July 31, 2025 • 38 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the Black
Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information Network
news anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan to discuss this
week's major stories. This is the QR code.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
He is q Ward and he is ramses Jah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
All right, Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan, welcome to the show.
This is your first time hanging out with us, so
let's uh, let's do some introductions. Tammy, how about you
start first, tell us a little bit about yourself and
acquaint our listeners to your brand of journalism.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, I am a longtime television journalist turn national correspondent.
Spent many many years in the sip Mississippi from Greenville
to Jackson, made my way back home to New Orleans,
and then became a national correspondent. Did my thing across
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the country before settling in and being at the Black
Information Network, which is absolutely awesome because this is kind
of my digs. I like talking about things that affect
my community, all right, and Misty.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Hi too.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So I am from Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I got my start in news as a TV reporter
entertainment stuff. And then I've worked for iHeart for about
eighteen years actually, and I've worked for doing reporting to
also a sports anchor. I've worked in markets and TV
in Columbus, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Detroit. So I've kind of made
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the rounds. And now I actually live in Atlanta, Georgia.
My husband's from here, and so we ended up moving
to Atlanta from North Carolina actually, and I have a
son and who is a wild child. And I am
a yogi, I'm a hiker, and I am a mimosa contosur.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Mad none of that. Okay, all right, Well, we got
some qualified correspondence here with us today, some fantastic anchors,
and I'm excited to get your thoughts on the stories
that we've been monitoring all week. So let's get to
it first.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Up.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
After using his political connections to block the release of
the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Trump is now attempting to
create more distractions from the case by accusing prominent black
figures of a variety of crimes, including one of the
biggest entertainers of our time, Tammy. Let's get today's show
started with you tell us more about Trump's latest target
and then MISTERY and Q, we're going to get your
thoughts right after that.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So there's a lot to cover on this, and first
let's start off with I love the fact that you
use the word distraction, because that's exactly what many people
are calling this a distraction to take the heat off
himself because of the Jeffrey Epstein files. But this is
an old claim actually from last year. The claim, nonetheless
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is here Trump calling for the prosecution of Beyonce, Oprah
Al Sharpton, and others. When it comes to Beyonce, however,
he claims that she took eleven million dollars for endorsing
then presidential candidate hopeful Kamala Harris. Now, Beyonce did endorse
the candidate in twenty twenty four during a Houston rally,
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according to CNN, but was never paid to endorse Harris. Now,
the question comes up, as how do we know this? Well,
Harris has a campaign spokesperson who told CNN that Beyonce
was not paid for the endorsement. FactCheck dot org and
PolitiFact have both checked the claim and alleged that the
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eleven million dollar payout was never found. They couldn't find
anything in reference to it. And remember when you're dealing
with politics, you have to report these things to the
federal government when you're candidate, and there was once again,
no eleven million dollar payment found. Now, what the Harris
Camp did say is this to CNN that they were
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required by law to cover the cost of appearances. So
what does that mean. That could be anything from let's
say a DJ to sound systems, to travel, accommodations, licensing
usage rights. It could also be security right, so that's
in that spectrum. But what they did find was a
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one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payment to Beyonce's
production company, which was listed as a campaign event production expense,
which is basically what we're mentioning here when it comes
to the cost of the appearance. But nonetheless, like we said,
this is an old claim. Beyonce's mom, Tina Knowles, has
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already spoke about this back in November when it first
came up. She called the claim a lie when it
came up on an Instagram post and said that it
was false information. And she said proof of that was
the fact that Instagram itself took the post down.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Mister your thoughts, I think this is wild I think
that it's interesting, and I definitely agree with Tammy and
everyone else who was saying that this is a distraction.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think that it's timely. I think that it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
This is more than a year ago, and it's been
on Instagram and you know, magazines and everyone has come
forward and actually addressed the claims, and so I do
think it's interesting that while he's really the heat is
certainly ramping up with the Epstein files and what his
connection to Epstein is was, with his letter coming on
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his birth the note he gave to him for his birthday,
as we kind of start to get more information about
their relationship and maybe some of the intricate details that
weren't necessarily available, and now they've talked to Gilaane Maxwell.
So these things, to me feel like this is certainly
getting hot, and so I think that when things get hot,
he's like, here's some smoke. I'll distract you with this.
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And I think for some I'm thinking it's core. I
think that it's worked. Honestly, Yeah, cute.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I won't spend a lot of time here.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
The president insults his base so often, like not only
does he legislate against their best interest, but he insults
their intelligence and brags about it. He brags about how
well he does with the poorly educated, and then he
throws these distractions at them that are so obviously distractioned
and so obviously false, because he knows they'll fall for it,
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and they should feel insulted by that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You know, Hey, Beyonce, Barack Obama, Oprah.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Black people dance, and then his base dances and they
celebrate like he just did something special by just naming
black people and throwing allegations at them with no proof
and even worse than no proof, things that have been
proved false already. He knows he can just reuse it
and throw it out there, and his base will will
we'll celebrate, you know, their their messiah and some new
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thing that he you know, thinks he's pulled over on them.
But you know, as as we've heard, it works sadly
so and we'll see how this turns out. Uh, you know,
another Trump smoke bomb, as Missy said, Yeah, it's a
it's a sad time for MAGA. Moving on, despite a
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recent data breach, there's a new relationship app going viral,
gaining popularity in the black community. Misty Let's start with
you this time, tell us more about this dating app
and its primary focus Tammy and ramsas you guys can
follow up next.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So it's called the Tea App.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And this is something that I feel like women have
kind of had these platforms. They've gone from Lipstick Alley,
Don't datumgirl dot com. So now this is the newest
of this type of a platform, of a sisterhood for women.
The app was actually established back in twenty twenty three
and it was kind of at that point one of
those if you know you knows and then about a
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week ago they've gone from four million viewers and then
out of they dropped another one million users that actually
subscribed to the app. So the app promises to be
a safe space, a dating tool for women to share
red flags if you're dating someone. They even promised to
do background checks on the app. So, unfortunately for the
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women that have logged on and created some apps or
created excuse me, a profile on the app, seventy two
thousand images were exposed from a leaked site. They're not
calling it a breach, they're actually calling it a leak.
Even though thousands of users records, online records were actually
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leaked thirteen thousand selfies were exposed and fifty nine thousand
and direct messages were exposed. That's a lot of data,
private data that you know you're supposed to get, you
think is being exchanged between you and the app and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Maybe other women.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well recently, as in yesterday, there was a second leak.
