October 11, 2022 • 62 mins
My guest from Ep. 165 is back to share her story about working at a sex brothel. She shares details on how she started in the sex work industry, the ins and outs working at the brothel, and her first night. Plus, she talks about the amount of money she made, her favorite clients, and what she learned about herself during that time.
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all of my guests are nonnes So let's again this
week's episode. So I am super excited about this episode
because my guests from episode one, sixties five, I had
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multiple abortions hit me up in my d M saying
that she is ready to share her story about working
at a six BROTHO. Now remind y'all, I was high
as hell often edible, so I was like, wait, what happened? Yeah?
It took me so long though, says what you said,
because I'm like, wait, what did she say? Oh my god?
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Once again, thank you so much for sharing your story. Again,
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. I
love the conversations you have. I feel like I'm a
part of them when I listened to your show so right, yeah,
just like girl talk and life talk and stuff. It's
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given Oprah from the hood, yes, you know, like new
aged Oprah, like it's given Karasha before Karasa. Right, Yeah,
I love it. So thank you again for having me
back of course, So what made you want to share
your story? Well, um, I've been writing about my story
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for a while now. Yeah, and you know, like being
a little more open about experiences and like processing different things,
and it's just such a great like, I mean, people,
there's there are these are things people don't know, if
people don't think about, and I feel like I have
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a movie on my hands. But anyway, Yeah, it's just
a good topic. It's it's a it's a hush hush
taboo topic, and I live a life that like people
don't even know. Yeah, I always say one of my
favorite things about the professional home Girl is one of
the main reasons why I encourage people to share these stories,
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because you never know how your storyline can be somebody
else's lifeline exactly. Yeah. So that's that's what's up. That's fire.
M So, what were your thoughts on sex workers Before
you worked in a brothel? Um, Before I worked at
a brothel, I was a dancer. M So I worked
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in strip clubs. Um, I had been doing it maybe
a few years prior. So it's always been like a
green light. You know. Sex workers are real workers. They
get do a service, just like anybody else. Right, Yeah,
I got to hang out with you, man, because man,
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you just never know who you'd be talking to these days.
I feel like you lived the full life. I definitely
have lived a full life. Um. I started dancing when
I was Uh, let's say, I've been doing it for
a number of years, longer than I ever thought I
would be. Right, Oh, you know, typical like college life,
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like you need to make money and got paid to
bills whatever. Um it's given diamonds. Yeah, the names overall
overall yeah, um, but yeah, it was always something I was,
you know, growing up. You know the stigma is, you know,
strippers are bad, sex wortive at all, that negativity. But
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you know I didn't have that outlook on it even
before I was you know, a dancer, Like I respected it,
like it's a great hustle. It's empowering, like if you're hot, right,
I want to actually what your name was, but you
could tell me off the air. It's a good one. People. Oh,
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I know, it's a good one. So what are your
thoughts on decriminalizing sex work? Oh? Man, I really it's
like it's not a thing yet, Like why why are
we still dealing with this? Um? But then again in
this country we live in and it's not surprising. But
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again I feel like it's it's a real job. Like
people who do it on the low here in the
United States, like you know, they could it could lead
the like sex trafficking and like abuse and like just
being desploited and if you're in control all of what
you do and the law backs you up. It's safer,
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it just makes more sense. Um. But because it's you know,
it's not really looked at as a traditional profession, and
I mean it is the oldest profession. You know. It's
like going to get a haircut, I need like titties
in my face, or I need a pedicure, or I
need yeah, like any of those things that I could
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need today and I could pay to get all those
awesome Did your friends know about this? Yeah? So my
I told my friends. Let's see, they knew I danced,
like when I first started dancing. They knew that was
a thing, like my siblings working at a brothel. This
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happened when I was out of the country. Um, so
nobody knew about it. Eventually, I let, you know, certain
people know just because you know, there's so many cool
things to talk about, and it's like you have all
these fun secrets and you can't have these conversations because
you're afraid. Like, look that my friends love me. They
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know who I am. But yes, now most of like
my close friends, they know. What were their reaction? Um,
let's see, I don't think they were surprised. It was
cool most because like you know, I go a little
outside the box and a lot of things. So I
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don't even think it was a surprise. It was more
just like oh wow, like let's hear the juicy details,
like oh god, like how did you know? Like how
did that make you feel? How did that work for you?
Like yeah, but you know, people figure it out. They
really want to know, like all the good details, because
you know, I want to know all the detail. I'm
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just warming up. How long did you work there? Oh,
let me thig So I want to say a total
of like three months. I was abroad. I'm not going
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to say which country, but in the country I was
abroad certain areas it was legal and they had like establishments,
and I danced over in that country as well. But
then it's like I was just so curious and like, dude,
you just gotta try it. So I did it for
about three months. So how did you end up there? Like? Google?
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You know, I did a little Google search. I read
some reviews of different um establishments. I read like blogs
from other sex workers and other countries and other you know,
just other cities and kind of get a feel for
like the culture as far as like what you can
see line like you know, like answer questions and I yeah,
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I jumped on the tram and took myself down there. Um.
And it was interesting, you know, not knowing because when
you're a dancer, you just go into a club and
you say, hey, I would like to dance on your
stage this evening, so um, and you know, most of
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the time they audition you a lot of times. Most
of the times they do, they'll be like all right,
let me see you do a dance or something, or
like oh you're hot, come on and like whatever. But
I didn't know, like cheap the audition for this yo.
That's my next question, like did you have to? Like
because when I was doing research on this, because there
are popular sex workers, they talk about their journey and
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working at sex prothos and I was like, damn, like
some of them have to like audition, some of them
had to like fut an application, go on an interview.
So what was that process like? So the place I
went to, um, I just went in and spoke with
the what's she called, not the house mom, the head bitch. Um. Yeah. Yeah,
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I went to speak to her and she she was
like she looked like a lunch lady. Like I'm like
how are you here? Like what what is this? It
was so crazy. It's like this nice little lady like
have you done this? Oh you're from America, Like that's great,
it's different, it's legal like whatever. So I went in
and I think I filled out paperwork. Nothing crazy, just
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like basic like you know information. Um. And they have
to do a background check on YouTube. Right, they didn't
do a background check on me. UM. I did have
a visa for that country, so that they saw the visa. UM,
and then they gave me paperwork to go to the
doctor and get a physical and SCD check against test
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all that, right. Yeah. And then after you had like
a week or so to get that paperwork in and
then you can get to work. Oh wow, And are
there gonna requirements? Because I know when I was reading
about brothels in Nevada, they were saying how you couldn't
have any felonies or anything on your record within a
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certain time frame. So because of the visa I had, UM,
because the visa I had just to be in that country,
I couldn't be there with felonies. So maybe that like
for them was like you know, you're in the clear,
You're eligible to be here you're different, you know, from
a different nation. But as far as like their rules,
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I don't know, Like I don't know, I'm sure in
that country it was it's like the same. You gotta
get a background check and a license and all that
at some point. Right, So what you saw that when
you walked into the bro though, like what did it
look like like do like a normal house or was
it like sexed out? The um? So it was like
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a house, this particular one. You go in and it
was a house that had two levels and then like
a kind of like a second and a half level anyway,
but it was like old old like dark paneling or
dark wallpaper. You walk in to one side, there's like
a room with bed, a bed in it and like
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you know, a shower and toilet and whatever. Straight ahead
was like the desk, and then like to the left
there was like the intro room where you like the
men would come in and sit in these two separate rooms.
There was like a woman's um like sitting area, not
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the dressing room, I guess, kind of like a dressing
room lounge had like a lounge like TV and like refrigerator, microwave,
and that's where the girls would hang on the couch
until your turn. Um. And yeah, you go upstairs and
it's just a bunch of rooms, a bunch of bedrooms.
And some of them had double beds. Some of them
had um, like your two king beds, and when just
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had like one king bed, you know. Some had like
big tubs. I just had stall showers. Yeah, every room
had a bathroom. Um, towels and blankets and all that.
And yeah, it was it was dark, like dark sexy
like I'm trying to picture it, like carpeted red carpeted floor.
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The red carpet wouldn't banister, like those were blacked out
so the light from the street couldn't come in. So
it had like a nice um, low warm vibe in there. Yeah,
it was. It was cozy, you know, music playing down
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the hallway. It's given cinemax poorn, yeah, yesh, Yeah, definitely
a porn on cinemax when you watching it like slow
and like smoky, right, right. Did you have to negotiate
the prices yourself with the clients or does the sex
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brought to do that for you? So they had um
set rates by time, and then there was like a
standard standard rate and then you can do like a deluxe, right,
So a standard booking is like I think it wasn't
like thirty min interviews. Standard booking would be like just
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like one round. So I don't even know how to
word it. Like they can come like one time, um
oral on the mail or on the customer with a
condom and um like a massage or whatever, like for
play or whatever. They don't have to be penetration. Um.
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I mean yeah it does, unless that's not what they
want or unless you have like you can come up,
you could say, okay, these are your standard I think
everything is penetration. Like they definitely get like to penetrate
you and come one time in a standard booking. If
they want to come multiple times, then that's when you
start adding on taxes, like oh you want to you
want to kiss me on my mouth, that's an extra,
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or whatever you want to um, you know you want
to be pegged, that's an extra. Whatever you want to
go down on me, that's like triple right. So but
the basic is like massage, oral sex. You know you
want to come five times, that's gonna cost you more.
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Damn how much would it cost to come five times?
What got time? But most of them don't. Most of
them are just like you know, an average, Like I
think the lowest booking you could do was at this
particular one thirty minutes. You know, within twelve minutes your
work is done. Just like lay there and like talk
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and whatever. So walk us through your first day? And
how are you with filling my god? Okay, were you
hiding your first day? I probably did smoke. I went
in ive a lot of weed. Um let's see, remember
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I got there, Um I had, you know, went in before,
introduced myself to the paperwork, went to the doctor the
next day, came back and I think my shift was
like early shift. Eventually I like switched over to like
a later like a tend to like tend to six
kind of shift or something, yeah, like an overnight thing.
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But before I think my first few shifts were like
five or six pm and then stayed till like one
or midnight or two. Really stay as long as you
want there, like you just I mean there were rules,
but like they didn't not tell you when to work
or how long. So um, first day I go in
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there and like they line, you know, you wait in
the room, the lounge, you're like talking the girls, and
they have like computer or TV screens on the mountain
on the wall with the camera that faces the front door.
