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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And now part two of our three part conversation with
suzann Ya Teams, Palestinian, American activist, actor, and former miss
arab USA discussing Palestine one year into the war and
keeping Palestine in mind while voting. This is the Black
Information Network Daily Podcast with your hosts ramsas Jah and
q Ward. So another thing that you mentioned earlier in
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the conversation, I forget what we were talking about, but
you said something that stood out in my mind. You said,
single voter issue. And one of the things that has
changed over the past year is US learning exactly where
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Israel gets their weapons from.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, get them from US.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Seventy percent of Israel's weapons come from the United States
the whole time We've been supplying Israel with weapons, which
is why we are often left off of those lists
of countries supporting free Palestine, and we're often voting against
Palestinian interests in you know, global global voting forums for
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for different things, the U N and so forth. As
a country, we're often voting against Palestinian interest in for
Israeli interests, despite there being an active genocide on the
ground there. We've in the past year heard a lot
of double speak politically, you know, people talking out of
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both sides of their mouth. And we learned, you know,
as Q mentioned that Joe Biden, you know, is a Zionist.
You know, despite what he said at a State of
the Union address, he's a self proclaimed proclaimed Zionist, and
he's been.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
For a long time.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
By the way, like I know you're recently said you
heard him say he's a Zionist, but I remember him
having dark hair.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The first time I heard him say it. I was
very young, so might have been a video. I don't
even know if I was alive at the time. But
he has said.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Years and years and years ago, decades ago, that he's
a Zionist.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
This is nothing new, It's.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
It's an interesting thing to juxtapose him saying it now.
This is an interesting time to like proudly stand on
that position.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's a strong stance, YEA take.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
That's why it stood out to me.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
So no matter your position, right, And I think this
is kind of a we spoke of privilege. I think
it's a privilege to have grown up in Detroit, Michigan.
We have the largest concentration of Arab speaking people in
the United States. So the nine to eleven they couldn't
other Arab people to me, I knew too many of them. Yeah,
my mom's friends from work, or people at the bowling
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alley I went to as a child who took me
to baseball game and treated like family, Like you couldn't
other Muslim or Arab speaking Christians to me. The church
across the street from my church was a Kaldian church.
All of the members there did not None of the
members there looked like me.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
None of the members there spoke like me.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But when we came out of our churches, we hugged,
we fellowshipped, so I didn't have to go through that
kind of No one could brainwash me into thinking that
just because a person worshiped that way and dressed that way,
spoke or spoke that language, that they were automatically bad.
But so many people immediately raised their American flag and
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looked at Muslim and Arab people as bad because that
was kind of what they were told and taught to do.
So when we get to the position that we're in now,
we didn't have to be scholars to just keep seeing
what we were seeing and realized that it was awful.
We didn't have to be more educated we didn't have
to learn more about the history. Knowing none of the history,
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you can look at that and see that what's going
on is wrong. So to end that moment plant that
flag was like whoa, yeah, yeah, a video of him
doing it years ago. I could have looked at that
video and thought to myself, well, maybe you know.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Back in the day he thought that was the right
move because a.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Lot of people were tripping thirty years ago. Maybe today,
even with his support of their government, he can say
that he was tripping. No, he stood on that, and wow,
like it hit me. It almost physically hit me. I
was like, whoa, Like, that's a right. Now is an
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interesting time to make that point to stand on that.
So it is a really really difficult thing to be
a citizen of this country.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
When you look like us.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
So this is kind of where I'm going with that,
because you know, with the single voter issue, with the
things that we've seen in the political arena that have
taken place over the past year, the most prominent of
which is Joe Biden deciding that he's not going to
seek reelection and Kamala Harris now being the Democratic Party's
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nominee for president. That introduces some new dynamics to the equation.
Kamala Harris is a part of the same political system
that black people historically have looked at as oppressive, but
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at the same time, she represents an evolution of that
same system to a lot of people because she's.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
A She's Indian and black us both.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
And so there are black women who look at her
being from Oakland, California, where she was born, her going
to a historically black college, her pledging to a historically
black fraternity, and carrying those things with her throughout her career.
There are black women who look at that and say, Okay,
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we can be excited about this moment. You know, this
isn't the moment that really there was not a lot
of people that asked for this moment, but this is
the moment we're at, and some people have found a
way to be excited about it. The thing is, I
know that while the Harris administration, the Harris Walls administration,
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could be a different administration from the Biden Harris administration,
the one commonalty is the word Harris, and that's who
we're talking about today. So we're here to have an
honest conversation with our sister and we hope that you
feel as empowered to say the things that are right
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for you to say in this moment. I guess the
simplest question I want to ask is what was it like?