So the first leak happened July twenty fifth, and then
yesterday there was a new leak. This one was like
one point one million private messages between the users and
the platform. So I'm not sure if it's enough to
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have women feel like maybe we shouldn't share the data here,
because again, this is they have a platform on Facebook.
So this is just one of many that women have
used to share information about people maybe they may be
interested in, or someone that they have dated and they
want to want other women don't date him.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Tap me on the tea.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
On the tea, well, I'm drinking my coffee and chicory.
Well look, so just some facts here. The t app
was actually created by a guy named Sean Cook, which
I found to be very interesting. It wasn't created by
a woman, and apparently he told The New York Times
that he created the app after witnessing his mom have
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negative experiences with online dating, so it seems like the
app was created in a you know, a safe and
positive uh way for women to date. Some of the
things that I think that are missed when we talk
about this particular app is that they integrated some interesting
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features into it, like reverse image search to catch people
that are catfishing each other. There's also a phone number
look up, which the site actually describes as a way
to check for hidden marriages, which.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I think that's interesting because women complain about that in
in online dating.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Also, there's background checks to uncover criminal records. So I
think there's a lot of positive things there for women
as they're dating, and it's some information that I feel like,
you know, you may need in twenty twenty five. As
far as the app itself and the breaches, I mean, man,
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that's that's almost everything you do online, right, so it's
kind of like user beware. I heard a lot of
ladies were putting their driver's licenses in in order to
log on. I'm not sure if that was something that
the app asked for. I don't know where that came from,
but yeah, whenever, it's just It's one of those things
you got to think about, you know. User beware, whenever
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you're using something, you know, outside of something that you yourself created,
you got to think about these things.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Ram's this JA. Let's say.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
All right, longtime listeners will know that this particular take
is in no way reflective of any sort of anti
woman sentiment. That is not my way. I am super
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duper and have been for the majority of my life,
certainly all of my adulthood intentional with the girl power pushka.
But there's a couple of things that stand out to
me as being.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Odd.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, first off, the founder of the the t app,
Sean Cook. Every site that I've looked at shows the
same photograph of a white man smiling, So that feels
a little odd. Given that the apps called tea, which
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is a decidedly black term t meaning information according to aave,
you know, the language that we use when we talk
to each other. So if he's using this term to
appeal to black women, then that feels a little odd,
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especially given the fact that black women are the least
married individual group in the United States. I believe Second
is Asian men, so an app that warns women against
men they're trying to date. Feels on the one hand, like, hey,
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we need to be safe, we need to understand if
these people are you know, two timers, or these people
are dangerous or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Totally get that, But.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The sensitivities around this particular community, I wonder if they
make their way to a black man who's obviously marketing
this using the language that we speak. In other words,
that feels like he's trying to create an app that
appeals to us, because typically if something is going to
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get set off on the Internet, is black people that
are going to set it off. So I don't know
if we're being used. I don't know if we're being
thrown under the bus. I don't know if our conditions
in our communities are being exacerbated so that this man
can make a profit. But it feels odd. Okay, now,
if that was the only thing, that might be just
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me thinking, you know the way that I think about this.
But on the other hand, as a person who has
maybe been a victim to cyber bullying, I won't act
like it was anything crazy, nothing to write home about.
I generally speaking, handled my affairs, but you know, I've
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been a popular person where I live for a long time.
It's not me beating my chest. I just I've been
on the radio for decades, so you know, and I've
never been married, so you know, you end up in
places where people talk about people, right, And you know, again,
bullying is too strong a term, but my name has
come up on the precursor and the what would I
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call it, the the early versions of this app because
there used to be places on Facebook and we're just
basically these groups where they said, hey, don't date these guys, right,
And somebody put me on one of these these groups,
and then immediately everybody came to my defense. They're like, oh,
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don't worry, he's like super into the community.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Take this down. Blah blah blah. That's what I heard.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I never got to see it. But the fact that
somebody can just take their version of a story that
has no additional context. I don't even know what it said.
I just know that I ended up in that group.
And again, I've lived my life doing my best to
do right by everyone. I would never intentionally hurt anyone,
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you know what I mean? Why would I What do
I stand in game? By hurting people or deceiving people
or anything like that. To have my name come up
in a place like that was so hurtful and it
was so embarrassing. It was like humiliating. And even though
everybody came to my defense and even though nothing bad
was said, nothing like like like on par with bullying, certainly,
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the fact that my name was associated with that group,
that Facebook group was humiliating. Like, I have children, you know,
community that I serve, and so this app to me
feels like akin to cyberbullying, right, And I could imagine
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the reaction that there would that would take place if
there were the reverse app right, or the reverse whatever
that was super popular and people were saying, hey, this
woman is known for doing this, or this woman has
a history of doing that, or here's information I have
on this woman. And then imagine you finding out that
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there is a group of men discussing what you would
consider to be your personal affairs and they have a
very one sided approach to it, and it paints you
in an exceptionally unflattering light and you don't even have
access to it to know what they're saying. That would
feel very hurtful and would feel similar to cyberbullying. So
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it strikes me as sort of low vibrational, like high schoolish.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Fortunately, I've lived a life that I can be proud of.
I mean, for the most part, I don't get everything right,
so you know, I kind of stand by my story,
I guess, but I worry that other people might take
this and run with it, and this will look back
on this as a further devolving of the culture in
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a manner of speaking. So I hope that doesn't ruffle
too many feathers out there. But I've always done my
best to be very honest with our listeners, and I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
On the one hand, again, I'm glad that people get
information you're not going to get ax murdered. But for
the most part, people don't get ax murdered on dates.
That's like, that's not the way it works, you know,
for the most I mean, it does happen, sure, but
to build an app around the statistical probability that you
might something like that might happen feels I don't know.
