history and looking at the cookbooks she had written, and
really learning about who she was and how she got
to become a chef in the United States and also
the legacy that she created for herself. And all right,
who else? Tell us some of your other guests. I
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also got to talk with Megan Rapino about the recent settlement.
I mean, of course about her like being a soccer icon,
and you know, similar to what we were talking about
earlier about the importance of representation in books for kids.
I also see like the representation of sports and how
much it matters if you ask my kids, like what
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does a soccer player look like? Without me missing a beat,
Like my son and my daughter like who are older
would say, um, like the lady with the pink hair.
And so we talk about, of course, like her soccer career.
We spent a lot of time. They're talking about how
she knew she was never going to be like just
(08:39):
an athlete, and like just like she knew that she
needed to take a stand, sometimes take a knee for
issues that were really important to her, um, including equal
pay and how important it was to her to fight
for equal pay, for back pay for the women on
the national team today, and also to kind of set
(08:59):
the conditions for equal pay going forward. She talks about
how shocked she was when she realized like she wasn't
paid equally. She was like, I didn't know I had
to worry about that until all of a sudden, I
was like, wait, what do you mean I don't earn
as much as them in Like, what do you mean
our practice facilities aren't as nice, like our weight room
facilities aren't as nice, like our food is sub harm
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Sometimes we recommend podcasts to people on the show, and
I don't like recommending my own podcasts because I feel
like a weird self promoter, which is probably a female
imposter syndrome thing that I need to get over. Okay,
I'm working on that too. Yeah, we're all working at it.
But um, we've made a podcast a couple of years
(10:03):
ago that I think you're gonna love, called Fierce Stories
of Women Who Changed the World. Going to write he's
down right now, I can't type when we're going to
do a same problem, and it is just it's narrative storytelling.
We have actors reading some of the women's parts about
incredible women in history that you may never have heard of.
(10:25):
And one of them is obviously a woman you've probably
heard of, Jeanette Rankin, the first U. S. Congresswoman. But
we also have Madam C. J. Walker, the self made millionaire,
Dorothy Arsner, the Hollywood director, Grace Hopper, the essentially the
creator of computer code, and in a Bug a bug,
(10:47):
which yes, my kids are obsessed with the fact that
Grace Hopper named a computer bug a bus. And Phillis Sweetley,
the first American poet. So yes, this is this is
a podcast. I think it's just it's in the vein
of in fact, and thank you give this a try,
because I think that you'll really like this one. It
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was a cold, windy November seven in Montana. A local
woman rode fourteen miles on horseback to cast her ballot
in the nineteen sixteen election. She was eight months pregnant.
She'd later write in a letter that she'd gladly do
it all over again just to be able to vote
for Jeanette Rankin. This woman's vote would be one of
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the seventy six thousands that sent Jeanette rank into Congress
the following year, one of the votes that made Rankin
the very first woman elected as a United States congress person.
A wire report from Rankin swearing in could barely contain
the emotion of the day. Men and women in the
galleries pounded hands together and yelled themselves. Horse members did
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the same on both sides of the chamber. When Miss
Jeanette Rankin, the lady from Montana, entered the hall, Franklin
said this about the event. I will be the first
woman in Congress, but I will not be the last.
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It is really always so fascinating to me, admittedly because
I'm their mother, but just like see what my children
attach onto like they are, especially my son is obsessed
with Gladys West, and I admittedly promised him I would
mention her in every interview, which is now why I
am hardly mentioning her and so and so how did
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he get into Gladys West. Well, like reading like my
most recent children's books, she persisted in science, I write
about Gladys West, and he just can't get over her.
It's really fascinating to me, like which of the stories
our our kids attached to that we bring into their lives.
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It is just, you know, such a gift not to
me as their mother, to watch their little brains and
hearts unlock and developed as they are becoming, becoming themselves
and hopefully, like me as their mom, is just helping
them be the best version of themselves. And so I
will make sure we kind of collectively listen to the
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Fierce podcast too. So that was like a long circuitous
way of saying I won't just listen to it on
my runs, I will also listen to it with my kids.
It's fairly kid friendly. A lot of parents have been
watching listening to it with their kids and then talking
about it afterwards. That which was the coolest thing about
making it. We're just like, yeah, that's exactly what we wanted.
So do you like doing podcasts? Do you like this
kind of media? I grew up listening to the radio
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with my mom, and so I grew up absorbing information
and commentary and especially storytelling, you know, kind of through
my ears into my brain and heart. And so when
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podcasts really kind of exploded, I sort of felt like, oh,
I've been waiting for the same saying, this is the moment.
It's just really so ready for it. And so I
listened to lots of podcasts. We listened to lots of
podcasts as a family because admittedly, it's so fun to
be able to listen to stories with my kids and
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then talk about what we're learning or kind of what
we're feeling and reaction to what we've just heard and
and so it feels very organic, you know, for me
to kind of engage in this way, And I'm so
thankful because I love I love podcasts, and I love podcasting.
