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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Wednesday Bible Study.
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We are so grateful that you have decided to devote
some time to studying the Word of God with us today.
We are continuing our study of the Book of Job today.
If you want to go ahead and turn there, we'll
be in Job chapter thirty three today. So my name
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So let's open up in a word of prayer and
jump into job chapter thirty three. Lord, thank you for today,
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Thank you for the opportunity to get together as brothers
in the room and brothers and sisters around the world,
and study your Holy Word, help us to to see
the foreshadowings. Today is young Allah who is gonna He's
gonna have some wisdom today. But at the same time,
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we're all continuing to anticipate the upcoming confrontation with Job
and You the one and only living God, and may
that be something that we all have a healthy fear of.
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In your name, we pray Amen. So let's go there.
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So we're now in Job thirty three and Allah who
has the floor, and he is he is he's really
starting to talk. Last week he kind of set the
stage of who he was, how he had waited on
his time to talk.
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Uh, he wasn't impressed with what he had been hearing.
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Some of the guys asked me before we started this,
saying how long does some of these theologians think this
whole job process lasted. Nobody really knows, but there's speculation
that's somewhere around four months that all this was this
took place.
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That we don't don't write that down and.
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Say that's the truth, but that that seems to be
what most people think. So here we are, you know,
a lot who's going to be the bridge to the
encounter with God. It is interesting that Job is not
responding to a lot of who. We don't really know why.
It may be that he's allowing for Job to respond,
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but Job just is listening.
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So this one is going to be directed at Job.
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It's gonna be it's gonna be a different tone than
the way the other three friends have talked to Job.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna talk truth. It's gonna
be straightforward. But but it just doesn't seem to be
as harsh, certainly not as disrespectful as his other three
friends have been. Uh, he's not gonna browbeat Job, but
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but simply state.
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What he will say is what God has laid on
his heart. Now that's important, you know.
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It's it's one thing for us to to make sure
everybody knows what what we have on our heart. It's
quite another to go to a brother or sister and say,
here's something that God has laid on my heart that
I think.
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I'm supposed to share with you.
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That that's kind of two different approaches, And you know,
I think about that a lot when I go back
to our studies of first and second Corinthians. You know
which really Second Corinthians is Third Corinthians if you really
went chronological. I always wonder about that second letter that
God never let us find and it did not make
the canon canonization of scripture. It was never found. And
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it could be that First Corinthians and third Corinthians were
inspired by God and Second Corinthians was just inspired by Paul,
so that that could be it. So anyway, so a
lot who wants you to know that this is coming
from from God, not necessarily from him. So let's look
at at verse one. But here now, but now hear
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my speech, O Job, and listen to all my words.
Now that's a little confrontational. It sounds like he's demanding
that Job listened to him. Uh in this But but really,
if you look at the words that are being used here,
the original language, it's really more likely that he's just
clarifying to what we don't Who knows how big a
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crowd is here.
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We know there's three, there may have been more.
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That he's just making sure that we all know that
what he's about to say he wants that directed at Job.
Now he does seem to want Job's attention and Then
he gets into second verse two of thirty three, and
he says, behold, I open my mouth, the tongue in
my mouth speaks. That's kind of poetic, but it really
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doesn't say anything other than I'm about to speak.
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I got something I want to say.
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Everybody listen as I roll through this, and I say
what's on my mind. So he gets into verse three
and he says, my words declare the uprightness of my heart,
and what my lips know they speak sincerely. So he says, now,
what I'm about to say is characterized by an uprightness,
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a sincerity of purity. It comes from a place of knowledge.
What he is saying here, you really can't interpret it
any other way. He's taking a shot at the other
three because what he's saying is true. About what he's
about to say can also be interpreted is it's at
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the opposite of what's already been said. Right, there's really
two things happening here. So what he's saying is Job's
other three friends they weren't coming from a place of
being upright. They weren't sincere. There certainly wasn't any pure
motivation there, and really it sounded like they didn't have
much knowledge at all, but I'm going to I'm going
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to keep everything in its proper balance. Do you ever
stop and kind of take a breath? And you know,
I had a situation with one of my sons over
this past weekend that I did not take a breath
and then had to go back and kind of repair
some some of that because when I get in, when
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I first got started, my motivation was not to get
to the answer.
