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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Of q war voice you just heard is my brother.
They are in the QR code, the captain of this
ship and the glimmer of hope that you guys hear
when you listen to the show. He goes by the
name ramses Jah.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Be sure to stick around. We got more show in
store for you. We're going to be talking about Hannah
Einbinder's Emmy acceptance speech and how that has stunned and
made headlines. We're really excited about that, oh as excited
as we can't be. We're also talking about how a
black student was found hanging from a tree at Delta
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State University. That's a very sad story and we're going
to get into the weeds there. But right now it
is time for q words clapback. Talking to us about
Karen Attaya. I believe that's how I say her name.
Being fired for posting Charlie Kirk's own words tell me
mark you.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Free speech for me, not for thee. So I like
to start with the question, even though I can't hear
your answers, And it's more to get your mind to
thinking about the question and then seeking out those answers.
As I tried to make a case, what does this
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say about the state of our so called free speech
when the same people who demand reverence for Charlie Kirk
are firing people for quoting him. Yeah, you know, they
lower the flags, they issue statements, They praise him as
a patriot who just spoke his mind. But if you
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dare to remind folks of what he actually said, you
can lose your job. It's a very different kind of
free speech, more like selective speech, more like hypocrisy in
HD or four K. So let's look at the receipts.
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Matthew Dowd on MSNBC said, hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
hateful words lead to hateful actions. That was too critical
for them, and he was fired. Karen Attia, a respected
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Washington Post journalists, simply quoted Kirk's own words, to show
the double standard, to show the selective American outrage, and
after eleven years at the paper, overnight gone. Employees at
Nasdaq office Depot Delta fired or disciplined for social media
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posts that critiqued Kirk's death or criticized his legacy. At
Clemson University, one staff member was terminated and professors were
suspended for posting jokes online. Again, they're champions for free
speech unless yours just so happens to disagree with theirs,
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then you should be fired or worse. Trust me, they've
called for worse. Meanwhile, Fox News keeps Brian killed Meat
on air after he calls for Nazi style executions of
more than six hundred thousand homeless people. So again, quoting
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Charlie Kirk can cost you your job. But advocating for
state sanctioned murder what and their circles? That sounds like
job security. This very, very outright and blatant double standard
of power. When Kirk was alive, he said that gun
depths were an acceptable costs for the Second Amendment. He
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mocked victims of violence and built his entire career and
his millions on provoking division. But now at his death
he's wrapped in the flag, granted national reverence, flags lowered
in his honor, his body transported on Air Force two.
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But when critics highlight the irony, when journalists and everyday
citizens remind the public of his actual words, they're punished.
They're branded as insensitive, unfit, expendable. I've even heard people
be called disgusting. So once again, political obedience is what's required.
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Parrot the thoughts and prayers of the right, or learn
that speech is not free at all. Conservatives love to
shout and complain about cancel culture when comedians get criticized,
or when a brand changes its logo. It's a massive outcry.
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But the actual truth, the loudest free speech warriors are
the first to cancel you if you cross their narrative. Again,
free speech for me, but not for thee reverence for
my heroes, but punishment for their critics. If that's the standard,
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then speech once again is not free at all. It's rented,
loaned the landlord today's political power. And this just isn't
about Charlie Kirk. It's about what happens when speech itself
becomes partisan property, when truth telling is penalized and propaganda rewarded.