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But to be fair, I've never walked in the shoes
of a woman. I don't know what it's like. And
if this makes people feel safer, than so be it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Good luck and.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Godspeed, Black Information Network news anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty
Jordan are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
All right, up next, we have news regarding former NFL
pro and Colorado head coach Dion Sanders. Tammy, let's go
back to you give us an update on the coach
prime story. And then Misty and of course Q, we're
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gonna get your reactions to.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, Dion was diagnosed with cancer and he said was
a very aggressive form of cancer, but says that doctors
were actually able to cure it with an alternative procedure,
but it involved removing his bladder and creating a new
one with his own intestines. Now, doctor Jeffrey mount Varner,
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who's an emergency room physician in Maryland, he told NBC
News that black people are less likely to get bladder cancer,
but are more likely to die from it. And one
of the reasons why is because once again, we don't
usually go to the hospital and get checked out. And
he's saying that it's a very simple test where they
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checked to see if there is blood in your urine
and that can kind of give them a heads up
of what you may end up, you know, having an
issue with especially when it comes to bladder cancer. But
he made the announcement during a press conference, and Sanders
is urging everyone to get checked out because you know,
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I guess he's feeling like if he would have gotten
checked out earlier, he would have probably known. Something interesting
that Barner also said is that seventy percent of cancers
are tied to food consumption, especially when it comes to
fast food and ultra process products.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Misty, what I appreciate about Dion is I feel like
he does everything big, you know, I feel like that's
he's been that way from the beginning, and he has
kept with the theme. I appreciated that when he came forward,
he started saying, you know, I think that men should
go and get checked and then he backed up and said,
you know, I think that everyone should go. And he was,
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in my opinion, transparent when he said, you know, I
actually went to the doctor for something else. You know,
we know that Dion has been dealing with blood clots,
We know that he had surgery on his foot, there
are some other things going on with him health wise,
and so he's been a little bit more tight lipped
about exactly what was going on. And I think there
was a lot of like, what is happening with Dian
Is he going to be back coaching this year?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
What's actually happening?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And so I appreciated that he actually came forward, in
true Prime fashion, held the press conference, you know, made
it an appointment for us to all kind of gather
and listen, and then you know, gave the payoff of
this is important and your health is important, and Tammy's right.
Oftentimes in our community we don't actually have a primary
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care physician. We use urgent care as our primary physician,
you know, or we use the emergency room for doctor's,
dentists and otherwise. So I appreciated that he came forward
and said, I went to the doctor for something else
and they found this, and I'm happy. And so what
I a quote that I actually used from him on
the air was if this can happen to Prime, this
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can happen to you. And I think that that is
certainly an important message that we all probably can look
a little, you know, for all of us, for our parents,
for our uncles and grandmothers and grandfathers. I think it's
a little nudge for all of us to kind of okay,
am I really you know, making these appointments. I went
and I went and got my t claim the other day, Like,
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you know what Prime is, all right, I want to
make a dentist appointment, and I think that I like that.
What I don't love as much is Cruci. I fel
like there was a lot of focus on, you know,
her being in the waiting room reflect that was trending
a lot on Instagram, and I feel like, honestly, some
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of the news and some of the importance behind his diagnosis,
his message to the community kind of got buried a
little bit once they showed video of Krucci crying beside
him and with him, and then it started how big
is their age gap and all those types of things,
And I feel like the message was kind of buried
a little bit, and I would like for that to
kind of go down and kind of talk more about
health in our community and the importance of diet, seeing
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a doctor and taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Sure, you.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Know, Coach Prime's message in the wake of this goes
directly back to his relationship with God, and it's an
interesting thing. Like everybody thinks they know Ramses, but I
know Ramses, and I think Prime approaches his relationship with
God like that, Like everybody thinks they know God, but
God is my guy. Like you would think he could
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text God directly and get a text right back, or
God will answer on the first ring for him, and
he presents it that way, and I think that might
be his actual view. Look at Coach Prime's life man
one of the best football players to ever live, an
All star baseball player, an all star broadcaster, an all
star coach with two sons set to make NFL rosters
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this year. Like if anybody could scream God as good
as Coach Prime. So in the wake of this diagnosis,
I think that's the first thing that he said, right,
like all praise to God and him celebrating, you know,
his spirituality in that way. Like Misty said, a lot
of the attention in the wake of the announcement went
immediately to what his relationship might be with Carucci and
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taking away him bringing the awareness to all people that
the doctor should not just be a response to some
symptom that you feel, but that we should, you know,
participate in preventive care and go get checked out and
go get tested. So, like my sister said, I don't
want us to lose the messaging in the juicier story
or in the tea if you will, Let's all go
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get checked out. Let's go to the dentist, Let's get
our teeth clean, let's get our physicals done. Let's take
better care of ourselves and be or preventive and not
wait until we have symptoms that might point out a
far greater problem that we could have avoided. Our final
story for this week comes from Arkansas, where a far
right nationalist group has set up a community for quote
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white's only unquote Misty, tell us more about this story, Tammy,
and ramses, if you can bear it, please give us
some insight as well.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I'm happy you took a breathk you, because that just
reminded me to take one as well.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Gay man, Yeah, let me breathe through this one.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
So there's about forty people who live in Ozark Hills
in Arkansas, and they have a group they call themselves
a White Christians Return to the Land is actually the
name of the group, and they were founded in twenty
twenty three, so this is not necessarily a new group.
I was hoping this is something that had happened under
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this administration, but no, they've been around and they have
one hundred and sixty acres of land, and they said
they've declared it as whites only settlement and they exclude
Jewish people, LGBTQ individuals, fellows with non European religions.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Of course it excludes blacks.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
They didn't necessarily say that, but I think that definitely
goes without saying. What I find even more interesting, I
even would say heavy, is that they have hundreds of
paid memberships. So they have forty active members, but hundreds
of paid memberships to join the returns to the land.
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Some of the members are police officers and federal agents.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
That, in my opinion, is terrifying.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So this is a little bit about The bigger question
is is this actually legal? And so the state attorney
general said that his office is actually looking into this
to see if it's Of course, ina A c P
and civil rights agencies groups are looking and they're saying
is likely unlegal. So they say that because they have
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an LLC, their their structure exempts it from the Fair
Housing Act, and because of that they say.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
It is legal.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Oh wow, I think it should be illegal for law
enforcement to be openly and blatantly racist. But that's an
entirely different conversation. Uh, Timmy, you got some insight for us.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh yeah, mine, mine's a little bit opposite. I'm always
happy when people are happy, and and that's me personally.
The only concern that I see as someone that's been
on this earth for years.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Some people have raised concerns about the future of this community,
citing whether the people will eventually go rogue. And if
we look at history as a teacher, it teaches us
when people go off into these type of communities, they
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end up creating cults. I heard Missy talk about membership
and not the best things happen behind tall fences and
lock doors. So if they're happy, I'm happy. But I
think that once again, history tells us that these type
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of complexes, these type of off the grid, go by ourselves,
don't always end up working out the best. But like
my people from Jackson, Mississippi would say, blessed they love hearts.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
So, Timmy, are you happy to see who they are?
