September 11, 2025. Charlie Kirk

Hosts Ramses Ja and Q Ward offer reflections on the death of controversial public speaker and author Charlie Kirk 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Well, first off, we'd like to thank you for tuning
into this special, unique edition of the QR Code. Man
on the microphone that you are about to hear from is.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
A person that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Helps me make sense, helps me remain measured, helps me
remain grounded in moments where my spirit is upset, and
I appreciate him for that. He's the reason why we're
even able to have this conversation today. He's the qu
in the QR code goes by the name of q Ward.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
What you just heard is the R in the QR code,
he goes by the name ramses Joh. I often say
the captain of this ship. I mean, in all sincessarity,
the hope when there's hope and this pairing in this
show and in this world. As far as I'm concerned,
most of the time it comes from him. We do

(01:13):
a lot of really really hard shows. This one it's
unexpectedly yea harder yeah than usual.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm not sure if you can tell by the microphones,
but we are on the road and creating this episode.
This isn't as soon as we could get to the studio.
We had to really sit with today.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Earlier in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Of course, as you may know, we found out that
the conservative podcaster and author and media pundon and MAGA
figurehead Charlie Kirk was assassinated while he spoke to a
college campus, and we've been processing that. One of the

(02:14):
things that one of the things that our position, I
guess in radio and with this show in particular, is
that we don't need to rush to social media as
soon as something happens to get the clicks and to
get the whatever the cloud or you know, we're very

(02:39):
fortunate in that our life does not revolve around that,
so we don't have to like take advantage of grotesque
moments like this one.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
To elevate our profiles. We can.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Be human beings, and we have enough time and enough
runway to find our humanity and kind of gather our
initial thoughts as opposed to just reacting immediately for the
sake of clicks. And so this comes after a long
day of kind of sitting with it, mulling over it.

(03:14):
Q and I we haven't yet had a full conversation
about this, and our hope was that we would preserve
enough of our thoughts to have the conversation, you know,
for your benefit, if this was something that you're celebrating.
If this is something that also disturbed you, if this
is something that you know you're still trying to make

(03:37):
sense of, you know, hopefully you can. You'll be able
to appreciate the fact that we took time and we
were able to kind of find our humanity in the equation.
Find the humanity and the equation, i should say, and not.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Just spout off.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
So we're going to do our best, you know, from
Los Angeles, So thank you for checking it out. I'll
get right into it for folks that don't know, of course,
set the stage just comes from the Wall Street Journal.
I'm just gonna skip down to the part that you know,

(04:17):
kind of paints the picture.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Obviously.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Again, Charlie Kirk was on a college campus in Utah,
but from.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
The Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Kirk took the stage around noon local time in a
courtyard and was seated beneath a small tent, presumably to
shield him from the mountain sun on an eighty six
degree day and the sea of thousands that surrounded him.
The maga hats and attire were plentiful. Some students crane
from nearby buildings to get a look. Excuse me on
the table before Kirk were MAGA and forty seven forty

(04:47):
seven hats, the latter of reference to President Trump. Standing
behind him were what appeared to be security agents. Not
long into the session, an audience member appeared to challenge
Kirk about trans issues. Quote, do you know how many
transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last ten years?
Kirk was asked, in reference to a recent shooting in

(05:10):
Minneapolis in which the suspect identified as a transgender woman.
Too many, Kirk replied, and the crowd whooped with delight. Five,
the audience member said, answering his own question. Now, five
is a lot, right, I'm going to give you some credit.
Then he asked, do you know how many mass shooters
there have been in America over the last ten years?

(05:33):
Counting or not counting gang violence? Kirk asked, sitting back
in his chair. Then as he lowered the microphone, a
shot rang out. There was juttering. There was a juttering
instance sorry, in which Kirk recoiled before slumping to his left.
Blood sprayed from his neck. Chaos and screams erupted. That's

(05:55):
really all I need to show, so I'll go first.
I was sitting in my car. I was sitting in
Qu's car. Actually, I said lax, and a friend of
mine who was in Hawaii said, you know, Charlie Kirk

(06:19):
was shot. He might be dead. And she's like, I
don't know if it's a rumor or not, but that's
what I'm hearing. And so immediately I'm like, Okay, this
is something I need to know about. So I go
and check out, you know, my new sources, my journalistically
credible news sources, and indeed, Charlie Kirk had been shot.

