February 5, 2025 • 27 mins
Richard Sherman interviews Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Jaylen Watson. Sherm asks the former seventh round pick in the NFL Draft about Patrick Mahomes leading the Chiefs past Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game, their upcoming Super Bowl matchup with Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and the Philadelphia Eagles, how Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo turned the Kansas City defense into a powerhouse, and what it's like for the Chiefs' 2022 NFL Draft class (Trent McDuffie, George Karlaftis, Isiah Pacheco, and himself) to have made the Super Bowl in each of their first three seasons.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and I'm excited
as I can be. Hey, brother, it's been a long
time coming. I've been a big fan of your game.
Late round drafting, well, you was in the seventh. I
thought I was doing bad when I went in the fifth,
but you went in the seventh, and you've made the
best of it. You've been incredible since you got there.
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Tell me how has that journey been? Because I heard
you worked at Windy's for a second and now you
starting in your third Super Bowl. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, it's if you told me four or five years
ago i'd be here today. I'll tell you it was lying.
I just know, put one f in front of the
other than just you know, each day, try to take
advantage of every opportunity I was giving. You know, draft
day that was tough send all these people getting drafted
in front of you. But I had opportunity, and I
just tried to make the most of it. First game
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out of the year, my rookie year, Trent got hurt
and I had an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's slam with it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Talk me through because your journey is so so unusual,
so different, you know, and I guess it's not unusual
because you know, the NFL is full of special people
like yourself. But you went from your high school where
you you was a man, then you go JC, then
you get to college and ball out, but then you
get drafted. Seventh Rove to walk me through draft day
(01:30):
because my draft day, I was pissed. I was pissed.
I'm sitting there waiting. After the first two days, my
whole family want to do this event. I told them
not to do it, and they want to do all
this stuff, and then and then they sitting there on
the third day, they don't even show up. They did
it for the first and second days. The third day
the room is empty. And then they called me, and
I'm like, you know what I mean, Like, I mean
that that.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Day is so long, and you're just so anxious and
ready to see where you're gonna go. I kind of
figured I was. I thought I was going probably early fifth.
But I was looking at all the corners. I played
in the Singing Bowl and went to the Combine, so
I was pretty familiar with everyone in that game, and
I was like, Okay, after Tarik get drafted, because that's
(02:11):
my dog, I was like after Tarik get drafted, I
should be the next corner off. So I was just
waiting on him to get drafted, and I've seen it
get drafted. Then all these corners I never heard of
kept getting drafted in front of me, and I'm getting
mad and I'm supposed to be enjoying my day and
spending this time with my fam, and they see the
(02:33):
frustration in my face, so they had to take my
phone because I'm watching every draft pick. Just went outside,
tried to enjoy the time with the fam, but I
just couldn't. And I started getting all these calls. If
I don't get drafted, where should I go? And I'm
thinking I'm calling to get drafted. Then case finally popped
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up and they draft me, and I was so excited,
and I already knew Trent See was at Washington and
me and Josh player the same ball.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Together, so it was really close. So it worked out
perfect well.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
When you when you got there, you must have made
a big first impression because you're a seventh rounder. You
know how this league go as you know you've been
in it for a couple of years now, and you
know as a seventh rounder, you know it is what
it is. Your draft spot gets you a little bit
more leeway, gets you a little bit more opportunity, more plays,
more reps. You know what I mean. As a seventh
rounder you might get one rep a period. You know
you better shine. So you must have been out there scrapping.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yep, if I get three reps, I was trying so
hard those three reps and just scrasp car and fight
to try to show the coaches like they can trust
in me. I was always in the film room making
sure I knew what to do, so if my time
came up, I could, you know, take advantage of it
and play fast and not hesitant. So with this defense,
you you have to really know ball. Everyone knows how
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spast gets. When we first you know, seeing a playbook,
it looked like a different language.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Were like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But yeah, just standing in the film being able to
play fast and you know no football. I think me
growing up playing quarterback helped me a lot, being able to,
you know, read route concepts and know what the offense
is looking for in the defense and how we present
the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
What what? What? What made you make the transition? You
made it at Washington State, obviously, but what what was
going through your mind? You know, why not safety?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think corner I can control my destiny the most
out of any other position.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So I just chose that route.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Bro, I've said the exact same words out of my mouth.
That's why I switched from receiver. I was like, I
get tired of depending on a quarterback throwing a good football,
the offensive line blocking. I gotta be the play call
for me. And it don't matter if I'm open or not.
If all the stuff doesn't go right, I still ain't
getting the ball that corner. If I stop you from
catching it, or I catch it a few times, I'm great.
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Could you ever imagine having No, I'm not a success
you had when you got to Kansas City. Obviously they
were already a power. They had they had beat us
in the super Bowl right before you know, I mean
a couple of years before you came, but they hadn't
won it. But if you're still in my homes this
prime and you come in there and you you ain't
never seen a season not in with a trip to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, I mean no, I don't think anyone thought we'll
be here, But it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't take it for granted.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I enjoy every single moment, every single practice, you know,
spinning it with these great guys in the locker room.
