July 24, 2025 • 18 mins
On part 2 of today's podcast, Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward discuss British broadcaster Mehdi Hasan's recent debate with several right wing conservatives which has since gone viral .
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher studios. Welcome back to
the QR code, where we share perspective, seek understanding, and
shape outcomes. He is my friend. He always makes me
laugh and I enjoy spending all my worktime with him
and some of my free time with him. He goes
by the name of Q word, and he is the
Q in the QR.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Code, and he is the ramses in the QR code
and my co host and brother, and I don't know
what I would do without him, man. It's a it's
a symbiotic brotherhood relationship and partnership here on these airwaves.
Ramses Jah the capital R in the QR code.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Absolutely, man, I love that, and.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We need you to stick around because we are going
to be discussing a viral debate of Mehdi Hassan. I'm
sure you would know his face if you don't know
his name, but he took on twenty right wingers and.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It was impressive.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was deeply in But before we get to that,
it's time to hear from the great Q word for
his clap back. And we were talking about the attack
on birthright citizenship.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Q talk to me, yeah, man, you know, ending democracy
by executive decree, the Trump administration man targeting yet another
constitutional right, the Fourteenth Amendment. And why this isn't just
legal quibbling, you know, a direct assault on the idea
(01:31):
of American equality. You'll start to hear something that sounds familiar,
a motif, if you will, the Law and Order party
continuing to prove to us that that's not what they're
about at all. They're supposed to be the party that
revers the Constitution, but when it comes to the Fourteenth
(01:53):
Amendment and many others, suddenly that order doesn't matter. Today
we're dealing with the stark example President Trump's executive Order
one four one six to zero, a decree aimed at
revoking birthright citizenship because you know, the founding father's promise
of equal protection depends on which border you crossed and
(02:17):
how much melanin you have in your skin. And New
Hampshire or federal judge granted a class wide injunction temporarily
blocking the order, meaning it can't be enforced against anyone
born or unborn who would lose birthright citizenship under that policy.
This comes after the Supreme Court severely limited districts courts
(02:38):
ability to block executive overreach. So lawyer's pivoted class action
to stop this from unfolding nationwide. So here we are
a judge stepping in literally saving the constitution for millions
who haven't even been born yet. The fourteenth Amendment is
not legal jargon. It's why your baby Autumn becomes a citizen.
(03:02):
It's why someone born to immigrant parents can still claim
America as their home, and it's why the idea of
equal rights under law exist at all. Take that away
and every promise of fairness collapses. And for those who
are immigrants or born of immigrants that are arguing for this,
these rights didn't stop with you. Now that you got
(03:23):
it in your good no one else matters. That's not
only not the spirit of this law, but not ever
what it was intended to mean. Consider that the crowd
is cheering right, the same folks who weaponize family values
to stoke fear and get votes, who call immigrants invaders
and claim to be pro life while providing no protections, resources,
(03:46):
or anything for people after they're born. For people who
claim to protect America from threats to now support a
power grab that turns citizenship into a privilege handed out
by politicians Oh, and it can be purchased, because the
President has made that clear as well. So instead of
this being an earned right, instead of this being a guarantee,
(04:10):
he's turning it into a political gift that he can
hand out whenever he feels like it. There's always been
a fine line when handing out these red flags that
the other side would like for you to pay attention to.
Now they want to strip away citizenship, the most basic red,
(04:32):
white and blue flag of all. The judge's order isn't permanent,
and the administration is gearing up for a legal fight.
They'll push this to appeals. They'll argue they can define
who is American, even if it counts the student.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
They should not be.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Publicly because this is flatly executive tyranny.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This isn't just about migrants or future baby either.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's about you, your kids, your democracy, because once citizenship
is gone for some, it can just as easily be
gone for other others. Yeah, we all breathe the same
air under the same sky. But they want a world.
But that's not the truth. And that world that they're
(05:22):
aiming to create starts here. It, however, does not end here.
