August 4, 2025 • 18 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. This is the
QR code where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes.
The man you're about to hear from is the Q
in the QR code, and he is someone that I
miss every time we finished the show. He goes by
the name of q Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The man you just heard from is the R in
QR code, and I'm proud of him because sometimes he'd
be on here and line ya all in that time.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
He kept it real and I always keep it real,
And I mean we joke, we could anyway. We want
you to stick around because we're still going to be
talking about how Donald Trump fired one of the heads
of the Bureau of Labor Statistics after receiving some bad
(00:44):
news on job growth. And it feels like a bit
of a temper tantrum, but it's it's also a scary maneuver.
But before we get there, it's time to hear from
the Great q War as he explains perhaps why Trump.
(01:06):
I'm not sure that you could explain why, but I
guess we're asking why is Trump pitching a pocket recession?
And maybe there's some motivation behind that, who knows, But
what say ye, So.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's an interesting thing that you said twice today was
that he got bad news. I don't think that's accurate.
He just got data. Oh yeah, Okay, it's probably not
data that makes him look good.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's probably not.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
The data that shows the growth that he promised. But
bad news makes it sound subjective or like it was
intended to be harmful. It's hey, it rained yesterday. That's
not bad news. It rained, That's just what happened. We
lost a lot of jobs, we have negative job growth,
(01:54):
We are not doing well fiscally, the country is in
more debt, things cost more money. Like those things are
just true. So his response to unflattering facts more than
bad news. So now, as we mentioned before, we were
(02:15):
now at the present. Facts get fired, present loyalty get
hired part of the show. And there's a new term
that Rams just taught me today and its pocket recession.
And it sounds like something out of a budget meeting,
and you know, something that could be benign and boring,
(02:36):
but it's actually a very dangerous signal, you know, a
red flag that the authoritarian threat in this country is
not theoretical but very real and organize and coming for
this idea of the power of the people. So normally,
if the president wants to cancel funding that Congress has
(03:00):
already approved, they have to get Congress to agree. Like,
remember when you were in Civics class or social studies
or American history and you learned about the checks and
the balances. Well, under this new president, in this new
way of doing things, the president can just not spend
that money and sit on it and ignore Congress and nothing.
(03:22):
And this isn't like some quirk that Ramsen and I
just made up for the show. This is part of
his dictator blueprint that he's been rolling out in front
of us that no one seems to be that up
in arms about. So they used to say Congress holds
the power of the purse. I say used to because
I don't know that that is a thing anymore. It
(03:44):
used to be what prevented a single person, the president included,
from acting like a king. When you let one person
override a budget, it's not long before you know, essential
social programs like medicaid and food existence and education and
you know, clean water are left to rock because they
(04:05):
don't align with that one person's politics or that one
person's pocketbook. That one person's bank account. A future president
could pick and choose which appropriated programs to fund and
which to kill without ever going to Congress. Someone said
(04:25):
that once upon a time about what we're currently going through.
And this is not an academic debate, right, This is
an idea that's coming from a bipartisan commission. It's coming
from some of Trump's people, the same people behind Project
twenty twenty five, the same people who are already writing
executive orders, purging civil servants, and plotting how to deconstruct
(04:50):
the administrative state. This is about consolidating power and as
we've noticed, silencing dissent and even more sinister. And this
is something Rams and I have been talking about for years,
punishing and criminalizing poor people. Trump aligns all these things
(05:13):
in a very broad scope. This isn't like a small
data set. This is kind of his entire political career.
Loyalty based governance, vengeance against the quote unquote deep state enemies,
the enemy from within. He creates these things that don't exist,
and his base gets into a frenzy about it. He's
(05:34):
interfered with federal agencies like the Department of Justice, the CDC,
and the EPA, and once again, we just watch him
do it and nothing happens. So when you cancel spending
on purpose, people lose housing, kids go hungry, seniors can
afford medication. And this is not a theory. Ramses did
(05:56):
not make this story up and send it to me.
This is what we're seeing play out in real time.
