July 14, 2025 • 28 mins
On part 2 of today's podcast , Host Ramses Ja and Q Ward discuss a shift in MAGA support for President Trump over the Epstein files.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher Studios. This is the
QR code where we share perspective, seek understanding, and shape.
Outcomes the man on the microphone, my partner in crime,
the person with the golden voice. He goes by the
name of you Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My least favorite part about our intro and reset is
this man trying to convince you all that the golden
voice belongs to me when even my mom told him
who had the best voice on this show. That's Ramsay's jaw.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He is your host. I just work here. We need
you to stick around because we've got a lot more
show left for you. We are going to be talking
about how it seems like Maga has kind of flipped
on Donald Trump. Don go tech stem files a little bit,
a little bit, a little I mean, they're they're, they're
they're going to be They're in it for the long haul.
But anyway, they're mad, they're they're so they're so perved
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right now, how about that. We're also going to be
talking about a recent show that I started watching where
there's a black woman in a prominent role, and uh,
I'm really excited to talk about that too, So stay tuned.
But before we get there, let's hear from Indeed, the
man with the golden voice, the platinum voice, how about that,
we'll call it the platinum voice. He goes by the
name with you, Ward, And he told me, you know what,
(01:12):
it was all fine until it was you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Ras. You got to stop lying to these people. They
cheered right and marched and put on hats and wave
flag and hung signs. When the cruelty was aimed at
everybody else, they dismissed the damage to public trust into
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our country because it didn't hurt them. But now, however,
suddenly they want sympathy. It's funny how that works. We
had a really strange crossroad in our country right now
where I see people still probably wearing Maga hats. Was
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shocked and angry and feeling betrayed because the same policies
that they voted for, cheered for, wrote songs about, are
hitting them now, their livelihood, their communities, their families. It
was all fine when it was an immigrant being ripped
away from their family, when it was kids who were
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trans who were losing healthcare, when it was books being
pulled from people's schools, or you know, black and brown
voters being purged from the rolls. But now they're crying foul.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ramses.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We told them, warned, We played, we marched, we knocked doors,
We did all that we could, and we told people
exactly what Project twenty twenty five was, who planned to
implement it. We knew that mass firings of public servants,
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criminalizing descent, rolling back rights for women, immigrants, and people
in the LGBTQ plus community. We said it would not
stop with them, that it would hurt all of us,
but they didn't care because they thought they would be safe.
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They thought they would always be on the winning side.
Because of course America is not homogeneous. We are two
separate teams fighting against each other. And then we see
what just happened in Texas. A sheriff, an America First
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MAGA sheriff found his own family victim to an unexpected,
deadly totally predictable had we not defunded services that predict
such things flash flood and when these things happened, he
didn't have Ice to call to help him. He couldn't
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just say America First and have his family be okay.
But ironically, Mexican rescuers came to this man's aid, men
who are not citizens of this country. And when they
saved his family, he publicly declared that they deserved green cars.
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Rams think about that. I don't want to come here.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The same people you vilified once you need them, Yeah,
and then it's all good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The same people that you can't build that wall against
to keep them out of here were the very people
that you had to rely on and your time of need.
And that's the story that they don't want to talk about.
They won't bring that back up because it reveals exactly
who they are. Yeah, and now there's division in the
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ranks over something else that we'll talk about, these mysterious
files that have gone missing. The same crowd that screens
protect the kids quiet when the names and those files
are people who they support. Suddenly you see this selective
moral outrage because the president was who he was before
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he got here, before he won the first time, and
even more so and more out loud before he won
the second time. But I think people are starting to
realize that those slogans were never about law or justice.
It was always about racism and control. And there seems
to be a crack in the facade because it shows
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that the lie was always there. It's hard to feel
sorry for some of these people.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Rams.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's hard to watch the people who cheered for this
cruelty loud cry now because that cruelty has knocked on
their front door. But if they're finally waking up, even
if it's for selfish reasons, you taught me that we
have to kind of create space for that. Yeah, because
real change means making room for people that finally admit
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they're wrong, no matter the reason, even if it took
something personal. It feels super unfair, especially for me because
this was always personal for me, even if it didn't
affect my home. But unfortunately that's how people learn. You
don't get out solution without accountability. And if you're ready
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to own what you ignore, then I guess we can
make space. And I want to read something that you
shared with me that hit home. First, they came for communists,
and I did not speak out because I was not
a communist. Then they came for socialist and I did
not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then
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they came for trade unionist and I did not speak
out because I didn't belong to a union. Then they
came for Jews and I didn't speak out because I
was not a Jew, and then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out, or
there was no one left. I'm sorry to speak out
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for me. And that's from Martin ny Mohler. I was
ridden in nineteen forty eight. It's crazy how potent that
is now. Yeah, so you know, you don't get to
act like you weren't warned, and you don't get to
rewrite the past. But if you're ready to own what
you ignored, if you're ready to stand with people that
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you once dismissed, My brother has taught me that there
is room for you, and it might not be because
you deserve it, but because all of us deserve better
than what our country has very very quickly become.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know, I love listening to you break down your thoughts.
