February 18, 2025 • 32 mins
Daniela talks with her former fitness coach and the current fitness coach of world #1 Jannik Sinner about new tools in fitness, new philosophies, and how his approach is the same whether he is coaching a man or a woman.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Well, Marco, thank you so much for your time, because
these days you are one of the busiest people in
the house taking care obviously of the number one in
the world. Jan Nick Sinner, So thank you so much
for coming here to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My Big Pleasures.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know, I have prepared a lot of questions, but
I have a feeling this is going to be going
so off road and off script. And it's funny for
me because it's the first time you actually see me working.
We never yes, I've seen all your work that you've
done all these years, but never never the other way around.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So exactly I was expecting actually with the racket, to
see you with the racket and jumping like you used
to do it before.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know, we're getting also, times are changing anyways, Just
just quickly on the tournament. What is one of the
biggest challenges from the physical side playing down under? We
always talk about the tough conditions, the beginning of the
year and so on. For you as a trainer, what
are the things you always look to make sure your
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players are ready for.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, you know, I would change a little bit of
the schedule and planning of the tour. Let's say we
arrive actually now here in Australia and my player, for example,
he played the Davis Cup finals, so which means we
had a really short short time considering also he needs
to he needed to rest a little bit of course,
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and so before, for example, we had almost between six
eight weeks of precision do you remember this, So we
had time to you know, to work a lot, to
make a little you say, a large spectrum of everything
and this maybe can help you to recover well, to
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make a say, an improvement I mean of some qualities
or whatever it is. And now basically we have three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What do you do. No, that's why it's very important.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean, as you as you know, as you know
that for sure, I mean the team is always traveling
now much much more than before. And the new professional
figures are part of the team which is now constantly
all the team. Every player has also for them provisio
or stay opath and all these people.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That because we need to.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Try to fix it really and to change some things
in really short time. So in order to do this,
and because the schedule is very busy all the year,
we need to try to find out two or three
let's say weeks during the year or more than one
or two weeks in order to come back and train
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in again before the next two mench So it's very
important how to plan in the in the beginning of
the years. Then of course it depends if your player
are win need more or less, so this make huge difference.
Let's say, it's more important now to see and know
very very well your player more than the you know,
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how to say, how to to make some work, specific
work that can be absolutely very quick in quick quick
way to get digested by your player in order to
perform maybe I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Two days and three days.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know, before we had a little bit more time
to schedule a normal work. Now it's more reactive everything,
so you have to be very you know, you have
to know very very well your player and how we
react on some input that you give to him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So basically now the reason why the players are traveling.
But let's say with bigger teams is that you actually
do most of the work on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Absolutely absolutely, this is the big changing that we had.
I mean me personally, I mean in thirty years, more
than thirty years. Yeah, So if I remember what I
was doing, you know, I was the programmation. Let's say
the planning Back then, I mean it was just, you know,
we go to play and then come back and stay
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one place, one base, even though if we keep traveling,
we had time to stay somewhere to practice a little
bit more. Now, I mean I would say that I'm
pretty lucky that my player are winning a little bit
more so, the time is very short and you need
all these people around you doctor most of the time.
Also because I mean, we need to always calibrate. For example,
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I don't know, supplementation of the players, but then it's
got sciences is much more helping us, much much more.
You know, when we were together, we were working together.
I mean I don't know, I'm thinking about some No,
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I mean we could now for example, we can absolutely check,
for example, the internal lot of the player.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We have so many tools that help us, so we know.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Exactly exactly how the player is reacting, you know, in
what we are doing. So the external lot is easy
because it's the job that we are putting on him.
But the internal load, which depending for example, from emotional state,
depending from so many things, that's very important to understand
how much they are stressed, for example, so you can
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calibrate the external lot based on the internal lot and
this may all be more easy to make less mistake
from us.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For example, So what.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Do you say, because one of the things I did
want to discuss quite a bit is how much the
training has changed since you first joined the thirty years
or more than thirty years ago to what you do now.
So would you say one of one of the biggest
differences is that now you have the tools to exactly
measure and get the feedback on.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Everything you do. Yeah, for example, author right variability?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
For example, I didn't even get that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, in order don't get too much into it, maybe
be bored, But then I.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thought I was kind of up to dated with the fitness.
You know how much I love training and the nutritions.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But obviously not. Yeah, I mean, we have now some
tools that are able to exactly calculate the distance of
every bit of the heart so country and much we
think the bit are not the same in the same time.
For example, if you have sixty bit perminos doesn't mean
doesn't mean that every second you have a bit. Sometimes
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it will be more than one second, sometimes it will
be less, and actually more than is this variability more
our system is saying.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
For example, so we have we have sympathetic system, but
a sympathetic system, I'm talking about nervous system that we
know that when they are working well together, we are
rest and we can activate it in a good way.
So we are repairing tissue. We are ready to fight. Okay,
So this is for example, one of the parameters that
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the art rivi ability can check. So so many things
that help us. You know, before there was in Italy
we say okaomet which means the meters of the highs,
which how much you can see how your player is
tired or not. Now we have also data that helps
us a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, it's something I always wanted to ask you and
I never did you kind of thanks to Thanks to you,
the tennis changes big time as far as where the
fitness goes, the training goes. Because of your expertise and
your knowledge, where do you go for your resource? Because
you're the one making players better, making them motivated, But
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where do you get the motivation from? And where do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You I mean I mean simple like when you were playing.