And like all the cameras, you can see what's going
on all times. Um, son, Like someone will walk in
and you can see who walks in before they even
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know you're there, just in case you don't want to
see somebody. So wait, is there cameras in the room?
Not in the rooms where you do your bookings, but
in the hallways. So customer comes in, they go into
the intro room and all the ladies line up. I
felt like I was at elementary school. You line up,
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you're all cute and ship like lin garette and heels
and then um, you just walk one at a time.
You go in the room, hime and even so and
so um, and you tell them like you're any specials
or any like deluxe experiences, Like obviously you're going to
get the basics, but like if you want anything more deluxe,
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this is what it is. This is what it will
cost you, and what's deluxe. So like I said before,
like if you um, oh no, no, like but when
it comes to like let's say you get a client,
do you have to do the deluxe or can you
customize you can do you can make yourself Like some
girls like, um, you know anal, so that's part of
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their deluxe. Like if you want to do anal like
that's deluxe. Or if you you know some girls, um
you know have toys or like do toys shows, like
just different types of things you would normally do and
like you know in the bedroom, just like you want
to take the basics like Dick and Vagina. That's what
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you pay for. If you want anything fun, anything more
than you can vagina, then you gotta upgrade. Um. So yeah,
the first customer was he was a little Indian van. Yeah,
he came in. I introduced myself. Um, then you just
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go and sit and then once he's met everybody, he'll
go to the front the desk and say, you know
who's interested in So then then they call you on
like the over uh the monitor or whatever the thing
is in and they called me up and I was like, oh,
it was like we want diamond I like my first book.
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Oh my god. So like you know, I wasn't nervous.
I was just like I was doing a lot of
mental checks, like okay, if this bird, if I feel
like really terrible about my life tomorrow morning, like I
won't do it again, like I know you would, like
you was like you're really about to do this? Yeah,
so because like you know, everyone wants to add Like
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I mean, I've had casual sex before, I've had i'm sex.
You know, I've had like couple when I saying, you know,
whatever your life. Um, but this was like a complete
and I've you know, I've been in this situation where
I meet someone, I show off how cute I am
and they give me money. But in a strip club, right,
so it's different. They're taking you for a lap dance,
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not to have sex, right, So to be taken upstairs
and then go have sex with someone that I just met,
it was like, um so anyway you say we went upstairs.
All the rooms have this little light that extends off
the wall, like a little tiny little light light kind
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of and they have you to do a health check.
So you bring the customer over and you gotta check
is good. You gotta like use the light to like
make sure like this balls look good as thick looks good,
like there's nothing crazy, it doesn't smell weird, like and
if it looks um no, no, it wasn't not this guy. Um.
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And then if you see if you look at someone
sick and you're like, I don't want to have sex
with you, like you can literally turn them down. You
can even call in another girl and hey, yo, come
look at this, like right thing? Would you do it?
Like okay, now okay, like you can really funk with them,
like oh go ahead, God, I I suck that, get it.
But you do all that and it's like, you know,
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it's kind of awkward because you're like playing a doctor
real quick. And then the customer goes and take a shower.
They have to shower, even if they just came from
home and shower before they came, like they have to shower. Um.
And then while they do that, I go downstairs. I
collect my money, I collect you know, any lub condoms
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um back to put trash, uh anything else. Um. And
then you go back upstairs. Said I get up there
and he's like, this is an Indian man, like he
cooks Indian food. I know you're going with that. You
can smell it. Like when I first, like before he
got in the shower, I was like, all right, I
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can I can deal with that. And in my my
other job, I get very close to people too, but
not in a sexual way. So I I know bodies.
I know, um you know, working in like fitness and
that kind of stuff and working with kids, like people
have smells and like I close with people. So like,
it wasn't that crazy, but I was. I didn't even
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think it didn't occur to me before like work started,
I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna be sleeping with
all types of people. Yeah I'm not. You're just regular,
regular like people of this country, but like from all
all over, Um, you can't like most people, you won't
sleep with someone if they don't look good. You know,
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you're not attracted to their face and their body. So
I like, because I I've already danced and like experienced
that where um, choosing people not based on their looks
and you know, my preferences and can still have a
good time. Um, it was kind of easy to make
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that transition, like to just you know, we can either
be dancing or having sex and it's quick. It's always quick,
you know, it's always quicky, and then that and that's
how you get them too, because when it's quick, they
want to go again. Then they got to pay up right,
you gotta know how to put down on them. But okay, listen,
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I know that pussy over there. I can do some
things way. So once you're done, like like, how was
that experienced? Like once she was like when you was
like going through through with it, Like where were you thinking?
So when I with this particular customer or like I
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remember I had I brought him in, I said, oh,
would you're like a massage, Like I don't even give massages,
but it just like kills time put them on their stomach,
You're like massage and the back. He was so hairy. Umh,
I don't mind, but it was just like this is different,
like you're like sitting on this person like massaging them
and like working them. Um I'm I wasn't necessarily like
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turned on, but like you, I kind of learned to
get turned on by the idea of it all, you know,
just like mentally it's this is stimulating. I'm like about
to like shut it down on this guy this amount
of dollars and like I don't have to talk to
him embering it right, you know, so but it's doing
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going through it. It was, um, I was just thinking
like I was thinking like doing a mental checklist, like
is this okay for you? Like, um, are you out?
Like just kind of like making sure I'm like in
a good headspace, which I was, um, and then just
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like thinking of like how do you make this like
a really unforgettable experience so they want to come back
so you can create Like I was just kind of
like working up a game plan like how does this
How can I use my skills from like club life
and light over here and like and build your client
Tello Yeah, and just like get and and I feel
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like I'm having fun. It's not just like a robotic
thing like you gotta right ah. But yeah, afterwards, like
it last, it was very short and then afterwards we
just talked and I told him I was like, oh,
you know, you're my first customer like in the United States.
He's like, oh my god, we did so good, Like
that was great. Um, And of course they're telling you
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how beautiful you are and cool you are, like a
lot of people want to know, like, especially because I
wasn't from that country, They're like, what are you doing here?
Like so then you're like telling stories and like it's fun,
but I also feel like it's kind of intimate too,
like it is, yeah, and not just intimate sexually, but
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like yeah, because you're like shutting off from the whatever
it is that these people come in for. Like a
lot of them are coming after work, before work, after
a night out at the bar. Like you just went
out with your boys. You don't want to harass. But
like if you don't have harass people at the bar
and try to get to come sleep with you and
then deal with that in the morning, you just want
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to like go bust night and like go home, Like
why not go down the street to this place and
meet someone that you can interact with for thirty minutes
because that's really all you need, yeah, and be on
your way. So there were you know, a lot of
I've had a lot of good conversations. Um silly, you
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know people are people are great. It's how I know
you from North Because you want to say harassed bitches?
I did. I did, Like come on, bitch, you know
how we talk of her? Oh I don't you know
other people that's not that's we don't say things like
that anymore. But yeah, like so up North, like bitches
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is like saying niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not trying
to be mean, like yeah, so if she slip up, y'all,
it's it's a term of endear me because I said,
I always say bitches. Yeah yeah, I'm not trying to
be like you know right what you Then there were rules?
What were the rules at the brothels? Um, let's see
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what were the rules? No unprotected sex? Definitely, it really like,
you know, no unprotected sex. Um, I really think that's it.
Like no drugs obviously, like no drugs, you know, alcohol.
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There were some brothels that did have like bars like
downstairs and like they allowed drinking, but not all of
them were the same. So the one I was in,
you know, no drinks unless someone's like they're coming in
there paying for the Like hey, this guy is coming,
he's paying me x amount of dollars. He wants to
bring champagne. He's gonna be here for four hours, you
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know what I mean? But um, you know I've had
people come in with like their weed pen and like
you know, I've had people's smoked cigarettes. You know, you're
not supposed to be girls. But as far as like
rules on what you did behind your closed door, like
you could really do whatever you want, like you know,
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as long as you weren't doing anything illegal, like illegal
drugs and you know, like that's it where you don't
want me black girl there, No, there was there were
a few. Um two of them were African, but they
lived in that country. I think there was another African
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American and they're like at one point, um, but no,
I wasn't. Um, there's girls from all over and like
I was so nervous. I thought they were all going
to be like these bombshell like big titty, like you
know white girl are like from Eastern Europe or something,
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and they I mean there were a lot of the
girls in there were like, um, a lot of them
were gay mm hmm um and had girlfriends. But they
did this for work. Yeah, Um didn't even think that.
Um there were yeah right, I'm like, okay, so you
(29:52):
I get it though you don't like dick romantically, but
you'll take dig and like perform for money and for
a job and like you know a lot of like
hate men. They're gonna like lead them all do whatever.
So but they got would be somewhat confusing because you
can't control the body if it reacts a certain way.
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And I do remember talking to one girl and she
said she connects better with women. She's always loved women. Um.
But she also like, was you know a dancer and
um moved over into the brotheld And then being that
it's it doesn't it's looked at differently in the country
that they're in. It was kind of like, ah, it's
(30:38):
just like another gig. You know, you kind of look
at sex as um, Like sometimes I look at it
as like a sport, Like I'm performing a sport um
with an end goal. My end goal is to get
this person off and like have as much fun in
this chunk of time. And it's not like you got
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to be able to take away like the romantic part
of it in the you know, sexes only for reprocreating, right, Um.
But yeah, and what was your schedule like, because I
know you said that you shouldn't you change your shift,
but I did you do this every day? Or Um?
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I worked? It depends Like some weeks I would work
maybe three days or three nights. I worked. In the
beginning it was like five, I would go in at five,
and then eventually I started working like ten to two. Um.
There were times where you would just be like I
have pulled twelve hour days. There there were some times
where I was like I lost track of time and
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you're just in it, and like even if you're not
working the whole time, like you might sit there and
like i'd bring my laptop so it's like, all right, well,
no one's coming in right now, it's kind of dead.
I'm just gonna sit here for three hours. I'm like okay, um,
and then someone might pop in, like and just to
funk around because no one knows me out here. I
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don't have a life. I do what I want. I'm traveling.
There were times when I just being there all day
and I'm just like, all right, you tell down to
the desk, like, I'm off for a couple of hours.
I'm gonna take a nap up in one of these
here rooms, right, I'm gonna run out and get some lunch.
I'll be back, um, and if someone comes in, you'll
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be like, okay, yeah, put me back in the rotation
or whatever, like whatever. But my skin, you kind of
made your own schedule. Um. It was tough though, Like
I will say, you know, we're meant to sleep at
night and be up during the day, so it was tough.