(06:46):
And then I decided, I don't know why I did this.
It was like the worst decision that I've made and
probably six months, but I decided, you know what, let
me see this video. And although I knew what I

(07:07):
was getting into, I tried to creep very slowly toward
this because I didn't want to see something that I
couldn't unseen, and unfortunately I ended up seeing something that
I can't unsee. I don't recommend the video if you
haven't yet seen it. If you're a human being, that's

(07:28):
really it. It's not good for you to see that,
you know, I told Q. I was like, yo, that
like makes me want to cry, and you know, Q
will tell you kind of how he came about this information.
But I guess the first thing I'll say is that, obviously,

(07:50):
Charlie Kirk is a person that I believe is wrong
on just about everything. He's a person that I believe
has caused a lot of harm to this country. I
believe that he has sown division where no division needs
to be sown. I believe that he's shown himself to
be a white supremacist and has done that song and

(08:12):
dance of skating the line where you have the sort
of plausible deniability. But indeed, you know, his sentiments mirror
those of white supremacists, white supremacists, and so this man
was dangerous to me and to my children into my future.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
This man was.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
You know, all of the things that that we push
back against, those are facts, but critically, this was a man.
And people can change. I mean a lot of them don't,
but they can change. People can be punished. People can

(09:00):
maybe they don't change, but they can learn new things.
People can you know, be reformed through punishment. There's there's
a lot of things that can happen. But to see
a person's life end, you know, really standing up for
I guess the thing that took his life, to see
how wrong he was in his final moments, and to

(09:21):
have him succumb in that way, and it's just graphic
and it's awful, like it's disturbed, like it'll be in
my spirit. I don't know how I was to say
I saw a man, I saw a man lose his life.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Today it's like the like I didn't.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I don't wish that on him, Like I think I
mentioned earlier Q, Like if I had gotten the news,
like hey, Charlie Kirk passed away from an illness that
no one knew about, you know, I could reflect on
the reality of the situation exclusively. Charlie Kirk has caused
a lot of harm to this country. Charlie Kirk stood

(10:02):
for everything that makes life for people like me and
people I love and marginalize people way more challenging. And
you know, there's probably an easier path to the sort
of fellowship that I believe can't exist in this country
without Charlie Kirk. But to see him snuffed out, it's

(10:30):
just awful. And then I think my brain goes to, well, shoot, man,
I guess everybody deserves the chance to find their way,
you know, I guess you see the lessons that people
try to teach you in the Bible about how you know,
sinners can sin and sin and sin, and then when
they find their way, then all is forgiven, you know,

(10:50):
it's until it's not. That's always a possibility, and when
you see someone lose their life, it's no longer a possibility.
And then I think that you feel the kindred spirit,
you know, that's that language. I'm trying to use something
that sounds better. But he is a spirit of the
same stuff, of the same source origin, source material, source

(11:15):
coding as me. And it's sad, and you would expect
for me to just say, well, you know, the path
is easier now, and and it's just I'm just thinking
about how like it's like people like him got us here,

(11:41):
and I wish that he didn't. And I also wish
that he was alive. I wish he could see that
moment and realize that it was coming and then change
his ways. And it's just death is just so permanent
and there's no redemption. He was brilliant, he was a
misguided you know, And I don't want to apologize for him.

(12:01):
I don't want to make him into something that he's not.
But I just don't like the idea of the permanence
of death, and I don't like the idea of that
particular form of violence.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Period.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I don't, I don't, I don't. Again, these are still
early reactions, not my initial reaction, but early reactions. But
it's I'm just so disturbed by it. It's so upsetting,
and the easiest way I could say it before I
give it to you, Q is a human being lost?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Is life today?