Is that? Like I would rather know who you are.
I want to know who my enemy is. So I have.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Actually, I think it was as recent as yesterday saw
something uh that said that we're happy to at least
know that people that have racial feelings about others that
are racists are trying to take themselves out of communities
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and and go over here so that we clearly see
who they are. So that's the standpoint of some people,
and I think that's an it's an interesting viewpoint. It's
like how we talk about police officers sometimes being having
bad apples in the ranks. However, I don't think it's
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necessarily solving a problem because you I don't think you
can always say that every everyone over there is going
to be racist. I don't think that's always going to
be a true statement. And you got to remember they
may go back home to stay there, to live there,
to rest their head, But the question is are they
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still going to be on that job at the end
of the day. They're still going to be coming back
and forth. Somebody even brought up the fact that, hey,
if you're going to live out there, that means that
you can't have Chinese food, African food, creal food to
live off the land and do whatever it is that
your particular group of people are able to produce. I
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just think I think the whole thing is interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It's it's interesting to have the complexion to be allowed
the agency and the autonomy to set up your own
city and not worry about it being burned to the ground.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But ramses Jah, take us home. Yeah, man, you.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Know some interesting thanks to consider here. You're absolutely right,
you know, them living there, but interacting with people as
police officers or you know, federal agents or whatever is
still that still you know, touches a lot of people
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in whatever communities that they work in. But you know
a couple of things there. If I had to interact
with a police officer that was racist, that would be
one thing. If I had to interact with a police
officer who was racist who was also my neighbor, that
would be a nightmarish reality. The truth is, you interact
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with the police once every however often right, you interact
with your neighbor daily, maybe in some instances, you know,
and you feel that anger and you feel that you know,
I know, people would live next door to hostile neighbors
and they can make your life really challenging. So the
fact that they want to disappear into the woods, I
(32:07):
say good. I also remember reading that they had goats
out there, and they indeed were trying to return to
the land. So you know, that means that a good
number of those people are going to have to stay
there to cultivate the land. So these people as a
group aren't going to be interacting with people. They're going
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to live and work in the same place. So to that,
I say, good, This is something I wouldn't have expected
under Trump two point zero. I got to be fair,
I thought Donald Trump had won this country back for
those people. The fact that they still feel like they're
not getting their just due and that we are all
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somehow encroaching on their rights and their freedoms and their land,
and that they're not getting what they want so far
in Trump two point zero, they've decided to go and
create it themselves. I say good. There's three more developments
on the way. So that means that they can find
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the racists in other states and have them all disappear
off into the woods too. Again, I say good. And
as far as you know, like racism is taught, nobody
is born racist. So they're probably going to be indoctrinating
their children, if indeed they plan on educating their children
(33:37):
at all. So I would imagine that this community is
going to continue to create racist people, people that are
separatist people that don't really work well in a mixed
society like we have in this country. I remember one
of the articles I read suggested that the leadership sort
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of espoused some of the teachings Adolf Hitler. So this
is what we have. And we all know that these
people exist in this country. We all know that their
police officer, we all know that they're judges. We already
know that the fact that they don't want to interact
with us anymore than they have to. Again, I say good,
And the long term effect of a society like this
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sure will. I will see it entirely that any loss
of human life that is, you know, savable, is a tragedy.
I don't want to see anybody die. I don't want
to see anybody. I don't want to see anything become
a cult. But I kind of feel like racist groups
like this already kind of are knocking on that door.
(34:43):
So eh, but I don't want to see like little
girls get hurt and stuff like that. That feels like
too much. So my heart breaks for anybody that's affected
by that, if indeed it goes in that direction. But
what's more likely to happen is that if this experiment,
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if we'll call it, that is given enough time to
really stretch its legs and you know, find learn what
it's going to be. I think that this group would
be affected by things like inbreeding and like you know,
(35:30):
maybe diseases and stuff like that long before you know,
any anything else happens to these folks. And you know,
we already see that. You know, there are communities in
the Appalachian Mountains, and there's all kinds of stuff like
that around this country, and little pockets here and there.
(35:51):
There's white only communities of poor people. Because that's kind
of what we're looking at. They don't really have a
real economic base here to create the next great billionaire. So,
you know, poor white communities that hate everybody else for
their problems. Instead of the Republican leadership, that kind of
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exacerbates their condition. You know, they end up inbred, they
end up miserable, they end up you know, further blaming
others for their problems. And the fact that you know,
those people are often relegated to you know, mountain communities
and trailer parks and things like this. And this is
not me making fun of anybody. This is just kind
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of the reality that I've seen. This is just kind
of a glorified trailer park to me, and again, as
long as it keeps those people from affecting our material reality,
those of us who have understood that we share this
planet with other human beings and other species, and other
tribes and other cultures, and we do our best to
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find the beauty in those in that reality and try
not to hyper focus on the divisions in that reality.
Those people want to disappear into the woods again, I
say good, So you know, I wish them well and
I hope they find their way. I don't love their ideology,
but I'm glad that they won't be affecting again to
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the degree that they otherwise could the material reality of
those of us who've opted to place brotherhood and sisterhood
and fellowship at the center of our lives so well
that in mind, we're going to leave it right there.
I'd like to thank you both very much for your
time and your insight. Great first show you too. Once again.
Today's Guts are Black Information Network News anchors Tammy Estwick
(37:38):
and Misty Jordan.
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Thank you for having us. This is nice. It was
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I love it.
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It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the Black
Information Network. Today, we are joined by Black Information Network
news anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan to discuss this
week's major stories. This is the QR code.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
He is q Ward and he is ramses Jah.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
All right, Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan, welcome to the show.
This is your first time hanging out with us, so
let's uh, let's do some introductions. Tammy, how about you
start first, tell us a little bit about yourself and
acquaint our listeners to your brand of journalism.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, I am a longtime television journalist turn national correspondent.