It's just a great organization, like top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, y'all had something. Y'all had a Lugerius Sneed was
there your first year, you know what I mean? And
he was he y'all all keep walking out here with
these thirty numbers. And before Lagerius, it was Charvarius and
he was out there in the three five, I think,
And I'm like, is this something in Kansas City where
they tell y'all you come in you got to put
a thirty number on and go out there and strap,
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because god no, it was crazy. I just found out.
I want to say.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Last year was thirty six corners drafted and I was
the thirty fifth corner out of thirty sents drafted.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
People always ask like, why are you number thirty five?
I didn't pick the number, it's the number they gave me.
But it just so happened. I was the thirty fifth
out of thirty six corner drafted in my class.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Hey, from now, I'm going with that. Come with that now. Oh,
so tell me your mindset now because you know, I
obviously it's it's about to be Super Bowl week, it's
about to be locked in. But you've been through it
so many times, and walk me through your first Super
Bowl experience. I've been to three. Unfortunately we lost two
of them, but the experience. You know, once you have
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the first one, you kind of got a bead for
what to expect going in, but your first one had
to be kind of mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean, at the end of the day, you're going
there to you know, be a champion, and with that,
it's always gonna be a history. You're gonna be in
the history. But whatever, So it's gonna be a lot
of distractions back just like showing the young guys that
we're here for one reason. That's to win this game.
So you don't have to be locked in twenty four seven.
(07:11):
But we got to remember why we're there. A lot
of our family and everyone knows, go out, have fun
and do that thing.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But remember why we're going there.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You talked about Spags and the playbook being another language.
What has he meant for your growth as a corner
as a player, you know, as a person, because I
mean he's obviously known as as the best, if not
one of the best defensive coordinators in the National Football
League and you've had in your entire career. Uh, talk
about his impact on you.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know with spags even like forget the access and those.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He's just a great leader of men, and he knows
how to get everyone locked in.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The whole team players one, and we play for each other.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's why when you see us like our watch film
on receivers and I'm seeing them play other defense, the
backside safety might be jogging, then it's a miss tackle
now to tackle now the play goes for forty five
yards and explosivesly the points pretty much eighty five ninety
percent of the time. So just like seeing us play
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on film versus other teams all eleven just flying to
the ball. He steals out in us. That's every day
at practice, Like he is still so much confidence in me,
and I think this was the perfect defense for me
to come in and really help my career with just
pressing every play, which is what I love to do,
and just be able to make plays on the ball.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Are you doing a great job of that? I mean
your first pick pick in the National Football League was
ninety nine yard pick six. I mean, you can't write
it up better than that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, you can't. Never forget that day.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Boy, Kate, Kate, Look, I was talking. I had McDuffie
on earlier in the season and you hadn't got one yet.
And then he got two back to back. But he
was like, man, I can't wait to get my first one.
I said, you've been strapping for a long time not
to put your hands on the football. Man, I know
what's coming.
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He drop about three, but we all knew. We all
knew it was coming sooner later.
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Speaker 1 (10:38):
Y'all, y'all run a great scheme. Man'll y'all do a
great job. Y'all did a great job against Josh Allen
and the Buffalo bills and stopping a toushbush. You know
what I mean, obviously, they got all the controversy. Did
he get it? Did he not? Clearly he didn't get it,
because if he got it, then they would have gave
him the first down. But you know that's the story
for a different DA don't feel like arguing with these
people no more because I'm a defensive player. I hate
to hear these people. They get a thousand rules in
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their favor and then they want to complain about every
single thing. Hey, you touch this dude. You tackled him low,
you tackled him high, you grabbed him over here, you
spit around in your body, landed on the same cole, Like,
come on now, But during the week that y'all practice
to work on stopping that because you're not going live
in practice, and I know them b Lyman ain't sitting
there really bashing heads, and y'all gonna have to do
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never mind, never mind, never mind. Don't tell me because
y'all have to do it again this next week. But
you know, that's been such a really pivotal play for
Buffalo and obviously a pivotal play for the Eagles. That's
obviously a point of conversation and something y'all feel confident,
y'all y'all have been able to stop. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's tough because if you look at it, basically every
first down is now first and nine because once they
get that nine yards, you already know it's coming. Like
you said, we're going against it again. So I can't
say too much Beks, he's a got intelligent man.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I agree. I agree, And it was We're not
gonn talk about it because I don't want to talk
logistics in super Bowl week and I don't want to
get nobody in trouble. But it's really cool the plan
that y'all had with Josh talk about your technique as
a corner and anybody that you looked up to when
when formulating me, because you press you up there, you
freaking nose on nose. Uh, just about it every time
(12:23):
I see you, I mean, even your office. It's good.
But you know we six two, y'all, our off ain't
gonna be what the five what trientz is? Yeah? What
I tell these boys, they y'all, y'all feet getting the
ground quicker than ours. I need to be up there.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
No, it was you and Dylan Ramsay. That was my favorite. Two.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's good ones. That's good ones. I mean press is
such a such an art and you step. Not everybody steps,
you know, I mean a lot of dudes motor out.
