On part 2 of today's podcast, Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward discuss how Great Britain has stated they plan to recognize Palestinian Statehood unless Israel agrees to a Gaza ceasefire
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Still broadcasting from the civic side for studios. This is
the QR code where we share perspectives, seek understanding and
shape outcomes. The man you're about to hear from is
the by a long way best dressed person. I know
he's the Q in the QR codnet. He goes by
the name of.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Qward, and they'd be lying to y'all saying things about
himself while looking in the mirror and then putting my
name on the end, so it sounds like a compliment
to me.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
He's the R in the QR code. He goes by
the name ramses Jah. Hey, check out Q words Instagram.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You'll see I'm not making none of that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You got to stop lying to these people, man, they
deserve better in anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We need you to stick around because we are going
to be talking about Britain potentially moving to recognize a
Palestinian state unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza.
That's a major development in this timeline and it's something
that we have to talk about. So stay tuned because
(00:59):
we're looking for or to having that conversation. But before
we get there, it is time for Qwards clap back,
and he's going to explain to us, maybe the motivation
behind ICE moving to monitor one hundred and eighty thousand
immigrants with digital shackles. If there is one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Not one that we can justify anyone, not one that
we can just for that's a good way saying okay.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right, So imagine being tracked even when you show up.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
As ICE expands GPS monitoring, we're trying to figure out
rams what this really means. So what we're typically told
with regard to law enforcement and things not going in
the way that we hope or wish they would, is
we just need to comply, man, Just do what they say.
Just listen to the officers, and everything will be okay.
(01:54):
They told immigrants to cooperate those going about the process
the right way, to just show up for these here,
for these check ins. Just follow the rules and everything
will be okay. Now, even if you're an immigrant legally
enrolled in a check in program, you get rewarded with
(02:14):
a tracker and twenty four to seven surveillance. That's the
point of ISI's newest directive fit nearly one hundred and
eighty thousand immigrants with GPS ankle monitors, and this is
the most interesting part rounds. These are people who have
(02:37):
broken no laws and they are making no exemptions because
of that. So a lot of people hear us talk
about things like this and they either argue in bad
faith or they really don't think it's possible because they
still think there's a such thing as checks and balances.
So how would this work and how we go from
(02:59):
alternatives to the tention to what is now a twenty
four to seven digital prison. So isis alternatives to detention
program once used simple phone check ins for case management.
They used it to supervis immigrants awaiting hearings. They complied,
they got fewer restrictions That changed under a new memo recently.
(03:24):
If you are enrolled, you must wear an ankle monitor
whenever possible, regardless of your compliance history. Pregnant women get
risk trackers instead, but almost everyone still gets what is
akin to a digital tracker. Sounds more like regression than reform,
(03:47):
but I digress here. We call things like this what
they are, state authorized surveillance dressed up in a costume
and presents it to us as safety. People living in
the same homes, working the same jobs, in the same
neighborhoods they've been in for years now are all of
(04:08):
a sudden considered flight risk. Now these monitors for whoever
provide to them, generate billions of dollars because, of course,
because of course, that's the whole game, you know. And
advocates say that this is dehumanizing and unnecessary, but who
cares because they're not actually looking for compliance. It's always
(04:33):
been about control. Why turn cooperation into coersion? Ask ICE insiders.
They need more manpower for deportation raids. But if agents
aren't free to pursue a rest, who fills these tracking roles?
(04:55):
Private contractors as usual? And this expands to tracking free
agents commodifies the surveillance of human beings. You comply, you
become tracked, labor watched by the same system that once
granted you conditional freedom. That's a labor pipeline disguised this
(05:20):
public service. It might sound like I'm repeating points from
a prior discussion or a prior argument, and here we
are kinda because here we are. And the interesting thing
rams you and I have talked about this several times
now is that they get to make these decisions in
a lot of cases based on how you look. Right,
(05:41):
their racial and economic bias, is now on full display.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They don't even pretend it's not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So who would you say, if you had to guess
rams gets tracked most aggressively.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I would imagine it goes darker skin and male leaning.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Almost all correct.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You forgot working class and poor Black and brown working
class poor people get monitored, tracked more aggressively because of course. Meanwhile,
white visitors, because they're called visitors when they don't look
like us.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh yeah, imagine them visas work illegally.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No cuffs, no trackers, no mass raids, no mass deportations.