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I saw it happen, and I don't, you know, regardless
of what the circumstances surrounding it, It's it's very sad
and I think I'm having a human reaction to that.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
You know, the the best I can say, So.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Talk to me about I guess how you found out
and what you learned, and then I guess talk us
up to this point.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
I think I want to start from a different place, Okay.
I want to work backwards from a takeaway that you
and I had long before, Charlie Kirk, long before the

(13:19):
most recent mass shooting at the school where children were
killed while they were praying. We had to take away
a long time ago, even before we were on air
talking about these things and our country came to a

(13:40):
conclusion years ago that capitalism and profits were worth children
being murdered, and they made that decision loud and clear.
We pretend our country didn't make that choice, but it
did it. And we pretend that because of two A,

(14:05):
the Second Amendment, that there's nothing we can do to
curb this unquenchable thirst that our country seems to have
for gun violence. So some of these things Rams has
actually taught me. Others because of lessons that Rams has

(14:28):
taught me, led me to do my own research. Nineteen
ninety six Australia Port Arthur massacre. This is the thing
that Rams has taught me that led to me going
down a rabbit hole Port Arthur, Tasmania. Thirty five people dead,

(14:55):
twenty three wounded. Australia's response to this within twelve days.
Twelve days, a Conservative prime minister by the name of
John Howard passed the National Firearms Agreement. They banned semi

(15:18):
automatic and automatic rifles. They required nationwide gun registration for
all gun owners, and instituted strict licensing rules, like you
had to prove a genuine reason to have a gun.
Self defense did not qualify. They also launched a buyback

(15:40):
program and six hundred and fifty thousand guns were destroyed.
In the decades since, Australia has not had another mass
shooting of scale. Firearm homicide and suicide rates also dropped dramatically.

(16:01):
Studies show that these things dropped by nearly fifty percent
in the years after but thoughts and prayers also In
nineteen ninety six in the United Kingdom, the Dunblane school shooting,
a gunman killed sixteen children and one teacher at a

(16:23):
primary school in Scotland. The response public outrage led to
Parliament banning private ownership of handguns outright. The Firearm Amendment
Act in nineteen ninety seven, passed under a Conservative government,
then tightened further by labor the impact The UK has

(16:50):
some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Mass
shootings virtually nonexistent, firearm related deaths extremely low, especially in
comparison to the United States. Twenty nineteen christ Church Mosque,

(17:12):
New Zealand, white supremacist gunmen killed fifty one worshipers within weeks.
The Prime Minister just Send Ardern pushed through a ban
on military style semi automatic weapons and launched a national

(17:33):
buyback program where tens of thousands of weapons were surrendered.
The impact broad compliance, strong public support, and a significant
tightening of access to high capacity weapons. No as in
zero major shootings since then. In nineteen eighty nine and

(17:56):
again in twenty twenty in Canada the Eco Polytechnic massacre
in eighty nine to Nova Scotia shooting in twenty twenty.
In nineteen eighty nine, a gunman killed fourteen women in Montreal,
and twenty twenty a gunman killed twenty two people in
Nova Scotia. And response, Canada steadily tightened its own gun laws,

(18:22):
introducing background checks, training requirements, and a ban on military
style weapons. After twenty twenty, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau immediately
banned fifteen hundred different models of assault style firearms and
introduced a buyback firearm. Homicide rates in Canada are a

(18:42):
fraction of US levels. Mass shootings almost never In Norway.
In twenty eleven, a far right extremist and you might
start to hear or notice a pattern with the gunmen.

(19:05):
In these cases. A far right extremist killed seventy seven people,
most of them youth, at a summer camp. This is
in Utoya Island's the Norway Norway tightened already strict gun laws,
banned semi automatic rifles in twenty eighteen, and further strengthened

(19:29):
background checks and ownership rules. Norway actually has relatively high
gun ownership, but gun violence rates are amongst the lowest
in the world. This is a good example because they
didn't even sweepingly ban guns. They just made it far

(19:51):
more difficult to own one, strengthen background checks and created
rules for owners and banned semi automatic rifles, which are
not necessary for hunting, as they try to claim. Here.
The takeaway and every one of these cases, mass shooting

(20:17):
led to swift reform, led to a sharp, significant drop,
and gun violence leaders didn't just shrug and say, hey,
there's nothing we can do here. They acted. These results
prove that it works. Meanwhile, here we've had more mass

(20:37):
shootings than days in the year, and our leaders keep
offering thoughts and prayers while blocking reform. That's not inevitability.
That is a political choice, which brings me to today. Now.