I don't know what y'all call it, but a lot
of dudes do that motorile technique. But your step kick
is smooth. You patience as ever. We had y'all very
first game against the Chargers, and that's when they they
showed you. And it was you and and Travarians out there,
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and you were a rookie at the drafting the seventh
round and you I want to say, you gave up
like two catches or three catches in the game, but
you were like all contested grabs all right on their back,
all right right there. And for a rookie to come
in playing like that at corner, even if you're a
first rounder, it's like impress it. But for you to
come in in a seventh round and be that prepared,
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like I know you said, hey, Trin got hurt and
I was ready for my moment. But that's easier say
it than done talking to me through your process and
your mindset during that game.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A growing up, anyone that's ever known me always know
I'm a super confident person. Like it got ridiculous to
where it got. People thought I was arrogant, But that's
that's just the confidence level I have in myself. I
always grew up like that younger playing with the older kids.
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I used to be the first one picked up and
know I'm gonna talk trash. They know I'm gonna compete,
and that's what I want to do. I want to compete.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Against the best people at the highest level. So this
is what I dreamed of.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I can't shy away from it, and I just use
it as fuel. Being the seventh round draft pick and
showing everyone what they missed started passing up on me.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No question, preach, preach. But you go from Augusta, Georgia
to the Pacific Northwest, you talk about you talk about
a change. That's crazy. Washington status Pullman is cool, but
it's the only thing up there. Yeah, like that had
to be a little bit of a culture shop.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, it definitely was. I mean, going out to Juco,
I went. I went to Juco and CALLI so all
the schools recruiting was mostly out west and.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It was so cold.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was so cold when I went to Washington State,
but I was I was kind of used to the
West Coast vibe. But it was a little different than
it was in LA than poor Man, but I enjoyed it. Man,
it was it was a great college atmosphere. All they
knew was football and party. I tried to stay out
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of that. But yeah, it was a good college atmosphere.
That's a type of college I wanted to go to.
And I come to Kansas. It's just like the same
type vibe here. It's just football. Everyone loves it here.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So and it's cold here too.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So I was kind of used to it. I was
about to say, everything prepared you for where you are
right now, no question about it. How much family you
got potentially coming to the super Bowl, you know, I
mean it's it's a quick trip. It's probably as close
as any of y'all super bowls have been. Yep. So
you got a lot of people. You got more people
coming to this one than came to the other two.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Uh nah, the same amount. Got about seven eight can't
keep adding people, you know them super Bowl tickets.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's I do they take your whole check?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, the old check.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But I'm I'm happy to hear you doing what. Oh man,
I'm proud of you. You're a freaking fantastic player. You
get books in the playoffs. It doesn't seem like the
playoffs affect you. You obviously got injured this year against
San Francisco. That was tough. You know, broke your fibula.
I imagine your mind was, you know, a thousand places.
But to be able to come back and be prepared
for the playoffs the way you have and to take
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off where you left off? How how did you do that?
And talk me through the conversations with Andy Reid in
SPACs because sometimes coaches get real, I don't know tight
about the playoffs, especially when you ain't been playing, you
know what I mean? Like you were the starter and
you got injury. You never lose your spot to injury,
is what they say. But you get to the playoffs
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and you ain't playing, and they're like, I don't know
if I want to bring you back right now?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Right I can't do none of it without Guy. Honestly,
Like I was in a very depressed stead in.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
My life and I was just getting in my word
more and it was helping me a lot more than
just sitting back in Kansas. It's not anything to do
but football here. And before I got my surgery and
my surgeon told me I'm probably out for the season.
But and as soon as he said the word, but
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my eyes lit up. Every day, I just try to
take advantage of each day, work my butt off to
get back.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I started getting close. She was like I trained to,
just like, oh you're you're You're looking good right now.
You're moving faster than expected. Once I hear that, I
just started going harder, harder, harder every day. I think
I came back too much before I expected. And it
was just a blessing. And with Spags and OBC coach Merrick,
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our Corners coach, like once that twenty one day window opened,
they said I had to show them at practice and
if that didn't feel like I was ready, I went placed.
I just blessed my butt that whole time, and I
did what I needed to do to get back on
the field. And she has a blessing to be out
here with my teammates. It's a blessing of being another
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Super Bowl. Just had that brotherhood, that locker room talk
that I was missing. I just missed it all and
I had to get back to it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Talk about that brotherhood because there's like there's a lot
of talented defenses. There's a lot of good coordinators. But
what y'all have been able to do for the past
three years, like in playoffs in the regular season, like
it's now considered one of the best quarterbacks of all
time a defensive team. Talk about like the relationship with
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Jay Reid and McDuffie and you know Bolton and Chris
Jones and all the special players that y'all have on
the defense.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, everyone's just so close knit, like it's literally a brotherhood.
We hang out with each other outside of practice. Then
you think about it. You got the Fab five with me, Josh,
m J, Trent and Cut and Jay Reid and Delian Bush.
We all came in together the same year, so that
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was all our first year. We all didn't know the playbook.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Together, and now we all know it. We all came
in here, we're all close. We spend time with each other.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's so many just friendly people, Like during competition battles,
everyone willing to help. It's no ill will toward us anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And just to be in a group.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And here the other players talk from their experience on
other teams, it say it's not like this, right, so
I know It's a special group, and you can see
how we play on the field together that everyone's brothers.