So just like homelessness, same blueprint isolate, surveil, exploit, and
let comfort protect the privileged. So what we can't do
is pretend it this new. This is the same movie
(06:48):
that we've seen over and over again, criminalizing unhoused people,
banning protesters, installing ankle cuffs on obedient immigrants, all tied together,
creating a system designed to punish the presence of marginalized
black and brown and poor people. We like to call
(07:09):
America this very, very free society, but you're not free
if you're not a part of the privileged class.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So there's a little bit of truth before we move on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Even if you do everything right, the state doesn't lift
a finger.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They tighten the shackle.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
If you're peaceful and docile and enrolled in this system,
you're tracked. And it doesn't matter that you've never broken
the law, because, as the great philosopher of Childish Gambino
once said, this is America, and unfortunately, compliance does not
earn you trust. In this case, it earns you tracking.
(07:51):
And that is the real definition of punishment.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, what's crazy, too, is that we came across
that fact toid not too long ago, that immigrants commit
crimes at a lower rate, at a considerably lower rate
than indeed significantly lower rate.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, so it's crazy that they're going through the proper
channels to do everything the right way. They're not breaking laws.
These aren't the bad people that are getting deported, decent
folks doing what they gotta do to earn their citizenship.
And then that, you know, yeah, that's crazy. All right,
Moving on, Sashim dialogue about what's going on in the
(08:33):
United Kingdom. Okay, this is from CNN. The UK says
it will recognize a Palestinian state in September unless Israel
agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza. This is a lengthy article,
but I feel like it's all important, so bear with me.
I'm gonna get through it as quickly as i can.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I've always said that we will recognize a Palestinian state
as a contribution to a proper peace process at the
moment of maximum impact for the two state solution unquote,
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said in a press briefing
after a cabinet meeting on Tuesday. It was on to
say I can confirm the UK will recognize the state
of Palestine by the United Nations General Assembly in September
(09:14):
unless the Israeli government takes substantive, substantif steps, substantive steps
to end the appalling situation in Gaza, agree to a
cease fire and commit to a long term sustainable peace,
reviving the prospect of a two state solution unquote. Starmer
made the announcement one day after the UK leader said
the British public are revolted by images of people starving
(09:38):
in Gaza. Speaking alongside US President Donald Trump in Scotland,
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin NETANYAHUO said Starmer's decision quote rewards
Hamasa's monstrous terrorism.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
A jahadish state on Israel's border today will threaten Britain tomorrow.
Appeasement toward Jahadis terrorists will always fail.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It will fail you too.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It will not happen, Netnyahu said, according to a post
on x by his office on Tuesday. Is sorry, Israel's
Foreign ministry said the move harms efforts to implement a
ceasefire in Gaza and release the remaining hostages held in
the territory. Trump echoed some of Israel's criticism and said
he sees the UK's decision as rewarding Hamas, adding that
(10:24):
the US has no plans to follow suit. During his
address on Tuesdays, Starmer also repeated his demands of Hamas,
saying that the group must release all hostages, immediately, disarm,
sign up to a ceasefire, and except that they will
play no role in the government of Gaza. Starmer has
been facing mounting pressure from within his Labour party to
(10:47):
take a tougher line on Israel, made more acute after
Macrone's recent announcement that France would recognize a Palestinian state
in September, becoming the first G seven country to do
sou went back. Food Security Agency set on Tuesday that
the worst case scenario of famine is currently taking place
in the Gaza Strip, with more than twenty thousand children
(11:09):
admitted for treatment for acute malnutrition between April and mid July. Spain, Ireland,
and Norway recognized Palestinian statehood last year, but Otherean nations
have thus far proved stubbornly reluctant to formally recognize a
Palestinian state.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, there's been a lot of people on the
ground speaking up for Palestine. There's been a lot of
activists speaking up for Palestine, even some people in government
speaking up for Palestine. But to have an actual government
step up and make a move that is significant and considerable,
(11:49):
I think that's a major development. And I usually say
that's not nothing, but this is actually something, what do
you think, you're cute?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Quite substantial, because the way that Palestine is spoken about
an international conversation is that of a territory only given
autonomy by Israel or the US saying so, and the
UK deciding to recognize them as a sovereign state. A
(12:22):
sovereign entity would bring them to the table as potentially
a member of the United Nations, which they are not,
would give them some some rights that I think people
assumed already existed, the way that international courts and international
(12:44):
bodies would have to show up on their behalf if
they were recognized in a more serious way by a
Western power. It's not just symbolic, it's politically strategic, and
it puts pressure on other countries to either follow suit
or stand opposed to the decision that they make, So
(13:06):
it doesn't necessarily create a Palestinian state. In practice, they
don't get to determine their borders or force Israel to
change its behavior. But it's a sort of diplomatic pressure
that doesn't exist currently because they are not, in a
lot of places recognized as a sovereign entity. So the UK,
(13:30):
for what people might think is making a political decision
here and acknowledging Palestina's legitimate nation with the right to
self governance, borders and international representation just like France or
Egypt or Italy is a really really big deal and
something that caught me off guard in a really refreshing way.
