October 10, 2025 • 45 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy news week and we like to
review the major stories of the week here on the
bi In Today, we are joined by bi In News
anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan to discuss this week's
major stories.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This is the QR code.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is q ward and he is Rams's jaw. All Right,
Misty and Tammy, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How have you been? Tammy, let's start with you. What's
the latest?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, I find my favorite brand of coffee in Houston, Texas,
which was a delight.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
So I'm all positive.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
All right, all right, that's something and something is not nothing.
We'd like to say that around here. All right, Misty,
what's the latest?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I am gearing up for National Black Girl Off Day
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Super excited about that.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
That's a day where we're encouraged to rest and restore
and have brunch and mimosas and yoga and spa.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So I'm gearing up for a National Black Girl off Day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That sounds amazing, right, I hope you enjoyed it. From
where I sit, it seems well deserved.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So thank you, Harry.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
All right, let's get to the stories. First up in
the midst of the latest government shutdown. President Trump recently
took to a social media platform and made some interesting
claims about the black unemployment rate. MISTI, let's start today's
show off with you give us some details on the
president's unemployment claims, and then Tammy and Q.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We'll get your thoughts next.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So President Trump posted a meme on True social comparing
himself to former President Bill Clinton and former President Barack Obama.
The meme label Clinton with record black imprisonment and Obama
with record black welfare and Trump with record black on it.
I mean, I'm sorry, record black employment. So unfortunately, there's data, right,
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And so the data says that the all time low
for black unemployment came under former President Joe Biden and
his administration in twenty twenty three, where the rate dropped
to four point eight percent. So since Trump's return to
office in twenty twenty five, the black unemployment rate has
gone from six percent at the start of the year
to seven point five percent as of this fall. Angela Hanks,
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she is the chief policy at the Century Foundation and
a former Department of Labor official, and she said black
workers are often last hired and the first fired, and
I think we can all see with the ongoing federal
shutdown that's expected to hit the black unemployment, the employment
really hard. I'll say here just for Atlanta, just with
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the TSA in particular and the air traffic control. The
black mayor here, Andre Dickens, said that he is going
to he's offering meal vouchers and uh free parking to
try to keep TSA agents motivated and coming to work
so that our airport isn't shut down. So I think
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that we're just seeing it in so many areas. I'm
reporting now about a story where Berberry has phased out
their DEI quietly. And for women, there has been reports
suggesting that President Trump has a target on the black
on the backs of black women. Roughly three hundred thousand
Black women have been have exited the US labor workforce
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in three months. That is a really big number, and
the shift is directly tied to federal policy decisions and
a bunch of other things. So I think that working
under constant fear and the threat of losing your job
is certainly the pressure that you can happen in your mind.
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And we know that when you feel that pressure, you
may be less likely to engage at work and less
likely to speak up. And you know those things may
impact leadership roles. And so I think that when President
Trump speaks, the fact finders, in my opinion, should be
just as loud as him and his and his in
(04:02):
his facts and Trump's facts, I'll say, I'll call them
knows the Trump facts versus the actual fact facts and
data backed facts.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Tammy Well, a couple of points here.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I want to make it clear as a journalist that
words matter, the words that you use matter, and context matters.
President Trump doesn't always speak in facts, whether you like
it or not, that is a fact. And we also
know that there is a percentage of Americans. I'm not
going to say whether it's small or large, but there
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is a percentage of Americans that are not good at
fact checking. They hear what they hear and they don't
go back and they say, hmm, well, I remember reading
something that just that doesn't happen. But in saying all this,
there are numerous reports out there by major companies, major
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journalistic outlets that have all said about three hundred thousand
black women are losing their jobs or have lost their jobs.
And I just want to mention not so much President Trump,
because there's not much we can we can do about
the things that he says other than be smarter about it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But what I do want to remind other.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Journalistic publications about is that words matter, and when they
use terms like have left the labor force or have
left the workforce, I think that's disingenuous. These women, these
three hundred thousand almost women, have been fired, they've been
let go, they've been dismissed. But they didn't just walk
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off the job and vanish. They didn't just say, oh,
I'm just handing the towel in. And I think that's
kind of how some of this is coming off. I
know it's just a little slightly off base of what
we're talking about, but I think it does matter when
you're talking about black employment numbers of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, all right, you bring us home.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
You know, the Fourth of State has done a really
bad job when it comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As it's been stated already.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
The man, I think he's like bilingual and lie is
one of the languages that he's fluent in. Not only
has has our industry done a poor job of fact checking,
but you know, Donald Trump created the fake news thing
when people started saying embarrassingly true things about him in
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public and on the news, and instead of the news
being offended by this and fighting back, people just kind
of acquiesced to him and handled him with child child
gloves and let's make sure we don't hurt little Donnie's
feelings and don't say anything mean about him. And when
he just flagrantly lies, just let it slide. And we've
done that for so long that the public has started to,
(07:04):
as was mentioned, not just believe him, but not even
look into the things that he says, even when they
are obviously false on their face. So, you know, there's
a manipulation of language, and like my sister said, words matter,
but we've allowed, you know, the president to say whatever
he wants to, you know, intentionally lack nuance in this conversation,
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leave out context, and in a lot of cases just
flagrantly lie and get it off. These are the type
of things that we see and immediately we understand that
they're not true. I think in some cases we always thought,
or kind of a least thought the public would recognize
it as false and kind of dismiss it. And you know,
percentages of the population as was stated, do not fact checked.
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They do believe everything they read, especially those who want
to believe their president. So this is something that we
know isn't true. Almost a half a million women did
not exit the workforce. I mean, I'm repeating the points
of the masterful people before me, but these things do
need to be restated and kind of leaned on so
people understand that we are in fact, flatly being lied
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to by this man, and for him to be the
best at anything regarding black people should be something that
you dismiss as soon as.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You hear it. But I digress.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
During a recent interview with American First Policy Institute, former
Congressman Nuke Gingers raised a few eyebrows when he suggested
former President Barack Obama has had a negative impact on
race relations in this country. Oh wow, Tammy, this time,
let's start with you share a little bit more about
this story with us rams and mysty you guys can
follow up.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It was basically just that plain and simple, right that
that was the comment that he made, And when you
actually look at the common in itself, it's kind of like,
you know, Yike's wow. But I can remember when President
Barack Obama was elected and let's not forget it was
not just the black vote that got him elected. It
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was also the white vote. There were also Latinos, there
was also Asian Americans. There's a whole host of people
that were able to get Barack Obama elected. And at
the time, I think we were too embrawled in raw
Rah because it was the first actual black president. I mean,
we're not talking about Bill Clinton playing the saxophone here,
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We're talking about an actual black man. But I think
that at that time, at least living in the South,
we forgot that there was still a population of people
that did not want to see us do anything more
than what we had been doing. And so to have
a black man as the leader of the so called
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free world was a huge deal for us. For them,
for whatever reason, it meant oppression.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
And I think to this.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Day there's a certain segment of our population that cannot
deal with the fact that a black man in this
country that was built by former slaves, enslaved people, should,
i say, rose to be president. And I think that
the backlash that we're seeing that these comments knew it
wasn't the first one to say something like this, and
(10:27):
I think it's just kind of like how some people
are feeling.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's just that people like him have a platform.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And get to say it out loud and people hear it.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
You know, Misty before you go Ramse denying and Chris
were actually having this conversation off air, and he's kind
of right because polite racist people were okay with the
status quo, and then Barack Obama became president and that
politeness wore off. They got very loud and came outside
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and needed us to all see their racism. So if
you read it a certain way, he's kind of right.