They call themselves constitutional conservatives, but now they're targeting the
Constitution's backbone, and the fourteenth Amendment is just one of
the steps that they're taking to dismantle democracy as we
know it. If citizenship can be revoked by decree, nothing
(05:47):
is safe.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You claim you love this country, you have to love
all of its citizens and all of its occupants. Where
you're not protecting freedom at all, ye, Rams, As we
are watching a white supremacist dictatorship not just take form,
but fully formed and functioning, and it's cheered on by
(06:13):
people who have built their entire political identity on being
the law, first, second Amendment, Constitution, fight for party. What
other explanation do we have, Rams for why they sit
idly and silent as all of these constitutional amendments and
(06:33):
all these laws are being broken and violated.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I I get the frustration.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's a you know, it's like one of those things
where if you met a religious person, and maybe they're
a different religion and whatever, who knows, But you met
a religious person, even if you didn't agree with their religion,
you knew that they had a code, and even if
it wasn't your code, you could you could kind of
of predict what their behavior might be like in a
(07:04):
given situation because that's their religion. Well, for Republicans, historically speaking,
their religion has been the Constitution. And to see them
really betray the fundamentals of the Constitution out of political convenience,
(07:25):
you know, or to create more divisions, so more division
in the country feels like, you know, where is your backbone?
I thought that this was your whole thing, you know
what I mean? And I know this is not true
of all Republicans, but you know, Republicans in general. It's
kind of disappointing because once upon a time you could
(07:45):
predict that those folks would at least be stable and
hold their ground when it came to that document. It
was sacred above all else, and lately it doesn't really
feel like as many Republicans are really holding that same ground.
So I get the frustration. Speaking of Republicans and holding
(08:06):
their ground. Let's talk about this viral debate of Mehdi Hassan.
All right, I'll start it off, Q, and then you
talk to me, because you've seen the whole thing. I've
seen some clips, but you've seen the whole thing. So
I'll paint the picture and we'll hear from you. I'm
going to learn along with you, all right?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
This from Forbes.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Left wing journalist Meddi Hassan debated twenty far right conservatives
in a video that has gone viral on social media,
largely due to shocking statements made by some of his
opponents during one sorry, including one who admitted he identifies
as a fascist and doesn't care about being called a Nazi,
and who has since lost his job, which Forbes confirmed
(08:42):
through an employer. The video, part of a controversial video
series produced by a media company Jubilee, has garnered four
million views since its publication Tuesday, and has racked up
millions more views across x and TikTok than nearly two
hour debate covered hot topics ripped from the headlines, whether
President Trump was defying the Constitution, the value of immigrants
to the US, and the US involvement in Gaza. Some
(09:04):
inflammatory claims made by the participants have gone viral, including
one from a man who identified himself as Connor, who responded, yeah,
I am after Hassan suggested he may be a fascist
to applause from other participants and also said he didn't
care about being called a Nazi. Voiced opposition to democracy
and free speech, and advocated for autocracy by rulers who
(09:26):
uphold Catholic teachings. One day after the Jubilee debate, Connor,
who has not returned interview requests from Forbes, claimed in
an interview on Riff TV he was fired from his
job as a result of the debate, which he blamed
on the manner in which you are canceled for voicing
this is a quote from him heterosexual, Christian moral beliefs.
(09:48):
Via a cloud engineering firm confirmed to Forbes demand had
been a subcontractor, stating his employment was quote not terminated
by VAP, but by the core contractor. Connor has since
posted a fundraiser on a Christian fundraising platform seeking fifteen
thousand dollars in emergency funds while he seeks a new job.
As of Tuesday morning, he has raised more than twenty
(10:09):
nine thousand dollars, with some comments from donors including it's
okay to be white and we need a white nation.
It's our only future. Viva le fassime. I imagine that's
long lived fascism, all right. One clip from the debate,
in which a participant tells Usan he's going to have
to go, meaning he wants us on who is an
(10:30):
immigrant to leave the United States garnered ten million views
in a post on X and another clip that garnered
four million views on X, participants told us on he
feels his entire race, referring to white people, is facing
a genocide in the United States. In a moment of sorry.
In a moment from the debate that garnered four million
views on TikTok, a San pressed a participant over her
(10:50):
views on immigration, prompting her to admit her parents are
immigrants to the United States, but quote at this moment unquote,
she does not accept that immigrants are a Mayorricans.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I remember seeing that one.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Okay, cute, any details to fill in there or your
initial takeaway.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I mean everything that stood out, with the exception of
a gentleman who I think was from Iran.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The mental, moral, religious, and intellectual gymnastics that MAGA right
wing people have to do to even try to have
a conversation with you about why they feel the way
they do has to be exhausting and sometimes painful. This
young lady born of immigrant parents who she absolutely considers americans,
(11:40):
had to fold on that idea on camera just to
try to win an argument and own the Libs. Yeah,
my position at this moment is that I don't accept
that immigrants are Americans, but I am, and so are
my parents who are immigrants.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I cannot even try to process how frustrating it was
for Mehdi Hassan to have to sit through this. And
you know, some have tried to criticize him for his
position that he would not debate fascist and it's similar
to you and I. If we can't agree on what
facts are, then how do we have a civil debate?