It is economic violence, if you will. And they're packaging
this as fiscal responsibility, hoping that you know, those of
who are the victims of this won't notice as your
(06:16):
future is being stolen, because it's not just budget cuts
to save money. It's getting rid of head START and
PBS and NPR, it's letting the clean water fixes that
they come up with in Jackson and Flint delay intentionally,
and they don't care about the lives that are affected
and impacted, in some cases lost because of these decisions.
(06:39):
So Republicans say they don't want a tyrannical government, and
they don't want weaponization of their agencies, and they preach
fiscal responsibility before the man with the red hat got
in office. Now that he's there, they don't care about
any of these things. Pocket recession is a test balloon,
and if they get away with it, they expand their playbook.
(07:02):
They've already criminalized protest, they've already began to purge the press,
and they're clearly rewriting all of the rules they have
anything to do with governance and politics in this country.
If we let them pocket democracy, one appropriation at a time,
don't be surprised when they start to pocket your rights.
It starts with budgets, but it ends with broken families,
(07:24):
broken schools, in a broken country. If you ever wonder
what the slow motion end of democracy looks like, it's
not always war and violence. Sometimes it's paperwork. Sometimes it's silence.
Sometimes it's one man quietly deciding what the rest of
us can afford to live without. And then they call
(07:45):
it leadership and tell us that they're making America great, Ramses,
Does that sound like freedom or great to you?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Not at all? Not only that, I think that's a bar.
When you said that is their their reap there that
it's economic violence packaged as fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I got economic violence from you, well right up there
with environmental racism. I didn't those terms did not exist
in my head before as doing radio together, that that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Was that was potent. I'll give you that. Well that
you know lends itself fent uh fantastically to our next segment.
Let's have some dialogue about Trump actually fire firing the
UH Bureau of Labor Statistics head after receiving the data
(08:48):
on job growth. So I'll just share it from NBC.
President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the firing of the
head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, hours after a
stunny government reports showed that hiring had slowed down significantly
over the past three months. Talking sorry taking the true
social he attacked Erica mcintarfur, the commissioner of the BLS.
(09:12):
He claimed that the country's job reports quote are being
produced by Biden appointee unquote, and ordered his administration to
terminate her. Quote. We need more accurate jobs numbers, Trump wrote,
I wonder if these mistakes these got to be from
Donald Trump himself. Okay, he goes on to say she
will be replaced with someone much more competent and qualified.
(09:33):
Important numbers like this must be fair and accurate. They
can't be manipulated for political purposes. Okay, we're going to
come back to this one. I want to highlight that
he intensified his attack in a later post, writing quote
in my opinion, today's jobs numbers were rigged in order
to make Republicans and me look bad. Unquote. He didn't
cite any evidence for his claim. The BLS on Friday
(09:55):
morning reported that the US economy added just seventy three
thousand jobs in July, well below stimates. It also said
it had revised the May and June numbers and they
turned out to be lower than previously announced by more
than two hundred thousand jobs. An administration official to NBC
News that macintarfor had indeed been fired. The firings shock
waves through Washington, which has already been rattled by waves
(10:18):
determinations through the nearly seven months of Trump's second administration. Okay,
so I have a big problem with this. This is
what Vladimir Putin does, This is what dictators do, right,
(10:43):
And his framing it as though somehow she is manipulating
the data to make him look bad ignores the reality
of her situation, and it gives his base reason to
believe that she is compromised. But let's look at the reality. Okay.
(11:07):
So the reality of the situation is that she is way, way,
way more vulnerable than he is. Right, and if her
job is to produce accurate data, then you know she
her doing her job in producing accurate data, whether or
(11:30):
not it paints the president in a flattering or unflattering light,
as long as it's accurate based on the job description,
she would do that right in theory, which is why
they went back and revised the months that they got
it wrong. They were off by two hundred thousand dollars
or two hundred thousand jobs according to the article here.
(11:52):
So what a person that's vulnerable because she can be
fired Trump, can't? You know? She nobody? Trump is literally
the president, and he already won his the last campaign
that will have to run legitimately, so there doesn't need
(12:18):
to be any reason to paint him in a bad light.