Trying to be productive during the day and like work
out and all that, and then go into work at
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ten and then get off when the sun's coming up.
But then like when you get up or when you
get off, sometimes you can't make it sleep right away.
So now you're out eleven and now you're like, funk,
I didn't sleep and I gotta work and get ready
at set. You know, like, well yankee for a minute, um,
but then you just take days off, right. Did you
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feel like it was a competitive spirit there because I
can only imagine how many girls were there. No, not
at all, And that's why I was so chill, because
at the you know, if you're in a club, you're competing,
you're up, you're walking around, you gotta get But here
you just go in. Anybody, anybody this is being anybody
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want okay, cool, I'll be over here. Call me. Like
you don't have to like convince anybody anything, because I mean,
guys just want to get off, even when you're telling
them you're special at your services, like they don't give
a funk, like come on, I'll give you the extra
whatever dollars anyway, just like and go yeah, like you
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know what I mean. So it wasn't. And then you know,
the girls were there. Was never like oh she's sleeping
with my customer or whatever, not that I experienced. You know,
the times you have someone that will sleep with one
girl and then go right back downstairs and pick another
one and just like get like three of them in
real quick and go home. Yeah damn. So what did
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a good week look like for you? Um, a good week?
And the most I made in one week was about
and that was maybe like four shifts, I want to say,
like eight thousand dollars, nine thousand dollars, eight thousand dollars
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before Niga's oh no night, nights, nights, days, four days.
I mean, that's so good though, eight dollars dollars. I
made a lot of money in a very short amount
of time when I was over there, and obviously when
I you know, didn't convert to what it, you know, whatever,
the money, you know, the conversion kind of made it
(34:54):
look like less. But for what I'm over there, you know,
doing I'm traveling, I'm not literally just hanging out people
at night. And right, so wait, so how much because
you was there for three months? How much did you
make it three months? Oh? Yeah, frus no. But now
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I'm getting I just got to be after this episode,
but just gonna be at the brothels man out. I
want to say in that three months time, I mean
about like thirty thirty five thousand dollars what which converted
to twentysome thousand maybe a little less now I don't
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know what it would convert to because this was years ago,
but um, yeah it was it was lit How much
did you have to pay the Bronthel Like, how is
that system set up? So they would, um, you'd have
your set whatever the price was, and just like at
the club, they get a certain percentage um right then
whatever you the upgrade, if a customer does the deluxe
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or upgrade, you keep all that, you know or any
to keep all that. So sometimes you might just get
a basic you know booking, and then by the end
of it, you've made like an extra couple hundred or
you know, extra to here, extra whatever. They're just in
tips and you know, talking having a conversation, the person
might be like, oh, you're cool, here's an extra hundred,
get your nails something like. But the club had their
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set percentage that they would take, which was it was fair.
It wasn't as much. Um, because I know in Nevada
they take like they do fifty person off at won't
know it was less than that, Like I wouldn't have
been Nevada, Like I don't. I've never worked in the
US doing that. This was just a moment in my experiences.
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But I feel like what I've heard about Nevada is
it's very like I always hear negative things, like they
take a lot of money you have to like they
make you work, Like I always hear negative things. Yeah,
like I'm not gonna say the own their name, but
this nigga is taking you absolutely not. Yeah, I work
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that was owned by a woman. M whe there you go,
you know, owned by a woman. I did work. Um,
I went to another city one weekend and worked at
a different place. Um, they took a little bit more money.
I think it was run by men. It was just
like different. I feel like I got really lucky with
the place I went to was so laid back and
(37:31):
chill and like well that ran it were just chill
like you. Then when I went to the other one,
it was in like another you know, another city. I'm like, hmm,
I wonder what the rest of them are like if
I go to the city or that city, like, are
they more like in your pockets and in your ship?
But you blessed with a good one. Yeah, So what
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are some things that you wouldn't do? Um? So I
am not a fan of like anal. Yeah, I didn't
do an anal. No. I I am not um kind
of thing. No anal. I mean as far as like
any of the um like the fetish stuff like or
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like whips and chains, and I like, you know, you
can like tie me up a little bit. I don't
mind like certain things like that, but you know, I
feel like anal was the biggest and I didn't let
people go down on me. Um. Yeah, certain people, like
there were people that were recurring customers or like you know,
you just get like a feeling and you're just like funking.
I trust it and then you you don't regret it. Um,
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but not not every person could, like you know, and
I didn't. I didn't kiss unless like they paid me extra. Yeah.
It's hard to like have sex if you're not kissing. Right.
Oh wow, yeah, just kissing that's kind of intimate. So
you don't know what niggas mouths men, right, and like
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we did provide like toothbrushes and flaws and like mouthwash
in the rooms too. Um, but yeah, anything else I
wouldn't do. I don't think so really just like animal um.
But when they go down or are they use because
they have like condoms for the tongue, right, they have
dental damns. Yeah, yeah, they do have gentle dams. So
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what type of clients did you have? I'm like, but
who knows? So everybody, like, I mean, they were like
I took a lot of virginityes I did. I took
a lot of virginities. Um, people coming from the office,
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people coming from school, people that just everyday, people just
coming and going. Um, I mean people from India, Asia, Africa,
all over the world. You know. I'm a lot of
people didn't know where I was from, like by looking
at me, because then they're like, oh, I guess I
gotta find out. But yeah, just people you know, young, old,
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not too I don't think I really had been with
anyone like super old, but like all I would say
between the ages of eighteen, which you had to be
to get in and like yeah sixty five, so um yeah,
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people from from all over really just every day and
then you'd be like tang like everyday people and they
just walking down the street and they go on this
building and here, and they're getting their dicks. Like that's crazy.
And then we too, Like I would leave work and
just be a regular as bitch, and like you know,
I'd get off early, so I go get breakfast and
like go do some errands, and I'd just be out
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and about, Like no one even knows that I was
just up like sucking ten different people last night. That's
just crazy to think about. Like what I'm saying, you
just can't judge a book by its cover, Like, oh, wow,
how many pretty dicks have you seen? I know you've
seen a lot of. Yes, I would say I saw
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more not so good ones, like not like there are
some pretty ones, but um, a lot of like different
shapes and sizes. And I think I want to write
a book about this or like make something about this
because there's so many deck sizes. Like you know, you
have the ones that like go in like like any
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belly like any auty kind of situation. Um, they're usually
found on people that have a little bit more like
belly fat and like the pupa area. Um, you know,
I wish I could see our faces. Uh, but yeah,
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a lot of because of you know, I wasn't in
the the u US, A lot of people were not circumcised,
which I mean I've I've dealt with that like in
my personal life before, like um not had a partner,
you know, way before I was working at Raffalo that
wasn't circumcised. Um. There's a lot of that. Um No.
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I don't know if I like any extra meat town. Yeah,
you know, sometimes it's a lot like help girl and
like I hate stereotis and ship. But I had a
guy from Africa already knew it and oh my god,
like we had to cancel because it just wasn't going in, yeah,
(42:41):
because it's too goddamn big on that extra me. It
was so big we had we had to cancel um
and he just went on and like picked somebody else.
But it was just like, I mean, it was like,
oh my god, now we have to discrond how big
is that? That's like, uh like the size of the
uh ar a Mason jar Um opening. Oh he want
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to fuck your ship? I know. I was just like
it's you know, loub and all that. I like, it
got in the shower. I'm like, listen, na money back.
I don't know what to tell you. What was your
favorite experience? Oh? Um? Oh he was in love with
this one. And I only remem because I just I
(43:31):
was just writing about it the other day or like
rereading some of the stuff that I've been writing. So
I'm writing a book about this, um and about my
basically taking my journal entries from that time and turning
them into like short stories. Oh yeah, how Abria can
support That's amazing. So um, I had someone he I
(43:55):
don't even I don't know his name, like he was
never seen him before, just uh came in at like
five thirty, strolling in in the morning, just like I
just remember being like half awake and like, oh, there's
someone here. They want to hang okay, And it was
just like the energy that went between us, it was
(44:18):
like something I had and experienced and this was a stranger.
So it was just like like we barely even spoke
words to each other, but we just had like this
really good energy and like I like broke the rules,
like I let him go down on me because I
was just like, uh, I just remember being mesmerized. After
he left, he was like he was Greek um and
(44:41):
he had like uh oh he was cute too. He
was Greek, really cute. Um barely spoke any words, like
we barely exchanged words. It was just like energy and
I'll never forget that. And like when he when he left,
I think he was going he worked in like like
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construction or something where you get up early as hell,
Like he's up early, he's going into work. He had
like a like a vest, like a bright orange like
you know, like that's or something like work boots like
steel so boots. And he came in for forty five
minutes and yeah, that was it was like a thief
(45:22):
in the night or some ship. You just came in like, oh,
I know what happened. He made me square all over
the plane. Oh wow, grinned. Yeah, it was yeah, I
forgot to throw that in there that I had like
an amazing orgasm. It was just like and you know,
I don't you don't really have them when you're I
mean I didn't have them every time. It was just
(45:42):
kind of like, you know, get you off and get
you on your way. But to be able to have
like a really good one, and it was like I
had to like flip the mattress when I was done,
and like notify the front desk, like you may want
to get someone up there. You should have been giving
him some money, like show me t if you come back.
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You ever come back? I never saw him again. That
was towards the end of my time there. So um,
maybe within a few weeks I was like that done
exploring that country, but never came back. Um. Wow, there
was a few. There were a few where it was
just like like just really nice or like the conversation
(46:28):
was cool, and then they end up extending their stay
and next thing, you know, just like lying around, like
not even having actually like laying around and like talking
and laughing and like being ridiculous and then right, nice
to meet you, have a nice day. What was your
worst experience? Oh man, let's see my worst I would
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I can't think of any in particular, but I do
know that there were times where it was like if
someone came in and they were just super wasted. It's
like Friday night, like three am and they're coming in
with all their boys and like you know, it's when
people are just like trying to kiss you and then
you don't want them to kiss you, and I just
need to get sunk out of here, or like you
(47:14):
got cooked dick now and here you are, right, how
was my problem? If you got to go you're cooked,
is now my issue? Like? Um, those like more like
annoying occurrences where you get like, yeah, someone that's just
like off their ship. You're like, would you write? Or
(47:35):
then they don't come You're like, all right, well, I
don't no one told you to come in here with
whiskey eggs, Like I don't I know what's say? You know,
I feel like when you think about like sex prothos,
I feel like they get a really bad rep And
I also think it depends on how you view things
and with everything that's going on and just your views
on sex and every and when it comes to sex work.