If you've determined that I'm less human being than you,
(12:22):
then okay, where do we start? That everyone's less human
being than you? That fascism and being a Nazi is okay,
that unliving people in mass is okay, just because they
don't agree with you or look like you.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
What is there for us to debate about?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What is there for us to try to have a
civil conversation about? And it's really really cringey if you
have a chance to watch this thing, because the young
man who lost his job, of course he's going to
raise one hundred thousand dollars from right wing racist to
support his message. That might have been the whole plan.
Let me go grift America by claiming myself to be vile,
(13:02):
getting fired, and then playing victim. But when he declared
himself a Nazi and a fascist, the proud, smug, cringy,
goofy laugh that he does after he says it is
so like. Man. What you have to remember and realize
is that we sit next to these people on planes
and buses, We shop next to these people at malls
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and grocery stores. We go to doctors' offices and hope
that the people that are in that office do not
think and believe this way. Dentists, that people who take
care of our children their teachers.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
So it's a really really dangerous reality that we live
in that people very very proudly consider themselves on camera
for the world to see fascist and Nazis, and that
word starting to be used as kind of casual vernacular now,
where even two years ago would have been disgusted for
(14:02):
being accused of mimicking or parroting the political or you know,
human beliefs of the Nazis. It would be infuriating if
I wasn't so mentally and emotionally exhausted. This is the
reality that we live in now, and I'm sorry, folks,
(14:26):
it's not going anywhere. You think in four or five
hundred more years, white supremacy will die away and those
who have always held all the power will concede it
one day, or see that power, I'm sorry, will make
(14:46):
room for us. Or will they continue to tell us
to pull ourselves up by our bootstrings while burning all
the boots and destroying all the strings, Like what are
we supposed to do? Yeah? So the brilliant thing about
watching this is that, unlike me, his emotion never heightened.
(15:07):
It was an intellectual masterpiece, like no one that sat
down had anything for him. Even according to their constituents
who looked and believed and felt and prayed the same
way they do, not very many of them met made
the end of their time because a room full of people,
like I said, who think, live and pray the way
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that they do, raise their red flags like.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, you got to get up.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You're not doing a good bad Yeah, So salute to
him for putting himself in harm's way. I don't know
how I feel about the platform though, the jubilee. They
they're they're presenting this thing as a fair way for
people to discuss ideas. But it's really just platforming fascism.
It's platforming like flagrant far extreme conspiracy theorist. You know,
(15:55):
it's not a it's not really a good faith situation.
It's like one intelligent person against a bunch of evil
people who are also unintelligent, and they get to like
we've talked about before, they get to get all their
points off, and that person has to suspend reality to
try to fight them in a way that no intellectual
(16:15):
person is really trained to fight. Halfway through the argument,
the facts don't matter no more. We're playing rock paper scissors,
but I have swords and laser beams.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Like wait what you know what I mean? So it's yeah,
it's it, go ahead, bro.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well the thing about this is like I I you
know this. I when we first started doing our show,
Civic Cipher, I never wanted to which, by the way,
this weekend, check out Civic Cipher.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We got a good win in store.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But I never wanted to have any conversations with people
on the right. I just didn't want to do it.
You remember that, I do. I've maintained that. Yeah, yeah,
but you know, we've been doing this for some years now,
and so it's inevitable that you end up having to
have conversations with people on the right, and you just
express my fear back way back when, which is, I
(17:06):
don't want to be irresponsible with a microphone and an
audience by sharing this microphone with somebody who has very dangerous,
very divisive views, and then I'm amplifying them because I
have a program and I have an audience.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But what I found, you know, Amy Horwitz, is a
is a longtime sparring partner of mine and Q's on
the show, more mine than Q's, but more yours than q's, right,
But a long time sparring partner's a conservative media pundit,
and you pop on and I'll pop on his stuff
and we'll go back and forth. But I find that
(17:40):
that's a little bit more useful than just kind of
the rapid firepace that I've seen these things at. And
I've seen, you know, right wingers in a room full
of liberals do the same thing, and the conversations don't
get deep enough, and the people aren't really intellectually matched,
and so that can be a dangerous company. And uh,
(18:04):
that's going.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
To do it for us here on the QR Code.