I mean it's the passion that you want to make
your less mistake, you want to perform your player better. Possible,
So you need to be always a little bit curious,
let's say, experimentally everything and see what can be useful
for your player, for players in general, for your playings
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in particular. You know, So there are so many things
that help us. Actually, I take advantage of this took
that we have to get to apologize with you because
when we were working together, so basically, I didn't have
this possibility to work maybe a little bit more deeply
with you. How Daniella was was let's say, Boddy Wise
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ready something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean again, all these signs help us a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I was actually going to ask you with everything. You know, Now,
let's say it was what two thousand and six, two
thousand and seven that we work together, what would you
have done different?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Also many things?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, sure, I mean that's again because you you know,
we I always say that we as me as a
fitness coach or tennis coach or whatever it is, and
we need to just throw the suit on top of
the player, you know. I mean that's very important. I
mean every player is different. I'm not talking about leverage
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or I'm talking about also emotionally all these things, so
more we know the player more we can, yeah, suit
the perfect suit for for the player. You know that
that's the goal for for for let's say, all the sports.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Basically, So this is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And the more informasure you can get through all these things. Again,
more you you are targeted, what you're doing. You are
not losing maybe time, you are. You're the possibility to
make your player, for example, to avoid all the injury possible.
Now for us sample, I mean, I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This fascia. Maybe you heard about that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So it's this tissue that is all inside our body,
you know, of course, yeah, that's it. So before when
I was studying, when I was working the first year,
I mean, fascia was a kind of an envelope around
the muscle, around the tissue. We didn't know what actually was.
Now with new signs, for example, we saw that the
fashion is very is one of the probably the most
important thing that allowed the body to move smoothly, perfectly.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know. So because it's.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Kind of a net that is all around our body,
all around our bones, muscle, tendons and everything.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Plus is full of this let's say little.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Transistor that can send absolutely every second information to our brain.
So and more you are able to use this fashion,
and now it's possible to train this fashion. We know
how to train the fashion, more the movement is clear,
more accuracy, you know, and more the bodies moving.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, so you're saying we actually can train instead of
the muscles the fashion.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So pretty much we would have done everything differently. No, okay,
I think it's like this with everything. The more you know,
the more you try to come up with new exercises.
But there are always the bread and butter ones, right
for sure. So what is for you, like the golden
one that you have to make sure all your players
do I think I know the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But is it the squad? Well?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes for someone, yes, for some other not for example
my last two players, for example, I didn't use the
squad that much really for example. Yeah, then you know,
depends women, men, depends what kind of player you are,
how much is your body type?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, there are so.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Many things to consider when you do something like that.
Tennis is a request are in certain you know, effort,
physiological effort require a lot of coordination in there and intramuscular.
So the goal that we that anyway, we need to
let's say, pers it is what can help players to
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play tennis and no soccer or basketball. So that's that's
the main goal me personally. As soon I see which
kind of player I'm working with, I try to address
what is at limited. The last two players again that worked,
they were they are pretty similar as a body type.
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So I'm extremely flexible, extremely elastic, let's say, oriented, fascia
oriented I would, I would underline. And so what we
are doing is particularly to try to increase Okay, the strength,
that's perfect, but how you use the strength, how you
are able to connect all the segments of the body
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with the good connection, with good timing, with good coordination,
in order to be very accuracy, and you can last
longer because you are spending very few energy because you
are moving perfectly.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So all the balance, all the exercise that actually also
we were doing, are all part of this big cake
to do in order to perform a court.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Let's just not forget to mention that the last two
players we are talking about, it's Novak and Yanik, So
just quickly on them, especially being to Novak for so
many years, and let's say, I think you agree, one
of the greatest athletes in the history of not only tennis,
but in sports in general. Is there something obviously you
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had so much to give to him, Is there something
you actually learned from him?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Absolutely, but I learned from everybody. I mean, of course absolutely,
that's that's that's guaranteed. Particularly we no what coming is
his mentality towards the work coming this this big guy,
not only him, but I have the lault, do you know,
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to have the possibility to leave a little bit of
this big four and now this new upcoming great player
like you. You now, whatever it is, and the common
let's say point of all of you, it's how whatever
you do can help you as a tennis player. You
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know that that's was actually and you keep learning me
as a part of the stuff you keep learning from you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
How everything is related, I mean, how you are you
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Also something very far from tennis. I mean, if it
was reading a book, whatever he was reading, he could
bring it on court. So you always find the connection
between whatever he is doing to the court, what can
improve him as a person, as an athlete, as a
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whatever I mean father for example, I mean can be
related on court. So we always say that athlete is
connected with the persons of body mind is working in
one unit. It's always working together, So that that's your
common point.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Would you say stubbornness as well?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Absolutely, I mean obsession.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But I want to just be clear when I say
stubborn and obsession, I mean the functional stubborn and functional
obsession in what you do brings you in another level
for sure, So not the one that goes to the pathology,
of course, so the very important. But then somebody can
call passion, somebody can call it, you know, whatever it is,
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but love what you do.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Where do you draw that line though, between being stubborn
in a way that it helps you as an athlete
and to a point where you actually let it go
and be open and receive the feedback from the team.