It just I find so much inspiration and that I
hope our listeners do too. I want to share something
real quick because obviously now we're talking about the rapping dialogue,
about the Epstein stuff. But you know what's funny, Q
is I have a call her a friend and she's
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I told you about her before, but she's a triple Trumper, right,
voted for Trump all three times, right, And she just
doesn't she doesn't feel like that would be her reality. Right,
But how did how did that happen? How did you
end up? She's like, I grew up conservative. That just
was what it was. And I had to remind her.
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I was like, so this is the same guy that
did this and said this, and then this happened and this,
and and I was and you voted all this right.
She's like, yeah, well, and she started doing the mental
gymnastics that we know that they do that they try
to excuse it all away. Oh, they're grabbing them by
the P word. Oh do you know guys just talk
like that all that sort of stuff, right? Do presidents
talk like that? Is that what you want your president
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to talk like? You know? And so we've had a
series of conversations and we've shared content with each other,
mostly data driven, factual content. And I'm so accustomed to
maga folks being so deep in the deep end, maybe
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kind that I don't have any expectation that anything will
change their mind. That it's just kind of a thing
that watching them frecancy, their brain frecancy is just at
least it gives me the satisfaction of knowing that they
have to wrestle with the reality they're creating versus the
reality that we all share as humanity. Right, But you
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wouldn't believe me if I told you. But She's like, listen,
I'm at this point in my life coming to terms
with the fact that I've been wrong for years, that
my family's been wrong for years. We've been sold a
lie and it's been repeated over and over again to
where we thought it was true. And you're right. Even
when I had additional information, I would excuse it and
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I would not do that anywhere else in my life.
And I was like, yes, how about that. That's crazy
and it blew my mind. But we're talking about MAGA
supporters right now. So we'll get into this article about
this Epstein stuff, all right, this from Fox News Fox News. Yes,
we're gonna share, all right. MAGA supporters are not pleased
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with President Donald Trump, following his full throated defensive Attorney
General Pam Bondi, whose Department of Justice denied the existence
of a Jeffrey Epstein client list after years of Trump
surrogate's vowing to reveal the disgraced financier secrets. Longtime conservatives
and supporters of Trump sounded off on social media this weekend,
as well as in person during a convention in Florida,
with various messages pledging that the Epstein scandal will not
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go away. The DOJ determined that Epstein committed suicide in
twenty nineteen, and that there was no list detailing the
names of the world's elite who allegedly took part in
Epstein's history of sexual deviancy. The DOJ and FBI said
in a joint memo obtained by Fox News last week
that the two agencies had no further information to share
with the public about Epstein's case and death. That led
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to FBI Defbuty director Dan Bongino, I don't know this guy,
clashing with Bondi over the lack of transparency and threatening
to resign over the matter. Fox News reported. Epstein was
a notorious predator who pleaded guilty to procuring underage girls
for prostitution in two thousand and eight before he was
arrested in twenty nineteen on new federal charges of sex
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trafficking miners and conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of miners. Epstein,
who had rubbed elbows with the world's elites, stretching from
Bill Gates to being photographed with Trump long before his presidency,
was found dead in his New York City jail in
August twenty nineteen by apparent suside. Many MAGA supporters, however,
have claimed Epstein did not hang himself and the death
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was allegedly part of a bigger recover up protecting elites
allegedly involved in his sexual abuse of minors. Amid the
fallout surrounding the DJ's Epstein findings, Turning Point USA is
holding its Student Action summit in Tampa Bay, Florida, where
some conservative allies spoke out against the DJ and Trump
over the lack of answers regarding Epstein. That was Fox,
you know, and apart from that, you know, long before
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his presidency thing, because that's when the crimes took place,
trying to like wash it away. That's pretty factual. And
that's crazy because Fox admitted in court that they are
not a news agency, that they're an entertainment agency. You
reminded me of that earlier today. So so yeah, your
thoughts here, because I know that you've kind of been
watching this a little bit more closer than I have.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't even know if it admitted is the right word.
They said under oath that they were an entertainment agency
when they were trying to avoid playing paying almost a
billion dollars for knowingly lying about the twenty twenty election, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A better way to say it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And they lost and had to pay out eight hundred
million dollars for blatantly lying. And what they do get
right back to lying, that's crazy, which means their industry
is booming. When you can tell a billion dollar lion
just keep lying, you know that there's a lot of
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money to be made, especially on that side of the aisle,
for pandering to a base that refuses to give up
on you. So that's why RAMS says they flipped on them.
