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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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who keeps me on my toes and keeps me honest.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
The voice you just heard is the r N QR code.
He goes by the name of Ramses Joh. I like
to call him the north star around here. And all
of the hope that lives in the spirit of this
show comes from his head and his heart.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Some of it Q has his name, but anyway, we'll
argue about that one. Sometimes he has his moments. But anyway,
stick around because we have a great show in store
for you. We are going to be talking a little
later in the show about how Jimmy Kimmel's actually got
Italian citizenship, you know, just in case you know, he's
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not the only one getting prepared for things to get worse.
We've seen what's happened around the country. But we're gonna
kind of try to make heads or tails of what
he might be concerned about I think we have a
good idea already, and.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We're also going to be talking about how a former
youth pastor was arrested and accused of abusing sixteens. I
know that's not really the sort of stuff that we cover,
but we have an interesting take on it that I'm
sure you're gonna want to stick around for Qward's clapback.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
He's going to be talking.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
About how Donald Trump is rewriting rewriting history in real time,
which is unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Isn't the right word.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It is beyond, well, beyond unfortunate, but Q will have
some words for the president. We're also going to be
talking about how one hundred and forty five nations now
recognize Palestinian statehood, and we're going to start to show
off talking about what's going on in the culture, as
protests have erupted in DC over Trump's police takeover. People
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are not happy about that on the ground. But before
we get to that, it is time for our.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Feel good feature.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And today's feel good feature is a I don't know
feel good is really the right way to frame it,
but it's if you were looking for some optimism, you
might be able to find it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
How about that? All right? This comes from NPR.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Less than a week after President Trump said he has
ordered a new census, The cabinet official who oversees the
Census Bureau acknowledged Tuesday that Congress, not the president, has
the final say over the national headcount that's used to
reshape election maps and guide federal funding. NPR has exclusively learned.
Speaking at a town hall event for the bureau's employees,
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik also suggested that when tallying the
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country's population, the census should differentiate people living in the
US without legal status from other residents. According to three
Census Bureau employees, who asked NPR not to name them
because of they fear retaliation, Lutnick said, if a person
has quote broken into the country, they need to be
counted in the census, but they should be counted as
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someone who has broken into the country, the three employees
confirmed to NPR letnx remarks come amid a Republican led
campaign to use census data to redraw congressional voting maps
in Texas and other states ahead of next year's midterm election,
in an attempt to maintain GOP control of the House
of Representatives. Amid this rare mid decade redistricting push, Trump,
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Republican Florida Governor Rond DeSantis and some GOP lawmakers in
Congress have floated conducting a census before the next scheduled
count in twenty thirty, so that new results can be
used to redistribute House seats among the states and redraw
maps of congressional voting districts, all before the twenty twenty
sixth election. Given the short timeline, census experts have dismissed
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the idea of a twenty twenty five or twenty twenty
six census as practically impossible. It usually takes a bureau
more than a decade to prepare a count, and planning
for the upcoming twenty thirty census began six years ago.
The fourteenth Amendment requires the whole number of persons in
each state to be counted in the twenty thirty census
appointment numbers, which are set to be used to determine
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each state's new share of House seats and electoral College
of Boats. Okay, so a little something there. It's not
great news, but it's not nothing. So they're going to
have a challenging time pulling that off. All right, let's
get to the DC. Before we get into the story.
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I'll speak for myself. I want you to, you know,
speak for yourself too here. But I'm a big fan
of protests. They're getting increasingly scary. But I think that
there's really something to be said about getting outside and
showing with your physical person that you are dissatisfied with
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the representative that is representing the interests of your population.
When people see a physical body moving angrily, holding a sign, shouting,
yelling through bullhorns, I think that it impacts people differently. Now,
some people, obviously I don't care whatever, But there are
people who can just be dissatisfied with their representatives and
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stay home. There are people who can be dissatisfied make
a phone call. There are people who be dissatisfied and
send a letter. But being outside with your physical body,
I think that's the most potent form of protest possible.
So shout out to DC protesters for bringing it to
the man himself. All right, This from the Black Information Network.