It's that he just tries to blame Barack Obama for
the existence of that racism and for creating that racism
in that country. And that's the part that we know
isn't true. But give us some more, mysty.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I just want to actually, like, look at what he
said that he said Obama was a major factor in
creating a much more racist and much more dangerous America.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And now we are digging ourselves out of that. That is.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
This is we're in the middle of a government shutdown.
We are in you know, several days in the National
Guard troops are being deployed to cities nationwide, ice agents
are arresting American black born citizens in Chicago, guns to
faces of women born black women born in America, and
(11:59):
I just want to know if this is what digging
out looks.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Like several generations born in America, Ramses, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It is indeed the height of conceit for this white
man to try to lecture the rest of us on
the state of race relations in this country. So if
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that's established, really there's nothing else that I could say
that people really need to hear. This is the wrong
person to listen to. This is a person who cannot know.
This is a person who cannot experience racism based on
the definition of racism that I understand, he can experience prejudice. Sure,
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but I think it's been stated already. Obama certainly, I'm
sure laid bare the racism that already existed in this country.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know, there are people that thought we were in
a post racial society for a long time, and you know,
they point to examples like Michael Jordan and Oprah Winfrey
to suggest that, you know, black people can do anything
that white people can do. This is not about race,
and Obama has made it about race, right, But I
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think that Obama laid bear something that was I think
very deep in the psyche of people who think of
themselves as being decent people. These are people who I
think a good number of people let me start here.
I think a good number of people in this country
think of themselves as being decent folks. There are not
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many people that think of themselves as being racist and
are comfortable with that. For much of this country's history,
not all of it, but much of it, people didn't
think of themselves as racist. Even during slavery. You know,
they didn't think of themselves as racist. They thought that
slavery was God's natural order. They convinced themselves that that
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comfortable lie was indeed true, right so that they could
sleep at night. And this continued throughout you know, segregation
in Jim Crow, This continued throughout you know, the post
civil rights era. These people thought of themselves as decent folks,
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and you know, they would not consider themselves racist at all.
You could not convince them that that was their truth.
It wasn't until Obama was elected that they out, Uh,
I don't really love this, and whatever their fears are,
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whatever their fears were, you know, this is the end
of the the white country that I grew up in.
This is the end of you know, the social stratification
that causes me no fear. This is the end of
the comfortable period of white people in this country. Now
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black people are going to be sicking the police on
white folks. We don't want that or whatever. Whatever fears
it existed, whatever fears they had, were exposed like a
nerve when Obama was elected. I mean, and I can,
I can, like imagine if all of the presidents were white.
It doesn't matter how many Oprah Winfreys and Michael Jordan's there,
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as long as the president's white. It's a white country
that's different from Oprah Winfrey. Right now, all of these
people push back against Obama just because of that fact.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right now. Of course, there are some.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
People in the middle who legitimately are concerned about his politics,
couldn't care one way or the other. But there's a
huge swath of the population that it triggered something in
their brain and you could not convince them that they're
racist people, but their fears that are founded in racism,
founded in the social stratification that they feel comfortable in.
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These are people that if you ask them Okay, if
you're not racist, tell me with a straight face that
you would switch places with a black person, that you
would switch your family's place with a black family and
have a go at this country. Tell me that you
would do that with a straight face, And they won't
admit that they would. So that means that they know
that racism exists, they know it's bad, they know they
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don't want it to happen to them, and they don't
push back against it happening to other people. Right, it's
those people that fit in that box, which I suspect
this person, Newt Gingrich fits into that box that pushed
back against Obama and still pushed back against him. For
him to say that Obama had a negative impact on
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race relations in this country is simply him saying that
Obama exposed that nerve and that paved the way for
people like Donald Trump, who also fits into that box.
Donald Trump attacked Obama since he was sworn in. Obama
is the only president that had to prove that he
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was president after being sworn in as president, Right, So,
I mean, I guess it's based in truth. He's a
little misguided here. Obama did not have a negative impact
on race relations not at all. Obama was a sign
of the progress that we had made. But the unintended
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side of the unintentioned consequence of that, I should say,
is that the opposition, the people that felt that nerve exposed,
pushed back mightily and they found their great savior in
Donald Trump. Donald Trump has had no meaningful policies, certainly
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during his first term, that meant anything good for anybody
other than him and his rich friends. The only thing
that Donald Trump did was slow the dispossession of the
United States of America from white men. And indeed that's
what his second term is all about.
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Bin News anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan are here
with us discussing this week's major stories. All right up next,
the CDC has released some research that paints a controversial
picture about interracial parenting in the United States. Missy, let's
go back to you again, tell us more about the
CDC data, and then Tammy and Q we'll get your
thoughts next.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So, between twenty twenty three and middle of last year,
sixty percent of live birth to white mothers with black
fathers were not married. Compared to white mothers with white
fathers they were nineteen percent were not married. The data
also shows that seventy percent of black women and black
men became parents without being married first.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
CDC data also shows the black.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Fathers, regardless of the mother's race, have some of the
nation's highest out of wedlock birth rates. Experts point two
factors like wage gap, systemic discrimination, incarceration rates among black
men as influencing relationships, stability, and family structures. Now, look
if we look at it both ways. In contrast, black
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mothers partner with white fathers show about forty percent of
unmarried or unmarried parents. I do have to add that,
you know, we have Cam Newton who has talked openly
about having being the father to several children, many children
who he's not married to. And then we also have
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Nick Cannon, who has who has some interracial relationships, who's
talked about he's gonna, jokingly, I'm going to populate the earth.
So some would say that he's kind of glorifying these
broken homes is what you know, others have called it.
And some of people were saying, you know, it's not
about child support, it's about fathers being in the homes.
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Another say, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
What's the big deal, Tammy.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm just I'm just wondering why did the CDC put
this report out in the first place. I mean, I
think that's where I would go with this, because, I mean,
statistics show that black men are marrying black women at
a higher rate, and for those black men that are
in relationships with white women and that are having kids
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and are happy, it's like, Okay, let these folks just
be happy.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I just I feel like this is.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Directly targeting a certain group of people, these white women
black men relationships, and it's almost like when I initially
read it, it just reminded me immediately of oh, yeah,
the white birth rate has gone down, and is that
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the reason why this is a conversation that we're jumping into.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Okay, WELLQ, It's an interesting thing that happens where there's
a lot of correlation without causation, conversations that happen and
people ignore nuance and context because they say unmarried and
then they say father not in the house, as if
those two things are automatically synonymous. I am an unmarried
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father of two. My children have not spent a day
without their dad present. They have not ever wondered where
is daddy or when is Daddy going to be home?