Was it Was it easy, let's say, with Novak, to
kind of receive your information and what you were trying.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah. I think the line, the borderline between functional, non functional,
stubborn or whatever it is, is the fact that you
anyway are open to listen. Okay, you want to arrive
to the point, but you are ready to give and
receive feedback. So to give a received feedback is kind
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of an art because I mean, there are so many
ways you can communicate feedback or receive a feedback that
can change completely the meaning what you're saying. And that's
whatso is another I think plus that as as a
team we need to master a little bit. I mean
the communication, the effective communication, you know, have to be
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sometimes you need to be straight. Sometimes you can arrive
and you to understand to send some message.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To the player that you don't feel.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Are you say, for example, that happened to me most
of the time, depending what player you're working with, of course,
but sometimes I don't say, look what you're doing is
not right. I could say, because this could be taken
by the player like no I'm trying to do it.
Why you say that it's not right? I can say,
look what you're doing or how you are behaving make
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me feel that is something like that, so they cannot
questioning how I'm feeling, you know. So it's something just
not because I want to be right or wrong, but
I want to create the real communication and efficiency communication,
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I think sometimes I think of a different cultural
background that maybe be underestimated sometimes to a player from
let's say Eastern Europe, maybe you can be much more
straightforward where to someone from another country. You have to
kind of find a way how to go about it,
and I believe it's always kind of a working process
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to to always see where the where the limits are
and how to cross them and how how to accept.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Different age. When you grow, you know there is also
change in the communication. You know so many factors that
can but of course there are some little knowledge tools
you can call whatever you want, but you have to
haviitally if you want to, because I mean communication in
the hand, it's very important more than jump a heat
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or something like that at a certain level. Of course,
would you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Say you had to approach female athletes differently than guys.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. It's
difference between men and women. That is different between persons,
whatever they are, men or women. You know the background,
like you said that, the character that they have, this
determinate out what kind of person you are.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So we have the dew. We need to understand what
we have in front of us.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Because if the main goal is to be able to
trust meth some things to be useful for the player,
we need to know also how to tell them because
you can be the best coach in the world and
the best player in the world, and you are not
fitting together.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
For some reason.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
One question that I think so many of my group
will appreciate to know a little bit more, whether it's
Lindsay Won Andovich where I just finished playing doubles with,
how do you train a retired athlete? Because I think
that is not the easy thing to do, because obviously
we come to the gym already with some kind of experience, expectations,
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and how do you find the balance between not pushing
us too much, obviously because everybodies have been through a lot,
but also not giving us like a forty five minute
yoga session and thinking that's going to be okay. I
think it's one of the most tricky jobs to have.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, I would say that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Guys, listen regarding regarding what we were saying before we
were saying before, I mean, the fascia is one of
the most let's say, tricky part of our body because
if you don't keep moving on the on the right
way between this layer of fashion that is kind of
college and collage and let's say this this fluid that
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if you are able to keep this fluid.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Very not sticky you know, but very very smooth.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
The movement is smooth, which means you are not creating
some resistance in some part of your body, but all
the body is moving fluently.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So for our age, which is my age, right for
fortum plus, it's very important to keep moving in the
right way, be careful what you're doing. Of course, don't
do crazy stuff like jumping with you know, from the trampolina.
But I mean do a lot of exercise of mobility
and strength with just keeping in mind to using this
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kind of you know, keeping moving the body all together.
So I mean isolation exercise for example. It could be
good for some time, but not the main goal for
people that so for summer, yeah, it's okay for the
for the churches to keep judge.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Tests a little bit more more, let's say into the limit.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
But I would say three dimensional movement for example, that
that make the body work on this three different planes
that we have, which is frontal, you know, digital, you
know this plane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Let's say make it easy.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean it's just moving all the body with some
resistance with bands with with weights of course, I mean
weights have to be proportional of your sure your state
of shape.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Let's say I was going to say, you were going
to question my age, but I know you're twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so basically mobility with a little bit of strength
but not to static, yes, but okay, and some explosivity involved,
because that's where news it's going downhill.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Everything is connected.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If you're if you're used to, if you are able
to use your body with the perfect connection on the
segment as a chain, your responsivity is gonna it's gonna
be yeah, the sposifity is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
All right. As far as as nutritions go.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well, that's another big, big jump forward.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We did absolutely yeah, because as players, we are so
used to, you know, having to always have enough fuel
and all of this. But then I see more with
the guys, I would say that, you know, then it's
time to kind of accept that, Okay, we are not
burning as much, we are not five hours anymore training.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So I think that's right, listen.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean again, also, now science helps a lot, because
I mean, for example, now it's very common to do
genetic and epigenetic test that is going to be exactly
who you are, what you need and actually can be
also can detect also possibly I don't want to say
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sickness or something like this much for example, I don't know,
possibly diabetic type two in twenty years for example, So
you can start to work right now for that which
is not that one O the pertent sure that you're
going to have this one.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But your DNA you know, or the.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Modification of NA through the genetic can be arrived in
that point there your body in the next twenty years.