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We're watching our democracy decay. This is how authoritarian states
are built, not all that once overnight, even though it
feels that way, but step by step, firing by firing,
silencing by silencing. When you can be punished for quoting
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someone's own words, then speech has ceased to be about
truth and become about blind loyalty. So, as Ramses will say,
here's my clap back. If your free speech protections only
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cover people who praise your side, then you don't actually
believe in free speech. You believe in control. If quoting
Charley Kirk is fireable, but celebrating him as patriotic, then
I think you can see how the truth itself has
become political contraband. And if America's Fourth of State can't
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tell the difference between honoring the dead and silencing the living,
then it's not about journalism anymore either, state media with
a good graphics department. If you want to honor free speech,
start by protecting the truth, even when and if it
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makes you uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Brilliant Well said, I wonder this woman that was fired
she I'm guessing she was a black woman, of course, Wow,
And she quoted Charlie Kirk's own words, what a world
many live long enough to regret that decision. All right,
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let's have some dialogue about this black student found hanging
from a tree at Delta State University. Okay, I'll share
from the Grio. The body of a black student was
found hanging from a tree at Delta State University early Monday,
prompting horror on the Cleveland, Mississippi campus. According to the
university's chief of police, the body of twenty one year
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old de Marchrevion Trey Reid was discovered on Monday at
approximately seven o five am local time.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
University police was notified of what appeared to be the
body of a black male hanging from a tree at
Central Campus near the DSU pickleball Court. Unquote, said Delta
State University Chief of Police Michael Peeler, who said the
body was later identified as Reed was from Granada, Mississippi.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Our community is deeply saddened by this loss, and we
extend our heartfelt condolences to families and friends and all
those who were impacted by Trey's laws, said Delta State
University President Daniel J. Nis reports MPB. The statement goes
on to say quote I've spoken to Trey's family and
expressed our heartbreak. Reid's death has ignited shockwaves on the
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campus of Delta State, a public university with a fifty
two percent majority white campus and a black population of
thirty six percent. Despite online comments describing the death as
a lynching, HARKing back to the US South's well documented
history of lynching black Americans, police chief Sorry, Police Chief
Peeler said the circumstances behind Reid's hanging are still under investigation.
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The investigation is conducted by the Cleveland Police Department, the
Mississippi Bureau of Investigations, and the Bolivar County Sheriff's Office.
Quote as of this time, there's no evidence of foul play.
While there's no evidence of foul play, the body has
been retrieved by the Bolivar County Coroner's Office unquote, Peeler said.
According to the Mississippi Free Press, Bolivar County Deputy Coroner
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Murray Rourick, who assisted a medical examination of Reed's body,
said there was no evidence of broken arms or legs.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
I don't think I should probably discuss this any further
than that. My opinion is that it was self done
and I have reasons for that, unquote, said Rouric. Despite
the death still being an active investigation, a video of
the horrific scene was apparently circulating online, prompting a Facebook
account belonging to a woman named Lache Read, presumably a
relative to Trey Reid, to take to take to the
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social media account to speak on behalf of the family.
Quote on behalf of respect to our family. Please please
please do not post videos or anything. Just keep us
in your prayers. Read family, Tillman family, the woman posted
along with the photo of Trey Read and family members.
What is done in dark will come to the light,
she wrote in another post. As a result of reads death,
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classes in campus activities have been canceled. However, the campus
did not going to pull lockdown. President and Is stress
that the campus was safe, telling reporters Delta State University
is a beautiful place to be. It's just unfortunate that
this loss comes heavy to our campus. Okay, all right,
First things first, Uh, we we've talked many times about
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how there's a kind of strong, uh mistrust distrust of
police uh in you know, black communities. It's it's based
on a long history of police just not being decent
human beings. Uh, insofar as black folks are concerned, lived experience,
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personal ramses, lived experience too, of police, you know, abusing
their their authority and their powers. You know, for the
most part, police are background noise. They don't I don't
interact with them, they don't interact with me. But when
when they want things to go their way, you know
that they can, and there's really not a lot you
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can do about it, certainly not in the moment. And
becau because no standard exists, no federal standard exists for
policing across the board that is adhered to consistently, because
police tend to insulate themselves from consequences of their own actions,
et cetera. And because police outright lie consistently, and the
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population is taught through what is known as copaganda, the
subtle influence of like movies and you know, TV shows
and that sort of stuff over years, where police are
always the good guys. It's hard for the population at
large to consider that what statements the police police put
out might be flawed or incomplete, or a mischaracterization of
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the events, or outright lies. So I say all that
to say that when they say this doesn't look like
foul play. I'm sure a lot of people say, hmm,
that's exactly what they would say. Right. So, to the
degree that black people are conspiracy theorists in so far
as police are concerned, that is the degree to which
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police have kind of position themselves as the villain in
the story of black Americans who hangs themselves at seven
in the morning from a tree, who is black at
a college campus.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It feels sort of weird. And I think the crazy
part about this is that it feels super weird because
of this current state and climate of the country. When
Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I didn't even remember the number
of bomb threats that were called into HBCUs. Maybe you
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know that Q. If not, it's of no consequence. There
were several and you know, there were people calling for
civil war, people from the right only talking about how
much guns they have and how they wanted some get
back and now it's time the civil wars here, et cetera.