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My motivation was not to teach.
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My whole motivation was I'm frustrated, I'm mad, and I'm
sick of this, and I'm done with it.
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And of course you know I was.
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I have you ever started on like a rant and
you just really went off, and even about midway through it,
you realize I kind of wish I hadn't done it
this way, you know, because now I've got to go
back and I got to repair this, got to repair
that I should have just called and said, hey, can
you answer this question for me and help me find
what I'm looking for, because maybe you have it here somewhere,
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it's just not where I thought it would be, you know,
one of those kinds of things, And I didn't I
had to make sure that everybody knew how done with
this I was and how tired I was of it,
that this has happened again, and so so I had
to go back and repair that. So I do think
that there's a lesson here that we're learning from Alaihu,
and that is, you know, make sure before we're going
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to go and hold someone accountable, that we go ahead
and explain to them where we're coming from. I always
want to know that, don't you. I mean, somebody, sit
down and say, look what I want to talk to
you about. I think God wants me to say this
to you. I want you to know my motivation is pure.
I'm not trying to tear you down and lift me up.
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What I'm gonna say, I'm going to say, sincerely, this
is something I truly think you need to hear, and
I want you to know that what I'm gonna talk about,
I've gone and gathered all the information I've got the
knowledge of this situation. I'm not coming in here half
cocked and don't know what I'm talking about, and then
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I'm gonna come in here and jump on you. Is
there any worse feeling to start jumping on somebody and
they can stop you back midway and say, oh, by
the way.
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That never happened.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What I really had a great speech planned about something
that didn't happen, and they're like, well, let me tell
you exactly what happened. And by the time they explained it,
you're like, oh, this is not near as bad as
I thought it was, and you have to table about
half your speech, but are sometimes you give it anyway.
So he's establishing that. So in verse four he says,
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the spirit of God has made me, and the breath
of the Almighty gives me life. Now, this is a
beautiful point two, this is humbling. He's saying, look, we're
just men here. I'm submitting to that. I'm submitted to God,
the Creator, and the same God that created me created you.
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We're fellow human beings. And I'm no better than you
job because God created me just like he created you.
So I'm coming to you as one man who's created
by God to another man who's created by God. What
is he telling him right there? I'm not better than you.
I'm not coming in with that kind of attitude at all.
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Let's talk as equals, both made that both breathing the
same breath of God that he breathed into all humans.
So now Verse five, answer me, if you can set
your words in order before me, take your stand. Now,
this is the one where the theologians begin to kind
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of theorize. Is is this him saying if you want
to say something right now, then I'm gonna I'm gonna be.
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Quiet and let you speak.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Does Job just decide he's not gonna do that because
there's some commands here, and he says, answer me, prepare yourself,
confront me if that's what you need to do, but
you'll I'll go ahead and tell you how this whole
time of allt who ends it never happens. Job never
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answers him. Job never confronts him. Job never stands up
and said, let me clear that up for you. So
that doesn't happen. But it appears that's that Job just
sits and listens, because there's nowhere in here that we
see him interrupt allaho and say, here's my own here's
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my own demands. I'm gonna make some demands of you.
I'm gonna correct you. I disagree with that. That never happens.
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So verse.