(47:57):
But I feel like for the most part the research
I've been reading and I feel like a lot of
women are saying like they feel safe and protected. Yeah,
I mean, because you can easily go do that job
and work out of a motel or a hotel or
your house or like I know, I've known new of
girls in the clubs that would like you know, sell
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themselves in the clubs even like to or meet people
later and like she gets this, she gets sketchy. You know,
but you're in an establishment where it's protected. There's security cameras,
not in your room, but there's cameras, and uh, people
know that if they go in there and start acting up,
they're going to get arrested and thrown out. So it's
(48:39):
like you're only dealing with people that are safe. Right,
You're safe as long as you're in that space. That Now,
if you decide you want to meet someone you met
at work outside of work, now that's on your not
saying that we weren't allowed to. But Wen, they can't
protect you if you're not on their operating right. Yeah,
(49:02):
and what made you decide to leave? Um, I was
I was going coming back to the United States anyway,
Like my visa was up, I was coming back to
the States. But yeah, it was it was experienced, so
I wouldn't have been legally allowed to work anyway. Mm hmm.
Would you go back? Hell? Yeah, I almost went back. Um,
(49:26):
a couple of years ago, I called, I'm like, Yo,
this is someone so I remember I was there a
two thousand and whatever. Um, I'm like, if I come over,
but I don't have to work visa, like can I
still work? They're like, we would love to have you
because you're amazing, but that's illegal, right right, Like alright, fine,
(49:50):
but if you wasn't good done a visa back, I mean,
if I could, like now at this stage in my life,
I don't, I don't know, like I think it was.
That was more of like like I wouldn't move my
life over there to go do that. Like that was
more of like in the moment while I'm here, I
was allowed to go down, let me give it a go. Um,
(50:16):
But now no, mm hmm. And is it hard for
you to be intimate in your personal life? No? No,
I feel like, um, I feel like that I learned
so much from that job about myself, about my stance
(50:37):
on like sexual empowerment. I learned a lot about men,
about their bodies, about like I mean, because you're sitting there,
you're talking to people about their relationships sometimes and it's like,
you know, I feel like all of the experiences I've
had in you know, in the club and in that
environment has really built like this confidence and like I
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don't even know what the word I'm looking for is,
but you know, when I'm in my personal situations like
I know how to make people feel good. I know
what I like to feel good. It feels good to
make people feel good. It feels good knowing that people
think you look good and feel good, you know what
I mean, Like that it's easting. Yeah. So, last, but
(51:27):
not least, what would you say is the biggest lesson
you've learned about men from working at the sex brothel? Um,
they're simple mm hmmm, um, simple last niggas. Simple last
niggas I want and I don't even want to like
simple as like oh my god, you're stupid, but like, no,
I'm not gonna say stupid in many ways, Um, what's
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the biggest thing I've learned? Because I know you had
like a lot of like oh my god, like ah
ha moments. I think I learned more about myself too. Um,
but I would say, like for men, Yeah, they're they're simple,
Like they need certain things. Um, a lot of them
(52:15):
view sex in a way that they don't live. Like
a lot of them, you know, might be you know, relationship,
I don't want to say a lot, but it might
be in a monogamous relationship. But like to them, like
sex is like okay, like it's not just for one person.
Like I've had those conversations where people are like, yeah,
like I don't know, I'm married, I love my wife,
(52:37):
like it's just sex. Like a lot of people have
that view, which I did not really think that way.
I think I think that men were thinking that way.
M Maybe it was the cultures I was dealing with
two and like just being in a different country. But
you know, you had a lot of people that were not,
you know, single, right, But does that make you look
(52:58):
at men differently? Mm hmm, not really, because I feel
like not everything is like black and white. Everything nothing
is or isn't. It's just it's gray, you know. Um,
I can't. I can't judge people by what they want
(53:19):
to do, what they do, you know, whether they're cheating
or just fulfilling a need or whatever. Like I try
really hard to just be like it is what it is, Like,
that's what you're doing. I can't say if I look
at you differently, like it is what it is? Right? Okay, Last,
and at least again, looks the biggest thing you learned
about yourself? Then, um, see the biggest thing I learned
(53:44):
about myself. Dang, there's something I want to say some things,
but I mean this is anonymous. The biggest thing I
learned about myself is that I my experiences have definitely
(54:07):
affected me being a sex worker, whether it was dancing
or that little stint of brothel, like, it definitely changes,
um my view on like you know, relationships, gender, roles,
sex like everything, and um, I'm learning how to navigate
that and I'm learning how to how do I put
(54:29):
other people in my life? Um, you know, in a
romantic way, or it doesn't have to be a romantic way.
Like I've been really learning about like who am I
as a partner or as a you know, lover or whatever? Um, no,
you got found on it? Come on now because you
(54:53):
know I'm over Like, come on, I'm a man eater.
M hmm that's what That's what comes to mind first,
But it sounds negative, so I need to change that term. Um.
I definitely have learned how to get what I want
(55:13):
right with what I got right sexual for him, um,
and just really trying to like and this is why
I'm writing that book too, because it's like there's so much,
there's so much to unpack, like what is you know,
what is the calous? Like why why did I why
(55:34):
did I jump into the sex life in the first place? Um,
But doing the work and then seeing the way it
affects the people I work with, it's like it's all good, right.
Where do you think that's them from? Though? That's funny.
I was thinking about that when I was just today
when I was like thinking about this interview, and like,
because I figured you to ask me that question, like
(55:56):
where you get the bottom of it? Yeah, um, I
don't know, but I wrote it down because that's definitely
something I want to talk to my UM, my therapist,
my spiritual healer. I don't think it's I feel like
it doesn't come from a most people would think, you know,
strippers and sex orders, they they have like a void
that they're trying to fill so that they go into
(56:19):
these this line of work and they're trying to get
something they got daddy issues or like whatever, and it's
like or they need to feel loved or like I
don't even I don't think it's any of that, you know.
I think it just stems from like knowing, um, like
having that like sexual power, knowing where women you know,
as women were always put down and we're you know,
(56:43):
told we can't do something, and you know, men get
to do everything and to be able to just like yeah,
be in control and like so many different ways. Um,
you know, in the bed, outside of the bed and
the club out. It is just like it feels good,
you know, Like I don't think it comes from lacking
(57:03):
love or lacking you know, something, or like running away
from something like I think it's literally just like I'm
the fucking ship. You know. I'm thinking about it too,
because you know, I go I haven't going to therapy
on and off over six years. I love my therapist. Yeah,
and you know a lot of things that we like
(57:25):
to do, it does them from somewhere We just don't
know until we like really like it's the reason why
you want to be in control and you like how
it makes you feel, and like you know, it's easy.
You ain't gonna deal with people. You just get what
you want to keep it moving. Mm hmm. Then it
comes to fine line where it's like is it healthy though? Yeah?
And see that's where I I always make sure, you know,
(57:49):
as I go through life and do certain things, I
do stop and I reflect a lot, you know, just
going you know, is this gonna mess me? Up like
is this unhealthy? Like how will this affect me? Later
my first night at the Propo, I literally went home
and I wrote about it, and I was just like,
you know, we'll come back to this, Let's see how
(58:09):
I feel and like and going through my journal and
reading like you know where I was at those times,
like it seemed pretty you know, I seemed pretty healthy
and like in control. You know, sometimes you think you're
in control, but you're actually out of control. You and
the most ship like there be times like I'm not
doing the most. I don't think so I think we're good. Right, Well,
(58:33):
I'm just curious. How did you sibilant your sibilants know
about this? Right mm hmmm um So I told them
like years later, like after um, there's like okay, Like
my sister, one of my sisters was like, oh yeah,
I mean I kind of figure like I didn't doubt it.
I wasn't like assuming, but like um, and they're just
(58:56):
like yeah, why not, like if that's if it's not
illegal and you feel good about it as long as
you're safe. Yeah, And it's like for me, like I
don't know if I could that could be my career.
Like I met women who have been doing every like
ten years, Like, I don't know if I can. That's
a lot of nick. You take breaks. You make good money,
(59:16):
and you take breaks too. I mean that's what I
do with dancing. I would make good money and then
I take like six months off and other projects and
other jobs. But um, yeah, the siblings were like, you know,
more power to you. They ain't gonna line to be
a lot of sex workers. Man. And the money, Oh
my god, amazing. Yeah, it's it's not bad, you know.
(59:41):
I mean you do have your your seasons where it's
not as lucrative, but that's any other sales job, I guess,
or service job. So well, I appreciate you coming on
the show and share your story. I mean, I know
this is gonna do numbers. I don't know too many
(01:00:02):
people that's interviewing women of color. Yeah, money, this is true. Um,
I just want you know, it's important, Like I said before,
it's important to have these conversations and like just put
things out there because people have questions, people make assumptions
about everything about all the topics that that you've brought on,
(01:00:25):
and just you know, clear the air for anything, or
just say like, hey, here's my experience. Like whatever you
saw on TV or whatever Netflix show you were watching
might not depict right. So wait, do you think that
one day sex brothels will be more legal and more states?
I hope. So I mean, listen, PhD, don't work out, y'all.
(01:00:50):
You need a madam. We're about to open a brothel list.
Okay's so funny. I do want to interview a madam.
Yeah right, it's gonna happen though, because I feel like
I'm getting closer and closer to um certain people and
my my friends there are sex workers hold down, So
I'm like, come on, y'all, Okay, I don't know, see,
(01:01:11):
I don't know any any like uh, you know Bronthels
in the US. Yeah, overseas, but they out here, I'm
sure to see. I feel like a lot of them
might be on some illegal but this is anonymous, so
it's fine. Yeah, and then I probably have to um
alter their voice for protection reason. You can do that. Yeah,
(01:01:32):
I can figure it out. You trying to miss? I know, right,
you know I'm taken down, right, but yeah, I appreciate you,
and I'm definitely when you are ready to show your book,
I hope I'm one of the first people to read. Yeah,
definitely coming back on the show. I'm trying to get
it done. I think next year it'll be it'll be
(01:01:54):
out there. Yes, yes, But if y'all have any questions
or comments, like a service so you want to say
hey girl, hey, please email me at hello at the
PSD podcast dot com. And until next time, everyone later, bye.
Practice safe sex. Yes, don't don't let these niggas that
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all of my guests are nonnes So let's again this
week's episode. So I am super excited about this episode
because my guests from episode one, sixties five, I had
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multiple abortions hit me up in my d M saying
that she is ready to share her story about working
at a six BROTHO. Now remind y'all, I was high
as hell often edible, so I was like, wait, what happened? Yeah?
