March 5, 2025 • 47 mins
Richard Sherman reacts to the San Francisco 49ers trading star wide receiver Deebo Samuel to the Washington Commanders. How will John Lynch's decision affect Brock Purdy and the Niners offense? Will Deebo bounce back in Washington with Jayden Daniels? Sherm also reacts to the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles releasing Darius Slay, the Dallas Cowboys signing Osa Odighizuwa to a long-term deal while Micah Parsons remains unsigned, the Cincinnati Bengals placing the franchise tag on Tee Higgins for the second-straight offseason, an anonymous QB coach saying University of Colorado standout Shedeur Sanders is "brash" and "arrogant," the New York Jets moving on from Aaron Rodgers and letting Davante Adams walk, the Pittsburgh Steelers leaning towards starting Justin Fields over Russell Wilson, and Travis Hunter's recent comments comparing himself to Los Angeles Dodgers megastar Shohei Ohtani.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume deultiple championship. That should always be the expectation.
A man, go ahead. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
We're in the off season and it's time for free agency. Mitch.
(00:22):
I know you're excited about your Detroit Lions, but there's
a lot of action out there. How you feeling there
is a lot of action?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is some of my favorite time of the year,
rich I mean, we got the NFL combine that just
wrapped up. NFL free agency starts here next week. Let's
start out in San Francisco, though, because we're seeing it
right now. These teams are trying to position themselves getting
ready for free agency, and fortunate unfortunately, we're seeing some
big name players on the move, starting with Deebo Samuel
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out of San Francisco going to the Washington Commanders. The
Commanders give Jade and Daniels some extra help. They got
a surplus a cap space with luxury ahead and Jaden
on the rookie deal. Richard, what are your thoughts on this.
Let's start at it from Washington's perspective. A team that's
dealing in a position of power, with so much money
to spend, how much do you like this move acquiring
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Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I love it. I love it. It's a great move
for them. It's their first move of the off season.
They have a ton of cap space. We're always talking
about their hundred million dollars of cap space that they're
had that they have. Adam Peters was under John Lynch
in San Francisco, so you know, those conversations were probably
free flowing. But I think it's great for both sides.
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You know, you could see Debo world a cool message
about San Francisco, how much he loves Colin John and
how they gave him an opportunity. There's no bad blood there.
I think this is something both sides needed, just a
fresh start. You know, it's human nature. Sometimes you need
a fresh start. You need to try something news, go
somewhere else and figure it out. And I think San
Francisco obviously needed a little bit of cap relief and
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they'll get some of that. And Deebo needed a new
start in a fresh place. And I think he'll be
great for that young receiving corps with scary Terry, how
versatile he can be. I think he'll help them in
the run game, in the past game, and be explosive,
and I think he's excited about that opportunity. Maybe this
is the spark he needed at this time in his career.
And I think I'm really happy for him and for
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them and how it played out, because I think this
is about as clean as they could get in the NFL. Hey,
both sides. You know, it could get dirty and ugly
sometimes where everybody's saying names and saying bad things about
each other. But this wasn't like that. You know, the
forty nine ers. He expressed he wanted to go somewhere else.
Forty nine ers said, Okay, we appreciate everything you've done
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for us. We'll do our best to get you to
a competitive team, and that's what they did. I think
both sides are happy and it's going to work out well.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You gotta love it. From Devo's perspective, I mean, to
be able to partner up with Jaden Daniels, this is
like the perfect compliment to him. You got scary Terry
McLaurin on one side, and then you get you get
Deebo Samuel inserted in that offense. I mean, what are
your thoughts on how this changes them in terms of
the landscape of the NFC. Does this help push them
further to that top bracket of the NFC with true
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NFC contenders going in the next year.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, I think it definitely puts them in a conversation.
You know, obviously they're in a division with the Philadelphia Eagles,
who just came off a Super Bowl win against the
Kennas City Chiefs, So you know, they still have to
get in a conversation where you gotta win your division.
That's a tough division to win. The Dallas Cowboys had
a bad year, but they'll be back. I think this
puts them in a conversation, but we have to see
how it all plays out on the field. I think
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they're going to make a lot of other moves and
spend a lot of that money in free agency, maybe
getting some online help, some pass rushers, maybe another corner
or two, and I think that that'll help them move
further into that conversation. I think retaining their own guys.
You know, see if they bring back Bobby Wagner, if
that's a move they meant make, or if they pushed
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Louvu into the Mike linebacker spot and then draft another one.
I'm not sure, but I think as they continue to
make moves. This definitely makes him a more attractive destination.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You gotta love it as a Washington Commander fan. Let's
talk about the Niners, though, I mean, I think a
lot of fans would be a little surprised only getting
a fifth round pick and return from debo. Does that
surprise you at all? Did you expect more than a fifth.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, it just depended. It depended on the situation. If
the San Francisco forty nine ers were going to have
to pay Deebo's bonus and pay his salary for the year,
then of course they would would get more draft compensation.
But I think once you count the fact that the
Washington's going to take on the bonus and take on
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the salary, that's the reason why the draft compensation was less.
And I think that's why San Francisco was okay with it,
rather than waiting for after the draft and trying to
do a June first kind of deal. You know, I
think this was a situation where they got something for him,
and they put him in a place he wanted to
to be, and he was able to keep the salary
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that he's making.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, you look at the forty nine ers the roster now,
specifically that wider receiver room. Obviously, they invested a first
round pick in Ricky Pursaul last year and Brandon Ayuk
went out early in that season. But it was the
emergence of Dwan Jennings, mister third down third and Juwan
Juwan Jennings. Do you see him stepping up and filling
this debo role.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, I saw him stepping up last year, filling every role,
and so I expect that to continue. I think they
value him. I think they saw the value in him,
and in a lot of games, you know, he was dominating,
he was unguardable at times. And then I think George Kittle,
I think it goes back to you know, sometimes you
have too many miles to feed, and you don't have
enough footballs. There's only one football and you're trying to
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feed Christian McCaffery, Kittle, hi Yuk. You're trying to get
it to depot and now you got to this draft
pick in Persaul, and you're trying to make sure you
keep everybody happy, and it's very difficult to do. And
I think this kind of simplifies things. I think it
gets Kittle more the offense and I think at times
they had to rely on him, and he obviously has
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been fantastic and one of the best tight ends in
a game. And I think down the stretch of Kyle
Shanahan realized that, hey, we're not using George Kittle enough.
We need to find a way to get him in
the ball. And you cannot get everybody to the ball
when you have so many mouths to feed. Once Brandon
comes back, once Christian comes back, you know, then what
happens to Juwan Jennings is he's just the third down
guy again now, and I don't think he wants to
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fall back into that role. So, you know, I think
this is this is sometimes addition by subtraction, just you know,
kind of simplifying. Hey, I don't have to get the
ball to all these guys anymore. I can just run
the offense more straightforward.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Let's move on and talk about the defending champs. The
Philadelphi Eagles caught headlines here with some some notable cuts.
A friend of the program, I know, one of your
good friends, Darius big Play Sligh is cut along with
James Bradbury. A lot of this could be just you know,
cap restructuring. Maybe they bring these guys back, maybe not
know what what are your reaction to these moves from
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the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, when he took corners in the first and second
round last year, you can see what direction they want
to go. Quenyall Mitchell looked like a perennial All Pro,
perennial Pro Bowl type player. Cooper dejen looked great in
the inside and the nickel safety, you know, rover kind
of role that he played in Vic's defense. I think
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that's what they're thinking. I think they would love to
have Slay back in a lesser on a lesser salary.
And I don't know what the logistics of the salary
were where they couldn't just restructure him and continue, but
I think that just pushes the cap hit out later.
And you know, maybe they just want to do something
now and lower it now, and it made more financial
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sense to cut him and then resign him for a
lower number than to just restructure him and push them
the salary out. I don't know what they're gonna do
with James Bradberry, but maybe they want him back to
But again, they've they've drafted really well at that position.
They have death and they feel comfortable with that depth.
I expect Slay. He's a guy that that Philadelphia has loved,
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the fans love, the team loves. He played well in
the playoffs, he played well in the big games, and
I think he's done a great job mentoring those young
guys and helping them develop in the way they have.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Where do you see is a good fit for Slay
if it's not Philly, If if Philly does ultimately.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Move on from him.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I know there's been rumblings about sending him head here
to Detroit, and lord knows the Detroit fan base would
love to have Slagh. But where do you think is
the best fit, best fit for Slay moving forward?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, I could see that happening. I can see
him going back to Detroit. I mean, any any, any
contending team, you know. I think he'll have his pick.
And I don't think he's going to a developing team,
a team that's trying to figure it out. I think
he's going to go to a team that is ready
to win. Now. I'm not sure if Buffalo is an option.
You know, obviously they have really talented young corners, but
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a good veteran always helps a room like that come together.
Kansas City could be an option as always as it
is for everyone. Detroit is a really competitive team, and
you know somewhere like Green Bay would make sense for
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They always seem to
be a mystery be in the off season at least
of late and now the got big name to be
paid is Micah Parsons. But today there's breaking news that
they paid somebody else always saw Odiggi Zuoa, the defensive
tackle gets a four year, eighty million dollar deal with
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fifty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
How disrespectful is this?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you think to pay Osa first before Micah Parsons?