Everyone enjoys playing with each other, and you never know
whose last game is gonna be that you're playing with,
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so just try to end out on a good note.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Trent and Jay Reid said, Man, no matter what happens
in games, just as a team and as a defensive unit, y'all,
y'all never stop believing. You know what I mean, and
that that just goes back to what you're speaking on
the brotherhood, the trust, you know what I mean, being
with each other all the time. But he says, no
matter what the scores look like or what just happened
in the game, you always feel like it's gonna work out,
you're gonna end up winning. Yeah. I mean, like you.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Said, how we have one of the best quarterbacks ever
and we're kind of known as a defensive team. Now
us as a defense, we know we have the best quarterback,
so we always know we have a chance to win.
And Spas hold us to such a high stundard. If
we're winning that halftime, that should be game in his mind,
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So I mean it works him and man, now.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This is this is selfishly personal for me. I gotta
know that last play, the last play, the pressure because
BAC's going two pressures back to back. Any disguising it
the way I don't need. I don't need the axes
and the os or secrets. Just like when that call
came in, what were you thinking? Because y'all pressed the
pressure and for him to pressure the numbside and the
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safeties to rotate slate. I was like, these boys are
nuts for the game. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It was a it was a TV time out. Nick
is the brains of the defense. Him and Spas are
like crazy. So I'm standing in the middle of the field.
I'm just psyching myself out, like whatever he called his
ball will not get caught on me there not getting.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
This first down. I see them talking. Nick come back
and he tell.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Us the call.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I said, oh.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I had I had two sides last year and both
of my SATs came off that exact same play. Like
that pressure his every time, and he did a good job.
Whatever he called it was gonna trash them. But I
think everyone that knows ball knows some type of blizz
was gonna come and it got home. Trent came free,
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George did a good job not letting Josh roll out
to his right, and so he had to throw it
up and fortunately for us, we got the dug no question.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But even after that happened, it was a lot of
chaos because you in the back end. That's what people
don't everybody's looking at the quarterback and the pressure. I'm
looking at the back end and ted the way they
getting attacked, and I'm like, oh, like, I don't think
it's a bust. I think it might just be a
weakness of a coverage. And that's what some people don't understand.
It's not always an answer for one hundred percent of everything.
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Just because you call someth no mean it's an answer
for every single thing the offense can present. They think, oh, man,
somebody was open. Somebody must have made a mistake. Like, no,
nobody made a mistake. The pressure getting home is what's
supposed to happen. If somebody's open. Like, somebody open is
because the pressure got home. That's the weakness of the defense.
But as a secondary, y'all do such a great job
of playing off each other, even like manipulating the coverage
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and making the coverage come to life. It's so cool
to watch man, and that's just that, ain't a question
or anything. That's just me give him the cap tip
to y'all defense man, y'all play ahead of a y'll
do a hell of a job. Appreciate that man so
fun man, it looked like it looked like we played
a lot of good defense, but ours was a lot simpler.
Ours was more Jimmy's than Joe's than scheme. But yeah,
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but I don't want to take up to my nose.
I appreciate you giving me the time. If you got
any questions for me, or want to ask me anything,
or you know what I mean, go back and forth.
Anything you got for me, I'm happy to answer about anything.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who the toughest receiver you went against?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Negatro, Negatron, that's him. I'm telling you, like, Bro, when
you when you put on the tape and you look
at a dude who getting vised by people, and then
he catching the ball over three people. And then our coach,
our coach came in the meeting, Bro and the honest
twenty twelve, he put a tape on the Saints vice
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and him on the goal line and like the three
and he was like, yeah, we're thinking about installing this
me and the other corner Brandon Brown and walked out
to meeting and said, Hey, y'all gonna have to put
somebody else in to do that. Y're he gonna have
to show me. You gonna have to show me that
he liked that, like, you ain't about to put nobody
next to me. Hell, I look like you know, what
is it?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
That same thing happened last.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Year with Snead. I forget who we're playing, and maybe
been the Bengals with Chase, and it was a possible
vice if they presented a certain look and looks like, boy,
don't you come out here?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
She took disrespectful, like as a dB, you just too prideful.
You cannot let that happen like we might can bracket
or disguise it. We are not both about to plant
return protection.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No, or were not doing it because if he somehow
get both of us, we'll never live it down. Not
he's really supposed to be in the league, he's supposed
to be here. So but he was like that. Now
now he was fully like that. But I said, hey,
I'm like that too. Now I'm six three, I'm supposed
to be built to stop. But when I tell you.
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My whole plan was to never let him get comfortable,
never let him get to like even our shoulder in front,
like with space on that red line. If that boy
gave me a uh hes, he straight to the cutoff angle,
I'm straight. You can run as many slants as you want, Calvin.
You ain't running No. Nine and catching his over on
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top of my head yet. Yeah, No, I wasn't doing that.
But he was the toughest man because he just did
so many things. Well, he's fast. Julio's right next to him.
Because Quintaorre's boy was a like covering a horse.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I was my boy. I grab a Facons fan. That's
all I wanted you to say. But I understand.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
No, they want, ain't want to be and ain't no
disrespective win towards good. But that point you got your
hands fully full with when he stepped on that field
and he runs hard, that boy running routes like like
with the rents do. And if you don't, if you
don't get these feet in the ground, his family is
out on the cold. You cover him. You could have
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all the understanding of the scheme and this and that,
and I know the splits and I know all this,
but he was built in a lab and whatever y'all
got in the water in Georgia, he had a lot
of it. Yeah, that's all the questions I had. I
gotta go get this treatment. Respect and love and good
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luck on your third Super Bowl brother. I hope you
ball out. I hope you get get defense MVP.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Appreciate you for having me anytime. Brother. The volume
Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and I'm excited
as I can be. Hey, brother, it's been a long
time coming. I've been a big fan of your game.