Protesters are denouncing President Donald Trump's federal takeover at Washington,
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d C. On Monday, August twelve, Hundreds of protesters gathered
near the White House as Trump announced his plans to
deploy the National Guard and take over Washington, DC's police
department for thirty days, citing what he called an out
of control crime wave. Per The Guardian, quote nothing Trump
is doing right now is about our safety unquote. Kia Chatterjee,
executive director of Free DC, an organization advocating for the
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district's autonomy, said as she spoke to a crowd of
demonstrators gathered on the Sixteenth Street Northwest, the site formerly
known as Black Lives Matter Plaza.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh, we took a picture there, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Protesters held signs that read free DC and this is
our city, voicing concerns over militarization and the erosion of
local governance. Quote what we know from history is that
authoritarians always want to control the capital and the people
in the capital city unquote, chatter Gee told demonstrators.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She goes on to.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Say it's because it's the fastest way to silence dissent
and to accelerate their agenda. And I want to be clear,
this is not about crime. This is about what Trump
is trying to do in DC in order to take
over DC and silence. US Mayor Muriel Bowser echoed protesters' concerns,
calling Trump's takeover unsettling and unprecedented. Despite Trump's claims of
rampant lawlessness in DC, data shows violent crime in the.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
City is at a thirty year low. Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
This isn't a solution, it's a performance.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Brian Streege, a neighborhood commissioner in Navy Yards, said, he
goes on to say, I tend to be pretty cynical
about what the Trump administration is doing right now. This
seems pretty clearly just like red meat to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To his base.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
This announcement on a Monday, The Trump administration also announced
plans to reassign one hundred and twenty FBI agents to
DC to night time patrol duties. Edward Daniels, another commission
in the area, said seeing federal agents patrolling the streets
made him feel concerned and not protected. Quote it's going
to make things even more chaotic here and cause what
I believe to be even more dangerous situations than what
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we've seen here.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
On the ground. Unquote, Daniels said. Quote.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We don't need more troops. Chatterjee added, we need our
voices heard. We need our city respected and we need
to decide for ourselves how we stay safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Okay, so h Q.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
First off, I know that protesting has gotten a lot
scarier these days, but you know these folks in DC
aren't doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So what say you?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I wish the evil and competent person running our country
was a Democrat?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What you said?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Because law enforcement in the military wouldn't just do whatever
they told them to do. They wouldn't just bow down
and bend the knee and break the law and violate
the Constitution and violate people's rights. Because he said so,
they'd be protesting, they'd be in the streets. If the
person in charge making all the decisions that this man
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is making was a Democrat, even if just to own
the Libs, none of this stuff would be happening, and
I would feel better because, unlike sycophant MAGA supporters, my identity,
my personal well being, and my mindset are not tied
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to the people who I vote or don't vote for.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't have.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
A seventy foot Biden, Obama, Harris or Clinton flag anywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I never have one.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Posters, no hats, no T shirts, no bumper stickers.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You don't have any.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Campaigns over you get stuff like that to campaign with. Hey,
this is what I'm going to vote for. I'm believing
what they do not. I worship them, and I will
fight you to defend them to their honor, to the like.
What are we talking about. They would never allow Democrats
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to do these exact same things. If they wanted to
do the exact same things, they wouldn't allow it because
they don't have any actual position on anything. Whatever dude
says that's the right thing to do, whatever he is,
it gets, it's wrong. So if those who oppose their
president wanted to make the exact same decisions for the
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exact same reasons, they storm the capitol, maybe I wasn't
being hyperbolic, and I wasn't a hypothetical that's what they'd
actually do. So protesting was once upon a time legal,
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and maybe far more effective when it was legal. Maybe
it's still legal in principle, but I think it's far
less effective when the people you're protesting can call the
military to come and forcibly stop you from doing so.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If I may interject here to help you make your point, Okay,
I want to help you make your point. There's I'm
going to butcher it. But there's there's a quote I'm
Stokely Carmichael. Maybe it's not even a quote, but I
remember him saying it, and some archival footage that, you know,
I got a bunch of stuff like that that I
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watch repeatedly. But Stokely said something that sounds like what
you were saying. But he said to Stokely was more
of the Malcolm X approach Stokely Carmichael, rather than the
doctor Martin Luther King non violent approach. And so he
was kind of being slightly critical of doctor King's approach
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while while espousing a more direct approach to getting things changed.
And he he and we found out ultimately what ended
up working out, you know. But in the moment, Stokely said,
in order for a non violent approach to be effective
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for protesting all this sort of stuff, to be effective,
the people that are oppressing you must have a conscious
and the United States has none. And that was such
a potent thing that he said. It stayed with me
and I never used it until this conversation. But yeah,
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I think that that's a fair point. It's it's definitely valid.
But where the people cannot fight back you know, a
peaceful protest has its place. You know, it's one thing
because one of the things that you know, we push
back against, and I hear you do it more frequently,
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is that you know, people just sitting home doing nothing,
just taking this like nobody's people are not as upset
as they need to be. And I think that at
least getting outside, getting a sign together, doing something, even
if it doesn't move the president, it might move a
global audience. It might ultimately, you know, when people say,
you know what, the US is doing some crazy stuff,
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let's change how.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We behave towards the US whatever, whatever the case is.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And this is what happened with slavery, who have with
a lot of growing points for this country. And so
protesting is not staying home. So that's what I got
for it. Any closing thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Her cure, I've never heard that articulated better than how
Stukey Carmichael said it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I thought you like that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So again I end up being like the eternal pessimist
on our show these days, realist because all this symbolic
stuff that doesn't move anybody doesn't move me either. Like
I don't see the effectiveness or the efficacy of any
of this anymore. If when we finish marching, we just
go back home and nothing changed and nothing's going to
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the people in charge don't care. They'll send people to
harm us and sleep with a clear conscience or without
one at all.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, well, if I may, Countries tend to move along
very slowly, so little protests today might have some sort
of impact down the road. You know, it took a
long time for this country to give up slavery. It
takes a long time for this country. I'm sure it'll
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take a long time to give up magasm. So anyway,
moving on, let's now talk about these one hundred and
forty five nations now recognizing Palestinian statehood. So we might
not have a whole lot to say here. I want
to start with a comedian. His name is Sammy obeid
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ob e i d if you want to look him up.