Because this seems like a sizeable number to be thrown
out when you got to also pay Michaeah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I said this last year and I'm saying again this
off season. It doesn't seem like they want to pay
Michael Parsons. He does, he can, He's put on tape,
really good tape. He's been really impactful, one of the
best defensive players in the National Football League and as undeniable,
and still they haven't paid him. The number only continues
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to go up as the cap goes up. The Caps
at what two seventy seven now or two seventy nine,
which means his number is only going up. It was
what it supposed to get, thirty three to thirty four million,
which means his is going to be thirty six thirty
seven million dollars now, and you just gave twenty million
dollars to his running mate before him. I just you know,
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I don't know. I mean, Steven Jones said they're gonna
be strategic about how they pay this season, and it
doesn't make sense how you're doing it. Maybe they don't
value him, maybe they're gonna move on for Michael Parsons,
But I mean, even then, I think we would see
some movement before the draft, and the draft is coming
up here fast, in a hurry, and so I haven't
heard any rumblings unless they're keeping it all under wraps,
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like the Luka Donciz trade of Michael Parsons being moved
for any substantial draft considerations, and that's what it would take,
you know, it take a top ten pick. I would
imagine to get Michael Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys. But
I don't see why the Dallas Cowboys do it outside
of you not wanting to pay him, or you know
something everybody else doesn't know. But I also don't understand
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why you haven't paid him yet. Like it's not like
his his his production has fallen off a cliff at
any point in time. He's been really productive, he's played hard,
he's played well. He hasn't been incredibly injury prone throughout
his career. So this move is just is just headscratch
because you have one of the best players in the league.
He's right here. You could pay him, and instead you're
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paying everybody else. You paid, You paid Dak Prescott, top money,
you paid Cede Lamb, top money, you paid Diggy Zua,
I mean top money. For what he's put on. He
had four and a half sacks last year, and so
I don't know. I don't know what this move says.
I don't know what Micah Parsons feels about it. But
if I was him, I'd be calling my agent like, hey,
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coming the price went up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't understand what's in the water down there in Dallas.
I mean, this management of both the Mavericks and the
Dallas Cowboys, it's very perplexing.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
To say the least.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We got to talk about a guy I know you
have a lot of respect for and his name's going
to be high on the list of potential number one pick,
and that's Travis Hunter. I mean, this guy is a
Swiss Army knife, arguably one of the best defensive backs
in the college football landscape, as well as the best
wide receivers. You know, I know we've talked about it
in the past, but where do you see Travis Hunter
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being the best fit at this next step?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is it dB?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Does he play a little bit of wide out? Does
he split between the two? Like if you were drafting
Travis Hunter, what role would you put him in.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We've we've we've gone down this road. We've we've gone
down this road for for better or force. Yeah, I
play him that corner, you know, I let him, I
let him spotlight at receiver. But I think, you know,
the the greatest effect he could have is that corner.
But you know, as he said multiple times, he wants
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to do full time both, and if the team gives
him an opportunity, I'd love to see it, you know
what I mean. It hasn't been done on a full
time basis in a national football league that I can
remember in recent memory, and it would be something that'd
be really incredible to see. It make him a true
unicorn once in a lifetime kind of player that we've
never seen before. We've seen guys do it in college,
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but not to the stiff that he did in college.
So let's not put anything past it now. Him saying
what he's doing harder than what so he a Tani's doing,
and that's all debatable, you know, that's all subject to
how hard you think baseball is versus how hard you
think football is. I've never played baseball on a professional
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level or even collegiate level, so I'm not even going
to speculate on how hard it is. You know, I
get frustrated with fans talking about man, just God should
have been able to catch that, and you do this,
and it's like you've never been in that situation.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I have.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's very much different, much harder than it looks. But
if I just looked at it somewhat objectively, just the
physical strain that I think it appears to have to
do what o Tani's doing versus what what Travis Hunter
is doing. I think it's more physically demanding what Travis
Hunter is trying to do when he wants to do
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in the NFL, just because I mean, it literally takes
a physical toll. I'm sure you can measure the amount
of miles he would be running, or an amount of yards
he would be running per game, the miles per hour,
the energy he exerts each and every play. I mean,
I'm sure you can measure these things. And if you
did it by that, what Travis is doing is going
to be considered more difficult. If you talk about just
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skill and the skill it takes to execute the task
that's being asked to you. I think that's where where
sohe's talent is really really magnified because it's such a
unique skill set that he has that few people on
earth can do. But it's the same is true with Travis,
you know, being able to translate transfer his mind from
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offensive to defensive playbooks, to understand the situations, to understand
what this receiver is giving you versus what this corner
is giving you. To just to just click a flip
a switch on and off is incredibly difficult in football.
That's why most people only play one side of the
football for the majority of their career, because once you
flip the other side, a lot of people can't execute
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at such a high level. They they aren't the same
kind of player. It's too much thinking maybe you're maybe
you're a free, free player on the offensive side, but
on defense you're like, you know, kind of in your
head about certain things in your you're panicked or you're
you're indecisive. And Travis does that seamlessly, and that that
should be celebrated and really appreciated because it's an incredible
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skill that he has. I don't know who he reminds
me of, because it's there's nobody really built like him
or trying to do what he's done. So I mean
the guys that have done it. Champ Bailey Dion, Charles
Woodson have played both sides of the ball, and then
going to the league, Chris Gamble Hester. Those are all
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the ones I can think of off the top of
my head. I played some offense in college and then
I played defense in college, but I never played them
both at the same time outside of a spring game,
and I've dominated in that game. But I can't say
he reminds me anybody. He's a unique He's a unique player.
He's a unique talent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, I think you mentioned one guy is Charles Woodson,
But I mean even his use of Jeff Michigan wasn't
to the same magnitude as Travis Hunters at Colorado. And
you gotta give Travis Hunter a ton of credit for
what he's been able to achieve playing college football. It's
truly marvelous. And if he's able to do that same
thing in the NFL, he's going to be a one
of one. But let's talk about him as a dB
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because that's your specialty. Rich What do you view as
his biggest strength as a draft prospect if you're trying
to break down his game.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, he has incredible instincts, just football instincts that things
that can't be taught. His feel and zone coverage is
really really incredible. His ball skills apparently are really, you know,
top of the line, top notch on both sides of football.
He hides points at like nobody else. His fearlessness and again,
his just brain, his intelligence, his football IQ to be
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able to flip a switch and go offensive mindset and
attack and run his routes and no coverages and know
where to sit in the zones and know where people
are help defenders are coming from, and then to flip
it on to defense and say, all right, man, I'm
in cover two, Cover three, I'm in man to man
and I'm trying not to get picked. I got to
undicate with this guy. We got in and out calls.
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We got different calls in a bunch, who has two,
who has three? Who has this? Hey, where's the robber
in this call? You know, there are so many moving
parts to it. What's my run responsibility on this play?
And he does that so seamlessly that people don't even
know that it's difficult and he's done that, and so
that's really been impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Let's talk a little bit about the Cincinnati Bengals. We've
talked about him in years past and podcasts of old
and you mentioned it a couple off seasons ago. This
Cincinnati Bengals team to put simply as cheap. They don't
like to play their pay their players, and I know
they're up against it. I know they had to pay
Joe Burrow, and Joe Burrow wants to keep the band
together with Jamar Chase and T Higgins, but they're faced
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in this financial situation where it's almost like they got
to pay one or the other. And it's pretty obvious
that T Higgins isn't top of their priority list. They're
franchise taking T Higgins for the second year in a row.
He's gonna get a take a twenty six point two
million dollars. Like, what do you think is the end
game with this T Higgins situation? Do you think he's
a Cincinnati Bengal next year? You think they're going to
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try to move on from him? Because I don't see
how you can possibly pay both these guys the amount
of money that I'm sure that they want.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, there's a way you can do it. You know,
we can't say there's no way you can do it.
When we see the Philadelphia Eagles playing all day, always open,
AJ Brown and Davonte Smith. Dvante Smith was making twenty five,
which is, you know, a little less than a franchise
tag T Higgins just got and AJ Brown's making top
receiver money. And now, of course Chamar Chase wants more
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than Justin Jefferson's thirty five point one or whatever it is.
He wants one hundred thousand over whatever Jefferson Jefferson may
he won it that last year, so the price only
goes up, So I wouldn't be surprised to be ax
him for thirty seven this year. And again this is
the price of waiting. The price of not getting your
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guy is sewn up early. You end up paying more
because the cap only goes up. And I don't know
if these owners are banking on these guys getting hurd
are these guys not having a great season. But if
Mike Brown was banking on Jamar Chase not having a
great season, this was the absolute worst bet in the
history of the National Football League. Not only did he
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have a great season, he had one of the best seasons.
He had the Triple Crown season. And now you have
to pay him post Triple Crown like you could have
just paid him straight up. Now you got to pay
him post triple Crown, and so he can name his price.
And now you've given him even more leverage by putting
a franchise tag on T Higgins and not him, because
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now he knows he's not gonna get tagged, and so
he can challenge every bit of this and push you
to the limit. And I think that's gonna be the
hard part now, is because I don't think they ever
anticipated playing top receiver money to either one of them,
and they're gonna have to really pay it to T
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Higgins in a big way. I would five years one
eighty something around there, Mitchell, that's probably where he's gonna
be close to five years one eighty if not more,
and they're gonna have to pay it. Are you gonna
have to watch him walk? And that would be one
of the craziest things in the history if if Jamar
Chase ever hit free agency, that would be one of
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the crazy that would be up there with Luca Donsons
getting traded to the Lakers, even though I love that
move more than anything.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I know you do, well, I mean, we saw something
similar happen in San Francisco right, they went out and
paid Debo, and then they got the situation that they
were in last offseason with Brandon ahu Can ultimately had
to pay him too, And now we see how that
situation shakes out a year later. I just don't know
if there's a way to please both parties here. We'll
see how the Bengals handled this situation, because certainly they
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were one of the hottest teams towards the end of
last season. It was too little, too late, you know,
ultimately for the the whle they dug themselves in early
in the season. But this team, with Joe Burrow in
his prime, if you get those two receivers paired up
and happy with him, the sky's the limit for this franchise.
So hopefully that they get this squared away soon. Let's
go back to the Colorado Buffs. We got to talk
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a little bit about Shador Sanders. He was at the combine.