It took me so long though, says what you said,
because I'm like, wait, what did she say? Oh my god?
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Once again, thank you so much for sharing your story. Again,
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me. I
love the conversations you have. I feel like I'm a
part of them when I listened to your show so right, yeah,
just like girl talk and life talk and stuff. It's
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given Oprah from the hood, yes, you know, like new
aged Oprah, like it's given Karasha before Karasa. Right, Yeah,
I love it. So thank you again for having me
back of course, So what made you want to share
your story? Well, um, I've been writing about my story
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for a while now. Yeah, and you know, like being
a little more open about experiences and like processing different things,
and it's just such a great like, I mean, people,
there's there are these are things people don't know, if
people don't think about, and I feel like I have
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a movie on my hands. But anyway, Yeah, it's just
a good topic. It's it's a it's a hush hush
taboo topic, and I live a life that like people
don't even know. Yeah, I always say one of my
favorite things about the professional home Girl is one of
the main reasons why I encourage people to share these stories,
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because you never know how your storyline can be somebody
else's lifeline exactly. Yeah. So that's that's what's up. That's fire.
M So, what were your thoughts on sex workers Before
you worked in a brothel? Um, Before I worked at
a brothel, I was a dancer. M So I worked
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in strip clubs. Um, I had been doing it maybe
a few years prior. So it's always been like a
green light. You know. Sex workers are real workers. They
get do a service, just like anybody else. Right, Yeah,
I got to hang out with you, man, because man,
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you just never know who you'd be talking to these days.
I feel like you lived the full life. I definitely
have lived a full life. Um. I started dancing when
I was Uh, let's say, I've been doing it for
a number of years, longer than I ever thought I
would be. Right, Oh, you know, typical like college life,
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like you need to make money and got paid to
bills whatever. Um it's given diamonds. Yeah, the names overall
overall yeah, um, but yeah, it was always something I was,
you know, growing up. You know the stigma is, you know,
strippers are bad, sex wortive at all, that negativity. But
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you know I didn't have that outlook on it even
before I was you know, a dancer, Like I respected it,
like it's a great hustle. It's empowering, like if you're hot, right,
I want to actually what your name was, but you
could tell me off the air. It's a good one. People. Oh,
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I know, it's a good one. So what are your
thoughts on decriminalizing sex work? Oh? Man, I really it's
like it's not a thing yet, Like why why are
we still dealing with this? Um? But then again in
this country we live in and it's not surprising. But
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again I feel like it's it's a real job. Like
people who do it on the low here in the
United States, like you know, they could it could lead
the like sex trafficking and like abuse and like just
being desploited and if you're in control all of what
you do and the law backs you up. It's safer,
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it just makes more sense. Um. But because it's you know,
it's not really looked at as a traditional profession, and
I mean it is the oldest profession. You know. It's
like going to get a haircut, I need like titties
in my face, or I need a pedicure, or I
need yeah, like any of those things that I could
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need today and I could pay to get all those
awesome Did your friends know about this? Yeah? So my
I told my friends. Let's see, they knew I danced,
like when I first started dancing. They knew that was
a thing, like my siblings working at a brothel. This
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happened when I was out of the country. Um, so
nobody knew about it. Eventually, I let, you know, certain
people know just because you know, there's so many cool
things to talk about, and it's like you have all
these fun secrets and you can't have these conversations because
you're afraid. Like, look that my friends love me. They
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know who I am. But yes, now most of like
my close friends, they know. What were their reaction? Um,
let's see, I don't think they were surprised. It was
cool most because like you know, I go a little
outside the box and a lot of things. So I
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don't even think it was a surprise. It was more
just like oh wow, like let's hear the juicy details,
like oh god, like how did you know? Like how
did that make you feel? How did that work for you?
Like yeah, but you know, people figure it out. They
really want to know, like all the good details, because
you know, I want to know all the detail. I'm
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just warming up. How long did you work there? Oh,
let me thig So I want to say a total
of like three months. I was abroad. I'm not going
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to say which country, but in the country I was
abroad certain areas it was legal and they had like establishments,
and I danced over in that country as well. But
then it's like I was just so curious and like, dude,
you just gotta try it. So I did it for
about three months. So how did you end up there? Like? Google?
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You know, I did a little Google search. I read
some reviews of different um establishments. I read like blogs
from other sex workers and other countries and other you know,
just other cities and kind of get a feel for
like the culture as far as like what you can
see line like you know, like answer questions and I yeah,
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I jumped on the tram and took myself down there. Um.
And it was interesting, you know, not knowing because when
you're a dancer, you just go into a club and
you say, hey, I would like to dance on your
stage this evening, so um, and you know, most of
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the time they audition you a lot of times. Most
of the times they do, they'll be like all right,
let me see you do a dance or something, or
like oh you're hot, come on and like whatever. But
I didn't know, like cheap the audition for this yo.
That's my next question, like did you have to? Like
because when I was doing research on this, because there
are popular sex workers, they talk about their journey and
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working at sex prothos and I was like, damn, like
some of them have to like audition, some of them
had to like fut an application, go on an interview.
So what was that process like? So the place I
went to, um, I just went in and spoke with
the what's she called, not the house mom, the head bitch. Um. Yeah. Yeah,
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I went to speak to her and she she was
like she looked like a lunch lady. Like I'm like
how are you here? Like what what is this? It
was so crazy. It's like this nice little lady like
have you done this? Oh you're from America, Like that's great,
it's different, it's legal like whatever. So I went in
and I think I filled out paperwork. Nothing crazy, just
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like basic like you know information. Um. And they have
to do a background check on YouTube. Right, they didn't
do a background check on me. UM. I did have
a visa for that country, so that they saw the visa. UM,
and then they gave me paperwork to go to the
doctor and get a physical and SCD check against test
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all that, right. Yeah. And then after you had like
a week or so to get that paperwork in and
then you can get to work. Oh wow, And are
there gonna requirements? Because I know when I was reading
about brothels in Nevada, they were saying how you couldn't
have any felonies or anything on your record within a
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certain time frame. So because of the visa I had, UM,
because the visa I had just to be in that country,
I couldn't be there with felonies. So maybe that like
for them was like you know, you're in the clear,
You're eligible to be here you're different, you know, from
a different nation. But as far as like their rules,
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I don't know, Like I don't know, I'm sure in
that country it was it's like the same. You gotta
get a background check and a license and all that
at some point. Right, So what you saw that when
you walked into the bro though, like what did it
look like like do like a normal house or was
it like sexed out? The um? So it was like
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a house, this particular one. You go in and it
was a house that had two levels and then like
a kind of like a second and a half level anyway,
but it was like old old like dark paneling or
dark wallpaper. You walk in to one side, there's like
a room with bed, a bed in it and like
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you know, a shower and toilet and whatever. Straight ahead
was like the desk, and then like to the left
there was like the intro room where you like the
men would come in and sit in these two separate rooms.
There was like a woman's um like sitting area, not
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the dressing room, I guess, kind of like a dressing
room lounge had like a lounge like TV and like refrigerator, microwave,
and that's where the girls would hang on the couch
until your turn. Um. And yeah, you go upstairs and
it's just a bunch of rooms, a bunch of bedrooms.
And some of them had double beds. Some of them
had um, like your two king beds, and when just
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had like one king bed, you know. Some had like
big tubs. I just had stall showers. Yeah, every room
had a bathroom. Um, towels and blankets and all that.
And yeah, it was it was dark, like dark sexy
like I'm trying to picture it, like carpeted red carpeted floor.
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The red carpet wouldn't banister, like those were blacked out
so the light from the street couldn't come in. So
it had like a nice um, low warm vibe in there. Yeah,
it was. It was cozy, you know, music playing down
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the hallway. It's given cinemax poorn, yeah, yesh, Yeah, definitely
a porn on cinemax when you watching it like slow
and like smoky, right, right. Did you have to negotiate
the prices yourself with the clients or does the sex
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brought to do that for you? So they had um
set rates by time, and then there was like a
standard standard rate and then you can do like a deluxe, right,
So a standard booking is like I think it wasn't
like thirty min interviews. Standard booking would be like just
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like one round. So I don't even know how to
word it. Like they can come like one time, um
oral on the mail or on the customer with a
condom and um like a massage or whatever, like for
play or whatever. They don't have to be penetration. Um.
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I mean yeah it does, unless that's not what they
want or unless you have like you can come up,
you could say, okay, these are your standard I think
everything is penetration. Like they definitely get like to penetrate
you and come one time in a standard booking. If
they want to come multiple times, then that's when you
start adding on taxes, like oh you want to you
want to kiss me on my mouth, that's an extra,
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or whatever you want to um, you know you want
to be pegged, that's an extra. Whatever you want to
go down on me, that's like triple right. So but
the basic is like massage, oral sex. You know you
want to come five times, that's gonna cost you more.
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Damn how much would it cost to come five times?
What got time? But most of them don't. Most of
them are just like you know, an average, Like I
think the lowest booking you could do was at this
particular one thirty minutes. You know, within twelve minutes your
work is done. Just like lay there and like talk
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and whatever. So walk us through your first day? And
how are you with filling my god? Okay, were you
hiding your first day? I probably did smoke. I went
in ive a lot of weed. Um let's see, remember
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I got there, Um I had, you know, went in before,
introduced myself to the paperwork, went to the doctor the
next day, came back and I think my shift was
like early shift. Eventually I like switched over to like
a later like a tend to like tend to six
kind of shift or something, yeah, like an overnight thing.
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But before I think my first few shifts were like
five or six pm and then stayed till like one
or midnight or two. Really stay as long as you
want there, like you just I mean there were rules,
but like they didn't not tell you when to work
or how long. So um, first day I go in
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there and like they line, you know, you wait in
the room, the lounge, you're like talking the girls, and
they have like computer or TV screens on the mountain
on the wall with the camera that faces the front door.
And like all the cameras, you can see what's going
on all times. Um, son, Like someone will walk in
and you can see who walks in before they even
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know you're there, just in case you don't want to
see somebody. So wait, is there cameras in the room?
Not in the rooms where you do your bookings, but
in the hallways. So customer comes in, they go into
the intro room and all the ladies line up. I
felt like I was at elementary school. You line up,
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you're all cute and ship like lin garette and heels
and then um, you just walk one at a time.
