October 3, 2025 • 24 mins
BIN News anchors Vanessa Tyler + Mike Stevens join Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward to discuss this week's major news stories.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the bi
In Today, we are joined by bi IN Network news
anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens to discuss this week's
major stories. This is the QR code. He is q
Ward and he is ramses Jah. Indeed, I am all right,
(00:20):
Mike Stevens. Vanessa Tyler, Welcome back to the show. Vanessa.
I kind of know what you've been up to, and
I think our listeners would have know. But let's start
with Mike. Mike, what's the latest. Man, everything's good, man,
you know, Well, I won't say everything is good as
we'll discuss today. Well, yeah, I know what you're you know,
but we're all hanging okay, okay, And Vanessa, please share
(00:40):
with our listeners. Uh, what you've been up to since
you've last been on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh, we've been very busy at the Black Information Network.
We had Walter Wall team coverage at the Congressional Black
Caucus Foundations and you Will Legislative Conference. That kept us
very busy. And now back to the day to day.
Every day is than the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Next, It doesn't seem that way, so Let's get back
to the business at hand, all right. First up, for
the second time under Trump presidency, the US government has
gone into shutdown due to failed budget negotiations. Vanessa, let's
start Toda's show off with you give us the latest
details on what's being impacted by the shutdown, and then
Mike and Cue, we're going to get your thoughts afterward.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh sure, Ramses, it is a shutdown showdown. Everybody is
dug in. The Democrats say now is the time to
discuss restoring potential cuts to healthcare and snap, and they're
holding out. Republicans say all that stuff can be discussed later.
So as a result, parks, monuments, museums closed, and a
(01:44):
lot of black people who are federal workers are not
going to pay checked when even missing one check is
a problem. Now, the big thing here is President Trump
threatened the federal workers may not just be furloughed, but fired.
So who knows when Trump will meet again with Leader
Jeffries and Senator Schumer. The last time they met, Trump
(02:08):
put out this weird ai racist meme about them. So
you know, we're standing by for whatever is next. But
as for now, the government is closed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Mike, Yeah, you know, the Democrats are making a case
that they are not signing this Continuing resolution like they
normally do because they want to protect healthcare, and the
Republicans are saying, well, sign the CR and then we'll
talk about it. You know. I don't know if that's
(02:41):
actually what would happen or not, or if it's a
trick or whatever, but some say this is the chance
Democrats have been waiting for to at least make it
seem like they're fighting back against Republican policies. It's just
a big mess, and I've as Vanessa mentioned, i feel
really for the black federal workers who at the very
least many of them are not getting a paycheck. Ultimately
(03:05):
they may lose their jobs. And some of them just
did some research in some places where they have these
food banks where people are trying to where the federal
workers might try to go and get some assistance, and
a lot of them don't even have the food they
would normally have because of previous cutbacks by the Trump administration.
(03:26):
So it's like being between a rock and a hard place,
you know, through no fall of their own, they end
up being in this situation.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I mean, I'm glad to see that they're using the
little leverage they have to try to make some type
of stand. The unfortunate thing is that they're standing up
for the status quo steal. There's been no dynamic legislation
when they were in power to bring about a more
comprehensive healthcare plan for the citizens of this country. And
(03:58):
I think that has a lot to do with the
reason that the popularity is down. But do something, so
you know, I'm glad you're doing something. The interesting thing
Ramse and I actually spoke about this before, is that
even though they control all lovers of government, they will
find a way to make this someone else's fault. And
that's just that continues to be laughable to me. But
(04:21):
here we are. Former Utah Senator Mitt Romney was in
the news this week for revealing he attempted to provide
the Biden administration with strategic counsel on dealing with President Trump.
Mike going to start with you, share more about this
story with us. Vanessa and Ramas will come to you next.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, Q. Mitt Romney was considered a somewhat
moderate Republican, including taking a stance against Donald Trump in
some cases. In this situation, he urged then presidential Biden
to preemptively pardon Donald Trump to prevent politically based prosecutions
the kind of prosecution we're seeing right now quite a
(05:02):
bit even without a preemptive pardon. You know, Donald Trump
seems to be on a roll with this. It's not
clear how far he's going to go. But if the
early indications are you know, accurate or excuse me, giving
us any idea of what's going on, it's going to continue.