Or does Daddy love me? Every birthday, every holiday, every
school recital, every soccer game, daddy's present. I think this
generation's disconnection, especially young black people from the Black church
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and the idea of organized religion and the institution of
marriage has made me cause people to stop walking down
the aisle as much, especially with an incredibly high divorce
rate and what that means financially for people in the
wake of that divorce.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think has had some effect as well.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
I think taking random facts and trying to paint them
a certain way, as has been stated, is intentional. Let's
try to paint a picture and create a narrative here
while ignoring all of these other, you know, outside facts
that play a part. So if people are happy and
raising their children together, I think their marriage status has
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very little to do with the health, welfare, and happiness
and the love that those children feel.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, that's just my opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, I wanted to make sure that you said that
because I felt like there was going to be a
lot of overlap with our thoughts. But there's a couple
of things I wanted to interject here. So first off,
well said, I think that that the nuance, some of
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the nues that that is missing from this conversation. Of course,
people online they jump all over this, and you know,
there's a lot of like you know, we call them zombies,
these these myths that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Won't die that are.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Kind of ball and chain to you know, black people,
black men in particular this one.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, when people have a baby, A lot of
times when you have a baby, it's a surprise.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Of course, you can be very intentional about making a baby,
but when a baby is made, is made, and when
it comes, it comes. Right at the end of the day,
you don't have as much control over when and where
you produce a child as you do over when and
where you join in the holy matrimony. Right, there's a
lot more intentionality that goes into that. You got to
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pick a date, you got to sign paperwork, you know,
it's like you got to be present for that, and
therefore you have a lot more deciding power over whether
or not you end up married.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I think you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Pointed to something that is critical that people need to
consider is that marriage is an expression of culture. Marriage
is an expression of any number of things, but it's
not necessarily an expression of biology. Biology is kind of hardwired, right.
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We are hardwired to propagate the species. Any species is
hardwired to propagate the species. Right, That's how species continue
to exist. Right, So, whether or not marriage was the thing,
there would be babies. Okay, So we're not getting away
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from that. So if the culture shifts away from marriage,
is the all important, be all end all goal for
relationships because of factors like you mentioned, Q, divorce rates.
What comes along with divorce rates. I know women that
don't want to get married because they don't want to
go through the embarrassment of living through a failed relationship
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on public display for the world to see. I know
men that don't want to get married because they feel
they have to protect what little fiscal you know, financial
empire they've built up for themselves, and it just doesn't
make sense for them. Right, once upon a time, marriage
was that institution where it could help you grow your
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effective net worth, and now a lot of people don't
see it that way, especially when you're hitching your wagon
to somebody who can simply just decide one day that
they just don't feel like being married anymore and leave
and take half of everything that you've built.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's just it's a.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Horror fiscal move for anyone who's managed to kind of
get their legs under them as an adult. And now
that people do get married later in life, they tend
to have more accumulated and that's a lot bigger gamble.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And then another point.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That you mentioned Q, and I think that this speaks
to this as well, is you know, when two people
aren't married, it doesn't necessarily mean that the father is
neglecting the children. Right as a person who's not married
and don't want to be married. Ever, it doesn't make
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any sense for me. I don't like I can pay
people to do everything that, you know, when I ask people,
what's the benefit of having a wife outside of like,
you know, hanging out with you're you know, your your
soulmate or whatever, which you can do without marriage. But
outside of that, everything else you can kind of just
pay somebody to do, you know, and indeed I do.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I live by all the restaurants.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
There's somebody that comes and cleans my house for me,
that sort of thing, you know, and outside of the
you know, spending time with someone that you care about,
which again you don't need marriage for that. It's just
a or financial move right. But one of the things
that I've learned and that I've seen in my lifetime
is that, you know, there's a lot of people who
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are not married and they are together. They decide to
make a child, and the child is a forever commitment,
or at least a twenty one year commitment, and the
relationship doesn't necessarily need to be a lifetime commitment. It
can be until such a time as it no longer
serves us, right. But once that time happens, when it does.
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In these examples, the fathers are still very present, and
what ends up happening is that you split.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Responsibility for the child.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, So what happens is your child spends fifty percent
of the time with the mother fifty percent of the
time with the father. And what I've seen in situations
like that is a child getting a heavy dose of
what it means to be in the presence of their
father of a man, and a heavy dose of what
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it means to be in the presence of their mother.
And what I've seen from yesteryear is the father and
the mother are both in the home, sure, but the
father can be absent while still being in the home,
can be disconnected emotionally. While in the home, the father
doesn't prepare meals, The father doesn't get the kids ready
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for school, the father doesn't drop the kids. You know,
there's a term soccer mom, right, That is a term
from yesteryear. Mom is taking the kids to soccer practice
and picking them up. Mom is doing all this stuff.
Dad goes to work, Dad comes home home, he eats
with the family, and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The rest of the evening is his. Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Now, imagine the fifty to fifty scenario where one hundred
percent of what happens during your time, it's you and
your son, or you and your daughter, or you and
your children. You're feeding them, you're driving them, you're picking
them up, you're buying them clothes, You're doing all that,
and that feels a lot more intentional. Okay, Now, the
last thing I want to say is that this is
the same Center for Disease Control that did this study,
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that did a report in I think it was twenty
thirteen when it came out that mentioned that black dads
were doing better than any other dads in terms of
racial groups. In terms of parenting, Black dads are more intentional,
more present, help with homework, change divers all that sort
of stuff. Drove children to and from school, on and
on and on, and that level of intentionality matters, right,
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And this is why I said that these zombie myths
won't die. It's what keeps, honestly, mostly white people and
government and some black people too, from looking at the
systemic issues.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And they try to paint the failings.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Of the black community as simply moral failings of a
group of people who've lost their way, as opposed to
taking responsibility for the fact that there has been systemic
disenfranchisement of this group of people for decades. Right now,
I want to add one last thing here. You mentioned
that interracial births and give a sixty percent something like
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that of interracial births where the father was black the
mother was white, sixty percent of them are too couples
that aren't married. Well, the same study says that out
of wedlock births are no longer confined to one racial group,
as nearly forty percent of all US births occur outside
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of marriage. It means every single birth, only sixty percent
of them are to a married couple. Forty percent is
not to married couple.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Right. So, when you look at this tiny group of people.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Black men, white women, their birth rate, and you see
that that's sixty percent, you see, yes, you see that
it's higher, but it's not an anomaly relative to the
rest of the births in this country. That shows larger
trends present in the larger culture.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And yes, oftentimes everything once it gets to black people,
it's skewed one way or another because of a number
of any one of the reasons I've delineated in this.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But I want people to kind of take this with
these grains of salt and know that this is not
a moral failing of black men. This is indicative of
a number of factors. Now, it could be individuals. There
could even be some data that does suggest something. I'm
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not going to say that that's not possible, but I
think that there's a lot of ways that you could
explain this that all make perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
These aren't you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Know, women giving birth and the dads know where to
be found, which is the image. I think that this
data suggests to people who aren't aware that these indeed
are zombie myths that just simply won't die.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Absolutely agree, absolutely absolutely. My son was born my husband
and I were not married. He was born on a wedlock.
I have a black he is a black man. He
was as to Hugh's point, he was in our home
every day. Hasn't missed a single anything. Our son has
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only been bathed by either myself or my husband. And
we got married after. So I am a woman of
the forty percent, gave birth to a child, was not married,
and we were very much a family, and then we
got married after.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
If you guys ever want to make time for there's
so much to unpack here. I would love for us
to have a let's get longer and more fleshed out
conversation about this because, like you said, Rama, there's a
lot of myths that intentionally paint a false negative narrative
about black fathers, black dads, black men in general, and
black people. And we have some wonderful examples among us
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of the timeline doesn't always line up and then that
day they can be skewed in the way. So if
you guys are ever down, I would love to have
a long form conversation about this.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I would too, Yeah, because I yeah, I have a
lot of I had a lot of pressure about that,
being giving birth to a child from my parents and
not being married. You know, but both of them, my
mother and father have both been married three times separately,
so marriage for me was like, I mean, I want
to be married, and I've felt certain the pressure from society, religion, parents,
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you know all. So I would love to have a
bigger conversation about it too. So definitely felt the pressure.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Yeah, the mother of our children is traditional Catholic. Not
being married is something that her family, for our entire relationship,
has really been hard on her about and you know,
so I understand, but again, yeah, let's definitely all get
together and continue this conversation. We close out this week's
show with a quick roundtable discussion on the biggest news
(35:19):
story of the past week, the sentencing of Sean P.