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QR Code
Still broadcasting from the Civic Cipher studios. Welcome back to
the QR code, where we share perspective, seek understanding, and
shape outcomes. He is my friend. He always makes me
laugh and I enjoy spending all my worktime with him
and some of my free time with him. He goes
by the name of Q word, and he is the
Q in the QR.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Code, and he is the ramses in the QR code
and my co host and brother, and I don't know
what I would do without him, man. It's a it's
a symbiotic brotherhood relationship and partnership here on these airwaves.
Ramses Jah the capital R in the QR code.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Absolutely, man, I love that, and.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We need you to stick around because we are going
to be discussing a viral debate of Mehdi Hassan. I'm
sure you would know his face if you don't know
his name, but he took on twenty right wingers and.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
It was impressive.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It was deeply in But before we get to that,
it's time to hear from the great Q word for
his clap back. And we were talking about the attack
on birthright citizenship.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Q talk to me, yeah, man, you know, ending democracy
by executive decree, the Trump administration man targeting yet another
constitutional right, the Fourteenth Amendment. And why this isn't just
legal quibbling, you know, a direct assault on the idea
(01:31):
of American equality. You'll start to hear something that sounds familiar,
a motif, if you will, the Law and Order party
continuing to prove to us that that's not what they're
about at all. They're supposed to be the party that
revers the Constitution, but when it comes to the Fourteenth
(01:53):
Amendment and many others, suddenly that order doesn't matter. Today
we're dealing with the stark example President Trump's executive Order
one four one six to zero, a decree aimed at
revoking birthright citizenship because you know, the founding father's promise
of equal protection depends on which border you crossed and
(02:17):
how much melanin you have in your skin. And New
Hampshire or federal judge granted a class wide injunction temporarily
blocking the order, meaning it can't be enforced against anyone
born or unborn who would lose birthright citizenship under that policy.
This comes after the Supreme Court severely limited districts courts
(02:38):
ability to block executive overreach. So lawyer's pivoted class action
to stop this from unfolding nationwide. So here we are
a judge stepping in literally saving the constitution for millions
who haven't even been born yet. The fourteenth Amendment is
not legal jargon. It's why your baby Autumn becomes a citizen.
(03:02):
It's why someone born to immigrant parents can still claim
America as their home, and it's why the idea of
equal rights under law exist at all. Take that away
and every promise of fairness collapses. And for those who
are immigrants or born of immigrants that are arguing for this,
these rights didn't stop with you. Now that you got
(03:23):
it in your good no one else matters. That's not
only not the spirit of this law, but not ever
what it was intended to mean. Consider that the crowd
is cheering right, the same folks who weaponize family values
to stoke fear and get votes, who call immigrants invaders
and claim to be pro life while providing no protections, resources,
(03:46):
or anything for people after they're born. For people who
claim to protect America from threats to now support a
power grab that turns citizenship into a privilege handed out
by politicians Oh, and it can be purchased, because the
President has made that clear as well. So instead of
this being an earned right, instead of this being a guarantee,
(04:10):
he's turning it into a political gift that he can
hand out whenever he feels like it. There's always been
a fine line when handing out these red flags that
the other side would like for you to pay attention to.
Now they want to strip away citizenship, the most basic red,
(04:32):
white and blue flag of all. The judge's order isn't permanent,
and the administration is gearing up for a legal fight.
They'll push this to appeals. They'll argue they can define
who is American, even if it counts the student.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
They should not be.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Publicly because this is flatly executive tyranny.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
This isn't just about migrants or future baby either.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
It's about you, your kids, your democracy, because once citizenship
is gone for some, it can just as easily be
gone for other others. Yeah, we all breathe the same
air under the same sky. But they want a world.
But that's not the truth. And that world that they're
(05:22):
aiming to create starts here. It, however, does not end here.
They call themselves constitutional conservatives, but now they're targeting the
Constitution's backbone, and the fourteenth Amendment is just one of
the steps that they're taking to dismantle democracy as we
know it. If citizenship can be revoked by decree, nothing
(05:47):
is safe.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Man.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You claim you love this country, you have to love
all of its citizens and all of its occupants. Where
you're not protecting freedom at all, ye, Rams, As we
are watching a white supremacist dictatorship not just take form,
but fully formed and functioning, and it's cheered on by
(06:13):
people who have built their entire political identity on being
the law, first, second Amendment, Constitution, fight for party. What
other explanation do we have, Rams for why they sit
idly and silent as all of these constitutional amendments and
(06:33):
all these laws are being broken and violated.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I I get the frustration.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's a you know, it's like one of those things
where if you met a religious person, and maybe they're
a different religion and whatever, who knows, But you met
a religious person, even if you didn't agree with their religion,
you knew that they had a code, and even if
it wasn't your code, you could you could kind of
of predict what their behavior might be like in a
(07:04):
given situation because that's their religion. Well, for Republicans, historically speaking,
their religion has been the Constitution. And to see them
really betray the fundamentals of the Constitution out of political convenience,
(07:25):
you know, or to create more divisions, so more division
in the country feels like, you know, where is your backbone?