Let's pump our brakes because we know better. This is
the flavor of the week. This is what they're up
and arms about now. I'm curious to see how long
this will last because I think the idea that enrages
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them so much and they want us to play the
same game is that the partisans identity politics have gotten
so strong that the only reason they want this list
made public is they think they're going to continue to
own the Libs with it because the same people in
power now were in power when Epstein got arrested and
quote unquote killed himself, created and cooked up this story
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where this whole list was going to own the Libs.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Biden and all these.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Democrats were going to be on that list and that
was going to be their undoing. And this seems to
be the lie that grew the strongest roots, where there's
members of his base that are really upset because they
were they were ready to celebrate owning the Libs finally
by putting this list out. Donald Trump Junior called for
this list to be put out years ago so that his.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Enemies.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's a really weird way to say it, but that's
how they view the other side of the aisle as enemies,
not just people with different political views, but as enemies.
And when they thought that this would undo their enemies,
they called for this list to be public often and loudly.
And the reason why someone in particular right now is
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asking us, hey, why do we keep talking about this guy? Well,
maybe because there's one hundred photos of you and him
together and videos of you guys like picking out young
girls to spend the night with. Maybe that's why. And
it's interesting to watch the bass kind of get upset
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at their leader and him squirmishly trying to redirect the
attention to anything, like you mentioned earlier, taking away the
citizenship of a citizen that doesn't agree with him, and
his base is so lost in the idea that by
supporting him, I'm in this force field that they don't
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even get scared when he says stuff when he says
stuff like that, like don't you realize that that means
you two, That means that you have to agree with
every disgusting decision he makes forever, or you two could
find yourself on the other side of having your citizenship
revoked because he alone feels like it. It's illegal, it's unconstitutional.
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But here we are again in a position where it
doesn't matter what laws he breaks, if all of the
levers that are supposed to be in place for checks
and balances and for the enforcement of these laws are
also his supporters, his people. So this is an interesting thing, man,
because we're not wondering whether or not the things that
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we think are true are true. We've seen the evidence already.
We know that he's taken at least seven trips on
Epstein's private plane to Epstein's private island. We know that
they've partied together more than a dozen times. We know
that at these parties they are hand in hand next
to each other the whole time. And we know that
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now that they're saying these files don't exist, in that
there's no list, that there was a man that was convicted,
there was a woman that was convicted, and there was
hundreds of millions of dollars paid out to victims that
they are now telling us don't exist. And a lot
of people are just like, well, nothing to see here.
And that's the most uncomfortable and disgusting part of it all.
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Pedophilia is bad unless it might impact our guy, then
you know it's not that bad.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Why is it even a big deal? Why are we
even still talking about this? It's a really ridiculous position
to take. And one of our favorite people, and I
hope you guys can hear my sarcasm, Stephen A. Smith
on his massive platform recently asking people the same question, man,
what's the big deal? It's a really really disgusting, strange
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island to put yourself on, stephen A. But you continue
to do things like this, so I'm no longer surprised
by it. Well, we're going to end on a bit
of a high, or at least I'm gonna try to. Okay,
I'll admit I didn't do the best job kind of
teasing this segment, but I don't really know how to.
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But I'm gonna admit something that I may have shared
on the radio before, but I don't know that I
ever actually did.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But I'm a bit of a Trekky. I'm a fan
of Star Trek. Q is famously a nerd. He grew
up a nerd, and you know what I mean, Like
he owns it. And I'll admit that, you know, this
is like one of the nerdiest things about me too,
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you know what I mean. And I'm not like a
lightweight Trekky. I'm probably like a like a mid grade,
like the middle of the road tricky, you know what
I mean, not super hard. I don't know every thing,
but it's just my show. I love Star trek They
like imagine a better world where everybody is regarded equally,
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everyone has dignity, you know. I just it just it
works for me, and so I've been into it since
I was a kid. My dad was into it, and
there's a new show that came out. It came out
some years ago, of course, But like I said, I'm like,
I'm not like a lightweight Tricky, but I'm not like
a heavyweight Tracky either. I'm somewhere in the middle. So
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I didn't get to this show right when it dropped.
I just got to it recently. It's called Strange New Worlds. Okay,
I know, but but bear with me. Okay, I know
this is a little nerdy, but nerd out with me
if you will Strange New Worlds. I watched the first episode.
I'm like, oh my god, I love it. And it's
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a reimagining of or it's it's a it's a it's
a prequel to the original Star Trek with Captain Kirk
and mister Spock right from the sixty Okay, so it's
a prequel to that show. So this one has a
different captain, Captain Pike blah blah blah, but he has
more or less the same crew that Captain Kirk ultimately
ends up inheriting for the original series. So Captain Pike
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and for those that do remember Star Trek, even if
you don't know anything, about the show. You might remember
there is a black woman on the show Star Trek
and her name is Lieutenant Uhura, right, and she's played
by Michelle Nichols. This was back in the sixties, and
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you know, this is some rinky dink sci fi show,
you know whatever. She was having a tough time in
her life as she was like filming the show, and
famously there's a famous story that she ended up talking
to doctor Martin Luther King at that time and doctor
King says, hey, you know what, don't quit that show.
Stay on that show, because little black kids get to
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see you in the future. Little black kids get to
see you, and black people get to see you in
this role, and that matters. You're doing more than just
working a job. You're helping plant the seeds of tomorrow.
