November 27, 2025 • 31 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
bi IN Today, we are joined by bi N News
anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan to discuss this week's
major stories. This is the QR code. He is q ward.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
He is Ramsay's job.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, you too, Welcome back to the show. Tammy.
Tell me about the latest and the greatest goings on
in your world.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, at this moment, we're just getting ready for the
holiday season.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey man, I heard that, Missy. What's the what's the latest?
What's the news?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Ah? Nothing, just you know, settling into all the Thanksgiving goodies.
I'm using one of my using one of my mom's
recipes over the weekend that she she has dementia, So
a lot of the recipes that I would simply call
her and say, hey Mom, do I need more sugar
or more you know vanilla, she doesn't remember anymore.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
So because I have.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Them printed off, it's really a special time of year
for me to be able to use for recipes that
she has written down so then she doesn't have to
remember any more. And so yeah, my house smells like
hers growing up, So it just feels really good.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh I love that. Okay, all right, well, I hope
you enjoy all the holidays to come. For now, let's
give the people what they came for. First up. Last week,
we reported that former VP Kamala Harris stated that there's
a political disconnect between black women and the Democratic Party.
This week, another prominent black female and the Democratic Party
shared her thoughts on the current climate of politics in
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America and how it impacts political opportunities for female candidates. Misty,
let's get today's show started with you tell us more
about the recent comments made by Michelle Obama, and then
Tammy and QE. We'll get your thoughts afterwards.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So many people feel like Michelle Obama is our forever
first lady, and I would say the age old question
has been Michelle, when are you going to run for president?
And she has shut the rumors down over and your
questions down over and over and over again. But this
time she sat down with Tracy Ellis Ross a few
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weeks ago, and I feel like she really decided to
go ahead and just say, listen, I'm gonna go ahead
and address this for real, for real this time.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And she simply said, quote, we are not ready.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
We saw what happened this past election, and I don't
don't waste my time.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We have a lot of growing up to do. End quote.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I just I really feel like I agree with her.
She says, a lot of men are not ready to
let a woman lead. They don't feel like they can
be led by a woman. And so two of the
last three Democratic nominees for president have been women. Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton and then former Vice President Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Both lost to Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We see mayor elect Detroit Mayor elect Mary Sheffield. I
spoke with her last week about this very thing, and
she said, listen, you know, I am the first in
three hundred years of the city, you know, as I
will be the mayor January first, and there's still a
lot of pressure that, you know, Okay, now I've won
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the election, what can this woman do do? And I
think that it is interesting that unfortunately, you know, it
wasn't that long ago that we were just allowed to
actually vote as women. So to see this it doesn't
feel very surprising to me. And I agree with Michelle Obama.
I don't think that we are ready for a female
president as much as we wanted the numbers say otherwise me.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
So I can totally see where Michelle is coming from,
and I understand the comments that Kamala is making. But
on the other hand, if we don't continue to push
for these things, when will they happen. Do we wait
until there is a sentiment that it is okay for
women to jump into this field and start pushing for
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these things, or do we hit it head on like
we did the civil rights movement and just start pushing
for our seat at the table or the lunch counter
as we see fit, as we see that we belong
there as well.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So I know that.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
People are talking a lot about the statistics of the
race between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump and who voted
for who. You know, we all know that black women
got out and voted for the Democratic candidate for Kamala Harris,
and you know, we see ourselves as we weren't the
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problem here. But I also understand that there is a
long path to go to get certain people to understand
that everyone belongs in these positions.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
This is not just a male position, just a female position.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So me personally, I feel like it's never the wrong time.
I think if you feel like you belong at the table.
I think we do need to push for it, much
like we push for civil rights.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Interesting, interestingly enough, I feel like the party is disconnected
from black people, just black women. And with regards to
the country being ready for a women, Ramses and I
have had this conversation on the show multiple times, and
mister and Tammy, you guys both adopted both of our positions.
The country is simultaneously not ready and we can't stop
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trying right like, they've shown us they'd rather elect the
most incompetent white man ever that a woman twice. So yes,
they've proven in the numbers that they're not ready, but
we cannot stand stagnant and wait for them to get ready.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Our cause has to speed forward.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So I agree with with both of you guys as
perspective on that. Up next, we head to Mississippi, where
prison officials in one county are under investigation for some
disturbing criminal activity inside their own jails. Tammy, you cover
Mississippi news for the network, So this time let's start
with you tell us a little bit more about this story,
and Ramsen, mister, you guys can end this up for us,
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So I have.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Covered Mississippi and prison officials a consistent basis throughout my
entire career, and I got to say, things just don't
get any better. Time and time again, we've seen where
our prison officials have either taken kickbacks or there have
been egregious things happening, like prisoners ending up literally buried
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in places that you don't expect them to be, and
notification for family members has not been what it should
have been.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
There are many people in the community that are calling.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
For reform for all of these places, most recently in
places like Rankin County, where a group of gentlemen were
stripped down and assaulted for what some say, we're having
white women in their presence.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
They've just got the FEDS to agree to pay them out.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
But it's been an ongoing issue in places like Mississippi,
where it seems like even though there is television coverage
of these things, not much seems to get done because
the citizen tree seems to either be a afraid of
the officials or be complicit with what's going on.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Miss t I find this story just really really fascinated.