I want to credit this content you're about to hear.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But he.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Has a stand up routine and I came across it's edited,
so it's going to go pretty quickly. But I think
that this sort of frames this story and what it
must be like to be a person that sees the
humanity in Palestine. Or lack thereof, and or lack thereof
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in terms of Israel's response to the Hamas attacks at
this point. Initially sure, but at this point obviously it's
super od. So we're going to listen to Sammy Obeid again,
sa m n y ob e I d given credit
to the to the boys you're about to hear, and
then we'll go into a CNN article.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Here we go here that Trump wants to cut disaster
relief funding for people who boycott.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Israel, because that's important.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Donald Trump forty's having, the president and first on the
Epstein list put out a statement with.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
FEMA, which is not short for female. I have to
look it up.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Any state that does not stop its residence from boycotting
Israel will be denied disaster relief funds. So if you're
not cool with families getting bombed, your family.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Deserves a hurricane.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And I don't know if you know about the United States,
we got a lot of disasters and they're all of
a different vibe. You know, on the West, natural disasters
are hot and shaky. On the East, they're wet and twisty,
which sounds like a pranky play on your friend. I'm
gonna give you a wet and twisty You know, there
was a tornado in the Midwest.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
A few weeks ago. See the footage of the aftermath.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That place looked like it got hit by Israel. Do
you see the fires in La early in this year,
That place looks like it met Israel. All natural disasters
do the exact same damage as.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Israel, but for way cheaper.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I'm just saying by domestic you know, like, we send
all this money to Israel for them to bomb other countries,
but why not just invite those other countries to Oklahoma.
The only difference between Israel and a tornado is that
Congress doesn't keep voting for the tornado, and at some
point the tornado.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Actually stops destroying Holmes.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Now, if you accuse this joke of being anti Semitic,
it's actually the opposite, because I'm saying, no one.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Controls the weather.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
The scheem of statement said that boycotting Israel is anti
Semitic in a form of discrimination, but then it also
said any state that participates in DEI will.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Also be punished. It's like bro pick up personality. The
craziest part.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Is you can boycott American companies and not get punished.
You can boycott McDonald's and the government is still going
to be like, I'm loving it. But if your boy
got sabra hummus, you're living in a tent just like
you got hit from Israel home because you know America third,
because China's like second, and we all know this is
happening because Trump has to kiss up to Israel, because
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Israel has the Epstein files.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Israel has footage.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Of Trump and Epstein with underage girls aka femas.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Has it connected somehow?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They have straight up footage of him caught in four
K probably TENNEDDP with the technology.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
They had back then.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
But that's why Trump is so obsessed with the boycott,
because that boy caught. Our tax money is going towards
and genocides overseas that we don't want, and the government's
trying to suppress us from boycotting.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It's like, bro, you begging for a revolution. You want it,
don't you to say it? We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I'll be your Sam Adams, I'll spill the tea. You
have to get a straight up gen Z revolution dumping
Macha into the lake.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I don't think the government's aware a revolution will.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
This place up will leave this place looking like it
got hit by Israel.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Now we're going to need some relief for that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Again, that's at Sammy Obeid. I think that's how I
say it. Obeid. If you want to check out more
of his content and I want to share something from CNN.
A growing number of countries are pledging to recognize a
Palestinian state, with more than one hundred and forty five
nations now joining the call for international recognition. Most of
the nations that recognize as state of Palestine did so
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in nineteen eighty eight, following the Palestine National Council's declaration
of the state. Many other non Western states followed suit
in the nineteen nineties, two thousands, and twenty tens. So
this is just what we've gotten. This is not the article.
I'll get back to the article in a second. New
countries to recognize Palestinian statehood include France, Australia, Canada, Malta, Portugal,
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and the United Kingdom. Those are those are some big, influential,
powerful countries that are set to recognize Palestine, and they're
going to do so in September next month. All right,
back to the article. Those recent announcements leave the United
States increasingly isolated from some of its closest allies on
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the issue of Israel and how it has conducted its
military campaign and aid restrictions. Israel's Foreign ministry has rejected
the European nation's recent calls for recognition, calling them a
reward to Hamas that undermined efforts to reach a ceasefire.
US President Donald Trump has also blasted the calls for recognition.
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It comes amide growing condemnation of the starvation crisis in
Gaza caused by Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid, which has
been widely condemned by United Nations agencies and humanitarian groups. Q.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You want to go first year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't know what it means, So I don't know
how to feel, like like what I said it like,
I'm I'm kind of over the symbolism, Like is this
just a good like?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Is this like a feel good story?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Okay, now we all recognize something that's obvious and shouldn't
have to. We need humans to tell humans they're humans,
that they deserve to be recognized as humans, that they
deserve to not have their babies shot and starved and
unlived and blown up. We need people to hold hands
and symbolically agree to that, so that then what happens
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will Will those people agree to that make the people
who are funding and causing this genocide stop? If not,
then I don't feel anything by it, Like I'm the
symbolic holding hands in kumbaya that leads to no change
doesn't move me. I'm not saying that that's going to
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be the result, but I don't know. So, you know,
I don't if all those nations recognize this, does it
change anything. If it does, then I'll run down the
street barefoot right now and do a backflip and celebrate
and fall on my knees and cry and be excited.
