October 6, 2025 • 24 mins
The Chicago ICE Raid and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene challenge to President Trump arre the top stories covered on today's podcast. Listen now.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. The
man you are about to hear from is the man
that I can say definitively that I am proud to
face the end of the world with. He's the Q
in the QR code goes by the name of qboard.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The voice that you just heard is typically the one
who gives you, guys, the hope that everything's going to
be okay. He is the R in the QR code.
His name is Ramsy's job, and everything is going to
be okay. And we got a show for you today.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
There's a lot of news that we planned to get
to but we couldn't get to today, but we got
enough for you to certainly keep you here through the
end of the show. So stick around because we are
going to be talking about Donald Trump's most recent claim
about black unemployment, suggesting somehow that he has lowered black
unemployment and he is doing right by black people in
(00:57):
this country. You probably know where that's going, but please
stick around because you know there's a things are starting
to devolve into, like propaganda and that sort of I
think that's happened a long time ago, but we're going
to identify some key things that we think people need
to take away from this moment in time. Prior to that,
(01:19):
we're going to be hearing from q Ward, because he's
going to talk to us about the solidarity of the
right versus the division of everyone else and how that
ends up getting us into the predicament that we're in.
Before we break, we're going to be talking about Marjorie
Taylor Green. Of all people, it seems to be one
of the main folks challenging Donald Trump these days, and
(01:40):
so interesting turn of events there. We're going to start
the bulk of the show off talking about the ice
raid in Chicago. It's a very critical moment in this
administration's anti immigration rollout across the country, and we're going
to talk about that at length. But before we get there,
(02:02):
it is time, as always for a feel good feature,
and today's feel good feature comes from The Root. For
those who don't know, The Root is a journalistically credible
periodical that we cite frequently on this show, and they
cover stories that you don't hear very often in other
(02:23):
media outlets. It is now black owned again, and that
feels kind of special. So The Root is officially black owned.
CNN commentator and former Obama Biden White House Administration official
Ashley Allison acquired the digital media outlet through her company
Watering Hole Media. A political strategist and communications expert, Allison
has built a career amplifying diverse voices at the intersection
(02:44):
of politics, policy, and culture. To her, this purchase represents
more than a business deal. It's an investment in independent journalism,
especially as accurate accounts of black history are being erased
and First Amendment rights are under attack. At this critical
juncture and history, the black community needs trusted sources to
tell the truth and provide context for the many issues
impacting Black lives and liberation. Through this acquisition, Allison plans
(03:07):
to cement The Roots legacy as a trusted news source
while ushering the digital platform into a new era of immersive,
multimedia and experiential formats that push boundaries yet honor the
written word and journalistic rigor. Quote. This isn't about making
more content, but rather about making meaning of this moment unquote,
Alison explains those hot to say The Root has always
(03:28):
been about preserving culture and creating clarity in a world
full of distractions, owning the power to tell our own
stories as a rich tradition, the Root is committed to upholding,
and obviously this is something that we value around here.
You know, there's plenty of news opinion programs that people
can tune into, but to hear kind of what's happening
(03:52):
in Black America and have an authentic voice speaking about that,
we feel is kind of important. And we've been tasked
with that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We'd like to applaud other people that take that role
as seriously as we do.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So really excited about that. Okay, this story is one
of the reasons why I think black media is important.
You know, mainstream media obviously covered this story, which is
why we're able to, you know, talk about it as
(04:26):
though everyone knows and is aware of what happened because
it was widely covered. But these are the types of
stories that don't always get covered. I'm going to just
get right into it. It's from Time magazine. At around
one am on Tuesday morning, armed federal agents repelled from
helicopters onto the roof of a five story residential apartment
in the South Shore of Chicago. The agents work their
(04:48):
way through the building kicking down doors and throwing flash bangrenades,
rounding up adults and screaming children alike, detaining them in
zip ties, and arresting dozens. According to witnesses and local recording,
the military style raid was part of a widening immigration
crackdown by the Trump administration in the country's third largest city,
dubbed Operation Midway Blitz, which has brought a dramatic increase
(05:09):
in federal raids and arrests. It has also drawn outrages
throughout Chicago and the state of Illinois, with rights groups
and lawmakers claiming it represents dramatic escalation and tactics used
by federal authorities in the pursuit of Trump's aggressive immigration crackdown.
Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker announced that federal agents sorry
accused the federal agents of separating children from their parents,
(05:32):
zip tying their hands, and detaining them in dark bands
for hours. Videos of the raids show flash ban grenades
erupting on the street, followed by residents of the building,
children among them, being led to a parking lot across
the street. Photos of the aftermath show toys and shoes
littering the apartment hallways that were left in the chaos
as people were pulled from their beds by the operation
that included FBI and Homeland Security agents. Prisker condemned the
(05:56):
raid and said that he would work with local law
enforcement to hold the agent's account. Quote. Military style tactics
should never be used on children and a functioning democracy unquote,
he said in a statement on Friday. Quote this didn't
happen in a country with an authoritarian regime. It happened
here in Chicago. It happened in the United States of America,
a country that should be a bastion of freedom, hope,
(06:16):
and the rights of our people is guaranteed by the
Constitution unquote, he added. The Department of Homeland Security has
touted some nine hundred arrests in its Chicago operations since
it began in early September, as well as the thirty
seven arrests made in the nighttime raid on Tuesday, all
of whom it said were a quote involved in drug
trafficking and distribution, weapons crimes, and immigration violations.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The DHS said the building was targeted because it was
quote known to be frequented by trend Day Aragua members
and their associates unquote. Although it is yet to release
the names of those arrested. DHS Secretary Christy Nome posted
a video on the raid on social media, overlaid with
dramatic music, showing helicopters shining bright lights onto the apartment,
armed with the agent's kicking down doors and leading people
(07:00):
out of the building in restraints. The DHS spokesperson told
CNN following the raid that children were taken into custody
quote for their own safety and to ensure these children
were not being trafficked, abused, or otherwise exploited unquote. The
DHS also said that four children who are US citizens
with undocumented parents were taken into custody. President Donald Trump
has repeatedly threatened to send federal authorities and troops to
(07:21):
Chicago and other Democratic run cities to assist in immigration
raids and to address what he perceives to be rampant crime.
Okay too, I want you to go first here. When
you first were made aware of this, I guess your
initial thoughts.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I don't want us to be dishonest or to speak
so broadly about how manstream media is covering this. By covering,
they're saying that it happened, but they're not reacting like
with outrage or with you know, with some extreme language
or position that shouldn't be touted as you know, alarming.
(08:03):
The video that DHS released looked like a movie trailer.
They're very, very proud of what they did and this
idea that they say so flippantly, you know, these US
citizen children or taken into custody for their own good,
to protect them from parents who are not being accused
(08:25):
of a crime, who are not being arrested, who are
not going through any due process. It's a really scary reality.
Because they told us that it was about illegal immigrants
and criminals. They started with the wresting Spanish speaking workers
(08:48):
where they work, right, these lazy criminals that are doing
all these crimes, except they're going to work every day
and you are picking you up there. They then started
attending immigration hearings, arresting people they tried to do the
proper thing to get their citizenship, where to get their
legal immigration status. So it's just really troubling that we're
(09:09):
now at a point where even black American citizens being
raided by military style black Hawk helicopters makes the news,
but like not as a major story, not presented as
scary or irregular, just another story on the news today.
(09:31):
It's really hard to know how to feel about it
because we saw it coming, and I think so many
people were comfortable with it as long as it wasn't
them right they thought some people in good faith thought
that this was about getting criminals off the street. A
lot of us knew better, and a lot of us
always knew that black people would be next in line,
(09:52):
that we would eventually make the target list of the
people who they would go after with things like this.
So these have all been the worst I told you
so is ever right? Like, we saw all this very extreme,
very illegal, very throw the constitution away type tactics and
behaviors happening, and you know, there's there's starting to feel
(10:15):
like there's nothing we could do about it, and that's
a that's a pretty dim place to be.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, you know, I I'm not going to pretend like
I know everything about what happened in Germany when the
Nazis were rounding up all the Jews, but to the
(10:42):
best of my recollection, based on what it is that
I learned about, kind of looks like this. The Jews
were othered by the leadership and the people that supported
that leadership bought into that propaganda fully, hook, line and sinker,
(11:10):
and in their minds, they had a justifiable reason to
go and round these people up. They had a justifiable
reason to snitch on, you know, neighbors that were providing support.