This is effectively what doctor King communicates to her. So
on Michelle Nichols, she you know, strengthens herself, gathers herself up,
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and soldiers on and continues to play that role. Strange
New Worlds, the prequel to that show, has this character
in it, and throughout all of Star Trek history, whenever
there is a version of Lieutenant Uhura, she is played
by a black woman. Right this version, this most recent
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version that I've been watching, it's starring a woman named
Celia Rose Gooding. Okay, and again, this character has been
black the whole time, so it's hard to imagine her
any other way. But the impact of that role way
back when has been paying dividends. And I'm going to
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make this live. I'm going to tell one more quick story.
Whoopy Goldberg for younger listeners and viewers. She's on the
view and you know people that know Woopy Goldberg, She's
an egott actress, you know what I mean, one of
the finest actresses of all time, of all time period.
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And she played a character Guynan on the show Star
Trek the Next Generation. This was with Captain Picard and
the enterprise. It sped off into like a blinking star
shape sort of thing. That was in the late eighties
early nineties. So the Goldberg was such a fan of
Star Trek the original series because she saw Lieutenant Huru
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played by Michelle Nichols. So Whoopy Goeber's a little girl,
She's seeing this black woman play this character in the sixties,
and then when the Next Generation comes out, Whoopy's at
the kind of the peak of her stardom, she asks
Gene Roddenberry, the show's producer and whatever and creator, I
need to be on that show. Can you write apart
from me? And they wrote apart for Whoopy Goldberg, another
black woman who steps in and is a figure, a
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character based in the future. Okay, now, I'm telling you
all this because I want to make this point here.
I believe that time has proved that this was necessary
in order to change the world the sixties. The seeds
that were planted in the sixties in the late sixties
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changed the world to where now seeing a black woman
and functioning in a main capacity is super normal. We
see it all the time now, But in the sixties,
this was crazy, This was radical. Will Pie Goldberg herself
said that when she first saw Nachelle Nichols on the show,
she says, look, mom, there's a black woman on TV.
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And she ain't cleaning up for nobody. She's not sweeping
the house, she's not washing clothes, She not the maid.
She's like a boss on this spaceship in the future.
How about that? Right? So here we are sixty years
later and I see this show. It made me emotional.
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There's a black woman playing Lieutenant Hura on the show, right,
and we all look at that, all of us trek ease,
and we see that and it's normal. We couldn't imagine
it any other way. And I think that this is telling.
We mentioned earlier in today's show that at time sometimes
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you need time for things to flesh all the way out.
You need time to see what the data results in.
You need time. Like there's certain ideas, certain certain movements,
they need time in their time in the sun, so
you can make heads or tails of it. And Geene
Roddenberry put a black woman on the bridge of his
ship in the late sixties, and now sixty years later,
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there are black women in positions of power all over
the place. There's plenty of examples, at least in entertainment
where little girls can see themselves and they don't have
to be the maid, they don't have to be the cook.
And we take this for granted. That's the thing. We
take it for granted. I take it for granted. And
I had this moment that I should not take this
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for granted, because this woman, this actress Celia Rose Gooding,
she is, as our former show producer Tanita would say,
she is blacketty Black Black Black, okay, and the other
characters they're black. They're from Africa, you know, and they
talk about their homeland. They talk about the richness and
the wisdom and so forth, and all of this stuff
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makes its way into this magnificent show and it is
black and it is okay. And they didn't have to
change anything about who they were born to be. They
didn't have to change their culture, they had to change anything.
And they got to be there, and they got to
be in the future, and they got to contribute. Of course,
there's a white man piloting the starship, and that's okay.
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I know, I get it. And of course there's you know,
white folks in the future. That's okay. That's how it's
supposed to be. Sure. Sure, But for those people that
said black lives matter, for those people that were out protesting,
for those people that out that were out trying to
protect black life, because there was something special about it
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that it belonged here too, in the great tapestry of humanity.
It belonged here to those people. I say, do yourself
a favor. Check out Lieutenant Uhura on Star Trek. Any start,
it doesn't matter and see a black woman there and
imagine what the world had been like if that seed
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hadn't been planted sixty years ago. Now, imagine what fruit
the seed you plant today with DEI holding your dic.
Imagine what seed, what fruit, your seed that you plant
today would bear in sixty years If you showed up
to a protest, if you spoke out against injustice, if
you filmed a police interaction, if you took your vote
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and accounted for somebody else, imagine what fruit that seed
would bear. Please imagine that because we your brothers and
your sisters, in this great tapestry of life, we all
need each other and we're going to be here for
you want you to be here for us with Well
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Outcomes the man on the microphone, my partner in crime,
the person with the golden voice. He goes by the
name of you Ward.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
My least favorite part about our intro and reset is
this man trying to convince you all that the golden
voice belongs to me when even my mom told him
who had the best voice on this show. That's Ramsay's jaw.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
He is your host. I just work here. We need
you to stick around because we've got a lot more
show left for you. We are going to be talking
about how it seems like Maga has kind of flipped
on Donald Trump. Don go tech stem files a little bit,
a little bit, a little I mean, they're they're, they're
they're going to be They're in it for the long haul.