Didn't really work out, but was there, and we saw,
you know, some of the feedback coming in from these
anonymous QB coaches saying that Shadoor Sanders was arrogant, in brash,
you know. Shador responded, how do you know? I mean
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what do you make of this? Does it matter if
he's arrogant and brash? It seems like prooson the pudding
with him. He helped turn Colorado around and Jackson State around.
You know what's your thoughts on this Shador Sanders situation.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It matters, It matters, But it matters because you're talking
about personality traits. You're talking about a guy who's going
to lead a franch But it's not bad. It's not
always bad. I'm sure there are people that think Joe
Burrow comes off that way. There are probably people that
have met Patrick Mahomes that maybe think he comes off
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that way. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say
Lamar Jackson because he's super humble, like down to earth
the guy. But there are quarterbacks in this league that
come off that way. I mean, how if they talked
about Aaron Rodgers for the past decade or two, like,
if he can play the game, it doesn't matter. But
if you can't put your name behind it, shut up.
Like if you can't put your name behind talking about
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somebody else's name, then you probably shouldn't be saying what
you're saying. Like I can sit here and put my
name face in reputation on what I say, because it
is what it is. You know, if you agree, you
would agree. If you don't, you don't. You know, I
believe what I'm saying is true, and if I'm proven wrong,
I can accept. Hey, I was wrong about that, but
I thought that at the time, and thank goodness, somebody
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was able to show me better or show me wiser.
But I don't appreciate guys trying to slander guys and
trying to put paint guys in a negative light to
try to affect their livelihood, Like I'm not about that
coming off arrogant, brash. What does it benefit you to
say that? And that would be my question, like what
benefit do you receive by saying this? You feel like,
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oh man, yeah, let me get this out there for
everybody so that you know they can know this kid
is is who he truly is, Like, why aren't you
telling me how any other quarterback interview? Why why am
I not hearing what Jackson Dart's personality is? Why why
am I not hearing what what what cam Wart's personality
is in the room? You know what? Like, why are
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they so energized to talk negatively about your door, is
my question. And and and not even talk anyway about
the other guys, Like I don't hear any any anybody
there's other top quarterbacks being picked in this raft, and
I don't hear anybody talking about, oh man, this guy's
this a right, this guy coming off bland or are
not the smartest, Like it seems like they want to
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tear down who they want to tear down. They want
to build up who they want build up. But if
you're gonna tear a kid down, stand on it, like, Hey,
I'm I'm the quarterbacks coach for the for the uh
the La Las Vegas Raiders. And I think shad Or
Sanders is little arrogant. I think he's little. But you can't.
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But you can't because you know what you're saying is
gonna be controversial, It's gonna be talked about everywhere. Not
everybody's gonna agree, not everybody's gonna disagree. And so when
you do that and you don't put your name on it,
you're like, hey, hey, I'm out of it. I'm just
doing I'm just doing a uh, I'm just doing a
spark into the fire. I'm just throwing throwing nonsense out there.
I don't want to be attached to it. I don't
want you guys to come for me like no, bro, no, no.
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If he's arrogant and brass saying say say it with
all your jests and put your name behind it, and
then I could believe it, then I'll trust it.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well, let's talk about the NFL combine a little bit more.
This is the time of the season where everyone's together.
There's a lot of smoke screens going on, and maybe
that take is a smoke screen. Maybe someone wants Shador
Sandals to fall to them. Who do you like most
as a fit for Is it the Giants? Do you
like the Raiders? Where do you see him having the
most early success and being the best fit?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
H If I was him, I would want to go
to the Jets. That's a lot want to go to Jets.
I think they have the weapons in place. They have
a good running back in Breese Hall. They have Garrett Wilson.
It looks like they're trying to get rid of Davante,
but I think they'll draft another receiver. But I think
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that's a place with a good running game. You know,
if you fix that offensive line. Some they have talented
pieces on the defense. It's not the craziest division in
the world to come into and potentially upset some teams
and find a way to sneak into the playoffs. I
think the Jets, that the Jets would be a great
fit for him to have early success. If he's not ready,
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you know, you lean on that run game, Breis Hall
and the rest of them, and you try to build
him as he gets better, as he feels more comfortable
out there, you give him a little bit more. But
I think that would be the best bit for.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Him at this combine. And Richard, you know what all
too well. You guys are under the microscope. But if
you're a GM or a scout, how much weight are
you really putting on the combine these measurables? How fast
these guys are running, how much weight they're putting up
on the bench press. You know, between the combine and
pro days, we've seen a ton of people elevate their
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draft stock or lose their draft stock. But if you
are a GM, how much emphasis truly would you be
looking at these combine results.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I'd say, if it's out of one hundred percent, and
we're saying certain percentages, tape, certain percentages his background information
and personality and you know, any red flags on that side,
I'd say Combine is probably fifteen percent. I'd give it
no more than that because, like how many guys have
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elevated their crazy stock at the combine the fastest guys
in the history of our game. There's not a lot
of All Pros between them, you know what I mean,
on the All Pro on the list of fastest guys
in combine history, Like, there's not a ton of All
Pros and Pro Bowlers between them. You know. I think
Chris Johnson got a couple. You know, Xavier Worthy looks
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looks like a solid character. Reek Tarreek Wooling I got
a Pro Bowl in his rookie year. But it's it's
very few times that you find these guys are gonna
you know, I mean, like all the Combine measurables and
all the the RAS scores are gonna lead to great
football player. There, Guys, if you go through some of
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the greatest players, if you went to the Hall of
Fame list and then went to the RIES scores or
the Combine numbers, it's probably not gonna be the most
impressive numbers you'd have. You know, they talk about the
greatest receiver all time and Jerry Rice running the four
six like you're not gonna find him the crazy combine, now, Jerry,
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I mean, now, Randy Moss's numbers are at a little freakish,
you know. I think t O's numbers are pretty pretty,
pretty great. But everybody's numbers aren't gonna measure that that great.
And so you have to look at the tape and
see the football player and how they maneuver in situations,
how they maneuver when when things are going bad, when
things are going good, how they practice. There's a lot
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more that goes into it. So this has got to
be a small If I'm a head coach, this is
a small part of it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You look at some of the stories, right, I mean,
let's rewind a couple drafts ago, the Trayvon Walker Aiden
Hutchinson draft. I mean, Aiden Hutchinson from a production standpoint
at a U of M was probably the best football
player in that draft, but Trayvon Walker went first because
of measurables. Aiden Hutchinson has shorter arms and we've seen
how that has played off. Aiden Hutchinson, barring that injury,
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was certainly the defensive player of year can at last year,
and we see it now again. I mean, I don't
know the guy's game game at all, but Shamar Stewart
has elevated a toime.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's a riser.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He had one of the best combines at a defensive
end ed rusher in this draft. But then you look
at his production at Texas A and M and you
see two sacks a season. It makes you wonder how
much these guys are thinking. Also, you see Will Campbell
from LSU, the number one offensive tackle candidate. They're saying
his arms are in the six percentile of length, and
now he's being encouraged to move the intier offensive line.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Like It's just wild.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's wild to me to think that an offensive lineman
who's had so much success at LSU, and it's only
done things the way he knows how to do it,
the way his body allows to do it, is being
told he can't play offensive tackle because of his arm length.
Now any thought on that rich, you.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Know, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's almost like they're you know,
when they say a long corner couldn't play in the
league when I was coming up, let him play it
and see, you know what I mean, it's a reason
he's had so much success. And I think they use
these measurables and these these boxes to put people where
they're like, hey, majority of the guys who were this
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size in hand size and arm length, the wingspan have
had success and the guys who haven't have these issues.
But each human beings different, and that's how you gotta
treat it. You gotta treat everybody different. Now you can,
you can use comps and all that, but like, I
hate the combine for a number of reasons and I
would never do it again. But I hate it more
because they they try to bs on my stuff all
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the time, Like I ran a four or five to
one and a four or five four, and now you
look on the website and they put four to six.
I'm like, what did I When did I ever run
a four to six? Yead like literally and every bit
of my combine I ran four and four or five four.
Now to tell the story, I guess they're like Richard
Sherman ran a four to six. I said, day, Like,
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I mean, I'm okay, I was four five one and
four or five four if you want to give me
my slow time, But you don't got to make stuff up.
I think I think the combine is a sham and
it's just something to fill the off season.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well an another add a little more fuel to or fire.
Rich I mean, when you were coming out, your size
six foot three, two hundred pounds or whatever you were
weighing back then was viewed as a negative traite for you, right,
it didn't fit for the position as defensive back.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But I want to read something to you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
For one of the combine risers, Darien Porter out of
Iowa State, six foot three, one hundred and ninety five
pounds with thirty three and an eighth inch arms, quote unquote,
he already boasts ideal size for the position. How times
have changed, my friend?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh my god, my god. I remember hearing them say,
you guys every year they do the whole like forty
forty forty yard dash comparison, and oh, this guy, these
guys are so much faster than Richard Sherman, Like, oh,
they're gonna be better than him. Like I'm gonna let
you know something. I've played a lot of football in
my time, eleven years worth, and I've ran again's, four threes,
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four two's. I don't think any of those guys ever
gave the issues. I've caught a lot of interceptions on him.
I gave a few touchdowns to them. And there's so
much more to the game than that. That speed is
almost like if it hits a certain threshold, if you
can run four five, you're five. You're fine. Running four
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to four doesn't make you better than a guy running
four or five. Running four three really doesn't make you
that much better because it almost makes you more dependent
on it. And so you look at a guy who
runs four three and you're like, Okay, what does this
technique look like? And you're like, his technique isn't that sound?
Because he's fast and he always knows he can catch up.