Diddy Combs Tammy. Let's start with you to letus your
reaction to the sentencing and your thoughts on the future
for mister Combs and misdian Ramas you guys can follow up.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So let's talk about Sean Combs, at least one of
his team of attorneys, one of the attorneys that was
in court last week. After the case, he stepped outside
and spoke to journalists where he said that this entire case,
he called it overreach. And he said that you could
tell the overreach from the jury tossing out the majority
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of the charges against Ditty, including racketeering, and like we
heard before, like those were some of the bigger charges.
What he ended up being charged with in the end
was a lesser charge, and he said that was proof
that this whole case was just overreached. They were just
basically doing too much. Like the kids would say, the
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future for Ditty, well, we do know that right now
he's sentenced to a little over four years. He could
get some time off for already being having been locked up,
so that drops it to a little over three and
a half years. But his legal team, even before he
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went to trial, had reached out to President Donald Trump,
And as many people know from back in the day,
you know, Trump was you know, in music videos, rap
videos and whatnot, high profile that way, and so Diddy's
team reached out to the president, but the president at
the time did not give any type of reaction. Later on,
(37:04):
reports say that he kind of was unlikely to reduce
colmb's sentence or take him out of trouble, basically citing
the fact that Colmb's had had some negative things to
say about him during President Trump's political campaign to become president.
What we do know right now, when we talk about
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future tents, is that did He's team has reached out
to the President yet again to see if he can
forego this sentence. And we really don't know exactly what
President Trump is going to do, mostly because he says
one thing sometimes and then does something completely different. So
(37:47):
it's kind of a wait and see. But if I
were to guess from what's going on right now did
he might just have to set this one out and
you know, do his time, guys.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Our fragile president. You know, I'll free a criminal if
he's nice to me. If you don't have nice things
to say about when you're on your own kid, misty,
you know I.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Have, I think for me, my my focus is to
Diddy's children. I my heart broke for them for being
character witnesses in the courtroom. And I certainly understand the
importance and the impact that probably made, you know, even
the judge said this was important information. Thank you, guys.
You know, I will take this into consideration. But the
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reporters say there were inside the courtroom that there wasn't
a dry eye in the house, and you know, we've
seen the videos of his children and family walking in
to support him. And I just don't know if I
feel like, as a parent, if this is a place
and yes they're you know, eighteen years old, as you know,
(38:57):
their youngest baby love is maybe three or four, but
to have an eighteen year old of his youngest, you know,
of the middle children on up, I just questioned who
did they want to speak or did he want them
to speak at his you know, to say this is
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who our father is, just because as a parent, I
just I feel like for me and I'm not in
that situation, but I just feel like I would want
my kids far away from that. I don't want you
to have anything to do with this. I did this.
This is for me, my music to face. I just
don't want you here. And I certainly understand the impact
of them being there, but I just I don't know.
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That's something that just can't doesn't really necessarily sit right
with me. I just can't that that's a that's in
my side and I just can't let it go. Something
else that definitely my friends and I have definitely gone
back and forth is the fact that he made appearances
after you know there the ruling was going to you know,
come out, and that he made scheduled appearances allegedly for
(40:03):
Miami to go and to speak because he knew I need,
you know, somebody bring me my own clothes. I need
to bring some play clothes, and I'm going to book
these appearances because I'm getting out of here. So is
that manifestation where you're thinking positive and this is going
to you know, I'm going to get this job, or
is this arrogance and where you just kind of it
(40:26):
shows more of the character that people spoke to to
begin with, that Ditty's above the law and all of
these things. And so is he inside thinking right now still?
You know, yeah, I'm going to get out of here.
I know Trump, but you know, and is Trump going
to actually you know? So is there a moment? And
you know I've read reports where he's inside and he's
(40:47):
actually been teaching some of the inmates, sharing some of
his wisdom inside. So is Ditty still feeling like he's
above the law and kind of disconnected or are these
things the actions of a changed man? I'm and so
if you let him out early, if he hasn't you know,
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this hasn't made an impact yet, when does it kick in?
Speaker 7 (41:17):
You know, having my children participate in a criminal trial
where I'm the person on trial, I agree one hundred percent.
I would never want them to be anywhere close to it.
And I think we know that rich and powerful men
in this country have an issue with accountability, and in
a lot of cases they're not being any So I
definitely hear where you're coming from, Ramses.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know, we got to talk about this once the
verdict came out, and so you know, I've shared my.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I think that it's worth noting that he did ask
to be moved to a different facility where I think
there's only four thousand inmates, where they have a like
a really intense drug rehabilitation program. That's the guys under
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which you know, the request takes place. But it also
makes it easier for him to see his family. Yes,
I think that, and perhaps see other people. I don't know,
but I think that the one part of this that
you know, I can't say what I would do in
that situation, but you know, maybe he really does miss
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his family. Maybe he I know, if I was away
from my son, that would be the worst feeling in
the world. I've been away from my son and I've
never felt pain like that. I've been on the other
side of the planet, and I was worried he was
a baby at the time. I was worried he might
forget me, and I would try to hold him and
he would cry. So that that pain of missing your
child is something that I know. And I don't know
(42:57):
if he's using his children as a prop I don't
know if he feels genuinely like he misses his children.
Who's to say, but you know, I can imagine how
I would feel. So and then the other thing that
I would noticed that the speaking engagement, because that troubled
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me that he scheduled a speaking engagement. Would have turned
out that that speaking engagement. That information was offered by
Ditty's defense to the judge to suggest, Hey, Diddy's going
to go down here and continue to do the work
that he's done in the prison. In the jail here,
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he's going to continue to do that work. He's scheduled
to do something, you know, tomorrow or whatever after he
leaves this place, to continue teaching inmates, you know, business entrepreneurship,
that sort of thing. And so it at least it
seemed like he was committed to the act, if not
(44:06):
the result. You know, I can't say, but I think
that framing all of this properly is is what we
do as as journalists, and it's fair. And so this
is not a defensive Ditty. I don't know what that
man is on. I don't know what he's trying to do.
I don't you know. Obviously there's a lot of blind
spots here, and he could be up to anything and
(44:27):
giving his reputation, he could very well be. But also
this is a pivotal moment and it would be for anybody,
and so I think it's important to just state the
things that I've learned as I've tried to kind of expose,
you know, for my you know, for the segment that
you and I did expose the things that he might
be up to, and those are the things that I found.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So I'll leave it there well.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
That in mind, I'd like to thank you all very
much for your time and your insight.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
He is q ward and he is Rams's jaw. All Right,
Misty and Tammy, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
How have you been? Tammy, let's start with you. What's
the latest?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well, I find my favorite brand of coffee in Houston, Texas,
which was a delight.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
So I'm all positive.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
All right, all right, that's something and something is not nothing.
We'd like to say that around here. All right, Misty,
what's the latest?
Speaker 5 (00:40):
I am gearing up for National Black Girl Off Day
on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Super excited about that.
Speaker 5 (00:47):
That's a day where we're encouraged to rest and restore
and have brunch and mimosas and yoga and spa.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
So I'm gearing up for a National Black Girl off Day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That sounds amazing, right, I hope you enjoyed it. From
where I sit, it seems well deserved.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
So thank you, Harry.
