December 27, 2023 • 53 mins
On the latest NFL Players: Second Acts podcast, Peanut and Roman are joined by Jessie Armstead, 11-year NFL linebacker and current Assistant to the GM for the New York Giants. To start the conversation, Jessie recounts the story of how he was struck with a butcher knife during a fight when he was 12 years old. Jessie survived, stayed out of trouble, and went on to become one of the greatest high school football players of all time. He gives an inside look to what it was like being on the Dallas Carter team that was depicted in the blockbuster film “Friday Night Lights.” Jessie also talks about his time as a blue-chip prospect at the University of Miami, including how he introduced himself to Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson. While in the NFL, Jessie played for one of the all-time great NFL defenses with the Giants, and he talks about what it was like to play alongside Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor. Jessie also shares why what he did in Super Bowl XXXV that he believes would’ve changed the game if it had counted. Still a member of the Giants organization, Jessie sheds light into his day-to-day life working in the front office, and how he helps the next generation of players manage the expectations of the NFL. Get ready for a one-of-a-kind interview with the great Jessie Armstead.
0:00 – show open
1:17 - Jessie is introduced
2:46 - Jessie tells the knife story
7:19 - Jessie talks about the Dallas Carter High School team
10:24 - Jessie talks about the Dallas Carter legal issues
17:22.- Jessie talks about playing a University of Miami
23:26 - Jessie talks about getting drafted
27:51 - Super Bowl experiences
37:22 - Jessies discusses Joining the Giants front office
45:22 - Jessie’s welcome to the NFL moment
47:44 - Jessie’s best story from University of Miami
50:19 - Jessie’s personal Mount Rushmore
*NOTE: Time codes are approximate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, I'm Jess, So I'm saying New York Football Giants,
NFL Player Second Acts Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
What's going on? Peanut Tillman And welcome to the NFL
Player Segments Podcast And with me as always, I got
my I got my trusted advisor, my my, my, my
younger oldest brother. Ye Roman Harper here and welcome to
the show. What's up baby? I feel good. This is
gonna be a great day. It's gonna be a great us. First,
we start off with compliments. This just never happens. I'm
(00:42):
really excited about our guests this morning. Uh, because I
was a big fan that played with him with Madden.
I hadn't even mentioned that to him yet, but a
lot of years playing with this young man on Matten.
Go ahead, Yeah, so we're gonna dive right in. Let
me read some of the rests. Oh, I want to
make sure our listeners are out there, Hey, continue to
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right now, let's get this thing. So let me read
the bio. I gotta get back into the magic. Let's go.
Played eleven years in the NFL for the Giants and
now the Washington Commanders. Was an All Pro, made Pro
(01:24):
Bowl five times. He is in the New York Giants
Ring of Honor. He won a Super Bowl as a
member of the Giants front office. Now he's a special
assistant to the general manager. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Jesse Armstead to the show. All right, thanks for having me. Yeah, man,
I appreciate me in here. Hold on, I gotta be honest,
(01:46):
because just you're the first linebacker that I can remember
that were like a ninety number and was like ballin, ballin, ballin,
So like that's what really stood out to me. I
played with you for many years on the game, and
I was and now I'm in awe of you. I
didn't know your from Texas. I didn't know much about
you besides the game, and so this is really cool
just being in this moment, sharing this room with you
and getting to know you a little bit more after
(02:07):
we've done more research and backstory.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Absolutely, I'm glad to be here also, and Uh, I'm open.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But man, i'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'll tell you about myself whatever you want to know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And I appreciate that that I'm here, like the country
accident all that. Yeah, So I'm a I'm a Dallas
or excuse me, out of Dallas. I'm a ford Hood,
Central Texas, Belton, Wake, Old Temple Clean. I'm in that area.
That's that's those are my roots where I play some football.
So nothing like nothing, nothing like Dallas, Carter, of course,
but we will get to that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We go.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I got a whole Yeah, I got a whole
segment for that, because yeah, y'all was crazy. Y'all, y'all
was good. Damn y'all was good. So Jesse, let's take
it all the way back here. You're a young man,
You're you're grew up in like Oak Cliff, right, Yes,
is that correct? And uh you used to always you
guys would have some different things in Birdie Park, All right,
(03:00):
Bertie Park. You guys have a lot of action out there,
Fist the cuffs, going back, whatever it took, and your
brother will come and get you. Say, hey man, they talking,
let's go, let's go to handle this. And in one
of these days, one of these times. I guess you
guys are fighting and then next thing you know, a
butcher knife was thrown. A third person party came out
of nowhere. A butcher knife was thrown hit you in
(03:22):
the hip. It goes in. You're bleeding everywhere you go
inside the house, your grandma's house or your mom's mom
mom's house breaks off and now they got you. Gotta
have surgery and get this thing out. They say you
maybe not be able to walk, Like, just take us there,
this is amazing, this is crazy story for you to us. Yeah, yeah,
like how does all this happen? And let's take it
(03:43):
all the way back to Bertie Park for me and
just kind of walk us through everything that is Birdie Park.
And also that day, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Just got into it with these actually got into it
one brother and started fighting My first brother. Second brother
came outsides off fighting both of those guys, and then
the third you were winning, Yeah I went, but they
stacked once against me. When the third brother came out
and he was eighteen and he came out with the
knife and how old are you? And I was like eleven, twelven, twelve,
(04:14):
twelve twelve, and the oars came against me then, and
I tried to get away and he threw it and
went through me. And then they were trying to get
to me, and I just jumped on my motorcycle. I
got out of there and made it to the house.
Blood going everywhere, went in the house and I hit
off the bars. We got bars on the house, you know,
(04:37):
came through it and it broke off and had two
surgers later, you know, got it. I said, I have
a little limb, you know, for a little while, and
went on with a little limb. But then one day
I was sitting in the garage and the snake came
through the garage. I've been running every since that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just was talking about. Backup. You just said I
left when I was getting jumped, and you hopped on
your motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah, this is like I had a
dirt bike, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And I didn't know they had a third brother. He
was older, eighteen, and he came out and I caught
him out the corner of my eye, and he threw
it and it went through me. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I picture it and like this sounds like a
Hollywood movie, but you're only twelve years old doing all this.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I'm just glad. I'm just glad that I was
either in the shock or whatever, I don't know, to
make it because if it fall down and then they
got me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, fight or flight, Yes, that's all it was. So
how do you think that that situation helped transform you?
Like helps you out? Do you see things differently? Like
how did that like shape you?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It just shaped me to a point where you know,
you know, I'm always fight to the end, always, no
matter what the circumstances. And I always carried that attitude
with me no matter what and still got it today.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah. Man, if if you ever see somebody chasing me,
I would go eat. I would gladly go on a
fight with you knowing what you just did. Yeah yeah,
yeah right, my god, just knowing you're paying tolerance like
mentally has that just like kind of taking you to
other place Like, look, it doesn't matter what happens, what
situation I am, there is no stopping, there is no going.
I mean, I mean I've ran and been on the
(06:22):
dirt bike with a knife out in my head like yeah,
I'm not trying to be funny, but true, that's real.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I'm just I'm Billfitning thing, you know, Uh fortune,
I played in the National Football League, like, uh all
my career never missed a game, you know, never never
missed a snap. Uh so uh fortunately that way, uh
will hurt many times.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But yeah, how that go. I do pack up and
keep going. I still won't to talk about high school
because I'm sure you guys are like, it's the mill,
It's Mill of Texas, so it's got to be way hot.
That's when I guess water was you know for weaklings? Correct, sure,
absolutely it gets water.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like you saw, you don't get no water, you know,
and then a sudden you water out. You know, so
water you did not get water. You're in the heat
of the day and doing the hardest time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
All right, So what was it like to play on
that that Dallas Carter team nineteen eighty eight probably considered
to be one of the not the greatest football team
ever assembled? And like kind of take us back to
what it was like to be on that and and
uh what was that even like being did you even
realize how good you were at the time? And for
(07:36):
those that don't know, let's give them a little bit.
That's what the movie Friday Night Lights. Let's give some
context of that, Dallas Permian was the one that they
showcased in the movie Odessa. So yeah, and versus you guys,
sorry and thank you, put but they actually football. Yeah,
you guys actually won the game. Oh absolutely. So oft
(08:00):
from the same neighborhood. We didn't do no recruiting like
they do nowadays, or guys come from all over. We're
the same neighborhood, a bunch of guys that we started
as freshman's. I went to Carter High School not for
football because of right in my back door.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I played basketball. And one day I'm just starting at
the fence, looking at the cheerleaders, down at the calicoes
and checking the my downd the coach. Everybody, get down,
what position do you play? I looked the guy next
to me, say play lineback. I said, I play linebacker.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I mean, so that's how I got started, you know,
freshman or freshman year. And I got lucky.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I got I got a wife at that deal because
she was down at the being a calico. And then
I got football and my first time really being official
football player. I played one year in the eighth grade
and then in the ninth grade, I came to Carter
high school and then got on the freshman team, and
then my sophomore year, I was no.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
One player in the nation, no doubt, and I was
going to tell that. So he hit.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Instantly number one player, and they saw I been in
my whole career like on top. So from high school. Uh,
then we went on my senior year and we went
on and we won a state championship and we had
we had great talent on that team.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So you were three times. He's a three time All
American in high school. I want to let everybody all
sophomore year and he had just started playing. Sophomore year
All American, junior year, All American, You're all kinds of magazines,
and then senior year, you are pretty much the number
one player in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Number one play in the country. My sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Get it right, Roll, get it right.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Roll's social media, social media.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That did you have in one game? That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, my senior, my senior FA with three hundred tackles,
uh and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Twelve playing X man football teams three hundred, Well, they
wouldn't have made it. They wouldn't made a movie out
of six man football team five eight.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
The biggest there is in yes state of Texas, so
you know, but you know, unfortunately I had a lot
of good players that were in the neighborhood that had
Derek Evans, who was knowing dB in the nation also
on that team. They were going to University of Tennessee.
And unfortunately the other part of our story is that, Yeah,
I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, that
was a big part of it. We all went the
(10:28):
state championship.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And then.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know, we all started out young, you know, I
mean we we always gambled, did everything what you do
in the hood, you know, they we did that. And
I went to Juvenile my freshman year. Uh, and I
taught to guys. You know, we always shopp live and
we didn't have to. You know, that was something we
were doing. Shopli make a little money and we shipped
(10:53):
there with gamble and and this stuff carried on later on,
and uh year guys came, Uh we graduated, we finished school,
and we didn't we hadn't graduated. But they turned around
and came with deal. They wanted to do the arm robbery.
And I said, man, I've been juvenile twice. I'm thinking juvenile.
(11:16):
And I said, now, I'm not getting no more trouble.
I told him, Mom, I'm not getting no trouble. I'm
not doing nothing. I'm clean. And they were like, he's
selling out. You know, he's supposed to be with us,
you know. I said, I just said, I'm not doing it.