So also there the nutrition the supplementation now is totally
it can be totally you say in.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Are you saying?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean you can you can check again all these
things according exactly on your topology your DNA, and this
of course is helping a lot. So the antih basically
you know when you when we're talking about the antihe,
we know that some product can trigger some part of
your body and can of course putting down more inflammation
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for example that you have due to the stress the
life normal life, you the no movement or some other
you know, some other things. So this can bring completely
down the inflammation. That could be greater vantage for the
longevity for everything.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So to sum it up, basically, what I invest in
my body now, I'm going to be hopefully grateful in
four years.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yes, sure, absolutely, life or style, you know, but I
mean these things you know that that's the common sense
says something like this, but we can go target now.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh that's even no more much better.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Lastly, because we are going really down and specific and
I feel like we could sit here for hours discussing this.
As far as recovery, what has changed, let's say, from
I mean already eyes bud and creat therapy was like,
well we are killing it. I mean we are on
top of things.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well yeah, yeah yeah, also there I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Nutritions again, nutrition for sure, absolutely, but it can recovery
can be absolutely be addressed by nutrition. And you know,
there are so many things and now we can discuss
they are allowed or not allowed. For example, when you
talk about aberbertic chamber, I mean I'm not not here
making conversion to aberberdy chamber, but are all things that
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can help ourselves to put it down. Information for example,
which is the the eldorado of the youtheness you know,
and the healthy well whatever it is, and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's there are so many things now that can help you.
I mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Pants that yeah, I was going to ask you about
that that makes really no absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, absolutely yes, because I mean that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But then there are also the old good classics like
still go on the big after right after the match
and stretching. I never forget when you were telling me
that when you first started to stretch.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Your players three years ago, that was already like ballets,
that big deal.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
As I told you, they kicked me out from one
tournament in Romania back to the ninety eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Ninety, which was the first year you started. Oh to
think about that eight.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Ready for the time was satellite, no future satellite, So
you had to spend one month somewhere. If you luck
you play the master final Master, I give you two
or three points. But if you don't get to the
to the Master final Master, you basically you lose three weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Does it help?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I do believe big time as you know that
your background is in track and field, because let's not
forget that you were one of the talents of a
long time.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I was, I mean, I was really average. No, well,
I would say that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Because you guys, track and field that's the ultimate athleticism.
You don't have tools that help you.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So I always feel like that's a huge, huge.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think that track and field give me the mentality
a little bit to keep investigating, be curious what could
help you know as a as a in terms of
new work planning, you know new study that remember when
we start to do bliometric jumps until this was and
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I was eighteen nineteen and so I try on my skin.
It looks like, wow, this methodology comes from Mars. You
know this drop jump. There was this famous Russian professor
that was at the time, was at the top of
the top. We got this book at the time, like
it was like, you know, coming from heaven. Really, so
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it was funny. I think this track and field can
help you. So you stay with that kind of mentality,
you know, to always the goal is try to improve
what I need to do, what I had to apply
and you know, investigate a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What is the new research that can help you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Started on the tour with the players eighty four, what
has been the highlight of your career?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, now, I don't want to sounds too normal, but
I would say that all my players was unbelievable journey
with all of them, all of them.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I never learned or I never had pleasure to work
with someone, but all of them compared with the other
side now of the microphone was a huge privilege for
me to keep learning to.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Share.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Basically, now I'm sixty almost sixty one, and I don't
have kids, but I consider all my players. Before they
were my brother's sister. Now they are my son and daughter.
Soon they're going to be a nephew and his. But
it was a really great journey keep doing keep I mean,
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I still loved what I'm doing, So that's probably the
best gift.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's only answer was the most stubborn one.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Let me say something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, I mean
all of you there was, of course, I mean a person,
wonderful person anyway. But of course when you deal with
the pressure and everything, sometime can be tough.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I understand.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So that's the way again, the team has to be
kind of Mattras, you know, something that absorbed a little
bit the high pick and the lower peak. So to
to make sure that your play is in this operatic
calm of the zone. You can call a rosa, you
can call over you want that that's the area.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That they can perform.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then, of course, so many factors that can the best
work ethic tough to say, but I would say not
because you're here. You Novak unique for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
As a dedication, let's say, as a dedication to the work, absolutely, yes,
but also the other I don't want to sound so,
but yeah, but you know this tree that I said
not because I mean I want to please you because
you're here. But I think that thanks to you, I
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learned a lot about the headache work heading. I mean absolutely,
and yeah, sometimes with you we need to just, you know,
like the horse.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Just hold you a little bit more because it could
be go in that side of the moon. But no, no,
that's that's that's what's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Well, I think I'm going to finish on this. I
feel like we could be talking for hours, but I
know how precious your time is. I did promise this
was going to be only twenty minutes, but it has
i'm sure been much more than that. But hopefully maybe
we can do it some other time down the road,
during any time season, and I'm sure we will have
so so many questions from the f and a bit
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more about the training and longevity wellness. That's kind of
what the Real DNA podcast is going to be focused
this year on, and hopefully we can motivate people to
be better tennis players, better athletes and just have the
tools to have a better life. So thank you so
much for your time. Until next time, H
Well, Marco, thank you so much for your time, because
these days you are one of the busiest people in
the house taking care obviously of the number one in
the world. Jan Nick Sinner, So thank you so much
for coming here to our podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My Big Pleasures.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
You know, I have prepared a lot of questions, but
I have a feeling this is going to be going
so off road and off script. And it's funny for
me because it's the first time you actually see me working.