Speaker 6 (01:09):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
All right, let's get to the stories. First up in
the midst of the latest government shutdown. President Trump recently
took to a social media platform and made some interesting
claims about the black unemployment rate. MISTI, let's start today's
show off with you give us some details on the
president's unemployment claims, and then Tammy and Q.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
We'll get your thoughts next.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
So President Trump posted a meme on True social comparing
himself to former President Bill Clinton and former President Barack Obama.
The meme label Clinton with record black imprisonment and Obama
with record black welfare and Trump with record black on it.
I mean, I'm sorry, record black employment. So unfortunately, there's data, right,
(01:49):
And so the data says that the all time low
for black unemployment came under former President Joe Biden and
his administration in twenty twenty three, where the rate dropped
to four point eight percent. So since Trump's return to
office in twenty twenty five, the black unemployment rate has
gone from six percent at the start of the year
to seven point five percent as of this fall. Angela Hanks,
(02:12):
she is the chief policy at the Century Foundation and
a former Department of Labor official, and she said black
workers are often last hired and the first fired, and
I think we can all see with the ongoing federal
shutdown that's expected to hit the black unemployment, the employment
really hard. I'll say here just for Atlanta, just with
(02:35):
the TSA in particular and the air traffic control. The
black mayor here, Andre Dickens, said that he is going
to he's offering meal vouchers and uh free parking to
try to keep TSA agents motivated and coming to work
so that our airport isn't shut down. So I think
(02:56):
that we're just seeing it in so many areas. I'm
reporting now about a story where Berberry has phased out
their DEI quietly. And for women, there has been reports
suggesting that President Trump has a target on the black
on the backs of black women. Roughly three hundred thousand
Black women have been have exited the US labor workforce
(03:18):
in three months. That is a really big number, and
the shift is directly tied to federal policy decisions and
a bunch of other things. So I think that working
under constant fear and the threat of losing your job
is certainly the pressure that you can happen in your mind.
(03:39):
And we know that when you feel that pressure, you
may be less likely to engage at work and less
likely to speak up. And you know those things may
impact leadership roles. And so I think that when President
Trump speaks, the fact finders, in my opinion, should be
just as loud as him and his and his in
(04:02):
his facts and Trump's facts, I'll say, I'll call them
knows the Trump facts versus the actual fact facts and
data backed facts.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Tammy Well, a couple of points here.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
I want to make it clear as a journalist that
words matter, the words that you use matter, and context matters.
President Trump doesn't always speak in facts, whether you like
it or not, that is a fact. And we also
know that there is a percentage of Americans. I'm not
going to say whether it's small or large, but there
(04:39):
is a percentage of Americans that are not good at
fact checking. They hear what they hear and they don't
go back and they say, hmm, well, I remember reading
something that just that doesn't happen. But in saying all this,
there are numerous reports out there by major companies, major
(05:03):
journalistic outlets that have all said about three hundred thousand
black women are losing their jobs or have lost their jobs.
And I just want to mention not so much President Trump,
because there's not much we can we can do about
the things that he says other than be smarter about it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
But what I do want to remind other.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Journalistic publications about is that words matter, and when they
use terms like have left the labor force or have
left the workforce, I think that's disingenuous. These women, these
three hundred thousand almost women, have been fired, they've been
let go, they've been dismissed. But they didn't just walk
(05:46):
off the job and vanish. They didn't just say, oh,
I'm just handing the towel in. And I think that's
kind of how some of this is coming off. I
know it's just a little slightly off base of what
we're talking about, but I think it does matter when
you're talking about black employment numbers of what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, all right, you bring us home.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
You know, the Fourth of State has done a really
bad job when it comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
As it's been stated already.
Speaker 7 (06:20):
The man, I think he's like bilingual and lie is
one of the languages that he's fluent in. Not only
has has our industry done a poor job of fact checking,
but you know, Donald Trump created the fake news thing
when people started saying embarrassingly true things about him in
(06:41):
public and on the news, and instead of the news
being offended by this and fighting back, people just kind
of acquiesced to him and handled him with child child
gloves and let's make sure we don't hurt little Donnie's
feelings and don't say anything mean about him. And when
he just flagrantly lies, just let it slide. And we've
done that for so long that the public has started to,
(07:04):
as was mentioned, not just believe him, but not even
look into the things that he says, even when they
are obviously false on their face. So, you know, there's
a manipulation of language, and like my sister said, words matter,
but we've allowed, you know, the president to say whatever
he wants to, you know, intentionally lack nuance in this conversation,
(07:29):
leave out context, and in a lot of cases just
flagrantly lie and get it off. These are the type
of things that we see and immediately we understand that
they're not true. I think in some cases we always thought,
or kind of a least thought the public would recognize
it as false and kind of dismiss it. And you know,
percentages of the population as was stated, do not fact checked.
(07:53):
They do believe everything they read, especially those who want
to believe their president. So this is something that we
know isn't true. Almost a half a million women did
not exit the workforce. I mean, I'm repeating the points
of the masterful people before me, but these things do
need to be restated and kind of leaned on so
people understand that we are in fact, flatly being lied
(08:17):
to by this man, and for him to be the
best at anything regarding black people should be something that
you dismiss as soon as.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
You hear it. But I digress.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
During a recent interview with American First Policy Institute, former
Congressman Nuke Gingers raised a few eyebrows when he suggested
former President Barack Obama has had a negative impact on
race relations in this country. Oh wow, Tammy, this time,
let's start with you share a little bit more about
this story with us rams and mysty you guys can
follow up.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
It was basically just that plain and simple, right that
that was the comment that he made, And when you
actually look at the common in itself, it's kind of like,
you know, Yike's wow. But I can remember when President
Barack Obama was elected and let's not forget it was
not just the black vote that got him elected. It
(09:13):
was also the white vote. There were also Latinos, there
was also Asian Americans. There's a whole host of people
that were able to get Barack Obama elected. And at
the time, I think we were too embrawled in raw
Rah because it was the first actual black president. I mean,
we're not talking about Bill Clinton playing the saxophone here,
(09:35):
We're talking about an actual black man. But I think
that at that time, at least living in the South,
we forgot that there was still a population of people
that did not want to see us do anything more
than what we had been doing. And so to have
a black man as the leader of the so called
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free world was a huge deal for us. For them,
for whatever reason, it meant oppression.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
And I think to this.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Day there's a certain segment of our population that cannot
deal with the fact that a black man in this
country that was built by former slaves, enslaved people, should,
i say, rose to be president. And I think that
the backlash that we're seeing that these comments knew it
wasn't the first one to say something like this, and
(10:27):
I think it's just kind of like how some people
are feeling.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
It's just that people like him have a platform.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
And get to say it out loud and people hear it.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
You know, Misty before you go Ramse denying and Chris
were actually having this conversation off air, and he's kind
of right because polite racist people were okay with the
status quo, and then Barack Obama became president and that
politeness wore off. They got very loud and came outside
(11:03):
and needed us to all see their racism. So if
you read it a certain way, he's kind of right.
It's that he just tries to blame Barack Obama for
the existence of that racism and for creating that racism
in that country. And that's the part that we know
isn't true. But give us some more, mysty.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
I just want to actually, like, look at what he
said that he said Obama was a major factor in
creating a much more racist and much more dangerous America.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
And now we are digging ourselves out of that. That is.
Speaker 5 (11:39):
This is we're in the middle of a government shutdown.