(21:10):
My brother witnessed what happened to Charlie Kirk, so his
response and reaction was a very human one. I believe
he reacted the way any human should react. Watching the

(21:32):
life snuffed out from another human being. It should never
be something that we celebrate. It should always be something
that shocks you to your core. I don't believe it's
natural for so little effort to be put into taking
the life of someone, or for people to jump up

(21:56):
and down and applaud when someone's life. I cannot, however,
shrink my perspective to the very human reaction of watching
someone being killed, and remove all the nuance, and remove
all the details of who this happened to and the

(22:22):
country where it happened. Provocation, selective mourning, and the empty
moral authority of our government and those in power. This
one is bigger than one man. This is about, once again,

(22:48):
the hypocrisy of the right, and on this particular topic,
we're talking about gun violence and gun reform, a lack
of action by the entirety of our government, selective morality,
and violence that defines this moment in history. Charlie Kirk,

(23:15):
the founder of Turning Point USA, made a career out
of being a provocateur. He wasn't a peacemaker, he wasn't
a healer. He actually thrived on division, pushed and amplified
culture wars, mocked the vulnerable, fought vehemently against gun control

(23:43):
and insisted that some deaths are worth it if it
meant protecting his Second Amendment right. And now Charlie Kirk
has become a victim of the very epidemic that he
worked so hard to uphold. Gun violence ended his life,

(24:07):
the very same gun violence that he aggressively defended. We
now watch as those who lead our country show extreme
reverence for a podcaster, President Trump ordering flags at half
staff for Charlie Kirk. Speaker Mike Johnson called for prayers,

(24:31):
maga figures, Demand respect, demand reverence, Demand that we are
collectively solemn. You guys can't see my face, but if
you can hear my tone, let me share a little
bit more to make that make sense for you. Why

(24:54):
I sound so annoyed by it. When Pope Francis died,
Trump mocked him and called him a globalist. He wasn't solemn.
There was no half staff of the flag. When President

(25:17):
Jimmy Carter passed after decades of humanitarian work building homes,
eradicating disease, Trump brushed him aside as weak again. Flags
not at half mass, No honors for the Pope or

(25:40):
the president. Democratic lawmakers recently assassinated by a MAGA supporter,
a direct consequence of this poisoned political climate. No call
for national mourning, no talks at all, I believe from
our president with respect or reverence for those people, complete

(26:04):
silence from the Speaker and from MAGA. But for Charlie Kirk,
the flags fall. For Charlie Kirk, there should be solidarity,
respect and reverence. Once again, selective morality, selective empathy. I

(26:31):
have to admit my stomach hurts talking about this, this
double standard that we've continued to allow, and that tens
of millions of our fellow Americans have subscribed to, voted for,
cheer for, and amplify children killed in schools, thoughts and prayers,

(26:53):
but no policy. Black citizens murdered by police, the narrative
shifts to defending the officers instead of honoring their life.
When immigrants are shot down, they are dehumanized, not mourned,
but one of their own guys, especially a loyalist like

(27:14):
Charlie Kirk, Suddenly empathy overflows. The same leaders who just
brushed off tragedy are now demanding that the entire nation
paused to honor one man who spent his entire career,
dismissing the very pain we are forced to carry every

(27:37):
single day. We should all pause for him. And this
is not just about what's happening here, but let's have
a conversation about what's happening abroad, because this hypocrisy stretches
across the globe. Thousands, hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands

(28:01):
of Palestinians, including children buried under rubble in Gaza, lives
erased by American funded bombs, Entire families wiped out, and

(28:23):
the same leaders who lower the flag for Charlie Kirk
silent or ramses worse, they justify it. Yes, no half
masks for those children. Where's the reference for those innocents
that are lost abroad? As we claim the moral authority

(28:46):
globally does, our empathy stop at the edges of our beaches.
This is what empty moral authority looks like. Because lowering
a flag for Charlie Kirk doesn't cost anything, Passing common

(29:11):
sense gun reform would hurt their checking accounts, It would
cost them political courage that we know they don't have
a social media post costs nothing. Policy change, however, is
very expensive, so our leaders, as usual, lean on symbols

(29:37):
and empty rhetoric, moments of silence, lowered flags, empty gestures,
while doing nothing to stop the violence that defines our
lives at home and abroad. My eyes welling up with tears,
my stomach hurting, my voice feeling like it's about to