The guy that runs four or five's technique is really
sound because he knows he can't. He knows he has
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to win early. He knows he has to put himself
in position because if he makes a mistake, it's over with,
the play's done. The guy who runs four to three
knows he has more margin for error, so he works
less on those things. If a guy runs four to
three and his technique is great, then you got Patrick Sartain,
a guy who's gonna be a perennial pro until he's
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done playing this game or until his technique falters. But
I mean he's been a technician since the day he
came in. But I just like we've gotten to a
time where they're they're reaching and these kids are are
able to give them what they want to see, Like
they're able to put the facade up. Some of these
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scouts and gms have been taught to see but they
aren't built with the the strength and integrity and the
and the and the dedication and the drive and the
doll that you got to have to win consistently in
this league. And some of them are like, that's why
some of these SEC kids and these kids from LSU
and Georgia and Bama are having so much success in
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this league because they are still held to that standard
of being a dog. And you see some of these
guys who haven't played hard nosed football and haven't been
challenged are struggling in this league because you can't transfer out,
you can't move, you can't switch teams. When things get hard,
You got to weather the storm. And they don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
How that's the new mindset. We're going to see how
that all plays out here let's talk about the La Rams.
This offseason was filled with conversation about Matthew Stafford. Ultimately,
the Rams gave him the green light to go check
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out what his market value was with other teams, and
we saw there was some interested suitors. The Giants were
one of them. There was some reports that the Raiders
and Tom Brady recording him as well. You know, how
surprised are you with the way the Rams handled this
this offseason with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm not surprised really at all, because they've done what
he wanted them to do. Every other year. You know,
every year it's like, hey, pay me more, and they've
changed and gave more, pay me more. They've they've folded
and gave him more. This year, they were like, hey,
go go see if somebody else will give you more,
because we're tired and you've done great, boss, And if
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you feel like that's us doing great by you, then
go go have at it. And I think sometimes you
got to do that, you know, I mean, he did
push give them a chance and they were a player
or two away from the NFC title game and putting
Eagles out last year. That is a big deal. But
you were also banged up. You're older, you're always on
the edge of retirement. But so that doesn't surprise me
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that much. It's good that they, you know, he made
the decision because I think they said the Giants had
the compensational rams won it, and they had the money
that Stafford wanted, and I think he understood that, Hey,
I have a better chance here with Sean McVeigh and
these receivers and pooping Nikola in the system that I
know and not moving my family all the way to
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New York and starting over again and trying to figure
it out. So I'm going to stay here. And so
I think that was great for both sides. I think
both sides played that as as as reasonably and as
amicably as you could possibly do in that situation.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, while we're talking about QB, so let's talk about
Sam Darnold. It doesn't look like Minnesota is going to
be franchise taking him. They're going to open themselves up
for a mystery this offseason at the quarterback position. Is
it JJ McCarthy's time. Did they look to add another
veteran on top for him? We shall see. But in
terms of Sam Darnold, where do you think is the
best landing spot for him. He showed out a lot
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this year. He showed that he can play this game
at a high level worthy of that top pick that he.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Was years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But where do you think is the best fit for him?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Now? Whoever is on the outside looking in on these
top quarterbacks? So right now, I'd say that's the Raiders,
that's potentially the Jets. Yeah, those teams be lovely right
for oh my god, oh my god, just about full
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circle moment, sir, go of life. That'd be crazy. I
think those teams have to be in on him. I
think Tennessee and those teams that are going to draft
sadu Or and cam Ward and potentially Jackson Dart I'm
hearing now those guys are going to have to if
they want a veteran, then you'd have to pay him
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premium in draft. I don't think they'll do that. I
think that's the situation Atlanta fell into last year, and
obviously now they're stuck. But I don't I don't see
very many places that would pay him over thirty million
dollars in draft a quarterback, So it depends on what
his number is. Maybe he comes back to Minnesota at
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a reasonable price, and and they make it a quarterback competition,
and I think that's the best of both worlds for
that team. But outside of that, I think there are
a few opportunities where he could come in and be
the starter guaranteed and get starter money like he feels
he deserves. And that's unfortunate, but that's what it is
right now.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well, I'm with you, man, I'd love to see him
end up back with the Jets, and I think, frankly,
they should bring in a backup worthy to compete with them,
and that that backup could be Zach Wilson. You want
to talk about full circle moment over there in New York,
That's that's what I would do, you know. So let's
talk about the Steelers a little bit here though, justin
Fields and Russell Wilson opening.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, But I just heard what you said. I just
heard what you said. I just hurt. What's you said?
Mitchell Sack Wilson down. I'm done. That's what I'm doing. Man.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
If you're gonna bring if you're gonna bring back you know,
Sam Darnold, do you might as well bring back Zach
Wilson too, And let these guys fight out.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The fans would burn the stadium down. They would burn
the stadium down.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I would love to see it. The Jets, you know,
obviously with Aaron Glenn at the Helm, they're they're going
to be looking for a quarterback. And when we're talking
about the Jets, let's talk a little bit about what
they're dealing with because Aaron Rodgers, it looks like he
wants to play still, but they've already made it apparent
that they're moving on from him, and it looks like
they're also going to be moving on from Devonte Adams
potentially as well.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You know, here we go.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, if he does move on, obviously he's
in the twilight of his career, Like, where is the
best landing spot for him? Next as him? You you
know he's gonna want to compete, But I don't know,
after we saw what went on with New York, I
know you got a ton of respect for this guy, Rich,
but where is a realistic landing spot for Aaron Rodgers
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at this point of his career.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's tough because it really would have been with the Rams.
It would have been Stafford going out them getting him
for a discount and being able to build around him.
That would have been the best case scenario for him. Now,
I don't know. It just depends on how much they
believe in these young quarterbacks and where he would really play,
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you know, what he played for the New York Giants,
and can they get him. You know, obviously they were
all in on the Stafford deal, and so were the Raiders.
So that shows you that even with this draft coming up,
those teams are really okay and content with going with
a veteran guy, high priced veteran guy. And so I
don't know, I say he you know, Raiders are the Giants.
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If he could get those jobs, he'd take it. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, while we're on the podcast right now, just got
news that DeVante Adams has been released by the team.
So now he enters free agency. Obviously he's going to
be a big name in free agency. Where do you
think he lands? Is it back to the Packers? They
truly need a bona fide number one up in Green Bay?
Could you see something like that?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I could definitely see something like that, and that'd be
like a cool reunion, you know, for the right price,
I'm sure he'd be into it. It'd be a good,
you know, just full circle moment for the franchise, him
potentially finishing his career there and all that. But on
the flip side, if he doesn't and the Packers aren't
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you know, open to that, then I think he goes
and goes wherever Aaron goes. If he goes to the Giants,
I think that Davonte tries to go to the Giants
with Aaron and they try to finish this this rodeo
out together.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That would be a wild one for sure. Staying in
New York, just switching teams. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Though
we already kind of touched on a previously. Last offseason
was a big storyline justin Fields against Russell Wilson. You know,
the Steelers got a luxury and getting Russell Wilson in
there at a minimum contract. But now they're looking at
the same issue again this year. If you're the Steelers,
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who do you bring back? Is it justin Fields, is
it Russell Wilson? Do you bring them both back and
rerun the same roster you had last year? What's your
thought process with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I think you do something you have never done and
you make a really crazy trade and try to get
in the top five and get a quarterback. I'm not
sure who that trade is. You only have a few pieces,
You only have Pickens, Minka, TJ. Like those are pretty
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much your biggest tradable pieces because the options outside of
that are pretty slim. Like do you do you get Aaron?
Do do you trust Sam Darnold to come ruin the
ship in Pittsburgh? Like is that we're going with? You
got to deal with buff but Baltimore multiple times, you
gotta deal with Cincinnati multiple times. I don't you know,
I don't think Sam d is a guy that would
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do well under those circumstances. But if you talk about
in terms of financial compensation, russ will be more expensive
than Fields right now. Obviously, you know there's more experience.
You saw what you can get with Russell. You saw
what you can get with justin Fields. Where do you
see the upside? Who do you see with more upside?
That's gonna be the question, honestly, and I don't have
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the answer. I think I think they got to make
a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the
draft and switch things up. If they don't do that,
then it's pretty much you still just spinning your wheels.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, you're right, they're in this hamster wheel dealing with
you know, quarterback turnover after quarterback turnover ever since you know,
Ben Roethsberger retired, really and they got to find that
next guy for the next five to ten years, not
next one to two years. You know, it's been marvelous
to see this Pittsburgh Steelers organization stay competitive being the
playoffs a year after year. But at some point, and
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as a fan base, just getting into the playoffs is
not enough. And I know they want to win and
be more competitive in the AFC. Let's stay in the division.
Before we wrap, we got to revisit the Miles Garrett discussion.
He's still hot, the hot name in the trade wins
right now. It was news that the Lions were being
extremely aggressive. We know Philly's freeing up money to try
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to make a run at him. Obviously, the Buffalo Bills
have been in that conversation as well. You know, it
looks like Cleveland try to smooth things over with Miles
and renegotiate his contract and extend him, but he has
made it abundantly clear he wants to win now and
play for a competitor. How do you see this situation
shaking out with the Cleveland Browns and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's
a weird situation. If they don't get it done before
the draft, I don't think he gets done. So I'd
be really surprised if it goes past the draft and
gets done because at that point you're trading him for
likely draft picks. You're not going to trade him for
a comparable player. There is no comparable player unless you're,
you know, trading him for TJ. Watt or both sare,
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you know, and no team would do that. So I
don't know where they go from here. I think they
try to trade him for a first round pick, early
first round pick, if any of those teams are interested
in them, if you can get the Giants or somebody
to take the bait. I think maybe if they would
have got Matt Stafford, then they'd be more willing to
play ball in that realm. But I think that's the
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only way the Browns give him up, and otherwise they
keep him franchising.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Well, I'll tell you here, as a detroiter, we would
absolutely love to see him playing opposite Aiden Hutchinson, so
fingers crossed that can happen. But Richard, this is our
first episode in the offseason. I know we're excited to
bring you guys more content as the free agency progresses
along and the NFL Draft approaches.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I will let you sign us off. My friend. Well,
I appreciate you guys joining us again for this offseason podcast,
the first one we've done. We will do many more.