I thought that this was your whole thing, you know
what I mean? And I know this is not true
of all Republicans, but you know, Republicans in general. It's
kind of disappointing because once upon a time you could
(07:45):
predict that those folks would at least be stable and
hold their ground when it came to that document. It
was sacred above all else, and lately it doesn't really
feel like as many Republicans are really holding that same ground.
So I get the frustration. Speaking of Republicans and holding
(08:06):
their ground. Let's talk about this viral debate of Mehdi Hassan.
All right, I'll start it off, Q, and then you
talk to me, because you've seen the whole thing. I've
seen some clips, but you've seen the whole thing. So
I'll paint the picture and we'll hear from you. I'm
going to learn along with you, all right?
Speaker 3 (08:21):
This from Forbes.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Left wing journalist Meddi Hassan debated twenty far right conservatives
in a video that has gone viral on social media,
largely due to shocking statements made by some of his
opponents during one sorry, including one who admitted he identifies
as a fascist and doesn't care about being called a Nazi,
and who has since lost his job, which Forbes confirmed
(08:42):
through an employer. The video, part of a controversial video
series produced by a media company Jubilee, has garnered four
million views since its publication Tuesday, and has racked up
millions more views across x and TikTok than nearly two
hour debate covered hot topics ripped from the headlines, whether
President Trump was defying the Constitution, the value of immigrants
to the US, and the US involvement in Gaza. Some
(09:04):
inflammatory claims made by the participants have gone viral, including
one from a man who identified himself as Connor, who responded, yeah,
I am after Hassan suggested he may be a fascist
to applause from other participants and also said he didn't
care about being called a Nazi. Voiced opposition to democracy
and free speech, and advocated for autocracy by rulers who
(09:26):
uphold Catholic teachings. One day after the Jubilee debate, Connor,
who has not returned interview requests from Forbes, claimed in
an interview on Riff TV he was fired from his
job as a result of the debate, which he blamed
on the manner in which you are canceled for voicing
this is a quote from him heterosexual, Christian moral beliefs.
(09:48):
Via a cloud engineering firm confirmed to Forbes demand had
been a subcontractor, stating his employment was quote not terminated
by VAP, but by the core contractor. Connor has since
posted a fundraiser on a Christian fundraising platform seeking fifteen
thousand dollars in emergency funds while he seeks a new job.
As of Tuesday morning, he has raised more than twenty
(10:09):
nine thousand dollars, with some comments from donors including it's
okay to be white and we need a white nation.
It's our only future. Viva le fassime. I imagine that's
long lived fascism, all right. One clip from the debate,
in which a participant tells Usan he's going to have
to go, meaning he wants us on who is an
(10:30):
immigrant to leave the United States garnered ten million views
in a post on X and another clip that garnered
four million views on X, participants told us on he
feels his entire race, referring to white people, is facing
a genocide in the United States. In a moment of sorry.
In a moment from the debate that garnered four million
views on TikTok, a San pressed a participant over her
(10:50):
views on immigration, prompting her to admit her parents are
immigrants to the United States, but quote at this moment unquote,
she does not accept that immigrants are a Mayorricans.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I remember seeing that one.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Okay, cute, any details to fill in there or your
initial takeaway.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I mean everything that stood out, with the exception of
a gentleman who I think was from Iran.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The mental, moral, religious, and intellectual gymnastics that MAGA right
wing people have to do to even try to have
a conversation with you about why they feel the way
they do has to be exhausting and sometimes painful. This
young lady born of immigrant parents who she absolutely considers americans,
(11:40):
had to fold on that idea on camera just to
try to win an argument and own the Libs. Yeah,
my position at this moment is that I don't accept
that immigrants are Americans, but I am, and so are
my parents who are immigrants.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Like it's.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I cannot even try to process how frustrating it was
for Mehdi Hassan to have to sit through this. And
you know, some have tried to criticize him for his
position that he would not debate fascist and it's similar
to you and I. If we can't agree on what
facts are, then how do we have a civil debate?