I'm somebody who gets wrapped up in the you know,
the jail documentaries and all that kind of stuff of
what kind of happens behind bars. What I find probably
most fascinating is that the Department attorney Jason Dare called
the report baseless.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I think that's a pretty bold statement to say.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, I quote him, it's one of the cleanest
and best run jails in rankin County. Are the ranking
county jails one of the cleanest and best run jails.
The sad part is I feel like when someone is
behind bars, you're in a position. The inmates are in
a position where no one is going to believe them.
So if you're in jail, let me guess you're innocent,
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Let me guess you're being mistreated, let me guess. And
so I just don't think that they're in a position
to be able to be heard no matter what. And
I will also say, if this is a jail that's
being operated and run by police officers, we see what
happens out on the street in our communities right where
they're wearing cameras, and there is a huge disconnect between
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how they are actually operating as officers and how we're
being treated as citizens. So if that's happening on the
street where everybody is free, and these are just interactions
with police officers. What is happening behind bars where there
aren't cameras and people are being dragged into dark areas
and corners where there are no cameras. So to say
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that this is baseless to me, screens, We're not going
to investigate anything.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
There's nothing to see here, folks.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Everything's fine if you guys, if they have a problem,
they wouldn't be here. And I think that two things
can be true. There can be a problem, and they
can actually be in jail. But I still think that
every human deserves to have to treat it with some decency.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, he preemptively called it baseless. Two, I thought that
was very suspicious.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Ramses, Well, I think when you think of you know,
you introed this segment and you said two keywords. You
said Mississippi and you said prison. And I think that
that rightfully tells enough of the story using inmates as
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enforcers or you know, whatever they're doing in Mississippi. I
think it it's consistent with what we know about Mississippi,
and I think that it it goes against the idea
that a lot of people have that we are in
a post racial society, there are still facets of this
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country that disproportionately and negatively affect black people. I think
that's well established on this show. And critically, there are
white people who benefit from that system, are used to
prop that system up, use that system to benefit themselves,
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use that system to prop themselves up, or in other
words or other ways protect their legacy, their posterity, their aspirations, etc.
Based on this what we've come to call an invisible superstructure. Now,
if this is the first time you're hearing my voice
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and all that sounds like gobbly gook to you, I implore
you to check out a recent conversation that's not too
different from the conversation we've been having now on this show.
We had a nice long chat with Amy Horowitz. I
believe the full conversation is up and am a conservative.
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Amy is a conservative for folks that don't know, and
he came to the table recently to have a conversation
about the cash bail system. In other words, we were
having a conversation about the car soual system in this country.
And his position is that the narrative that the carceral
system in this country is racist is nonsense. And my
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position is that that sentiment that the carcial system in
this country is racist is valid. And we have a
data driven conversation, you know, to to establish who's more right.
And I would not be inviting you to listen to
that conversation if I did not feel that I gave
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a valuant account of myself in that discussion. And so again,
if this sounds crazy to you, I employed to check
that conversation out, and then I leave as often as
I can the sources where I get all my data
and so forth, and so you can check out the
data for yourself and then check out the methods for
cruing that data so that you can have facts from
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which to draw your conclusions. But yeah, Mississippi prison, nothing
surprises me.
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right here in the app bi In news anchors Tammy
s Wick and Misty Jordan are here with us discussing
this week's major stories. All right up next, South Carolina
lawmakers are currently debating a bill that would undoubtedly impact
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the healthcare options for black women in the state and
possibly nationwide. Misty, let's go back to you. Give us
some more details on this story in South Carolina and
Tammy and Q we'll get you next.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
The South Carolina Abortion Murder Bill. The proposed law would
classify abortion as a homicide, meaning women could be sentenced
to up to thirty years behind bars for having an abortion.
Bill removes every exception, so if a woman is raped
and has an abortion, she could then be charged with
murder or felony homicide and may have to serve decades
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behind bars. Not only is the woman facing charges, legal
experts say anyone who helps her could also be charged,
so that includes family members, even the ride share drivers
that take her to the hospital or the facility where
she decides to have an abortion, or medical professionals doctors,
nurses could all face penalties for simply assisting. Now, this legislation,
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known as the Onborn Child Protection Act, goes further than
any abortion bill recently introduced in the US. In a sentence,
it is mind boggling to me why so many people
are invested in what's happening in a woman's body. If
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you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. If it
is a it is a woman's body, here's her decision.
