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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So I don't know, you got to feel good on
the other side of that. And she didn't expose the guy,
like I said, She didn't show his face, none of that.
The camera's on her the whole time, and you just
kind of hear his voice in the background. But I
think that for me and Q, as people that often
(00:21):
have to interact with social media folks who push their
tongue out further than they probably should, it's.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good to see, you know, people like her get a win. Q.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I want to make sure that you have enough time
to respond here, because yesterday you're a clapback discussed sort
of the maga keyboard warriors and maga online bullies and
reminding them that they are not the president. They don't
have the protection that the presidency comes with, and that
(00:55):
the president won't be alive forever, right, but at some
point they're going to have to come back down these streets,
and so I figured you might have a lot to offer.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
This part of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I wish the listener could see my face when she
said good job, Mike, because I actually don't think she
was being patronizing as much as it As much as
you know, people talked about her level of petty. She
drove three hours for that apology, but I think she
drove three hours to let Mike see and feel what
(01:33):
she described. You see how easy I found you, Mike.
You see how easy it is for you to be touched,
for your life to be impacted, for your world to
be flipped upside down. This is what we were trying
to communicate in the clap back yesterday. Sure, yea, not
only are you not the president, not only do you
(01:54):
not have his resources, his impunity, his invulnerability, but he's
not going to come and protect you either, because he
doesn't care about you. You are not speaking to relatives,
You are disowning your own children, You are disowning your God.
(02:16):
And these are not random things, and I'm just saying
as examples. These are things that Rams and I have covered,
real stories where we've watched people denounce their religion, their family,
and even their children so that that can remain loyal
to Donald Trump, a man who doesn't know you exist
and who does not care about you at all. If
(02:38):
you can't help him make money or keep him on
this side of justice, then there's nothing you can do
for him, So he doesn't care about you. And people
are really out here crashing out and putting their lives
in Jeffary, putting relationships in jeopardy, putting the rest of
(03:01):
their neighbors and friends and family in peril to support
this man, just so they can comfortably be racist out loud.
That's the only benefit. I don't have to just say racist, bigoted,
xenophobic and misogynist things and in private with my friends.
(03:21):
I can say them online and out loud in stores. Now,
I can march through neighborhoods and intimidate, bully and frighten people. Now.
So then once you get thought off, then what.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Then what? Okay? So are you proud of yourself? Mike
and Mike serving as the avatar for everybody. At the
end of that rams that she said, I'm gonna need
that back because she's going to make sure that multiple
people issue that apology. That was masterful and ironic that
(03:58):
that story came across our desk today after we just
had that conversation yesterday.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I I have to you know, for those that don't know,
I'm on our social media a little bit more than Q,
A lot a lot of bit more than Q.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's a that's a better way to say it. Q
and I are like real brothers.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right where he might be a little weaker, I'll try
to be a little stronger, and where I might be
a little bit weaker, Qua try to be a little stronger.
And you know, when we do our other show Saif Excite,
for a lot of times we cover like traumatic events,
you know, police shootings, that sort of stuff. We see
(04:47):
videos all kinds of traumatic things, and for years now
we've taken turns watching the videos because we have to
talk about it on the radio, so it will be like, hey,
look I watched this one. You don't have to watch it,
you know, just to make sure that we half the
(05:10):
amount of traumas that we're exposed to. Right Well, when
it comes to our social media, Q has a different
algorithm and his friends are like, he's got a lot
more friends that he's battling a different set of demons.
(05:31):
That's I wish I had a better way of articulating that,
because I don't think that the humans are actual demons.
But you know what I'm saying, he's got a different fight.
So I said that to say that I'm usually the
one that is interacting on social media, and it's kind
of been an.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Achilles heel for.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Our brand, you know, trying to grow our social media
because there's a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, people typically will look.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
At your social media and determine how much respect to
give you. They don't care if you're syndicated one hundred
and fifty stations on one hundred and fifty one stations
around the country, because that doesn't make sense to them. However,
sparing Q the amount of poison that exists on our
(06:22):
social media is well worth it. We'll take the slow
route because we're doing good work that we feel will
make a difference and is making a difference. And I
don't get out of its scott free, but I think
I absorb it a little bit better. In any event,
it's nice to see somebody do something, you know, in
(06:44):
those same circumstances and have a positive outcome.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I love that story all right, Time to move on.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It is the deadliest year for people in ice custody
in decades.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't love that I have to read this one.