You go in the room, hime and even so and
so um, and you tell them like you're any specials
or any like deluxe experiences, Like obviously you're going to
get the basics, but like if you want anything more deluxe,
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this is what it is. This is what it will
cost you, and what's deluxe. So like I said before,
like if you um, oh no, no, like but when
it comes to like let's say you get a client,
do you have to do the deluxe or can you
customize you can do you can make yourself Like some
girls like, um, you know anal, so that's part of
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their deluxe. Like if you want to do anal like
that's deluxe. Or if you you know some girls, um
you know have toys or like do toys shows, like
just different types of things you would normally do and
like you know in the bedroom, just like you want
to take the basics like Dick and Vagina. That's what
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you pay for. If you want anything fun, anything more
than you can vagina, then you gotta upgrade. Um. So yeah,
the first customer was he was a little Indian van. Yeah,
he came in. I introduced myself. Um, then you just
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go and sit and then once he's met everybody, he'll
go to the front the desk and say, you know
who's interested in So then then they call you on
like the over uh the monitor or whatever the thing
is in and they called me up and I was like, oh,
it was like we want diamond I like my first book.
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Oh my god. So like you know, I wasn't nervous.
I was just like I was doing a lot of
mental checks, like okay, if this bird, if I feel
like really terrible about my life tomorrow morning, like I
won't do it again, like I know you would, like
you was like you're really about to do this? Yeah,
so because like you know, everyone wants to add Like
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I mean, I've had casual sex before, I've had i'm sex.
You know, I've had like couple when I saying, you know,
whatever your life. Um, but this was like a complete
and I've you know, I've been in this situation where
I meet someone, I show off how cute I am
and they give me money. But in a strip club, right,
so it's different. They're taking you for a lap dance,
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not to have sex, right, So to be taken upstairs
and then go have sex with someone that I just met,
it was like, um so anyway you say we went upstairs.
All the rooms have this little light that extends off
the wall, like a little tiny little light light kind
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of and they have you to do a health check.
So you bring the customer over and you gotta check
is good. You gotta like use the light to like
make sure like this balls look good as thick looks good,
like there's nothing crazy, it doesn't smell weird, like and
if it looks um no, no, it wasn't not this guy. Um.
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And then if you see if you look at someone
sick and you're like, I don't want to have sex
with you, like you can literally turn them down. You
can even call in another girl and hey, yo, come
look at this, like right thing? Would you do it?
Like okay, now okay, like you can really funk with them,
like oh go ahead, God, I I suck that, get it.
But you do all that and it's like, you know,
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it's kind of awkward because you're like playing a doctor
real quick. And then the customer goes and take a shower.
They have to shower, even if they just came from
home and shower before they came, like they have to shower. Um.
And then while they do that, I go downstairs. I
collect my money, I collect you know, any lub condoms
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um back to put trash, uh anything else. Um. And
then you go back upstairs. Said I get up there
and he's like, this is an Indian man, like he
cooks Indian food. I know you're going with that. You
can smell it. Like when I first, like before he
got in the shower, I was like, all right, I
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can I can deal with that. And in my my
other job, I get very close to people too, but
not in a sexual way. So I I know bodies.
I know, um you know, working in like fitness and
that kind of stuff and working with kids, like people
have smells and like I close with people. So like,
it wasn't that crazy, but I was. I didn't even
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think it didn't occur to me before like work started,
I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna be sleeping with
all types of people. Yeah I'm not. You're just regular,
regular like people of this country, but like from all
all over, Um, you can't like most people, you won't
sleep with someone if they don't look good. You know,
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you're not attracted to their face and their body. So
I like, because I I've already danced and like experienced
that where um, choosing people not based on their looks
and you know, my preferences and can still have a
good time. Um, it was kind of easy to make
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that transition, like to just you know, we can either
be dancing or having sex and it's quick. It's always quick,
you know, it's always quicky, and then that and that's
how you get them too, because when it's quick, they
want to go again. Then they got to pay up right,
you gotta know how to put down on them. But okay, listen,
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I know that pussy over there. I can do some
things way. So once you're done, like like, how was
that experienced? Like once she was like when you was
like going through through with it, Like where were you thinking?
So when I with this particular customer or like I
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remember I had I brought him in, I said, oh,
would you're like a massage, Like I don't even give massages,
but it just like kills time put them on their stomach,
You're like massage and the back. He was so hairy. Umh,
I don't mind, but it was just like this is different,
like you're like sitting on this person like massaging them
and like working them. Um I'm I wasn't necessarily like
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turned on, but like you, I kind of learned to
get turned on by the idea of it all, you know,
just like mentally it's this is stimulating. I'm like about
to like shut it down on this guy this amount
of dollars and like I don't have to talk to
him embering it right, you know, so but it's doing
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going through it. It was, um, I was just thinking
like I was thinking like doing a mental checklist, like
is this okay for you? Like, um, are you out?
Like just kind of like making sure I'm like in
a good headspace, which I was, um, and then just
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like thinking of like how do you make this like
a really unforgettable experience so they want to come back
so you can create Like I was just kind of
like working up a game plan like how does this
How can I use my skills from like club life
and light over here and like and build your client
Tello Yeah, and just like get and and I feel
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like I'm having fun. It's not just like a robotic
thing like you gotta right ah. But yeah, afterwards, like
it last, it was very short and then afterwards we
just talked and I told him I was like, oh,
you know, you're my first customer like in the United States.
He's like, oh my god, we did so good, Like
that was great. Um, And of course they're telling you
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how beautiful you are and cool you are, like a
lot of people want to know, like, especially because I
wasn't from that country, They're like, what are you doing here?
Like so then you're like telling stories and like it's fun,
but I also feel like it's kind of intimate too,
like it is, yeah, and not just intimate sexually, but
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like yeah, because you're like shutting off from the whatever
it is that these people come in for. Like a
lot of them are coming after work, before work, after
a night out at the bar. Like you just went
out with your boys. You don't want to harass. But
like if you don't have harass people at the bar
and try to get to come sleep with you and
then deal with that in the morning, you just want
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to like go bust night and like go home, Like
why not go down the street to this place and
meet someone that you can interact with for thirty minutes
because that's really all you need, yeah, and be on
your way. So there were you know, a lot of
I've had a lot of good conversations. Um silly, you
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know people are people are great. It's how I know
you from North Because you want to say harassed bitches?
I did. I did, Like come on, bitch, you know
how we talk of her? Oh I don't you know
other people that's not that's we don't say things like
that anymore. But yeah, like so up North, like bitches
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is like saying niggas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not trying
to be mean, like yeah, so if she slip up, y'all,
it's it's a term of endear me because I said,
I always say bitches. Yeah yeah, I'm not trying to
be like you know right what you Then there were rules?
What were the rules at the brothels? Um, let's see
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what were the rules? No unprotected sex? Definitely, it really like,
you know, no unprotected sex. Um, I really think that's it.
Like no drugs obviously, like no drugs, you know, alcohol.
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There were some brothels that did have like bars like
downstairs and like they allowed drinking, but not all of
them were the same. So the one I was in,
you know, no drinks unless someone's like they're coming in
there paying for the Like hey, this guy is coming,
he's paying me x amount of dollars. He wants to
bring champagne. He's gonna be here for four hours, you
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know what I mean? But um, you know I've had
people come in with like their weed pen and like
you know, I've had people's smoked cigarettes. You know, you're
not supposed to be girls. But as far as like
rules on what you did behind your closed door, like
you could really do whatever you want, like you know,
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as long as you weren't doing anything illegal, like illegal
drugs and you know, like that's it where you don't
want me black girl there, No, there was there were
a few. Um two of them were African, but they
lived in that country. I think there was another African
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American and they're like at one point, um, but no,
I wasn't. Um, there's girls from all over and like
I was so nervous. I thought they were all going
to be like these bombshell like big titty, like you
know white girl are like from Eastern Europe or something,
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and they I mean there were a lot of the
girls in there were like, um, a lot of them
were gay mm hmm um and had girlfriends. But they
did this for work. Yeah, Um didn't even think that.
Um there were yeah right, I'm like, okay, so you
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I get it though you don't like dick romantically, but
you'll take dig and like perform for money and for
a job and like you know a lot of like
hate men. They're gonna like lead them all do whatever.
So but they got would be somewhat confusing because you
can't control the body if it reacts a certain way.
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And I do remember talking to one girl and she
said she connects better with women. She's always loved women. Um.
But she also like, was you know a dancer and
um moved over into the brotheld And then being that
it's it doesn't it's looked at differently in the country
that they're in. It was kind of like, ah, it's
(30:38):
just like another gig. You know, you kind of look
at sex as um, Like sometimes I look at it
as like a sport, Like I'm performing a sport um
with an end goal. My end goal is to get
this person off and like have as much fun in
this chunk of time. And it's not like you got
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to be able to take away like the romantic part
of it in the you know, sexes only for reprocreating, right, Um.
But yeah, and what was your schedule like, because I
know you said that you shouldn't you change your shift,
but I did you do this every day? Or Um?
(31:21):
I worked? It depends Like some weeks I would work
maybe three days or three nights. I worked. In the
beginning it was like five, I would go in at five,
and then eventually I started working like ten to two. Um.
There were times where you would just be like I
have pulled twelve hour days. There there were some times
where I was like I lost track of time and
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you're just in it, and like even if you're not
working the whole time, like you might sit there and
like i'd bring my laptop so it's like, all right, well,
no one's coming in right now, it's kind of dead.
I'm just gonna sit here for three hours. I'm like okay, um,
and then someone might pop in, like and just to
funk around because no one knows me out here. I
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don't have a life. I do what I want. I'm traveling.
There were times when I just being there all day
and I'm just like, all right, you tell down to
the desk, like, I'm off for a couple of hours.
I'm gonna take a nap up in one of these
here rooms, right, I'm gonna run out and get some lunch.
I'll be back, um, and if someone comes in, you'll
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be like, okay, yeah, put me back in the rotation
or whatever, like whatever. But my skin, you kind of
made your own schedule. Um. It was tough though, Like
I will say, you know, we're meant to sleep at
night and be up during the day, so it was tough.
Trying to be productive during the day and like work
out and all that, and then go into work at
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ten and then get off when the sun's coming up.
But then like when you get up or when you
get off, sometimes you can't make it sleep right away.