So you have a podcast, your mom has a podcast,
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your dad has a podcast. Do you guys listen to
each other's podcasts? We do? I mean, well, I could
shouldn't speak for them. I know that my mom listens
to least some of my podcast because then she like
provides feedback and commentary on them in my dad's podcasts
in partnership with the Clinton Foundation. So I listened to most,
if not all, of them, because they are often people
either that we've worked with, um that I know are
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people we've worked with. It I don't know, but I
do wish that I knew more about and then thankfu,
that's an opportunity to do that. And I do listen
to my mom's podcasts. I admit I haven't listened to
any of this season, but they're in my queue and
I will. But I did make it all the way
through last season. But I just feel like I have
to be totally honest that I haven't yet, but I will,
just for our audience that doesn't know your dad's podcast,
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Why am I telling you this? With the Clinton Foundation,
I just listened to his episode with Michael Murphy about architecture.
Michael Murphy is someone was one of those people that
I met and I was like, yes, like you are
doing exactly what you're supposed to be doing, and I
want to help you do that, and whenever I can't,
just this like deep mission of bringing dignity to the
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built environment, into the spaces where we hopefully are being
healed and educated it and living. And I just am
so proud to know him and am like always in
his corner. I also listened to your mom's podcast, You
and Me both recently and it was the episode with
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Cheryl Strait. Yeah, they have a great relationship, um, and
I've heard them kind of be in conversation before, and
I always learned something um, which is particularly fun when
someone draw something out of like my parents, like someone
you know my whole life. I know well, and I'm
really close to my parents, and when I learned something
about them, it's always feels like a particular gift. They
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were so like open and warm and vulnerable with each
other that it was just nice. I felt like a
fly on the wall in someone's friendly conversation. Do your
kids ever ask you for your advice? Of mean? Or
are they typical teenagers? Don't think you have anything to
tell them? Please? No, of course they don't ask me. No.
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I might give them advice, Hilary, but they do not.
They do not listen to it or follow it in
any way. I mean, you you know you've lived through
it with Chelsea, right like you've parented a teen and
there she is now, this nice young woman of full
grown up, a mother herself. I mean, honestly, my husband
Brian and I sometimes have felt really a kind of
crisis of consciousness about this because we are both very political,
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very much activist to My husband's a documentary filmmaker and
has made all kinds of important films about social issues
and I have to and certainly we can see that
our kids have absorbed that. You know that they both
are incredibly their progressives and they're there. They even push
us further on various issues. They're very outspoken. But when
it comes to values like I don't know, clean up
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after yourself, you know, like do your own dishes, like
leave a place better than you found it, that value
has not been absorbed. What do you listen to? What
do you what do you love right now? In podcasts?
So I'm going to give you a few answers first
about kids, Yes, perfect, perfect, because I'm always looking for
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new kid podcasts. All right, Well, we do love greeking Out.
We've listened to all of greeking Out. I don't know
creaking out. Oh you don't know greeking out. Oh my gosh,
it's great. It's like Greek myths. It's wonderful, like you know,
bites ay, it's like fifteen thirty minutes. Only Athena stayed
behind in her human form to face the monster. In
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her enchanted armor, she hurled spears and rocks of Typhon
as he climbed the mountain George the God's palace. She
also didn't miss the opportunity to mock the other gods
for fleeing like cowards. Maybe this was what kept Zeus
from escaping. I mean, if anyone had a reason to
fear Typhon, it would be him, right. But seeing his
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fiercely brave daughter standing alone on the cliff battling the
giant monster gave him the courage to join the flight.
Instead of flying away as a giant eagle, he landed
atop a near by mountain and began to hurl thunderbolt
of Typhon while Athena held him back. It was actually
a pretty good strategy. It's fantastic and I can hear
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now I'm talking. I'm like greeking out. I can't seem
to save my life. But they have a great little
like Catchy Diddy in the background. Um, we love grim Grimmer, Grimmace.
I've also never heard of this. Oh my gosh, Adam Gibwitz,
it's wonderful. Although your children are probably a little too young.
And Adam, I've never met him, but we listened to
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all this podcasts, so I feel like we're on a
first name base. You are absolutely I'm sure that he
would agree. Okay, great, Thank you Adam in the ether.
So Adam rates his podcasts like Grim Grimmer or Grimmace,
and there mainly Grim fairy tales, but they're not only
Grim fairy tales. There are others kind of from that era,
kind of the first fairy tales, and so the grim
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are often just sort of weird, and the grammar are
like weird and a little bit creepy, and the grammats
like lots of people die. Basically, do you want to
hear a grim fairy tin? You may think you know
grim fairy tales, but listen. Those are the cute little
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kid bedtime versions. The original stories aren't like that at all.