They had a justifiable reason to join the Nazi Party
(11:34):
and help round up this group of people that were
poisoning the blood of Germany. Right, And they would do
things like this, and you're.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, it's a trip to see it happen in the
United States of America where we were taught these lessons,
and literally half the country is like, I don't know
what they were taught, but for some reason it doesn't register.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's like, no, they're criminals, right, And you mentioned like
everybody was really really quiet when these folks were like
going after people that were working, and then the criminalization
became like, well, I know, he said the worst of
the worst, but these are criminals because they broke into
this country and they broke our laws. So they need
(12:24):
to get rounded up and shipped out, and so that
becomes the new goalpost, right, and they ignore all of
the complaints that they had, Well, they come here and
they take advantage of our healthcare system. They take advantage
of our whatever our freedoms or whatever whatever it is
that is built into our societal framework that is kind
(12:46):
of reserved for US citizens. And you know, these people
that are working that aren't freeloaders, they cannot pay into
a system, nor can they you know, take away from
the system. They're not on the Affordable Care Act. These
sorts of things are true. Well, the singular is true, though,
is that they can pay into that system. Well, they
can and do.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, you're right, they spend money, they just can't benefit from.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Benefit from I'm glad you said that, because that is actual,
That is actually true. But the thing is now, the
singular thing that they've done wrong is that they just
came here illegally. And no, like if you would have
started the conversation there, people would be like, well, they're
not hurting anybody, they're working, or you know, maybe they're
(13:30):
in the pathway to getting their citizenship. Sure, you know,
I understand that every four years there's a new president
in office and there's new rules, and sometimes citizenship is
a little harder to get than what I might imagine
it to be. But as long as they're not hurting anybody.
They're fine. They're cleaning houses and they're cleaning up hotels
and working and everything is cool. But now people just
(13:50):
are like, just get them, just get them, you know,
because again they bought it hook line and sinker, and
now we look like the nation state of Germany when
they were rounding up Use. It's a trip. Moving on.
Marjorie Taylor Green somebody that I've had strong opinions about
in the past and I will probably continue to have
(14:13):
strong opinions about. But turns out she's been one of
the more vocal critics of Donald Trump lately. Who to
thunk right? So this from Fox News. When Marjorie Taylor
Green first came to Congress, it's fair to say she
was viewed as something of a kook. In fact, I
remember I was talking of Bootleg keV and he was like, man,
what a kook. So that's the second time I'm seeing
(14:36):
that word, and it's from Fox. So how about that
She indulged in conspiracy theories and repeated QAnon quackery, which
she later acknowledged was a mistake. But now MTG has
evolved into President Trump's most vociferous critic, which is especially
noticeable in a party that follows their leader at almost
every turn. The Georgia congresswoman, an ultra conservative, still says
(14:58):
she likes Trump, but she's largely in the business of
denouncing him on various issues, and that hasn't exactly gone unnoticed.
Now The New York Times is portraying her as part
of a growing MAGA divide. Green has been pushing for
the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files, and a Trump
official made it known that would be viewed as a
hostile act. MTG told The Times that she called a
(15:22):
top White House aide quote, I told them you didn't
get me elected. I do not work for you. I
worked for my district. We aren't just supposed to be
whipped on our votes because they're telling us what to
do with this scary threat, or saying, well primary you,
or that we won't get invited to the White House events.
(15:42):
Green has also challenged the president on foreign policy, saying
that she still believes in the concept of America. First
proudly proclaiming herself to be a Christian nationalist, she was
the first Hill Republican to accuse Israel of genocide. Quote,
you can't unsee dead children. That's not fake, it's not
war propaganda. She's also an ardent critic of federal funding
(16:04):
for Ukraine and voted against aid packages despite Trump's new
support for the sovereign country invaded by Russia. Green not
only says taxpayer dollars shouldn't be used to fund foreign wars,
but she is clashed with Speaker Mike Johnson, attempting to
oust him for depending on Democratic votes to pass Ukrainian aid. Green,
who has also opposed the White House on artificial intelligence,
(16:24):
is clearly enjoying her newfound independence. She posted this quote,
if you tell the base of people who support you
of deep state treason as crimes and rich, powerful, elite
evil cabals, then you must take down every enemy of
the people unquote. So make no mistake, you know. There's
more to this article against a Fox News article for
(16:45):
anybody that wants to read the rest of it. But
she's still very much a conservative, very very right wing.