And they went on and they did a few times,
and one day I went to the head coach and
(11:36):
I said, man, I want to holler at you. And
he was like, what you want to talk about? And
we were rolling. I said, no, nothing, That's what I
talked about. Son else and he's still today. Freddy James
is eighty three years old. He'll tell you this story.
And I was like, no, no, no, I want to
talk to you about and you know what I think
about today. I could have told it right now. Yeah,
(11:58):
but if I told her I've been a snitch the hood.
But I would have saved them. Yeah, but none of
them would have liked me from that point on. I
was in the Catch twenty two and you were too
scared to do it or you didn't want to do it,
but now you want to sit on everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So I was in a bad predictment, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I still regretted both ways today because I know Gary
would be in the NFL. I know Derek would have
been in the NFL. Derek going to the University of Tennessee,
UH number one dB. That's how they wound up getting
I can't think of the other cornerback real good that
went to Tennessee. But then Gary were going to University
of Houston. Yeah, Carlos, we're going to Ohio I think.
(12:40):
And these guys going all over week.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, it's crazy. Everybody's getting scholarships. Like back then with
scholarship and recruiting was a lot different too. You had
to really watch yeah, yeah, you really had had to recruit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And then the sad part about it was that, you know,
he went into the UH in the courtroom and we
all had you know, they were young, and everybody had
the same lawyer. So what they did they brought everybody
in the same change game. So it had like thirteen
all change done on jumpsuit. Them say we was a game.
We wasn't either, no game. We didn't know nothing about
no games and we're from Texas. Games were back and
(13:14):
probably in LA back then, we didn't understand what games were.
But they said it was a gang, and they tried
everybody together and wound up getting dig them like eighty
years in prison, seventy years in prison. And then it
was messed up because you shouldn't have never gave nobody
no eighty years that had full scholarshure. Yeah, they made
mistakes as adult. Now I'm a dud. There's no way
(13:35):
that you should have been let that happen to young
men's like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And turn around, they were railroaded.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And then when the new governor came into Texas, he
granted them clemency to get out after six years or
five years whatever the year was not for sure, but
you know, it was messed up the whole depth, and
it messed up by them. So not taking nothing away
from what happened, because I all been fit upset, that's
what my mom getting.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Was there a firearm involved with it?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was firearm involved in it, you know,
but not taking nothing away from none of this. Now,
yeah it was all wrong, But you get someone eighty years,
you get somebody seventy years, you get somebody sixty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Years, right, you know, they're trying to prove a point.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They were being railroaded all the way because they were
pissed off a BYuT the state championship all that stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Then they held you'll they try to hold you back.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And if you go look at you look at what
Carter loss. It's a thirty for thirty. What Carter loss?
It shows live footage or how to judge was so
arrogant when he said this, Yeah, and you see live footage,
so it's nothing that no one can say, Oh, they
didn't say this when it's live footage, and thirty for
thirty did a great job showing it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, does it piss you off that in the movie
Friday Night Lights that they showed Carter losing the game.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now they actually showing them losing. If you look at it,
they know they make it where we're in the uh
semi finals plan when we played in the state championship,
So they act like they playing us in the state championship.
We beat them in a semi final, gotcha, uh? And
sir Hollywood, they had the money and they had the back,
and so they can do anything they want to do
(15:14):
in Hollywood, you know, because that's part of it. But
the true thing was that they took that whooping and
everybody else took that whooping and they can't take that back.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, So I like that they came back.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I asked for the you know, the championship rings and
the trophies. You have all the stuff. You can't take
the whooping. They couldn't get it back. And everybody was
locked up and they had their own stuff. They never
got that stuff back, but they can't take.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That jesse Man, Number one, I appreciate you always keeping
the receipts. Number one. I can tell your passion behind
a lot of these men that actually end up going
to jail. Seems like really great friends of yours. You
grew up together. Yeah, and so you and I can
I feel the resentment in your words, like man, like
I really feel like I could have possibly helped when
(16:00):
I didn't say something to coach, and you really are
double sided on that, Like I feel you how did
that whole moment change your outlook on life? Like being
able to let people in? Did it really help you?
Did it put up walls? Like what did that do
to you as a young man, knowing that how close
you were to one of the biggest decisions and maybe mistakes,
(16:21):
possibly that you didn't make in your life.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
First of all, I know I had to represent from
that point on, more represent you know, Dallas, represent cardon
that name. I always home, followed me more than anything.
And then on top of that, I went to school.
I wanted to be a FBI agent. I wanted to
be a lawyer. I made sure it won't be in
law because I knew that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What happened.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I graduated in three years. It forced me to graduate
in three years. Yeah, because my thing was that you
cannot let nothing like that happen. It was should have
been somebody around the country, somebody came in and did something,
and no one did anything, you know, and everybody sat back.
You know, no one Today people will speak up, but
(17:02):
back then, everybody kind of set back and just say, oh,
just let whatever happens happen. And uh so I got
my degree in three years from the universe Miami. I
never went home for the summertime, and I stayed in
school and I grind. I got it done, you know.
And you know, when I'm passionate about something, I do it.
You know I'm gonna do it. You kill me.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Now, do you think there was like any similarities by
you going to the University of Miami, so we can
we can just say people look down on Carter just
because young black kids, right, Like that's that's no secret.
But then you go to the University of Miami and
I mean it was just like whooping foods day in
and day out, blowing blowing cats out. They were like
(17:43):
I was in the heat of it, Like do you
see was there like a similarities? Like man, this this
feel like I'm back in high school, Like we we're
the bad boys. Everyone everyone looking down on us, but
like we we beating out of everybody. Yeah, is there
some similarity to that I went to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I went to different university and visit them, But when
I've been to the Universe Miami, it was like CARTI
of high school.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So I went from one school to next school. And
when I got to the University Miami, and they challenged
me before I got there. They challenged me when I
walked in the doors. Only you recruit somebody. They were like, man,
you know one playing the country. We don't thank you
about nothing, Like bro, I'm yeah, yeah, dude, Yeah, I'm
the dude.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I got intour with a few guys. Then they were like,
oh he don't come back here. I'm signing here. I'm
coming back here, and I'm gonna be and I'm gonna
be the starter here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You know. I'm warning number one as I came in.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I got number one, and I came in, I did start,
and I became the best linebacker at the time in
college football heading that right direction. Tore my knee up,
and then when I tore my knee up, and then
I came back and tore my should up, so my
whole right side was totally reconstructed. And uh, everybody that
laughed at my jokes back then, they want to laugh
(18:56):
at my jokes. I was by myself, but I've been in,
I been, I come from the hood, So yeah, I
was down in the bottom by myself, you know, and
go for the universe minding. Everybody turned it back on me,
you know. Uh, they sent me to the doctor's hospital,
go get therapy over there, and not at the facility
Wherebells got treatment at. I did what I had to
do when I come back and I got my starting
(19:18):
position back.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
When I got to the Universe Miami, when when it happened,
they brought in another linebacker and his name was Robert bass,
never forget, never forget, never loved. And so they when
he came in, they said, universe, mind me found a
line back to replace Jesse. And I said, you know what.
(19:43):
He was at the facility. I said, let me go
see this. You know, guy, I bet he's not nothing
I can get over on my crutches. And when I
went in there, he looked like a real linebacker. I
got depressed. I lost tim. So I come back into
the spring game and I'm like, well, I guarantee you
(20:04):
just looked like they can't play, you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Song going out there, he's like wam wam. I said, whoa,
My good cracking skulls.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Cracking sculls out there. I said, whoa. So the media
come to me like what you're going to do? You
know about your positions. Well, if I'm at seventy percent,
I guarantee I get my job back. So that was
a big deal. Just say if he's seventeen percent, he
would be the starter. I came back, I got my
job and he went my backup.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But why he wound up getting drafted before I got drafted.
But that's how life worked.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That is life work. Talking about the draft do you
know that in nineteen ninety three year draft was the
last draft with eight rounds? Did you realize that? And
not only that on top of a peanut, but was it,
mister irrelevant at the time, did you get that because
you were you were just the last guy? So when
did they start to miss the relic because you missed
(20:56):
on that? Yeah, you missed on the parade.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Now you're right on seven round But to gave everybody
extra pick that year, But what it was some rounds
everybody extra pick because first year of free agency, so
gave everybody the eighth round. That's how they gave that
extra pick. I didn't know all this. I realized that later.
I'm glad you're teaching us, though you know it was
seven rounds in the friends, you're a freigen so to
(21:20):
get everybody extra pick, and that's how I wound up
getting picked with that the eighth pick from the Giants.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, and if they want to have that, you've
probably just been a free agent or the undrafted. He
would have been good, though a lot he used to
being by itself obviously, so I think that's kind of
like your superpower though, like with somebody. So you can't
do something just like all right, I'm I can't do
it manifested, I'm gonna keep these receipts and you go
out there and you just ball and you just you
(21:46):
kill it. I figured that that's your story. Yeah, no,
you're right. It has been my story and I figured
it out. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, that's one thing I look at all of us.
You know, you look at the guys that's successful in
life regardless, they'll figure it out, you know, and by
just competitive, you're figure anything out.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Now, what was it like when you were at the
University of Miami when you saw the Rock? Was it
Was there anything special about him? Did you? Was it
was it like, oh yeah, this's gonna be pretty good,
or it's just like man, whatever he ain't ain't gonna
be nothing. Did you Did you even notice him? Was
it a thing?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You Rock can tell the story that he noticed me.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
In the show The Young Rock, the guy that plays you.
Did you really say that to him? I was? I was.
I was a dumb when that camera You mean, the
nice side of me, I'm a good change man, I
would have got you know, you like me? You don't
hate me? You know according to the movie. I mean
(22:48):
on the show you said, uh, he said, oh, you're
the starring linebacker. You're like, no, I'm I'm d number
one linebacker in the country. That's how you introduce yourself.
I mean you corrected me earlier, So I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Exactly what it is, I am number one line back
in the country, number two, number two. I can say
I've been number I've been number two before. Nobody remember
number two. I played in the Super Bowl, lost it.
I don't remember the number two. Remember number one? The
best linebackers were number one. I'm not number one.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I love that. So what was it like when you
finally got drafted in the eighth round and you got
to play? I mean your rookiear was Lawrence Taylor's. Uh
that was his last year? Now was that? Was my
interpretation is when I got in the league, we still
had like those old school vets to where hey they
had super vets back in the day, Hey go tell
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Jesse to give me something to eat. Could they didn't
even talk to rookies, so I can only I'm imagining,
but this is our theory. This is my theory, is
that he didn't even talk to rookies. LT.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Lawrence like did he Yeah, who's all in that linebacker
room because we had uh l T had uh Pepper Johnson, Ok. Yeah,
people of the Dog now yeah you had. We got
in Michael Brooks, he came out of Denver. We paid
him all that money that year. He came in and
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he's a beast man. Michael Brooks. He came out of
L s U and with Denver and yeah, I mean
you were talking about the toughest line bake. You want
to face a tough And then he had Carton Bailey
came from off the Buffalo team. You know, we just
let Banks had just left him went to Cleveland with.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Uh uh yeah, it'll come here, It'll come to me. Yeah.