So now you're out eleven and now you're like, funk,
I didn't sleep and I gotta work and get ready
at set. You know, like, well yankee for a minute, um,
but then you just take days off, right. Did you
(33:05):
feel like it was a competitive spirit there because I
can only imagine how many girls were there. No, not
at all, And that's why I was so chill, because
at the you know, if you're in a club, you're competing,
you're up, you're walking around, you gotta get But here
you just go in. Anybody, anybody this is being anybody
(33:27):
want okay, cool, I'll be over here. Call me. Like
you don't have to like convince anybody anything, because I mean,
guys just want to get off, even when you're telling
them you're special at your services, like they don't give
a funk, like come on, I'll give you the extra
whatever dollars anyway, just like and go yeah, like you
(33:48):
know what I mean. So it wasn't. And then you know,
the girls were there. Was never like oh she's sleeping
with my customer or whatever, not that I experienced. You know,
the times you have someone that will sleep with one
girl and then go right back downstairs and pick another
one and just like get like three of them in
real quick and go home. Yeah damn. So what did
(34:10):
a good week look like for you? Um, a good week?
And the most I made in one week was about
and that was maybe like four shifts, I want to say,
like eight thousand dollars, nine thousand dollars, eight thousand dollars
(34:33):
before Niga's oh no night, nights, nights, days, four days.
I mean, that's so good though, eight dollars dollars. I
made a lot of money in a very short amount
of time when I was over there, and obviously when
I you know, didn't convert to what it, you know, whatever,
the money, you know, the conversion kind of made it
(34:54):
look like less. But for what I'm over there, you know,
doing I'm traveling, I'm not literally just hanging out people
at night. And right, so wait, so how much because
you was there for three months? How much did you
make it three months? Oh? Yeah, frus no. But now
(35:14):
I'm getting I just got to be after this episode,
but just gonna be at the brothels man out. I
want to say in that three months time, I mean
about like thirty thirty five thousand dollars what which converted
to twentysome thousand maybe a little less now I don't
(35:40):
know what it would convert to because this was years ago,
but um, yeah it was it was lit How much
did you have to pay the Bronthel Like, how is
that system set up? So they would, um, you'd have
your set whatever the price was, and just like at
the club, they get a certain percentage um right then
whatever you the upgrade, if a customer does the deluxe
(36:02):
or upgrade, you keep all that, you know or any
to keep all that. So sometimes you might just get
a basic you know booking, and then by the end
of it, you've made like an extra couple hundred or
you know, extra to here, extra whatever. They're just in
tips and you know, talking having a conversation, the person
might be like, oh, you're cool, here's an extra hundred,
get your nails something like. But the club had their
(36:24):
set percentage that they would take, which was it was fair.
It wasn't as much. Um, because I know in Nevada
they take like they do fifty person off at won't
know it was less than that, Like I wouldn't have
been Nevada, Like I don't. I've never worked in the
US doing that. This was just a moment in my experiences.
(36:46):
But I feel like what I've heard about Nevada is
it's very like I always hear negative things, like they
take a lot of money you have to like they
make you work, Like I always hear negative things. Yeah,
like I'm not gonna say the own their name, but
this nigga is taking you absolutely not. Yeah, I work
(37:10):
that was owned by a woman. M whe there you go,
you know, owned by a woman. I did work. Um,
I went to another city one weekend and worked at
a different place. Um, they took a little bit more money.
I think it was run by men. It was just
like different. I feel like I got really lucky with
the place I went to was so laid back and
(37:31):
chill and like well that ran it were just chill
like you. Then when I went to the other one,
it was in like another you know, another city. I'm like, hmm,
I wonder what the rest of them are like if
I go to the city or that city, like, are
they more like in your pockets and in your ship?
But you blessed with a good one. Yeah, So what
(37:54):
are some things that you wouldn't do? Um? So I
am not a fan of like anal. Yeah, I didn't
do an anal. No. I I am not um kind
of thing. No anal. I mean as far as like
any of the um like the fetish stuff like or
(38:18):
like whips and chains, and I like, you know, you
can like tie me up a little bit. I don't
mind like certain things like that, but you know, I
feel like anal was the biggest and I didn't let
people go down on me. Um. Yeah, certain people, like
there were people that were recurring customers or like you know,
you just get like a feeling and you're just like funking.
I trust it and then you you don't regret it. Um,
(38:40):
but not not every person could, like you know, and
I didn't. I didn't kiss unless like they paid me extra. Yeah.
It's hard to like have sex if you're not kissing. Right.
Oh wow, yeah, just kissing that's kind of intimate. So
you don't know what niggas mouths men, right, and like
(39:01):
we did provide like toothbrushes and flaws and like mouthwash
in the rooms too. Um, but yeah, anything else I
wouldn't do. I don't think so really just like animal um.
But when they go down or are they use because
they have like condoms for the tongue, right, they have
dental damns. Yeah, yeah, they do have gentle dams. So
(39:24):
what type of clients did you have? I'm like, but
who knows? So everybody, like, I mean, they were like
I took a lot of virginityes I did. I took
a lot of virginities. Um, people coming from the office,
(39:44):
people coming from school, people that just everyday, people just
coming and going. Um, I mean people from India, Asia, Africa,
all over the world. You know. I'm a lot of
people didn't know where I was from, like by looking
at me, because then they're like, oh, I guess I
gotta find out. But yeah, just people you know, young, old,
(40:09):
not too I don't think I really had been with
anyone like super old, but like all I would say
between the ages of eighteen, which you had to be
to get in and like yeah sixty five, so um yeah,
(40:30):
people from from all over really just every day and
then you'd be like tang like everyday people and they
just walking down the street and they go on this
building and here, and they're getting their dicks. Like that's crazy.
And then we too, Like I would leave work and
just be a regular as bitch, and like you know,
I'd get off early, so I go get breakfast and
like go do some errands, and I'd just be out
(40:52):
and about, Like no one even knows that I was
just up like sucking ten different people last night. That's
just crazy to think about. Like what I'm saying, you
just can't judge a book by its cover, Like, oh, wow,
how many pretty dicks have you seen? I know you've
seen a lot of. Yes, I would say I saw
(41:14):
more not so good ones, like not like there are
some pretty ones, but um, a lot of like different
shapes and sizes. And I think I want to write
a book about this or like make something about this
because there's so many deck sizes. Like you know, you
have the ones that like go in like like any
(41:35):
belly like any auty kind of situation. Um, they're usually
found on people that have a little bit more like
belly fat and like the pupa area. Um, you know,
I wish I could see our faces. Uh, but yeah,
(41:56):
a lot of because of you know, I wasn't in
the the u US, A lot of people were not circumcised,
which I mean I've I've dealt with that like in
my personal life before, like um not had a partner,
you know, way before I was working at Raffalo that
wasn't circumcised. Um. There's a lot of that. Um No.
(42:17):
I don't know if I like any extra meat town. Yeah,
you know, sometimes it's a lot like help girl and
like I hate stereotis and ship. But I had a
guy from Africa already knew it and oh my god,
like we had to cancel because it just wasn't going in, yeah,
(42:41):
because it's too goddamn big on that extra me. It
was so big we had we had to cancel um
and he just went on and like picked somebody else.
But it was just like, I mean, it was like,
oh my god, now we have to discrond how big
is that? That's like, uh like the size of the
uh ar a Mason jar Um opening. Oh he want
(43:07):
to fuck your ship? I know. I was just like
it's you know, loub and all that. I like, it
got in the shower. I'm like, listen, na money back.
I don't know what to tell you. What was your
favorite experience? Oh? Um? Oh he was in love with
this one. And I only remem because I just I
(43:31):
was just writing about it the other day or like
rereading some of the stuff that I've been writing. So
I'm writing a book about this, um and about my
basically taking my journal entries from that time and turning
them into like short stories. Oh yeah, how Abria can
support That's amazing. So um, I had someone he I
(43:55):
don't even I don't know his name, like he was
never seen him before, just uh came in at like
five thirty, strolling in in the morning, just like I
just remember being like half awake and like, oh, there's
someone here. They want to hang okay, And it was
just like the energy that went between us, it was
(44:18):
like something I had and experienced and this was a stranger.
So it was just like like we barely even spoke
words to each other, but we just had like this
really good energy and like I like broke the rules,
like I let him go down on me because I
was just like, uh, I just remember being mesmerized. After
he left, he was like he was Greek um and
(44:41):
he had like uh oh he was cute too. He
was Greek, really cute. Um barely spoke any words, like
we barely exchanged words. It was just like energy and
I'll never forget that. And like when he when he left,
I think he was going he worked in like like
(45:01):
construction or something where you get up early as hell,
Like he's up early, he's going into work. He had
like a like a vest, like a bright orange like
you know, like that's or something like work boots like
steel so boots. And he came in for forty five
minutes and yeah, that was it was like a thief
(45:22):
in the night or some ship. You just came in like, oh,
I know what happened. He made me square all over
the plane. Oh wow, grinned. Yeah, it was yeah, I
forgot to throw that in there that I had like
an amazing orgasm. It was just like and you know,
I don't you don't really have them when you're I
mean I didn't have them every time. It was just
(45:42):
kind of like, you know, get you off and get
you on your way. But to be able to have
like a really good one, and it was like I
had to like flip the mattress when I was done,
and like notify the front desk, like you may want
to get someone up there. You should have been giving
him some money, like show me t if you come back.
(46:06):
You ever come back? I never saw him again. That
was towards the end of my time there. So um,
maybe within a few weeks I was like that done
exploring that country, but never came back. Um. Wow, there
was a few. There were a few where it was
just like like just really nice or like the conversation
(46:28):
was cool, and then they end up extending their stay
and next thing, you know, just like lying around, like
not even having actually like laying around and like talking
and laughing and like being ridiculous and then right, nice
to meet you, have a nice day. What was your
worst experience? Oh man, let's see my worst I would
(46:53):
I can't think of any in particular, but I do
know that there were times where it was like if
someone came in and they were just super wasted. It's
like Friday night, like three am and they're coming in
with all their boys and like you know, it's when
people are just like trying to kiss you and then
you don't want them to kiss you, and I just
need to get sunk out of here, or like you
(47:14):
got cooked dick now and here you are, right, how
was my problem? If you got to go you're cooked,
is now my issue? Like? Um, those like more like
annoying occurrences where you get like, yeah, someone that's just
like off their ship. You're like, would you write? Or
(47:35):
then they don't come You're like, all right, well, I
don't no one told you to come in here with
whiskey eggs, Like I don't I know what's say? You know,
I feel like when you think about like sex prothos,
I feel like they get a really bad rep And
I also think it depends on how you view things
and with everything that's going on and just your views
on sex and every and when it comes to sex work.