If she is raped, we have seen I'll say I
can't think of his name off the top of my head,
but the WWE wrestler, he is a black man. His
mother was raped and he was conceived as a result
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of the rape. He openly talks about the trauma of
being born and being conceived in that situation.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
He talks about how broken he has felt, all of
the things.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So now we can actually see a person who has
come from a situation, in addition to a mother saying
what it feels like, are a woman just in general,
what it feels like to be raped. And we're still
trying to decide what women can do with their bodies
mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Tammy Well, I.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Hate to say, you guys are getting a lot of
personal insight into who I am as a person on
this show. This is one of those bills that I
absolutely disagree with. I think that a lot of times
when we have these type of pieces of legislation that
come out, everybody is happy about them because they're part
of these gangs that are like, you know, anti abortion
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or what have you. But I think that we need
to start getting to the core of why these bills
are being drafted. What is the main point of all
this to say that an innocent uber driver has no
idea that you're going there, probably for this procedure, could
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be charged in connection with this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I mean, come on, Like, why is it the.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Uber driver's responsibility to like figure out exactly where you're
going to ask you? Sometimes when you're ubering someone, it's
just the address. It doesn't say you're going to, for instance,
the subway on.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Lakeview Drive or what have you.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
It's absolutely insane that we would draft legislation like this
in a time like this. And like Missy said, if
you yourself don't believe in abortion, don't have the abortion
you have that right.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But why is it that we feel the.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Need to get into a woman's business and tell her
what she's doing with her body is either right or wrong.
And let's not forget history as always to say there
are reasons that I believe are behind this. And a
lot of people have pointed to the fact of the
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decline in the number of Caucasian brethren that are being
born as a reason why they think that these type
of laws are coming out more and more. But I
think we have to settle down, settle in and pay
attention and ask the question of why these things are
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happening and being drafted in order to get to it,
get down to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
If I may, Before you jump in Q. You know,
we live in kind of the information age, And I
follow a couple of people on social media that are
Bible scholars, right. One of them is Dan McClellan and
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another one is Monty Ashley, And these two they typically
will read from the Bible where Jesus spoke Aramaic I
believe is the language, and you know, rather than the
King James translation and all the translation that came later,
they read from the original text, the original translations from
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the Bible. So they've learned these other languages, and they
do these deep scholarly dives and they offer some brilliant insight,
and it shows just how much the Bible has been
warped and distorted to suit the needs of men, not God,
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if you will, and when you go back to the
original translations, the Bible is less a basic instructions before
leaving Earth, you know, as we tend to simplify it,
the ultimate supreme Word of God, that is, you know,
unchanging and all that sort of. It's not that, it's
just not. I mean, I'm a person that grew up
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in church. Q can follow up. We grew up in church, like.
I grew up literally in the church, Like I woke
up and got dressed in the living quarters in the
church building. Like my father was the minister of my grandfather.
So that's how I grew up. And I know, as
soon as you start talking about God, people they either
it's a binary. You're either on one side or the other. No,
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that's not what this is. But I imployed people to always,
you know, check for themselves anyway. Dan McClellan or Monte,
I can't remember which one, but I suspect Dan talks
about abortion in one of his videos. I'm sure he
doesn't in a few, but I caught one recently, and
he talks about how the Bible doesn't have any conversations
about abortion at all, and the closest that the Bible
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comes to abortion is to suggest that if indeed a
woman loses a pregnancy, that the family is entitled to compensation,
meaning that they treated pregnancy not like it was a
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human life, but like it was a debt that could
be paid with money. Right, and so, because it has
been co opted by the right using other cherry pictexts
that have nothing to do specifically with a woman who
is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, the right has
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taken up this cause. And as you mentioned, now, they're
like trying to legislate. Does the mob mentalit? They're trying
to legislate abortion being some sort of great cause championed
by the Lord that justifies imprisoning people who are not
even connected to the root of the issue. This is
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a medical procedure the Bible doesn't speak on. Indeed, the
Bible doesn't speak directly on a lot of things. And
if it does, you know, for Christians to champion it,
they need to make sure that it's in the second
part of the Bible, the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
That is, the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant. Right
if you are a Christian, right, because that's when Christ
comes and gives his set rules. And so I'm starting
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to have a problem with my fellow Christians weaponizing the
Bible for causes that have nothing to do with God.
And I worry that at the end of their lives,
when they realize the harm that they've done in the
name of God, that there will be a reckoning that
they will not have expected. I'm so sorry to step
on your toes there, cue, but you know, anything you
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need to add there, please do it. I just I
think people needed to hear that.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
No, it's just interesting to me that the same people
that want to ban abortion also vote against universal health care,
also vote against housing food assistants, also vote against public
education for the same children that they're saying must be born.
Their agendas is so transparently not about being pro life.
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It's about control. You know, if they actually cared about
the children, they wouldn't actively vote against programs that would
protect and give security to those same children in those
same families. So you know, they're pushing for control and
they're they're pro control and not pro life. It's an
anti abortion thing based on a false premise of Christianity,
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so that they control the bodies of women, and they've
somehow figured out a way to split poor people up
and have us against each other, so people vote against
their own best interest to hold up what they think is,
you know, something based on Christianity. But Rama, you laid
that out perfectly. They've they've warped the text and everything
that it means, and it's a frustrating thing to see
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happen over and over again. Moving on, outspoken Texas Representative
Jasmine Crockett Maide News again this week after sharing her
thoughts on the increasingly hostile political environment she faces each
time she makes comments opposing the Trump administration. Tammy share
with our audience some details on our final story about
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Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett, and I'll tap Misty and Ramses
as we close out.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, thanks so much for letting me help to intro
this story.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
As you know, and as you said, she's outspoken, Jasmine
Crockett will not be silenced, and in a statement she said,
I will not be intimidated. I will not be silenced.