Was there any positive or was it negative? You know,
what was it like when Kamala Harris ascended to the
top of the Democratic Party's ticket.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Uh, wildly frustrating. It felt like everybody had amnesia and
they suddenly forgot everything the Democratic Party had done that
she represents, And there's nothing about her words that suggests
that she was going to do anything otherwise, particularly if
you see where the money is coming from, which, at
the end of the day is what it's all about.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
So so when you say where the money is coming from, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So she's thank you.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So she's she gets so much money from the American
Israel lobby group called APAP, which, as I will always say,
they should be designated as a foreign agent because they
only do things they are able to to create laws
in the United States that only benefit the state of Israel,
such as anti boycott laws.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
It's wild. It's in Arizona, yea, they do.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
It's in over thirty states where if you are working
in the public sector. You have to sign a document
saying that you will not you will not boycott the
state of Israel. And that is a wild infringement on
our freedom of speech, like wild the fact that you
want to tell me what I can and can't do
with my money and what I can and can't say
as an American. Really, I mean, they're just really quietly
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stripping away our rights. And it's APAC that's doing it,
APAC funds. He's they've given more money to I think
pretty sure, to Kamala than they have to Trump. So
and again that's not saying Trump's the good guy. I'm
just saying that that's how influentz So they are to
her and her campaign. It's very scary to think, okay,
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but let's just elect the lesser of two evils and
then we'll really work. Because the hardest a politician works
for us is when they're running. Once they're elected, you've
given them all the power and they can do whatever
they want. So it's really scary to hold out hope
that it's all going to happen after when this is
the time where they're supposed to really earn, really work
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for our vote. So to give them all that power
later and be like, okay, but do right by us
right feels very very scary, and I don't want to
hope for that, especially when she's not given any indication
that she would do right by Palestinians and by the
genocide that she's complicit in. You've said, you mentioned her
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comments on the right to self determination. People talk of
politicians talk about that all the time. They say there
should be a two states.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
What does that mean?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
So right now, if you were to look at a
map of Palestine, Israel occupies most of it, and then
there's the Gaza Strip in the West Bank, and there's
about fifty miles in between them. I mean, it's not far.
When I was there, I was fifty two miles from
Gaza City. It was crazy to think about. So allegedly,
allegedly we would get the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.
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They completely annihilated the West Bank or sorry, the Gaza Strip.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
So that's a part of our home that we don't have.
And then in the West Bank.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
They're supposed to give it, to give us all of it,
but they didn't.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
They took they created.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
First of all, there's the apartheid Wall. It's bigger than
the Berlin Wall, and it weaves through the West Bank.
It's not on the border as it should be. There
shouldn't be a wall, but if it were to be
a wall, it should be on the border, and it's not.
They've weaved through and they've taken. They've split the West
Bank into three areas. It's called Area AB and see
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Area C is completely under Israeli control. Area B is
under Israeli control with some authority from the Palestinian authority
to kind of like run things. And then Area A
is full Palestinian authority control. And it's very little. So
if you again, if you were to pull up a
picture of the West Bank and you see it, you
see it spotted a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
This is why they call it the occupied with yes.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
And then the reason it's occupied is because they've taken,
which is a breach of international law. If you are
an occupying power, you are not allowed to bring your
citizens onto the land to live. They've brought Israelis from
inside of what is now Israel proper into the settlements,
and so they've built these giant settlements on stolen land.
How are we supposed to have our own state? When
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snaked in and around throughout the entire West Bank are
giant pockets of these huge settlements with Israeli only roads.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
And who's supposed to enforce these international laws that are
being broken.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
You have to be a good citizen, so like the
State of Israel should just is supposed to like all
states just go, oh, this is a violation of international law.
Air go, we won't do it.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
When a nation breaks the international there's.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Really nothing you can do unless that government. Like there's
been a few war criminals in Africa, of course it's
the Africans. It's a few war criminals in Africa who've
like been tried in the Hague for war crimes.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
But it's you. They're not allowed to there's no.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Like force like a police force in police force. Yeah,
there's UN peacekeeping teams, but they have to be invited
by the country. So the UN has tried to I know,
it's it's it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
Laws are useless, correct.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
So unless it's like we're asking you know, good faith
partners here, and with the State of Israel, there's nothing.