Spent many many years in the sip Mississippi from Greenville
to Jackson, made my way back home to New Orleans,
and then became a national correspondent. Did my thing across
(01:00):
the country before settling in and being at the Black
Information Network, which is absolutely awesome because this is kind
of my digs. I like talking about things that affect
my community, all right, and Misty.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Hi too.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
So I am from Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
I got my start in news as a TV reporter
entertainment stuff. And then I've worked for iHeart for about
eighteen years actually, and I've worked for doing reporting to
also a sports anchor. I've worked in markets and TV
in Columbus, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Detroit. So I've kind of made
(01:44):
the rounds. And now I actually live in Atlanta, Georgia.
My husband's from here, and so we ended up moving
to Atlanta from North Carolina actually, and I have a
son and who is a wild child. And I am
a yogi, I'm a hiker, and I am a mimosa contosur.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Mad none of that. Okay, all right, Well, we got
some qualified correspondence here with us today, some fantastic anchors,
and I'm excited to get your thoughts on the stories
that we've been monitoring all week. So let's get to
it first.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Up.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
After using his political connections to block the release of
the Jeffrey Epstein files, President Trump is now attempting to
create more distractions from the case by accusing prominent black
figures of a variety of crimes, including one of the
biggest entertainers of our time, Tammy. Let's get today's show
started with you tell us more about Trump's latest target
and then MISTERY and Q, we're going to get your
thoughts right after that.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
So there's a lot to cover on this, and first
let's start off with I love the fact that you
use the word distraction, because that's exactly what many people
are calling this a distraction to take the heat off
himself because of the Jeffrey Epstein files. But this is
an old claim actually from last year. The claim, nonetheless
(03:06):
is here Trump calling for the prosecution of Beyonce, Oprah
Al Sharpton, and others. When it comes to Beyonce, however,
he claims that she took eleven million dollars for endorsing
then presidential candidate hopeful Kamala Harris. Now, Beyonce did endorse
the candidate in twenty twenty four during a Houston rally,
(03:29):
according to CNN, but was never paid to endorse Harris. Now,
the question comes up, as how do we know this? Well,
Harris has a campaign spokesperson who told CNN that Beyonce
was not paid for the endorsement. FactCheck dot org and
PolitiFact have both checked the claim and alleged that the
(03:49):
eleven million dollar payout was never found. They couldn't find
anything in reference to it. And remember when you're dealing
with politics, you have to report these things to the
federal government when you're candidate, and there was once again,
no eleven million dollar payment found. Now, what the Harris
Camp did say is this to CNN that they were
(04:10):
required by law to cover the cost of appearances. So
what does that mean. That could be anything from let's
say a DJ to sound systems, to travel, accommodations, licensing
usage rights. It could also be security right, so that's
in that spectrum. But what they did find was a
(04:33):
one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars payment to Beyonce's
production company, which was listed as a campaign event production expense,
which is basically what we're mentioning here when it comes
to the cost of the appearance. But nonetheless, like we said,
this is an old claim. Beyonce's mom, Tina Knowles, has
(04:55):
already spoke about this back in November when it first
came up. She called the claim a lie when it
came up on an Instagram post and said that it
was false information. And she said proof of that was
the fact that Instagram itself took the post down.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
Mister your thoughts, I think this is wild I think
that it's interesting, and I definitely agree with Tammy and
everyone else who was saying that this is a distraction.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think that it's timely. I think that it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
This is more than a year ago, and it's been
on Instagram and you know, magazines and everyone has come
forward and actually addressed the claims, and so I do
think it's interesting that while he's really the heat is
certainly ramping up with the Epstein files and what his
connection to Epstein is was, with his letter coming on
(05:49):
his birth the note he gave to him for his birthday,
as we kind of start to get more information about
their relationship and maybe some of the intricate details that
weren't necessarily available, and now they've talked to Gilaane Maxwell.
So these things, to me feel like this is certainly
getting hot, and so I think that when things get hot,
he's like, here's some smoke. I'll distract you with this.
(06:11):
And I think for some I'm thinking it's core. I
think that it's worked. Honestly, Yeah, cute.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
I won't spend a lot of time here.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
The president insults his base so often, like not only
does he legislate against their best interest, but he insults
their intelligence and brags about it. He brags about how
well he does with the poorly educated, and then he
throws these distractions at them that are so obviously distractioned
and so obviously false, because he knows they'll fall for it,
(06:43):
and they should feel insulted by that.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You know, Hey, Beyonce, Barack Obama, Oprah.
Speaker 6 (06:47):
Black people dance, and then his base dances and they
celebrate like he just did something special by just naming
black people and throwing allegations at them with no proof
and even worse than no proof, things that have been
proved false already. He knows he can just reuse it
and throw it out there, and his base will will
we'll celebrate, you know, their their messiah and some new
(07:11):
thing that he you know, thinks he's pulled over on them.
But you know, as as we've heard, it works sadly
so and we'll see how this turns out. Uh, you know,
another Trump smoke bomb, as Missy said, Yeah, it's a
it's a sad time for MAGA. Moving on, despite a
(07:34):
recent data breach, there's a new relationship app going viral,
gaining popularity in the black community. Misty Let's start with
you this time, tell us more about this dating app
and its primary focus Tammy and ramsas you guys can
follow up next.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
So it's called the Tea App.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And this is something that I feel like women have
kind of had these platforms. They've gone from Lipstick Alley,
Don't datumgirl dot com. So now this is the newest
of this type of a platform, of a sisterhood for women.
The app was actually established back in twenty twenty three
and it was kind of at that point one of
those if you know you knows and then about a
(08:11):
week ago they've gone from four million viewers and then
out of they dropped another one million users that actually
subscribed to the app. So the app promises to be
a safe space, a dating tool for women to share
red flags if you're dating someone. They even promised to
do background checks on the app. So, unfortunately for the
(08:34):
women that have logged on and created some apps or
created excuse me, a profile on the app, seventy two
thousand images were exposed from a leaked site. They're not
calling it a breach, they're actually calling it a leak.
Even though thousands of users records, online records were actually
(08:54):
leaked thirteen thousand selfies were exposed and fifty nine thousand
and direct messages were exposed. That's a lot of data,
private data that you know you're supposed to get, you
think is being exchanged between you and the app and.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Maybe other women.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Well recently, as in yesterday, there was a second leak.
So the first leak happened July twenty fifth, and then
yesterday there was a new leak. This one was like
one point one million private messages between the users and
the platform. So I'm not sure if it's enough to
(09:32):
have women feel like maybe we shouldn't share the data here,
because again, this is they have a platform on Facebook.