We appreciate you joining us. I know you could be
anywhere in the world and join your time, but you're
here with us and we greatly appreciate it. Have a beautiful,
blessed day. The volume
The volume deultiple championship. That should always be the expectation.
A man, go ahead. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast.
We're in the off season and it's time for free agency. Mitch.
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I know you're excited about your Detroit Lions, but there's
a lot of action out there. How you feeling there
is a lot of action?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
This is some of my favorite time of the year,
rich I mean, we got the NFL combine that just
wrapped up. NFL free agency starts here next week. Let's
start out in San Francisco, though, because we're seeing it
right now. These teams are trying to position themselves getting
ready for free agency, and fortunate unfortunately, we're seeing some
big name players on the move, starting with Deebo Samuel
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out of San Francisco going to the Washington Commanders. The
Commanders give Jade and Daniels some extra help. They got
a surplus a cap space with luxury ahead and Jaden
on the rookie deal. Richard, what are your thoughts on this.
Let's start at it from Washington's perspective. A team that's
dealing in a position of power, with so much money
to spend, how much do you like this move acquiring
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Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I love it. I love it. It's a great move
for them. It's their first move of the off season.
They have a ton of cap space. We're always talking
about their hundred million dollars of cap space that they're
had that they have. Adam Peters was under John Lynch
in San Francisco, so you know, those conversations were probably
free flowing. But I think it's great for both sides.
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You know, you could see Debo world a cool message
about San Francisco, how much he loves Colin John and
how they gave him an opportunity. There's no bad blood there.
I think this is something both sides needed, just a
fresh start. You know, it's human nature. Sometimes you need
a fresh start. You need to try something news, go
somewhere else and figure it out. And I think San
Francisco obviously needed a little bit of cap relief and
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they'll get some of that. And Deebo needed a new
start in a fresh place. And I think he'll be
great for that young receiving corps with scary Terry, how
versatile he can be. I think he'll help them in
the run game, in the past game, and be explosive,
and I think he's excited about that opportunity. Maybe this
is the spark he needed at this time in his career.
And I think I'm really happy for him and for
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them and how it played out, because I think this
is about as clean as they could get in the NFL. Hey,
both sides. You know, it could get dirty and ugly
sometimes where everybody's saying names and saying bad things about
each other. But this wasn't like that. You know, the
forty nine ers. He expressed he wanted to go somewhere else.
Forty nine ers said, Okay, we appreciate everything you've done
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for us. We'll do our best to get you to
a competitive team, and that's what they did. I think
both sides are happy and it's going to work out well.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
You gotta love it. From Devo's perspective, I mean, to
be able to partner up with Jaden Daniels, this is
like the perfect compliment to him. You got scary Terry
McLaurin on one side, and then you get you get
Deebo Samuel inserted in that offense. I mean, what are
your thoughts on how this changes them in terms of
the landscape of the NFC. Does this help push them
further to that top bracket of the NFC with true
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NFC contenders going in the next year.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Well, I think it definitely puts them in a conversation.
You know, obviously they're in a division with the Philadelphia Eagles,
who just came off a Super Bowl win against the
Kennas City Chiefs, So you know, they still have to
get in a conversation where you gotta win your division.
That's a tough division to win. The Dallas Cowboys had
a bad year, but they'll be back. I think this
puts them in a conversation, but we have to see
how it all plays out on the field. I think
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they're going to make a lot of other moves and
spend a lot of that money in free agency, maybe
getting some online help, some pass rushers, maybe another corner
or two, and I think that that'll help them move
further into that conversation. I think retaining their own guys.
You know, see if they bring back Bobby Wagner, if
that's a move they meant make, or if they pushed
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Louvu into the Mike linebacker spot and then draft another one.
I'm not sure, but I think as they continue to
make moves. This definitely makes him a more attractive destination.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
You gotta love it as a Washington Commander fan. Let's
talk about the Niners, though, I mean, I think a
lot of fans would be a little surprised only getting
a fifth round pick and return from debo. Does that
surprise you at all? Did you expect more than a fifth.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Well, it just depended. It depended on the situation. If
the San Francisco forty nine ers were going to have
to pay Deebo's bonus and pay his salary for the year,
then of course they would would get more draft compensation.
But I think once you count the fact that the
Washington's going to take on the bonus and take on
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the salary, that's the reason why the draft compensation was less.
And I think that's why San Francisco was okay with it,
rather than waiting for after the draft and trying to
do a June first kind of deal. You know, I
think this was a situation where they got something for him,
and they put him in a place he wanted to
to be, and he was able to keep the salary
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that he's making.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Well, you look at the forty nine ers the roster now,
specifically that wider receiver room. Obviously, they invested a first
round pick in Ricky Pursaul last year and Brandon Ayuk
went out early in that season. But it was the
emergence of Dwan Jennings, mister third down third and Juwan
Juwan Jennings. Do you see him stepping up and filling
this debo role.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Well, I saw him stepping up last year, filling every role,
and so I expect that to continue. I think they
value him. I think they saw the value in him,
and in a lot of games, you know, he was dominating,
he was unguardable at times. And then I think George Kittle,
I think it goes back to you know, sometimes you
have too many miles to feed, and you don't have
enough footballs. There's only one football and you're trying to
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feed Christian McCaffery, Kittle, hi Yuk. You're trying to get
it to depot and now you got to this draft
pick in Persaul, and you're trying to make sure you
keep everybody happy, and it's very difficult to do. And
I think this kind of simplifies things. I think it
gets Kittle more the offense and I think at times
they had to rely on him, and he obviously has
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been fantastic and one of the best tight ends in
a game. And I think down the stretch of Kyle
Shanahan realized that, hey, we're not using George Kittle enough.
We need to find a way to get him in
the ball. And you cannot get everybody to the ball
when you have so many mouths to feed. Once Brandon
comes back, once Christian comes back, you know, then what
happens to Juwan Jennings is he's just the third down
guy again now, and I don't think he wants to
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fall back into that role. So, you know, I think
this is this is sometimes addition by subtraction, just you know,
kind of simplifying. Hey, I don't have to get the
ball to all these guys anymore. I can just run
the offense more straightforward.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Let's move on and talk about the defending champs. The
Philadelphi Eagles caught headlines here with some some notable cuts.
A friend of the program, I know, one of your
good friends, Darius big Play Sligh is cut along with
James Bradbury. A lot of this could be just you know,
cap restructuring. Maybe they bring these guys back, maybe not
know what what are your reaction to these moves from
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the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Well, when he took corners in the first and second
round last year, you can see what direction they want
to go. Quenyall Mitchell looked like a perennial All Pro,
perennial Pro Bowl type player. Cooper dejen looked great in
the inside and the nickel safety, you know, rover kind
of role that he played in Vic's defense. I think
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that's what they're thinking. I think they would love to
have Slay back in a lesser on a lesser salary.
And I don't know what the logistics of the salary
were where they couldn't just restructure him and continue, but
I think that just pushes the cap hit out later.
And you know, maybe they just want to do something
now and lower it now, and it made more financial
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sense to cut him and then resign him for a
lower number than to just restructure him and push them
the salary out. I don't know what they're gonna do
with James Bradberry, but maybe they want him back to
But again, they've they've drafted really well at that position.
They have death and they feel comfortable with that depth.
I expect Slay. He's a guy that that Philadelphia has loved,
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the fans love, the team loves. He played well in
the playoffs, he played well in the big games, and
I think he's done a great job mentoring those young
guys and helping them develop in the way they have.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Where do you see is a good fit for Slay
if it's not Philly, If if Philly does ultimately.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Move on from him.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
I know there's been rumblings about sending him head here
to Detroit, and lord knows the Detroit fan base would
love to have Slagh. But where do you think is
the best fit, best fit for Slay moving forward?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know, I could see that happening. I can see
him going back to Detroit. I mean, any any, any
contending team, you know. I think he'll have his pick.
And I don't think he's going to a developing team,
a team that's trying to figure it out. I think
he's going to go to a team that is ready
to win. Now. I'm not sure if Buffalo is an option.
You know, obviously they have really talented young corners, but
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a good veteran always helps a room like that come together.
Kansas City could be an option as always as it
is for everyone. Detroit is a really competitive team, and
you know somewhere like Green Bay would make sense for
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
Let's talk about the Dallas Cowboys. They always seem to
be a mystery be in the off season at least
of late and now the got big name to be
paid is Micah Parsons. But today there's breaking news that
they paid somebody else always saw Odiggi Zuoa, the defensive
tackle gets a four year, eighty million dollar deal with
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fifty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
How disrespectful is this?
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Do you think to pay Osa first before Micah Parsons?
Because this seems like a sizeable number to be thrown
out when you got to also pay Michaeah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I said this last year and I'm saying again this
off season. It doesn't seem like they want to pay
Michael Parsons. He does, he can, He's put on tape,
really good tape. He's been really impactful, one of the
best defensive players in the National Football League and as undeniable,
and still they haven't paid him. The number only continues
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to go up as the cap goes up. The Caps
at what two seventy seven now or two seventy nine,
which means his number is only going up. It was
what it supposed to get, thirty three to thirty four million,
which means his is going to be thirty six thirty
seven million dollars now, and you just gave twenty million
dollars to his running mate before him. I just you know,
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I don't know. I mean, Steven Jones said they're gonna
be strategic about how they pay this season, and it
doesn't make sense how you're doing it. Maybe they don't
value him, maybe they're gonna move on for Michael Parsons,
But I mean, even then, I think we would see
some movement before the draft, and the draft is coming
up here fast, in a hurry, and so I haven't
heard any rumblings unless they're keeping it all under wraps,
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like the Luka Donciz trade of Michael Parsons being moved
for any substantial draft considerations, and that's what it would take,
you know, it take a top ten pick. I would
imagine to get Michael Parsons from the Dallas Cowboys. But
I don't see why the Dallas Cowboys do it outside
of you not wanting to pay him, or you know
something everybody else doesn't know. But I also don't understand
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why you haven't paid him yet. Like it's not like
his his his production has fallen off a cliff at
any point in time. He's been really productive, he's played hard,
he's played well. He hasn't been incredibly injury prone throughout
his career. So this move is just is just headscratch
because you have one of the best players in the league.