So so we had a room, we had a we
had a stack room.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We had some young linebackers in there also, and we
were sitting probably like fifteen deep when I was there
at linebackers, and the guy got in, you know, and
with my opportunity ever come because when I get to
the third thirteen and when we get to fourteen, drill
over with you know, so I'm not never gonna get
to show myself at all, you know what I mean?
And I was real small, you know, I wasn't a
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conventional linebackers. I was two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,
and I could just run. But we had linebackers two
hundred and sixty pounds that was grown ass men still,
and the game was different.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah. Bill Belichick was the coach. Yeah, I don't know how.
I don't know how we forget about that because it's
time in Cleveland. That's why we're not at all about it. Yeah,
it was a blur. It was all so that was
back when like you had like a like real like
real deal sam linebackers. You played on the weak side, yeah, obviously,
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and where you really made your hay at. I just
think it's so amazing. At what point you you played
special teams the first couple of years and then when
did you get your first real break and cracking like okay?
And then from here on it was it was all
set and stone. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I was running covering everybody at practice and either LT
and Michael Brooks and like, hey man, they got put
a young dude in man, put them somewhere. And so
what they did they created me, put me in the slot.
So I was a nickel cover guy. Oh, so people
don't realize that. You look at it if people looking
ninety three and I covered the slot, and I was
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used to come the slot because of the universe minment.
I never came out I'll cover the slot. So it
was just come a thing to me when I got there,
but everybody was amazed. I'm like, shoot, man, you see
the receivers. I had to come and slot. I had
nightmares sitting there here in college. But make a long story, shrug.
I get there and I started playing everything. I had
to go to special team because that was an opportunity,
and they wanted somebody to go down Scott team and
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give him a look. And I kept going down, kept
going down, and finally they put them in the game.
And that's when a lot of success happened for me
on special teams. And I was so good on special
team they they wanted to always keep me there. Yeah,
and then I loved Joe. Joe was a great special
team dec Miller. He was a special team coach and
went on and won him to Super Bowl. Real good
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special team coach. But I decided that I want to
be a starter. After I got the starting position and
I could lead Joe for that one guy, and I
still start on any spect team and doing that. Eventually
John's like, na, yeah, I got we gotta cut him off.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
See that another guy that started on defense and plays
special teams. He's talking about himself. Yeah, that was not
special teams start. It's like special team dogs. I don't
know about this. I'm honest, honest, I'm honest. And because
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it's hard though, I think if you play special team,
let me just look at the camp when I say this,
all right, when you play special teams, you better do
it young because you can't do it not play special
team and didn't do it late. It's like a young
man's game. You need to get baptized early in it.
And you're yeah, we're gonna take a short break and
we'll be right back. Jess. I got to know this,
and I feel like I know your answer the more
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and more we've spoken to you. But I want to know.
In Super Bowl thirty five, you had to pick six
that got called back. The score was just seven to
nothing at the time in the second quarter. Does that
pick change the whole outlook of that game with you
guys in the Giants possibly to win it, versus like
what happened at the end of the end result being
thirty four to seven.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, if you look at it, it would have changed
the game because now they have to play an on
this game. And they never scored again on our defense.
We go through the game. Everything else was the interceptions
and the kickoff return and everything like that. They didn't
scored to the end of the game. When the game
was over with the last punched the ball in. But
they had a great defense. They had a number one defense.
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We had a number two defense, you guys. But they
stood up to the mat. They stood up and they
challenged our offense, and offense.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Didn't sure they have a great day. They didn't have
a great day, and they came out on top. It's crazy, though,
because first of all, that suit bow thirty five as
were referencing Baltimore versus versus the New York Giants, and
the Giants actually see that. You're going back to it.
I really thought Minnesota was gonna win in the NFC
Championship game. So your guys offensively, just play lights out.
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Oh they played light out, and the defense gave us
zero points.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know, like you play together, you know, and that's
how it happened, you know, and and you know we
had that was when you have two weeks in between
the Super Bowl. I'm not saying we calm, we similar
down or nothing like that. We went into there in
the Super Bowl felt like that we won't win that game.
And hey, you know I coached it. We had a
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good approach, but I don't We had to approach a
just play the game, and they had to approach that
we won't go out, we'll draw ourself and we won't
play the game and won't win the game.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So they had the mentality and we didn't match that
mentality when the game time came.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Who was that quarterback Trent Yeah, Baltimore, Baltimore, Yeah, yeah,
in the state. Yeah yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's one thing that you know, you sit back and
you say, uh, those things that you regret, you know
deep down inside. You know, I was very fortunately you
know one two NAS championship, I lost one. And you
still you start looking back when you get to a
certain agent life like man, I blew that, I blew that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
H don't look at me, don't don't do not even
look at me, do not even next I'm insults all day.
So I lost to I'm own too in my super Bowl. Yeah,
so I'm just like, I know we're family in that
kind of situation, I don't want to bring that up.
I'm still talking about it. So then when we do
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we do these shels, do these podcasts at super Bowl,
He's always just like, well, I'm good, I got my ring,
I'm good, and then he throw it in my face
because I never want a super Bowl. It's just like, man,
it's really sounded like a hit dog holler situation right
now because I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, he gave me a look, I'm on your side.
He's another shining I want one. I got I got
to on the other side. But that's on the other side.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So when I wear you know, I wear my rings
when I wear them, but it's not like that one
that he got on there. You know, it's different. Let
me ask this, after losing one as a player and
winning one in the front office, I want to I'm sorry,
excuse me, winning two in the front office. How does
that feel? I feel?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You know, I feel great, you know what I mean?
I feel great, But uh, I can imagine how I
would feel as a player. As a player, you know. Uh,
And that's why you know, I never want to be
in that situation again. If I hate to be in
that situation, even if I'm in the front office. Don't
lose it. I know how it feels to lose it,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So this is a perfect tell us, tell us bew
I feel you know, he want to trust me.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
He does, he does.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
He got that quietness of them like I got some
I got something to tears comes down, stop crying, I say.
Tried to bring it up. Try not to bring it up.
I tried to. First of all, it does feel great.
All I wanted when I went to Carolina with these guys,
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I wanted them to have that same feeling because I
knew what it felt like. And so when you you
have that locker room, those brothers, and you've been to
the top the pinnacle and you win it, and you know,
and I'll be honest with you, Jesse, it was the
first time I'd ever been in that meeting where the
coach has nothing to say and it's something to be
said about that, like, oh no, we did it. When
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there's nothing it's just pure Outlandi's joy. You get to
share this moment and for real, like you walk with that,
you walk with that team forever, like we're brother. The
same thing when you said about Dallas Carters, like they
can't take that whooping, Like they can't take that back.
And no matter what they say, no matter what they
try and point fingers at, you have that to go
along with you forever. And that's like the you know,
that's after your dash, you know what I'm saying, when
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you when you die or whenever. It's like Roman Harper
super Bowl Champion, d like that's part of me forever.
And I don't put on the peanut.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Low's that's if you want to put it over there
that I would say, lead off with it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You know I wouldn't lead off, you know what I'm saying.
But other than that, though, it's you always say this.
I want this question though because you want you have
two super Bowl rings. But from your voice, from your
what I'm hearing is that it's just different. And so
is it better to have loved and lost or not
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have loved at all? Meaning would you rather never have
gone or go and lose and never go back. I'd
rather been there because I had a chance at the fight.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You know, you know and I've been at the fighting
from high school winning championship, to win in two national
championship and to be at the fight at the biggest
arena you could be in in the Superlow.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And that day I didn't win in the biggest arena.
And I normally win in the big arena, and that
was one time I didn't. Uh so So, from high
school to college, then you get to the league, was
there a difference? Were you nervous when you got to
that Super Bowl? He was like no, man, I'd have
done this, Damnar like three times. Was there any nerves
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or was this like nah, we got this. I got this.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I was never nervous from from high school to college
or college from the pros I been. People don't realize
I've been on top of my whole life. So it
was nothing that you want to show me. And the
only thing I have done wrong is that one time
they had Eugene Lock called the hitting Machine or Dallas
Cowboys linebacker, and they had him in the restaurant and
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this is one thing I did wrong, And they were like, Jesse,
Eugenie is back there. I'm like, well, I'm here, you
know what I mean. I was high school then, yeah,
but that was I wish a high school kid would
had that mentality of a pro athlete that's in the building.
He had an attitude. You don't have that attitude. And
that's one thing that I always ate me up and
insign that. I'm like, how would you sit up there
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and think that you that damn good? This man is
a professional athlete and you sitting there, butter think they
should come see you, you know, because they Michael Irving,
you had Steve Diassi. They used come to see me
playing high school and I wind up playing with Steve
Dissi later on, you know what I mean. And so
they used come to the uh to the pep Rillies
and stuff like that, and they want to see me
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play in high school. So you had that mentality thing
that you had a certain kind of level in your mind. Yeah,
but no, you're just in high school, bro, you know,
he been professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's funny, Like the one thing, like, dude, I have
a grip of regret and it's all the way back
to high school because I was just too much about me. Yeah, yeah,
come off so humble. Now, I would have never guessed
it like that was who you were then. Yeah, versus
how like you said, you've changed it. If you talk
to my wife, she said she hated me then.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Shared in college and she literally got the pro cub
became a whole different person, you know what I mean?
You know, maybe the things you had, you know, like
I got success so early, you know, and had all
the way through. And most people normally get it in
the pros or they get it in college. Yeah, I
had it from day one and my first put on
park cliques, you know. Yeah, and normally don't happen like that.
That's not And I rode the wave too. I rode
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the real hard.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So when you retired, you played fifteen or sixteen games,
you had six and a half sacks, you had one
hundred tackles, and then you end up retiring and you
I mean what it on paper it looked like you
had a really good season. What do you think led
you to retire? Well?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I actually went to Carolina and a very interesting conversation
told me I wasn't going to be a starter. I
want they had a young guy where and that I
won't to be.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
His backup.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I believe in letting everybody could pete for a job. Yeah,
and I'm not saying that I was better than him
at the time, but don't put me in a box.