So this is just one of many that women have
used to share information about people maybe they may be
interested in, or someone that they have dated and they
want to want other women don't date him.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Tap me on the tea.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
On the tea, well, I'm drinking my coffee and chicory.
Well look, so just some facts here. The t app
was actually created by a guy named Sean Cook, which
I found to be very interesting. It wasn't created by
a woman, and apparently he told The New York Times
that he created the app after witnessing his mom have
(10:19):
negative experiences with online dating, so it seems like the
app was created in a you know, a safe and
positive uh way for women to date. Some of the
things that I think that are missed when we talk
about this particular app is that they integrated some interesting
(10:40):
features into it, like reverse image search to catch people
that are catfishing each other. There's also a phone number
look up, which the site actually describes as a way
to check for hidden marriages, which.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
I think that's interesting because women complain about that in
in online dating.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Also, there's background checks to uncover criminal records. So I
think there's a lot of positive things there for women
as they're dating, and it's some information that I feel like,
you know, you may need in twenty twenty five. As
far as the app itself and the breaches, I mean, man,
(11:28):
that's that's almost everything you do online, right, so it's
kind of like user beware. I heard a lot of
ladies were putting their driver's licenses in in order to
log on. I'm not sure if that was something that
the app asked for. I don't know where that came from,
but yeah, whenever, it's just It's one of those things
you got to think about, you know. User beware, whenever
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you're using something, you know, outside of something that you yourself created,
you got to think about these things.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Ram's this JA. Let's say.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
All right, longtime listeners will know that this particular take
is in no way reflective of any sort of anti
woman sentiment. That is not my way. I am super
(12:27):
duper and have been for the majority of my life,
certainly all of my adulthood intentional with the girl power pushka.
But there's a couple of things that stand out to
me as being.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Odd.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, first off, the founder of the the t app,
Sean Cook. Every site that I've looked at shows the
same photograph of a white man smiling, So that feels
a little odd. Given that the apps called tea, which
(13:11):
is a decidedly black term t meaning information according to aave,
you know, the language that we use when we talk
to each other. So if he's using this term to
appeal to black women, then that feels a little odd,
(13:35):
especially given the fact that black women are the least
married individual group in the United States. I believe Second
is Asian men, so an app that warns women against
men they're trying to date. Feels on the one hand, like, hey,
(13:57):
we need to be safe, we need to understand if
these people are you know, two timers, or these people
are dangerous or whatever.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Totally get that, But.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
The sensitivities around this particular community, I wonder if they
make their way to a black man who's obviously marketing
this using the language that we speak. In other words,
that feels like he's trying to create an app that
appeals to us, because typically if something is going to
(14:28):
get set off on the Internet, is black people that
are going to set it off. So I don't know
if we're being used. I don't know if we're being
thrown under the bus. I don't know if our conditions
in our communities are being exacerbated so that this man
can make a profit. But it feels odd. Okay, now,
if that was the only thing, that might be just
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me thinking, you know the way that I think about this.
But on the other hand, as a person who has
maybe been a victim to cyber bullying, I won't act
like it was anything crazy, nothing to write home about.
I generally speaking, handled my affairs, but you know, I've
(15:14):
been a popular person where I live for a long time.
It's not me beating my chest. I just I've been
on the radio for decades, so you know, and I've
never been married, so you know, you end up in
places where people talk about people, right, And you know, again,
bullying is too strong a term, but my name has
come up on the precursor and the what would I
(15:37):
call it, the the early versions of this app because
there used to be places on Facebook and we're just
basically these groups where they said, hey, don't date these guys, right,
And somebody put me on one of these these groups,
and then immediately everybody came to my defense. They're like, oh,
(15:58):
don't worry, he's like super into the community.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Take this down. Blah blah blah. That's what I heard.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I never got to see it. But the fact that
somebody can just take their version of a story that
has no additional context. I don't even know what it said.
I just know that I ended up in that group.
And again, I've lived my life doing my best to
do right by everyone. I would never intentionally hurt anyone,
(16:25):
you know what I mean? Why would I What do
I stand in game? By hurting people or deceiving people
or anything like that. To have my name come up
in a place like that was so hurtful and it
was so embarrassing. It was like humiliating. And even though
everybody came to my defense and even though nothing bad
was said, nothing like like like on par with bullying, certainly,
(16:51):
the fact that my name was associated with that group,
that Facebook group was humiliating. Like, I have children, you know,
community that I serve, and so this app to me
feels like akin to cyberbullying, right, And I could imagine
(17:12):
the reaction that there would that would take place if
there were the reverse app right, or the reverse whatever
that was super popular and people were saying, hey, this
woman is known for doing this, or this woman has
a history of doing that, or here's information I have
on this woman. And then imagine you finding out that
(17:34):
there is a group of men discussing what you would
consider to be your personal affairs and they have a
very one sided approach to it, and it paints you
in an exceptionally unflattering light and you don't even have
access to it to know what they're saying. That would
feel very hurtful and would feel similar to cyberbullying. So
(17:57):
it strikes me as sort of low vibrational, like high schoolish.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Fortunately, I've lived a life that I can be proud of.
I mean, for the most part, I don't get everything right,
so you know, I kind of stand by my story,
I guess, but I worry that other people might take
this and run with it, and this will look back
on this as a further devolving of the culture in
(18:24):
a manner of speaking. So I hope that doesn't ruffle
too many feathers out there. But I've always done my
best to be very honest with our listeners, and I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Man.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
On the one hand, again, I'm glad that people get
information you're not going to get ax murdered. But for
the most part, people don't get ax murdered on dates.
That's like, that's not the way it works, you know,
for the most I mean, it does happen, sure, but
to build an app around the statistical probability that you
might something like that might happen feels I don't know.
(18:55):
But to be fair, I've never walked in the shoes
of a woman. I don't know what it's like. And
if this makes people feel safer, than so be it.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Good luck and.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Godspeed, Black Information Network news anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty
Jordan are here with us discussing this week's major stories.