There's no good faith in them at all. So they
don't care that they violate international law. They really don't care,
there's no way to enforce it. So that's why we
need countries to do sanctions and embargoes and boycotts and
things like that, like we did with South Africa, because
that's how we overturn South Africa. That's why the boycott
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thing was such a big deal when they took those laws,
when they put those laws in practice here in the US,
the anti boycott laws, because they saw, oh my god,
when you boycott, look what's happened. Look what happened in
South Africa. They knew it was powerful, and they were
so terrified that uh Natan Yahoo, the Prime Minister of Israel,
actually bragged about how they were able to pass those
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laws here.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
So how about this for people that feel like, okay,
this is a complicated issue, for people that have been
paying attention to the plight of the folks in Palestine
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but also engage politically in this country. When they say, well,
you know, Kamala Harris has been intentional with you know,
some of her speeches about Palestine and what's necessary in Palestine.
When they say that, and they say that Trump hasn't
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said really anything at all that would be considered beneficial
to the Palestinian play. What do you say to those
people who are looking for I don't think how about this?
I want you to go. But for a person who says, okay,
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I rock with Palestine Palaestinie people, this is necessary. I
see the war machine. I see where the money comes from,
I see where the weapons. One of these two is
going to be elected. And I don't want to forget that.
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I was just standing shoulder to shoulder with my Palestinian
brothers and sisters, but I got to cast a vote.
Talk to us about what you want that person to consider?
Speaker 5 (15:03):
What you know?
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You see how challenging that is.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, okay, I don't give This.
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Speaker 3 (15:40):
There are elements of this that are very black and white,
and there are elements of it that are complicated, and
that's actually I'd use the word messy more than complicated.
It's just messy because you're integrating multiple countries, you're integrating
multiple people, and everybody has their own struggles.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I get that.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
When this is a rhetorical question, but when is enough enough?
There are things happening in the worlds that we that
are really bad and we should be concerned about, but
we are not actively complicit in Like our text dollars
aren't going there. I'm sure somewhere you know the CIA
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is doing something, but our tax dollars are not going
to these places where these things are happening. In this case,
if we were to stop funding the genocide, we as Americans,
the genocide would stop. So what will happen in America?
Or when will our hearts be so.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Broken up.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
That we go, Okay, it's really time for complete revolution
and a complete change. And the two party system doesn't
work and we know that, but we don't know it
enough to actually do something about it.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
We don't.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
We're not We're so tired. We're so tired, and right
now we just want to survive. And that's so dangerous
and it's right where they want us.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So how about this.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
When you say do something about it, Yeah, do something
about it. It's time for us to do something about it.
What if you had a magic wand and you could
make everybody do something and they would all listen to
What does that look like? Because I don't know. It's
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hard for me to conceive of. Like I get, we
should all do something. A lot of people would agree,
But what is it? What actionable thing would you love?
Speaker 3 (17:39):
There's so many things if we're just talking about the election,
and look, you guys, I'm just one Palestinian girl who
enjoys being on camera. Like I mean, I can do it.
I can put words together more or less. It's that
in of its own is really stressful because I don't
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have all the answers. I'm just one person who's lived
this and it's trying to figure out how to make
it better. And that's really hard. If I do vote
in voting for Jill Stein. She's a doctor, she's.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Jewish, she's running for president.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
She's running for president. She's in the Green Party, which
people scoff at and laugh at, and I get, But
why do people scoff and laugh Because we've created it
that way, because we've led you to believe that these
are your only two options, and to throw your vote
to this person means you're throwing away your vote completely.
And we say all that, and it keeps us oppressed.
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We talk about Palestinians living under oppression, yeah, physically physically,
but they are not the ones that are spiritually and
mentally oppressed. It's here we live under oppression because we
think we can't do anything and that we're stuck in
the system and we don't even realize it. And so again,
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what is it going to take for us to break
that system and expect that our leaders are going to
listen to us? Is just insane. So I'm voting for
Jill Stein because I just want to get as many
people to do that as possible. Even if she doesn't win,
will it show that her opinions and therefore our opinions
are really strong and actually require more notice. It's not
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a perfect answer. I don't have a perfect answer because
I feel like I'm going up against a lot. I'm
going up against people who are so terrified of Trump
that they're going to vote for Kamala even though again
she's the one funding the genocide. So I feel really
trapped and trying to figure out, like what an answer
is that is actually feasible, because I get what you're saying, Quentin,
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I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
I think you said something earlier that is absolutely true.
It is far more difficult to get a candidate to
act in your best interest.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
After you've elected them.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
The very unique set of circumstances with this election is timing.
We are less than a year from I think, something
that we collectively called in awakening with regards to Palestine
and Palestinian people and enlightenment and enlightenment of people who
really had no idea what was going on there, even
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though I've seen young people saying free Palestine for years now,
and even then I didn't understand the why, but I
could see who these young, creative, beautiful people were, so
I knew something that they were talking about was righteous.