And they turned their sights to black people. And it
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has been and as has been stated many times before,
black people don't have none to do Charlie kirk assassination
sniper rifles, none of that stuff. Utah whatever, that school was,
none of that. And yet and still these HBCUs got
these calls, bomb threats, you know what I mean. And
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I know that Black Americans as we congregate, and this
has been true since at least the massacre. And I
think it was Charleston where Dylan Roof was and shot
up the Black church. He went in there and prayed
with him and shot everybody up and then went got
burger came with the police afterwards. We've been on I
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guess a re heightened alert that lynching is still the
name of the game. I don't think that we ever
really backed off of that pedal, but that certainly set me,
and you know, the people I know off like, yo,
this is crazy. And so seeing a young black man
who's in college hanging from a tree at seven in
the morning on the heels of the rights response to
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one of their own turned out to be shooting Charlie
Kirk feels like somebody might have just taken this moment
to get some get back. Let's do like our daddies
did and hang one of them from a tree so
they know not to mess with us. And so even
if I'm leaning into conspiracy theories, and this was, you know,
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just a young man who was just having a tough
time and did this to himself. Even if which I wouldn't.
You would have to show me a lot of evidence
to convince me of that. But even if that was true,
the state of this country I think is on full
display now because the only thing I think that me
and many of us can think of, certainly the people
that have been commenting on this story, is that this
is a response from a white supremacist Charlie Kirk supporter
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who wants the Civil War to happen to Charlie Kirk's death.
The last couple of minutes, I'll let you share your
thoughts here.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
So a less than one day investigation concludes that there
was no foul play, you know what I mean. Crazy Like,
in less than twenty four hours, we've concluded, right after
a thorough couple of our investigation, after a thorough forty
five minute lookover of the crime, saying we've determined that
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there was no foul play here. Yeah. No, one thinks
that's a bit hasteful to have already concluded the investigation
of this young man's demise. We said something earlier when
we were talking about, you know, black people and reaching
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the point of doing harm to ourselves. I do not
want to give people the impression that that doesn't happen
with black people. Of course, especially in today's climate. I
could see how someone could feel that level of hopelessness.
But by rope, by hanging by tree, that's where you
lose me. Yeah. Yeah, And as soon as I saw
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a delta state, I harken back to Rams' DENI on
the side of the road at three in the morning
and mississh Yeah. So yeah, let's let's see if this
investigation turns up any more truth than the immediate dismissal
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of foul play to the immediate conclusion of suicide by
hanging from a tree on a college campus. And that's
that's a horror one for me. Rams, That's a very
hard one for me.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Bro. Yeah, same, I know exactly what you mean. But
if we don't talk about it, no one will. So
thank you for walking that road with me. C. All right,
let's get to some entertainment news. Hannah Einbinder's Emmy acceptance
speech stunts. All right, this is from Deadline. Hannah Einbinder
lit up the Emmy stage during her acceptance speech after
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winning the statuette for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy
Series for her work on HBO Max's Hacks on Sunday Night.