All right, up next, we have news regarding former NFL
pro and Colorado head coach Dion Sanders. Tammy, let's go
back to you give us an update on the coach
prime story. And then Misty and of course Q, we're
(19:23):
gonna get your reactions to.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah, Dion was diagnosed with cancer and he said was
a very aggressive form of cancer, but says that doctors
were actually able to cure it with an alternative procedure,
but it involved removing his bladder and creating a new
one with his own intestines. Now, doctor Jeffrey mount Varner,
(19:46):
who's an emergency room physician in Maryland, he told NBC
News that black people are less likely to get bladder cancer,
but are more likely to die from it. And one
of the reasons why is because once again, we don't
usually go to the hospital and get checked out. And
he's saying that it's a very simple test where they
(20:08):
checked to see if there is blood in your urine
and that can kind of give them a heads up
of what you may end up, you know, having an
issue with especially when it comes to bladder cancer. But
he made the announcement during a press conference, and Sanders
is urging everyone to get checked out because you know,
(20:30):
I guess he's feeling like if he would have gotten
checked out earlier, he would have probably known. Something interesting
that Barner also said is that seventy percent of cancers
are tied to food consumption, especially when it comes to
fast food and ultra process products.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Misty, what I appreciate about Dion is I feel like
he does everything big, you know, I feel like that's
he's been that way from the beginning, and he has
kept with the theme. I appreciated that when he came forward,
he started saying, you know, I think that men should
go and get checked and then he backed up and said,
you know, I think that everyone should go. And he was,
(21:11):
in my opinion, transparent when he said, you know, I
actually went to the doctor for something else. You know,
we know that Dion has been dealing with blood clots,
We know that he had surgery on his foot, there
are some other things going on with him health wise,
and so he's been a little bit more tight lipped
about exactly what was going on. And I think there
was a lot of like, what is happening with Dian
Is he going to be back coaching this year?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
What's actually happening?
Speaker 5 (21:33):
And so I appreciated that he actually came forward, in
true Prime fashion, held the press conference, you know, made
it an appointment for us to all kind of gather
and listen, and then you know, gave the payoff of
this is important and your health is important, and Tammy's right.
Oftentimes in our community we don't actually have a primary
(21:53):
care physician. We use urgent care as our primary physician,
you know, or we use the emergency room for doctor's,
dentists and otherwise. So I appreciated that he came forward
and said, I went to the doctor for something else
and they found this, and I'm happy. And so what
I a quote that I actually used from him on
the air was if this can happen to Prime, this
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can happen to you. And I think that that is
certainly an important message that we all probably can look
a little, you know, for all of us, for our parents,
for our uncles and grandmothers and grandfathers. I think it's
a little nudge for all of us to kind of okay,
am I really you know, making these appointments. I went
and I went and got my t claim the other day, Like,
(22:36):
you know what Prime is, all right, I want to
make a dentist appointment, and I think that I like that.
What I don't love as much is Cruci. I fel
like there was a lot of focus on, you know,
her being in the waiting room reflect that was trending
a lot on Instagram, and I feel like, honestly, some
(22:57):
of the news and some of the importance behind his diagnosis,
his message to the community kind of got buried a
little bit once they showed video of Krucci crying beside
him and with him, and then it started how big
is their age gap and all those types of things,
And I feel like the message was kind of buried
a little bit, and I would like for that to
kind of go down and kind of talk more about
health in our community and the importance of diet, seeing
(23:20):
a doctor and taking care of ourselves.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Sure, you.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Know, Coach Prime's message in the wake of this goes
directly back to his relationship with God, and it's an
interesting thing. Like everybody thinks they know Ramses, but I
know Ramses, and I think Prime approaches his relationship with
God like that, Like everybody thinks they know God, but
God is my guy. Like you would think he could
(23:46):
text God directly and get a text right back, or
God will answer on the first ring for him, and
he presents it that way, and I think that might
be his actual view. Look at Coach Prime's life man
one of the best football players to ever live, an
All star baseball player, an all star broadcaster, an all
star coach with two sons set to make NFL rosters
(24:08):
this year. Like if anybody could scream God as good
as Coach Prime. So in the wake of this diagnosis,
I think that's the first thing that he said, right,
like all praise to God and him celebrating, you know,
his spirituality in that way. Like Misty said, a lot
of the attention in the wake of the announcement went
immediately to what his relationship might be with Carucci and
(24:30):
taking away him bringing the awareness to all people that
the doctor should not just be a response to some
symptom that you feel, but that we should, you know,
participate in preventive care and go get checked out and
go get tested. So, like my sister said, I don't
want us to lose the messaging in the juicier story
or in the tea if you will, Let's all go
(24:53):
get checked out. Let's go to the dentist, Let's get
our teeth clean, let's get our physicals done. Let's take
better care of ourselves and be or preventive and not
wait until we have symptoms that might point out a
far greater problem that we could have avoided. Our final
story for this week comes from Arkansas, where a far
right nationalist group has set up a community for quote
(25:15):
white's only unquote Misty, tell us more about this story, Tammy,
and ramses, if you can bear it, please give us
some insight as well.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
I'm happy you took a breathk you, because that just
reminded me to take one as well.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
Gay man, Yeah, let me breathe through this one.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
So there's about forty people who live in Ozark Hills
in Arkansas, and they have a group they call themselves
a White Christians Return to the Land is actually the
name of the group, and they were founded in twenty
twenty three, so this is not necessarily a new group.
I was hoping this is something that had happened under
(25:52):
this administration, but no, they've been around and they have
one hundred and sixty acres of land, and they said
they've declared it as whites only settlement and they exclude
Jewish people, LGBTQ individuals, fellows with non European religions.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
Of course it excludes blacks.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
They didn't necessarily say that, but I think that definitely
goes without saying. What I find even more interesting, I
even would say heavy, is that they have hundreds of
paid memberships. So they have forty active members, but hundreds
of paid memberships to join the returns to the land.
(26:38):
Some of the members are police officers and federal agents.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
That, in my opinion, is terrifying.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
So this is a little bit about The bigger question
is is this actually legal? And so the state attorney
general said that his office is actually looking into this
to see if it's Of course, ina A c P
and civil rights agencies groups are looking and they're saying
is likely unlegal. So they say that because they have
(27:13):
an LLC, their their structure exempts it from the Fair
Housing Act, and because of that they say.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
It is legal.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
Oh wow, I think it should be illegal for law
enforcement to be openly and blatantly racist. But that's an
entirely different conversation. Uh, Timmy, you got some insight for us.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Uh yeah, mine, mine's a little bit opposite. I'm always
happy when people are happy, and and that's me personally.