If it's just another symbolic thing that doesn't mean anything
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or change anything, and nobody's gonna get involved with stopping
what's happening, then how are we supposed to feel? So
maybe you can educate me.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, so for folks that want to get into the
weeds again that articles from CNN and you can go
a lot further. I am not the best person to
articulate fully what it means, but I recognize that it's
certainly a starting point.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I know that the bar is.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Like like you have to dig a hole to find
the bar, right, But when the alternative is doing nothing,
recognizing Palestinian statehood is something right. Each one of these
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countries by themselves, they might not have the capacity to
stand up to certainly not the United States militarily speaking
or economically speaking. And I think Israel probably has like
the third or fourth or fifth something like that strongest
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military in the earth, So Israel is that's a pretty
powerful military setup that they have in Israel too. So
how this looks and feels to me is more people
lining up saying, you know what, Palestine, We're gonna treat
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Palestine like it's a different state as as to some
land owned by.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Israel.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We're going to treat the citizens as sovereign citizens independent
of this the nation state of Israel, and how they
go about implementing the treatment of those people remains to
be seen, to your point. But again, when the alternative,
and for the past couple of years, the alternative has
been nothing, it feels like something. And technically there are
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still people alive in Palestine, and so it might be
too little and it might be too late, to your point,
but it's it's not nothing, and people doing something, you know,
maybe it takes a long time to get this across
the finish line.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Maybe you know, there's a lot of things that I
don't know. I'm not going to profess to know it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But bravo to all these countries doing something, and hopefully
it helps them to acknowledge formally the suffering taking place
in Palestine so that they can do something formally about.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
All Right, better do better.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We're gonna be talking about somebody named Ben Ferguson who
better do better. If you don't know that name, don't
worry you should. But I'm going to share an article
from the Atlanta Black Star. The title of this, by
the way, is don't let facts get in the way
of talking points. And I know Q is going to
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love this.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
The sparks flew on CNN's Newsnight with Abby Phillips when
conservative radio host Ben Ferguson credited Donald Trump with driving
down violent crime nationwide, a claim that landed just hours
after the President ordered the National Guard into Washington, d C.
And placed the city's police force under direct federal control.
Trump framed the move as a response to rising violence
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in the nation's capital, but federal data shows crime there
is actually falling, igniting a political firestorm over whether the
president is manufacturing a crisis to justify flexing his extraordinary powers.
Exchange became a flashpoint in the night as Abbey Phillips
challenged Ferguson to back up his claim. Quote, I agree,
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and a lot of it is the leadership of Trump unquote,
Ferguson said, cutting into Phillips's explanation that the national decline
began before the President returned to office, quote, what evidence
do you have that it was Donald Trump, Phillips or
Philip Press sorry? Citing federal data showing crime rates hit
a thirty year low in twenty twenty four after spiking
in twenty twenty three, Ferguson insisted Trump had emboldened law
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enforcement through campaign rhetoric, inadvertently admitting that the president had
given police the green light to act with greater force
and impunity. Phillips shot back, well, don't let facts get
in the way of political talking points. The honor clash
came as Trump's unprecedented moved to seize control of DC
policing dominated headlines, with critics pointing out that his rationale
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rising violence runs counter to the city's own crime data.
So yeah, we could pick on this guy. I don't
need to say his name again. But there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Of people.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Who, let's be honest, they oh, my gosh, Q, it's funny.
It's a full circle moment. These people are racist.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's a word that I do my very very best
not to say. But when it's the truth and you
have to say it, then you have to say it.
I give as much grace as I can, as often
as I can, because I know that word turns people off,
and then we can't even have a productive conversation. So
I should say it more often, because I do see
it more often. But usually there's a more graceful and
tactful way to say it. But in this instance, it's
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that it's just that. And I'll add to it that
people don't often know that they're racist. They certainly don't
believe that they're racist. They think that they judge individuals
based on their individual behaviors and so forth and so on.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Their fears are seldom justified in the face of facts
and context. And then you see that they've been taught
to be racist or prejudiced, likely both based on faulty,
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flawed data and logic, and that they carry these presumptions
into their day to day lives, not knowing that indeed
they've been indoctrinated using racist talking points and rhetoric, and
then they in turn behave in the manner of a
racist and affect the world around them as a racist does.
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And the reason I can say that is because all
Donald Trump had to do was say rising crime rates,
and nobody cared the fear that comes with somebody saying
crime and DC. I'm sure, but anywhere crime when you
think of crime, who comes to mind, right, more often
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than others.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm sure there's some people say, well, I know, I
don't think of that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, sure, but more often than others, you know, and
more people then we'd say, but even if that's not true,
if this was in you know, somewhere in New England,
you know, of state Maine, and Trump was like, hey,
we're getting the military out here, because you know, people
will be like, who.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Wha, what are you doing? Right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They just accept it blindly that crime is rampant, and
in the face of facts, they instead of having that
moral resolution of like oof, I kind of prejudge the situation.
The facts actually show that Donald Trump is overstepping. Nope,
They're very comfortfortable in their racist framework and how they think. Q.
(29:05):
I know, I talked up a lot of hopefully I
hit a couple points that you like there, but you know,
the rest of the time is yours.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
No, you hit a lot of points, but there and
I had a lot, but I don't have enough time. Yeah, racism,
it's typically the answer we I say, we try to
avoid it. You try to avoid it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Sometimes I'm looking at you wondering why you won't say it. Yeah,
And you always explain it the same way. You don't
want to turn people off. You don't want people to
stop engaging. YadA, YadA, YadA. If people are racist, they're racist.
So I had some anecdotes and some stories and some
stuff to share that, as you said when you started
this topic was right up my alley.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But you know, here we are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, another thing that you told me was a story
from when you were in Michigan the last time and
you were having a conversation with someone who basically said
the same thing, don't let facts get in the way
of the narrative.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And I just thought that was funny.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
The voice you just heard is the r N QR code.