Going over her alloted time, the star made a couple
of very timely declarations. Quote I want to thank Gene Smart,
who is like the sun, and I just want to
stand in her warmth. I want to thank the cast
and crew of Hacks unquote, Ironbinder said. She continued boldly,
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quote I'll pay the difference. Sorry. Finally, I want to
say go birds, f Ice, that's expletive deleted f Ice,
and free Palestine unquote. The reference to paying the difference
reflects a host, Nate Bargate's charity fundraiser for every minute
a winner goes over there a lot of time with
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their speech. It's estimated that Einbinder will have to pay
ten thousand dollars for her final words, trashing Ice, which
strands for US immigration and customs enforcement, as well as
calling for a free Palestine. The funds will go to
the All Boys and Girls Sorry, sorry, We'll go to
the Boys and Girls Club. In the minutes after the
roaring applause that followed her Closer, a GoFundMe was started
on her behalf. Javier Barden also showed his support for
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a free Palestine by wearing a Palestinian keffi to the celebration.
I think that's how you say it. There's a kafaya.
I'm not sure how to pronounce that, but he used
his time on the red carpet to say he denounces
genocide and gaza Einbinder's Hacks, co star Megan's Falter also
took a stand by speaking of the importance of using
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your platform to bring attention to important issues. Quote, how
many hundreds of thousands of dead children need to suffer
for people to wake up? Barden told USA Today. So,
I you know, it's entertainment news, I guess, and it's
the news of the day. And these people don't have
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to do this. They don't have to say this. They
can take the easy path and just say thanks everyone,
I appreciate my ward and go sit down, and everything
else flies under the radar. So the fact that they
didn't do that, it means that we are pointing it
out and celebrating it, I suppose. But I want to
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make sure that this does not become the standard to
which all humans who are decent aspire to, because there's
certainly much more that people can do. This is, I believe,
what a decent person would do. I want to share
a quick story, Q, if I may. So we shared
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recently on the show that you and I we had
a nonprofit and we fed home folks in downtown Phoenix
for about ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
We were radio personalities and then we used our platforms
to kind of bring attention to these certain issues, that
being one of them, and we did our best to
help out hygiene, food, et cetera. Once upon a time,
a friend of ours, both of ours, his name is
Bruce Saint James. He had a radio show on a
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different radio station. He was on like news talk at
the time. He calls me up. He says, ramses, I
just read about you know, your hashtag lunch bag stuff,
and it might have been it might have been Huffington Post.
It was wasn't okay, So he's like, I just read
about that in Huffington Post. I would love to have
you come across town to our station and interview you
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about this magnificent story that I read about. So Q
and I we discovered there was a homeless child that
was digging through the leftover lunch bags, and we when
we saw that, we were like, uh oh, we need
to do more than just the minimum here. We need
to get this child off the street. There's people with
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mental issues out on the streets, and there's people with
sex offenses, etc. And this is a little girl. We
got to do more than just jump into our expensive
cars and drive to our comfortable homes in the nice
part of town, you know. So we felt compelled to
do more. We found the little girl's mom, and we
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put together a whole campaign with all of our supporters,
and we got them an apartment and a place to live,
and employment for the mom, and a bus pass and
clothes and childcare and all that sort of stuff. We
did a whole thing. Years ago, Bruce had me up
on his show to talk about this, and I remember saying, well,
thank you, Bruce. I appreciate it, and I'm happy to
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tell folks about hashtag lunchbag. But this doesn't feel like
anything that anybody else wouldn't have done. There's no human
being that I know that would see a child digging
through brown paper bags looking for one that hasn't been
eaten yet and think to themselves, Oh, this is normal.
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I don't need to do anything. Oh this is okay,
this is totally fine, and just leave. That's just I
just can't imagine there being a person doing that, right,
So I says to Bruce, Hey, I appreciate you man,
thank you so much, and thank you for giving me
the opportunity to share this story. But the day that
I do what I'm fully capable of doing, then I
would love to come up and tell that story. But
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I did what I was supposed to do. I did
what anybody was supposed to do, and indeed, we all
did what we were supposed to do. It wasn't even
a challenge. I think we emptied out both of me
and you emptied out our pockets in that moment, if
I remember correctly, any cashould we had, right.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, But I don't want you to So those of
you who listen to us on a regular basis, you
know my brother is rainbows and butterflies. Okay, go ahead say.