This is going to make me sad, all right. This
from NPR.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Immigration and Customs Enforcement has recorded its deadliest year since
the early two thousands, as agency officials pushed to increase
the number of people in its custody. According to a
review of deaths by NPR, at least twenty people have
died in ICE custody so far this year. The number
comes as ICE is also holding nearly sixty thousand people
in immigration detention, the highest number.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In several years.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Deaths reached a peak in twenty twenty five for the
first time since thirty two deaths were recorded in two
thousand and four, and twenty deaths were recorded into two
thousand and five. Former agency officials are warning that increased
detention population, decreased oversight and increased in street and community arrest,
and continued difficulty staffing medical teams will result in more deaths.
(07:50):
The summer, ICE received about seventy billion dollars It's a
billion with a B to hire more staff, including deportation
and detention officers, and increase its detention space across the country.
Media and immigration advocates have reported overcrowding, unsanitary conditions, and
issues with food and health care access, a byproduct of
a rapidly scaling up of immigration arrests.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Can staffing actually keep pace with the increase in population,
and that becomes particularly challenging in more remote locations where
it was already difficult to find qualified staff willing to
come out and work. Unquote, said Peter Mina, who worked
at ICE for nearly a decade and then six years
as a deputy Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties
at DHS. The quote goes on, and that just places
(08:38):
risk all across the system, including unfortunately, individuals and detention
facing medical conditions that might result in their death. ICE
did not respond to an immediate request for comment on
the count. So far this month, two more detainees have
died in custody. Medical conditions surrounding deaths over the last
year sorry the last calendar year have included toberculosis, respiratory failure,
(09:01):
and about three possible suicides. Each preliminary report includes a
synopsis of the detainees immigration and criminal histories, as they
have for past administrations, as well as the events leading
to the time of death. Again, uh, I feel like
(09:24):
a little guilty because I just hadn't given any thought to,
you know, people losing their life here and the families
that are like kind of further crushed, Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Gonna just be frank. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know, I'm born in California. I spent my time
in California and Arizona. It's only two places I've ever lived.
Mexican people have shaped my reality. My children are half Mexican,
you know, my family, other parts of my family here.
(10:06):
You know, it's just kind of the function of like
being in this part of the world. But I cannot
know what it's like to live under a Trump administration.
I know that generally speaking, whenever the President and you know,
Congress and the Senate and whoever is talking about immigration,
(10:31):
you know, Mexican people's ears perk up because it affects
them more directly, you know, their family or you know,
communities or whatever. Maybe them individual as individuals. But you
know that first Trump presidency build that wall, that had
to been a scary time for.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
People who.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Were illegal, and illegal in Arizona they're famously was SB
ten seventy some years back, where it granted officers the
right to basically stop and frisk anyone who looked illegal,
basically anyone who looked Mexican. And that was a very
(11:13):
scary time. I remember we were on the radio talking
about that and just trying to stand in solidarity with
the Mexican people. It felt like the right thing to
do it. It will always feel like the right thing to do.
But to have ice now become what it's become in
the cultural zeitgeist, this buzzword that invokes fear and terror
(11:38):
into these communities. You know, my heart broke breaks every
time I have to see one of those videos of
women wailing in the streets saying I'm a citizen, or
other people wailing in Spanish. Maybe they're not citizens yet,
you know, but they clearly are not like criminals. These
(12:02):
are people that are ingratiated with the community, which is
why they're being recorded.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I thought that it was as bad as.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I just never thought that we'd be talking about people
dying as a result of this, and again just imagining
the impact, you know, people losing fathers and mothers and
kids having to bury them. Maybe if they get to
bury them. That's heartbreaking. And I know that's part of
(12:41):
the job to cover this stuff, but I just can't
believe I had a blind spot here. I want to
make sure you can reflect on this two Q, So
I'll leave it there.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You talked about Sten and I remember post Sheriff jar Pile.