She has some ideas that don't feel consistent with what
I would imagine a kind and decent and morally just
human being to have into espouse, right, But when there's
(17:14):
something I think it's important to say there's something here, okay,
And the something is not everything, but the something is
that she's not just following this guy in DC in
the White House. She's able to like say, Nope, that's wrong,
(17:35):
or I disagree with that or whatever. And that is
how the best ideas and the best plans in theory
make their way to the top. You have people that
disagree with you, and you defend your position, and if
you're able to defend it, and you have your team
defended and your plight is just, then your idea conceivably
(17:58):
will ultimately emerge victorious. And other people's ideas along the
way should challenge your ideas, and if they're able to
take down your idea, then it probably wasn't good enough idea.
Maybe theirs was better, or maybe you merge the two,
or take parts of this and parts of that. But
this is kind of the point of a democracy is
(18:19):
that one person it doesn't decide everything for everyone. And indeed,
the best ideas theoretically make their way to policy and
are ultimately implemented. And that cannot be true in what
is effectively a monarchy. The right controls every lever of government,
and the right is controlled by one man and seldom
(18:42):
do people break from what he says. Even if he
says things that are factually incorrect and everyone knows it,
they will do their best to go and re engineer
the story to where it makes sense, or to where
it is moral or it is just or something we
read in the article prior to this where they were saying, oh,
these children were detained and zip tied just to ensure
(19:05):
that they weren't being trafficked. Right. So they're really good
at respending the narrative. And it's like nobody is waking
up and saying, hey, maybe this isn't really who we are,
who we should be, Maybe this isn't what we voted for.
They're having a tough time coming to terms with that.
And so when I say this is not nothing in
(19:25):
terms of Marjorie Taylor Green, that that's something to be
able to function as an independent human being, endowed with
consciousness and a moral compass. And I will say it
a degree of intelligence, discernment and the capacity to say
(19:45):
I don't agree with that, that's wrong, I don't like
that you owe me this or whatever, instead of just yes,
sir and showing him your other cheek. And I think
a lot of those Republicans that are the far right
ultra like this person. I think that if they took
(20:09):
a page out of her book, the Republican Party wouldn't
be as unrecognizable as it is right now. So that's
my initial reactions. Q.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I just wish she wasn't singular in her dissent. Far
more people in the country are okay with the way
things are than it's comfortable, and we can tell because
the streets are not flooded with people who are angry
about what's happening. Even the things that are being reported
on the news, even the things that are in the paper,
even the things that are in the headlines, they're not
(20:40):
getting eruptions of upset and angry citizens. A lot of
people are still in this, you know, or maybe one
day it'll show up at my front door. But until then,
I'm just going to bump her down. Keep going to work,
keep going to school. Then again, the hypernormalization of what
is MAGA. The media failed all of us pretty dramatically,
(21:03):
pretty drastically the last time he was in office, and
then the time in between, he was allowed to be normalized,
and he should have been treated as bizarre and extreme
and criminal, and he wasn't, and he was allowed to
just kind of stay in the orbit of politics and
stay the front runner of that party. No one stepped
(21:27):
up and pushed him out of the way, no one
neglected accepting him as a league candidate. So seeing someone
break ranks is very shocking, because it seems no one
ever does. I'm curious to see what the party does
now that one of their most vocal, one of their
(21:48):
most known, is disagreeing with their leader, even if only
on one topic. So I'm very curious to see what
the what happens in the wake of her being a
voice that disagrees with his.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, well, I would imagine that someone like her, she's
probably one of the more visible. I'll call her a
Maga Republican because that's what she's known for. Certainly no
shortage of photos of her wearing a Trump hat or
(22:24):
a Maga hat or whatever. It takes someone that high
up to kind of start snapping people out of that
trance that they're in, saying, like, you know what I did.
I didn't really think that that thing I saw on
the news was okay, but everybody else seemed okay with it,
(22:48):
So I didn't want to be the one Trumper that
was like, hey, is Trump tripping? So if they see
her saying, hey, look I don't agree with this doing
on everything, like you know, again she's saying that she's
still loves a guy whatever, and these guys, I don't
expect them to like abandon him, you know, he's their guy.
But at a point you get a little bit of
(23:08):
your individuality back, and somebody's got to go first, and
to know that it's been her.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's the strange thing about it, though, is that we've
always categorized her as extreme and whatever that word was
that Fox uses at the.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Beginning, Kookie.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, they deliberately bring that word back now though, so
that she can be taken less serious now that she's disagreeing, right,
that the things we always said, they'll now say those
things about her so that no one will collaise with her.