I don't know if those a preemptive pardon would have
(05:24):
actually made a difference. And you know, they call him
teflon don for a reason, so no matter what happens,
it seems like he ends up getting away with it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, I'm almost certain that that preemptive pardon would have
just given him an opportunity to paint Biden as weak
and himself as innocent of never having done anything. So yeah,
I don't know that would have been great in the
way strategy eire Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I totally agree with you both. If I can say
anything to Mitt Romney is that that absolutely makes no sense.
I agree. I think what we're seeing now would have
been done anyway, and Biden did all he could to
at least appear like his hands were off any indictments
(06:14):
against Trump, and who knows what goes on behind the
scenes when you know he wasn't blasting him in person
on the air. So yeah, no, it wouldn't have made
any difference at all.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
If I may mitt Romney, bless his.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Heart, I think that he still subscribes to a reality where.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
All people are decent.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
On some level. Donald Trump is decent on some level
based on the reality of the situation is that Donald
Trump has managed to exploit to the nth degree almost
everything that has come his way, favorable or unfavorable. We're
(07:12):
past the point of master manipulation, like he can't be
doing this on his own. And ultimately, at the end
of the day, he has the support of a significant
amount of the population of the United States of America.
It doesn't matter what he does, it doesn't matter what
he says, it doesn't matter, nothing matters. He can say
something that is a bold place lie, then come back
(07:32):
and admit it was a lie, and it won't lose
a follower. It's the fact is, there was nothing that
Joe Biden could have or should have done differently. Donald
Trump should have been held accountable by the court system
of the United States of America, and if it had
not been for the Supreme Court that he stacked in
(07:54):
his favor, I suspect he would have been. So this
goes back to the untimely death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg
and just the way that cards fell. He did receive
his felony convictions in the state of New York, which
is beyond federal jurisdiction, so that's not nothing. But again
he turns that into this sort of political, politically prosecuted
(08:19):
woe is Me narrative that his followers have leaned into.
Q and I can say until we're blowing the face, Yo,
he's actually convicted by a jury of his peers of
doing the thing that we knew he did the whole time.
And they just have a version of the truth that
they want to be true. They'll ignore all of the facts.
(08:41):
And it's not the same. The two parties are not
the same. The two schools of thinking are not the same.
It's not even woefully ignorant. It's people that are intentionally
turning a blind eye to the facts or accepting the
facts and loving basking in them. Right because they think
(09:02):
the system is corrupt and Donald Trump is the savior
to the corrupt system. And you know, there's something to
be said about their grievances, I'm sure with the system
quote unquote. I don't think they should be in front
of black people in that line, because we have a
lot more grievances to air out in terms of the system.
(09:25):
But for them to lean into their most racic, most basic,
most fear based, most hate based tendencies and cast to
vote for Donald Trump, there was nothing that could save
him from or them from.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
What he ultimately is.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And I don't believe Joe Biden could have done anything different.
A show of goodwill, as Q mentioned, would have been
considered either an active weakness or Donald Trump would have
somehow manipulated into see, I was innocent all along and
they knew it. They had nothing on me, and so
he had to do it. But no, they're just a
(10:07):
corrupt government blah blah, and he would have just kept
on down that path. So you cannot be decent to
a person who is not decent. And I think that's
the part of this equation that Mitt Romney has missed.
He thinks that we live in the world that we
once lived in, and Donald Trump almost single handedly has
shifted the culture of this country and the climate of
(10:32):
this planet way far right. And we're at a point
now where facts don't matter, Like we can all accept
the facts and they don't matter. Some people want to
see the world burn, and a lot of those people
vote for Donald Trump. It's you know, I'm not saying
(10:52):
it's all Republicans. Iainly wouldn't say something like that, but
there's a lot of folks in that Maga crowd and
I'm on the far right that are not in the
Maga crowd, that are anti Donald Trump, that would rather
see everything burn, and they suspect that they're going to
rise from the ashes, they being straight Christian, heterosexual men,
(11:13):
you know, with some degree of wealth, healthy and on
and on and on. So you know, we put a
post up today about Pete Heggs. That's racist tattoos, his
extremist tattoos, and that guy's running the Department of War,
which we've never had before. So again mid Romney, bless
(11:34):
his heart. But we live in a different world. Man.