I will continue to show up for the people of
Texas's thirtieth Congressional District. But we cannot pretend that this
is normal when leaders promote hate, hate shows up and
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sometimes right at our door. Now, what happened. Of course,
someone showed up to her DC office and made whites
of premises, threats and hand gestures. Now, we do understand
that everyone is safe from this incident, and she also
thanked Capital Police for their swift response. But basically she's saying,
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like we can't keep acting like this is okay, this happens,
It'll be all right, everyone's fine, Like there has to
be done, something done about this. And what's particularly interesting
about this, I'm a little I'm not surprised, but I'm
a little surprised that more people aren't in an uproar
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because we just finished having this huge conversation about Charlie
Kirk and how one particular side of politics didn't seem
like they were against violence and the other side was
accusing them of being for the violence. So here's the
example of the other side now being targeted with this violence,
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and I need people to speak up against it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I need people to say this is not okay. It's
not okay on either side.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Let me be clear, but I need people to speak
up and say, this is not okay.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Why would you have done that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And we'll stand right there with you, Tommy and echo
that sentiment is absolutely not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Misty.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Here's what I don't like. There were no injuries and
the incident was contained.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I think that that feels so belittling to me because
if you think that someone can say something threatening to you,
show up at your office, make hand gestures, and think
that just because I wasn't physically I don't have any scratches,
you know, I don't have a black eye, that I'm
not injured, You're wrong in my opinion, because if somebody
comes to my job or my home or my child
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school and has threats, does hand gestures, I'm injured, because
that's a big, huge impact. That's a big, huge thing.
I love the fact that she's not going to stand
down behind it though. I love the fact that she's
saying I'm not going to be intimidated. But let me
just say this, Jorda representative Majorie Taylor Green had the
same thing. She had threats, people calling, and all those things,
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and she, in my opinion, is injured because she stepped down,
because these are not just things that you can just
say to people and feel like, now the climate is
if I threaten you and I say a bunch of
crazy stuff, there's a good chance some of this stuff
could happen. And I think that kind of writing this
off like, well, there were no injuries reported, and I
think that you have to say that from a factual standpoint.
I get that we're journalists, right like you have to
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say that, but I think to I feel like it
almost feels as if, you know, so, there's nothing to
see here, folks, but there is.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
And I just think that this.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I feel really encouraged by her position, but if I'm honest,
I also feel worried for her. And I like the
fact that she's saying, listen, people have questioned why I
need security, this is why.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hoping that she gets the actual support and protection that
she needs because the other side is becoming more violent,
more emboldened, and operating it seems, with impunity.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ramses, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Marjorie Taylor
Green because I saw I think it was on CNN,
the Jasmine Crockett And to be fair, you know, you
and I are like Morpheus and Neo, right, so we're
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kind of in the matrix. We get to move a
little differently from typical journalists. That's that's coming directly from
Chris by the way. But but we can offer some
some insight, maybe connect some dots at a little bit
more challenging for you know, traditional journalists to connect. And
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you know, Jasmine Crockett said something the other day, she
said that, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green has been on
the other side of Trump for about a week and
throw in the towel, right, Trump, that's a big name, yep.
And he's got a lot of followers, a lot of supporters,
people that will do his bidding. And she's been on
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the opposite side of him since she's been in Congress.
Marjorie Taylor Green jumps on the other side of Trump
for a week, throws in the towel. And the funny
thing is Jasmine Crockett was on the other side of
Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green, so she had to
deal with the weight of Trump and the way of
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Marjorie Taylor Green. Marjorie Taylor Green only had to deal
with the weight of Trump only for one week, throws
in the towel. So I think this shows how resilient
Jasmine Crockett is and how oh I think it shows, yes,
I said it right, how resilient Jasmin crocket is. But
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it also shows how insidious and tenacious the right is
on this country. Uh, there's there's that's where the violence lies.
The data shows that we I can't find anything that
puts it kind of close. The violence is on the right.
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Every time I see and I'm trying to see where
they get this argument from that the left is the
source of all this political violence. Every time I try
to look for data something the left, the violence that
comes from the left is a tiny, tiny sliver. When
we talk about actual deaths, it's even smaller. And so
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you know, uh, Jasmine Crockett just it breaks my heart
because he's again a friend of the show. Q and
I have personal relationship with her, and so we get
to speak from that vantage point that a lot of
other people, you know, in in this capacity, they can't
really use that in their journalistic approach. But we recognize
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just from interacting with her personally, that she's a good person.
She's fighting a fight that she believes is justin valid,
and she's fighting according to the rules, and she's playing
a fair game. And when you see the people around
her that don't you know if she had been a
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white woman, there had been calls to get her increased security. There,
you know the whole bit. She's doing the most with
the least. And you know, as often as we can
support her, I believe I speak for both of us,
me and Q, we will. She is one of the
great champions of our time. And you know I'm I
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from one am proud of her. So I guess I'll
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
He is Ramsay's job.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
All right, you too, Welcome back to the show. Tammy.
Tell me about the latest and the greatest goings on
in your world.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Well, at this moment, we're just getting ready for the
holiday season.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hey man, I heard that, Missy. What's the what's the latest?