So again, very interested to see how everyone reacts to
this new tune that she's singing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, well, obviously we're going to continue to watch, you know,
what's going on with Marjorie Taylor Green, But for now,
this looks like leadership to me, and that's not nothing
Broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. Welcome to the QR Code,
where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes. The
man you are about to hear from is the man
that I can say definitively that I am proud to
face the end of the world with. He's the Q
in the QR code goes by the name of qboard.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The voice that you just heard is typically the one
who gives you, guys, the hope that everything's going to
be okay. He is the R in the QR code.
His name is Ramsy's job, and everything is going to
be okay. And we got a show for you today.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
There's a lot of news that we planned to get
to but we couldn't get to today, but we got
enough for you to certainly keep you here through the
end of the show. So stick around because we are
going to be talking about Donald Trump's most recent claim
about black unemployment, suggesting somehow that he has lowered black
unemployment and he is doing right by black people in
(00:57):
this country. You probably know where that's going, but please
stick around because you know there's a things are starting
to devolve into, like propaganda and that sort of I
think that's happened a long time ago, but we're going
to identify some key things that we think people need
to take away from this moment in time. Prior to that,
(01:19):
we're going to be hearing from q Ward, because he's
going to talk to us about the solidarity of the
right versus the division of everyone else and how that
ends up getting us into the predicament that we're in.
Before we break, we're going to be talking about Marjorie
Taylor Green. Of all people, it seems to be one
of the main folks challenging Donald Trump these days, and
(01:40):
so interesting turn of events there. We're going to start
the bulk of the show off talking about the ice
raid in Chicago. It's a very critical moment in this
administration's anti immigration rollout across the country, and we're going
to talk about that at length. But before we get there,
(02:02):
it is time, as always for a feel good feature,
and today's feel good feature comes from The Root. For
those who don't know, The Root is a journalistically credible
periodical that we cite frequently on this show, and they
cover stories that you don't hear very often in other
(02:23):
media outlets. It is now black owned again, and that
feels kind of special. So The Root is officially black owned.
CNN commentator and former Obama Biden White House Administration official
Ashley Allison acquired the digital media outlet through her company
Watering Hole Media. A political strategist and communications expert, Allison
has built a career amplifying diverse voices at the intersection
(02:44):
of politics, policy, and culture. To her, this purchase represents
more than a business deal. It's an investment in independent journalism,
especially as accurate accounts of black history are being erased
and First Amendment rights are under attack. At this critical
juncture and history, the black community needs trusted sources to
tell the truth and provide context for the many issues
impacting Black lives and liberation. Through this acquisition, Allison plans
(03:07):
to cement The Roots legacy as a trusted news source
while ushering the digital platform into a new era of immersive,
multimedia and experiential formats that push boundaries yet honor the
written word and journalistic rigor. Quote. This isn't about making
more content, but rather about making meaning of this moment unquote,
Alison explains those hot to say The Root has always
(03:28):
been about preserving culture and creating clarity in a world
full of distractions, owning the power to tell our own
stories as a rich tradition, the Root is committed to upholding,
and obviously this is something that we value around here.
You know, there's plenty of news opinion programs that people
can tune into, but to hear kind of what's happening
(03:52):
in Black America and have an authentic voice speaking about that,
we feel is kind of important. And we've been tasked
with that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We'd like to applaud other people that take that role
as seriously as we do.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So really excited about that. Okay, this story is one
of the reasons why I think black media is important.
You know, mainstream media obviously covered this story, which is
why we're able to, you know, talk about it as
(04:26):
though everyone knows and is aware of what happened because
it was widely covered. But these are the types of
stories that don't always get covered. I'm going to just
get right into it. It's from Time magazine. At around
one am on Tuesday morning, armed federal agents repelled from
helicopters onto the roof of a five story residential apartment
in the South Shore of Chicago. The agents work their
(04:48):
way through the building kicking down doors and throwing flash bangrenades,
rounding up adults and screaming children alike, detaining them in
zip ties, and arresting dozens. According to witnesses and local recording,
the military style raid was part of a widening immigration
crackdown by the Trump administration in the country's third largest city,
dubbed Operation Midway Blitz, which has brought a dramatic increase
(05:09):
in federal raids and arrests. It has also drawn outrages
throughout Chicago and the state of Illinois, with rights groups
and lawmakers claiming it represents dramatic escalation and tactics used
by federal authorities in the pursuit of Trump's aggressive immigration crackdown.
Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker announced that federal agents sorry
accused the federal agents of separating children from their parents,
(05:32):
zip tying their hands, and detaining them in dark bands
for hours. Videos of the raids show flash ban grenades
erupting on the street, followed by residents of the building,
children among them, being led to a parking lot across
the street. Photos of the aftermath show toys and shoes
littering the apartment hallways that were left in the chaos
as people were pulled from their beds by the operation
that included FBI and Homeland Security agents. Prisker condemned the
(05:56):
raid and said that he would work with local law
enforcement to hold the agent's account. Quote. Military style tactics
should never be used on children and a functioning democracy unquote,
he said in a statement on Friday. Quote this didn't
happen in a country with an authoritarian regime. It happened
here in Chicago. It happened in the United States of America,
a country that should be a bastion of freedom, hope,
(06:16):
and the rights of our people is guaranteed by the
Constitution unquote, he added. The Department of Homeland Security has
touted some nine hundred arrests in its Chicago operations since
it began in early September, as well as the thirty
seven arrests made in the nighttime raid on Tuesday, all
of whom it said were a quote involved in drug
trafficking and distribution, weapons crimes, and immigration violations.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
The DHS said the building was targeted because it was
quote known to be frequented by trend Day Aragua members
and their associates unquote. Although it is yet to release
the names of those arrested. DHS Secretary Christy Nome posted
a video on the raid on social media, overlaid with
dramatic music, showing helicopters shining bright lights onto the apartment,
armed with the agent's kicking down doors and leading people
(07:00):
out of the building in restraints. The DHS spokesperson told
CNN following the raid that children were taken into custody
quote for their own safety and to ensure these children
were not being trafficked, abused, or otherwise exploited unquote. The
DHS also said that four children who are US citizens
with undocumented parents were taken into custody. President Donald Trump
has repeatedly threatened to send federal authorities and troops to
(07:21):
Chicago and other Democratic run cities to assist in immigration
raids and to address what he perceives to be rampant crime.
Okay too, I want you to go first here. When
you first were made aware of this, I guess your
initial thoughts.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I don't want us to be dishonest or to speak
so broadly about how manstream media is covering this. By covering,
they're saying that it happened, but they're not reacting like
with outrage or with you know, with some extreme language
or position that shouldn't be touted as you know, alarming.
(08:03):
The video that DHS released looked like a movie trailer.
They're very, very proud of what they did and this
idea that they say so flippantly, you know, these US
citizen children or taken into custody for their own good,
to protect them from parents who are not being accused
(08:25):
of a crime, who are not being arrested, who are
not going through any due process. It's a really scary reality.
Because they told us that it was about illegal immigrants
and criminals. They started with the wresting Spanish speaking workers
(08:48):
where they work, right, these lazy criminals that are doing
all these crimes, except they're going to work every day
and you are picking you up there. They then started
attending immigration hearings, arresting people they tried to do the
proper thing to get their citizenship, where to get their
legal immigration status. So it's just really troubling that we're
(09:09):
now at a point where even black American citizens being
raided by military style black Hawk helicopters makes the news,
but like not as a major story, not presented as
scary or irregular, just another story on the news today.
(09:31):
It's really hard to know how to feel about it
because we saw it coming, and I think so many
people were comfortable with it as long as it wasn't
them right they thought some people in good faith thought
that this was about getting criminals off the street. A
lot of us knew better, and a lot of us
always knew that black people would be next in line,
(09:52):
that we would eventually make the target list of the
people who they would go after with things like this.
So these have all been the worst I told you
so is ever right? Like, we saw all this very extreme,
very illegal, very throw the constitution away type tactics and
behaviors happening, and you know, there's there's starting to feel
(10:15):
like there's nothing we could do about it, and that's
a that's a pretty dim place to be.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, you know, I I'm not going to pretend like
I know everything about what happened in Germany when the
Nazis were rounding up all the Jews, but to the
(10:42):
best of my recollection, based on what it is that
I learned about, kind of looks like this. The Jews
were othered by the leadership and the people that supported
that leadership bought into that propaganda fully, hook, line and sinker,
(11:10):
and in their minds, they had a justifiable reason to
go and round these people up. They had a justifiable
reason to snitch on, you know, neighbors that were providing support.