He goes by the name of Ramses Joh. I like
to call him the north star around here. And all
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show comes from his head and his heart.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Some of it Q has his name, but anyway, we'll
argue about that one. Sometimes he has his moments. But anyway,
stick around because we have a great show in store
for you. We are going to be talking a little
later in the show about how Jimmy Kimmel's actually got
Italian citizenship, you know, just in case you know, he's
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not the only one getting prepared for things to get worse.
We've seen what's happened around the country. But we're gonna
kind of try to make heads or tails of what
he might be concerned about I think we have a
good idea already, and.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
We're also going to be talking about how a former
youth pastor was arrested and accused of abusing sixteens. I
know that's not really the sort of stuff that we cover,
but we have an interesting take on it that I'm
sure you're gonna want to stick around for Qward's clapback.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
He's going to be talking.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
About how Donald Trump is rewriting rewriting history in real time,
which is unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Isn't the right word.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
It is beyond, well, beyond unfortunate, but Q will have
some words for the president. We're also going to be
talking about how one hundred and forty five nations now
recognize Palestinian statehood, and we're going to start to show
off talking about what's going on in the culture, as
protests have erupted in DC over Trump's police takeover. People
(01:55):
are not happy about that on the ground. But before
we get to that, it is time for our.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Feel good feature.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
And today's feel good feature is a I don't know
feel good is really the right way to frame it,
but it's if you were looking for some optimism, you
might be able to find it.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
How about that? All right? This comes from NPR.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Less than a week after President Trump said he has
ordered a new census, The cabinet official who oversees the
Census Bureau acknowledged Tuesday that Congress, not the president, has
the final say over the national headcount that's used to
reshape election maps and guide federal funding. NPR has exclusively learned.
Speaking at a town hall event for the bureau's employees,
Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik also suggested that when tallying the
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country's population, the census should differentiate people living in the
US without legal status from other residents. According to three
Census Bureau employees, who asked NPR not to name them
because of they fear retaliation, Lutnick said, if a person
has quote broken into the country, they need to be
counted in the census, but they should be counted as
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someone who has broken into the country, the three employees
confirmed to NPR letnx remarks come amid a Republican led
campaign to use census data to redraw congressional voting maps
in Texas and other states ahead of next year's midterm election,
in an attempt to maintain GOP control of the House
of Representatives. Amid this rare mid decade redistricting push, Trump,
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Republican Florida Governor Rond DeSantis and some GOP lawmakers in
Congress have floated conducting a census before the next scheduled
count in twenty thirty, so that new results can be
used to redistribute House seats among the states and redraw
maps of congressional voting districts, all before the twenty twenty
sixth election. Given the short timeline, census experts have dismissed
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the idea of a twenty twenty five or twenty twenty
six census as practically impossible. It usually takes a bureau
more than a decade to prepare a count, and planning
for the upcoming twenty thirty census began six years ago.
The fourteenth Amendment requires the whole number of persons in
each state to be counted in the twenty thirty census
appointment numbers, which are set to be used to determine
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each state's new share of House seats and electoral College
of Boats. Okay, so a little something there. It's not
great news, but it's not nothing. So they're going to
have a challenging time pulling that off. All right, let's
get to the DC. Before we get into the story.
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I'll speak for myself. I want you to, you know,
speak for yourself too here. But I'm a big fan
of protests. They're getting increasingly scary. But I think that
there's really something to be said about getting outside and
showing with your physical person that you are dissatisfied with
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the representative that is representing the interests of your population.
When people see a physical body moving angrily, holding a sign, shouting,
yelling through bullhorns, I think that it impacts people differently. Now,
some people, obviously I don't care whatever, But there are
people who can just be dissatisfied with their representatives and
(05:05):
stay home. There are people who can be dissatisfied make
a phone call. There are people who be dissatisfied and
send a letter. But being outside with your physical body,
I think that's the most potent form of protest possible.
So shout out to DC protesters for bringing it to
the man himself. All right, This from the Black Information Network.
Protesters are denouncing President Donald Trump's federal takeover at Washington,
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d C. On Monday, August twelve, Hundreds of protesters gathered
near the White House as Trump announced his plans to
deploy the National Guard and take over Washington, DC's police
department for thirty days, citing what he called an out
of control crime wave. Per The Guardian, quote nothing Trump
is doing right now is about our safety unquote. Kia Chatterjee,
executive director of Free DC, an organization advocating for the
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district's autonomy, said as she spoke to a crowd of
demonstrators gathered on the Sixteenth Street Northwest, the site formerly
known as Black Lives Matter Plaza.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Oh, we took a picture there, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Protesters held signs that read free DC and this is
our city, voicing concerns over militarization and the erosion of
local governance. Quote what we know from history is that
authoritarians always want to control the capital and the people
in the capital city unquote, chatter Gee told demonstrators.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
She goes on to.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Say it's because it's the fastest way to silence dissent
and to accelerate their agenda. And I want to be clear,
this is not about crime. This is about what Trump
is trying to do in DC in order to take
over DC and silence. US Mayor Muriel Bowser echoed protesters' concerns,
calling Trump's takeover unsettling and unprecedented. Despite Trump's claims of
rampant lawlessness in DC, data shows violent crime in the.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
City is at a thirty year low. Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
This isn't a solution, it's a performance.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Unquote.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Brian Streege, a neighborhood commissioner in Navy Yards, said, he
goes on to say, I tend to be pretty cynical
about what the Trump administration is doing right now. This
seems pretty clearly just like red meat to throw.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
To his base.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
This announcement on a Monday, The Trump administration also announced
plans to reassign one hundred and twenty FBI agents to
DC to night time patrol duties. Edward Daniels, another commission
in the area, said seeing federal agents patrolling the streets
made him feel concerned and not protected. Quote it's going
to make things even more chaotic here and cause what
I believe to be even more dangerous situations than what
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we've seen here.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
On the ground. Unquote, Daniels said. Quote.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
We don't need more troops. Chatterjee added, we need our
voices heard. We need our city respected and we need
to decide for ourselves how we stay safe.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Okay, so h Q.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
First off, I know that protesting has gotten a lot
scarier these days, but you know these folks in DC
aren't doing nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So what say you?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
I wish the evil and competent person running our country
was a Democrat?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
What you said?