What's the news?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Ah? Nothing, just you know, settling into all the Thanksgiving goodies.
I'm using one of my using one of my mom's
recipes over the weekend that she she has dementia, So
a lot of the recipes that I would simply call
her and say, hey Mom, do I need more sugar
or more you know vanilla, she doesn't remember anymore.
Speaker 5 (00:50):
So because I have.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Them printed off, it's really a special time of year
for me to be able to use for recipes that
she has written down so then she doesn't have to
remember any more. And so yeah, my house smells like
hers growing up, So it just feels really good.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Oh I love that. Okay, all right, well, I hope
you enjoy all the holidays to come. For now, let's
give the people what they came for. First up. Last week,
we reported that former VP Kamala Harris stated that there's
a political disconnect between black women and the Democratic Party.
This week, another prominent black female and the Democratic Party
shared her thoughts on the current climate of politics in
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America and how it impacts political opportunities for female candidates. Misty,
let's get today's show started with you tell us more
about the recent comments made by Michelle Obama, and then
Tammy and QE. We'll get your thoughts afterwards.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
So many people feel like Michelle Obama is our forever
first lady, and I would say the age old question
has been Michelle, when are you going to run for president?
And she has shut the rumors down over and your
questions down over and over and over again. But this
time she sat down with Tracy Ellis Ross a few
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weeks ago, and I feel like she really decided to
go ahead and just say, listen, I'm gonna go ahead
and address this for real, for real this time.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
And she simply said, quote, we are not ready.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
We saw what happened this past election, and I don't
don't waste my time.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
We have a lot of growing up to do. End quote.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
And I just I really feel like I agree with her.
She says, a lot of men are not ready to
let a woman lead. They don't feel like they can
be led by a woman. And so two of the
last three Democratic nominees for president have been women. Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton and then former Vice President Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Both lost to Trump.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
We see mayor elect Detroit Mayor elect Mary Sheffield. I
spoke with her last week about this very thing, and
she said, listen, you know, I am the first in
three hundred years of the city, you know, as I
will be the mayor January first, and there's still a
lot of pressure that, you know, Okay, now I've won
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the election, what can this woman do do? And I
think that it is interesting that unfortunately, you know, it
wasn't that long ago that we were just allowed to
actually vote as women. So to see this it doesn't
feel very surprising to me. And I agree with Michelle Obama.
I don't think that we are ready for a female
president as much as we wanted the numbers say otherwise me.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
So I can totally see where Michelle is coming from,
and I understand the comments that Kamala is making. But
on the other hand, if we don't continue to push
for these things, when will they happen. Do we wait
until there is a sentiment that it is okay for
women to jump into this field and start pushing for
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these things, or do we hit it head on like
we did the civil rights movement and just start pushing
for our seat at the table or the lunch counter
as we see fit, as we see that we belong
there as well.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So I know that.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
People are talking a lot about the statistics of the
race between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump and who voted
for who. You know, we all know that black women
got out and voted for the Democratic candidate for Kamala Harris,
and you know, we see ourselves as we weren't the
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problem here. But I also understand that there is a
long path to go to get certain people to understand
that everyone belongs in these positions.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
This is not just a male position, just a female position.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
So me personally, I feel like it's never the wrong time.
I think if you feel like you belong at the table.
I think we do need to push for it, much
like we push for civil rights.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Interesting, interestingly enough, I feel like the party is disconnected
from black people, just black women. And with regards to
the country being ready for a women, Ramses and I
have had this conversation on the show multiple times, and
mister and Tammy, you guys both adopted both of our positions.
The country is simultaneously not ready and we can't stop
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trying right like, they've shown us they'd rather elect the
most incompetent white man ever that a woman twice. So yes,
they've proven in the numbers that they're not ready, but
we cannot stand stagnant and wait for them to get ready.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Our cause has to speed forward.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
So I agree with with both of you guys as
perspective on that. Up next, we head to Mississippi, where
prison officials in one county are under investigation for some
disturbing criminal activity inside their own jails. Tammy, you cover
Mississippi news for the network, So this time let's start
with you tell us a little bit more about this story,
and Ramsen, mister, you guys can end this up for us,
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So I have.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Covered Mississippi and prison officials a consistent basis throughout my
entire career, and I got to say, things just don't
get any better. Time and time again, we've seen where
our prison officials have either taken kickbacks or there have
been egregious things happening, like prisoners ending up literally buried
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in places that you don't expect them to be, and
notification for family members has not been what it should
have been.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
There are many people in the community that are calling.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
For reform for all of these places, most recently in
places like Rankin County, where a group of gentlemen were
stripped down and assaulted for what some say, we're having
white women in their presence.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
They've just got the FEDS to agree to pay them out.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
But it's been an ongoing issue in places like Mississippi,
where it seems like even though there is television coverage
of these things, not much seems to get done because
the citizen tree seems to either be a afraid of
the officials or be complicit with what's going on.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Miss t I find this story just really really fascinated.
I'm somebody who gets wrapped up in the you know,
the jail documentaries and all that kind of stuff of
what kind of happens behind bars. What I find probably
most fascinating is that the Department attorney Jason Dare called
the report baseless.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I think that's a pretty bold statement to say.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You know, I quote him, it's one of the cleanest
and best run jails in rankin County. Are the ranking
county jails one of the cleanest and best run jails.