They had a justifiable reason to join the Nazi Party
(11:34):
and help round up this group of people that were
poisoning the blood of Germany. Right, And they would do
things like this, and you're.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Right, it's a trip to see it happen in the
United States of America where we were taught these lessons,
and literally half the country is like, I don't know
what they were taught, but for some reason it doesn't register.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
It's like, no, they're criminals, right, And you mentioned like
everybody was really really quiet when these folks were like
going after people that were working, and then the criminalization
became like, well, I know, he said the worst of
the worst, but these are criminals because they broke into
this country and they broke our laws. So they need
(12:24):
to get rounded up and shipped out, and so that
becomes the new goalpost, right, and they ignore all of
the complaints that they had, Well, they come here and
they take advantage of our healthcare system. They take advantage
of our whatever our freedoms or whatever whatever it is
that is built into our societal framework that is kind
(12:46):
of reserved for US citizens. And you know, these people
that are working that aren't freeloaders, they cannot pay into
a system, nor can they you know, take away from
the system. They're not on the Affordable Care Act. These
sorts of things are true. Well, the singular is true, though,
is that they can pay into that system. Well, they
can and do.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, you're right, they spend money, they just can't benefit from.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Benefit from I'm glad you said that, because that is actual,
That is actually true. But the thing is now, the
singular thing that they've done wrong is that they just
came here illegally. And no, like if you would have
started the conversation there, people would be like, well, they're
not hurting anybody, they're working, or you know, maybe they're
(13:30):
in the pathway to getting their citizenship. Sure, you know,
I understand that every four years there's a new president
in office and there's new rules, and sometimes citizenship is
a little harder to get than what I might imagine
it to be. But as long as they're not hurting anybody.
They're fine. They're cleaning houses and they're cleaning up hotels
and working and everything is cool. But now people just
(13:50):
are like, just get them, just get them, you know,
because again they bought it hook line and sinker, and
now we look like the nation state of Germany when
they were rounding up Use. It's a trip. Moving on.
Marjorie Taylor Green somebody that I've had strong opinions about
in the past and I will probably continue to have
(14:13):
strong opinions about. But turns out she's been one of
the more vocal critics of Donald Trump lately. Who to
thunk right? So this from Fox News. When Marjorie Taylor
Green first came to Congress, it's fair to say she
was viewed as something of a kook. In fact, I
remember I was talking of Bootleg keV and he was like, man,
what a kook. So that's the second time I'm seeing
(14:36):
that word, and it's from Fox. So how about that
She indulged in conspiracy theories and repeated QAnon quackery, which
she later acknowledged was a mistake. But now MTG has
evolved into President Trump's most vociferous critic, which is especially
noticeable in a party that follows their leader at almost
every turn. The Georgia congresswoman, an ultra conservative, still says
(14:58):
she likes Trump, but she's largely in the business of
denouncing him on various issues, and that hasn't exactly gone unnoticed.
Now The New York Times is portraying her as part
of a growing MAGA divide. Green has been pushing for
the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files, and a Trump
official made it known that would be viewed as a
hostile act. MTG told The Times that she called a
(15:22):
top White House aide quote, I told them you didn't
get me elected. I do not work for you. I
worked for my district. We aren't just supposed to be
whipped on our votes because they're telling us what to
do with this scary threat, or saying, well primary you,
or that we won't get invited to the White House events.
(15:42):
Green has also challenged the president on foreign policy, saying
that she still believes in the concept of America. First
proudly proclaiming herself to be a Christian nationalist, she was
the first Hill Republican to accuse Israel of genocide. Quote,
you can't unsee dead children. That's not fake, it's not
war propaganda. She's also an ardent critic of federal funding
(16:04):
for Ukraine and voted against aid packages despite Trump's new
support for the sovereign country invaded by Russia. Green not
only says taxpayer dollars shouldn't be used to fund foreign wars,
but she is clashed with Speaker Mike Johnson, attempting to
oust him for depending on Democratic votes to pass Ukrainian aid. Green,
who has also opposed the White House on artificial intelligence,
(16:24):
is clearly enjoying her newfound independence. She posted this quote,
if you tell the base of people who support you
of deep state treason as crimes and rich, powerful, elite
evil cabals, then you must take down every enemy of
the people unquote. So make no mistake, you know. There's
more to this article against a Fox News article for
(16:45):
anybody that wants to read the rest of it. But
she's still very much a conservative, very very right wing.
She has some ideas that don't feel consistent with what
I would imagine a kind and decent and morally just
human being to have into espouse, right, But when there's
(17:14):
something I think it's important to say there's something here, okay,
And the something is not everything, but the something is
that she's not just following this guy in DC in
the White House. She's able to like say, Nope, that's wrong,
(17:35):
or I disagree with that or whatever. And that is
how the best ideas and the best plans in theory
make their way to the top. You have people that
disagree with you, and you defend your position, and if
you're able to defend it, and you have your team
defended and your plight is just, then your idea conceivably
(17:58):
will ultimately emerge victorious. And other people's ideas along the
way should challenge your ideas, and if they're able to
take down your idea, then it probably wasn't good enough idea.