And so after they put me in that box and
I heard my boicep, I said, you know what, I
just had a surgery. And I had a surgery and
then I just said I'm done.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay. Now, how long after did you you, like take
time off before you transitioned into being the special assistant
to the GM.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know what, it's hard when you lead a game
of football, you know, if you really love the game
of football, and it's just so hard something that you've
been doing all your life. And it took me a
year and a half. Actually, John's called me back a
year later in two thousand and six for me to
come back for the playoff game and they were going
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to sign me in the front office and they were happy,
but Tom Kaufman and I can't think of the defensive
coordinator name. They didn't want to have nothing to do
with me because they just had to deal with straight
hand going against Tom and all this kind of stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
They can't bring in the most super vets. We can't
take it no more. Yeah, So they were like they
didn't want to and so they didn't sign me, and so.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Mister Marl, actually, you know, they all offered me an
opportunity to be with the team, and you know you're
still in the inside. I'm like Noah. And then later
on I decided yes, and they brought me back in
two thousand and seven, and everything else is history from
that point on.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
So what did you do to stay busy while you
were away for like, yeah, thirteen fourteen months?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You know from the game, you know, can you play golf?
No golf of me, No golf for me, man, my passion.
I'm tired of all your athletes.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I can't play on golf. Man, I'm not that good,
but I love it. I don't have the patience, you know.
You know I do charity events because you know I
have out the charity. But after I sit there like
nine holes, I'm like a kid.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Then you mad at my spirit animal?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right, I start doing things I'm not supposed to be doing,
talking on the phone and be like, come on, man,
bro y'all come to my game.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Are y'all fuss talking about me? Boom me and everything else?
And you can't hit a little ball? Come on, man,
So I spent I spend time with my family, you know,
and one thing I wanted to do it to have
opportunity where I always can have time to raise up
my kids, because I already took away from their life
with the football part. And so my thing was that
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I want to have an opportunity where I still could
be with the kids and everything else and help put
in my work at the house and did my thing.
And they came to Jersey and they wound up graduating
from high school in Jersey and wind up going off
to college and graduate from college. And now it's my
free time to focus on whatever I want to focus
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on and keep improving that the New York Giants kids
you have, I have two daughters.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I have one Jail.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
She graduated from TCU and wind up going to New
York at LA Film Academy in Burbank and now she
just graduated and trying to get into writing and production
and everything else. My other daughters she graduated from North
Texas and she into fashion design, and you know, and
now it's just me with extra time my wife, and
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you know, she looked for me to go on to
something else, and I'm just gonna keep working at Johnson
and I'm gonna make sure to get that train back
on track.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Well, talk about getting the train back on track. Are
you involved in any of the draft process? I know
you guys drafted a Cavon Thimbadeau last year in the
first round. I think he's actually called him an apex
predator when he was in college because he has that
type of ability. Just what's your involvement with upstairs? And
do you ever help with the draft process and over
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the years who you fell in love with, if you
have and who you be? Like, man, I didn't see
the questions. I just want to kind of like take
him in direction. Can't ask seven questions. Bro, just asked
him like one, I'm taking him in the whole direction.
I wanted to spitball at all. Go yeah, well you
know when you start.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I also work with the day to day players, you know,
and trying to actually help them anything they need to
know in any kind of way. Sometime they run a
problem they they can't figure out and they want to
run by a big bro.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
They call, you know, and I talked to him.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But and for as a draft process, I started getting
involved in the draft process a little more each year.
And either when you just brought up Tipodeau, a lot
of people in Thibodeau's coming out just questioning was he
gonna be there for football or he won't be there
for the would come with football, the fame and the
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off the field stuff. But I looked at a guy
like Tipe though that was kind of like myself. He
was a top rated player. He was top rated in
the high school, got to college same way. And if
you people don't realize, if you watch a person when
they younger, they don't be consistent who they are when
they get older. And he still had that pedigree and
I look at him, still have that pedigree now, and
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he just got the one thing. You got to keep
stay focused and block out everything and work hard. You
can't never sit back and take a deep breath, because
you never can take that deep breath, not in New
York City. New York wants you to perform every week.
And that's why people want to say, what's so different
about New York Because you have a one week next week,
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they expected some great out of you. So that's one
thing why players don't make it in New York City.
And that's one thing that he got to stay focused
on plan and performing every week.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Okay, that's a great that's a great concept. I always
think it's so hard to play new and you think, like, oh,
it's just the media, but like you said, it's like no,
it's the pressure to perform week after week after week
at the highest level because like, once you see it,
we don't forget it. Yeah, yeah, in New York like that.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I mean, that's one thing that I'm well respecting New
York because I gave him everything I had. And one
thing about when they came in, when they seen that
number ninety eight, they knew that that was going to
be there every Sunday for you. And he don't give
everything he got, win, lose a draw. You go home
that night and say, hey, he gave it to us
that night, you know. And that's how I look at
I tell all players that come through New York, give
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them what you got. If you give it to him,
they'll reward you in a long term. And I've been
rewarded to be able to be with one of the
greatest teams all my life.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, one more last question for me, did you
want to the last question? Did you miss out on
your timing? Because like now that people can wear whatever
number they want, you didn't get to wear number.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
One, No, because you know why I wasn't changing because
when I was in high school, I went number forty six.
They just gave me a number because I was nothing.
And I put on that number and I made it
to be in the number one line back in the
nation that year. Right then I got so cocky, I said,
give me that number one. And I get that number one.
I had two career indie injuries. Right I get to
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New York, they say, hey, get that number over that.
I'm like, dat man, I think hendy, say, don't worry
about you want me here much longer?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know? And so every time I handed something, I
made it to be come pretty good. When I chose
that number one, I had heck on my hands, those myths.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
So yeah, like it's funny how you weave that methodis
it's like your own interpretation is like, yeah, because I
picked it, it's bad. Look now, no, someone just got
to give it to you. Super assistant said, players go
through on game days. Oh my god, yeah, I have
my own super little resity kept He kept too, like,
oh you ain't gonna be here long. Yeah, okay, I
got you.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, I still know the guy who told me that
he still working the Giants. I don't want to call him,
you know, I know, you know, I know.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Oh man, that's funny. So let's transition to like when
you first got in the league. What was your welcome
to the NFL moment when you got there? We all
you know it, whether it be a hit, whether it's
you know, taking linebackers out to dinner, something in practice, something,
maybe a coach said something to you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Just you know, you had to stand on the chair,
you know, you had to say what school you're from? Yeah,
and put your hand on your heart and say what
your signing bonus was. And so I had to stand
in front of everybody and no big deal. Whatever I
believe in, whatever you're supposed to do, I'm gonna do. Yeah,
you know I did what Howard Cross called names. You know,
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I'll see you big Howard Howard a big, big tight end.
He said, Oh, where school you come from?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I said, Universe minment. He said, didn't you just get
whooped the nut championship? And everybody?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
So I said, hey man, but my first year, I
got my first ring when I whooped you. You wanted
to fight me then and it just came.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Out, you know, you know, so they so they they
were after me then, you know what I mean, the
tight end, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
And so they were like, all right, you know, and
so now they always after me. I'm small, okay. So
we go to practice and Derrick Brown was coming across
and they alway after me. I must have tried to
decapitate him and he laid on the ground. I laid
on the ground like I was knocked out. Tode you
laid down. He was the first run Drift Truss, I
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know the name.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I laid down like I just man, boy, that was
a big time. I said, Oh, I am all right,
I just cutting me, you know, take take it in
you know the locker room.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
So I'm like, I'm just trying to make sure I
don't get cut.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
That's when the older guys that were like dapping me
up and they kind of brought me across. Then, you know,
I say, pretty tough. That's a great well that would
be the best one I heard. But I just I
was playing there like I heard too, when you get cut, Yeah, yeah,
I just laid there. You go, yeah, I'm good. Oh
(47:34):
my god, would be the best one I've ever heard.
Oh my god, that's the one. All right. I want
you to tell me. You just talked about bragging about
winning championship at Miami. What is tell me a story
or something that sums up your time at Miami, at
the Universe of Mimmy at that time too. Of course
(47:54):
I could have been there. I'll tell you what. There's nobody.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I know, guys work out and train. It's nobody to
train and compete like guys at the Universe Miami. We
went at each other like like games was easy, you
know what I mean. We challenged each other. Ex players
come back, you know, Mike, all of them come back,
Melvin Braddon. You start looking guys to come back. They
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get challenged by the college kids, you know what I mean.
You know, we want to compete against them.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
It wasn't like, oh he's in pro No, when you
step on that field, we all go at each other,
you know, And that was the atmosphere around there. You
know what your brother next, you could do and you
had his back, he had your back, and that's how
we rolled no matter where we went, you know. Uh,
and that's why we got in trouble together.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
We won together. You know, we want Scared to get
in on trouble and we want Scared to win. You know,
that's a great point. I got friends that went to
you and when we won a super Bowl, not trying
to bring that back up. We practiced at you guys's facility.
And when I got there, because that always heard about
do you do you do you? And then I get that,
I was like, bro, this place is just alright, Like
(49:05):
the facility was not, and it was. And then my
man Bilma was like, no, bro, it's really about the people. Yeah,
it's the people here that make it special. The guys
that come back, the guys that represent the you. It's
all about the players that thing. Yeah. So when we
Super Bowl forty, not at your facility as well. And
(49:26):
then there's like the I guess the rope that you
couldn't walk over to you yeah or whatever this new thing.
Yeah okay, but it was just like I remember Devin
was someone says something that was like, hey man, I
swear to God, do not walk on like it was
like it was like a carpet. It was the emblem
or whatever. And I was just like, oh, y'all, y'all,
well I remember they said that it was it was
like an old brown couch and the players locker room, like, bro,
(49:48):
what's up? Like they were like, dude, like there's so
many fights that's been happening here, Like you challenge casting? Like, bro,
you take it. We had real fights.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, it's not like you know, like like if you
want to challenge somebody, that's a real fight, you know
what I mean. It's not we don't back down, you
know what I mean, Like guys do all this talking
and stuff like that, and we're not like that. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, they don't like you won't go at it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So yeah, yeah, well look I think that's it. J
just well, I got let's get out here. On the
question we always ask, oh, Mount Rushmore, if you had
to pick four people that have had a very good
influence in your life, mom, dad, bro, whoever, anybody you
(50:29):
want a name, who would those four people be? Be?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
My mom? My dad?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
All right? Tell us why?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well my mom because she stopped in ninth grade, not
graduate high school.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Two kids.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Had kids fifteen fifteen. They had me at eighteen, and
I can't handle kids, and I'm a grown man. I
don't know how they did. But she survived with two boys,
you know. And then uh, my daddy, he was a
street dude, you know what I mean. He found a
way to take care of us and did what a
man had to do sometime. I understand, But as a
(51:12):
grown man, I understand now, you know, and so I
respect him tremendously on that deal. Uh, he's not here
no more. But hey, I'm just liking you know what
I mean, And go get her, put him.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
In a field.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
We'll figure it out. And then uh be my wife.
We've been together since with fourteen, you know. So Uh
she the scene up down and she been by me.
Ain't no and nothings been to make her leave, you know. Uh,
and didn't be my brother.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
So my brother's considered my best friend. Uh I call
him now no matter where I'm at, he's coming, you know.