If you've determined that I'm less human being than you,
(12:22):
then okay, where do we start? That everyone's less human
being than you? That fascism and being a Nazi is okay,
that unliving people in mass is okay, just because they
don't agree with you or look like you.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
What is there for us to debate about?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
What is there for us to try to have a
civil conversation about? And it's really really cringey if you
have a chance to watch this thing, because the young
man who lost his job, of course he's going to
raise one hundred thousand dollars from right wing racist to
support his message. That might have been the whole plan.
Let me go grift America by claiming myself to be vile,
(13:02):
getting fired, and then playing victim. But when he declared
himself a Nazi and a fascist, the proud, smug, cringy,
goofy laugh that he does after he says it is
so like. Man. What you have to remember and realize
is that we sit next to these people on planes
and buses, We shop next to these people at malls
(13:24):
and grocery stores. We go to doctors' offices and hope
that the people that are in that office do not
think and believe this way. Dentists, that people who take
care of our children their teachers.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
So it's a really really dangerous reality that we live
in that people very very proudly consider themselves on camera
for the world to see fascist and Nazis, and that
word starting to be used as kind of casual vernacular now,
where even two years ago would have been disgusted for
(14:02):
being accused of mimicking or parroting the political or you know,
human beliefs of the Nazis. It would be infuriating if
I wasn't so mentally and emotionally exhausted. This is the
reality that we live in now, and I'm sorry, folks,
(14:26):
it's not going anywhere. You think in four or five
hundred more years, white supremacy will die away and those
who have always held all the power will concede it
one day, or see that power, I'm sorry, will make
(14:46):
room for us. Or will they continue to tell us
to pull ourselves up by our bootstrings while burning all
the boots and destroying all the strings, Like what are
we supposed to do? Yeah? So the brilliant thing about
watching this is that, unlike me, his emotion never heightened.
(15:07):
It was an intellectual masterpiece, like no one that sat
down had anything for him. Even according to their constituents
who looked and believed and felt and prayed the same
way they do, not very many of them met made
the end of their time because a room full of people,
like I said, who think, live and pray the way
(15:28):
that they do, raise their red flags like.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Okay, you got to get up.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
You're not doing a good bad Yeah, So salute to
him for putting himself in harm's way. I don't know
how I feel about the platform though, the jubilee. They
they're they're presenting this thing as a fair way for
people to discuss ideas. But it's really just platforming fascism.
It's platforming like flagrant far extreme conspiracy theorist. You know,
(15:55):
it's not a it's not really a good faith situation.
It's like one intelligent person against a bunch of evil
people who are also unintelligent, and they get to like
we've talked about before, they get to get all their
points off, and that person has to suspend reality to
try to fight them in a way that no intellectual
(16:15):
person is really trained to fight. Halfway through the argument,
the facts don't matter no more. We're playing rock paper scissors,
but I have swords and laser beams.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Like wait what you know what I mean? So it's yeah,
it's it, go ahead, bro.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Well the thing about this is like I I you
know this. I when we first started doing our show,
Civic Cipher, I never wanted to which, by the way,
this weekend, check out Civic Cipher.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
We got a good win in store.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But I never wanted to have any conversations with people
on the right. I just didn't want to do it.
You remember that, I do. I've maintained that. Yeah, yeah,
but you know, we've been doing this for some years now,
and so it's inevitable that you end up having to
have conversations with people on the right, and you just
express my fear back way back when, which is, I
(17:06):
don't want to be irresponsible with a microphone and an
audience by sharing this microphone with somebody who has very dangerous,
very divisive views, and then I'm amplifying them because I
have a program and I have an audience.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But what I found, you know, Amy Horwitz, is a
is a longtime sparring partner of mine and Q's on
the show, more mine than Q's, but more yours than q's, right,
But a long time sparring partner's a conservative media pundit,
and you pop on and I'll pop on his stuff
and we'll go back and forth. But I find that
(17:40):
that's a little bit more useful than just kind of
the rapid firepace that I've seen these things at. And
I've seen, you know, right wingers in a room full
of liberals do the same thing, and the conversations don't
get deep enough, and the people aren't really intellectually matched,
and so that can be a dangerous company. And uh,
(18:04):
that's going.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
To do it for us here on the QR Code.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Thank you for tuning in as always, and also let's
shout out civiccipher dot com if you want to learn
more about that. Uh you know we we appreciate your
support on that platform as well. Today's show was produced
by Chris Thompson. If you have any thoughts you'd like
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or again civiccipher dot com. You can find me. I'm
your host, ramses Jah on all social media.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
I am qward on all social media as well.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And join us next time as we share our news
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