Maybe theirs was better, or maybe you merge the two,
or take parts of this and parts of that. But
this is kind of the point of a democracy is
(18:19):
that one person it doesn't decide everything for everyone. And indeed,
the best ideas theoretically make their way to policy and
are ultimately implemented. And that cannot be true in what
is effectively a monarchy. The right controls every lever of government,
and the right is controlled by one man and seldom
(18:42):
do people break from what he says. Even if he
says things that are factually incorrect and everyone knows it,
they will do their best to go and re engineer
the story to where it makes sense, or to where
it is moral or it is just or something we
read in the article prior to this where they were saying, oh,
these children were detained and zip tied just to ensure
(19:05):
that they weren't being trafficked. Right. So they're really good
at respending the narrative. And it's like nobody is waking
up and saying, hey, maybe this isn't really who we are,
who we should be, Maybe this isn't what we voted for.
They're having a tough time coming to terms with that.
And so when I say this is not nothing in
(19:25):
terms of Marjorie Taylor Green, that that's something to be
able to function as an independent human being, endowed with
consciousness and a moral compass. And I will say it
a degree of intelligence, discernment and the capacity to say
(19:45):
I don't agree with that, that's wrong, I don't like
that you owe me this or whatever, instead of just yes,
sir and showing him your other cheek. And I think
a lot of those Republicans that are the far right
ultra like this person. I think that if they took
(20:09):
a page out of her book, the Republican Party wouldn't
be as unrecognizable as it is right now. So that's
my initial reactions. Q.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
I just wish she wasn't singular in her dissent. Far
more people in the country are okay with the way
things are than it's comfortable, and we can tell because
the streets are not flooded with people who are angry
about what's happening. Even the things that are being reported
on the news, even the things that are in the paper,
even the things that are in the headlines, they're not
(20:40):
getting eruptions of upset and angry citizens. A lot of
people are still in this, you know, or maybe one
day it'll show up at my front door. But until then,
I'm just going to bump her down. Keep going to work,
keep going to school. Then again, the hypernormalization of what
is MAGA. The media failed all of us pretty dramatically,
(21:03):
pretty drastically the last time he was in office, and
then the time in between, he was allowed to be normalized,
and he should have been treated as bizarre and extreme
and criminal, and he wasn't, and he was allowed to
just kind of stay in the orbit of politics and
stay the front runner of that party. No one stepped
(21:27):
up and pushed him out of the way, no one
neglected accepting him as a league candidate. So seeing someone
break ranks is very shocking, because it seems no one
ever does. I'm curious to see what the party does
now that one of their most vocal, one of their
(21:48):
most known, is disagreeing with their leader, even if only
on one topic. So I'm very curious to see what
the what happens in the wake of her being a
voice that disagrees with his.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, well, I would imagine that someone like her, she's
probably one of the more visible. I'll call her a
Maga Republican because that's what she's known for. Certainly no
shortage of photos of her wearing a Trump hat or
(22:24):
a Maga hat or whatever. It takes someone that high
up to kind of start snapping people out of that
trance that they're in, saying, like, you know what I did.
I didn't really think that that thing I saw on
the news was okay, but everybody else seemed okay with it,
(22:48):
So I didn't want to be the one Trumper that
was like, hey, is Trump tripping? So if they see
her saying, hey, look I don't agree with this doing
on everything, like you know, again she's saying that she's
still loves a guy whatever, and these guys, I don't
expect them to like abandon him, you know, he's their guy.
But at a point you get a little bit of
(23:08):
your individuality back, and somebody's got to go first, and
to know that it's been her.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
That's the strange thing about it, though, is that we've
always categorized her as extreme and whatever that word was
that Fox uses at the.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Beginning, Kookie.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, they deliberately bring that word back now though, so
that she can be taken less serious now that she's disagreeing, right,
that the things we always said, they'll now say those
things about her so that no one will collaise with her.
So again, very interested to see how everyone reacts to
this new tune that she's singing.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yeah, well, obviously we're going to continue to watch, you know,
what's going on with Marjorie Taylor Green, But for now,
this looks like leadership to me, and that's not nothing
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.