The sad part is I feel like when someone is
behind bars, you're in a position. The inmates are in
a position where no one is going to believe them.
So if you're in jail, let me guess you're innocent,
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Let me guess you're being mistreated, let me guess. And
so I just don't think that they're in a position
to be able to be heard no matter what. And
I will also say, if this is a jail that's
being operated and run by police officers, we see what
happens out on the street in our communities right where
they're wearing cameras, and there is a huge disconnect between
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how they are actually operating as officers and how we're
being treated as citizens. So if that's happening on the
street where everybody is free, and these are just interactions
with police officers. What is happening behind bars where there
aren't cameras and people are being dragged into dark areas
and corners where there are no cameras. So to say
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that this is baseless to me, screens, We're not going
to investigate anything.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
There's nothing to see here, folks.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Everything's fine if you guys, if they have a problem,
they wouldn't be here. And I think that two things
can be true. There can be a problem, and they
can actually be in jail. But I still think that
every human deserves to have to treat it with some decency.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, he preemptively called it baseless. Two, I thought that
was very suspicious.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Ramses, Well, I think when you think of you know,
you introed this segment and you said two keywords. You
said Mississippi and you said prison. And I think that
that rightfully tells enough of the story using inmates as
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enforcers or you know, whatever they're doing in Mississippi. I
think it it's consistent with what we know about Mississippi,
and I think that it it goes against the idea
that a lot of people have that we are in
a post racial society, there are still facets of this
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country that disproportionately and negatively affect black people. I think
that's well established on this show. And critically, there are
white people who benefit from that system, are used to
prop that system up, use that system to benefit themselves,
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use that system to prop themselves up, or in other
words or other ways protect their legacy, their posterity, their aspirations, etc.
Based on this what we've come to call an invisible superstructure. Now,
if this is the first time you're hearing my voice
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and all that sounds like gobbly gook to you, I implore
you to check out a recent conversation that's not too
different from the conversation we've been having now on this show.
We had a nice long chat with Amy Horowitz. I
believe the full conversation is up and am a conservative.
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Amy is a conservative for folks that don't know, and
he came to the table recently to have a conversation
about the cash bail system. In other words, we were
having a conversation about the car soual system in this country.
And his position is that the narrative that the carceral
system in this country is racist is nonsense. And my
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position is that that sentiment that the carcial system in
this country is racist is valid. And we have a
data driven conversation, you know, to to establish who's more right.
And I would not be inviting you to listen to
that conversation if I did not feel that I gave
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a valuant account of myself in that discussion. And so again,
if this sounds crazy to you, I employed to check
that conversation out, and then I leave as often as
I can the sources where I get all my data
and so forth, and so you can check out the
data for yourself and then check out the methods for
cruing that data so that you can have facts from
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which to draw your conclusions. But yeah, Mississippi prison, nothing
surprises me.
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s Wick and Misty Jordan are here with us discussing
this week's major stories. All right up next, South Carolina
lawmakers are currently debating a bill that would undoubtedly impact
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the healthcare options for black women in the state and
possibly nationwide. Misty, let's go back to you. Give us
some more details on this story in South Carolina and
Tammy and Q we'll get you next.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
The South Carolina Abortion Murder Bill. The proposed law would
classify abortion as a homicide, meaning women could be sentenced
to up to thirty years behind bars for having an abortion.
Bill removes every exception, so if a woman is raped
and has an abortion, she could then be charged with
murder or felony homicide and may have to serve decades
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behind bars. Not only is the woman facing charges, legal
experts say anyone who helps her could also be charged,
so that includes family members, even the ride share drivers
that take her to the hospital or the facility where
she decides to have an abortion, or medical professionals doctors,
nurses could all face penalties for simply assisting. Now, this legislation,
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known as the Onborn Child Protection Act, goes further than
any abortion bill recently introduced in the US. In a sentence,
it is mind boggling to me why so many people
are invested in what's happening in a woman's body. If
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you don't agree with abortion, don't have one. If it
is a it is a woman's body, here's her decision.
If she is raped, we have seen I'll say I
can't think of his name off the top of my head,
but the WWE wrestler, he is a black man. His
mother was raped and he was conceived as a result
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of the rape. He openly talks about the trauma of
being born and being conceived in that situation.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
He talks about how broken he has felt, all of
the things.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
So now we can actually see a person who has
come from a situation, in addition to a mother saying
what it feels like, are a woman just in general,
what it feels like to be raped. And we're still
trying to decide what women can do with their bodies
mind boggling.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Tammy Well, I.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
Hate to say, you guys are getting a lot of
personal insight into who I am as a person on
this show. This is one of those bills that I
absolutely disagree with. I think that a lot of times
when we have these type of pieces of legislation that
come out, everybody is happy about them because they're part
of these gangs that are like, you know, anti abortion
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or what have you. But I think that we need
to start getting to the core of why these bills
are being drafted. What is the main point of all
this to say that an innocent uber driver has no
idea that you're going there, probably for this procedure, could
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be charged in connection with this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I mean, come on, Like, why is it the.