(13:51):
I think this is not an unpopular opinion. I don't
think they're the only place in the world that feels
this way. I think there are a lot of people
here that feel this way. I think there are a
lot of people all over the world watching what's happening
over there that are completely turned off by it. I
think even those who may have once upon a time
talked about Israel's rights to defend itself acknowledged that this
(14:13):
is way past self defense. It has gotten to be
gruesome and gross, and it's kind of openly recognized as
a genocide at this point.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I don't even think that's a.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Controversial take anymore unless you're talking to Zionist or is
rarely loyalist to a point that they will not understand
or even give the humanity of Palestinians, even innocent civilians
who have nothing to do with the conflict, any worth,
any self determination or any autonomy. So this is a
(14:47):
bigger deal than the headline even suggests.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, and you know, this again, is something that we've
covered since it happened, and we've had conversation with people
who are able to defend Israel's position masterfully, and of
course we've had conversations with people who are able to
(15:13):
defend Palestine's position masterfully. You know, Amy Horwitz is a
friend of the show. He comes on all the time.
He's a conservative journalist and he is a Jewish Man,
and he spends a lot of time in Israel and
kind of knows the politics of that place. You might
see him on Fox News from time to time. And
(15:36):
you know, he was the first conversation we had after
October seventh, and then after that we had conversations with
a number of people who were Palestinian people. I mean,
they still are, but you know, we have Palestinian folks
come up on the show, people that know the land,
people that know the history of the land, people that
have a lot to say about it. And once you
(15:57):
get through all the noise, once you get through the
conversations where people are pointing the finger and say, oh,
they indoctrinate their children, because both sides say that. You know,
once you get through all of that stuff, you're still.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Left with the reality of the situation, which is people
are dying in mass in Palestine currently and have been
for some time, and.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The majority of the world. I would say, certainly based
on data, because we have that conversation now. The data
may be a little old now, but I suspect it
has probably grown in support of what it is I'm
about to say. But the majority people in the world
want to see that genocide come to an end. The
(16:47):
majority people want to see a ceasefire. You know, Israel
has proven that it is indeed defended, It has responded,
It has ended more life then life was ended within
its own borders, right, And if it's a tit for tat,
they got a lot of tats. And so I think
(17:08):
the thrust of what a lot of people are pushing
for is just hey, stop and indeed, here you know,
one of the things that we learned about, because to
be fair, I didn't know head or tails of Israel
or palestein prior to October seventh, this which wasn't on
my radar, you know, it just was too far beyond
my reality. I deal with police shootings. I deal with
people in America, black people, you know, That's what I know.
(17:31):
But learning all this this stuff about, you know, the
these two countries, you realize how deep it goes. A
two state solution is something that we learned about in
short order, which seems to be at least something that
will end a lot of the back and forth over there.