We never yes, I've seen all your work that you've
done all these years, but never never the other way around.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
So exactly I was expecting actually with the racket, to
see you with the racket and jumping like you used
to do it before.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You know, we're getting also, times are changing anyways, Just
just quickly on the tournament. What is one of the
biggest challenges from the physical side playing down under? We
always talk about the tough conditions, the beginning of the
year and so on. For you as a trainer, what
are the things you always look to make sure your
(01:13):
players are ready for.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Well, you know, I would change a little bit of
the schedule and planning of the tour. Let's say we
arrive actually now here in Australia and my player, for example,
he played the Davis Cup finals, so which means we
had a really short short time considering also he needs
to he needed to rest a little bit of course,
(01:37):
and so before, for example, we had almost between six
eight weeks of precision do you remember this, So we
had time to you know, to work a lot, to
make a little you say, a large spectrum of everything
and this maybe can help you to recover well, to
(01:58):
make a say, an improvement I mean of some qualities
or whatever it is. And now basically we have three weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
What do you do. No, that's why it's very important.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
I mean, as you as you know, as you know
that for sure, I mean the team is always traveling
now much much more than before. And the new professional
figures are part of the team which is now constantly
all the team. Every player has also for them provisio
or stay opath and all these people.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
That because we need to.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Try to fix it really and to change some things
in really short time. So in order to do this,
and because the schedule is very busy all the year,
we need to try to find out two or three
let's say weeks during the year or more than one
or two weeks in order to come back and train
(02:56):
in again before the next two mench So it's very
important how to plan in the in the beginning of
the years. Then of course it depends if your player
are win need more or less, so this make huge difference.
Let's say, it's more important now to see and know
very very well your player more than the you know,
(03:17):
how to say, how to to make some work, specific
work that can be absolutely very quick in quick quick
way to get digested by your player in order to
perform maybe I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Two days and three days.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know, before we had a little bit more time
to schedule a normal work. Now it's more reactive everything,
so you have to be very you know, you have
to know very very well your player and how we
react on some input that you give to him.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
So basically now the reason why the players are traveling.
But let's say with bigger teams is that you actually
do most of the work on the road.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Absolutely absolutely, this is the big changing that we had.
I mean me personally, I mean in thirty years, more
than thirty years. Yeah, So if I remember what I
was doing, you know, I was the programmation. Let's say
the planning Back then, I mean it was just, you know,
we go to play and then come back and stay
(04:19):
one place, one base, even though if we keep traveling,
we had time to stay somewhere to practice a little
bit more. Now, I mean I would say that I'm
pretty lucky that my player are winning a little bit
more so, the time is very short and you need
all these people around you doctor most of the time.
Also because I mean, we need to always calibrate. For example,
(04:40):
I don't know, supplementation of the players, but then it's
got sciences is much more helping us, much much more.
You know, when we were together, we were working together.
I mean I don't know, I'm thinking about some No,
(05:02):
I mean we could now for example, we can absolutely check,
for example, the internal lot of the player.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
We have so many tools that help us, so we know.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Exactly exactly how the player is reacting, you know, in
what we are doing. So the external lot is easy
because it's the job that we are putting on him.
But the internal load, which depending for example, from emotional state,
depending from so many things, that's very important to understand
how much they are stressed, for example, so you can
(05:38):
calibrate the external lot based on the internal lot and
this may all be more easy to make less mistake
from us.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
For example, So what.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Do you say, because one of the things I did
want to discuss quite a bit is how much the
training has changed since you first joined the thirty years
or more than thirty years ago to what you do now.
So would you say one of one of the biggest
differences is that now you have the tools to exactly
measure and get the feedback on.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Everything you do. Yeah, for example, author right variability?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
For example, I didn't even get that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Okay, in order don't get too much into it, maybe
be bored, But then I.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thought I was kind of up to dated with the fitness.
You know how much I love training and the nutritions.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
But obviously not. Yeah, I mean, we have now some
tools that are able to exactly calculate the distance of
every bit of the heart so country and much we
think the bit are not the same in the same time.
For example, if you have sixty bit perminos doesn't mean
doesn't mean that every second you have a bit. Sometimes
(06:46):
it will be more than one second, sometimes it will
be less, and actually more than is this variability more
our system is saying.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
For example, so we have we have sympathetic system, but
a sympathetic system, I'm talking about nervous system that we
know that when they are working well together, we are
rest and we can activate it in a good way.
So we are repairing tissue. We are ready to fight. Okay,
So this is for example, one of the parameters that
(07:19):
the art rivi ability can check. So so many things
that help us. You know, before there was in Italy
we say okaomet which means the meters of the highs,
which how much you can see how your player is
tired or not. Now we have also data that helps
us a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, it's something I always wanted to ask you and
I never did you kind of thanks to Thanks to you,
the tennis changes big time as far as where the
fitness goes, the training goes. Because of your expertise and
your knowledge, where do you go for your resource? Because
you're the one making players better, making them motivated, But
(07:56):
where do you get the motivation from? And where do.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You I mean I mean simple like when you were playing.