But anyway, they're mad, they're they're so they're so perved
(00:49):
right now, how about that. We're also going to be
talking about a recent show that I started watching where
there's a black woman in a prominent role, and uh,
I'm really excited to talk about that too, So stay tuned.
But before we get there, let's hear from Indeed, the
man with the golden voice, the platinum voice, how about that,
we'll call it the platinum voice. He goes by the
name with you, Ward, And he told me, you know what,
(01:12):
it was all fine until it was you.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Ras. You got to stop lying to these people. They
cheered right and marched and put on hats and wave
flag and hung signs. When the cruelty was aimed at
everybody else, they dismissed the damage to public trust into
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our country because it didn't hurt them. But now, however,
suddenly they want sympathy. It's funny how that works. We
had a really strange crossroad in our country right now
where I see people still probably wearing Maga hats. Was
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shocked and angry and feeling betrayed because the same policies
that they voted for, cheered for, wrote songs about, are
hitting them now, their livelihood, their communities, their families. It
was all fine when it was an immigrant being ripped
away from their family, when it was kids who were
(02:23):
trans who were losing healthcare, when it was books being
pulled from people's schools, or you know, black and brown
voters being purged from the rolls. But now they're crying foul.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Ramses.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We told them, warned, We played, we marched, we knocked doors,
We did all that we could, and we told people
exactly what Project twenty twenty five was, who planned to
implement it. We knew that mass firings of public servants,
(03:03):
criminalizing descent, rolling back rights for women, immigrants, and people
in the LGBTQ plus community. We said it would not
stop with them, that it would hurt all of us,
but they didn't care because they thought they would be safe.
(03:25):
They thought they would always be on the winning side.
Because of course America is not homogeneous. We are two
separate teams fighting against each other. And then we see
what just happened in Texas. A sheriff, an America First
(03:45):
MAGA sheriff found his own family victim to an unexpected,
deadly totally predictable had we not defunded services that predict
such things flash flood and when these things happened, he
didn't have Ice to call to help him. He couldn't
(04:07):
just say America First and have his family be okay.
But ironically, Mexican rescuers came to this man's aid, men
who are not citizens of this country. And when they
saved his family, he publicly declared that they deserved green cars.
(04:29):
Rams think about that. I don't want to come here.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
The same people you vilified once you need them, Yeah,
and then it's all good. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
The same people that you can't build that wall against
to keep them out of here were the very people
that you had to rely on and your time of need.
And that's the story that they don't want to talk about.
They won't bring that back up because it reveals exactly
who they are. Yeah, and now there's division in the
(05:01):
ranks over something else that we'll talk about, these mysterious
files that have gone missing. The same crowd that screens
protect the kids quiet when the names and those files
are people who they support. Suddenly you see this selective
moral outrage because the president was who he was before
(05:24):
he got here, before he won the first time, and
even more so and more out loud before he won
the second time. But I think people are starting to
realize that those slogans were never about law or justice.
It was always about racism and control. And there seems
to be a crack in the facade because it shows
(05:47):
that the lie was always there. It's hard to feel
sorry for some of these people.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Rams.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
It's hard to watch the people who cheered for this
cruelty loud cry now because that cruelty has knocked on
their front door. But if they're finally waking up, even
if it's for selfish reasons, you taught me that we
have to kind of create space for that. Yeah, because
real change means making room for people that finally admit
(06:16):
they're wrong, no matter the reason, even if it took
something personal. It feels super unfair, especially for me because
this was always personal for me, even if it didn't
affect my home. But unfortunately that's how people learn. You
don't get out solution without accountability. And if you're ready
(06:37):
to own what you ignore, then I guess we can
make space. And I want to read something that you
shared with me that hit home. First, they came for communists,
and I did not speak out because I was not
a communist. Then they came for socialist and I did
not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then
(06:58):
they came for trade unionist and I did not speak
out because I didn't belong to a union. Then they
came for Jews and I didn't speak out because I
was not a Jew, and then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out, or
there was no one left. I'm sorry to speak out
(07:19):
for me. And that's from Martin ny Mohler. I was
ridden in nineteen forty eight. It's crazy how potent that
is now. Yeah, so you know, you don't get to
act like you weren't warned, and you don't get to
rewrite the past. But if you're ready to own what
you ignored, if you're ready to stand with people that
(07:41):
you once dismissed, My brother has taught me that there
is room for you, and it might not be because
you deserve it, but because all of us deserve better
than what our country has very very quickly become.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know, I love listening to you break down your thoughts.
It just I find so much inspiration and that I
hope our listeners do too. I want to share something
real quick because obviously now we're talking about the rapping dialogue,
about the Epstein stuff. But you know what's funny, Q
is I have a call her a friend and she's
(08:25):
I told you about her before, but she's a triple Trumper, right,
voted for Trump all three times, right, And she just
doesn't she doesn't feel like that would be her reality. Right,
But how did how did that happen? How did you
end up? She's like, I grew up conservative. That just
was what it was. And I had to remind her.