(17:51):
And the fact that you know in Europe a lot
of these countries are moving to position Palestine to be
able to take advantage of that feels like it's worth
some applause, and that's going to do it for us
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Still broadcasting from the civic side for studios. This is
the QR code where we share perspectives, seek understanding and
shape outcomes. The man you're about to hear from is
the by a long way best dressed person. I know
he's the Q in the QR codnet. He goes by
the name of.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Qward, and they'd be lying to y'all saying things about
himself while looking in the mirror and then putting my
name on the end, so it sounds like a compliment
to me.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
He's the R in the QR code. He goes by
the name ramses Jah. Hey, check out Q words Instagram.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You'll see I'm not making none of that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You got to stop lying to these people, man, they
deserve better in anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
We need you to stick around because we are going
to be talking about Britain potentially moving to recognize a
Palestinian state unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza.
That's a major development in this timeline and it's something
that we have to talk about. So stay tuned because
(00:59):
we're looking for or to having that conversation. But before
we get there, it is time for Qwards clap back,
and he's going to explain to us, maybe the motivation
behind ICE moving to monitor one hundred and eighty thousand
immigrants with digital shackles. If there is one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Not one that we can justify anyone, not one that
we can just for that's a good way saying okay.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right, So imagine being tracked even when you show up.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
As ICE expands GPS monitoring, we're trying to figure out
rams what this really means. So what we're typically told
with regard to law enforcement and things not going in
the way that we hope or wish they would, is
we just need to comply, man, Just do what they say.
Just listen to the officers, and everything will be okay.
(01:54):
They told immigrants to cooperate those going about the process
the right way, to just show up for these here,
for these check ins. Just follow the rules and everything
will be okay. Now, even if you're an immigrant legally
enrolled in a check in program, you get rewarded with
(02:14):
a tracker and twenty four to seven surveillance. That's the
point of ISI's newest directive fit nearly one hundred and
eighty thousand immigrants with GPS ankle monitors, and this is
the most interesting part rounds. These are people who have
(02:37):
broken no laws and they are making no exemptions because
of that. So a lot of people hear us talk
about things like this and they either argue in bad
faith or they really don't think it's possible because they
still think there's a such thing as checks and balances.
So how would this work and how we go from
(02:59):
alternatives to the tention to what is now a twenty
four to seven digital prison. So isis alternatives to detention
program once used simple phone check ins for case management.
They used it to supervis immigrants awaiting hearings. They complied,
they got fewer restrictions That changed under a new memo recently.
(03:24):
If you are enrolled, you must wear an ankle monitor
whenever possible, regardless of your compliance history. Pregnant women get
risk trackers instead, but almost everyone still gets what is
akin to a digital tracker. Sounds more like regression than reform,
(03:47):
but I digress here. We call things like this what
they are, state authorized surveillance dressed up in a costume
and presents it to us as safety. People living in
the same homes, working the same jobs, in the same
neighborhoods they've been in for years now are all of
(04:08):
a sudden considered flight risk. Now these monitors for whoever
provide to them, generate billions of dollars because, of course,
because of course, that's the whole game, you know. And
advocates say that this is dehumanizing and unnecessary, but who
cares because they're not actually looking for compliance. It's always
(04:33):
been about control. Why turn cooperation into coersion? Ask ICE insiders.
They need more manpower for deportation raids. But if agents
aren't free to pursue a rest, who fills these tracking roles?
(04:55):
Private contractors as usual? And this expands to tracking free
agents commodifies the surveillance of human beings. You comply, you
become tracked, labor watched by the same system that once
granted you conditional freedom. That's a labor pipeline disguised this
(05:20):
public service. It might sound like I'm repeating points from
a prior discussion or a prior argument, and here we
are kinda because here we are. And the interesting thing
rams you and I have talked about this several times
now is that they get to make these decisions in
a lot of cases based on how you look. Right,
(05:41):
their racial and economic bias, is now on full display.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
They don't even pretend it's not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So who would you say, if you had to guess
rams gets tracked most aggressively.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I would imagine it goes darker skin and male leaning.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Almost all correct.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You forgot working class and poor Black and brown working
class poor people get monitored, tracked more aggressively because of course. Meanwhile,
white visitors, because they're called visitors when they don't look
like us.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh yeah, imagine them visas work illegally.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No cuffs, no trackers, no mass raids, no mass deportations.