I mean it's the passion that you want to make
your less mistake, you want to perform your player better. Possible,
So you need to be always a little bit curious,
let's say, experimentally everything and see what can be useful
for your player, for players in general, for your playings
(08:20):
in particular. You know, So there are so many things
that help us. Actually, I take advantage of this took
that we have to get to apologize with you because
when we were working together, so basically, I didn't have
this possibility to work maybe a little bit more deeply
with you. How Daniella was was let's say, Boddy Wise
(08:41):
ready something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I mean again, all these signs help us a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I was actually going to ask you with everything. You know, Now,
let's say it was what two thousand and six, two
thousand and seven that we work together, what would you
have done different?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Also many things?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, sure, I mean that's again because you you know,
we I always say that we as me as a
fitness coach or tennis coach or whatever it is, and
we need to just throw the suit on top of
the player, you know. I mean that's very important. I
mean every player is different. I'm not talking about leverage
(09:20):
or I'm talking about also emotionally all these things, so
more we know the player more we can, yeah, suit
the perfect suit for for the player. You know that
that's the goal for for for let's say, all the sports.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Basically, So this is.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
And the more informasure you can get through all these things. Again,
more you you are targeted, what you're doing. You are
not losing maybe time, you are. You're the possibility to
make your player, for example, to avoid all the injury possible.
Now for us sample, I mean, I'm thinking about.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
This fascia. Maybe you heard about that.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
So it's this tissue that is all inside our body,
you know, of course, yeah, that's it. So before when
I was studying, when I was working the first year,
I mean, fascia was a kind of an envelope around
the muscle, around the tissue. We didn't know what actually was.
Now with new signs, for example, we saw that the
fashion is very is one of the probably the most
important thing that allowed the body to move smoothly, perfectly.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know. So because it's.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Kind of a net that is all around our body,
all around our bones, muscle, tendons and everything.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Plus is full of this let's say little.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Transistor that can send absolutely every second information to our brain.
So and more you are able to use this fashion,
and now it's possible to train this fashion. We know
how to train the fashion, more the movement is clear,
more accuracy, you know, and more the bodies moving.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, so you're saying we actually can train instead of
the muscles the fashion.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yes, absolutely, yes, absolutely, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
So pretty much we would have done everything differently. No, okay,
I think it's like this with everything. The more you know,
the more you try to come up with new exercises.
But there are always the bread and butter ones, right
for sure. So what is for you, like the golden
one that you have to make sure all your players
do I think I know the answer.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
But is it the squad? Well?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes for someone, yes, for some other not for example
my last two players, for example, I didn't use the
squad that much really for example. Yeah, then you know,
depends women, men, depends what kind of player you are,
how much is your body type?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You know, there are so.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Many things to consider when you do something like that.
Tennis is a request are in certain you know, effort,
physiological effort require a lot of coordination in there and intramuscular.
So the goal that we that anyway, we need to
let's say, pers it is what can help players to
(12:19):
play tennis and no soccer or basketball. So that's that's
the main goal me personally. As soon I see which
kind of player I'm working with, I try to address
what is at limited. The last two players again that worked,
they were they are pretty similar as a body type.
(12:41):
So I'm extremely flexible, extremely elastic, let's say, oriented, fascia
oriented I would, I would underline. And so what we
are doing is particularly to try to increase Okay, the strength,
that's perfect, but how you use the strength, how you
are able to connect all the segments of the body
(13:04):
with the good connection, with good timing, with good coordination,
in order to be very accuracy, and you can last
longer because you are spending very few energy because you
are moving perfectly.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
So all the balance, all the exercise that actually also
we were doing, are all part of this big cake
to do in order to perform a court.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Let's just not forget to mention that the last two
players we are talking about, it's Novak and Yanik, So
just quickly on them, especially being to Novak for so
many years, and let's say, I think you agree, one
of the greatest athletes in the history of not only tennis,
but in sports in general. Is there something obviously you
(13:53):
had so much to give to him, Is there something
you actually learned from him?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Absolutely, but I learned from everybody. I mean, of course absolutely,
that's that's that's guaranteed. Particularly we no what coming is
his mentality towards the work coming this this big guy,
not only him, but I have the lault, do you know,
(14:17):
to have the possibility to leave a little bit of
this big four and now this new upcoming great player
like you. You now, whatever it is, and the common
let's say point of all of you, it's how whatever
you do can help you as a tennis player. You
(14:39):
know that that's was actually and you keep learning me
as a part of the stuff you keep learning from you.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
How everything is related, I mean, how you are you
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Also something very far from tennis. I mean, if it
was reading a book, whatever he was reading, he could
bring it on court. So you always find the connection
between whatever he is doing to the court, what can
improve him as a person, as an athlete, as a
(15:14):
whatever I mean father for example, I mean can be
related on court. So we always say that athlete is
connected with the persons of body mind is working in
one unit. It's always working together, So that that's your
common point.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Would you say stubbornness as well?
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Absolutely, I mean obsession.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
But I want to just be clear when I say
stubborn and obsession, I mean the functional stubborn and functional
obsession in what you do brings you in another level
for sure, So not the one that goes to the pathology,
of course, so the very important. But then somebody can
call passion, somebody can call it, you know, whatever it is,
(16:06):
but love what you do.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Where do you draw that line though, between being stubborn
in a way that it helps you as an athlete
and to a point where you actually let it go
and be open and receive the feedback from the team.