And it's been well documented that Republican fiscal policy has
overall been more harmful to average citizens than democratic fiscal policy.
And Donald Trump is obviously implemented conservative fiscal policy into
(12:43):
this country's economic infrastructure. Okay, and I'll let's put a
pin in that because I'll get back to that conservative
fiscal policy or Trump's specific brand of conservative fiscal policy.
So she's vulnerable, she has a job to do. She
(13:06):
has no reason to paint this man in an unflattering light.
And indeed, his first several months in office, he's been
going after people who did nothing wrong. Nothing, They were
just black and nearby, or black and a woman or black.
(13:28):
That's it, you know what I mean? And you know
I don't like to always put things in terms like that,
but from where I said, that's how it looks. Are
you standing and clapping you well? Anyway? So it doesn't
make any sense that she would just go on the
(13:50):
offensive now when he's not vulnerable and she is, and
just come up with some numbers to make him look bad.
It doesn't make sense. But a lot of people that
read his posts on his own social media site, they
will never think beyond what his words tell them to think. Right,
(14:13):
But I can look at this and say, well, I mean,
there's no reason to do that, Like, to what end?
Why would she make him look bad? He's going to
be president for the next three and a half years
no matter what she does. Right now, here's the kicker.
This man is the person that came into the office
screaming terriffs. Right now, let's call me a business owner.
(14:36):
I am a business owner. I own a few businesses.
But let's call me a business owner, and I make
widgets and I sell widgets. Right, and Donald Trump announces tariffs?
Will they won't they? Will I reach a trade agreement?
Won't I? You know, how much are the tariffs going
to affect import prices? This? That? And the third? Right?
(14:57):
If this is my material reality where I'm thinking about
tariffs and I'm concerned about how much the cost of
goods sold will be, you know, moving forward, it doesn't
really feel like the time I want to hire people, right,
(15:20):
So for me, I'm not going to hire folks. And
when I look at what she's done where she says, okay,
the economy only added seventy three thousand jobs and we
had to strike two hundred thousand jobs from recent months
because we got that wrong, I can point to tariffs
and say, yeah, that makes sense. So what I've done
(15:41):
is outlined a lot of things that make sense and
a lot of things that don't make sense. Okay, So
you know, I feel like we're definitely devolving here, And
nobody stops to think why would she do this? At
(16:04):
least on his on the Maga in the Maga World magaverse.
And even if people did stop and think, there's nothing
that they could really do about it, because, as we mentioned,
project twenty twenty five is in full effect. Now, I
know I've talked a lot. I wanted to get a
couple of those bars off. Qu the floor is yours
talk to me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I mean, it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
The problem you have RAMS is that you try to
come up with a logic tree and you follow that
logic tree to a logical end that night. And that's
not what they do over there. Many I told you
the discussion I had. Oh, you're talking about facts. Facts
don't matter, data doesn't matter, rhetoric does, and narrative vibe.
(16:49):
It's just vibes over there, bro, They I don't care
nothing about this truth you're talking about over here, This data,
these statistics, they don't care about any of that. And
it's so strange because, like you said, there's nothing anybody
can do. Y'all won, Yeah, y'all won already, nothing's going
to change. But he's so fragile. This data isn't even
(17:15):
specifically about you. But when you're going so hard on
how much you're going to do for everybody and how
much everything is going to improve, when it doesn't, it
reflects negatively upon you specifically. That's why you shouldn't make grand,
absolute promises like I'm going to end all this stuff
and fix all this stuff on day one. That's not
(17:37):
how this has ever worked. So when you make those
promises and they don't work out, and people point it
out just in the data, they're not narrative building. They're
just showing the people the truth of what happened, and
your fragile ego can't handle it, so you fire people
for just doing their jobs and doing their job effectively.
It's pretty gross, but you know, impunity for MAGA, Well,
(18:03):
we're gonna leave it right there.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
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(18:26):
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Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. This is the
QR code where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape outcomes.