So just like homelessness, same blueprint isolate, surveil, exploit, and
let comfort protect the privileged. So what we can't do
is pretend it this new. This is the same movie
(06:48):
that we've seen over and over again, criminalizing unhoused people,
banning protesters, installing ankle cuffs on obedient immigrants, all tied together,
creating a system designed to punish the presence of marginalized
black and brown and poor people. We like to call
(07:09):
America this very, very free society, but you're not free
if you're not a part of the privileged class.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
So there's a little bit of truth before we move on.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Even if you do everything right, the state doesn't lift
a finger.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They tighten the shackle.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
If you're peaceful and docile and enrolled in this system,
you're tracked. And it doesn't matter that you've never broken
the law, because, as the great philosopher of Childish Gambino
once said, this is America, and unfortunately, compliance does not
earn you trust. In this case, it earns you tracking.
(07:51):
And that is the real definition of punishment.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
You know, what's crazy, too, is that we came across
that fact toid not too long ago, that immigrants commit
crimes at a lower rate, at a considerably lower rate
than indeed significantly lower rate.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Yeah, so it's crazy that they're going through the proper
channels to do everything the right way. They're not breaking laws.
These aren't the bad people that are getting deported, decent
folks doing what they gotta do to earn their citizenship.
And then that, you know, yeah, that's crazy. All right,
Moving on, Sashim dialogue about what's going on in the
(08:33):
United Kingdom. Okay, this is from CNN. The UK says
it will recognize a Palestinian state in September unless Israel
agrees to a ceasefire in Gaza. This is a lengthy article,
but I feel like it's all important, so bear with me.
I'm gonna get through it as quickly as i can.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I've always said that we will recognize a Palestinian state
as a contribution to a proper peace process at the
moment of maximum impact for the two state solution unquote,
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said in a press briefing
after a cabinet meeting on Tuesday. It was on to
say I can confirm the UK will recognize the state
of Palestine by the United Nations General Assembly in September
(09:14):
unless the Israeli government takes substantive, substantif steps, substantive steps
to end the appalling situation in Gaza, agree to a
cease fire and commit to a long term sustainable peace,
reviving the prospect of a two state solution unquote. Starmer
made the announcement one day after the UK leader said
the British public are revolted by images of people starving
(09:38):
in Gaza. Speaking alongside US President Donald Trump in Scotland,
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin NETANYAHUO said Starmer's decision quote rewards
Hamasa's monstrous terrorism.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
A jahadish state on Israel's border today will threaten Britain tomorrow.
Appeasement toward Jahadis terrorists will always fail.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
It will fail you too.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
It will not happen, Netnyahu said, according to a post
on x by his office on Tuesday. Is sorry, Israel's
Foreign ministry said the move harms efforts to implement a
ceasefire in Gaza and release the remaining hostages held in
the territory. Trump echoed some of Israel's criticism and said
he sees the UK's decision as rewarding Hamas, adding that
(10:24):
the US has no plans to follow suit. During his
address on Tuesdays, Starmer also repeated his demands of Hamas,
saying that the group must release all hostages, immediately, disarm,
sign up to a ceasefire, and except that they will
play no role in the government of Gaza. Starmer has
been facing mounting pressure from within his Labour party to
(10:47):
take a tougher line on Israel, made more acute after
Macrone's recent announcement that France would recognize a Palestinian state
in September, becoming the first G seven country to do
sou went back. Food Security Agency set on Tuesday that
the worst case scenario of famine is currently taking place
in the Gaza Strip, with more than twenty thousand children
(11:09):
admitted for treatment for acute malnutrition between April and mid July. Spain, Ireland,
and Norway recognized Palestinian statehood last year, but Otherean nations
have thus far proved stubbornly reluctant to formally recognize a
Palestinian state.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
You know, there's been a lot of people on the
ground speaking up for Palestine. There's been a lot of
activists speaking up for Palestine, even some people in government
speaking up for Palestine. But to have an actual government
step up and make a move that is significant and considerable,
(11:49):
I think that's a major development. And I usually say
that's not nothing, but this is actually something, what do
you think, you're cute?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Quite substantial, because the way that Palestine is spoken about
an international conversation is that of a territory only given
autonomy by Israel or the US saying so, and the
UK deciding to recognize them as a sovereign state. A
(12:22):
sovereign entity would bring them to the table as potentially
a member of the United Nations, which they are not,
would give them some some rights that I think people
assumed already existed, the way that international courts and international
(12:44):
bodies would have to show up on their behalf if
they were recognized in a more serious way by a
Western power. It's not just symbolic, it's politically strategic, and
it puts pressure on other countries to either follow suit
or stand opposed to the decision that they make, So
(13:06):
it doesn't necessarily create a Palestinian state. In practice, they
don't get to determine their borders or force Israel to
change its behavior. But it's a sort of diplomatic pressure
that doesn't exist currently because they are not, in a
lot of places recognized as a sovereign entity. So the UK,
(13:30):
for what people might think is making a political decision
here and acknowledging Palestina's legitimate nation with the right to
self governance, borders and international representation just like France or
Egypt or Italy is a really really big deal and
something that caught me off guard in a really refreshing way.