So you got to deal with two of us now
he three or five, six of us too.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You got to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
I like it. Well, look just hey, thanks for coming
on the show man, appreciate you. I love the Welcome
to the NFL Woman story by far my best one
that I've heard, I've heard of all I guess we've had.
That is by far the favorite on this show. Man,
appreciate you, Wishing you and a giant's another but success
this upcoming SIDR now, thank you all for having me. No, man,
appreciate it. Man, thanks for blessing with our time. Man,
(52:17):
I'm gonna also thank my co host Peanut Man, everybody
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(53:00):
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Speaker 1 (53:03):
Dactly Uta by bun Bap
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What's going on? Peanut Tillman And welcome to the NFL
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(00:42):
really excited about our guests this morning. Uh, because I
was a big fan that played with him with Madden.
I hadn't even mentioned that to him yet, but a
lot of years playing with this young man on Matten.
Go ahead, Yeah, so we're gonna dive right in. Let
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right now, let's get this thing. So let me read
the bio. I gotta get back into the magic. Let's go.
Played eleven years in the NFL for the Giants and
now the Washington Commanders. Was an All Pro, made Pro
(01:24):
Bowl five times. He is in the New York Giants
Ring of Honor. He won a Super Bowl as a
member of the Giants front office. Now he's a special
assistant to the general manager. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
Jesse Armstead to the show. All right, thanks for having me. Yeah, man,
I appreciate me in here. Hold on, I gotta be honest,
(01:46):
because just you're the first linebacker that I can remember
that were like a ninety number and was like ballin, ballin, ballin,
So like that's what really stood out to me. I
played with you for many years on the game, and
I was and now I'm in awe of you. I
didn't know your from Texas. I didn't know much about
you besides the game, and so this is really cool
just being in this moment, sharing this room with you
and getting to know you a little bit more after
(02:07):
we've done more research and backstory.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Absolutely, I'm glad to be here also, and Uh, I'm open.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But man, i'm here.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'll tell you about myself whatever you want to know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And I appreciate that that I'm here, like the country
accident all that. Yeah, So I'm a I'm a Dallas
or excuse me, out of Dallas. I'm a ford Hood,
Central Texas, Belton, Wake, Old Temple Clean. I'm in that area.
That's that's those are my roots where I play some football.
So nothing like nothing, nothing like Dallas, Carter, of course,
but we will get to that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
We go.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Yeah, I got a whole Yeah, I got a whole
segment for that, because yeah, y'all was crazy. Y'all, y'all
was good. Damn y'all was good. So Jesse, let's take
it all the way back here. You're a young man,
You're you're grew up in like Oak Cliff, right, Yes,
is that correct? And uh you used to always you
guys would have some different things in Birdie Park, All right,
(03:00):
Bertie Park. You guys have a lot of action out there,
Fist the cuffs, going back, whatever it took, and your
brother will come and get you. Say, hey man, they talking,
let's go, let's go to handle this. And in one
of these days, one of these times. I guess you
guys are fighting and then next thing you know, a
butcher knife was thrown. A third person party came out
of nowhere. A butcher knife was thrown hit you in
(03:22):
the hip. It goes in. You're bleeding everywhere you go
inside the house, your grandma's house or your mom's mom
mom's house breaks off and now they got you. Gotta
have surgery and get this thing out. They say you
maybe not be able to walk, Like, just take us there,
this is amazing, this is crazy story for you to us. Yeah, yeah,
like how does all this happen? And let's take it
(03:43):
all the way back to Bertie Park for me and
just kind of walk us through everything that is Birdie Park.
And also that day, yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Just got into it with these actually got into it
one brother and started fighting My first brother. Second brother
came outsides off fighting both of those guys, and then
the third you were winning, Yeah I went, but they
stacked once against me. When the third brother came out
and he was eighteen and he came out with the
knife and how old are you? And I was like eleven, twelven, twelve,
(04:14):
twelve twelve, and the oars came against me then, and
I tried to get away and he threw it and
went through me. And then they were trying to get
to me, and I just jumped on my motorcycle. I
got out of there and made it to the house.
Blood going everywhere, went in the house and I hit
off the bars. We got bars on the house, you know,
(04:37):
came through it and it broke off and had two
surgers later, you know, got it. I said, I have
a little limb, you know, for a little while, and
went on with a little limb. But then one day
I was sitting in the garage and the snake came
through the garage. I've been running every since that.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I just was talking about. Backup. You just said I
left when I was getting jumped, and you hopped on
your motorcycle. Yeah. Yeah, this is like I had a
dirt bike, okay.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And I didn't know they had a third brother. He
was older, eighteen, and he came out and I caught
him out the corner of my eye, and he threw
it and it went through me. You know.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So I picture it and like this sounds like a
Hollywood movie, but you're only twelve years old doing all this.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Yeah, I'm just glad. I'm just glad that I was
either in the shock or whatever, I don't know, to
make it because if it fall down and then they
got me.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, fight or flight, Yes, that's all it was. So
how do you think that that situation helped transform you?
Like helps you out? Do you see things differently? Like
how did that like shape you?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It just shaped me to a point where you know,
you know, I'm always fight to the end, always, no
matter what the circumstances. And I always carried that attitude
with me no matter what and still got it today.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah. Man, if if you ever see somebody chasing me,
I would go eat. I would gladly go on a
fight with you knowing what you just did. Yeah yeah,
yeah right, my god, just knowing you're paying tolerance like
mentally has that just like kind of taking you to
other place Like, look, it doesn't matter what happens, what
situation I am, there is no stopping, there is no going.
I mean, I mean I've ran and been on the
(06:22):
dirt bike with a knife out in my head like yeah,
I'm not trying to be funny, but true, that's real.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, I'm just I'm Billfitning thing, you know, Uh fortune,
I played in the National Football League, like, uh all
my career never missed a game, you know, never never
missed a snap. Uh so uh fortunately that way, uh
will hurt many times.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
But yeah, how that go. I do pack up and
keep going. I still won't to talk about high school
because I'm sure you guys are like, it's the mill,
It's Mill of Texas, so it's got to be way hot.
That's when I guess water was you know for weaklings? Correct, sure,
absolutely it gets water.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like you saw, you don't get no water, you know,
and then a sudden you water out. You know, so
water you did not get water. You're in the heat
of the day and doing the hardest time.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
All right, So what was it like to play on
that that Dallas Carter team nineteen eighty eight probably considered
to be one of the not the greatest football team
ever assembled? And like kind of take us back to
what it was like to be on that and and
uh what was that even like being did you even
realize how good you were at the time? And for
(07:36):
those that don't know, let's give them a little bit.
That's what the movie Friday Night Lights. Let's give some
context of that, Dallas Permian was the one that they
showcased in the movie Odessa. So yeah, and versus you guys,
sorry and thank you, put but they actually football. Yeah,
you guys actually won the game. Oh absolutely. So oft
(08:00):
from the same neighborhood. We didn't do no recruiting like
they do nowadays, or guys come from all over. We're
the same neighborhood, a bunch of guys that we started
as freshman's. I went to Carter High School not for
football because of right in my back door.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I played basketball. And one day I'm just starting at
the fence, looking at the cheerleaders, down at the calicoes
and checking the my downd the coach. Everybody, get down,
what position do you play? I looked the guy next
to me, say play lineback. I said, I play linebacker.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
I mean, so that's how I got started, you know,
freshman or freshman year. And I got lucky.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I got I got a wife at that deal because
she was down at the being a calico. And then
I got football and my first time really being official
football player. I played one year in the eighth grade
and then in the ninth grade, I came to Carter
high school and then got on the freshman team, and
then my sophomore year, I was no.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
One player in the nation, no doubt, and I was
going to tell that. So he hit.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Instantly number one player, and they saw I been in
my whole career like on top. So from high school. Uh,
then we went on my senior year and we went
on and we won a state championship and we had
we had great talent on that team.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
So you were three times. He's a three time All
American in high school. I want to let everybody all
sophomore year and he had just started playing. Sophomore year
All American, junior year, All American, You're all kinds of magazines,
and then senior year, you are pretty much the number
one player in the country.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Number one play in the country. My sophomore year.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Get it right, Roll, get it right.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Roll's social media, social media.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
That did you have in one game? That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Well, my senior, my senior FA with three hundred tackles,
uh and sixteen.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Twelve playing X man football teams three hundred, Well, they
wouldn't have made it. They wouldn't made a movie out
of six man football team five eight.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
The biggest there is in yes state of Texas, so
you know, but you know, unfortunately I had a lot
of good players that were in the neighborhood that had
Derek Evans, who was knowing dB in the nation also
on that team. They were going to University of Tennessee.
And unfortunately the other part of our story is that, Yeah,
I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, that
was a big part of it. We all went the
(10:28):
state championship.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And then.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know, we all started out young, you know, I
mean we we always gambled, did everything what you do
in the hood, you know, they we did that. And
I went to Juvenile my freshman year. Uh, and I
taught to guys. You know, we always shopp live and
we didn't have to. You know, that was something we
were doing. Shopli make a little money and we shipped
(10:53):
there with gamble and and this stuff carried on later on,
and uh year guys came, Uh we graduated, we finished school,
and we didn't we hadn't graduated. But they turned around
and came with deal. They wanted to do the arm robbery.
And I said, man, I've been juvenile twice. I'm thinking juvenile.
(11:16):
And I said, now, I'm not getting no more trouble.
I told him, Mom, I'm not getting no trouble. I'm
not doing nothing. I'm clean. And they were like, he's
selling out. You know, he's supposed to be with us,
you know. I said, I just said, I'm not doing it.
And they went on and they did a few times,
and one day I went to the head coach and
(11:36):
I said, man, I want to holler at you. And
he was like, what you want to talk about? And
we were rolling. I said, no, nothing, That's what I
talked about. Son else and he's still today. Freddy James
is eighty three years old. He'll tell you this story.
And I was like, no, no, no, I want to
talk to you about and you know what I think
about today. I could have told it right now. Yeah,
(11:58):
but if I told her I've been a snitch the hood.
But I would have saved them. Yeah, but none of
them would have liked me from that point on. I
was in the Catch twenty two and you were too
scared to do it or you didn't want to do it,
but now you want to sit on everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So I was in a bad predictment, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I still regretted both ways today because I know Gary
would be in the NFL. I know Derek would have
been in the NFL. Derek going to the University of Tennessee,
UH number one dB. That's how they wound up getting
I can't think of the other cornerback real good that
went to Tennessee. But then Gary were going to University
of Houston. Yeah, Carlos, we're going to Ohio I think.
(12:40):
And these guys going all over week.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah, it's crazy. Everybody's getting scholarships. Like back then with
scholarship and recruiting was a lot different too. You had
to really watch yeah, yeah, you really had had to recruit. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And then the sad part about it was that, you know,
he went into the UH in the courtroom and we
all had you know, they were young, and everybody had
the same lawyer. So what they did they brought everybody
in the same change game. So it had like thirteen
all change done on jumpsuit. Them say we was a game.