The only concern that I see as someone that's been
on this earth for years.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Some people have raised concerns about the future of this community,
citing whether the people will eventually go rogue. And if
we look at history as a teacher, it teaches us
when people go off into these type of communities, they
(28:18):
end up creating cults. I heard Missy talk about membership
and not the best things happen behind tall fences and
lock doors. So if they're happy, I'm happy. But I
think that once again, history tells us that these type
(28:41):
of complexes, these type of off the grid, go by ourselves,
don't always end up working out the best. But like
my people from Jackson, Mississippi would say, blessed they love hearts.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
So, Timmy, are you happy to see who they are?
Is that? Like I would rather know who you are.
I want to know who my enemy is. So I have.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Actually, I think it was as recent as yesterday saw
something uh that said that we're happy to at least
know that people that have racial feelings about others that
are racists are trying to take themselves out of communities
(29:30):
and and go over here so that we clearly see
who they are. So that's the standpoint of some people,
and I think that's an it's an interesting viewpoint. It's
like how we talk about police officers sometimes being having
bad apples in the ranks. However, I don't think it's
(29:54):
necessarily solving a problem because you I don't think you
can always say that every everyone over there is going
to be racist. I don't think that's always going to
be a true statement. And you got to remember they
may go back home to stay there, to live there,
to rest their head, But the question is are they
(30:15):
still going to be on that job at the end
of the day. They're still going to be coming back
and forth. Somebody even brought up the fact that, hey,
if you're going to live out there, that means that
you can't have Chinese food, African food, creal food to
live off the land and do whatever it is that
your particular group of people are able to produce. I
(30:40):
just think I think the whole thing is interesting.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It's it's interesting to have the complexion to be allowed
the agency and the autonomy to set up your own
city and not worry about it being burned to the ground.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
But ramses Jah, take us home. Yeah, man, you.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Know some interesting thanks to consider here. You're absolutely right,
you know, them living there, but interacting with people as
police officers or you know, federal agents or whatever is
still that still you know, touches a lot of people
(31:24):
in whatever communities that they work in. But you know
a couple of things there. If I had to interact
with a police officer that was racist, that would be
one thing. If I had to interact with a police
officer who was racist who was also my neighbor, that
would be a nightmarish reality. The truth is, you interact
(31:44):
with the police once every however often right, you interact
with your neighbor daily, maybe in some instances, you know,
and you feel that anger and you feel that you know,
I know, people would live next door to hostile neighbors
and they can make your life really challenging. So the
fact that they want to disappear into the woods, I
(32:07):
say good. I also remember reading that they had goats
out there, and they indeed were trying to return to
the land. So you know, that means that a good
number of those people are going to have to stay
there to cultivate the land. So these people as a
group aren't going to be interacting with people. They're going
(32:30):
to live and work in the same place. So to that,
I say, good, This is something I wouldn't have expected
under Trump two point zero. I got to be fair,
I thought Donald Trump had won this country back for
those people. The fact that they still feel like they're
not getting their just due and that we are all
(32:52):
somehow encroaching on their rights and their freedoms and their land,
and that they're not getting what they want so far
in Trump two point zero, they've decided to go and
create it themselves. I say good. There's three more developments
on the way. So that means that they can find
(33:14):
the racists in other states and have them all disappear
off into the woods too. Again, I say good. And
as far as you know, like racism is taught, nobody
is born racist. So they're probably going to be indoctrinating
their children, if indeed they plan on educating their children
(33:37):
at all. So I would imagine that this community is
going to continue to create racist people, people that are
separatist people that don't really work well in a mixed
society like we have in this country. I remember one
of the articles I read suggested that the leadership sort
(33:58):
of espoused some of the teachings Adolf Hitler. So this
is what we have. And we all know that these
people exist in this country. We all know that their
police officer, we all know that they're judges. We already
know that the fact that they don't want to interact
with us anymore than they have to. Again, I say good,
And the long term effect of a society like this
(34:22):
sure will. I will see it entirely that any loss
of human life that is, you know, savable, is a tragedy.
I don't want to see anybody die. I don't want
to see anybody. I don't want to see anything become
a cult. But I kind of feel like racist groups
like this already kind of are knocking on that door.
(34:43):
So eh, but I don't want to see like little
girls get hurt and stuff like that. That feels like
too much. So my heart breaks for anybody that's affected
by that, if indeed it goes in that direction. But
what's more likely to happen is that if this experiment,
(35:06):
if we'll call it, that is given enough time to
really stretch its legs and you know, find learn what
it's going to be. I think that this group would
be affected by things like inbreeding and like you know,
(35:30):
maybe diseases and stuff like that long before you know,
any anything else happens to these folks. And you know,
we already see that. You know, there are communities in
the Appalachian Mountains, and there's all kinds of stuff like
that around this country, and little pockets here and there.
(35:51):
There's white only communities of poor people. Because that's kind
of what we're looking at. They don't really have a
real economic base here to create the next great billionaire. So,
you know, poor white communities that hate everybody else for
their problems. Instead of the Republican leadership, that kind of
(36:11):
exacerbates their condition. You know, they end up inbred, they
end up miserable, they end up you know, further blaming
others for their problems. And the fact that you know,
those people are often relegated to you know, mountain communities
and trailer parks and things like this. And this is
not me making fun of anybody. This is just kind
(36:32):
of the reality that I've seen. This is just kind
of a glorified trailer park to me, and again, as
long as it keeps those people from affecting our material reality,
those of us who have understood that we share this
planet with other human beings and other species, and other
tribes and other cultures, and we do our best to
(36:54):
find the beauty in those in that reality and try
not to hyper focus on the divisions in that reality.
Those people want to disappear into the woods again, I
say good, So you know, I wish them well and
I hope they find their way. I don't love their ideology,
but I'm glad that they won't be affecting again to
(37:16):
the degree that they otherwise could the material reality of
those of us who've opted to place brotherhood and sisterhood
and fellowship at the center of our lives so well
that in mind, we're going to leave it right there.
I'd like to thank you both very much for your
time and your insight. Great first show you too. Once again.
Today's Guts are Black Information Network News anchors Tammy Estwick
(37:38):
and Misty Jordan.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Thank you for having us. This is nice. It was
very exciting and great to meet both of you.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Thank you guys, We appreciate it, and I think we
should get some copies of the sixteen nineteen project and
send out there for Christmas presents.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Indeed, this has been a production of the Black Information Network.
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I am Qward on all social media as well, and we'll.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
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