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Bin News anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens are here
with us discussing this week's major stories. All right up next,
Former CNN host Don Lemon is facing social media backlash
for his recent comments about white men that many people
(12:24):
deemed as poorly timed, racist and in bad taste.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Vanessa, let's go back to you again.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Tell us more about the story, and then we'll get
your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Mike and Q, we'll get your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Last well poorly timed, many would argue, this is the
perfect time. It's something we all noticed. The color of
the face is behind the trigger. Here's part of what
Don Lemon said on his YouTube show and I quote,
this country keeps waking up to bodies in the pews,
blood on the floor, gunfire in public places, and the
(12:57):
faces behind the trigger looks the same nearly every single time.
That upsets some people, but you know what, it's the truth.
The majority of the mass shooters are white. I mean,
there have been black people here and there. And you
know the a young man most recently who went down
to the offices of the NFL claiming CT. By the
(13:21):
way the results came back, he did have CT and
shut up the NFL offices and shut innocent people at
the same time. But that's a rare occurrence. So I
mean he kind of said, what what is the truth?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Mike? Yeah, I would just say I don't want to
go point counterpoint with Don Lemon. I would say that,
you know, I supported him in a way when he
was at CNN, the only black mail or one of
maybe two black males who are the primary face of
the network, you know, and he would say one thing
(13:57):
one day that you can say yes, and then something else,
something crazy the other days. So I really can't completely
give him a vote of confidence one way or the other,
you know. And keep in mind too, he's trying to
sell a book, so that often means saying stuff that
can help with book sales. But that doesn't mean that
he's not telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I think what we always say is not that we
want everyone to be as persecuted as we are. We
just want the same benefit of the doubt as everyone else. Right, So,
one black man or one black child, or one black
student or one black woman does something, and everyone black
gets categorized by that bad act. But the statistics in
(14:44):
the data show that extreme is violence in this country
is at a very very high percent skewed toward one direction,
and that entire group does not get categorized or viewed
or seen through that lens in the way it would
be if they were black, or if they were Muslim,
(15:04):
or if they were a member of the LGBTQ community. Right,
white men get to escape that type of categorization every time,
and that's not afforded to anyone those So I think
that might have been a greater point. Don't let me
speak for him, just kind of my perspective on that story.
We close out this week's show with the news out
of Las Vegas on a story that we may have
(15:26):
heard unfortunately too many times, Mike tell us more about
this story and than Vanessa, and around us you can
close us out.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I hate to hear stuff like this. A mother
filed a federal lawsuit against the Clark County School District
claiming her black son was subjected to racial abuse for
almost two years, which is a long time. She says
her son was called the N words several times, and
when she complained to the school, the abuse, she says,
(15:55):
gotten worse. Some of the things that were said to him.
She says, quoting here, your skin is burnt by the sun,
you're too black. You ate fifteen buckets of fried chicken
every day, You shower in kool aid, and you're a
watermelon muncher. Now, even if you're like watermelon like I do,
(16:16):
and kool aid, it's still that's rough to get that
in school. And so she named the school principle and
others in this suit and says things got worse again
when she complained, And just from a personal perspective for
someone who went through some of those things myself in
(16:37):
the early grades, when the first time I ever heard
the N word, it was by a white kid saying
it to me, and I had never even heard that
this is like in I don't know, second grade or something.
I had never even heard the word before, and the
other white kids who were watching were who like they
knew what it was. I didn't know. And I'll just
(16:58):
be honest with you. The the response that I had
to the boy who called me that was very physically aggressive.
I won't go into details, but it was very It
was very And that was just the first of many
during my school years, and many of you perhaps had
the same experience. But it's just horrible. And where did
(17:22):
they get this from? Okay, maybe they get it from movies,
from social media, but in a lot of cases comes
from parents or from the dinner table at home, you know.