I never, like I thought there was like a graduation
from that that we wouldn't have to revisit. Like, Glad
(13:16):
we got rid of him, Glad we got rid of that.
Glad that moment is over. And I remember when Joe
Biden was elected having that exact same feeling. Glad this
moment is over. Glad we're past that. Let's heal, let's repair,
and let's move forward. And political politeness and political norms
(13:41):
drug us back way further back than we were when
those things were here. And you know, you speak about
that blind spot. I did not have such a blind spot.
I know, and I think a video of me talking
about specifically the immigration policies of this administration is probably
(14:07):
our most viewed clip ever. It has tens of millions
of views.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Sure, and.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is why I was so passionate about it. I
knew the unlimited rope that they would have. I knew
the green light they would give themselves if someone who
was elected on the basis of removing and denying brown
people from living and entering this country, that if that
(14:42):
person won, if there was one promise they would try
their darkness to deliver on it. Was going to be
that it became like their war chant, like build that wall,
as what mobs of people said in the streets, marching
down on the street in Arizona. So it's not surprising
(15:08):
at all. What I never imagine, however, was things like
this happening and no one caring, no one with any
power to do anything about it anyway. They really do
(15:29):
get to do these things with impunity. And I can
tell that everyone's not viewing these things the way that
I am, because everyone's calm, because everyone's going to work
and going to school and not in the streets and
not enraged and losing their minds. Most of us still
(15:51):
don't see how bad it is. Most of us are
still not processing, even with seeing the movie trailer style
videos that they put out after they displace and beat
and detain illegally people of all nationalities that look like
(16:12):
you and I. They put those videos out, they celebrate it,
official government social media accounts joke about it, and then
nothing happens. They just keep doing it. They get the
most funding of any agency ever, so they can recruit
the worst types of people to continue to do these things.
(16:36):
This is our reality now, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, figure out we're going to be back with more
right after this.
So I don't know, you got to feel good on
the other side of that. And she didn't expose the guy,
like I said, She didn't show his face, none of that.
The camera's on her the whole time, and you just
kind of hear his voice in the background. But I
think that for me and Q, as people that often
(00:21):
have to interact with social media folks who push their
tongue out further than they probably should, it's.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good to see, you know, people like her get a win. Q.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I want to make sure that you have enough time
to respond here, because yesterday you're a clapback discussed sort
of the maga keyboard warriors and maga online bullies and
reminding them that they are not the president. They don't
have the protection that the presidency comes with, and that
(00:55):
the president won't be alive forever, right, but at some
point they're going to have to come back down these streets,
and so I figured you might have a lot to offer.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
This part of the conversation.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I wish the listener could see my face when she
said good job, Mike, because I actually don't think she
was being patronizing as much as it As much as
you know, people talked about her level of petty. She
drove three hours for that apology, but I think she
drove three hours to let Mike see and feel what
(01:33):
she described. You see how easy I found you, Mike.
You see how easy it is for you to be touched,
for your life to be impacted, for your world to
be flipped upside down. This is what we were trying
to communicate in the clap back yesterday. Sure, yea, not
only are you not the president, not only do you
(01:54):
not have his resources, his impunity, his invulnerability, but he's
not going to come and protect you either, because he
doesn't care about you. You are not speaking to relatives,
You are disowning your own children, You are disowning your God.
(02:16):
And these are not random things, and I'm just saying
as examples. These are things that Rams and I have covered,
real stories where we've watched people denounce their religion, their family,
and even their children so that that can remain loyal
to Donald Trump, a man who doesn't know you exist
and who does not care about you at all. If
(02:38):
you can't help him make money or keep him on
this side of justice, then there's nothing you can do
for him, So he doesn't care about you. And people
are really out here crashing out and putting their lives
in Jeffary, putting relationships in jeopardy, putting the rest of
(03:01):
their neighbors and friends and family in peril to support
this man, just so they can comfortably be racist out loud.
That's the only benefit. I don't have to just say racist, bigoted,
xenophobic and misogynist things and in private with my friends.