We wasn't either, no game. We didn't know nothing about
no games and we're from Texas. Games were back and
(13:14):
probably in LA back then, we didn't understand what games were.
But they said it was a gang, and they tried
everybody together and wound up getting dig them like eighty
years in prison, seventy years in prison. And then it
was messed up because you shouldn't have never gave nobody
no eighty years that had full scholarshure. Yeah, they made
mistakes as adult. Now I'm a dud. There's no way
(13:35):
that you should have been let that happen to young
men's like that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And turn around, they were railroaded.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
And then when the new governor came into Texas, he
granted them clemency to get out after six years or
five years whatever the year was not for sure, but
you know, it was messed up the whole depth, and
it messed up by them. So not taking nothing away
from what happened, because I all been fit upset, that's
what my mom getting.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Was there a firearm involved with it?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was firearm involved in it, you know,
but not taking nothing away from none of this. Now,
yeah it was all wrong, But you get someone eighty years,
you get somebody seventy years, you get somebody sixty.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Years, right, you know, they're trying to prove a point.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They were being railroaded all the way because they were
pissed off a BYuT the state championship all that stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Then they held you'll they try to hold you back.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
And if you go look at you look at what
Carter loss. It's a thirty for thirty. What Carter loss?
It shows live footage or how to judge was so
arrogant when he said this, Yeah, and you see live footage,
so it's nothing that no one can say, Oh, they
didn't say this when it's live footage, and thirty for
thirty did a great job showing it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Yeah, does it piss you off that in the movie
Friday Night Lights that they showed Carter losing the game.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Now they actually showing them losing. If you look at it,
they know they make it where we're in the uh
semi finals plan when we played in the state championship,
So they act like they playing us in the state championship.
We beat them in a semi final, gotcha, uh? And
sir Hollywood, they had the money and they had the back,
and so they can do anything they want to do
(15:14):
in Hollywood, you know, because that's part of it. But
the true thing was that they took that whooping and
everybody else took that whooping and they can't take that back.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, So I like that they came back.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I asked for the you know, the championship rings and
the trophies. You have all the stuff. You can't take
the whooping. They couldn't get it back. And everybody was
locked up and they had their own stuff. They never
got that stuff back, but they can't take.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That jesse Man, Number one, I appreciate you always keeping
the receipts. Number one. I can tell your passion behind
a lot of these men that actually end up going
to jail. Seems like really great friends of yours. You
grew up together. Yeah, and so you and I can
I feel the resentment in your words, like man, like
I really feel like I could have possibly helped when
(16:00):
I didn't say something to coach, and you really are
double sided on that, Like I feel you how did
that whole moment change your outlook on life? Like being
able to let people in? Did it really help you?
Did it put up walls? Like what did that do
to you as a young man, knowing that how close
you were to one of the biggest decisions and maybe mistakes,
(16:21):
possibly that you didn't make in your life.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
First of all, I know I had to represent from
that point on, more represent you know, Dallas, represent cardon
that name. I always home, followed me more than anything.
And then on top of that, I went to school.
I wanted to be a FBI agent. I wanted to
be a lawyer. I made sure it won't be in
law because I knew that was wrong.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
What happened.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I graduated in three years. It forced me to graduate
in three years. Yeah, because my thing was that you
cannot let nothing like that happen. It was should have
been somebody around the country, somebody came in and did something,
and no one did anything, you know, and everybody sat back.
You know, no one Today people will speak up, but
(17:02):
back then, everybody kind of set back and just say, oh,
just let whatever happens happen. And uh so I got
my degree in three years from the universe Miami. I
never went home for the summertime, and I stayed in
school and I grind. I got it done, you know.
And you know, when I'm passionate about something, I do it.
You know I'm gonna do it. You kill me.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Now, do you think there was like any similarities by
you going to the University of Miami, so we can
we can just say people look down on Carter just
because young black kids, right, Like that's that's no secret.
But then you go to the University of Miami and
I mean it was just like whooping foods day in
and day out, blowing blowing cats out. They were like
(17:43):
I was in the heat of it, Like do you
see was there like a similarities? Like man, this this
feel like I'm back in high school, Like we we're
the bad boys. Everyone everyone looking down on us, but
like we we beating out of everybody. Yeah, is there
some similarity to that I went to.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I went to different university and visit them, But when
I've been to the Universe Miami, it was like CARTI
of high school.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
So I went from one school to next school. And
when I got to the University Miami, and they challenged
me before I got there. They challenged me when I
walked in the doors. Only you recruit somebody. They were like, man,
you know one playing the country. We don't thank you
about nothing, Like bro, I'm yeah, yeah, dude, Yeah, I'm
the dude.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I got intour with a few guys. Then they were like,
oh he don't come back here. I'm signing here. I'm
coming back here, and I'm gonna be and I'm gonna
be the starter here.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You know. I'm warning number one as I came in.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I got number one, and I came in, I did start,
and I became the best linebacker at the time in
college football heading that right direction. Tore my knee up,
and then when I tore my knee up, and then
I came back and tore my should up, so my
whole right side was totally reconstructed. And uh, everybody that
laughed at my jokes back then, they want to laugh
(18:56):
at my jokes. I was by myself, but I've been in,
I been, I come from the hood, So yeah, I
was down in the bottom by myself, you know, and
go for the universe minding. Everybody turned it back on me,
you know. Uh, they sent me to the doctor's hospital,
go get therapy over there, and not at the facility
Wherebells got treatment at. I did what I had to
do when I come back and I got my starting
(19:18):
position back.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
When I got to the Universe Miami, when when it happened,
they brought in another linebacker and his name was Robert bass,
never forget, never forget, never loved. And so they when
he came in, they said, universe, mind me found a
line back to replace Jesse. And I said, you know what.
(19:43):
He was at the facility. I said, let me go
see this. You know, guy, I bet he's not nothing
I can get over on my crutches. And when I
went in there, he looked like a real linebacker. I
got depressed. I lost tim. So I come back into
the spring game and I'm like, well, I guarantee you
(20:04):
just looked like they can't play, you know, and this.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Song going out there, he's like wam wam. I said, whoa,
My good cracking skulls.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Cracking sculls out there. I said, whoa. So the media
come to me like what you're going to do? You
know about your positions. Well, if I'm at seventy percent,
I guarantee I get my job back. So that was
a big deal. Just say if he's seventeen percent, he
would be the starter. I came back, I got my
job and he went my backup.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
But why he wound up getting drafted before I got drafted.
But that's how life worked.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That is life work. Talking about the draft do you
know that in nineteen ninety three year draft was the
last draft with eight rounds? Did you realize that? And
not only that on top of a peanut, but was it,
mister irrelevant at the time, did you get that because
you were you were just the last guy? So when
did they start to miss the relic because you missed
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on that? Yeah, you missed on the parade.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Now you're right on seven round But to gave everybody
extra pick that year, But what it was some rounds
everybody extra pick because first year of free agency, so
gave everybody the eighth round. That's how they gave that
extra pick. I didn't know all this. I realized that later.
I'm glad you're teaching us, though you know it was
seven rounds in the friends, you're a freigen so to
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get everybody extra pick, and that's how I wound up
getting picked with that the eighth pick from the Giants.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, and if they want to have that, you've
probably just been a free agent or the undrafted. He
would have been good, though a lot he used to
being by itself obviously, so I think that's kind of
like your superpower though, like with somebody. So you can't
do something just like all right, I'm I can't do
it manifested, I'm gonna keep these receipts and you go
out there and you just ball and you just you
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kill it. I figured that that's your story. Yeah, no,
you're right. It has been my story and I figured
it out. Man.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, that's one thing I look at all of us.
You know, you look at the guys that's successful in
life regardless, they'll figure it out, you know, and by
just competitive, you're figure anything out.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Now, what was it like when you were at the
University of Miami when you saw the Rock? Was it
Was there anything special about him? Did you? Was it
was it like, oh yeah, this's gonna be pretty good,
or it's just like man, whatever he ain't ain't gonna
be nothing. Did you Did you even notice him? Was
it a thing?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
You Rock can tell the story that he noticed me.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
In the show The Young Rock, the guy that plays you.
Did you really say that to him? I was? I was.
I was a dumb when that camera You mean, the
nice side of me, I'm a good change man, I
would have got you know, you like me? You don't
hate me? You know according to the movie. I mean
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on the show you said, uh, he said, oh, you're
the starring linebacker. You're like, no, I'm I'm d number
one linebacker in the country. That's how you introduce yourself.
I mean you corrected me earlier, So I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Exactly what it is, I am number one line back
in the country, number two, number two. I can say
I've been number I've been number two before. Nobody remember
number two. I played in the Super Bowl, lost it.
I don't remember the number two. Remember number one? The
best linebackers were number one. I'm not number one.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I love that. So what was it like when you
finally got drafted in the eighth round and you got
to play? I mean your rookiear was Lawrence Taylor's. Uh
that was his last year? Now was that? Was my
interpretation is when I got in the league, we still
had like those old school vets to where hey they
had super vets back in the day, Hey go tell
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Jesse to give me something to eat. Could they didn't
even talk to rookies, so I can only I'm imagining,
but this is our theory. This is my theory, is
that he didn't even talk to rookies. LT.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Lawrence like did he Yeah, who's all in that linebacker
room because we had uh l T had uh Pepper Johnson, Ok. Yeah,
people of the Dog now yeah you had. We got
in Michael Brooks, he came out of Denver. We paid
him all that money that year. He came in and
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he's a beast man. Michael Brooks. He came out of
L s U and with Denver and yeah, I mean
you were talking about the toughest line bake. You want
to face a tough And then he had Carton Bailey
came from off the Buffalo team. You know, we just
let Banks had just left him went to Cleveland with.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Uh uh yeah, it'll come here, It'll come to me. Yeah.
So so we had a room, we had a we
had a stack room.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
We had some young linebackers in there also, and we
were sitting probably like fifteen deep when I was there
at linebackers, and the guy got in, you know, and
with my opportunity ever come because when I get to
the third thirteen and when we get to fourteen, drill
over with you know, so I'm not never gonna get
to show myself at all, you know what I mean?
And I was real small, you know, I wasn't a
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conventional linebackers. I was two hundred and twenty five pounds. Yeah,
and I could just run. But we had linebackers two
hundred and sixty pounds that was grown ass men still,
and the game was different.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah. Bill Belichick was the coach. Yeah, I don't know how.
I don't know how we forget about that because it's
time in Cleveland. That's why we're not at all about it. Yeah,
it was a blur. It was all so that was
back when like you had like a like real like
real deal sam linebackers. You played on the weak side, yeah, obviously,
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and where you really made your hay at. I just
think it's so amazing. At what point you you played
special teams the first couple of years and then when
did you get your first real break and cracking like okay?