We are in you know, several days in the National
Guard troops are being deployed to cities nationwide, ice agents
are arresting American black born citizens in Chicago, guns to
faces of women born black women born in America, and
(11:59):
I just want to know if this is what digging
out looks.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Like several generations born in America, Ramses, I think that.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
It is indeed the height of conceit for this white
man to try to lecture the rest of us on
the state of race relations in this country. So if
(12:38):
that's established, really there's nothing else that I could say
that people really need to hear. This is the wrong
person to listen to. This is a person who cannot know.
This is a person who cannot experience racism based on
the definition of racism that I understand, he can experience prejudice. Sure,
(13:01):
but I think it's been stated already. Obama certainly, I'm
sure laid bare the racism that already existed in this country.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
You know, there are people that thought we were in
a post racial society for a long time, and you know,
they point to examples like Michael Jordan and Oprah Winfrey
to suggest that, you know, black people can do anything
that white people can do. This is not about race,
and Obama has made it about race, right, But I
(13:38):
think that Obama laid bear something that was I think
very deep in the psyche of people who think of
themselves as being decent people. These are people who I
think a good number of people let me start here.
I think a good number of people in this country
think of themselves as being decent folks. There are not
(14:02):
many people that think of themselves as being racist and
are comfortable with that. For much of this country's history,
not all of it, but much of it, people didn't
think of themselves as racist. Even during slavery. You know,
they didn't think of themselves as racist. They thought that
slavery was God's natural order. They convinced themselves that that
(14:25):
comfortable lie was indeed true, right so that they could
sleep at night. And this continued throughout you know, segregation
in Jim Crow, This continued throughout you know, the post
civil rights era. These people thought of themselves as decent folks,
(14:45):
and you know, they would not consider themselves racist at all.
You could not convince them that that was their truth.
It wasn't until Obama was elected that they out, Uh,
I don't really love this, and whatever their fears are,
(15:06):
whatever their fears were, you know, this is the end
of the the white country that I grew up in.
This is the end of you know, the social stratification
that causes me no fear. This is the end of
the comfortable period of white people in this country. Now
(15:28):
black people are going to be sicking the police on
white folks. We don't want that or whatever. Whatever fears
it existed, whatever fears they had, were exposed like a
nerve when Obama was elected. I mean, and I can,
I can, like imagine if all of the presidents were white.
It doesn't matter how many Oprah Winfreys and Michael Jordan's there,
(15:52):
as long as the president's white. It's a white country
that's different from Oprah Winfrey. Right now, all of these
people push back against Obama just because of that fact.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Right now. Of course, there are some.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
People in the middle who legitimately are concerned about his politics,
couldn't care one way or the other. But there's a
huge swath of the population that it triggered something in
their brain and you could not convince them that they're
racist people, but their fears that are founded in racism,
founded in the social stratification that they feel comfortable in.
(16:29):
These are people that if you ask them Okay, if
you're not racist, tell me with a straight face that
you would switch places with a black person, that you
would switch your family's place with a black family and
have a go at this country. Tell me that you
would do that with a straight face, And they won't
admit that they would. So that means that they know
that racism exists, they know it's bad, they know they
(16:51):
don't want it to happen to them, and they don't
push back against it happening to other people. Right, it's
those people that fit in that box, which I suspect
this person, Newt Gingrich fits into that box that pushed
back against Obama and still pushed back against him. For
him to say that Obama had a negative impact on
(17:12):
race relations in this country is simply him saying that
Obama exposed that nerve and that paved the way for
people like Donald Trump, who also fits into that box.
Donald Trump attacked Obama since he was sworn in. Obama
is the only president that had to prove that he
(17:32):
was president after being sworn in as president, Right, So,
I mean, I guess it's based in truth. He's a
little misguided here. Obama did not have a negative impact
on race relations not at all. Obama was a sign
of the progress that we had made. But the unintended
(17:53):
side of the unintentioned consequence of that, I should say,
is that the opposition, the people that felt that nerve exposed,
pushed back mightily and they found their great savior in
Donald Trump. Donald Trump has had no meaningful policies, certainly
(18:16):
during his first term, that meant anything good for anybody
other than him and his rich friends. The only thing
that Donald Trump did was slow the dispossession of the
United States of America from white men. And indeed that's
what his second term is all about.
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Bin News anchors Tammy Estwick and Misty Jordan are here
with us discussing this week's major stories. All right up next,
the CDC has released some research that paints a controversial
picture about interracial parenting in the United States. Missy, let's
go back to you again, tell us more about the
CDC data, and then Tammy and Q we'll get your
thoughts next.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
So, between twenty twenty three and middle of last year,
sixty percent of live birth to white mothers with black
fathers were not married. Compared to white mothers with white
fathers they were nineteen percent were not married. The data
also shows that seventy percent of black women and black
men became parents without being married first.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
CDC data also shows the black.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Fathers, regardless of the mother's race, have some of the
nation's highest out of wedlock birth rates. Experts point two
factors like wage gap, systemic discrimination, incarceration rates among black
men as influencing relationships, stability, and family structures. Now, look
if we look at it both ways. In contrast, black
(20:15):
mothers partner with white fathers show about forty percent of
unmarried or unmarried parents. I do have to add that,
you know, we have Cam Newton who has talked openly
about having being the father to several children, many children
who he's not married to. And then we also have
(20:37):
Nick Cannon, who has who has some interracial relationships, who's
talked about he's gonna, jokingly, I'm going to populate the earth.
So some would say that he's kind of glorifying these
broken homes is what you know, others have called it.
And some of people were saying, you know, it's not
about child support, it's about fathers being in the homes.
(21:00):
Another say, it's twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
What's the big deal, Tammy.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm just I'm just wondering why did the CDC put
this report out in the first place. I mean, I
think that's where I would go with this, because, I mean,
statistics show that black men are marrying black women at
a higher rate, and for those black men that are
in relationships with white women and that are having kids
(21:28):
and are happy, it's like, Okay, let these folks just
be happy.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
I just I feel like this is.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
Directly targeting a certain group of people, these white women
black men relationships, and it's almost like when I initially
read it, it just reminded me immediately of oh, yeah,
the white birth rate has gone down, and is that
(21:59):
the reason why this is a conversation that we're jumping into.
Speaker 7 (22:04):
Okay, WELLQ, It's an interesting thing that happens where there's
a lot of correlation without causation, conversations that happen and
people ignore nuance and context because they say unmarried and
then they say father not in the house, as if
those two things are automatically synonymous. I am an unmarried
(22:27):
father of two. My children have not spent a day
without their dad present. They have not ever wondered where
is daddy or when is Daddy going to be home?