The man you're about to hear from is the Q
in the QR code, and he is someone that I
miss every time we finished the show. He goes by
the name of q Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
The man you just heard from is the R in
QR code, and I'm proud of him because sometimes he'd
be on here and line ya all in that time.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
He kept it real and I always keep it real,
And I mean we joke, we could anyway. We want
you to stick around because we're still going to be
talking about how Donald Trump fired one of the heads
of the Bureau of Labor Statistics after receiving some bad
(00:44):
news on job growth. And it feels like a bit
of a temper tantrum, but it's it's also a scary maneuver.
But before we get there, it's time to hear from
the Great q War as he explains perhaps why Trump.
(01:06):
I'm not sure that you could explain why, but I
guess we're asking why is Trump pitching a pocket recession?
And maybe there's some motivation behind that, who knows, But
what say ye, So.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's an interesting thing that you said twice today was
that he got bad news. I don't think that's accurate.
He just got data. Oh yeah, Okay, it's probably not
data that makes him look good.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, that's probably not.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
The data that shows the growth that he promised. But
bad news makes it sound subjective or like it was
intended to be harmful. It's hey, it rained yesterday. That's
not bad news. It rained, That's just what happened. We
lost a lot of jobs, we have negative job growth,
(01:54):
We are not doing well fiscally, the country is in
more debt, things cost more money. Like those things are
just true. So his response to unflattering facts more than
bad news. So now, as we mentioned before, we were
(02:15):
now at the present. Facts get fired, present loyalty get
hired part of the show. And there's a new term
that Rams just taught me today and its pocket recession.
And it sounds like something out of a budget meeting,
and you know, something that could be benign and boring,
(02:36):
but it's actually a very dangerous signal, you know, a
red flag that the authoritarian threat in this country is
not theoretical but very real and organize and coming for
this idea of the power of the people. So normally,
if the president wants to cancel funding that Congress has
(03:00):
already approved, they have to get Congress to agree. Like,
remember when you were in Civics class or social studies
or American history and you learned about the checks and
the balances. Well, under this new president, in this new
way of doing things, the president can just not spend
that money and sit on it and ignore Congress and nothing.
(03:22):
And this isn't like some quirk that Ramsen and I
just made up for the show. This is part of
his dictator blueprint that he's been rolling out in front
of us that no one seems to be that up
in arms about. So they used to say Congress holds
the power of the purse. I say used to because
I don't know that that is a thing anymore. It
(03:44):
used to be what prevented a single person, the president included,
from acting like a king. When you let one person
override a budget, it's not long before you know, essential
social programs like medicaid and food existence and education and
you know, clean water are left to rock because they
(04:05):
don't align with that one person's politics or that one
person's pocketbook. That one person's bank account. A future president
could pick and choose which appropriated programs to fund and
which to kill without ever going to Congress. Someone said
(04:25):
that once upon a time about what we're currently going through.
And this is not an academic debate, right, This is
an idea that's coming from a bipartisan commission. It's coming
from some of Trump's people, the same people behind Project
twenty twenty five, the same people who are already writing
executive orders, purging civil servants, and plotting how to deconstruct
(04:50):
the administrative state. This is about consolidating power and as
we've noticed, silencing dissent and even more sinister. And this
is something Rams and I have been talking about for years,
punishing and criminalizing poor people. Trump aligns all these things
(05:13):
in a very broad scope. This isn't like a small
data set. This is kind of his entire political career.
Loyalty based governance, vengeance against the quote unquote deep state enemies,
the enemy from within. He creates these things that don't exist,
and his base gets into a frenzy about it. He's
(05:34):
interfered with federal agencies like the Department of Justice, the CDC,
and the EPA, and once again, we just watch him
do it and nothing happens. So when you cancel spending
on purpose, people lose housing, kids go hungry, seniors can
afford medication. And this is not a theory. Ramses did
(05:56):
not make this story up and send it to me.
This is what we're seeing play out in real time.