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Because law enforcement in the military wouldn't just do whatever
they told them to do. They wouldn't just bow down
and bend the knee and break the law and violate
the Constitution and violate people's rights. Because he said so,
they'd be protesting, they'd be in the streets. If the
person in charge making all the decisions that this man
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is making was a Democrat, even if just to own
the Libs, none of this stuff would be happening, and
I would feel better because, unlike sycophant MAGA supporters, my identity,
my personal well being, and my mindset are not tied
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to the people who I vote or don't vote for.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I don't have.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
A seventy foot Biden, Obama, Harris or Clinton flag anywhere.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I never have one.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Posters, no hats, no T shirts, no bumper stickers.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
You don't have any.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Campaigns over you get stuff like that to campaign with. Hey,
this is what I'm going to vote for. I'm believing
what they do not. I worship them, and I will
fight you to defend them to their honor, to the like.
What are we talking about. They would never allow Democrats
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to do these exact same things. If they wanted to
do the exact same things, they wouldn't allow it because
they don't have any actual position on anything. Whatever dude
says that's the right thing to do, whatever he is,
it gets, it's wrong. So if those who oppose their
president wanted to make the exact same decisions for the
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exact same reasons, they storm the capitol, maybe I wasn't
being hyperbolic, and I wasn't a hypothetical that's what they'd
actually do. So protesting was once upon a time legal,
(10:19):
and maybe far more effective when it was legal. Maybe
it's still legal in principle, but I think it's far
less effective when the people you're protesting can call the
military to come and forcibly stop you from doing so.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
If I may interject here to help you make your point, Okay,
I want to help you make your point. There's I'm
going to butcher it. But there's there's a quote I'm
Stokely Carmichael. Maybe it's not even a quote, but I
remember him saying it, and some archival footage that, you know,
I got a bunch of stuff like that that I
(11:08):
watch repeatedly. But Stokely said something that sounds like what
you were saying. But he said to Stokely was more
of the Malcolm X approach Stokely Carmichael, rather than the
doctor Martin Luther King non violent approach. And so he
was kind of being slightly critical of doctor King's approach
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while while espousing a more direct approach to getting things changed.
And he he and we found out ultimately what ended
up working out, you know. But in the moment, Stokely said,
in order for a non violent approach to be effective
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for protesting all this sort of stuff, to be effective,
the people that are oppressing you must have a conscious
and the United States has none. And that was such
a potent thing that he said. It stayed with me
and I never used it until this conversation. But yeah,
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I think that that's a fair point. It's it's definitely valid.
But where the people cannot fight back you know, a
peaceful protest has its place. You know, it's one thing
because one of the things that you know, we push
back against, and I hear you do it more frequently,
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is that you know, people just sitting home doing nothing,
just taking this like nobody's people are not as upset
as they need to be. And I think that at
least getting outside, getting a sign together, doing something, even
if it doesn't move the president, it might move a
global audience. It might ultimately, you know, when people say,
you know what, the US is doing some crazy stuff,
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let's change how.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We behave towards the US whatever, whatever the case is.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
And this is what happened with slavery, who have with
a lot of growing points for this country. And so
protesting is not staying home. So that's what I got
for it. Any closing thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Her cure, I've never heard that articulated better than how
Stukey Carmichael said it.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
I thought you like that.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
So again I end up being like the eternal pessimist
on our show these days, realist because all this symbolic
stuff that doesn't move anybody doesn't move me either. Like
I don't see the effectiveness or the efficacy of any
of this anymore. If when we finish marching, we just
go back home and nothing changed and nothing's going to
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the people in charge don't care. They'll send people to
harm us and sleep with a clear conscience or without
one at all.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, well, if I may, Countries tend to move along
very slowly, so little protests today might have some sort
of impact down the road. You know, it took a
long time for this country to give up slavery. It
takes a long time for this country. I'm sure it'll
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take a long time to give up magasm. So anyway,
moving on, let's now talk about these one hundred and
forty five nations now recognizing Palestinian statehood. So we might
not have a whole lot to say here. I want
to start with a comedian. His name is Sammy obeid
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ob e i d if you want to look him up.