Or does Daddy love me? Every birthday, every holiday, every
school recital, every soccer game, daddy's present. I think this
generation's disconnection, especially young black people from the Black church
(22:52):
and the idea of organized religion and the institution of
marriage has made me cause people to stop walking down
the aisle as much, especially with an incredibly high divorce
rate and what that means financially for people in the
wake of that divorce.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I think has had some effect as well.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
I think taking random facts and trying to paint them
a certain way, as has been stated, is intentional. Let's
try to paint a picture and create a narrative here
while ignoring all of these other, you know, outside facts
that play a part. So if people are happy and
raising their children together, I think their marriage status has
(23:30):
very little to do with the health, welfare, and happiness
and the love that those children feel.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You know, that's just my opinion on that.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah, I wanted to make sure that you said that
because I felt like there was going to be a
lot of overlap with our thoughts. But there's a couple
of things I wanted to interject here. So first off,
well said, I think that that the nuance, some of
(24:02):
the nues that that is missing from this conversation. Of course,
people online they jump all over this, and you know,
there's a lot of like you know, we call them zombies,
these these myths that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Won't die that are.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Kind of ball and chain to you know, black people,
black men in particular this one.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
So, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
You know, when people have a baby, A lot of
times when you have a baby, it's a surprise.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Of course, you can be very intentional about making a baby,
but when a baby is made, is made, and when
it comes, it comes. Right at the end of the day,
you don't have as much control over when and where
you produce a child as you do over when and
where you join in the holy matrimony. Right, there's a
lot more intentionality that goes into that. You got to
(25:08):
pick a date, you got to sign paperwork, you know,
it's like you got to be present for that, and
therefore you have a lot more deciding power over whether
or not you end up married.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
And I think you.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Pointed to something that is critical that people need to
consider is that marriage is an expression of culture. Marriage
is an expression of any number of things, but it's
not necessarily an expression of biology. Biology is kind of hardwired, right.
(25:49):
We are hardwired to propagate the species. Any species is
hardwired to propagate the species. Right, That's how species continue
to exist. Right, So, whether or not marriage was the thing,
there would be babies. Okay, So we're not getting away
(26:09):
from that. So if the culture shifts away from marriage,
is the all important, be all end all goal for
relationships because of factors like you mentioned, Q, divorce rates.
What comes along with divorce rates. I know women that
don't want to get married because they don't want to
go through the embarrassment of living through a failed relationship
(26:33):
on public display for the world to see. I know
men that don't want to get married because they feel
they have to protect what little fiscal you know, financial
empire they've built up for themselves, and it just doesn't
make sense for them. Right, once upon a time, marriage
was that institution where it could help you grow your
(26:58):
effective net worth, and now a lot of people don't
see it that way, especially when you're hitching your wagon
to somebody who can simply just decide one day that
they just don't feel like being married anymore and leave
and take half of everything that you've built.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
It's just it's a.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Horror fiscal move for anyone who's managed to kind of
get their legs under them as an adult. And now
that people do get married later in life, they tend
to have more accumulated and that's a lot bigger gamble.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And then another point.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
That you mentioned Q, and I think that this speaks
to this as well, is you know, when two people
aren't married, it doesn't necessarily mean that the father is
neglecting the children. Right as a person who's not married
and don't want to be married. Ever, it doesn't make
(27:50):
any sense for me. I don't like I can pay
people to do everything that, you know, when I ask people,
what's the benefit of having a wife outside of like,
you know, hanging out with you're you know, your your
soulmate or whatever, which you can do without marriage. But
outside of that, everything else you can kind of just
pay somebody to do, you know, and indeed I do.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I live by all the restaurants.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
There's somebody that comes and cleans my house for me,
that sort of thing, you know, and outside of the
you know, spending time with someone that you care about,
which again you don't need marriage for that. It's just
a or financial move right. But one of the things
that I've learned and that I've seen in my lifetime
is that, you know, there's a lot of people who
(28:34):
are not married and they are together. They decide to
make a child, and the child is a forever commitment,
or at least a twenty one year commitment, and the
relationship doesn't necessarily need to be a lifetime commitment. It
can be until such a time as it no longer
serves us, right. But once that time happens, when it does.
(28:55):
In these examples, the fathers are still very present, and
what ends up happening is that you split.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Responsibility for the child.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Right, So what happens is your child spends fifty percent
of the time with the mother fifty percent of the
time with the father. And what I've seen in situations
like that is a child getting a heavy dose of
what it means to be in the presence of their
father of a man, and a heavy dose of what
(29:25):
it means to be in the presence of their mother.
And what I've seen from yesteryear is the father and
the mother are both in the home, sure, but the
father can be absent while still being in the home,
can be disconnected emotionally. While in the home, the father
doesn't prepare meals, The father doesn't get the kids ready
(29:47):
for school, the father doesn't drop the kids. You know,
there's a term soccer mom, right, That is a term
from yesteryear. Mom is taking the kids to soccer practice
and picking them up. Mom is doing all this stuff.
Dad goes to work, Dad comes home home, he eats
with the family, and then that's it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The rest of the evening is his. Right.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Now, imagine the fifty to fifty scenario where one hundred
percent of what happens during your time, it's you and
your son, or you and your daughter, or you and
your children. You're feeding them, you're driving them, you're picking
them up, you're buying them clothes, You're doing all that,
and that feels a lot more intentional. Okay, Now, the
last thing I want to say is that this is
the same Center for Disease Control that did this study,
(30:28):
that did a report in I think it was twenty
thirteen when it came out that mentioned that black dads
were doing better than any other dads in terms of
racial groups. In terms of parenting, Black dads are more intentional,
more present, help with homework, change divers all that sort
of stuff. Drove children to and from school, on and
on and on, and that level of intentionality matters, right,
(30:54):
And this is why I said that these zombie myths
won't die. It's what keeps, honestly, mostly white people and
government and some black people too, from looking at the
systemic issues.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
And they try to paint the failings.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Of the black community as simply moral failings of a
group of people who've lost their way, as opposed to
taking responsibility for the fact that there has been systemic
disenfranchisement of this group of people for decades. Right now,
I want to add one last thing here. You mentioned
that interracial births and give a sixty percent something like
(31:30):
that of interracial births where the father was black the
mother was white, sixty percent of them are too couples
that aren't married. Well, the same study says that out
of wedlock births are no longer confined to one racial group,
as nearly forty percent of all US births occur outside
(31:52):
of marriage. It means every single birth, only sixty percent
of them are to a married couple. Forty percent is
not to married couple.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Right. So, when you look at this tiny group of people.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Black men, white women, their birth rate, and you see
that that's sixty percent, you see, yes, you see that
it's higher, but it's not an anomaly relative to the
rest of the births in this country. That shows larger
trends present in the larger culture.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
And yes, oftentimes everything once it gets to black people,
it's skewed one way or another because of a number
of any one of the reasons I've delineated in this.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Part of the conversation.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
But I want people to kind of take this with
these grains of salt and know that this is not
a moral failing of black men. This is indicative of
a number of factors. Now, it could be individuals. There
could even be some data that does suggest something. I'm
(32:56):
not going to say that that's not possible, but I
think that there's a lot of ways that you could
explain this that all make perfect sense.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
These aren't you.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Know, women giving birth and the dads know where to
be found, which is the image. I think that this
data suggests to people who aren't aware that these indeed
are zombie myths that just simply won't die.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Absolutely agree, absolutely absolutely. My son was born my husband
and I were not married. He was born on a wedlock.
I have a black he is a black man. He
was as to Hugh's point, he was in our home
every day. Hasn't missed a single anything. Our son has
(33:41):
only been bathed by either myself or my husband. And
we got married after. So I am a woman of
the forty percent, gave birth to a child, was not married,
and we were very much a family, and then we
got married after.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
If you guys ever want to make time for there's
so much to unpack here. I would love for us
to have a let's get longer and more fleshed out
conversation about this because, like you said, Rama, there's a
lot of myths that intentionally paint a false negative narrative
about black fathers, black dads, black men in general, and
black people. And we have some wonderful examples among us
(34:20):
of the timeline doesn't always line up and then that
day they can be skewed in the way. So if
you guys are ever down, I would love to have
a long form conversation about this.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
I would too, Yeah, because I yeah, I have a
lot of I had a lot of pressure about that,
being giving birth to a child from my parents and
not being married. You know, but both of them, my
mother and father have both been married three times separately,
so marriage for me was like, I mean, I want
to be married, and I've felt certain the pressure from society, religion, parents,
(34:53):
you know all. So I would love to have a
bigger conversation about it too. So definitely felt the pressure.