It is economic violence, if you will. And they're packaging
this as fiscal responsibility, hoping that you know, those of
who are the victims of this won't notice as your
(06:16):
future is being stolen, because it's not just budget cuts
to save money. It's getting rid of head START and
PBS and NPR, it's letting the clean water fixes that
they come up with in Jackson and Flint delay intentionally,
and they don't care about the lives that are affected
and impacted, in some cases lost because of these decisions.
(06:39):
So Republicans say they don't want a tyrannical government, and
they don't want weaponization of their agencies, and they preach
fiscal responsibility before the man with the red hat got
in office. Now that he's there, they don't care about
any of these things. Pocket recession is a test balloon,
and if they get away with it, they expand their playbook.
(07:02):
They've already criminalized protest, they've already began to purge the press,
and they're clearly rewriting all of the rules they have
anything to do with governance and politics in this country.
If we let them pocket democracy, one appropriation at a time,
don't be surprised when they start to pocket your rights.
It starts with budgets, but it ends with broken families,
(07:24):
broken schools, in a broken country. If you ever wonder
what the slow motion end of democracy looks like, it's
not always war and violence. Sometimes it's paperwork. Sometimes it's silence.
Sometimes it's one man quietly deciding what the rest of
us can afford to live without. And then they call
(07:45):
it leadership and tell us that they're making America great, Ramses,
Does that sound like freedom or great to you?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Not at all? Not only that, I think that's a bar.
When you said that is their their reap there that
it's economic violence packaged as fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I got economic violence from you, well right up there
with environmental racism. I didn't those terms did not exist
in my head before as doing radio together, that that.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Was that was potent. I'll give you that. Well that
you know lends itself fent uh fantastically to our next segment.
Let's have some dialogue about Trump actually fire firing the
UH Bureau of Labor Statistics head after receiving the data
(08:48):
on job growth. So I'll just share it from NBC.
President Donald Trump on Friday ordered the firing of the
head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, hours after a
stunny government reports showed that hiring had slowed down significantly
over the past three months. Talking sorry taking the true
social he attacked Erica mcintarfur, the commissioner of the BLS.
(09:12):
He claimed that the country's job reports quote are being
produced by Biden appointee unquote, and ordered his administration to
terminate her. Quote. We need more accurate jobs numbers, Trump wrote,
I wonder if these mistakes these got to be from
Donald Trump himself. Okay, he goes on to say she
will be replaced with someone much more competent and qualified.
(09:33):
Important numbers like this must be fair and accurate. They
can't be manipulated for political purposes. Okay, we're going to
come back to this one. I want to highlight that
he intensified his attack in a later post, writing quote
in my opinion, today's jobs numbers were rigged in order
to make Republicans and me look bad. Unquote. He didn't
cite any evidence for his claim. The BLS on Friday
(09:55):
morning reported that the US economy added just seventy three
thousand jobs in July, well below stimates. It also said
it had revised the May and June numbers and they
turned out to be lower than previously announced by more
than two hundred thousand jobs. An administration official to NBC
News that macintarfor had indeed been fired. The firings shock
waves through Washington, which has already been rattled by waves
(10:18):
determinations through the nearly seven months of Trump's second administration. Okay,
so I have a big problem with this. This is
what Vladimir Putin does, This is what dictators do, right,
(10:43):
And his framing it as though somehow she is manipulating
the data to make him look bad ignores the reality
of her situation, and it gives his base reason to
believe that she is compromised. But let's look at the reality. Okay.
(11:07):
So the reality of the situation is that she is way, way,
way more vulnerable than he is. Right, and if her
job is to produce accurate data, then you know she
her doing her job in producing accurate data, whether or
(11:30):
not it paints the president in a flattering or unflattering light,
as long as it's accurate based on the job description,
she would do that right in theory, which is why
they went back and revised the months that they got
it wrong. They were off by two hundred thousand dollars
or two hundred thousand jobs according to the article here.
(11:52):
So what a person that's vulnerable because she can be
fired Trump, can't? You know? She nobody? Trump is literally
the president, and he already won his the last campaign
that will have to run legitimately, so there doesn't need
(12:18):
to be any reason to paint him in a bad light.