(03:21):
I can say them online and out loud in stores. Now,
I can march through neighborhoods and intimidate, bully and frighten people. Now.
So then once you get thought off, then what.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Like?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Then what? Okay? So are you proud of yourself? Mike
and Mike serving as the avatar for everybody. At the
end of that rams that she said, I'm gonna need
that back because she's going to make sure that multiple
people issue that apology. That was masterful and ironic that
(03:58):
that story came across our desk today after we just
had that conversation yesterday.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I I have to you know, for those that don't know,
I'm on our social media a little bit more than Q,
A lot a lot of bit more than Q.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
That's a that's a better way to say it. Q
and I are like real brothers.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Right where he might be a little weaker, I'll try
to be a little stronger, and where I might be
a little bit weaker, Qua try to be a little stronger.
And you know, when we do our other show Saif Excite,
for a lot of times we cover like traumatic events,
you know, police shootings, that sort of stuff. We see
(04:47):
videos all kinds of traumatic things, and for years now
we've taken turns watching the videos because we have to
talk about it on the radio, so it will be like, hey,
look I watched this one. You don't have to watch it,
you know, just to make sure that we half the
(05:10):
amount of traumas that we're exposed to. Right Well, when
it comes to our social media, Q has a different
algorithm and his friends are like, he's got a lot
more friends that he's battling a different set of demons.
(05:31):
That's I wish I had a better way of articulating that,
because I don't think that the humans are actual demons.
But you know what I'm saying, he's got a different fight.
So I said that to say that I'm usually the
one that is interacting on social media, and it's kind
of been an.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Achilles heel for.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Our brand, you know, trying to grow our social media
because there's a lot of opportunities.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know, people typically will look.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
At your social media and determine how much respect to
give you. They don't care if you're syndicated one hundred
and fifty stations on one hundred and fifty one stations
around the country, because that doesn't make sense to them. However,
sparing Q the amount of poison that exists on our
(06:22):
social media is well worth it. We'll take the slow
route because we're doing good work that we feel will
make a difference and is making a difference. And I
don't get out of its scott free, but I think
I absorb it a little bit better. In any event,
it's nice to see somebody do something, you know, in
(06:44):
those same circumstances and have a positive outcome.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
So I love that story all right, Time to move on.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It is the deadliest year for people in ice custody
in decades.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't love that I have to read this one.
This is going to make me sad, all right. This
from NPR.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Immigration and Customs Enforcement has recorded its deadliest year since
the early two thousands, as agency officials pushed to increase
the number of people in its custody. According to a
review of deaths by NPR, at least twenty people have
died in ICE custody so far this year. The number
comes as ICE is also holding nearly sixty thousand people
in immigration detention, the highest number.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
In several years.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Deaths reached a peak in twenty twenty five for the
first time since thirty two deaths were recorded in two
thousand and four, and twenty deaths were recorded into two
thousand and five. Former agency officials are warning that increased
detention population, decreased oversight and increased in street and community arrest,
and continued difficulty staffing medical teams will result in more deaths.
(07:50):
The summer, ICE received about seventy billion dollars It's a
billion with a B to hire more staff, including deportation
and detention officers, and increase its detention space across the country.
Media and immigration advocates have reported overcrowding, unsanitary conditions, and
issues with food and health care access, a byproduct of
a rapidly scaling up of immigration arrests.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Can staffing actually keep pace with the increase in population,
and that becomes particularly challenging in more remote locations where
it was already difficult to find qualified staff willing to
come out and work. Unquote, said Peter Mina, who worked
at ICE for nearly a decade and then six years
as a deputy Officer for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties
at DHS. The quote goes on, and that just places
(08:38):
risk all across the system, including unfortunately, individuals and detention
facing medical conditions that might result in their death. ICE
did not respond to an immediate request for comment on
the count. So far this month, two more detainees have
died in custody. Medical conditions surrounding deaths over the last
year sorry the last calendar year have included toberculosis, respiratory failure,
(09:01):
and about three possible suicides. Each preliminary report includes a
synopsis of the detainees immigration and criminal histories, as they
have for past administrations, as well as the events leading
to the time of death. Again, uh, I feel like
(09:24):
a little guilty because I just hadn't given any thought to,
you know, people losing their life here and the families
that are like kind of further crushed, Like I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Gonna just be frank. Okay.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
You know, I'm born in California. I spent my time
in California and Arizona. It's only two places I've ever lived.