Speaker 7 (34:59):
Yeah, the mother of our children is traditional Catholic. Not
being married is something that her family, for our entire relationship,
has really been hard on her about and you know,
so I understand, but again, yeah, let's definitely all get
together and continue this conversation. We close out this week's
show with a quick roundtable discussion on the biggest news
(35:19):
story of the past week, the sentencing of Sean P.
Diddy Combs Tammy. Let's start with you to letus your
reaction to the sentencing and your thoughts on the future
for mister Combs and misdian Ramas you guys can follow up.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
So let's talk about Sean Combs, at least one of
his team of attorneys, one of the attorneys that was
in court last week. After the case, he stepped outside
and spoke to journalists where he said that this entire case,
he called it overreach. And he said that you could
tell the overreach from the jury tossing out the majority
(36:00):
of the charges against Ditty, including racketeering, and like we
heard before, like those were some of the bigger charges.
What he ended up being charged with in the end
was a lesser charge, and he said that was proof
that this whole case was just overreached. They were just
basically doing too much. Like the kids would say, the
(36:21):
future for Ditty, well, we do know that right now
he's sentenced to a little over four years. He could
get some time off for already being having been locked up,
so that drops it to a little over three and
a half years. But his legal team, even before he
(36:42):
went to trial, had reached out to President Donald Trump,
And as many people know from back in the day,
you know, Trump was you know, in music videos, rap
videos and whatnot, high profile that way, and so Diddy's
team reached out to the president, but the president at
the time did not give any type of reaction. Later on,
(37:04):
reports say that he kind of was unlikely to reduce
colmb's sentence or take him out of trouble, basically citing
the fact that Colmb's had had some negative things to
say about him during President Trump's political campaign to become president.
What we do know right now, when we talk about
(37:26):
future tents, is that did He's team has reached out
to the President yet again to see if he can
forego this sentence. And we really don't know exactly what
President Trump is going to do, mostly because he says
one thing sometimes and then does something completely different. So
(37:47):
it's kind of a wait and see. But if I
were to guess from what's going on right now did
he might just have to set this one out and
you know, do his time, guys.
Speaker 7 (38:01):
Our fragile president. You know, I'll free a criminal if
he's nice to me. If you don't have nice things
to say about when you're on your own kid, misty,
you know I.
Speaker 5 (38:14):
Have, I think for me, my my focus is to
Diddy's children. I my heart broke for them for being
character witnesses in the courtroom. And I certainly understand the
importance and the impact that probably made, you know, even
the judge said this was important information. Thank you, guys.
You know, I will take this into consideration. But the
(38:37):
reporters say there were inside the courtroom that there wasn't
a dry eye in the house, and you know, we've
seen the videos of his children and family walking in
to support him. And I just don't know if I
feel like, as a parent, if this is a place
and yes they're you know, eighteen years old, as you know,
(38:57):
their youngest baby love is maybe three or four, but
to have an eighteen year old of his youngest, you know,
of the middle children on up, I just questioned who
did they want to speak or did he want them
to speak at his you know, to say this is
(39:18):
who our father is, just because as a parent, I
just I feel like for me and I'm not in
that situation, but I just feel like I would want
my kids far away from that. I don't want you
to have anything to do with this. I did this.
This is for me, my music to face. I just
don't want you here. And I certainly understand the impact
of them being there, but I just I don't know.
(39:40):
That's something that just can't doesn't really necessarily sit right
with me. I just can't that that's a that's in
my side and I just can't let it go. Something
else that definitely my friends and I have definitely gone
back and forth is the fact that he made appearances
after you know there the ruling was going to you know,
come out, and that he made scheduled appearances allegedly for
(40:03):
Miami to go and to speak because he knew I need,
you know, somebody bring me my own clothes. I need
to bring some play clothes, and I'm going to book
these appearances because I'm getting out of here. So is
that manifestation where you're thinking positive and this is going
to you know, I'm going to get this job, or
is this arrogance and where you just kind of it
(40:26):
shows more of the character that people spoke to to
begin with, that Ditty's above the law and all of
these things. And so is he inside thinking right now still?
You know, yeah, I'm going to get out of here.
I know Trump, but you know, and is Trump going
to actually you know? So is there a moment? And
you know I've read reports where he's inside and he's
(40:47):
actually been teaching some of the inmates, sharing some of
his wisdom inside. So is Ditty still feeling like he's
above the law and kind of disconnected or are these
things the actions of a changed man? I'm and so
if you let him out early, if he hasn't you know,
(41:10):
this hasn't made an impact yet, when does it kick in?
Speaker 7 (41:17):
You know, having my children participate in a criminal trial
where I'm the person on trial, I agree one hundred percent.
I would never want them to be anywhere close to it.
And I think we know that rich and powerful men
in this country have an issue with accountability, and in
a lot of cases they're not being any So I
definitely hear where you're coming from, Ramses.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
You know, we got to talk about this once the
verdict came out, and so you know, I've shared my.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
Thoughts on this.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I think that it's worth noting that he did ask
to be moved to a different facility where I think
there's only four thousand inmates, where they have a like
a really intense drug rehabilitation program. That's the guys under
(42:14):
which you know, the request takes place. But it also
makes it easier for him to see his family. Yes,
I think that, and perhaps see other people. I don't know,
but I think that the one part of this that
you know, I can't say what I would do in
that situation, but you know, maybe he really does miss
(42:36):
his family. Maybe he I know, if I was away
from my son, that would be the worst feeling in
the world. I've been away from my son and I've
never felt pain like that. I've been on the other
side of the planet, and I was worried he was
a baby at the time. I was worried he might
forget me, and I would try to hold him and
he would cry. So that that pain of missing your
child is something that I know. And I don't know
(42:57):
if he's using his children as a prop I don't
know if he feels genuinely like he misses his children.
Who's to say, but you know, I can imagine how
I would feel. So and then the other thing that
I would noticed that the speaking engagement, because that troubled
(43:20):
me that he scheduled a speaking engagement. Would have turned
out that that speaking engagement. That information was offered by
Ditty's defense to the judge to suggest, Hey, Diddy's going
to go down here and continue to do the work
that he's done in the prison. In the jail here,
(43:41):
he's going to continue to do that work. He's scheduled
to do something, you know, tomorrow or whatever after he
leaves this place, to continue teaching inmates, you know, business entrepreneurship,
that sort of thing. And so it at least it
seemed like he was committed to the act, if not
(44:06):
the result. You know, I can't say, but I think
that framing all of this properly is is what we
do as as journalists, and it's fair. And so this
is not a defensive Ditty. I don't know what that
man is on. I don't know what he's trying to do.
I don't you know. Obviously there's a lot of blind
spots here, and he could be up to anything and
(44:27):
giving his reputation, he could very well be. But also
this is a pivotal moment and it would be for anybody,
and so I think it's important to just state the
things that I've learned as I've tried to kind of expose,
you know, for my you know, for the segment that
you and I did expose the things that he might
be up to, and those are the things that I found.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
So I'll leave it there well.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
That in mind, I'd like to thank you all very
much for your time and your insight.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Today's guests are Bian News anchors Timmy Yeswick and Misty Jordan.
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