Late round drafting, well, you was in the seventh. I
thought I was doing bad when I went in the fifth,
but you went in the seventh, and you've made the
best of it. You've been incredible since you got there.
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Tell me how has that journey been? Because I heard
you worked at Windy's for a second and now you
starting in your third Super Bowl. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, it's if you told me four or five years
ago i'd be here today. I'll tell you it was lying.
I just know, put one f in front of the
other than just you know, each day, try to take
advantage of every opportunity I was giving. You know, draft
day that was tough send all these people getting drafted
in front of you. But I had opportunity, and I
just tried to make the most of it. First game
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out of the year, my rookie year, Trent got hurt
and I had an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's slam with it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Talk me through because your journey is so so unusual,
so different, you know, and I guess it's not unusual
because you know, the NFL is full of special people
like yourself. But you went from your high school where
you you was a man, then you go JC, then
you get to college and ball out, but then you
get drafted. Seventh Rove to walk me through draft day
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because my draft day, I was pissed. I was pissed.
I'm sitting there waiting. After the first two days, my
whole family want to do this event. I told them
not to do it, and they want to do all
this stuff, and then and then they sitting there on
the third day, they don't even show up. They did
it for the first and second days. The third day
the room is empty. And then they called me, and
I'm like, you know what I mean, Like, I mean
that that.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Day is so long, and you're just so anxious and
ready to see where you're gonna go. I kind of
figured I was. I thought I was going probably early fifth.
But I was looking at all the corners. I played
in the Singing Bowl and went to the Combine, so
I was pretty familiar with everyone in that game, and
I was like, Okay, after Tarik get drafted, because that's
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my dog, I was like after Tarik get drafted, I
should be the next corner off. So I was just
waiting on him to get drafted, and I've seen it
get drafted. Then all these corners I never heard of
kept getting drafted in front of me, and I'm getting
mad and I'm supposed to be enjoying my day and
spending this time with my fam, and they see the
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frustration in my face, so they had to take my
phone because I'm watching every draft pick. Just went outside,
tried to enjoy the time with the fam, but I
just couldn't. And I started getting all these calls. If
I don't get drafted, where should I go? And I'm
thinking I'm calling to get drafted. Then case finally popped
(02:54):
up and they draft me, and I was so excited,
and I already knew Trent See was at Washington and
me and Josh player the same ball.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Together, so it was really close. So it worked out
perfect well.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
When you when you got there, you must have made
a big first impression because you're a seventh rounder. You
know how this league go as you know you've been
in it for a couple of years now, and you
know as a seventh rounder, you know it is what
it is. Your draft spot gets you a little bit
more leeway, gets you a little bit more opportunity, more plays,
more reps. You know what I mean. As a seventh
rounder you might get one rep a period. You know
you better shine. So you must have been out there scrapping.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yep, if I get three reps, I was trying so
hard those three reps and just scrasp car and fight
to try to show the coaches like they can trust
in me. I was always in the film room making
sure I knew what to do, so if my time
came up, I could, you know, take advantage of it
and play fast and not hesitant. So with this defense,
you you have to really know ball. Everyone knows how
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spast gets. When we first you know, seeing a playbook,
it looked like a different language.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Were like, what is this?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
But yeah, just standing in the film being able to
play fast and you know no football. I think me
growing up playing quarterback helped me a lot, being able to,
you know, read route concepts and know what the offense
is looking for in the defense and how we present
the defense.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
What what? What? What made you make the transition? You
made it at Washington State, obviously, but what what was
going through your mind? You know, why not safety?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think corner I can control my destiny the most
out of any other position.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So I just chose that route.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Bro, I've said the exact same words out of my mouth.
That's why I switched from receiver. I was like, I
get tired of depending on a quarterback throwing a good football,
the offensive line blocking. I gotta be the play call
for me. And it don't matter if I'm open or not.
If all the stuff doesn't go right, I still ain't
getting the ball that corner. If I stop you from
catching it, or I catch it a few times, I'm great.
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Could you ever imagine having No, I'm not a success
you had when you got to Kansas City. Obviously they
were already a power. They had they had beat us
in the super Bowl right before you know, I mean
a couple of years before you came, but they hadn't
won it. But if you're still in my homes this
prime and you come in there and you you ain't
never seen a season not in with a trip to
the super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Right, I mean no, I don't think anyone thought we'll
be here, But it's a blessing.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I don't take it for granted.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I enjoy every single moment, every single practice, you know,
spinning it with these great guys in the locker room.
It's just a great organization, like top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, y'all had something. Y'all had a Lugerius Sneed was
there your first year, you know what I mean? And
he was he y'all all keep walking out here with
these thirty numbers. And before Lagerius, it was Charvarius and
he was out there in the three five, I think,
And I'm like, is this something in Kansas City where
they tell y'all you come in you got to put
a thirty number on and go out there and strap,
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because god no, it was crazy. I just found out.
I want to say.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Last year was thirty six corners drafted and I was
the thirty fifth corner out of thirty sents drafted.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
People always ask like, why are you number thirty five?