And so I think in a lot of ways, parents
of these kids who are making these remarks are to blame.
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
The N word is a very unique word in a
way that even though you never heard it and didn't
have a specific definition for it, you still understood it
to be an insult and were still upset for that
to turn physical, or set enough for that to turn physical.
I was lucky enough to grow up where every classmate
I ever had all the way until college was black.
(17:58):
So the first time I dealt with racist I was
an adult and in college. But this is this is
the truth for too many of us of Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, those can certainly be fighting words coming in out
of the wrong mouth. I've done so many stories, and
I even have a personal story a relative dealing with
the exact same thing. Right now, parents who say they
complain about racial bullying and the school does nothing and
(18:29):
the child continues to suffer. So this is that parent
is not the only one. A lot of them sue,
a lot of them try to remove their child out
of the schools. But there are a lot of schools
who kind of turn a blind eye. They don't do anything,
they don't call in parents, they don't do anything for
(18:49):
this kind of stuff. And it's horrible and it's unfair,
and it leaves a lasting impression on children. You know,
storys their self esteem, it can affect their class work.
So this is very very serious. It is not just
sticks and stones. You know, may hurt my bones, words
(19:10):
can't harm me. Words are harmful.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Ramses. You have had way too many experiences on the
side of this story, as the young men in this
school district. You and I have shared those stories and
with all of our power try to protect our kids
from that same reality. But please give me your perspective
on this story as we close out.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know, when Q and I do our show,
we don't typically talk about individual stories like this a
little kid got called names at school in a parent's suing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
We talk about things that affect huge swas population. We
deal in data, right, so individual stories like this will
give us some sort of aperture into the data to
where we can understand what the real world implications are.
But for the most part, we don't highlight stories like this.
(20:17):
It just they're too plentiful. And you know, we have
a format that we think is more compelling than simply
individual stories because these things are systemic. But this makes
me think of a story that you and I covered
(20:39):
a long time ago, and we had a conversation. We
ended up talking about this, like, I wonder how the people,
the black people that voted for Donald Trump, or the
people that know in their heart they're not racist, but
they just made some sort of fiscal decision or some
sort of whatever decision, whatever it was, because they thought
Donald Trump was going to be the leader that we needed,
(21:02):
and Joe Biden or Kamala Harris could not do the job. Okay,
So we talked about these people and these people's singular
focus about whatever they espoused in terms of, you know,
this country's economic policy or foreign policy or whatever whatever
(21:23):
it was.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
That they thought was the.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Justification of their vote. They had to turn a blind
eye to what we lived through during the first Trump administration.
What Q and I have come to call the Trump effect,
and the Trump effect is, well, Donald Trump is in office,
so all of the people who are racist or have
(21:52):
racist tendencies or ideas are thinking that once upon a
time kept those ideas and thoughts in a home in
hushed conversations in the corners. Now those people feel all
the way up because Donald Trump is in office and
last time you got the popular votes, so they are
(22:13):
super high on their horse now.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And we have become a less decent country.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
We have moved significantly toward a collective moral bankruptcy as
a nation. And this story gives insight into it. Because
children learn from their parents, and this little kid and
enduring racism at school is something that started to at
(22:48):
least in my estimation based on what it is I
know to be true, has started to dissipate as I
became an adult and into my adult years, and when
Donald Trump got back in office, when Donald Trum got
in office the first time, and then of course the
second time, and this is documented. You could look at
the increase and hate speech online. You can look at
(23:08):
the increase in the number of incidents and hate crimes
around the country, and there's a direct correlation and I
suspect causation to the election of Donald Trump, and that
indeed is the Trump effects. So for everyone that.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Had their singular issue that they know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That they're not racist, they're not evil, they know that
in their hearts they had to turn a blind eye
to this. That man said, I will walk up to
him and grab him by the P word, and you
still voted for him, and his moral bankruptcy is now
the moral bankruptcy of this country. And it is not
(23:45):
my fault. I know whose fault it is, and that's
why we're not friends. As always, i'd like to thank
you both very much for your time and your insight.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
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It's been another busy newsweek and we like to review
the major stories of the week here on the bi
In Today, we are joined by bi IN Network news
anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens to discuss this week's
major stories. This is the QR code. He is q
Ward and he is ramses Jah. Indeed, I am all right,
(00:20):
Mike Stevens. Vanessa Tyler, Welcome back to the show. Vanessa.