Was it Was it easy, let's say, with Novak, to
kind of receive your information and what you were trying.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah. I think the line, the borderline between functional, non functional,
stubborn or whatever it is, is the fact that you
anyway are open to listen. Okay, you want to arrive
to the point, but you are ready to give and
receive feedback. So to give a received feedback is kind
(16:47):
of an art because I mean, there are so many
ways you can communicate feedback or receive a feedback that
can change completely the meaning what you're saying. And that's
whatso is another I think plus that as as a
team we need to master a little bit. I mean
the communication, the effective communication, you know, have to be
(17:11):
sometimes you need to be straight. Sometimes you can arrive
and you to understand to send some message.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
To the player that you don't feel.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Are you say, for example, that happened to me most
of the time, depending what player you're working with, of course,
but sometimes I don't say, look what you're doing is
not right. I could say, because this could be taken
by the player like no I'm trying to do it.
Why you say that it's not right? I can say,
look what you're doing or how you are behaving make
(17:42):
me feel that is something like that, so they cannot
questioning how I'm feeling, you know. So it's something just
not because I want to be right or wrong, but
I want to create the real communication and efficiency communication,
you know.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And I think sometimes I think of a different cultural
background that maybe be underestimated sometimes to a player from
let's say Eastern Europe, maybe you can be much more
straightforward where to someone from another country. You have to
kind of find a way how to go about it,
and I believe it's always kind of a working process
(18:19):
to to always see where the where the limits are
and how to cross them and how how to accept.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Different age. When you grow, you know there is also
change in the communication. You know so many factors that
can but of course there are some little knowledge tools
you can call whatever you want, but you have to
haviitally if you want to, because I mean communication in
the hand, it's very important more than jump a heat
(18:51):
or something like that at a certain level. Of course,
would you.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Say you had to approach female athletes differently than guys.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. It's
difference between men and women. That is different between persons,
whatever they are, men or women. You know the background,
like you said that, the character that they have, this
determinate out what kind of person you are.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So we have the dew. We need to understand what
we have in front of us.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Because if the main goal is to be able to
trust meth some things to be useful for the player,
we need to know also how to tell them because
you can be the best coach in the world and
the best player in the world, and you are not
fitting together.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
For some reason.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
One question that I think so many of my group
will appreciate to know a little bit more, whether it's
Lindsay Won Andovich where I just finished playing doubles with,
how do you train a retired athlete? Because I think
that is not the easy thing to do, because obviously
we come to the gym already with some kind of experience, expectations,
(20:03):
and how do you find the balance between not pushing
us too much, obviously because everybodies have been through a lot,
but also not giving us like a forty five minute
yoga session and thinking that's going to be okay. I
think it's one of the most tricky jobs to have.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well, I would say that.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Guys, listen regarding regarding what we were saying before we
were saying before, I mean, the fascia is one of
the most let's say, tricky part of our body because
if you don't keep moving on the on the right
way between this layer of fashion that is kind of
college and collage and let's say this this fluid that
(20:48):
if you are able to keep this fluid.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Very not sticky you know, but very very smooth.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
The movement is smooth, which means you are not creating
some resistance in some part of your body, but all
the body is moving fluently.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's say.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
So for our age, which is my age, right for
fortum plus, it's very important to keep moving in the
right way, be careful what you're doing. Of course, don't
do crazy stuff like jumping with you know, from the trampolina.
But I mean do a lot of exercise of mobility
and strength with just keeping in mind to using this
(21:28):
kind of you know, keeping moving the body all together.
So I mean isolation exercise for example. It could be
good for some time, but not the main goal for
people that so for summer, yeah, it's okay for the
for the churches to keep judge.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Tests a little bit more more, let's say into the limit.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
But I would say three dimensional movement for example, that
that make the body work on this three different planes
that we have, which is frontal, you know, digital, you
know this plane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Let's say make it easy.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I mean it's just moving all the body with some
resistance with bands with with weights of course, I mean
weights have to be proportional of your sure your state
of shape.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Let's say I was going to say, you were going
to question my age, but I know you're twenty.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
And so basically mobility with a little bit of strength
but not to static, yes, but okay, and some explosivity involved,
because that's where news it's going downhill.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Everything is connected.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
If you're if you're used to, if you are able
to use your body with the perfect connection on the
segment as a chain, your responsivity is gonna it's gonna
be yeah, the sposifity is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
All right. As far as as nutritions go.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Well, that's another big, big jump forward.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
We did absolutely yeah, because as players, we are so
used to, you know, having to always have enough fuel
and all of this. But then I see more with
the guys, I would say that, you know, then it's
time to kind of accept that, Okay, we are not
burning as much, we are not five hours anymore training.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
So I think that's right, listen.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
I mean again, also, now science helps a lot, because
I mean, for example, now it's very common to do
genetic and epigenetic test that is going to be exactly
who you are, what you need and actually can be
also can detect also possibly I don't want to say
(23:50):
sickness or something like this much for example, I don't know,
possibly diabetic type two in twenty years for example, So
you can start to work right now for that which
is not that one O the pertent sure that you're
going to have this one.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
But your DNA you know, or the.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Modification of NA through the genetic can be arrived in
that point there your body in the next twenty years.
So also there the nutrition the supplementation now is totally
it can be totally you say in.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Are you saying?