(13:51):
I think this is not an unpopular opinion. I don't
think they're the only place in the world that feels
this way. I think there are a lot of people
here that feel this way. I think there are a
lot of people all over the world watching what's happening
over there that are completely turned off by it. I
think even those who may have once upon a time
talked about Israel's rights to defend itself acknowledged that this
(14:13):
is way past self defense. It has gotten to be
gruesome and gross, and it's kind of openly recognized as
a genocide at this point.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
I don't even think that's a.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Controversial take anymore unless you're talking to Zionist or is
rarely loyalist to a point that they will not understand
or even give the humanity of Palestinians, even innocent civilians
who have nothing to do with the conflict, any worth,
any self determination or any autonomy. So this is a
(14:47):
bigger deal than the headline even suggests.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, and you know, this again, is something that we've
covered since it happened, and we've had conversation with people
who are able to defend Israel's position masterfully, and of
course we've had conversations with people who are able to
(15:13):
defend Palestine's position masterfully. You know, Amy Horwitz is a
friend of the show. He comes on all the time.
He's a conservative journalist and he is a Jewish Man,
and he spends a lot of time in Israel and
kind of knows the politics of that place. You might
see him on Fox News from time to time. And
(15:36):
you know, he was the first conversation we had after
October seventh, and then after that we had conversations with
a number of people who were Palestinian people. I mean,
they still are, but you know, we have Palestinian folks
come up on the show, people that know the land,
people that know the history of the land, people that
have a lot to say about it. And once you
(15:57):
get through all the noise, once you get through the
conversations where people are pointing the finger and say, oh,
they indoctrinate their children, because both sides say that. You know,
once you get through all of that stuff, you're still.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Left with the reality of the situation, which is people
are dying in mass in Palestine currently and have been
for some time, and.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
The majority of the world. I would say, certainly based
on data, because we have that conversation now. The data
may be a little old now, but I suspect it
has probably grown in support of what it is I'm
about to say. But the majority people in the world
want to see that genocide come to an end. The
(16:47):
majority people want to see a ceasefire. You know, Israel
has proven that it is indeed defended, It has responded,
It has ended more life then life was ended within
its own borders, right, And if it's a tit for tat,
they got a lot of tats. And so I think
(17:08):
the thrust of what a lot of people are pushing
for is just hey, stop and indeed, here you know,
one of the things that we learned about, because to
be fair, I didn't know head or tails of Israel
or palestein prior to October seventh, this which wasn't on
my radar, you know, it just was too far beyond
my reality. I deal with police shootings. I deal with
people in America, black people, you know, That's what I know.
(17:31):
But learning all this this stuff about, you know, the
these two countries, you realize how deep it goes. A
two state solution is something that we learned about in
short order, which seems to be at least something that
will end a lot of the back and forth over there.
(17:51):
And the fact that you know in Europe a lot
of these countries are moving to position Palestine to be
able to take advantage of that feels like it's worth
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