When I talk about the timing, there are seventy five
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million people in this country that religiously support Donald Trump.
Is that the number those are people that cast a vote.
It's probably a larger number than that, cause not everyone
votes right. Seventy five million people went to a ballot
box and put his name on their ticket.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's scary.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Those people believe.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
That we and him and I not so much you
cause you're not the descendant of slaves here, right, should
not count as citizens.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
They think that.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Today they tried to get the current Vice president tossed
from the ticket because as a descendant of the of
a slave, she should be ineligible using legal precedents from
Dread Scott, making black people less than human, therefore not citizens,
therefore not having any rights. If I could waive a
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magic wand it wouldn't just be about the election, we'd
be able to maybe change the system here or maybe
go somewhere else. But even going somewhere else is dangerous
now because of the power of this country, and this
country headed up by the other candidate I know would
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be far more dangerous, not just for us here, but
for our brothers and sisters there. Because he said on
a live microphone with live cameras that President Biden should
get out of the way and let Israel finish the
job he has.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
He said that Joe Biden isn't a friend of Israel,
which made me laugh. So he does anything they want.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
So again we say the lesser of two evils theme,
and it's a kind of bit of hyperbole at this point,
because they say it every election, every election, you know
what I mean, So that makes it mean less in
this current election. However, one of the evils is not
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an equivalence. One of the evils is disgustingly evil. One
of the evils will have it where you don't get
to disagree with his position. We don't get to have
this conversation, we don't get to protest, we don't get
to still have rights.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
Once he becomes in.
Speaker 4 (23:14):
Power, he will get rid of civil servants and hire
people that are directly loyal to him.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
He will be a dictator from day one.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
This is his promise, and the documentation shows the plan
to get rid of the Department of Education, to get
rid of women's rights, to choose to declare black people
literally not citizens, therefore not having rights in any way,
in any protection from the federal government or the judicial system,
to reinstate you don't look like you belong here, so
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I can come.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
In your home, I can go in your car.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
If you don't have the documents on you at the time,
I can remove you from this country. And he doesn't
even introduce a way to do so. Doctor Stein is
not as bad a choice as him in any way,
and in some ways, because I don't know her political platform,
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maybe she's a fantastic candidate. It's just at this point
for some people, the idea that she cannot win in
a binary electorate does hurt the chance of someone beating
that guy. And you've pointed that out. It is an accuracy.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
There is a bit of control.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
And manipulation there when there's this fear of evil dictator
Donald Trump running against whoever the other candidate is.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Can I add something right here, because that's that's a
great setup. So I read a story recently about this
might have been the two thousand election in two thousand
and four some right now, it was Bush and or Algore, Yeah,
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and that one came down to the wire and it
all ended up coming down in Florida. And I think
the difference ended up being something like eight hundred votes, right,
And that's an insanely low number. Yeah, it was something
like that.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Who had a relative that was the governor of said state.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Right, And there were some bols that not counted. It
was it was some mysterious It wasn't mysterious at all,
But I mean the way history remembers it. You know,
we would know otherwise, but history remembers it as mysterious
circumstances because it wasn't cut and dry. Bush won that.
But there was a candidate running at that time as
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a third party candidate, and his name was Ralph Nader.
And among other mysterious things that took place in Florida,
in the different counties, how they were tallying things, how
they how they counted their ballots, what was eligible, what
was ineligible, which districts counted for what, which stuff got
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thrown away, all kinds of like clerical errors, things like that.
In addition of those, I believe it was something like
eleven thousand people had cast their vote for Ralph Nader.
Eleven thousand people. Now, the margin of George Bush's win
of the state of Florida, which determined the election and
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the course of the country over the next eight years,
was eight hundred votes eleven thousand people versus eight hundred
And of the people that voted for Ralph Nader, it
was something like ninety some odd percent would have preferred
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Gore two Bush, and that little tiny community of Ralph
Nader voters in Florida were so upset because now because
of their it's not a protest vote. It was a
sensible vote for them, It was the right vote. They
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didn't want to subscribe to the lesser of two evils narrative.