And it's been well documented that Republican fiscal policy has
overall been more harmful to average citizens than democratic fiscal policy.
And Donald Trump is obviously implemented conservative fiscal policy into
(12:43):
this country's economic infrastructure. Okay, and I'll let's put a
pin in that because I'll get back to that conservative
fiscal policy or Trump's specific brand of conservative fiscal policy.
So she's vulnerable, she has a job to do. She
(13:06):
has no reason to paint this man in an unflattering light.
And indeed, his first several months in office, he's been
going after people who did nothing wrong. Nothing, They were
just black and nearby, or black and a woman or black.
(13:28):
That's it, you know what I mean? And you know
I don't like to always put things in terms like that,
but from where I said, that's how it looks. Are
you standing and clapping you well? Anyway? So it doesn't
make any sense that she would just go on the
(13:50):
offensive now when he's not vulnerable and she is, and
just come up with some numbers to make him look bad.
It doesn't make sense. But a lot of people that
read his posts on his own social media site, they
will never think beyond what his words tell them to think. Right,
(14:13):
But I can look at this and say, well, I mean,
there's no reason to do that, Like, to what end?
Why would she make him look bad? He's going to
be president for the next three and a half years
no matter what she does. Right now, here's the kicker.
This man is the person that came into the office
screaming terriffs. Right now, let's call me a business owner.
(14:36):
I am a business owner. I own a few businesses.
But let's call me a business owner, and I make
widgets and I sell widgets. Right, and Donald Trump announces tariffs?
Will they won't they? Will I reach a trade agreement?
Won't I? You know, how much are the tariffs going
to affect import prices? This? That? And the third? Right?
(14:57):
If this is my material reality where I'm thinking about
tariffs and I'm concerned about how much the cost of
goods sold will be, you know, moving forward, it doesn't
really feel like the time I want to hire people, right,
(15:20):
So for me, I'm not going to hire folks. And
when I look at what she's done where she says, okay,
the economy only added seventy three thousand jobs and we
had to strike two hundred thousand jobs from recent months
because we got that wrong, I can point to tariffs
and say, yeah, that makes sense. So what I've done
(15:41):
is outlined a lot of things that make sense and
a lot of things that don't make sense. Okay, So
you know, I feel like we're definitely devolving here, And
nobody stops to think why would she do this? At
(16:04):
least on his on the Maga in the Maga World magaverse.
And even if people did stop and think, there's nothing
that they could really do about it, because, as we mentioned,
project twenty twenty five is in full effect. Now, I
know I've talked a lot. I wanted to get a
couple of those bars off. Qu the floor is yours
talk to me?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
I mean, it's exactly what you said.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
The problem you have RAMS is that you try to
come up with a logic tree and you follow that
logic tree to a logical end that night. And that's
not what they do over there. Many I told you
the discussion I had. Oh, you're talking about facts. Facts
don't matter, data doesn't matter, rhetoric does, and narrative vibe.
(16:49):
It's just vibes over there, bro, They I don't care
nothing about this truth you're talking about over here, This data,
these statistics, they don't care about any of that. And
it's so strange because, like you said, there's nothing anybody
can do. Y'all won, Yeah, y'all won already, nothing's going
to change. But he's so fragile. This data isn't even
(17:15):
specifically about you. But when you're going so hard on
how much you're going to do for everybody and how
much everything is going to improve, when it doesn't, it
reflects negatively upon you specifically. That's why you shouldn't make grand,
absolute promises like I'm going to end all this stuff
and fix all this stuff on day one. That's not
(17:37):
how this has ever worked. So when you make those
promises and they don't work out, and people point it
out just in the data, they're not narrative building. They're
just showing the people the truth of what happened, and
your fragile ego can't handle it, so you fire people
for just doing their jobs and doing their job effectively.
It's pretty gross, but you know, impunity for MAGA, Well,
(18:03):
we're gonna leave it right there.
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