I kind of know what you've been up to, and
I think our listeners would have know. But let's start
with Mike. Mike, what's the latest. Man, everything's good, man,
you know, Well, I won't say everything is good as
we'll discuss today. Well, yeah, I know what you're you know,
but we're all hanging okay, okay, And Vanessa, please share
(00:40):
with our listeners. Uh, what you've been up to since
you've last been on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Oh, we've been very busy at the Black Information Network.
We had Walter Wall team coverage at the Congressional Black
Caucus Foundations and you Will Legislative Conference. That kept us
very busy. And now back to the day to day.
Every day is than the.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Next, It doesn't seem that way, so Let's get back
to the business at hand, all right. First up, for
the second time under Trump presidency, the US government has
gone into shutdown due to failed budget negotiations. Vanessa, let's
start Toda's show off with you give us the latest
details on what's being impacted by the shutdown, and then
Mike and Cue, we're going to get your thoughts afterward.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh sure, Ramses, it is a shutdown showdown. Everybody is
dug in. The Democrats say now is the time to
discuss restoring potential cuts to healthcare and snap, and they're
holding out. Republicans say all that stuff can be discussed later.
So as a result, parks, monuments, museums closed, and a
(01:44):
lot of black people who are federal workers are not
going to pay checked when even missing one check is
a problem. Now, the big thing here is President Trump
threatened the federal workers may not just be furloughed, but fired.
So who knows when Trump will meet again with Leader
Jeffries and Senator Schumer. The last time they met, Trump
(02:08):
put out this weird ai racist meme about them. So
you know, we're standing by for whatever is next. But
as for now, the government is closed.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Mike, Yeah, you know, the Democrats are making a case
that they are not signing this Continuing resolution like they
normally do because they want to protect healthcare, and the
Republicans are saying, well, sign the CR and then we'll
talk about it. You know. I don't know if that's
(02:41):
actually what would happen or not, or if it's a
trick or whatever, but some say this is the chance
Democrats have been waiting for to at least make it
seem like they're fighting back against Republican policies. It's just
a big mess, and I've as Vanessa mentioned, i feel
really for the black federal workers who at the very
least many of them are not getting a paycheck. Ultimately
(03:05):
they may lose their jobs. And some of them just
did some research in some places where they have these
food banks where people are trying to where the federal
workers might try to go and get some assistance, and
a lot of them don't even have the food they
would normally have because of previous cutbacks by the Trump administration.
(03:26):
So it's like being between a rock and a hard place,
you know, through no fall of their own, they end
up being in this situation.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
I mean, I'm glad to see that they're using the
little leverage they have to try to make some type
of stand. The unfortunate thing is that they're standing up
for the status quo steal. There's been no dynamic legislation
when they were in power to bring about a more
comprehensive healthcare plan for the citizens of this country. And
(03:58):
I think that has a lot to do with the
reason that the popularity is down. But do something, so
you know, I'm glad you're doing something. The interesting thing
Ramse and I actually spoke about this before, is that
even though they control all lovers of government, they will
find a way to make this someone else's fault. And
that's just that continues to be laughable to me. But
(04:21):
here we are. Former Utah Senator Mitt Romney was in
the news this week for revealing he attempted to provide
the Biden administration with strategic counsel on dealing with President Trump.
Mike going to start with you, share more about this
story with us. Vanessa and Ramas will come to you next.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Yeah, you know, Q. Mitt Romney was considered a somewhat
moderate Republican, including taking a stance against Donald Trump in
some cases. In this situation, he urged then presidential Biden
to preemptively pardon Donald Trump to prevent politically based prosecutions
the kind of prosecution we're seeing right now quite a
(05:02):
bit even without a preemptive pardon. You know, Donald Trump
seems to be on a roll with this. It's not
clear how far he's going to go. But if the
early indications are you know, accurate or excuse me, giving
us any idea of what's going on, it's going to continue.