Saying something like I did what anyone would have done
kind of ignores the truth. If anyone would have done that,
we wouldn't have met the young lady digging through the trash.
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That wasn't day one for her. Okay, So you know,
you don't have to pat yourself on the back, but
you also don't have to pretend that like what we
did was nothing or what anyone would have done, because
it's not. People drive by homeless people and children and
dogs every day. Sure, some do nothing at all, no
one dollar, no juice, no water, no hygiene products, no nothing.
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So everything that we were doing, you might say, is
something that people should do. But the idea is what
anybody would have done is not true this statement. Yeah, okay,
that's fair.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I just I guess my reality is, you know, and
I'm surrounded by Okay, this is me talking to you,
our listener. I'm surrounded by men like you. I'm surrounded
by you know, we had other friends. We had you know,
shout out Taji Sharp, shout out Frisco. At the time
he was, he was hanging out a lot. Who else,
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matt Locks, you know, these these great there you go.
Beemer was there, yeah, all these folks. So Darren was there, Yeah, absolutely,
And so these men and and women that were there,
Tiffany Amy Pineapple lawyer, like all these folks are all
people that would have done this, And so I think
perhaps I live kind of in a little bit of
a bubble in that regard, because I cannot imagine of
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a person that I know, even on a surface level,
that would see something like that, be in a position
to change someone's material reality immediately and then take the
steps to like do what it is that they're capable
of doing, to just make sure that this child doesn't
have to sleep near all these predators and you know,
people that are overdosing and people that are you know, whatever.
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And I recognize that homeless people deserve dignity, and they
have a long way to go. Some folks have a
long way to go, longer than others. But I think
that everyone in their heart of hearts feels compelled to
protect the interest of a child because children are often
blameless in situations like that, and if you're in a
position to do more, you do it. So that's how
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it occurred to me. So your point is well made cut.
Not everybody would have done it, because the fact that
she was out there suggests that not everybody would have
done it. But I think that you know, in terms
of what Hannah Einbinder has done. I want to make
sure that we acknowledge that this is something like when
Bruce acknowledged that I did something. I want to make
sure that we acknowledge that this is special. This is beautiful.
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You know, anybody that does more than nothing. You know
what I mean when we want to encourage you doing
something right. But I don't want to overexalt this to
suggest that this is the minimum that qualifies as or
this is what qualifies as like a hero or anything
like that. I'm not a hero. I did what I
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was supposed to do. I don't know that she's a hero.
She did what she was supposed to do, et cetera.
So I just want to make sure that I'm not
I'm kind of playing coloring in the lines here. So
the final thoughts you before we go, I want to
challenge you on that go ahead. She can put herself
at great risk saying the things that she said. Okay,
like I need you to recalibrate and remember what the
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country's like right now, what the world is like right now.
This assassination had just happened, somebody sharing an opinion that
someone did not agree with. So you're saying you're saying
that because of and you know what, now that you
mention it, I'll take that to yourself and the crosshairs
of people that disagree with you and the wake of
something like that is courageous. I'll do you one better
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than the minimalize that like, yeah, right, no, no, I
think what I'm looking at in particular, because she didn't
say anything about the assassination. She talked about Ice, and
she talked about Palestine. So I was thinking more Palestine.
But one of the things I hadn't considered is the
fact that there's a significant amount of people that are
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pro Israeli in her industry. And so yes, she certainly
did stick her neck out a little bit more than
than if it had been at any other point in
this country's history. And so I'd think.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
To think of who else would be offended by f
ice and free Palestine.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah half the country? Sure, yeah, yeah, no, no, you're
not wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
So okay, recalibration underway. Thank you Qward as always, and
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