And then from here on it was it was all
set and stone. Well.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I was running covering everybody at practice and either LT
and Michael Brooks and like, hey man, they got put
a young dude in man, put them somewhere. And so
what they did they created me, put me in the slot.
So I was a nickel cover guy. Oh, so people
don't realize that. You look at it if people looking
ninety three and I covered the slot, and I was
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used to come the slot because of the universe minment.
I never came out I'll cover the slot. So it
was just come a thing to me when I got there,
but everybody was amazed. I'm like, shoot, man, you see
the receivers. I had to come and slot. I had
nightmares sitting there here in college. But make a long story, shrug.
I get there and I started playing everything. I had
to go to special team because that was an opportunity,
and they wanted somebody to go down Scott team and
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give him a look. And I kept going down, kept
going down, and finally they put them in the game.
And that's when a lot of success happened for me
on special teams. And I was so good on special
team they they wanted to always keep me there. Yeah,
and then I loved Joe. Joe was a great special
team dec Miller. He was a special team coach and
went on and won him to Super Bowl. Real good
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special team coach. But I decided that I want to
be a starter. After I got the starting position and
I could lead Joe for that one guy, and I
still start on any spect team and doing that. Eventually
John's like, na, yeah, I got we gotta cut him off.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
See that another guy that started on defense and plays
special teams. He's talking about himself. Yeah, that was not
special teams start. It's like special team dogs. I don't
know about this. I'm honest, honest, I'm honest. And because
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it's hard though, I think if you play special team,
let me just look at the camp when I say this,
all right, when you play special teams, you better do
it young because you can't do it not play special
team and didn't do it late. It's like a young
man's game. You need to get baptized early in it.
And you're yeah, we're gonna take a short break and
we'll be right back. Jess. I got to know this,
and I feel like I know your answer the more
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and more we've spoken to you. But I want to know.
In Super Bowl thirty five, you had to pick six
that got called back. The score was just seven to
nothing at the time in the second quarter. Does that
pick change the whole outlook of that game with you
guys in the Giants possibly to win it, versus like
what happened at the end of the end result being
thirty four to seven.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, if you look at it, it would have changed
the game because now they have to play an on
this game. And they never scored again on our defense.
We go through the game. Everything else was the interceptions
and the kickoff return and everything like that. They didn't
scored to the end of the game. When the game
was over with the last punched the ball in. But
they had a great defense. They had a number one defense.
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We had a number two defense, you guys. But they
stood up to the mat. They stood up and they
challenged our offense, and offense.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Didn't sure they have a great day. They didn't have
a great day, and they came out on top. It's crazy, though,
because first of all, that suit bow thirty five as
were referencing Baltimore versus versus the New York Giants, and
the Giants actually see that. You're going back to it.
I really thought Minnesota was gonna win in the NFC
Championship game. So your guys offensively, just play lights out.
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Oh they played light out, and the defense gave us
zero points.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
You know, like you play together, you know, and that's
how it happened, you know, and and you know we
had that was when you have two weeks in between
the Super Bowl. I'm not saying we calm, we similar
down or nothing like that. We went into there in
the Super Bowl felt like that we won't win that game.
And hey, you know I coached it. We had a
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good approach, but I don't We had to approach a
just play the game, and they had to approach that
we won't go out, we'll draw ourself and we won't
play the game and won't win the game.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So they had the mentality and we didn't match that
mentality when the game time came.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Who was that quarterback Trent Yeah, Baltimore, Baltimore, Yeah, yeah,
in the state. Yeah yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's one thing that you know, you sit back and
you say, uh, those things that you regret, you know
deep down inside. You know, I was very fortunately you
know one two NAS championship, I lost one. And you
still you start looking back when you get to a
certain agent life like man, I blew that, I blew that,
you know.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
H don't look at me, don't don't do not even
look at me, do not even next I'm insults all day.
So I lost to I'm own too in my super Bowl. Yeah,
so I'm just like, I know we're family in that
kind of situation, I don't want to bring that up.
I'm still talking about it. So then when we do
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we do these shels, do these podcasts at super Bowl,
He's always just like, well, I'm good, I got my ring,
I'm good, and then he throw it in my face
because I never want a super Bowl. It's just like, man,
it's really sounded like a hit dog holler situation right
now because I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, he gave me a look, I'm on your side.
He's another shining I want one. I got I got
to on the other side. But that's on the other side.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
So when I wear you know, I wear my rings
when I wear them, but it's not like that one
that he got on there. You know, it's different. Let
me ask this, after losing one as a player and
winning one in the front office, I want to I'm sorry,
excuse me, winning two in the front office. How does
that feel? I feel?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
You know, I feel great, you know what I mean?
I feel great, But uh, I can imagine how I
would feel as a player. As a player, you know. Uh,
And that's why you know, I never want to be
in that situation again. If I hate to be in
that situation, even if I'm in the front office. Don't
lose it. I know how it feels to lose it,
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you know.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
So this is a perfect tell us, tell us bew
I feel you know, he want to trust me.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
He does, he does.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
He got that quietness of them like I got some
I got something to tears comes down, stop crying, I say.
Tried to bring it up. Try not to bring it up.
I tried to. First of all, it does feel great.
All I wanted when I went to Carolina with these guys,
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I wanted them to have that same feeling because I
knew what it felt like. And so when you you
have that locker room, those brothers, and you've been to
the top the pinnacle and you win it, and you know,
and I'll be honest with you, Jesse, it was the
first time I'd ever been in that meeting where the
coach has nothing to say and it's something to be
said about that, like, oh no, we did it. When
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there's nothing it's just pure Outlandi's joy. You get to
share this moment and for real, like you walk with that,
you walk with that team forever, like we're brother. The
same thing when you said about Dallas Carters, like they
can't take that whooping, Like they can't take that back.
And no matter what they say, no matter what they
try and point fingers at, you have that to go
along with you forever. And that's like the you know,
that's after your dash, you know what I'm saying, when
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you when you die or whenever. It's like Roman Harper
super Bowl Champion, d like that's part of me forever.
And I don't put on the peanut.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Low's that's if you want to put it over there
that I would say, lead off with it.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You know I wouldn't lead off, you know what I'm saying.
But other than that, though, it's you always say this.
I want this question though because you want you have
two super Bowl rings. But from your voice, from your
what I'm hearing is that it's just different. And so
is it better to have loved and lost or not
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have loved at all? Meaning would you rather never have
gone or go and lose and never go back. I'd
rather been there because I had a chance at the fight.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
You know, you know and I've been at the fighting
from high school winning championship, to win in two national
championship and to be at the fight at the biggest
arena you could be in in the Superlow.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
And that day I didn't win in the biggest arena.
And I normally win in the big arena, and that
was one time I didn't. Uh so So, from high
school to college, then you get to the league, was
there a difference? Were you nervous when you got to
that Super Bowl? He was like no, man, I'd have
done this, Damnar like three times. Was there any nerves
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or was this like nah, we got this. I got this.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
I was never nervous from from high school to college
or college from the pros I been. People don't realize
I've been on top of my whole life. So it
was nothing that you want to show me. And the
only thing I have done wrong is that one time
they had Eugene Lock called the hitting Machine or Dallas
Cowboys linebacker, and they had him in the restaurant and
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this is one thing I did wrong, And they were like, Jesse,
Eugenie is back there. I'm like, well, I'm here, you
know what I mean. I was high school then, yeah,
but that was I wish a high school kid would
had that mentality of a pro athlete that's in the building.
He had an attitude. You don't have that attitude. And
that's one thing that I always ate me up and
insign that. I'm like, how would you sit up there
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and think that you that damn good? This man is
a professional athlete and you sitting there, butter think they
should come see you, you know, because they Michael Irving,
you had Steve Diassi. They used come to see me
playing high school and I wind up playing with Steve
Dissi later on, you know what I mean. And so
they used come to the uh to the pep Rillies
and stuff like that, and they want to see me
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play in high school. So you had that mentality thing
that you had a certain kind of level in your mind. Yeah,
but no, you're just in high school, bro, you know,
he been professional athletes.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's funny, Like the one thing, like, dude, I have
a grip of regret and it's all the way back
to high school because I was just too much about me. Yeah, yeah,
come off so humble. Now, I would have never guessed
it like that was who you were then. Yeah, versus
how like you said, you've changed it. If you talk
to my wife, she said she hated me then.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Shared in college and she literally got the pro cub
became a whole different person, you know what I mean?
You know, maybe the things you had, you know, like
I got success so early, you know, and had all
the way through. And most people normally get it in
the pros or they get it in college. Yeah, I
had it from day one and my first put on
park cliques, you know. Yeah, and normally don't happen like that.
That's not And I rode the wave too. I rode
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the real hard.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So when you retired, you played fifteen or sixteen games,
you had six and a half sacks, you had one
hundred tackles, and then you end up retiring and you
I mean what it on paper it looked like you
had a really good season. What do you think led
you to retire? Well?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I actually went to Carolina and a very interesting conversation
told me I wasn't going to be a starter. I
want they had a young guy where and that I
won't to be.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
His backup.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I believe in letting everybody could pete for a job. Yeah,
and I'm not saying that I was better than him
at the time, but don't put me in a box.
And so after they put me in that box and
I heard my boicep, I said, you know what, I
just had a surgery. And I had a surgery and
then I just said I'm done.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay. Now, how long after did you you, like take
time off before you transitioned into being the special assistant
to the GM.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
You know what, it's hard when you lead a game
of football, you know, if you really love the game
of football, and it's just so hard something that you've
been doing all your life. And it took me a
year and a half. Actually, John's called me back a
year later in two thousand and six for me to
come back for the playoff game and they were going
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to sign me in the front office and they were happy,
but Tom Kaufman and I can't think of the defensive
coordinator name. They didn't want to have nothing to do
with me because they just had to deal with straight
hand going against Tom and all this kind of stuff
like that.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
They can't bring in the most super vets. We can't
take it no more. Yeah, So they were like they
didn't want to and so they didn't sign me, and so.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Mister Marl, actually, you know, they all offered me an
opportunity to be with the team, and you know you're
still in the inside. I'm like Noah. And then later
on I decided yes, and they brought me back in
two thousand and seven, and everything else is history from
that point on.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
So what did you do to stay busy while you
were away for like, yeah, thirteen fourteen months?
Speaker 1 (38:48):
You know from the game, you know, can you play golf?
No golf of me, No golf for me, man, my passion.
I'm tired of all your athletes.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Man.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I can't play on golf. Man, I'm not that good,
but I love it. I don't have the patience, you know.
You know I do charity events because you know I
have out the charity. But after I sit there like
nine holes, I'm like a kid.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
Then you mad at my spirit animal?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right, I start doing things I'm not supposed to be doing,
talking on the phone and be like, come on, man,
bro y'all come to my game.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Y'all.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Are y'all fuss talking about me? Boom me and everything else?