The door burst open and a tall, pale man dressed
all in black entered the room carrying a humongous head
of rotting cabbage. What what the heck? My kids love
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like animals and science, and so we do listen to
a lot of there's they're not really podcasts in the
way that like you have podcasts or in fact, but
a lot of the zoos do really wonderful kind of
like bite sized podcasts. You can listen to them on
the podcast platforms like the National Zoo or the San
(21:00):
Diego Zoo or the Cincinnati Zoo, will do you like
and today we're gonna tell you about pandas or today
like you're going to learn about frogs. I have like
a serious, um animal crush. If that's like not such
a weird thing to say. Is on Fiona, the hippo
I love so much. I've gotten to meet her twice
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and each time it's like this deeply meaningful experience that
my children appropriately make fun of me for, as does
my husband. He's like, you have a really strange relationship
with Fiona. I was like, how do I get to Cincinnati?
I know it's weird that it's the place that I
always want to go to the most, because then it's
not weird, not weird at all. Nope. Um, we follow
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all of them on social media, all the zoos, and
during the pandemic, they're little videos pretty much saved our life. Yeah,
So any other podcast that you want to recommend to anyone?
I think let's focus on the kids podcasts, Yes, give me,
give me more so. The National Geographic does Greeking Out
and then they have other kids podcasts. So I would
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recommend anyone who also is once more than like just
learning more about their local zoo to like look at
their whole kind of family of podcasts. We listen to
the Story Pirates same, which is so fun and also
I think so great for our children to kind of
hear them like the modeling of like, oh, we can
help create stories to like we can also be authors.
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We can also like invent a narrative. It's kids storytelling
improv in a way where they just they start with
an idea and then go kind of crazy with it
by the end of it. And it has also taught
my kids about how a story gets formed and how
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you can create characters and stories out of absolutely anything.
And they have some of the best guests, like every
best selling author and musician. They've had Lin Manuel Miranda
and John Oliver and Claire Danes On and they were
also fun fact Um winner of the I Heart Radio
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Award for the Best Family Podcast. So yes, big big
fan of Story Pirates. Over here, Another beautiful day, drink
it in Hayley. Hey, Peter, isn't it an incredible day?
The sun is shining, there's not a cloud in sight.
(23:35):
We're flying through the sky on a magical Viking slash
Pirate hybrid podcast. Chip. Everything's perfect. Someone did a good mood?
Who what? Who's in a good mood? You? Oh? Well
you should have said that. Uh what? Okay, somebody's confused?
Who you? I don't understand what's happening? Neither do I need.
(23:59):
We listened to four verr Ago. Oh, also a new
one for me? What is this one? It's a history
show and it is, you know, a family show that
really geared towards children. And it's like, you know, talks
about kind of history, but through objects often like umbrellas, oh,
or cameras. So fun. Yeah, I'm trying to think what
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else do they do? I'm looking at that right now.
They have a whole they have a whole episode on sandwiches. Yes,
what have we got for making a sandwich? Okay, looks
like tomatoes, bacon, mayo, mustard, swiss cheese, cheddar ketchup, pickles, ham, turkey. Wow,
we have it all awesome. I'm gonna make a b
(24:42):
lt me too. Let me just grab the bread. Ben
we don't have any bread. No, no, we can't have
a sandwich without bread. It's just a stack of food. Wait. No, no,
we don't need bread. We'll just we'll use books. See
a book which no, no, no shoes. Wait, banana peels
(25:05):
that will work, right, This isn't happening. This isn't happening.
Hold on, I found some bread in the freezer. Really yes,
let you say, oh no, wait, it's Risin bread. And
there you have it. Joy and Ben trapped at the
(25:27):
lunching hour without sandwiches in the hunger zone. So like,
there's just there's so many, like really great podcasts that
we listen to as a family, like over meals, like
on the weekends, like or while we're cooking, and then
we talk about them over meals, like while I'm cooking
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or my husband's cooking. We like listen to them and
then we talk about them while we're eating like lunch
or dinner. And so that's just a fun it's something
we do in our family. You have just given me
so much to listen to with my kids. Today has
been wonderful. I love this is this is the best
way to start my morning. I'm so happy that we
did this well. Joe, thank you for having me, and
thank you to everyone in the background. That's it for
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the pod Club. You should definitely listen to Chelsea and
listen to all of the Clinton's podcasts. It's good content.
Chelsea Show is called in fact with Chelsea Clinton, you
should definitely be binging all of our Women's History Month content.
And then there's also why am I telling you this?
With Bill Clinton? And You and Me both with Hillary Clinton.
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A quick recap of the show. As we talked about today,
we recommended fierce stories of women who change the world
and many many kids podcasts. We are going to do
a whole another episode on kids podcasts, but these these recommendations,
they're going to change my life. During long car rides,
we talked about Greeking Out, Grimm Grimmer, Grimaced, the San
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Diego Zoo and Cincinnati Zoo's audio content and story pirates,
and Forever Ago so much, so much to listen to
see you next week, my friends. The pod Club is
hosted by me Joe Piazza. Our executive producers are Me
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Again and Emily Marinoff. Our producers are Mary Do and
Darby Masters. Our associate producer is Lauren Philip. Our theme
and additional music was composed by Aaron Kaufman. Aaron Kaufman
is also our consulting producer and special thanks to Nikki
Tour he was just a wonderful human being who I
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