(47:57):
But I feel like for the most part the research
I've been reading and I feel like a lot of
women are saying like they feel safe and protected. Yeah,
I mean, because you can easily go do that job
and work out of a motel or a hotel or
your house or like I know, I've known new of
girls in the clubs that would like you know, sell
(48:17):
themselves in the clubs even like to or meet people
later and like she gets this, she gets sketchy. You know,
but you're in an establishment where it's protected. There's security cameras,
not in your room, but there's cameras, and uh, people
know that if they go in there and start acting up,
they're going to get arrested and thrown out. So it's
(48:39):
like you're only dealing with people that are safe. Right,
You're safe as long as you're in that space. That Now,
if you decide you want to meet someone you met
at work outside of work, now that's on your not
saying that we weren't allowed to. But Wen, they can't
protect you if you're not on their operating right. Yeah,
(49:02):
and what made you decide to leave? Um, I was
I was going coming back to the United States anyway,
Like my visa was up, I was coming back to
the States. But yeah, it was it was experienced, so
I wouldn't have been legally allowed to work anyway. Mm hmm.
Would you go back? Hell? Yeah, I almost went back. Um,
(49:26):
a couple of years ago, I called, I'm like, Yo,
this is someone so I remember I was there a
two thousand and whatever. Um, I'm like, if I come over,
but I don't have to work visa, like can I
still work? They're like, we would love to have you
because you're amazing, but that's illegal, right right, Like alright, fine,
(49:50):
but if you wasn't good done a visa back, I mean,
if I could, like now at this stage in my life,
I don't, I don't know, like I think it was.
That was more of like like I wouldn't move my
life over there to go do that. Like that was
more of like in the moment while I'm here, I
was allowed to go down, let me give it a go. Um,
(50:16):
But now no, mm hmm. And is it hard for
you to be intimate in your personal life? No? No,
I feel like, um, I feel like that I learned
so much from that job about myself, about my stance
(50:37):
on like sexual empowerment. I learned a lot about men,
about their bodies, about like I mean, because you're sitting there,
you're talking to people about their relationships sometimes and it's like,
you know, I feel like all of the experiences I've
had in you know, in the club and in that
environment has really built like this confidence and like I
(51:03):
don't even know what the word I'm looking for is,
but you know, when I'm in my personal situations like
I know how to make people feel good. I know
what I like to feel good. It feels good to
make people feel good. It feels good knowing that people
think you look good and feel good, you know what
I mean, Like that it's easting. Yeah. So, last, but
(51:27):
not least, what would you say is the biggest lesson
you've learned about men from working at the sex brothel? Um,
they're simple mm hmmm, um, simple last niggas. Simple last
niggas I want and I don't even want to like
simple as like oh my god, you're stupid, but like, no,
I'm not gonna say stupid in many ways, Um, what's
(51:50):
the biggest thing I've learned? Because I know you had
like a lot of like oh my god, like ah
ha moments. I think I learned more about myself too. Um,
but I would say, like for men, Yeah, they're they're simple,
Like they need certain things. Um, a lot of them
(52:15):
view sex in a way that they don't live. Like
a lot of them, you know, might be you know, relationship,
I don't want to say a lot, but it might
be in a monogamous relationship. But like to them, like
sex is like okay, like it's not just for one person.
Like I've had those conversations where people are like, yeah,
like I don't know, I'm married, I love my wife,
(52:37):
like it's just sex. Like a lot of people have
that view, which I did not really think that way.
I think I think that men were thinking that way.
M Maybe it was the cultures I was dealing with
two and like just being in a different country. But
you know, you had a lot of people that were not,
you know, single, right, But does that make you look
(52:58):
at men differently? Mm hmm, not really, because I feel
like not everything is like black and white. Everything nothing
is or isn't. It's just it's gray, you know. Um,
I can't. I can't judge people by what they want
(53:19):
to do, what they do, you know, whether they're cheating
or just fulfilling a need or whatever. Like I try
really hard to just be like it is what it is, Like,
that's what you're doing. I can't say if I look
at you differently, like it is what it is? Right? Okay, Last,
and at least again, looks the biggest thing you learned
about yourself? Then, um, see the biggest thing I learned
(53:44):
about myself. Dang, there's something I want to say some things,
but I mean this is anonymous. The biggest thing I
learned about myself is that I my experiences have definitely
(54:07):
affected me being a sex worker, whether it was dancing
or that little stint of brothel, like, it definitely changes,
um my view on like you know, relationships, gender, roles,
sex like everything, and um, I'm learning how to navigate
that and I'm learning how to how do I put
(54:29):
other people in my life? Um, you know, in a
romantic way, or it doesn't have to be a romantic way.
Like I've been really learning about like who am I
as a partner or as a you know, lover or whatever? Um, no,
you got found on it? Come on now because you
(54:53):
know I'm over Like, come on, I'm a man eater.
M hmm that's what That's what comes to mind first,
But it sounds negative, so I need to change that term. Um.
I definitely have learned how to get what I want
(55:13):
right with what I got right sexual for him, um,
and just really trying to like and this is why
I'm writing that book too, because it's like there's so much,
there's so much to unpack, like what is you know,
what is the calous? Like why why did I why
(55:34):
did I jump into the sex life in the first place? Um,
But doing the work and then seeing the way it
affects the people I work with, it's like it's all good, right.
Where do you think that's them from? Though? That's funny.
I was thinking about that when I was just today
when I was like thinking about this interview, and like,
because I figured you to ask me that question, like
(55:56):
where you get the bottom of it? Yeah, um, I
don't know, but I wrote it down because that's definitely
something I want to talk to my UM, my therapist,
my spiritual healer. I don't think it's I feel like
it doesn't come from a most people would think, you know,
strippers and sex orders, they they have like a void
that they're trying to fill so that they go into
(56:19):
these this line of work and they're trying to get
something they got daddy issues or like whatever, and it's
like or they need to feel loved or like I
don't even I don't think it's any of that, you know.
I think it just stems from like knowing, um, like
having that like sexual power, knowing where women you know,
as women were always put down and we're you know,
(56:43):
told we can't do something, and you know, men get
to do everything and to be able to just like yeah,
be in control and like so many different ways. Um,
you know, in the bed, outside of the bed and
the club out. It is just like it feels good,
you know, Like I don't think it comes from lacking
(57:03):
love or lacking you know, something, or like running away
from something like I think it's literally just like I'm
the fucking ship. You know. I'm thinking about it too,
because you know, I go I haven't going to therapy
on and off over six years. I love my therapist. Yeah,
and you know a lot of things that we like
(57:25):
to do, it does them from somewhere We just don't
know until we like really like it's the reason why
you want to be in control and you like how
it makes you feel, and like you know, it's easy.
You ain't gonna deal with people. You just get what
you want to keep it moving. Mm hmm. Then it
comes to fine line where it's like is it healthy though? Yeah?
And see that's where I I always make sure, you know,
(57:49):
as I go through life and do certain things, I
do stop and I reflect a lot, you know, just
going you know, is this gonna mess me? Up like
is this unhealthy? Like how will this affect me? Later
my first night at the Propo, I literally went home
and I wrote about it, and I was just like,
you know, we'll come back to this, Let's see how
(58:09):
I feel and like and going through my journal and
reading like you know where I was at those times,
like it seemed pretty you know, I seemed pretty healthy
and like in control. You know, sometimes you think you're
in control, but you're actually out of control. You and
the most ship like there be times like I'm not
doing the most. I don't think so I think we're good. Right, Well,
(58:33):
I'm just curious. How did you sibilant your sibilants know
about this? Right mm hmmm um So I told them
like years later, like after um, there's like okay, Like
my sister, one of my sisters was like, oh yeah,
I mean I kind of figure like I didn't doubt it.
I wasn't like assuming, but like um, and they're just
(58:56):
like yeah, why not, like if that's if it's not
illegal and you feel good about it as long as
you're safe. Yeah, And it's like for me, like I
don't know if I could that could be my career.
Like I met women who have been doing every like
ten years, Like, I don't know if I can. That's
a lot of nick. You take breaks. You make good money,
(59:16):
and you take breaks too. I mean that's what I
do with dancing. I would make good money and then
I take like six months off and other projects and
other jobs. But um, yeah, the siblings were like, you know,
more power to you. They ain't gonna line to be
a lot of sex workers. Man. And the money, Oh
my god, amazing. Yeah, it's it's not bad, you know.
(59:41):
I mean you do have your your seasons where it's
not as lucrative, but that's any other sales job, I guess,
or service job. So well, I appreciate you coming on
the show and share your story. I mean, I know
this is gonna do numbers. I don't know too many
(01:00:02):
people that's interviewing women of color. Yeah, money, this is true. Um,
I just want you know, it's important, Like I said before,
it's important to have these conversations and like just put
things out there because people have questions, people make assumptions
about everything about all the topics that that you've brought on,
(01:00:25):
and just you know, clear the air for anything, or
just say like, hey, here's my experience. Like whatever you
saw on TV or whatever Netflix show you were watching
might not depict right. So wait, do you think that
one day sex brothels will be more legal and more states?
I hope. So I mean, listen, PhD, don't work out, y'all.
(01:00:50):
You need a madam. We're about to open a brothel list.
Okay's so funny. I do want to interview a madam.
Yeah right, it's gonna happen though, because I feel like
I'm getting closer and closer to um certain people and
my my friends there are sex workers hold down, So
I'm like, come on, y'all, Okay, I don't know, see,
(01:01:11):
I don't know any any like uh, you know Bronthels
in the US. Yeah, overseas, but they out here, I'm
sure to see. I feel like a lot of them
might be on some illegal but this is anonymous, so
it's fine. Yeah, and then I probably have to um
alter their voice for protection reason. You can do that. Yeah,
(01:01:32):
I can figure it out. You trying to miss? I know, right,
you know I'm taken down, right, but yeah, I appreciate you,
and I'm definitely when you are ready to show your book,
I hope I'm one of the first people to read. Yeah,
definitely coming back on the show. I'm trying to get
it done. I think next year it'll be it'll be
(01:01:54):
out there. Yes, yes, But if y'all have any questions
or comments, like a service so you want to say
hey girl, hey, please email me at hello at the
PSD podcast dot com. And until next time, everyone later, bye.
Practice safe sex. Yes, don't don't let these niggas that
(01:02:15):
a y'all. Yeah, no, we adn't do it that. This
is the right one now. I'm just playing safe sex, y'all.
Host
Eboné Almon
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