Speaker 6 (16:12):
Uber driver's responsibility to like figure out exactly where you're
going to ask you? Sometimes when you're ubering someone, it's
just the address. It doesn't say you're going to, for instance,
the subway on.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Lakeview Drive or what have you.
Speaker 6 (16:28):
It's absolutely insane that we would draft legislation like this
in a time like this. And like Missy said, if
you yourself don't believe in abortion, don't have the abortion
you have that right.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
But why is it that we feel the.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
Need to get into a woman's business and tell her
what she's doing with her body is either right or wrong.
And let's not forget history as always to say there
are reasons that I believe are behind this. And a
lot of people have pointed to the fact of the
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decline in the number of Caucasian brethren that are being
born as a reason why they think that these type
of laws are coming out more and more. But I
think we have to settle down, settle in and pay
attention and ask the question of why these things are
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happening and being drafted in order to get to it,
get down to the bottom of it.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
If I may, Before you jump in Q. You know,
we live in kind of the information age, And I
follow a couple of people on social media that are
Bible scholars, right. One of them is Dan McClellan and
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another one is Monty Ashley, And these two they typically
will read from the Bible where Jesus spoke Aramaic I
believe is the language, and you know, rather than the
King James translation and all the translation that came later,
they read from the original text, the original translations from
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the Bible. So they've learned these other languages, and they
do these deep scholarly dives and they offer some brilliant insight,
and it shows just how much the Bible has been
warped and distorted to suit the needs of men, not God,
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if you will, and when you go back to the
original translations, the Bible is less a basic instructions before
leaving Earth, you know, as we tend to simplify it,
the ultimate supreme Word of God, that is, you know,
unchanging and all that sort of. It's not that, it's
just not. I mean, I'm a person that grew up
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in church. Q can follow up. We grew up in church, like.
I grew up literally in the church, Like I woke
up and got dressed in the living quarters in the
church building. Like my father was the minister of my grandfather.
So that's how I grew up. And I know, as
soon as you start talking about God, people they either
it's a binary. You're either on one side or the other. No,
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that's not what this is. But I imployed people to always,
you know, check for themselves anyway. Dan McClellan or Monte,
I can't remember which one, but I suspect Dan talks
about abortion in one of his videos. I'm sure he
doesn't in a few, but I caught one recently, and
he talks about how the Bible doesn't have any conversations
about abortion at all, and the closest that the Bible
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comes to abortion is to suggest that if indeed a
woman loses a pregnancy, that the family is entitled to compensation,
meaning that they treated pregnancy not like it was a
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human life, but like it was a debt that could
be paid with money. Right, and so, because it has
been co opted by the right using other cherry pictexts
that have nothing to do specifically with a woman who
is pregnant and then suddenly not pregnant, the right has
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taken up this cause. And as you mentioned, now, they're
like trying to legislate. Does the mob mentalit? They're trying
to legislate abortion being some sort of great cause championed
by the Lord that justifies imprisoning people who are not
even connected to the root of the issue. This is
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a medical procedure the Bible doesn't speak on. Indeed, the
Bible doesn't speak directly on a lot of things. And
if it does, you know, for Christians to champion it,
they need to make sure that it's in the second
part of the Bible, the New Testament, not the Old Testament.
That is, the New Covenant, not the Old Covenant. Right
if you are a Christian, right, because that's when Christ
comes and gives his set rules. And so I'm starting
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to have a problem with my fellow Christians weaponizing the
Bible for causes that have nothing to do with God.
And I worry that at the end of their lives,
when they realize the harm that they've done in the
name of God, that there will be a reckoning that
they will not have expected. I'm so sorry to step
on your toes there, cue, but you know, anything you
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need to add there, please do it. I just I
think people needed to hear that.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
No, it's just interesting to me that the same people
that want to ban abortion also vote against universal health care,
also vote against housing food assistants, also vote against public
education for the same children that they're saying must be born.
Their agendas is so transparently not about being pro life.
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It's about control. You know, if they actually cared about
the children, they wouldn't actively vote against programs that would
protect and give security to those same children in those
same families. So you know, they're pushing for control and
they're they're pro control and not pro life. It's an
anti abortion thing based on a false premise of Christianity,
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so that they control the bodies of women, and they've
somehow figured out a way to split poor people up
and have us against each other, so people vote against
their own best interest to hold up what they think is,
you know, something based on Christianity. But Rama, you laid
that out perfectly. They've they've warped the text and everything
that it means, and it's a frustrating thing to see
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happen over and over again. Moving on, outspoken Texas Representative
Jasmine Crockett Maide News again this week after sharing her
thoughts on the increasingly hostile political environment she faces each
time she makes comments opposing the Trump administration. Tammy share
with our audience some details on our final story about
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Texas Representative Jasmine Crockett, and I'll tap Misty and Ramses
as we close out.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Well, thanks so much for letting me help to intro
this story.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
As you know, and as you said, she's outspoken, Jasmine
Crockett will not be silenced, and in a statement she said,
I will not be intimidated. I will not be silenced.