I don't know if those a preemptive pardon would have
(05:24):
actually made a difference. And you know, they call him
teflon don for a reason, so no matter what happens,
it seems like he ends up getting away with it.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, I'm almost certain that that preemptive pardon would have
just given him an opportunity to paint Biden as weak
and himself as innocent of never having done anything. So yeah,
I don't know that would have been great in the
way strategy eire Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I totally agree with you both. If I can say
anything to Mitt Romney is that that absolutely makes no sense.
I agree. I think what we're seeing now would have
been done anyway, and Biden did all he could to
at least appear like his hands were off any indictments
(06:14):
against Trump, and who knows what goes on behind the
scenes when you know he wasn't blasting him in person
on the air. So yeah, no, it wouldn't have made
any difference at all.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
I don't think.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
If I may mitt Romney, bless his.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Heart, I think that he still subscribes to a reality where.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
All people are decent.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
On some level. Donald Trump is decent on some level
based on the reality of the situation is that Donald
Trump has managed to exploit to the nth degree almost
everything that has come his way, favorable or unfavorable. We're
(07:12):
past the point of master manipulation, like he can't be
doing this on his own. And ultimately, at the end
of the day, he has the support of a significant
amount of the population of the United States of America.
It doesn't matter what he does, it doesn't matter what
he says, it doesn't matter, nothing matters. He can say
something that is a bold place lie, then come back
(07:32):
and admit it was a lie, and it won't lose
a follower. It's the fact is, there was nothing that
Joe Biden could have or should have done differently. Donald
Trump should have been held accountable by the court system
of the United States of America, and if it had
not been for the Supreme Court that he stacked in
(07:54):
his favor, I suspect he would have been. So this
goes back to the untimely death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg
and just the way that cards fell. He did receive
his felony convictions in the state of New York, which
is beyond federal jurisdiction, so that's not nothing. But again
he turns that into this sort of political, politically prosecuted
(08:19):
woe is Me narrative that his followers have leaned into.
Q and I can say until we're blowing the face, Yo,
he's actually convicted by a jury of his peers of
doing the thing that we knew he did the whole time.
And they just have a version of the truth that
they want to be true. They'll ignore all of the facts.
(08:41):
And it's not the same. The two parties are not
the same. The two schools of thinking are not the same.
It's not even woefully ignorant. It's people that are intentionally
turning a blind eye to the facts or accepting the
facts and loving basking in them. Right because they think
(09:02):
the system is corrupt and Donald Trump is the savior
to the corrupt system. And you know, there's something to
be said about their grievances, I'm sure with the system
quote unquote. I don't think they should be in front
of black people in that line, because we have a
lot more grievances to air out in terms of the system.
(09:25):
But for them to lean into their most racic, most basic,
most fear based, most hate based tendencies and cast to
vote for Donald Trump, there was nothing that could save
him from or them from.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
What he ultimately is.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
And I don't believe Joe Biden could have done anything different.
A show of goodwill, as Q mentioned, would have been
considered either an active weakness or Donald Trump would have
somehow manipulated into see, I was innocent all along and
they knew it. They had nothing on me, and so
he had to do it. But no, they're just a
(10:07):
corrupt government blah blah, and he would have just kept
on down that path. So you cannot be decent to
a person who is not decent. And I think that's
the part of this equation that Mitt Romney has missed.