I want to credit this content you're about to hear.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
But he.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Has a stand up routine and I came across it's edited,
so it's going to go pretty quickly. But I think
that this sort of frames this story and what it
must be like to be a person that sees the
humanity in Palestine. Or lack thereof, and or lack thereof
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in terms of Israel's response to the Hamas attacks at
this point. Initially sure, but at this point obviously it's
super od. So we're going to listen to Sammy Obeid again,
sa m n y ob e I d given credit
to the to the boys you're about to hear, and
then we'll go into a CNN article.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Here we go here that Trump wants to cut disaster
relief funding for people who boycott.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Israel, because that's important.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Donald Trump forty's having, the president and first on the
Epstein list put out a statement with.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
FEMA, which is not short for female. I have to
look it up.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Any state that does not stop its residence from boycotting
Israel will be denied disaster relief funds. So if you're
not cool with families getting bombed, your family.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Deserves a hurricane.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And I don't know if you know about the United States,
we got a lot of disasters and they're all of
a different vibe. You know, on the West, natural disasters
are hot and shaky. On the East, they're wet and twisty,
which sounds like a pranky play on your friend. I'm
gonna give you a wet and twisty You know, there
was a tornado in the Midwest.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
A few weeks ago. See the footage of the aftermath.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
That place looked like it got hit by Israel. Do
you see the fires in La early in this year,
That place looks like it met Israel. All natural disasters
do the exact same damage as.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Israel, but for way cheaper.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
I'm just saying by domestic you know, like, we send
all this money to Israel for them to bomb other countries,
but why not just invite those other countries to Oklahoma.
The only difference between Israel and a tornado is that
Congress doesn't keep voting for the tornado, and at some
point the tornado.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Actually stops destroying Holmes.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Now, if you accuse this joke of being anti Semitic,
it's actually the opposite, because I'm saying, no one.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Controls the weather.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
The scheem of statement said that boycotting Israel is anti
Semitic in a form of discrimination, but then it also
said any state that participates in DEI will.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Also be punished. It's like bro pick up personality. The
craziest part.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
Is you can boycott American companies and not get punished.
You can boycott McDonald's and the government is still going
to be like, I'm loving it. But if your boy
got sabra hummus, you're living in a tent just like
you got hit from Israel home because you know America third,
because China's like second, and we all know this is
happening because Trump has to kiss up to Israel, because
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Israel has the Epstein files.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Israel has footage.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Of Trump and Epstein with underage girls aka femas.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Has it connected somehow?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
They have straight up footage of him caught in four
K probably TENNEDDP with the technology.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
They had back then.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
But that's why Trump is so obsessed with the boycott,
because that boy caught. Our tax money is going towards
and genocides overseas that we don't want, and the government's
trying to suppress us from boycotting.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
It's like, bro, you begging for a revolution. You want it,
don't you to say it? We'll do it.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
I'll be your Sam Adams, I'll spill the tea. You
have to get a straight up gen Z revolution dumping
Macha into the lake.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
I don't think the government's aware a revolution will.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
This place up will leave this place looking like it
got hit by Israel.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
Now we're going to need some relief for that.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Again, that's at Sammy Obeid. I think that's how I
say it. Obeid. If you want to check out more
of his content and I want to share something from CNN.
A growing number of countries are pledging to recognize a
Palestinian state, with more than one hundred and forty five
nations now joining the call for international recognition. Most of
the nations that recognize as state of Palestine did so
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in nineteen eighty eight, following the Palestine National Council's declaration
of the state. Many other non Western states followed suit
in the nineteen nineties, two thousands, and twenty tens. So
this is just what we've gotten. This is not the article.
I'll get back to the article in a second. New
countries to recognize Palestinian statehood include France, Australia, Canada, Malta, Portugal,
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and the United Kingdom. Those are those are some big, influential,
powerful countries that are set to recognize Palestine, and they're
going to do so in September next month. All right,
back to the article. Those recent announcements leave the United
States increasingly isolated from some of its closest allies on
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the issue of Israel and how it has conducted its
military campaign and aid restrictions. Israel's Foreign ministry has rejected
the European nation's recent calls for recognition, calling them a
reward to Hamas that undermined efforts to reach a ceasefire.
US President Donald Trump has also blasted the calls for recognition.
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It comes amide growing condemnation of the starvation crisis in
Gaza caused by Israel's blockade of humanitarian aid, which has
been widely condemned by United Nations agencies and humanitarian groups. Q.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You want to go first year.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't know what it means, So I don't know
how to feel, like like what I said it like,
I'm I'm kind of over the symbolism, Like is this
just a good like?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Is this like a feel good story?
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Okay, now we all recognize something that's obvious and shouldn't
have to. We need humans to tell humans they're humans,
that they deserve to be recognized as humans, that they
deserve to not have their babies shot and starved and
unlived and blown up. We need people to hold hands
and symbolically agree to that, so that then what happens
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will Will those people agree to that make the people
who are funding and causing this genocide stop? If not,
then I don't feel anything by it, Like I'm the
symbolic holding hands in kumbaya that leads to no change
doesn't move me. I'm not saying that that's going to
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be the result, but I don't know. So, you know,
I don't if all those nations recognize this, does it
change anything. If it does, then I'll run down the
street barefoot right now and do a backflip and celebrate
and fall on my knees and cry and be excited.