I will continue to show up for the people of
Texas's thirtieth Congressional District. But we cannot pretend that this
is normal when leaders promote hate, hate shows up and
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sometimes right at our door. Now, what happened. Of course,
someone showed up to her DC office and made whites
of premises, threats and hand gestures. Now, we do understand
that everyone is safe from this incident, and she also
thanked Capital Police for their swift response. But basically she's saying,
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like we can't keep acting like this is okay, this happens,
It'll be all right, everyone's fine, Like there has to
be done, something done about this. And what's particularly interesting
about this, I'm a little I'm not surprised, but I'm
a little surprised that more people aren't in an uproar
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because we just finished having this huge conversation about Charlie
Kirk and how one particular side of politics didn't seem
like they were against violence and the other side was
accusing them of being for the violence. So here's the
example of the other side now being targeted with this violence,
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and I need people to speak up against it.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I need people to say this is not okay. It's
not okay on either side.
Speaker 6 (25:12):
Let me be clear, but I need people to speak
up and say, this is not okay.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Why would you have done that?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
And we'll stand right there with you, Tommy and echo
that sentiment is absolutely not okay.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Misty.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Here's what I don't like. There were no injuries and
the incident was contained.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I think that that feels so belittling to me because
if you think that someone can say something threatening to you,
show up at your office, make hand gestures, and think
that just because I wasn't physically I don't have any scratches,
you know, I don't have a black eye, that I'm
not injured, You're wrong in my opinion, because if somebody
comes to my job or my home or my child
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school and has threats, does hand gestures, I'm injured, because
that's a big, huge impact. That's a big, huge thing.
I love the fact that she's not going to stand
down behind it though. I love the fact that she's
saying I'm not going to be intimidated. But let me
just say this, Jorda representative Majorie Taylor Green had the
same thing. She had threats, people calling, and all those things,
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and she, in my opinion, is injured because she stepped down,
because these are not just things that you can just
say to people and feel like, now the climate is
if I threaten you and I say a bunch of
crazy stuff, there's a good chance some of this stuff
could happen. And I think that kind of writing this
off like, well, there were no injuries reported, and I
think that you have to say that from a factual standpoint.
I get that we're journalists, right like you have to
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say that, but I think to I feel like it
almost feels as if, you know, so, there's nothing to
see here, folks, but there is.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
And I just think that this.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
I feel really encouraged by her position, but if I'm honest,
I also feel worried for her. And I like the
fact that she's saying, listen, people have questioned why I
need security, this is why.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Hoping that she gets the actual support and protection that
she needs because the other side is becoming more violent,
more emboldened, and operating it seems, with impunity.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ramses, you know, it's funny that you mentioned Marjorie Taylor
Green because I saw I think it was on CNN,
the Jasmine Crockett And to be fair, you know, you
and I are like Morpheus and Neo, right, so we're
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kind of in the matrix. We get to move a
little differently from typical journalists. That's that's coming directly from
Chris by the way. But but we can offer some
some insight, maybe connect some dots at a little bit
more challenging for you know, traditional journalists to connect. And
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you know, Jasmine Crockett said something the other day, she
said that, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green has been on
the other side of Trump for about a week and
throw in the towel, right, Trump, that's a big name, yep.
And he's got a lot of followers, a lot of supporters,
people that will do his bidding. And she's been on
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the opposite side of him since she's been in Congress.
Marjorie Taylor Green jumps on the other side of Trump
for a week, throws in the towel. And the funny
thing is Jasmine Crockett was on the other side of
Donald Trump and Marjorie Taylor Green, so she had to
deal with the weight of Trump and the way of
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Marjorie Taylor Green. Marjorie Taylor Green only had to deal
with the weight of Trump only for one week, throws
in the towel. So I think this shows how resilient
Jasmine Crockett is and how oh I think it shows, yes,
I said it right, how resilient Jasmin crocket is. But
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it also shows how insidious and tenacious the right is
on this country. Uh, there's there's that's where the violence lies.
The data shows that we I can't find anything that
puts it kind of close. The violence is on the right.
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Every time I see and I'm trying to see where
they get this argument from that the left is the
source of all this political violence. Every time I try
to look for data something the left, the violence that
comes from the left is a tiny, tiny sliver. When
we talk about actual deaths, it's even smaller. And so
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you know, uh, Jasmine Crockett just it breaks my heart
because he's again a friend of the show. Q and
I have personal relationship with her, and so we get
to speak from that vantage point that a lot of
other people, you know, in in this capacity, they can't
really use that in their journalistic approach. But we recognize
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just from interacting with her personally, that she's a good person.
She's fighting a fight that she believes is justin valid,
and she's fighting according to the rules, and she's playing
a fair game. And when you see the people around
her that don't you know if she had been a
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white woman, there had been calls to get her increased security. There,
you know the whole bit. She's doing the most with
the least. And you know, as often as we can
support her, I believe I speak for both of us,
me and Q, we will. She is one of the
great champions of our time. And you know I'm I
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from one am proud of her. So I guess I'll
leave that one there. With that in mind, I'd like
to thank you both as always for your time and
your inside. Once again, Today's guests our bi In News
anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan. This has been a
production of The bi In. Today's show was produced by
Chris Thompson. Have some thoughts you'd like to share, use
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