(08:45):
I was like, so this is the same guy that
did this and said this, and then this happened and this,
and and I was and you voted all this right.
She's like, yeah, well, and she started doing the mental
gymnastics that we know that they do that they try
to excuse it all away. Oh, they're grabbing them by
the P word. Oh do you know guys just talk
like that all that sort of stuff, right? Do presidents
talk like that? Is that what you want your president
(09:07):
to talk like? You know? And so we've had a
series of conversations and we've shared content with each other,
mostly data driven, factual content. And I'm so accustomed to
maga folks being so deep in the deep end, maybe
(09:30):
kind that I don't have any expectation that anything will
change their mind. That it's just kind of a thing
that watching them frecancy, their brain frecancy is just at
least it gives me the satisfaction of knowing that they
have to wrestle with the reality they're creating versus the
reality that we all share as humanity. Right, But you
(09:52):
wouldn't believe me if I told you. But She's like, listen,
I'm at this point in my life coming to terms
with the fact that I've been wrong for years, that
my family's been wrong for years. We've been sold a
lie and it's been repeated over and over again to
where we thought it was true. And you're right. Even
when I had additional information, I would excuse it and
(10:15):
I would not do that anywhere else in my life.
And I was like, yes, how about that. That's crazy
and it blew my mind. But we're talking about MAGA
supporters right now. So we'll get into this article about
this Epstein stuff, all right, this from Fox News Fox News. Yes,
we're gonna share, all right. MAGA supporters are not pleased
(10:36):
with President Donald Trump, following his full throated defensive Attorney
General Pam Bondi, whose Department of Justice denied the existence
of a Jeffrey Epstein client list after years of Trump
surrogate's vowing to reveal the disgraced financier secrets. Longtime conservatives
and supporters of Trump sounded off on social media this weekend,
as well as in person during a convention in Florida,
with various messages pledging that the Epstein scandal will not
(11:00):
go away. The DOJ determined that Epstein committed suicide in
twenty nineteen, and that there was no list detailing the
names of the world's elite who allegedly took part in
Epstein's history of sexual deviancy. The DOJ and FBI said
in a joint memo obtained by Fox News last week
that the two agencies had no further information to share
with the public about Epstein's case and death. That led
(11:21):
to FBI Defbuty director Dan Bongino, I don't know this guy,
clashing with Bondi over the lack of transparency and threatening
to resign over the matter. Fox News reported. Epstein was
a notorious predator who pleaded guilty to procuring underage girls
for prostitution in two thousand and eight before he was
arrested in twenty nineteen on new federal charges of sex
(11:43):
trafficking miners and conspiracy to engage in sex trafficking of miners. Epstein,
who had rubbed elbows with the world's elites, stretching from
Bill Gates to being photographed with Trump long before his presidency,
was found dead in his New York City jail in
August twenty nineteen by apparent suside. Many MAGA supporters, however,
have claimed Epstein did not hang himself and the death
(12:04):
was allegedly part of a bigger recover up protecting elites
allegedly involved in his sexual abuse of minors. Amid the
fallout surrounding the DJ's Epstein findings, Turning Point USA is
holding its Student Action summit in Tampa Bay, Florida, where
some conservative allies spoke out against the DJ and Trump
over the lack of answers regarding Epstein. That was Fox,
you know, and apart from that, you know, long before
(12:25):
his presidency thing, because that's when the crimes took place,
trying to like wash it away. That's pretty factual. And
that's crazy because Fox admitted in court that they are
not a news agency, that they're an entertainment agency. You
reminded me of that earlier today. So so yeah, your
thoughts here, because I know that you've kind of been
watching this a little bit more closer than I have.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I don't even know if it admitted is the right word.
They said under oath that they were an entertainment agency
when they were trying to avoid playing paying almost a
billion dollars for knowingly lying about the twenty twenty election, that's.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
A better way to say it.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And they lost and had to pay out eight hundred
million dollars for blatantly lying. And what they do get
right back to lying, that's crazy, which means their industry
is booming. When you can tell a billion dollar lion
just keep lying, you know that there's a lot of
(13:25):
money to be made, especially on that side of the aisle,
for pandering to a base that refuses to give up
on you. So that's why RAMS says they flipped on them.
Let's pump our brakes because we know better. This is
the flavor of the week. This is what they're up
and arms about now. I'm curious to see how long
this will last because I think the idea that enrages
(13:48):
them so much and they want us to play the
same game is that the partisans identity politics have gotten
so strong that the only reason they want this list
made public is they think they're going to continue to
own the Libs with it because the same people in
power now were in power when Epstein got arrested and
quote unquote killed himself, created and cooked up this story
(14:12):
where this whole list was going to own the Libs.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Biden and all these.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Democrats were going to be on that list and that
was going to be their undoing. And this seems to
be the lie that grew the strongest roots, where there's
members of his base that are really upset because they
were they were ready to celebrate owning the Libs finally
by putting this list out. Donald Trump Junior called for
this list to be put out years ago so that his.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Enemies.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
It's a really weird way to say it, but that's
how they view the other side of the aisle as enemies,
not just people with different political views, but as enemies.