(29:57):
leave me, because we cannot lose sight of the irony here.
Charlie Kirk was not neutral. He built his influence by
ridiculing movements for justice, by amplifying the already on fire

(30:20):
culture wars in this country. He dehumanized LGBTQ plus youth.
He dehumanized black activists, immigrants, Palestinians, anyone who didn't fit
in his narrative. He condemned gun control as weakness. He

(30:44):
insisted that the deaths of strangers were worth the cost
of keeping guns unchecked, and now in death to be
honored with reverence denied to the very communities he dismisses,

(31:07):
or that he dismissed. The irony is so heavy, the
hypocrisy that we have to just ignore and accept. You
can't lower the flag for Charlie Kirk when you mocked

(31:29):
Pope Francis. You can't demand reverence for a provocateur while
brushing aside the life of the late President Jimmy Carter.
You can't mourn a conservative influencer while staying silent when
a Democratic law lawmaker I'm sorry, is murdered by your

(31:53):
own base. You can't pretend to value life when you
call for the death penalty for some victims while ignoring
Black lives that are lost to police violence every day,
Immigrant lives lost at the border, or Palestinian lives erased

(32:17):
by bombs, selective mourning, selective justice, selective morality rams. This
is not leadership, This is not These are not good people.
This is a performance. Charlie Kirk is a human being

(32:42):
whose life was taken, and there's no opinion that he
would have shared that would have made him deserve that.
But because his life was taken, we cannot ignore who
the man was, how the man thought, what the man shared.
He thrived on division, and now in death has exposed

(33:10):
the hollowness of the movement that he championed. You want
to actually honor his death, those who pretend to care
about him. Stop cherry picking who is worthy of being mourned.

(33:30):
Stop cherry picking who is worthy of reverence and respect
and death. You want to pretend to be the authority
on morality, start by protecting everyone here and around the world.

(33:54):
Until then, I will not pretend with you that this
was the tragedy that deserves solidarity, of reverence and the
lowering of a flag when you didn't know such thing.
When those children were killed while they prayed.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
It's funny because the world is.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
A little, well, it feels a little less safe. I'm
sure it was always this unsafe, but it just feels
that way. And again the irony is that his last
words were, you know, kind of invoking further racial division.

(34:49):
He was trying to compare. He was talking about mass
shooting events and gun incidents, and I guess the person
who was asked and the question was trying to point
out the fact that because these these campus tours, they're
called like prove me wrong or something like that. So

(35:10):
he goes there and he tries to get people that
don't agree with him two prove him wrong basically is
what it is. And he's a great debater, and he's
not a he's a smart person. I don't believe that
he's morally he was morally in tune with the arc

(35:34):
of the universe. But you know, there are smart people
who are morally in tune with the universe, the moral
arc of the universe, and they're smart people who have
a different idea of what morality should look like. In
any event, it's just so odd that he was being

(35:56):
asked about, you know, trans mass shooters. The point us
there were five trans mass shooters on record in this
country's history, and there were, like I guess the point
is that there were thousands of mass shooters and only
five of them were trans.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
And so to legislate or to try to ban.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Trans people from owning guns when trans people are already
a very vulnerable population, you know, there's they're subject to
attacks and bullying and all.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
That sort of stuff.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
But I guess the point that this person might have
been trying to make, which is, you know, I think
a valid point is that how is it that you're
able to ignore all of these other mass shooting incidents
to focus on these outliers and try to build a.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Case against them.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
And Charlie Kirk said, well, when he's trying to quantify
how many mass shooter shootings there were overall outside of
the five that were done by trans folks, he's he
invoked like kind of the snarky response does this include

(37:04):
gang violence or not? Which is again, that's something that
is I think it's intellectually dishonest and morally bankrupt. The
fact is that, you know, gang violence is a problem,
but it's a separate conversation. Gang violence isn't indiscriminate. Gang

(37:27):
members are looking for other gang members. Gang members are
fighting and shooting at other gang members. It's targeted. Mass
shooting incidents in the way we think of them are indiscriminate.
We just go into a crowd and someone in the
crowd brought a gun and start shooting everybody because they're hurting,
or because they're angry, or because they're you know, radicalized,
or whatever their situation is. It's very it's a different

(37:50):
type of attack. The people that are being attacked are
innocent people, you know, talking about children and talking about
old ladies or people that get body parts ripped off
of them and you know whatever. As gang violence is
like gang members fighting gang members for the most part.