He's right here. You could pay him, and instead you're
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paying everybody else. You paid, You paid Dak Prescott, top money,
you paid Cede Lamb, top money, you paid Diggy Zua,
I mean top money. For what he's put on. He
had four and a half sacks last year, and so
I don't know. I don't know what this move says.
I don't know what Micah Parsons feels about it. But
if I was him, I'd be calling my agent like, hey,
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coming the price went up.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
I don't understand what's in the water down there in Dallas.
I mean, this management of both the Mavericks and the
Dallas Cowboys, it's very perplexing.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
To say the least.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
We got to talk about a guy I know you
have a lot of respect for and his name's going
to be high on the list of potential number one pick,
and that's Travis Hunter. I mean, this guy is a
Swiss Army knife, arguably one of the best defensive backs
in the college football landscape, as well as the best
wide receivers. You know, I know we've talked about it
in the past, but where do you see Travis Hunter
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being the best fit at this next step?
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Is it dB?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Does he play a little bit of wide out? Does
he split between the two? Like if you were drafting
Travis Hunter, what role would you put him in.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We've we've we've gone down this road. We've we've gone
down this road for for better or force. Yeah, I
play him that corner, you know, I let him, I
let him spotlight at receiver. But I think, you know,
the the greatest effect he could have is that corner.
But you know, as he said multiple times, he wants
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to do full time both, and if the team gives
him an opportunity, I'd love to see it, you know
what I mean. It hasn't been done on a full
time basis in a national football league that I can
remember in recent memory, and it would be something that'd
be really incredible to see. It make him a true
unicorn once in a lifetime kind of player that we've
never seen before. We've seen guys do it in college,
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but not to the stiff that he did in college.
So let's not put anything past it now. Him saying
what he's doing harder than what so he a Tani's doing,
and that's all debatable, you know, that's all subject to
how hard you think baseball is versus how hard you
think football is. I've never played baseball on a professional
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level or even collegiate level, so I'm not even going
to speculate on how hard it is. You know, I
get frustrated with fans talking about man, just God should
have been able to catch that, and you do this,
and it's like you've never been in that situation.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I have.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It's very much different, much harder than it looks. But
if I just looked at it somewhat objectively, just the
physical strain that I think it appears to have to
do what o Tani's doing versus what what Travis Hunter
is doing. I think it's more physically demanding what Travis
Hunter is trying to do when he wants to do
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in the NFL, just because I mean, it literally takes
a physical toll. I'm sure you can measure the amount
of miles he would be running, or an amount of yards
he would be running per game, the miles per hour,
the energy he exerts each and every play. I mean,
I'm sure you can measure these things. And if you
did it by that, what Travis is doing is going
to be considered more difficult. If you talk about just
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skill and the skill it takes to execute the task
that's being asked to you. I think that's where where
sohe's talent is really really magnified because it's such a
unique skill set that he has that few people on
earth can do. But it's the same is true with Travis,
you know, being able to translate transfer his mind from
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offensive to defensive playbooks, to understand the situations, to understand
what this receiver is giving you versus what this corner
is giving you. To just to just click a flip
a switch on and off is incredibly difficult in football.
That's why most people only play one side of the
football for the majority of their career, because once you
flip the other side, a lot of people can't execute
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at such a high level. They they aren't the same
kind of player. It's too much thinking maybe you're maybe
you're a free, free player on the offensive side, but
on defense you're like, you know, kind of in your
head about certain things in your you're panicked or you're
you're indecisive. And Travis does that seamlessly, and that that
should be celebrated and really appreciated because it's an incredible
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skill that he has. I don't know who he reminds
me of, because it's there's nobody really built like him
or trying to do what he's done. So I mean
the guys that have done it. Champ Bailey Dion, Charles
Woodson have played both sides of the ball, and then
going to the league, Chris Gamble Hester. Those are all
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the ones I can think of off the top of
my head. I played some offense in college and then
I played defense in college, but I never played them
both at the same time outside of a spring game,
and I've dominated in that game. But I can't say
he reminds me anybody. He's a unique He's a unique player.
He's a unique talent.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, I think you mentioned one guy is Charles Woodson,
But I mean even his use of Jeff Michigan wasn't
to the same magnitude as Travis Hunters at Colorado. And
you gotta give Travis Hunter a ton of credit for
what he's been able to achieve playing college football. It's
truly marvelous. And if he's able to do that same
thing in the NFL, he's going to be a one
of one. But let's talk about him as a dB
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because that's your specialty. Rich What do you view as
his biggest strength as a draft prospect if you're trying
to break down his game.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Well, he has incredible instincts, just football instincts that things
that can't be taught. His feel and zone coverage is
really really incredible. His ball skills apparently are really, you know,
top of the line, top notch on both sides of football.
He hides points at like nobody else. His fearlessness and again,
his just brain, his intelligence, his football IQ to be
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able to flip a switch and go offensive mindset and
attack and run his routes and no coverages and know
where to sit in the zones and know where people
are help defenders are coming from, and then to flip
it on to defense and say, all right, man, I'm
in cover two, Cover three, I'm in man to man
and I'm trying not to get picked. I got to
undicate with this guy. We got in and out calls.
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We got different calls in a bunch, who has two,
who has three? Who has this? Hey, where's the robber
in this call? You know, there are so many moving
parts to it. What's my run responsibility on this play?
And he does that so seamlessly that people don't even
know that it's difficult and he's done that, and so
that's really been impressive to me.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Let's talk a little bit about the Cincinnati Bengals. We've
talked about him in years past and podcasts of old
and you mentioned it a couple off seasons ago. This
Cincinnati Bengals team to put simply as cheap. They don't
like to play their pay their players, and I know
they're up against it. I know they had to pay
Joe Burrow, and Joe Burrow wants to keep the band
together with Jamar Chase and T Higgins, but they're faced
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in this financial situation where it's almost like they got
to pay one or the other. And it's pretty obvious
that T Higgins isn't top of their priority list. They're
franchise taking T Higgins for the second year in a row.
He's gonna get a take a twenty six point two
million dollars. Like, what do you think is the end
game with this T Higgins situation? Do you think he's
a Cincinnati Bengal next year? You think they're going to
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try to move on from him? Because I don't see
how you can possibly pay both these guys the amount
of money that I'm sure that they want.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Well, there's a way you can do it. You know,
we can't say there's no way you can do it.
When we see the Philadelphia Eagles playing all day, always open,
AJ Brown and Davonte Smith. Dvante Smith was making twenty five,
which is, you know, a little less than a franchise
tag T Higgins just got and AJ Brown's making top
receiver money. And now, of course Chamar Chase wants more
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than Justin Jefferson's thirty five point one or whatever it is.
He wants one hundred thousand over whatever Jefferson Jefferson may
he won it that last year, so the price only
goes up, So I wouldn't be surprised to be ax
him for thirty seven this year. And again this is
the price of waiting. The price of not getting your
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guy is sewn up early. You end up paying more
because the cap only goes up. And I don't know
if these owners are banking on these guys getting hurd
are these guys not having a great season. But if
Mike Brown was banking on Jamar Chase not having a
great season, this was the absolute worst bet in the
history of the National Football League. Not only did he
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have a great season, he had one of the best seasons.
He had the Triple Crown season. And now you have
to pay him post Triple Crown like you could have
just paid him straight up. Now you got to pay
him post triple Crown, and so he can name his price.
And now you've given him even more leverage by putting
a franchise tag on T Higgins and not him, because
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now he knows he's not gonna get tagged, and so
he can challenge every bit of this and push you
to the limit. And I think that's gonna be the
hard part now, is because I don't think they ever
anticipated playing top receiver money to either one of them,
and they're gonna have to really pay it to T
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Higgins in a big way. I would five years one
eighty something around there, Mitchell, that's probably where he's gonna
be close to five years one eighty if not more,
and they're gonna have to pay it. Are you gonna
have to watch him walk? And that would be one
of the craziest things in the history if if Jamar
Chase ever hit free agency, that would be one of
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the crazy that would be up there with Luca Donsons
getting traded to the Lakers, even though I love that
move more than anything.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I know you do, well, I mean, we saw something
similar happen in San Francisco right, they went out and
paid Debo, and then they got the situation that they
were in last offseason with Brandon ahu Can ultimately had
to pay him too, And now we see how that
situation shakes out a year later. I just don't know
if there's a way to please both parties here. We'll
see how the Bengals handled this situation, because certainly they
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were one of the hottest teams towards the end of
last season. It was too little, too late, you know,
ultimately for the the whle they dug themselves in early
in the season. But this team, with Joe Burrow in
his prime, if you get those two receivers paired up
and happy with him, the sky's the limit for this franchise.
So hopefully that they get this squared away soon. Let's
go back to the Colorado Buffs. We got to talk
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a little bit about Shador Sanders. He was at the combine.
Didn't really work out, but was there, and we saw,
you know, some of the feedback coming in from these
anonymous QB coaches saying that Shadoor Sanders was arrogant, in brash,
you know. Shador responded, how do you know? I mean
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what do you make of this? Does it matter if
he's arrogant and brash? It seems like prooson the pudding
with him. He helped turn Colorado around and Jackson State around.
You know what's your thoughts on this Shador Sanders situation.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It matters, It matters, But it matters because you're talking
about personality traits. You're talking about a guy who's going
to lead a franch But it's not bad. It's not
always bad. I'm sure there are people that think Joe
Burrow comes off that way. There are probably people that
have met Patrick Mahomes that maybe think he comes off
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that way. I don't think I've ever heard anybody say
Lamar Jackson because he's super humble, like down to earth
the guy. But there are quarterbacks in this league that
come off that way. I mean, how if they talked
about Aaron Rodgers for the past decade or two, like,
if he can play the game, it doesn't matter. But
if you can't put your name behind it, shut up.