And when they thought that this would undo their enemies,
they called for this list to be public often and loudly.
And the reason why someone in particular right now is
(15:04):
asking us, hey, why do we keep talking about this guy? Well,
maybe because there's one hundred photos of you and him
together and videos of you guys like picking out young
girls to spend the night with. Maybe that's why. And
it's interesting to watch the bass kind of get upset
(15:24):
at their leader and him squirmishly trying to redirect the
attention to anything, like you mentioned earlier, taking away the
citizenship of a citizen that doesn't agree with him, and
his base is so lost in the idea that by
supporting him, I'm in this force field that they don't
(15:49):
even get scared when he says stuff when he says
stuff like that, like don't you realize that that means
you two, That means that you have to agree with
every disgusting decision he makes forever, or you two could
find yourself on the other side of having your citizenship
revoked because he alone feels like it. It's illegal, it's unconstitutional.
(16:12):
But here we are again in a position where it
doesn't matter what laws he breaks, if all of the
levers that are supposed to be in place for checks
and balances and for the enforcement of these laws are
also his supporters, his people. So this is an interesting thing, man,
because we're not wondering whether or not the things that
(16:33):
we think are true are true. We've seen the evidence already.
We know that he's taken at least seven trips on
Epstein's private plane to Epstein's private island. We know that
they've partied together more than a dozen times. We know
that at these parties they are hand in hand next
to each other the whole time. And we know that
(16:54):
now that they're saying these files don't exist, in that
there's no list, that there was a man that was convicted,
there was a woman that was convicted, and there was
hundreds of millions of dollars paid out to victims that
they are now telling us don't exist. And a lot
of people are just like, well, nothing to see here.
And that's the most uncomfortable and disgusting part of it all.
(17:16):
Pedophilia is bad unless it might impact our guy, then
you know it's not that bad.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Isn't that weird?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Why is it even a big deal? Why are we
even still talking about this? It's a really ridiculous position
to take. And one of our favorite people, and I
hope you guys can hear my sarcasm, Stephen A. Smith
on his massive platform recently asking people the same question, man,
what's the big deal? It's a really really disgusting, strange
(17:49):
island to put yourself on, stephen A. But you continue
to do things like this, so I'm no longer surprised
by it. Well, we're going to end on a bit
of a high, or at least I'm gonna try to. Okay,
I'll admit I didn't do the best job kind of
teasing this segment, but I don't really know how to.
(18:17):
But I'm gonna admit something that I may have shared
on the radio before, but I don't know that I
ever actually did.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
But I'm a bit of a Trekky. I'm a fan
of Star Trek. Q is famously a nerd. He grew
up a nerd, and you know what I mean, Like
he owns it. And I'll admit that, you know, this
is like one of the nerdiest things about me too,
(18:47):
you know what I mean. And I'm not like a
lightweight Trekky. I'm probably like a like a mid grade,
like the middle of the road tricky, you know what
I mean, not super hard. I don't know every thing,
but it's just my show. I love Star trek They
like imagine a better world where everybody is regarded equally,
(19:10):
everyone has dignity, you know. I just it just it
works for me, and so I've been into it since
I was a kid. My dad was into it, and
there's a new show that came out. It came out
some years ago, of course, But like I said, I'm like,
I'm not like a lightweight Tricky, but I'm not like
a heavyweight Tracky either. I'm somewhere in the middle. So
(19:30):
I didn't get to this show right when it dropped.
I just got to it recently. It's called Strange New Worlds. Okay,
I know, but but bear with me. Okay, I know
this is a little nerdy, but nerd out with me
if you will Strange New Worlds. I watched the first episode.
I'm like, oh my god, I love it. And it's
(19:52):
a reimagining of or it's it's a it's a it's
a prequel to the original Star Trek with Captain Kirk
and mister Spock right from the sixty Okay, so it's
a prequel to that show. So this one has a
different captain, Captain Pike blah blah blah, but he has
more or less the same crew that Captain Kirk ultimately
ends up inheriting for the original series. So Captain Pike
(20:15):
and for those that do remember Star Trek, even if
you don't know anything, about the show. You might remember
there is a black woman on the show Star Trek
and her name is Lieutenant Uhura, right, and she's played
by Michelle Nichols. This was back in the sixties, and
(20:39):
you know, this is some rinky dink sci fi show,
you know whatever. She was having a tough time in
her life as she was like filming the show, and
famously there's a famous story that she ended up talking
to doctor Martin Luther King at that time and doctor
King says, hey, you know what, don't quit that show.
Stay on that show, because little black kids get to
(21:04):
see you in the future. Little black kids get to
see you, and black people get to see you in
this role, and that matters. You're doing more than just
working a job. You're helping plant the seeds of tomorrow.