Mexican people have shaped my reality. My children are half Mexican,
you know, my family, other parts of my family here.
(10:06):
You know, it's just kind of the function of like
being in this part of the world. But I cannot
know what it's like to live under a Trump administration.
I know that generally speaking, whenever the President and you know,
Congress and the Senate and whoever is talking about immigration,
(10:31):
you know, Mexican people's ears perk up because it affects
them more directly, you know, their family or you know,
communities or whatever. Maybe them individual as individuals. But you
know that first Trump presidency build that wall, that had
to been a scary time for.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
People who.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Were illegal, and illegal in Arizona they're famously was SB
ten seventy some years back, where it granted officers the
right to basically stop and frisk anyone who looked illegal,
basically anyone who looked Mexican. And that was a very
(11:13):
scary time. I remember we were on the radio talking
about that and just trying to stand in solidarity with
the Mexican people. It felt like the right thing to
do it. It will always feel like the right thing to do.
But to have ice now become what it's become in
the cultural zeitgeist, this buzzword that invokes fear and terror
(11:38):
into these communities. You know, my heart broke breaks every
time I have to see one of those videos of
women wailing in the streets saying I'm a citizen, or
other people wailing in Spanish. Maybe they're not citizens yet,
you know, but they clearly are not like criminals. These
(12:02):
are people that are ingratiated with the community, which is
why they're being recorded.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I thought that it was as bad as.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I just never thought that we'd be talking about people
dying as a result of this, and again just imagining
the impact, you know, people losing fathers and mothers and
kids having to bury them. Maybe if they get to
bury them. That's heartbreaking. And I know that's part of
(12:41):
the job to cover this stuff, but I just can't
believe I had a blind spot here. I want to
make sure you can reflect on this two Q, So
I'll leave it there.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You talked about Sten and I remember post Sheriff jar Pile.
I never, like I thought there was like a graduation
from that that we wouldn't have to revisit. Like, Glad
(13:16):
we got rid of him, Glad we got rid of that.
Glad that moment is over. And I remember when Joe
Biden was elected having that exact same feeling. Glad this
moment is over. Glad we're past that. Let's heal, let's repair,
and let's move forward. And political politeness and political norms
(13:41):
drug us back way further back than we were when
those things were here. And you know, you speak about
that blind spot. I did not have such a blind spot.
I know, and I think a video of me talking
about specifically the immigration policies of this administration is probably
(14:07):
our most viewed clip ever. It has tens of millions
of views.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Sure, and.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
This is why I was so passionate about it. I
knew the unlimited rope that they would have. I knew
the green light they would give themselves if someone who
was elected on the basis of removing and denying brown
people from living and entering this country, that if that
(14:42):
person won, if there was one promise they would try
their darkness to deliver on it. Was going to be
that it became like their war chant, like build that wall,
as what mobs of people said in the streets, marching
down on the street in Arizona. So it's not surprising
(15:08):
at all. What I never imagine, however, was things like
this happening and no one caring, no one with any
power to do anything about it anyway. They really do
(15:29):
get to do these things with impunity. And I can
tell that everyone's not viewing these things the way that
I am, because everyone's calm, because everyone's going to work
and going to school and not in the streets and
not enraged and losing their minds. Most of us still
(15:51):
don't see how bad it is. Most of us are
still not processing, even with seeing the movie trailer style
videos that they put out after they displace and beat
and detain illegally people of all nationalities that look like
(16:12):
you and I. They put those videos out, they celebrate it,
official government social media accounts joke about it, and then
nothing happens. They just keep doing it. They get the
most funding of any agency ever, so they can recruit
the worst types of people to continue to do these things.
(16:36):
This is our reality now, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, figure out we're going to be back with more
right after this.
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