(38:13):
And so for this to be the last thing he's
talking about, that's the last word he said in his
life having a gun conversation about gun violence in this country.
After having stood on that to your point, Q the
whole time, that irony is just crazy, and the scene,

(38:38):
if I'm being honest, it's heartbreaking. It's like you just want,
if anything, you want somebody to figure it out. You
don't want them to lose their life. I don't want
to talk in circles. So you know, maybe you can
bring us home.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Cue. I don't know that I can bring us home
on this one. This is yeah, you know, I just
want to add to what you were just saying, because
most mass shooters are not fully indiscriminate. Yeah, yeah, I

(39:15):
know what you mean. They're targeting black people, brown people,
muscle people and LGBTQ pan absolutely, So it's important to
point out that again, the victims are people that he
has no problem with them being the victims. It's it's
it's it's it means to an end, it's it's it's

(39:37):
you know the costs of doing business if you will,
and it's just impossible to know that. And I believe
the comment about does this include or exclude gang violence
might have been his actual last words.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yeah, put the mic there, and it was just.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
To the last breath, he was the same person. Yeah,
as difficult as it is, and as as much as
his family those that love him deserve your thoughts and prayers.
They deserve so much more. Even his friends and family

(40:25):
deserve so much more than that these empty moral peacock
moments where they parade around like they care and make
these empty, hollow, symbolic gestures that don't change anything. You
really want to honor that man, for those of you
who support him and who are posting your condolences and

(40:49):
rest in pieces for a provocateur, divisive, homophobic, white supremacist,
make some actual change, Make some actual decisions that will
lead to outcomes like this not being something that happened

(41:13):
faster than the calendar can count the days. Yeah, so
I don't know that I can bring us home because
I don't have much more than that. At what point
do we actually do something? Well?

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I hope it's soon, but I don't think after Sandy Hook,
I don't I know not to hold my breath. So
I think we just we all, especially those of us
that kind of work in this space, in the media space,
you know, we all kind of have to just take

(41:55):
this one on the chin. You know, I didn't think
that when we so doing civic side for five years
ago that we end up getting death threats ourselves and
see people that work in the same space as us
actually lose their life. And you know, I don't believe

(42:16):
that we I know that we don't sew division and
hatred and that sort of thing, but you know, there's
so many people that are so deep in their worldview
that you know, maybe they don't know what division looks
like anymore. Anything that doesn't reflect their reality feels like division.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
And I mean it's also important to point out ramses
that for those people, the things that we demand do
feel like hatred and oppression and division. US asking for
equity to them feels like they're being oppressed.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
So a very sobering thing that you just caused me
to think about. We are very very visible in this
space that we're in, and as I said before, this
president has made the world less safe for us, immeasurably

(43:18):
less safe for black and brown people, and something like
this happening to a loud, very public facing white supremacist
influencer also makes life exponentially more dangerous for us.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well said, well, we're here and this actually is one
of those moments where we would appreciate you know, your response,
your words of encouragement, your thoughts, your takes. You know,
I I don't know if I would have imagined that

(44:02):
this would be my reaction here, but now that I'm
in it, this is definitely my reaction. A human being
lost his life and I saw it. I don't think
I've said anything that wasn't factual on this program.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
But I think the thing that I.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Feel like in closing, I think the thing that's the
most like pronounced feeling emotion is that I wish that
that didn't happen. I wish something would have happened that
would have I wish we were seeing like the ghost
of Christmas future or something instead of what actually happened.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
And now it's in the history books.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
I wish he could have seen his own ghost of
Christmas future and rounded that corner.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
The irony is.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Just devastating and heartbreaking, because again, people can change. He
just didn't in enough time. And here we are so
as always, you can use the red microphone talk back.
You're on the iHeartRadio app. You can find me on
all social media at Rams's job.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
I am Qward on a social media.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
As well, and if you want to talk to both
of us or leave a kind comment. You can find
us pretty much anywhere at Civic Cipher and we'll be
back to talk to you

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Soon, so until then, y'all,