They pushed back against the fact that this country was,
in some people's opinions, poorly founded insofar as the electorial
process is concerned. These people who just didn't see value
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enough value in either candidate and couldn't morally stomach to
cast a vote for one or the other. Those people
had to live with the fact that, you know what,
I wish that I would have voted for.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Gore.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It was like ninety plus percent of I wouldn't be
surprised it was like ninety seven percent of them, right,
because Nator was just a candidate who was I don't
remember his platforms, So forgive me this wrong, which this
is an example. It was a little further left of
al Gore. So when we talk about a third party candidate,
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how do you what I'm trying to do here, let
me say it this way, And what I'm trying to
do is get people as close to maybe not your mindset,
because that might be no one can have that. But
how do people accommodate the reality of the fact that
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your people matter, and they're valuable and special and beautiful,
and they belong here and they deserve protection. We'll stop
against every other right reality that human beings have to
live with and be confronted. You know, like you mentioned
stopping risk women's rights. You know that's a long list,
you know, housing, discriminat, economic inequality, other things that I
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couldn't even conceive of because I don't work in that arena.
To say a joke, A vote for what's her name,
Kamala Harris is a vote against your people, slapping the
face to your people. I wouldn't even push back on
you on that, because that's the thing that breaks my heart.
It's the thing that keeps me from being as excited
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as I would like to be, because I know, you know,
I even got over the cops stuff. I do not
like the police. You could ask you. I'm not out
of rock with the police, but.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
That like the.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Like, I'm looking for these bright moments and her talking
about you know, two state solutions and the people in
Palestine deserve X, Y and Z, and then I get
the text on my phone. At the actual rally of Okay,
the US is sending more weapons. Talk to us about
do your best I know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
You tell me, you tell me. We have this problem.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
This country is genociding my brothers and sisters in Palestine.
What should be done to make sure that we all
feel safe? Because again, I'm not minimizing the fears that
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you have. They're legitimate fears, one hundred percent. They're also
things that currently exist in Palestine. Project twenty twenty five
exists in Palestine one hundred percent. Israeli soldiers can walk
into your shop and say, let me see your phone,
and if you've liked something or commented something that they
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think is sympathetic towards the people in Gaza, they can
arrest you full stop. It already exists, and Israel is
wildly influential here. So to say that like, oh, we're
so afraid that this is going to happen, it's already happening,
and it's happening on our dime, and there's no way,
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there's no way I'm going to vote for I don't
care if she's a woman or of color, I don't care.
There's there's a handful of Palestinians who are pro Israel
because they're getting paid a lot of money. Oh yeah,
they're collaborators. They're dead to us, they're our enemies, like
they're awful human beings, awful. But every group of people
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is going to have, you know, people who are not
as integris right. I mean to you, to paint all
of us is perfect is really scary. Nobody's like that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Sure. Yeah, So the idea of like.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Just because she's a woman, or because she's black, or
because she's daisy even Indian, does not mean that she
has the morals and integrity that I subscribe to. And
also there's just the plain old fact that she's funding genocide.
So like, how many rights do you have to get
in or for us to finally get our.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Our ceasefire humanity validate.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
That's what's so scary.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
I think the thing that makes it difficult is that
there is no magic wand there is that doesn't exist,
and there's not a singular solution that makes everyone happy.
But I hear one person saying finish the job. I
hear another person saying cease fire. I won't pretend that
those two things are the same.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
All of us, right, because we are saying she's funding
the genocide. We're collectively as a nation funding that thing.
Because of the way our government is set up, we
don't get to say I want my tax dollars to
just go.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
To education and healthcare.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
You pay the taxes the people in charge, who unfortunately
are not even collectively put there right. Because of our
electoral college, the person with the most votes doesn't always win.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
The person who.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Gets the most electoral electoral votes wins, so it's not
even a pure democracy. We don't get to just fully
have our voices heard. I think it's important for you
the listener to know that our questions are not to
our sister or challenging that she should support it, because
in her position, with no conscious could I support any
(33:20):
system that put my people in the place that her
people are. We, however, do all the time, we do
every year support a system that oppresses us because sad
as it sounds, and this is why sometimes you guys
hear me on a civic side for sounding less hopeful.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
We don't have a choice, So what is it going
to take? Because genocide is the worst thing that can happen.
That's why the whole United Nations was set up because
a genocide happened, and we were like, Okay, war's going
to happen, but we need to have some.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Better rules around war.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So we decided the worst thing in the world is genocide.
And now the genocide hasn't hit our our streets yet here,
but we're still committing the genocide. So what is so
hopeful is we're still in a position where we can
actually do something. And I don't want it to be
too late. I don't want to get to the point
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where we finally wake up. But we are, to your point,
not allowed to be on this platform, Like when does
that happen?
Speaker 1 (34:26):
This concludes part two of our three part conversation with
Suzannya Team Palestinian American activist, actor, and former Miss arab
USA discussing Palestine one year into the war and keeping
Palestine in mind while voting. This is the Black Information
Network Daily Podcast with your hosts rams's Jah and Qboard.