I didn't pick the number, it's the number they gave me.
But it just so happened. I was the thirty fifth
out of thirty six corner drafted in my class.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Hey, from now, I'm going with that. Come with that now. Oh,
so tell me your mindset now because you know, I
obviously it's it's about to be Super Bowl week, it's
about to be locked in. But you've been through it
so many times, and walk me through your first Super
Bowl experience. I've been to three. Unfortunately we lost two
of them, but the experience. You know, once you have
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the first one, you kind of got a bead for
what to expect going in, but your first one had
to be kind of mind blowing. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I mean, at the end of the day, you're going
there to you know, be a champion, and with that,
it's always gonna be a history. You're gonna be in
the history. But whatever, So it's gonna be a lot
of distractions back just like showing the young guys that
we're here for one reason. That's to win this game.
So you don't have to be locked in twenty four seven.
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But we got to remember why we're there. A lot
of our family and everyone knows, go out, have fun
and do that thing.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
But remember why we're going there.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
You talked about Spags and the playbook being another language.
What has he meant for your growth as a corner
as a player, you know, as a person, because I
mean he's obviously known as as the best, if not
one of the best defensive coordinators in the National Football
League and you've had in your entire career. Uh, talk
about his impact on you.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You know with spags even like forget the access and those.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
He's just a great leader of men, and he knows
how to get everyone locked in.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
The whole team players one, and we play for each other.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's why when you see us like our watch film
on receivers and I'm seeing them play other defense, the
backside safety might be jogging, then it's a miss tackle
now to tackle now the play goes for forty five
yards and explosivesly the points pretty much eighty five ninety
percent of the time. So just like seeing us play
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on film versus other teams all eleven just flying to
the ball. He steals out in us. That's every day
at practice, Like he is still so much confidence in me,
and I think this was the perfect defense for me
to come in and really help my career with just
pressing every play, which is what I love to do,
and just be able to make plays on the ball.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Are you doing a great job of that? I mean
your first pick pick in the National Football League was
ninety nine yard pick six. I mean, you can't write
it up better than that.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, you can't. Never forget that day.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Boy, Kate, Kate, Look, I was talking. I had McDuffie
on earlier in the season and you hadn't got one yet.
And then he got two back to back. But he
was like, man, I can't wait to get my first one.
I said, you've been strapping for a long time not
to put your hands on the football. Man, I know
what's coming.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
He drop about three, but we all knew. We all
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Speaker 1 (10:38):
Y'all, y'all run a great scheme. Man'll y'all do a
great job. Y'all did a great job against Josh Allen
and the Buffalo bills and stopping a toushbush. You know
what I mean, obviously, they got all the controversy. Did
he get it? Did he not? Clearly he didn't get it,
because if he got it, then they would have gave
him the first down. But you know that's the story
for a different DA don't feel like arguing with these
people no more because I'm a defensive player. I hate
to hear these people. They get a thousand rules in
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their favor and then they want to complain about every
single thing. Hey, you touch this dude. You tackled him low,
you tackled him high, you grabbed him over here, you
spit around in your body, landed on the same cole, Like,
come on now, But during the week that y'all practice
to work on stopping that because you're not going live
in practice, and I know them b Lyman ain't sitting
there really bashing heads, and y'all gonna have to do
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never mind, never mind, never mind. Don't tell me because
y'all have to do it again this next week. But
you know, that's been such a really pivotal play for
Buffalo and obviously a pivotal play for the Eagles. That's
obviously a point of conversation and something y'all feel confident,
y'all y'all have been able to stop. Right.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's tough because if you look at it, basically every
first down is now first and nine because once they
get that nine yards, you already know it's coming. Like
you said, we're going against it again. So I can't
say too much Beks, he's a got intelligent man.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I agree. I agree, And it was We're not
gonn talk about it because I don't want to talk
logistics in super Bowl week and I don't want to
get nobody in trouble. But it's really cool the plan
that y'all had with Josh talk about your technique as
a corner and anybody that you looked up to when
when formulating me, because you press you up there, you
freaking nose on nose. Uh, just about it every time
(12:23):
I see you, I mean, even your office. It's good.
But you know we six two, y'all, our off ain't
gonna be what the five what trientz is? Yeah? What
I tell these boys, they y'all, y'all feet getting the
ground quicker than ours. I need to be up there.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
No, it was you and Dylan Ramsay. That was my favorite. Two.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
That's good ones. That's good ones. I mean press is
such a such an art and you step. Not everybody steps,
you know, I mean a lot of dudes motor out.
I don't know what y'all call it, but a lot
of dudes do that motorile technique. But your step kick
is smooth. You patience as ever. We had y'all very
first game against the Chargers, and that's when they they
showed you. And it was you and and Travarians out there,
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and you were a rookie at the drafting the seventh
round and you I want to say, you gave up
like two catches or three catches in the game, but
you were like all contested grabs all right on their back,
all right right there. And for a rookie to come
in playing like that at corner, even if you're a
first rounder, it's like impress it. But for you to
come in in a seventh round and be that prepared,
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like I know you said, hey, Trin got hurt and
I was ready for my moment. But that's easier say
it than done talking to me through your process and
your mindset during that game.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A growing up, anyone that's ever known me always know
I'm a super confident person. Like it got ridiculous to
where it got. People thought I was arrogant, But that's
that's just the confidence level I have in myself. I
always grew up like that younger playing with the older kids.