Like if you can't put your name behind talking about
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somebody else's name, then you probably shouldn't be saying what
you're saying. Like I can sit here and put my
name face in reputation on what I say, because it
is what it is. You know, if you agree, you
would agree. If you don't, you don't. You know, I
believe what I'm saying is true, and if I'm proven wrong,
I can accept. Hey, I was wrong about that, but
I thought that at the time, and thank goodness, somebody
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was able to show me better or show me wiser.
But I don't appreciate guys trying to slander guys and
trying to put paint guys in a negative light to
try to affect their livelihood, Like I'm not about that
coming off arrogant, brash. What does it benefit you to
say that? And that would be my question, like what
benefit do you receive by saying this? You feel like,
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oh man, yeah, let me get this out there for
everybody so that you know they can know this kid
is is who he truly is, Like, why aren't you
telling me how any other quarterback interview? Why why am
I not hearing what Jackson Dart's personality is? Why why
am I not hearing what what what cam Wart's personality
is in the room? You know what? Like, why are
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they so energized to talk negatively about your door, is
my question. And and and not even talk anyway about
the other guys, Like I don't hear any any anybody
there's other top quarterbacks being picked in this raft, and
I don't hear anybody talking about, oh man, this guy's
this a right, this guy coming off bland or are
not the smartest, Like it seems like they want to
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tear down who they want to tear down. They want
to build up who they want build up. But if
you're gonna tear a kid down, stand on it, like, Hey,
I'm I'm the quarterbacks coach for the for the uh
the La Las Vegas Raiders. And I think shad Or
Sanders is little arrogant. I think he's little. But you can't.
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But you can't because you know what you're saying is
gonna be controversial, It's gonna be talked about everywhere. Not
everybody's gonna agree, not everybody's gonna disagree. And so when
you do that and you don't put your name on it,
you're like, hey, hey, I'm out of it. I'm just
doing I'm just doing a uh, I'm just doing a
spark into the fire. I'm just throwing throwing nonsense out there.
I don't want to be attached to it. I don't
want you guys to come for me like no, bro, no, no.
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If he's arrogant and brass saying say say it with
all your jests and put your name behind it, and
then I could believe it, then I'll trust it.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well, let's talk about the NFL combine a little bit more.
This is the time of the season where everyone's together.
There's a lot of smoke screens going on, and maybe
that take is a smoke screen. Maybe someone wants Shador
Sandals to fall to them. Who do you like most
as a fit for Is it the Giants? Do you
like the Raiders? Where do you see him having the
most early success and being the best fit?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
H If I was him, I would want to go
to the Jets. That's a lot want to go to Jets.
I think they have the weapons in place. They have
a good running back in Breese Hall. They have Garrett Wilson.
It looks like they're trying to get rid of Davante,
but I think they'll draft another receiver. But I think
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that's a place with a good running game. You know,
if you fix that offensive line. Some they have talented
pieces on the defense. It's not the craziest division in
the world to come into and potentially upset some teams
and find a way to sneak into the playoffs. I
think the Jets, that the Jets would be a great
fit for him to have early success. If he's not ready,
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you know, you lean on that run game, Breis Hall
and the rest of them, and you try to build
him as he gets better, as he feels more comfortable
out there, you give him a little bit more. But
I think that would be the best bit for.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Him at this combine. And Richard, you know what all
too well. You guys are under the microscope. But if
you're a GM or a scout, how much weight are
you really putting on the combine these measurables? How fast
these guys are running, how much weight they're putting up
on the bench press. You know, between the combine and
pro days, we've seen a ton of people elevate their
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draft stock or lose their draft stock. But if you
are a GM, how much emphasis truly would you be
looking at these combine results.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I'd say, if it's out of one hundred percent, and
we're saying certain percentages, tape, certain percentages his background information
and personality and you know, any red flags on that side,
I'd say Combine is probably fifteen percent. I'd give it
no more than that because, like how many guys have
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elevated their crazy stock at the combine the fastest guys
in the history of our game. There's not a lot
of All Pros between them, you know what I mean,
on the All Pro on the list of fastest guys
in combine history, Like, there's not a ton of All
Pros and Pro Bowlers between them. You know. I think
Chris Johnson got a couple. You know, Xavier Worthy looks
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looks like a solid character. Reek Tarreek Wooling I got
a Pro Bowl in his rookie year. But it's it's
very few times that you find these guys are gonna
you know, I mean, like all the Combine measurables and
all the the RAS scores are gonna lead to great
football player. There, Guys, if you go through some of
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the greatest players, if you went to the Hall of
Fame list and then went to the RIES scores or
the Combine numbers, it's probably not gonna be the most
impressive numbers you'd have. You know, they talk about the
greatest receiver all time and Jerry Rice running the four
six like you're not gonna find him the crazy combine, now, Jerry,
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I mean, now, Randy Moss's numbers are at a little freakish,
you know. I think t O's numbers are pretty pretty,
pretty great. But everybody's numbers aren't gonna measure that that great.
And so you have to look at the tape and
see the football player and how they maneuver in situations,
how they maneuver when when things are going bad, when
things are going good, how they practice. There's a lot
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more that goes into it. So this has got to
be a small If I'm a head coach, this is
a small part of it.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
You look at some of the stories, right, I mean,
let's rewind a couple drafts ago, the Trayvon Walker Aiden
Hutchinson draft. I mean, Aiden Hutchinson from a production standpoint
at a U of M was probably the best football
player in that draft, but Trayvon Walker went first because
of measurables. Aiden Hutchinson has shorter arms and we've seen
how that has played off. Aiden Hutchinson, barring that injury,
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was certainly the defensive player of year can at last year,
and we see it now again. I mean, I don't
know the guy's game game at all, but Shamar Stewart
has elevated a toime.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
He's a riser.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He had one of the best combines at a defensive
end ed rusher in this draft. But then you look
at his production at Texas A and M and you
see two sacks a season. It makes you wonder how
much these guys are thinking. Also, you see Will Campbell
from LSU, the number one offensive tackle candidate. They're saying
his arms are in the six percentile of length, and
now he's being encouraged to move the intier offensive line.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Like It's just wild.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's wild to me to think that an offensive lineman
who's had so much success at LSU, and it's only
done things the way he knows how to do it,
the way his body allows to do it, is being
told he can't play offensive tackle because of his arm length.
Now any thought on that rich, you.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Know, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's almost like they're you know,
when they say a long corner couldn't play in the
league when I was coming up, let him play it
and see, you know what I mean, it's a reason
he's had so much success. And I think they use
these measurables and these these boxes to put people where
they're like, hey, majority of the guys who were this
(31:56):
size in hand size and arm length, the wingspan have
had success and the guys who haven't have these issues.
But each human beings different, and that's how you gotta
treat it. You gotta treat everybody different. Now you can,
you can use comps and all that, but like, I
hate the combine for a number of reasons and I
would never do it again. But I hate it more
because they they try to bs on my stuff all
(32:18):
the time, Like I ran a four or five to
one and a four or five four, and now you
look on the website and they put four to six.
I'm like, what did I When did I ever run
a four to six? Yead like literally and every bit
of my combine I ran four and four or five four.
Now to tell the story, I guess they're like Richard
Sherman ran a four to six. I said, day, Like,
(32:39):
I mean, I'm okay, I was four five one and
four or five four if you want to give me
my slow time, But you don't got to make stuff up.
I think I think the combine is a sham and
it's just something to fill the off season.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well an another add a little more fuel to or fire.
Rich I mean, when you were coming out, your size
six foot three, two hundred pounds or whatever you were
weighing back then was viewed as a negative traite for you, right,
it didn't fit for the position as defensive back.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
But I want to read something to you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
For one of the combine risers, Darien Porter out of
Iowa State, six foot three, one hundred and ninety five
pounds with thirty three and an eighth inch arms, quote unquote,
he already boasts ideal size for the position. How times
have changed, my friend?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Oh my god, my god. I remember hearing them say,
you guys every year they do the whole like forty
forty forty yard dash comparison, and oh, this guy, these
guys are so much faster than Richard Sherman, Like, oh,
they're gonna be better than him. Like I'm gonna let
you know something. I've played a lot of football in
my time, eleven years worth, and I've ran again's, four threes,
(33:45):
four two's. I don't think any of those guys ever
gave the issues. I've caught a lot of interceptions on him.
I gave a few touchdowns to them. And there's so
much more to the game than that. That speed is
almost like if it hits a certain threshold, if you
can run four five, you're five. You're fine. Running four
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to four doesn't make you better than a guy running
four or five. Running four three really doesn't make you
that much better because it almost makes you more dependent
on it. And so you look at a guy who
runs four three and you're like, Okay, what does this
technique look like? And you're like, his technique isn't that sound?
Because he's fast and he always knows he can catch up.
The guy that runs four or five's technique is really
sound because he knows he can't. He knows he has
(34:30):
to win early. He knows he has to put himself
in position because if he makes a mistake, it's over with,
the play's done. The guy who runs four to three
knows he has more margin for error, so he works
less on those things. If a guy runs four to
three and his technique is great, then you got Patrick Sartain,
a guy who's gonna be a perennial pro until he's
(34:51):
done playing this game or until his technique falters. But
I mean he's been a technician since the day he
came in. But I just like we've gotten to a
time where they're they're reaching and these kids are are
able to give them what they want to see, Like
they're able to put the facade up. Some of these
(35:13):
scouts and gms have been taught to see but they
aren't built with the the strength and integrity and the
and the and the dedication and the drive and the
doll that you got to have to win consistently in
this league. And some of them are like, that's why
some of these SEC kids and these kids from LSU
and Georgia and Bama are having so much success in
(35:34):
this league because they are still held to that standard
of being a dog. And you see some of these
guys who haven't played hard nosed football and haven't been
challenged are struggling in this league because you can't transfer out,
you can't move, you can't switch teams. When things get hard,
You got to weather the storm. And they don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
How that's the new mindset. We're going to see how
that all plays out here let's talk about the La Rams.