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean you can you can check again all these
things according exactly on your topology your DNA, and this
of course is helping a lot. So the antih basically
you know when you when we're talking about the antihe,
we know that some product can trigger some part of
your body and can of course putting down more inflammation
(24:46):
for example that you have due to the stress the
life normal life, you the no movement or some other
you know, some other things. So this can bring completely
down the inflammation. That could be greater vantage for the
longevity for everything.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So to sum it up, basically, what I invest in
my body now, I'm going to be hopefully grateful in
four years.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Yes, sure, absolutely, life or style, you know, but I
mean these things you know that that's the common sense
says something like this, but we can go target now.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh that's even no more much better.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Lastly, because we are going really down and specific and
I feel like we could sit here for hours discussing this.
As far as recovery, what has changed, let's say, from
I mean already eyes bud and creat therapy was like,
well we are killing it. I mean we are on
top of things.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Well yeah, yeah yeah, also there I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Nutritions again, nutrition for sure, absolutely, but it can recovery
can be absolutely be addressed by nutrition. And you know,
there are so many things and now we can discuss
they are allowed or not allowed. For example, when you
talk about aberbertic chamber, I mean I'm not not here
making conversion to aberberdy chamber, but are all things that
(26:09):
can help ourselves to put it down. Information for example,
which is the the eldorado of the youtheness you know,
and the healthy well whatever it is, and.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
That's there are so many things now that can help you.
I mean these.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Pants that yeah, I was going to ask you about
that that makes really no absolutely.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yes, absolutely yes, because I mean that.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
But then there are also the old good classics like
still go on the big after right after the match
and stretching. I never forget when you were telling me
that when you first started to stretch.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Your players three years ago, that was already like ballets,
that big deal.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
As I told you, they kicked me out from one
tournament in Romania back to the ninety eighteen.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Ninety, which was the first year you started. Oh to
think about that eight.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Ready for the time was satellite, no future satellite, So
you had to spend one month somewhere. If you luck
you play the master final Master, I give you two
or three points. But if you don't get to the
to the Master final Master, you basically you lose three weeks.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Does it help?
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I do believe big time as you know that
your background is in track and field, because let's not
forget that you were one of the talents of a
long time.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I was, I mean, I was really average. No, well,
I would say that.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Because you guys, track and field that's the ultimate athleticism.
You don't have tools that help you.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So I always feel like that's a huge, huge.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I think that track and field give me the mentality
a little bit to keep investigating, be curious what could
help you know as a as a in terms of
new work planning, you know new study that remember when
we start to do bliometric jumps until this was and
(28:09):
I was eighteen nineteen and so I try on my skin.
It looks like, wow, this methodology comes from Mars. You
know this drop jump. There was this famous Russian professor
that was at the time, was at the top of
the top. We got this book at the time, like
it was like, you know, coming from heaven. Really, so
(28:33):
it was funny. I think this track and field can
help you. So you stay with that kind of mentality,
you know, to always the goal is try to improve
what I need to do, what I had to apply
and you know, investigate a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
What is the new research that can help you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Started on the tour with the players eighty four, what
has been the highlight of your career?
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Well, now, I don't want to sounds too normal, but
I would say that all my players was unbelievable journey
with all of them, all of them.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I never learned or I never had pleasure to work
with someone, but all of them compared with the other
side now of the microphone was a huge privilege for
me to keep learning to.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Share.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Basically, now I'm sixty almost sixty one, and I don't
have kids, but I consider all my players. Before they
were my brother's sister. Now they are my son and daughter.
Soon they're going to be a nephew and his. But
it was a really great journey keep doing keep I mean,
(29:51):
I still loved what I'm doing, So that's probably the
best gift.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
That's only answer was the most stubborn one.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Let me say something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, absolutely, I mean
all of you there was, of course, I mean a person,
wonderful person anyway. But of course when you deal with
the pressure and everything, sometime can be tough.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I understand.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
So that's the way again, the team has to be
kind of Mattras, you know, something that absorbed a little
bit the high pick and the lower peak. So to
to make sure that your play is in this operatic
calm of the zone. You can call a rosa, you
can call over you want that that's the area.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That they can perform.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Then, of course, so many factors that can the best
work ethic tough to say, but I would say not
because you're here. You Novak unique for sure.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
As a dedication, let's say, as a dedication to the work, absolutely, yes,
but also the other I don't want to sound so,
but yeah, but you know this tree that I said
not because I mean I want to please you because
you're here. But I think that thanks to you, I
(31:21):
learned a lot about the headache work heading. I mean absolutely,
and yeah, sometimes with you we need to just, you know,
like the horse.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Just hold you a little bit more because it could
be go in that side of the moon. But no, no,
that's that's that's what's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Well, I think I'm going to finish on this. I
feel like we could be talking for hours, but I
know how precious your time is. I did promise this
was going to be only twenty minutes, but it has
i'm sure been much more than that. But hopefully maybe
we can do it some other time down the road,
during any time season, and I'm sure we will have
so so many questions from the f and a bit
(32:01):
more about the training and longevity wellness. That's kind of
what the Real DNA podcast is going to be focused
this year on, and hopefully we can motivate people to
be better tennis players, better athletes and just have the
tools to have a better life. So thank you so
much for your time. Until next time, H
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