This is effectively what doctor King communicates to her. So
on Michelle Nichols, she you know, strengthens herself, gathers herself up,
(21:30):
and soldiers on and continues to play that role. Strange
New Worlds, the prequel to that show, has this character
in it, and throughout all of Star Trek history, whenever
there is a version of Lieutenant Uhura, she is played
by a black woman. Right this version, this most recent
(21:54):
version that I've been watching, it's starring a woman named
Celia Rose Gooding. Okay, and again, this character has been
black the whole time, so it's hard to imagine her
any other way. But the impact of that role way
back when has been paying dividends. And I'm going to
(22:18):
make this live. I'm going to tell one more quick story.
Whoopy Goldberg for younger listeners and viewers. She's on the
view and you know people that know Woopy Goldberg, She's
an egott actress, you know what I mean, one of
the finest actresses of all time, of all time period.
(22:42):
And she played a character Guynan on the show Star
Trek the Next Generation. This was with Captain Picard and
the enterprise. It sped off into like a blinking star
shape sort of thing. That was in the late eighties
early nineties. So the Goldberg was such a fan of
Star Trek the original series because she saw Lieutenant Huru
(23:08):
played by Michelle Nichols. So Whoopy Goeber's a little girl,
She's seeing this black woman play this character in the sixties,
and then when the Next Generation comes out, Whoopy's at
the kind of the peak of her stardom, she asks
Gene Roddenberry, the show's producer and whatever and creator, I
need to be on that show. Can you write apart
from me? And they wrote apart for Whoopy Goldberg, another
black woman who steps in and is a figure, a
(23:33):
character based in the future. Okay, now, I'm telling you
all this because I want to make this point here.
I believe that time has proved that this was necessary
in order to change the world the sixties. The seeds
that were planted in the sixties in the late sixties
(23:56):
changed the world to where now seeing a black woman
and functioning in a main capacity is super normal. We
see it all the time now, But in the sixties,
this was crazy, This was radical. Will Pie Goldberg herself
said that when she first saw Nachelle Nichols on the show,
she says, look, mom, there's a black woman on TV.
(24:17):
And she ain't cleaning up for nobody. She's not sweeping
the house, she's not washing clothes, She not the maid.
She's like a boss on this spaceship in the future.
How about that? Right? So here we are sixty years
later and I see this show. It made me emotional.
(24:38):
There's a black woman playing Lieutenant Hura on the show, right,
and we all look at that, all of us trek ease,
and we see that and it's normal. We couldn't imagine
it any other way. And I think that this is telling.
We mentioned earlier in today's show that at time sometimes
(25:02):
you need time for things to flesh all the way out.
You need time to see what the data results in.
You need time. Like there's certain ideas, certain certain movements,
they need time in their time in the sun, so
you can make heads or tails of it. And Geene
Roddenberry put a black woman on the bridge of his
ship in the late sixties, and now sixty years later,
(25:29):
there are black women in positions of power all over
the place. There's plenty of examples, at least in entertainment
where little girls can see themselves and they don't have
to be the maid, they don't have to be the cook.
And we take this for granted. That's the thing. We
take it for granted. I take it for granted. And
I had this moment that I should not take this
(25:50):
for granted, because this woman, this actress Celia Rose Gooding,
she is, as our former show producer Tanita would say,
she is blacketty Black Black Black, okay, and the other
characters they're black. They're from Africa, you know, and they
talk about their homeland. They talk about the richness and
the wisdom and so forth, and all of this stuff
(26:12):
makes its way into this magnificent show and it is
black and it is okay. And they didn't have to
change anything about who they were born to be. They
didn't have to change their culture, they had to change anything.
And they got to be there, and they got to
be in the future, and they got to contribute. Of course,
there's a white man piloting the starship, and that's okay.
(26:37):
I know, I get it. And of course there's you know,
white folks in the future. That's okay. That's how it's
supposed to be. Sure. Sure, But for those people that
said black lives matter, for those people that were out protesting,
for those people that out that were out trying to
protect black life, because there was something special about it
(27:00):
that it belonged here too, in the great tapestry of humanity.
It belonged here to those people. I say, do yourself
a favor. Check out Lieutenant Uhura on Star Trek. Any start,
it doesn't matter and see a black woman there and
imagine what the world had been like if that seed
(27:20):
hadn't been planted sixty years ago. Now, imagine what fruit
the seed you plant today with DEI holding your dic.
Imagine what seed, what fruit, your seed that you plant
today would bear in sixty years If you showed up
to a protest, if you spoke out against injustice, if
you filmed a police interaction, if you took your vote
(27:43):
and accounted for somebody else, imagine what fruit that seed
would bear. Please imagine that because we your brothers and
your sisters, in this great tapestry of life, we all
need each other and we're going to be here for
you want you to be here for us with Well
(28:04):
that's it. Uh got a little caught up there at
the end, But thank you as always for tuning into
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