He thinks that we live in the world that we
once lived in, and Donald Trump almost single handedly has
shifted the culture of this country and the climate of
(10:32):
this planet way far right. And we're at a point
now where facts don't matter, Like we can all accept
the facts and they don't matter. Some people want to
see the world burn, and a lot of those people
vote for Donald Trump. It's you know, I'm not saying
(10:52):
it's all Republicans. Iainly wouldn't say something like that, but
there's a lot of folks in that Maga crowd and
I'm on the far right that are not in the
Maga crowd, that are anti Donald Trump, that would rather
see everything burn, and they suspect that they're going to
rise from the ashes, they being straight Christian, heterosexual men,
(11:13):
you know, with some degree of wealth, healthy and on
and on and on. So you know, we put a
post up today about Pete Heggs. That's racist tattoos, his
extremist tattoos, and that guy's running the Department of War,
which we've never had before. So again mid Romney, bless
(11:34):
his heart. But we live in a different world. Man.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
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Bin News anchors Vanessa Tyler and Mike Stevens are here
with us discussing this week's major stories. All right up next,
Former CNN host Don Lemon is facing social media backlash
for his recent comments about white men that many people
(12:24):
deemed as poorly timed, racist and in bad taste.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Vanessa, let's go back to you again.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Tell us more about the story, and then we'll get
your thoughts.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Mike and Q, we'll get your thoughts.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Last well poorly timed, many would argue, this is the
perfect time. It's something we all noticed. The color of
the face is behind the trigger. Here's part of what
Don Lemon said on his YouTube show and I quote,
this country keeps waking up to bodies in the pews,
blood on the floor, gunfire in public places, and the
(12:57):
faces behind the trigger looks the same nearly every single time.
That upsets some people, but you know what, it's the truth.
The majority of the mass shooters are white. I mean,
there have been black people here and there. And you
know the a young man most recently who went down
to the offices of the NFL claiming CT. By the
(13:21):
way the results came back, he did have CT and
shut up the NFL offices and shut innocent people at
the same time. But that's a rare occurrence. So I
mean he kind of said, what what is the truth?
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Mike? Yeah, I would just say I don't want to
go point counterpoint with Don Lemon. I would say that,
you know, I supported him in a way when he
was at CNN, the only black mail or one of
maybe two black males who are the primary face of
the network, you know, and he would say one thing
(13:57):
one day that you can say yes, and then something else,
something crazy the other days. So I really can't completely
give him a vote of confidence one way or the other,
you know. And keep in mind too, he's trying to
sell a book, so that often means saying stuff that
can help with book sales. But that doesn't mean that
he's not telling the truth.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I think what we always say is not that we
want everyone to be as persecuted as we are. We
just want the same benefit of the doubt as everyone else. Right, So,
one black man or one black child, or one black
student or one black woman does something, and everyone black
gets categorized by that bad act. But the statistics in
(14:44):
the data show that extreme is violence in this country
is at a very very high percent skewed toward one direction,
and that entire group does not get categorized or viewed
or seen through that lens in the way it would
be if they were black, or if they were Muslim,
(15:04):
or if they were a member of the LGBTQ community. Right,
white men get to escape that type of categorization every time,
and that's not afforded to anyone those So I think
that might have been a greater point. Don't let me
speak for him, just kind of my perspective on that story.
We close out this week's show with the news out
of Las Vegas on a story that we may have
(15:26):
heard unfortunately too many times, Mike tell us more about
this story and than Vanessa, and around us you can
close us out.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I hate to hear stuff like this. A mother
filed a federal lawsuit against the Clark County School District
claiming her black son was subjected to racial abuse for
almost two years, which is a long time. She says
her son was called the N words several times, and
when she complained to the school, the abuse, she says,
(15:55):
gotten worse. Some of the things that were said to him.
She says, quoting here, your skin is burnt by the sun,
you're too black. You ate fifteen buckets of fried chicken
every day, You shower in kool aid, and you're a
watermelon muncher. Now, even if you're like watermelon like I do,
(16:16):
and kool aid, it's still that's rough to get that
in school. And so she named the school principle and
others in this suit and says things got worse again
when she complained, And just from a personal perspective for
someone who went through some of those things myself in
(16:37):
the early grades, when the first time I ever heard
the N word, it was by a white kid saying
it to me, and I had never even heard that
this is like in I don't know, second grade or something.
I had never even heard the word before, and the
other white kids who were watching were who like they
knew what it was. I didn't know. And I'll just
(16:58):
be honest with you. The the response that I had
to the boy who called me that was very physically aggressive.
I won't go into details, but it was very It
was very And that was just the first of many
during my school years, and many of you perhaps had
the same experience. But it's just horrible. And where did
(17:22):
they get this from? Okay, maybe they get it from movies,
from social media, but in a lot of cases comes
from parents or from the dinner table at home, you know.