If it's just another symbolic thing that doesn't mean anything
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or change anything, and nobody's gonna get involved with stopping
what's happening, then how are we supposed to feel? So
maybe you can educate me.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Well, so for folks that want to get into the
weeds again that articles from CNN and you can go
a lot further. I am not the best person to
articulate fully what it means, but I recognize that it's
certainly a starting point.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
I know that the bar is.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Like like you have to dig a hole to find
the bar, right, But when the alternative is doing nothing,
recognizing Palestinian statehood is something right. Each one of these
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countries by themselves, they might not have the capacity to
stand up to certainly not the United States militarily speaking
or economically speaking. And I think Israel probably has like
the third or fourth or fifth something like that strongest
(22:34):
military in the earth, So Israel is that's a pretty
powerful military setup that they have in Israel too. So
how this looks and feels to me is more people
lining up saying, you know what, Palestine, We're gonna treat
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Palestine like it's a different state as as to some
land owned by.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Israel.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We're going to treat the citizens as sovereign citizens independent
of this the nation state of Israel, and how they
go about implementing the treatment of those people remains to
be seen, to your point. But again, when the alternative,
and for the past couple of years, the alternative has
been nothing, it feels like something. And technically there are
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still people alive in Palestine, and so it might be
too little and it might be too late, to your point,
but it's it's not nothing, and people doing something, you know,
maybe it takes a long time to get this across
the finish line.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Maybe you know, there's a lot of things that I
don't know. I'm not going to profess to know it.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
But bravo to all these countries doing something, and hopefully
it helps them to acknowledge formally the suffering taking place
in Palestine so that they can do something formally about.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
All Right, better do better.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
We're gonna be talking about somebody named Ben Ferguson who
better do better. If you don't know that name, don't
worry you should. But I'm going to share an article
from the Atlanta Black Star. The title of this, by
the way, is don't let facts get in the way
of talking points. And I know Q is going to
(24:25):
love this.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
The sparks flew on CNN's Newsnight with Abby Phillips when
conservative radio host Ben Ferguson credited Donald Trump with driving
down violent crime nationwide, a claim that landed just hours
after the President ordered the National Guard into Washington, d C.
And placed the city's police force under direct federal control.
Trump framed the move as a response to rising violence
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in the nation's capital, but federal data shows crime there
is actually falling, igniting a political firestorm over whether the
president is manufacturing a crisis to justify flexing his extraordinary powers.
Exchange became a flashpoint in the night as Abbey Phillips
challenged Ferguson to back up his claim. Quote, I agree,
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and a lot of it is the leadership of Trump unquote,
Ferguson said, cutting into Phillips's explanation that the national decline
began before the President returned to office, quote, what evidence
do you have that it was Donald Trump, Phillips or
Philip Press sorry? Citing federal data showing crime rates hit
a thirty year low in twenty twenty four after spiking
in twenty twenty three, Ferguson insisted Trump had emboldened law
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enforcement through campaign rhetoric, inadvertently admitting that the president had
given police the green light to act with greater force
and impunity. Phillips shot back, well, don't let facts get
in the way of political talking points. The honor clash
came as Trump's unprecedented moved to seize control of DC
policing dominated headlines, with critics pointing out that his rationale
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rising violence runs counter to the city's own crime data.
So yeah, we could pick on this guy. I don't
need to say his name again. But there are a lot.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Of people.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Who, let's be honest, they oh, my gosh, Q, it's funny.
It's a full circle moment. These people are racist.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
That's a word that I do my very very best
not to say. But when it's the truth and you
have to say it, then you have to say it.
I give as much grace as I can, as often
as I can, because I know that word turns people off,
and then we can't even have a productive conversation. So
I should say it more often, because I do see
it more often. But usually there's a more graceful and
tactful way to say it. But in this instance, it's
(26:47):
that it's just that. And I'll add to it that
people don't often know that they're racist. They certainly don't
believe that they're racist. They think that they judge individuals
based on their individual behaviors and so forth and so on.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
But.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Their fears are seldom justified in the face of facts
and context. And then you see that they've been taught
to be racist or prejudiced, likely both based on faulty,
(27:31):
flawed data and logic, and that they carry these presumptions
into their day to day lives, not knowing that indeed
they've been indoctrinated using racist talking points and rhetoric, and
then they in turn behave in the manner of a
racist and affect the world around them as a racist does.
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And the reason I can say that is because all
Donald Trump had to do was say rising crime rates,
and nobody cared the fear that comes with somebody saying
crime and DC. I'm sure, but anywhere crime when you
think of crime, who comes to mind, right, more often
(28:18):
than others.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I'm sure there's some people say, well, I know, I
don't think of that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, sure, but more often than others, you know, and
more people then we'd say, but even if that's not true,
if this was in you know, somewhere in New England,
you know, of state Maine, and Trump was like, hey,
we're getting the military out here, because you know, people
will be like, who.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Wha, what are you doing? Right, So.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
They just accept it blindly that crime is rampant, and
in the face of facts, they instead of having that
moral resolution of like oof, I kind of prejudge the situation.
The facts actually show that Donald Trump is overstepping. Nope,
They're very comfortfortable in their racist framework and how they think. Q.
(29:05):
I know, I talked up a lot of hopefully I
hit a couple points that you like there, but you know,
the rest of the time is yours.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
No, you hit a lot of points, but there and
I had a lot, but I don't have enough time. Yeah, racism,
it's typically the answer we I say, we try to
avoid it. You try to avoid it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Sometimes I'm looking at you wondering why you won't say it. Yeah,
And you always explain it the same way. You don't
want to turn people off. You don't want people to
stop engaging. YadA, YadA, YadA. If people are racist, they're racist.
So I had some anecdotes and some stories and some
stuff to share that, as you said when you started
this topic was right up my alley.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
But you know, here we are. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Well, another thing that you told me was a story
from when you were in Michigan the last time and
you were having a conversation with someone who basically said
the same thing, don't let facts get in the way
of the narrative.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And I just thought that was funny.
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