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I used to be the first one picked up and
know I'm gonna talk trash. They know I'm gonna compete,
and that's what I want to do. I want to compete.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Against the best people at the highest level. So this
is what I dreamed of.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I can't shy away from it, and I just use
it as fuel. Being the seventh round draft pick and
showing everyone what they missed started passing up on me.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
No question, preach, preach. But you go from Augusta, Georgia
to the Pacific Northwest, you talk about you talk about
a change. That's crazy. Washington status Pullman is cool, but
it's the only thing up there. Yeah, like that had
to be a little bit of a culture shop.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, it definitely was. I mean, going out to Juco,
I went. I went to Juco and CALLI so all
the schools recruiting was mostly out west and.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
It was so cold.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
It was so cold when I went to Washington State,
but I was I was kind of used to the
West Coast vibe. But it was a little different than
it was in LA than poor Man, but I enjoyed it. Man,
it was it was a great college atmosphere. All they
knew was football and party. I tried to stay out
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of that. But yeah, it was a good college atmosphere.
That's a type of college I wanted to go to.
And I come to Kansas. It's just like the same
type vibe here. It's just football. Everyone loves it here.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
So and it's cold here too.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
So I was kind of used to it. I was
about to say, everything prepared you for where you are
right now, no question about it. How much family you
got potentially coming to the super Bowl, you know, I
mean it's it's a quick trip. It's probably as close
as any of y'all super bowls have been. Yep. So
you got a lot of people. You got more people
coming to this one than came to the other two.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Uh nah, the same amount. Got about seven eight can't
keep adding people, you know them super Bowl tickets.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's I do they take your whole check?
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, the old check.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But I'm I'm happy to hear you doing what. Oh man,
I'm proud of you. You're a freaking fantastic player. You
get books in the playoffs. It doesn't seem like the
playoffs affect you. You obviously got injured this year against
San Francisco. That was tough. You know, broke your fibula.
I imagine your mind was, you know, a thousand places.
But to be able to come back and be prepared
for the playoffs the way you have and to take
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off where you left off? How how did you do that?
And talk me through the conversations with Andy Reid in
SPACs because sometimes coaches get real, I don't know tight
about the playoffs, especially when you ain't been playing, you
know what I mean? Like you were the starter and
you got injury. You never lose your spot to injury,
is what they say. But you get to the playoffs
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and you ain't playing, and they're like, I don't know
if I want to bring you back right now?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Right I can't do none of it without Guy. Honestly,
Like I was in a very depressed stead in.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
My life and I was just getting in my word
more and it was helping me a lot more than
just sitting back in Kansas. It's not anything to do
but football here. And before I got my surgery and
my surgeon told me I'm probably out for the season.
But and as soon as he said the word, but
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my eyes lit up. Every day, I just try to
take advantage of each day, work my butt off to
get back.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Man.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I started getting close. She was like I trained to,
just like, oh you're you're You're looking good right now.
You're moving faster than expected. Once I hear that, I
just started going harder, harder, harder every day. I think
I came back too much before I expected. And it
was just a blessing. And with Spags and OBC coach Merrick,
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our Corners coach, like once that twenty one day window opened,
they said I had to show them at practice and
if that didn't feel like I was ready, I went placed.
I just blessed my butt that whole time, and I
did what I needed to do to get back on
the field. And she has a blessing to be out
here with my teammates. It's a blessing of being another
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Super Bowl. Just had that brotherhood, that locker room talk
that I was missing. I just missed it all and
I had to get back to it.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Talk about that brotherhood because there's like there's a lot
of talented defenses. There's a lot of good coordinators. But
what y'all have been able to do for the past
three years, like in playoffs in the regular season, like
it's now considered one of the best quarterbacks of all
time a defensive team. Talk about like the relationship with
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Jay Reid and McDuffie and you know Bolton and Chris
Jones and all the special players that y'all have on
the defense.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, everyone's just so close knit, like it's literally a brotherhood.
We hang out with each other outside of practice. Then
you think about it. You got the Fab five with me, Josh,
m J, Trent and Cut and Jay Reid and Delian Bush.
We all came in together the same year, so that
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was all our first year. We all didn't know the playbook.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Together, and now we all know it. We all came
in here, we're all close. We spend time with each other.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's so many just friendly people, Like during competition battles,
everyone willing to help. It's no ill will toward us anyone.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And just to be in a group.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And here the other players talk from their experience on
other teams, it say it's not like this, right, so
I know It's a special group, and you can see
how we play on the field together that everyone's brothers.
Everyone enjoys playing with each other, and you never know
whose last game is gonna be that you're playing with,
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so just try to end out on a good note.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Trent and Jay Reid said, Man, no matter what happens
in games, just as a team and as a defensive unit, y'all,
y'all never stop believing. You know what I mean, and
that that just goes back to what you're speaking on
the brotherhood, the trust, you know what I mean, being
with each other all the time. But he says, no
matter what the scores look like or what just happened
in the game, you always feel like it's gonna work out,
you're gonna end up winning. Yeah. I mean, like you.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Said, how we have one of the best quarterbacks ever
and we're kind of known as a defensive team. Now
us as a defense, we know we have the best quarterback,
so we always know we have a chance to win.