And so I think in a lot of ways, parents
of these kids who are making these remarks are to blame.
You know.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
The N word is a very unique word in a
way that even though you never heard it and didn't
have a specific definition for it, you still understood it
to be an insult and were still upset for that
to turn physical, or set enough for that to turn physical.
I was lucky enough to grow up where every classmate
I ever had all the way until college was black.
(17:58):
So the first time I dealt with racist I was
an adult and in college. But this is this is
the truth for too many of us of Vanessa.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, those can certainly be fighting words coming in out
of the wrong mouth. I've done so many stories, and
I even have a personal story a relative dealing with
the exact same thing. Right now, parents who say they
complain about racial bullying and the school does nothing and
(18:29):
the child continues to suffer. So this is that parent
is not the only one. A lot of them sue,
a lot of them try to remove their child out
of the schools. But there are a lot of schools
who kind of turn a blind eye. They don't do anything,
they don't call in parents, they don't do anything for
(18:49):
this kind of stuff. And it's horrible and it's unfair,
and it leaves a lasting impression on children. You know,
storys their self esteem, it can affect their class work.
So this is very very serious. It is not just
sticks and stones. You know, may hurt my bones, words
(19:10):
can't harm me. Words are harmful.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Ramses. You have had way too many experiences on the
side of this story, as the young men in this
school district. You and I have shared those stories and
with all of our power try to protect our kids
from that same reality. But please give me your perspective
on this story as we close out.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know, when Q and I do our show,
we don't typically talk about individual stories like this a
little kid got called names at school in a parent's suing.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
We talk about things that affect huge swas population. We
deal in data, right, so individual stories like this will
give us some sort of aperture into the data to
where we can understand what the real world implications are.
But for the most part, we don't highlight stories like this.
(20:17):
It just they're too plentiful. And you know, we have
a format that we think is more compelling than simply
individual stories because these things are systemic. But this makes
me think of a story that you and I covered
(20:39):
a long time ago, and we had a conversation. We
ended up talking about this, like, I wonder how the people,
the black people that voted for Donald Trump, or the
people that know in their heart they're not racist, but
they just made some sort of fiscal decision or some
sort of whatever decision, whatever it was, because they thought
Donald Trump was going to be the leader that we needed,
(21:02):
and Joe Biden or Kamala Harris could not do the job. Okay,
So we talked about these people and these people's singular
focus about whatever they espoused in terms of, you know,
this country's economic policy or foreign policy or whatever whatever
(21:23):
it was.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
That they thought was the.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Justification of their vote. They had to turn a blind
eye to what we lived through during the first Trump administration.
What Q and I have come to call the Trump effect,
and the Trump effect is, well, Donald Trump is in office,
so all of the people who are racist or have
(21:52):
racist tendencies or ideas are thinking that once upon a
time kept those ideas and thoughts in a home in
hushed conversations in the corners. Now those people feel all
the way up because Donald Trump is in office and
last time you got the popular votes, so they are
(22:13):
super high on their horse now.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
And we have become a less decent country.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
We have moved significantly toward a collective moral bankruptcy as
a nation. And this story gives insight into it. Because
children learn from their parents, and this little kid and
enduring racism at school is something that started to at
(22:48):
least in my estimation based on what it is I
know to be true, has started to dissipate as I
became an adult and into my adult years, and when
Donald Trump got back in office, when Donald Trum got
in office the first time, and then of course the
second time, and this is documented. You could look at
the increase and hate speech online. You can look at
(23:08):
the increase in the number of incidents and hate crimes
around the country, and there's a direct correlation and I
suspect causation to the election of Donald Trump, and that
indeed is the Trump effects. So for everyone that.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Had their singular issue that they know.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
That they're not racist, they're not evil, they know that
in their hearts they had to turn a blind eye
to this. That man said, I will walk up to
him and grab him by the P word, and you
still voted for him, and his moral bankruptcy is now
the moral bankruptcy of this country. And it is not
(23:45):
my fault. I know whose fault it is, and that's
why we're not friends. As always, i'd like to thank
you both very much for your time and your insight.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
Once again.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
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