And you can't hit a little ball? Come on, man,
So I spent I spend time with my family, you know,
and one thing I wanted to do it to have
opportunity where I always can have time to raise up
my kids, because I already took away from their life
with the football part. And so my thing was that
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I want to have an opportunity where I still could
be with the kids and everything else and help put
in my work at the house and did my thing.
And they came to Jersey and they wound up graduating
from high school in Jersey and wind up going off
to college and graduate from college. And now it's my
free time to focus on whatever I want to focus
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on and keep improving that the New York Giants kids
you have, I have two daughters.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
I have one Jail.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
She graduated from TCU and wind up going to New
York at LA Film Academy in Burbank and now she
just graduated and trying to get into writing and production
and everything else. My other daughters she graduated from North
Texas and she into fashion design, and you know, and
now it's just me with extra time my wife, and
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you know, she looked for me to go on to
something else, and I'm just gonna keep working at Johnson
and I'm gonna make sure to get that train back
on track.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Well, talk about getting the train back on track. Are
you involved in any of the draft process? I know
you guys drafted a Cavon Thimbadeau last year in the
first round. I think he's actually called him an apex
predator when he was in college because he has that
type of ability. Just what's your involvement with upstairs? And
do you ever help with the draft process and over
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the years who you fell in love with, if you
have and who you be? Like, man, I didn't see
the questions. I just want to kind of like take
him in direction. Can't ask seven questions. Bro, just asked
him like one, I'm taking him in the whole direction.
I wanted to spitball at all. Go yeah, well you
know when you start.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
I also work with the day to day players, you know,
and trying to actually help them anything they need to
know in any kind of way. Sometime they run a
problem they they can't figure out and they want to
run by a big bro.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
They call, you know, and I talked to him.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But and for as a draft process, I started getting
involved in the draft process a little more each year.
And either when you just brought up Tipodeau, a lot
of people in Thibodeau's coming out just questioning was he
gonna be there for football or he won't be there
for the would come with football, the fame and the
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off the field stuff. But I looked at a guy
like Tipe though that was kind of like myself. He
was a top rated player. He was top rated in
the high school, got to college same way. And if
you people don't realize, if you watch a person when
they younger, they don't be consistent who they are when
they get older. And he still had that pedigree and
I look at him, still have that pedigree now, and
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he just got the one thing. You got to keep
stay focused and block out everything and work hard. You
can't never sit back and take a deep breath, because
you never can take that deep breath, not in New
York City. New York wants you to perform every week.
And that's why people want to say, what's so different
about New York Because you have a one week next week,
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they expected some great out of you. So that's one
thing why players don't make it in New York City.
And that's one thing that he got to stay focused
on plan and performing every week.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Okay, that's a great that's a great concept. I always
think it's so hard to play new and you think, like, oh,
it's just the media, but like you said, it's like no,
it's the pressure to perform week after week after week
at the highest level because like, once you see it,
we don't forget it. Yeah, yeah, in New York like that.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I mean, that's one thing that I'm well respecting New
York because I gave him everything I had. And one
thing about when they came in, when they seen that
number ninety eight, they knew that that was going to
be there every Sunday for you. And he don't give
everything he got, win, lose a draw. You go home
that night and say, hey, he gave it to us
that night, you know. And that's how I look at
I tell all players that come through New York, give
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them what you got. If you give it to him,
they'll reward you in a long term. And I've been
rewarded to be able to be with one of the
greatest teams all my life.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
You know, one more last question for me, did you
want to the last question? Did you miss out on
your timing? Because like now that people can wear whatever
number they want, you didn't get to wear number.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
One, No, because you know why I wasn't changing because
when I was in high school, I went number forty six.
They just gave me a number because I was nothing.
And I put on that number and I made it
to be in the number one line back in the
nation that year. Right then I got so cocky, I said,
give me that number one. And I get that number one.
I had two career indie injuries. Right I get to
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New York, they say, hey, get that number over that.
I'm like, dat man, I think hendy, say, don't worry
about you want me here much longer?
Speaker 2 (44:35):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
You know? And so every time I handed something, I
made it to be come pretty good. When I chose
that number one, I had heck on my hands, those myths.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
So yeah, like it's funny how you weave that methodis
it's like your own interpretation is like, yeah, because I
picked it, it's bad. Look now, no, someone just got
to give it to you. Super assistant said, players go
through on game days. Oh my god, yeah, I have
my own super little resity kept He kept too, like,
oh you ain't gonna be here long. Yeah, okay, I
got you.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, I still know the guy who told me that
he still working the Giants. I don't want to call him,
you know, I know, you know, I know.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Oh man, that's funny. So let's transition to like when
you first got in the league. What was your welcome
to the NFL moment when you got there? We all
you know it, whether it be a hit, whether it's
you know, taking linebackers out to dinner, something in practice, something,
maybe a coach said something to you.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
Just you know, you had to stand on the chair,
you know, you had to say what school you're from? Yeah,
and put your hand on your heart and say what
your signing bonus was. And so I had to stand
in front of everybody and no big deal. Whatever I
believe in, whatever you're supposed to do, I'm gonna do. Yeah,
you know I did what Howard Cross called names. You know,
(46:01):
I'll see you big Howard Howard a big, big tight end.
He said, Oh, where school you come from?
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I said, Universe minment. He said, didn't you just get
whooped the nut championship? And everybody?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
So I said, hey man, but my first year, I
got my first ring when I whooped you. You wanted
to fight me then and it just came.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Out, you know, you know, so they so they they
were after me then, you know what I mean, the
tight end, you know.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
And so they were like, all right, you know, and
so now they always after me. I'm small, okay. So
we go to practice and Derrick Brown was coming across
and they alway after me. I must have tried to
decapitate him and he laid on the ground. I laid
on the ground like I was knocked out. Tode you
laid down. He was the first run Drift Truss, I
(46:53):
know the name.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
I laid down like I just man, boy, that was
a big time. I said, Oh, I am all right,
I just cutting me, you know, take take it in
you know the locker room.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
So I'm like, I'm just trying to make sure I
don't get cut.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
That's when the older guys that were like dapping me
up and they kind of brought me across. Then, you know,
I say, pretty tough. That's a great well that would
be the best one I heard. But I just I
was playing there like I heard too, when you get cut, Yeah, yeah,
I just laid there. You go, yeah, I'm good. Oh
(47:34):
my god, would be the best one I've ever heard.
Oh my god, that's the one. All right. I want
you to tell me. You just talked about bragging about
winning championship at Miami. What is tell me a story
or something that sums up your time at Miami, at
the Universe of Mimmy at that time too. Of course
(47:54):
I could have been there. I'll tell you what. There's nobody.
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
I know, guys work out and train. It's nobody to
train and compete like guys at the Universe Miami. We
went at each other like like games was easy, you
know what I mean. We challenged each other. Ex players
come back, you know, Mike, all of them come back,
Melvin Braddon. You start looking guys to come back. They
(48:21):
get challenged by the college kids, you know what I mean.
You know, we want to compete against them.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
It wasn't like, oh he's in pro No, when you
step on that field, we all go at each other,
you know, And that was the atmosphere around there. You
know what your brother next, you could do and you
had his back, he had your back, and that's how
we rolled no matter where we went, you know. Uh,
and that's why we got in trouble together.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
We won together. You know, we want Scared to get
in on trouble and we want Scared to win. You know,
that's a great point. I got friends that went to
you and when we won a super Bowl, not trying
to bring that back up. We practiced at you guys's facility.
And when I got there, because that always heard about
do you do you do you? And then I get that,
I was like, bro, this place is just alright, Like
(49:05):
the facility was not, and it was. And then my
man Bilma was like, no, bro, it's really about the people. Yeah,
it's the people here that make it special. The guys
that come back, the guys that represent the you. It's
all about the players that thing. Yeah. So when we
Super Bowl forty, not at your facility as well. And
(49:26):
then there's like the I guess the rope that you
couldn't walk over to you yeah or whatever this new thing.
Yeah okay, but it was just like I remember Devin
was someone says something that was like, hey man, I
swear to God, do not walk on like it was
like it was like a carpet. It was the emblem
or whatever. And I was just like, oh, y'all, y'all,
well I remember they said that it was it was
like an old brown couch and the players locker room, like, bro,
(49:48):
what's up? Like they were like, dude, like there's so
many fights that's been happening here, Like you challenge casting? Like, bro,
you take it. We had real fights.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, it's not like you know, like like if you
want to challenge somebody, that's a real fight, you know
what I mean. It's not we don't back down, you
know what I mean, Like guys do all this talking
and stuff like that, and we're not like that. Man.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, they don't like you won't go at it.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
So yeah, yeah, well look I think that's it. J
just well, I got let's get out here. On the
question we always ask, oh, Mount Rushmore, if you had
to pick four people that have had a very good
influence in your life, mom, dad, bro, whoever, anybody you
(50:29):
want a name, who would those four people be? Be?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
My mom? My dad?
Speaker 2 (50:38):
All right? Tell us why?
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Well my mom because she stopped in ninth grade, not
graduate high school.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
Two kids.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
Had kids fifteen fifteen. They had me at eighteen, and
I can't handle kids, and I'm a grown man. I
don't know how they did. But she survived with two boys,
you know. And then uh, my daddy, he was a
street dude, you know what I mean. He found a
way to take care of us and did what a
man had to do sometime. I understand, But as a
(51:12):
grown man, I understand now, you know, and so I
respect him tremendously on that deal. Uh, he's not here
no more. But hey, I'm just liking you know what
I mean, And go get her, put him.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
In a field.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
We'll figure it out. And then uh be my wife.
We've been together since with fourteen, you know. So Uh
she the scene up down and she been by me.
Ain't no and nothings been to make her leave, you know. Uh,
and didn't be my brother.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
You know.
Speaker 1 (51:41):
So my brother's considered my best friend. Uh I call
him now no matter where I'm at, he's coming, you know.
So you got to deal with two of us now
he three or five, six of us too.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
You got to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
I like it. Well, look just hey, thanks for coming
on the show man, appreciate you. I love the Welcome
to the NFL Woman story by far my best one
that I've heard, I've heard of all I guess we've had.
That is by far the favorite on this show. Man,
appreciate you, Wishing you and a giant's another but success
this upcoming SIDR now, thank you all for having me. No, man,
appreciate it. Man, thanks for blessing with our time. Man,
(52:17):
I'm gonna also thank my co host Peanut Man, everybody
that really pours into this thing, and Jesse pouring more
time than us continue for all of our listeners out there. Man,
tell a friend to tell a friend to tell a
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(52:40):
was great, Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate that. Man, Thank you guys.
We're out of here, all right. I'm Peter that too,
one and that's the NFL Player Seconds podcast We out
(53:00):
while by
Speaker 1 (53:03):
Dactly Uta by bun Bap
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