And Spas hold us to such a high stundard. If
we're winning that halftime, that should be game in his mind,
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So I mean it works him and man, now.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
This is this is selfishly personal for me. I gotta
know that last play, the last play, the pressure because
BAC's going two pressures back to back. Any disguising it
the way I don't need. I don't need the axes
and the os or secrets. Just like when that call
came in, what were you thinking? Because y'all pressed the
pressure and for him to pressure the numbside and the
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safeties to rotate slate. I was like, these boys are
nuts for the game. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
It was a it was a TV time out. Nick
is the brains of the defense. Him and Spas are
like crazy. So I'm standing in the middle of the field.
I'm just psyching myself out, like whatever he called his
ball will not get caught on me there not getting.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
This first down. I see them talking. Nick come back
and he tell.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Us the call.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I said, oh.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
I had I had two sides last year and both
of my SATs came off that exact same play. Like
that pressure his every time, and he did a good job.
Whatever he called it was gonna trash them. But I
think everyone that knows ball knows some type of blizz
was gonna come and it got home. Trent came free,
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George did a good job not letting Josh roll out
to his right, and so he had to throw it
up and fortunately for us, we got the dug no question.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But even after that happened, it was a lot of
chaos because you in the back end. That's what people
don't everybody's looking at the quarterback and the pressure. I'm
looking at the back end and ted the way they
getting attacked, and I'm like, oh, like, I don't think
it's a bust. I think it might just be a
weakness of a coverage. And that's what some people don't understand.
It's not always an answer for one hundred percent of everything.
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Just because you call someth no mean it's an answer
for every single thing the offense can present. They think, oh, man,
somebody was open. Somebody must have made a mistake. Like, no,
nobody made a mistake. The pressure getting home is what's
supposed to happen. If somebody's open. Like, somebody open is
because the pressure got home. That's the weakness of the defense.
But as a secondary, y'all do such a great job
of playing off each other, even like manipulating the coverage
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and making the coverage come to life. It's so cool
to watch man, and that's just that, ain't a question
or anything. That's just me give him the cap tip
to y'all defense man, y'all play ahead of a y'll
do a hell of a job. Appreciate that man so
fun man, it looked like it looked like we played
a lot of good defense, but ours was a lot simpler.
Ours was more Jimmy's than Joe's than scheme. But yeah,
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but I don't want to take up to my nose.
I appreciate you giving me the time. If you got
any questions for me, or want to ask me anything,
or you know what I mean, go back and forth.
Anything you got for me, I'm happy to answer about anything.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Who the toughest receiver you went against?
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Negatro, Negatron, that's him. I'm telling you, like, Bro, when
you when you put on the tape and you look
at a dude who getting vised by people, and then
he catching the ball over three people. And then our coach,
our coach came in the meeting, Bro and the honest
twenty twelve, he put a tape on the Saints vice
(24:07):
and him on the goal line and like the three
and he was like, yeah, we're thinking about installing this
me and the other corner Brandon Brown and walked out
to meeting and said, Hey, y'all gonna have to put
somebody else in to do that. Y're he gonna have
to show me. You gonna have to show me that
he liked that, like, you ain't about to put nobody
next to me. Hell, I look like you know, what
is it?
Speaker 3 (24:25):
That same thing happened last.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Year with Snead. I forget who we're playing, and maybe
been the Bengals with Chase, and it was a possible
vice if they presented a certain look and looks like, boy,
don't you come out here?
Speaker 5 (24:48):
She took disrespectful, like as a dB, you just too prideful.
You cannot let that happen like we might can bracket
or disguise it. We are not both about to plant
return protection.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
No, or were not doing it because if he somehow
get both of us, we'll never live it down. Not
he's really supposed to be in the league, he's supposed
to be here. So but he was like that. Now
now he was fully like that. But I said, hey,
I'm like that too. Now I'm six three, I'm supposed
to be built to stop. But when I tell you.
(25:25):
My whole plan was to never let him get comfortable,
never let him get to like even our shoulder in front,
like with space on that red line. If that boy
gave me a uh hes, he straight to the cutoff angle,
I'm straight. You can run as many slants as you want, Calvin.
You ain't running No. Nine and catching his over on
(25:45):
top of my head yet. Yeah, No, I wasn't doing that.
But he was the toughest man because he just did
so many things. Well, he's fast. Julio's right next to him.
Because Quintaorre's boy was a like covering a horse.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
I was my boy. I grab a Facons fan. That's
all I wanted you to say. But I understand.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
No, they want, ain't want to be and ain't no
disrespective win towards good. But that point you got your
hands fully full with when he stepped on that field
and he runs hard, that boy running routes like like
with the rents do. And if you don't, if you
don't get these feet in the ground, his family is
out on the cold. You cover him. You could have
(26:26):
all the understanding of the scheme and this and that,
and I know the splits and I know all this,
but he was built in a lab and whatever y'all
got in the water in Georgia, he had a lot
of it. Yeah, that's all the questions I had. I
gotta go get this treatment. Respect and love and good
(26:47):
luck on your third Super Bowl brother. I hope you
ball out. I hope you get get defense MVP.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Appreciate you for having me anytime. Brother. The volume
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