This offseason was filled with conversation about Matthew Stafford. Ultimately,
the Rams gave him the green light to go check
(36:14):
out what his market value was with other teams, and
we saw there was some interested suitors. The Giants were
one of them. There was some reports that the Raiders
and Tom Brady recording him as well. You know, how
surprised are you with the way the Rams handled this
this offseason with Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm not surprised really at all, because they've done what
he wanted them to do. Every other year. You know,
every year it's like, hey, pay me more, and they've
changed and gave more, pay me more. They've they've folded
and gave him more. This year, they were like, hey,
go go see if somebody else will give you more,
because we're tired and you've done great, boss, And if
(36:50):
you feel like that's us doing great by you, then
go go have at it. And I think sometimes you
got to do that, you know, I mean, he did
push give them a chance and they were a player
or two away from the NFC title game and putting
Eagles out last year. That is a big deal. But
you were also banged up. You're older, you're always on
the edge of retirement. But so that doesn't surprise me
(37:11):
that much. It's good that they, you know, he made
the decision because I think they said the Giants had
the compensational rams won it, and they had the money
that Stafford wanted, and I think he understood that, Hey,
I have a better chance here with Sean McVeigh and
these receivers and pooping Nikola in the system that I
know and not moving my family all the way to
(37:31):
New York and starting over again and trying to figure
it out. So I'm going to stay here. And so
I think that was great for both sides. I think
both sides played that as as as reasonably and as
amicably as you could possibly do in that situation.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well, while we're talking about QB, so let's talk about
Sam Darnold. It doesn't look like Minnesota is going to
be franchise taking him. They're going to open themselves up
for a mystery this offseason at the quarterback position. Is
it JJ McCarthy's time. Did they look to add another
veteran on top for him? We shall see. But in
terms of Sam Darnold, where do you think is the
best landing spot for him. He showed out a lot
(38:07):
this year. He showed that he can play this game
at a high level worthy of that top pick that he.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Was years ago.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
But where do you think is the best fit for him?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Now? Whoever is on the outside looking in on these
top quarterbacks? So right now, I'd say that's the Raiders,
that's potentially the Jets. Yeah, those teams be lovely right
for oh my god, oh my god, just about full
(38:36):
circle moment, sir, go of life. That'd be crazy. I
think those teams have to be in on him. I
think Tennessee and those teams that are going to draft
sadu Or and cam Ward and potentially Jackson Dart I'm
hearing now those guys are going to have to if
they want a veteran, then you'd have to pay him
(38:57):
premium in draft. I don't think they'll do that. I
think that's the situation Atlanta fell into last year, and
obviously now they're stuck. But I don't I don't see
very many places that would pay him over thirty million
dollars in draft a quarterback, So it depends on what
his number is. Maybe he comes back to Minnesota at
(39:19):
a reasonable price, and and they make it a quarterback competition,
and I think that's the best of both worlds for
that team. But outside of that, I think there are
a few opportunities where he could come in and be
the starter guaranteed and get starter money like he feels
he deserves. And that's unfortunate, but that's what it is
right now.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well, I'm with you, man, I'd love to see him
end up back with the Jets, and I think, frankly,
they should bring in a backup worthy to compete with them,
and that that backup could be Zach Wilson. You want
to talk about full circle moment over there in New York,
That's that's what I would do, you know. So let's
talk about the Steelers a little bit here though, justin
Fields and Russell Wilson opening.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, But I just heard what you said. I just
heard what you said. I just hurt. What's you said?
Mitchell Sack Wilson down. I'm done. That's what I'm doing. Man.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
If you're gonna bring if you're gonna bring back you know,
Sam Darnold, do you might as well bring back Zach
Wilson too, And let these guys fight out.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
The fans would burn the stadium down. They would burn
the stadium down.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
I would love to see it. The Jets, you know,
obviously with Aaron Glenn at the Helm, they're they're going
to be looking for a quarterback. And when we're talking
about the Jets, let's talk a little bit about what
they're dealing with because Aaron Rodgers, it looks like he
wants to play still, but they've already made it apparent
that they're moving on from him, and it looks like
they're also going to be moving on from Devonte Adams
potentially as well.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
You know, here we go.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, if he does move on, obviously he's
in the twilight of his career, Like, where is the
best landing spot for him? Next as him? You you
know he's gonna want to compete, But I don't know,
after we saw what went on with New York, I
know you got a ton of respect for this guy, Rich,
but where is a realistic landing spot for Aaron Rodgers
(41:06):
at this point of his career.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's tough because it really would have been with the Rams.
It would have been Stafford going out them getting him
for a discount and being able to build around him.
That would have been the best case scenario for him. Now,
I don't know. It just depends on how much they
believe in these young quarterbacks and where he would really play,
(41:30):
you know, what he played for the New York Giants,
and can they get him. You know, obviously they were
all in on the Stafford deal, and so were the Raiders.
So that shows you that even with this draft coming up,
those teams are really okay and content with going with
a veteran guy, high priced veteran guy. And so I
don't know, I say he you know, Raiders are the Giants.
(41:54):
If he could get those jobs, he'd take it. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, while we're on the podcast right now, just got
news that DeVante Adams has been released by the team.
So now he enters free agency. Obviously he's going to
be a big name in free agency. Where do you
think he lands? Is it back to the Packers? They
truly need a bona fide number one up in Green Bay?
Could you see something like that?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I could definitely see something like that, and that'd be
like a cool reunion, you know, for the right price,
I'm sure he'd be into it. It'd be a good,
you know, just full circle moment for the franchise, him
potentially finishing his career there and all that. But on
the flip side, if he doesn't and the Packers aren't
(42:39):
you know, open to that, then I think he goes
and goes wherever Aaron goes. If he goes to the Giants,
I think that Davonte tries to go to the Giants
with Aaron and they try to finish this this rodeo
out together.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That would be a wild one for sure. Staying in
New York, just switching teams. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Though
we already kind of touched on a previously. Last offseason
was a big storyline justin Fields against Russell Wilson. You know,
the Steelers got a luxury and getting Russell Wilson in
there at a minimum contract. But now they're looking at
the same issue again this year. If you're the Steelers,
(43:15):
who do you bring back? Is it justin Fields, is
it Russell Wilson? Do you bring them both back and
rerun the same roster you had last year? What's your
thought process with the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I think you do something you have never done and
you make a really crazy trade and try to get
in the top five and get a quarterback. I'm not
sure who that trade is. You only have a few pieces,
You only have Pickens, Minka, TJ. Like those are pretty
(43:47):
much your biggest tradable pieces because the options outside of
that are pretty slim. Like do you do you get Aaron?
Do do you trust Sam Darnold to come ruin the
ship in Pittsburgh? Like is that we're going with? You
got to deal with buff but Baltimore multiple times, you
gotta deal with Cincinnati multiple times. I don't you know,
I don't think Sam d is a guy that would
(44:09):
do well under those circumstances. But if you talk about
in terms of financial compensation, russ will be more expensive
than Fields right now. Obviously, you know there's more experience.
You saw what you can get with Russell. You saw
what you can get with justin Fields. Where do you
see the upside? Who do you see with more upside?
That's gonna be the question, honestly, and I don't have
(44:30):
the answer. I think I think they got to make
a move to finally get a franchise quarterback in the
draft and switch things up. If they don't do that,
then it's pretty much you still just spinning your wheels.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, you're right, they're in this hamster wheel dealing with
you know, quarterback turnover after quarterback turnover ever since you know,
Ben Roethsberger retired, really and they got to find that
next guy for the next five to ten years, not
next one to two years. You know, it's been marvelous
to see this Pittsburgh Steelers organization stay competitive being the
playoffs a year after year. But at some point, and
(45:00):
as a fan base, just getting into the playoffs is
not enough. And I know they want to win and
be more competitive in the AFC. Let's stay in the division.
Before we wrap, we got to revisit the Miles Garrett discussion.
He's still hot, the hot name in the trade wins
right now. It was news that the Lions were being
extremely aggressive. We know Philly's freeing up money to try
(45:20):
to make a run at him. Obviously, the Buffalo Bills
have been in that conversation as well. You know, it
looks like Cleveland try to smooth things over with Miles
and renegotiate his contract and extend him, but he has
made it abundantly clear he wants to win now and
play for a competitor. How do you see this situation
shaking out with the Cleveland Browns and Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's
a weird situation. If they don't get it done before
the draft, I don't think he gets done. So I'd
be really surprised if it goes past the draft and
gets done because at that point you're trading him for
likely draft picks. You're not going to trade him for
a comparable player. There is no comparable player unless you're,
you know, trading him for TJ. Watt or both sare,
(46:02):
you know, and no team would do that. So I
don't know where they go from here. I think they
try to trade him for a first round pick, early
first round pick, if any of those teams are interested
in them, if you can get the Giants or somebody
to take the bait. I think maybe if they would
have got Matt Stafford, then they'd be more willing to
play ball in that realm. But I think that's the
(46:23):
only way the Browns give him up, and otherwise they
keep him franchising.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
Well, I'll tell you here, as a detroiter, we would
absolutely love to see him playing opposite Aiden Hutchinson, so
fingers crossed that can happen. But Richard, this is our
first episode in the offseason. I know we're excited to
bring you guys more content as the free agency progresses
along and the NFL Draft approaches.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I will let you sign us off. My friend. Well,
I appreciate you guys joining us again for this offseason podcast,
the first one we've done. We will do many more.
We appreciate you joining us. I know you could be
anywhere in the world and join your time, but you're
here with us and we greatly appreciate it. Have a beautiful,
blessed day. The volume
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