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Behold, I am toward God as you are I too
was pinched off from a piece of clay.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Relax, it's just.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Another mortal talking to another mortal. Okay, I don't think
that I've got some depth that you don't have. We
all just made from the same clay. That's a good
attitude to have when you're talking to somebody, you know,
trying to elevate ourselves to another human being, when we
realize that none of us are anything special. We're all
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just the same old lump of clay. The only thing
good about any of us is our creator. He certainly
isn't impressed with any of us, and so so then
he makes that point. So seven, he said, behold, no
fear of me need terrify you. Now this is good
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because I always like this. I don't know if any
of you have ever been in a situation where you
you you see that somebody has said, you know something,
I got something I need to say to you, because
we know that's already happened. I've been I've been silent
long enough. It feels good for somebody to say, now
what I'm gonna say. There's nothing to dread. There's no
need for you to be upset. There's no need for
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you to be worried about what I'm about to say.
I'm not I'm not someone to be, you know, feared.
I'm not I'm not going to.
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Be too heavy.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
We're just going to get down to the facts. Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I would like hearing that, because there's an instinct in
all of us, if we're just honest to defend.
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Ourselves, to brustle up a little bit, to bow up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We called it in Calhoun County, you know, but you
bow up on somebody and uh. And so he's trying
to kind of downplay that. So he's established what he's doing,
he's established why he's doing it. He's told Job, you
have the freedom to interrupt me anytime you want to. Uh.
And now he says, uh that he is going to
be stating Job's argument. I'm not going to go back
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and review what I heard you say. So he starts
in verse eight. Surely you have spoken in my ears,
and I have heard the sound of your words. Now
what that means is, I've kind of kept a record
of everything you said. I've been standing here silent, but
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I have been listening, and I'm going to recount.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
The case that you've made this is what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Verse nine, you say, I'm pure without transgression, I am clean,
and there's no iniquity in me. Now, Job, if we
have this right, you have claimed that your two things,
there's two words that you've used to describe yourself, pure
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and clean. Are no sin, no guilt. That's what you said.
There's no interruption from Job. So apparently a lie who
has kept good notes. Then in ten he says, behold,
he finds occasions against me. He counts me as his enemy. Now, Joe,
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I don't if I recall, you said that God's not
treating you right, you said that even though these two
things are true, you're pure, you're clean, there's no sin,
no guilt. But then you go on to say, but
God seems to be against me. God seems to be
treating me as his enemy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Is that right? Job?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And that what you said, And of course we'd all say, yeah,
we heard that too, if you took good notes and
so then verse eleven, now this is almost a direct
quote from Job. He puts my feet in the stocks
and watches all my paths. If you go go back
to thirteen Job thirteen, verse twenty seven, that's almost an
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exact quote. So a lot of who here is making
sure that he's got that right. Do you ever have
that you you ever done that to somebody or had
it done to you? Now, let me get this right.
Did you not say this? Did you not say that?
Did you not say this? And did this not happen?
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If you don't do that, I would suggest that you do.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Anytime I sit down in any kind of confrontation with
somebody or any kind of discussion, I always review to
make sure there's no dispute of the facts, right, Because
the worst thing you can do is go ahead and
start without making sure everybody agrees on this, because you
may get a disagreement right out of the gate.
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And go, oh, no, another that didn't happen. So at
this point you'd go all right.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So you said I'm pure without transgression. You said I'm
clean and there's no iniquity in me. So would say,
did you go on to say, interrupt me if I'm wrong?
You said, behold, he finds occasions against me, he counts
me as his enemy. Talking about God, you said that.
You even went as far as to say he put
he puts my feet in stocks and watches all my paths. Right,
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that's what's happening right here. And of course you hear
no interruption from Job. So apparently this young man has
been listening quite well. So now twelve through thirty and
will break those down even the more to tell. But Ala,
who now is gonna say I'm gonna answer these arguments.
I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of become believe it or not,
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he's gonna start sort of becoming an apologetic about God
and suffering, which is a topic that we've talked about
quite a bit. I will say this, if you have
been with me for the last ten years and you're
still confused about God and suffering, I just am a
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terrible teacher.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I'm terrible.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I hope that y'all have figured this out as much
as God has allowed us to understand it because.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
We've covered it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Agnausiam Okay, So now you're going to see a lie
who basically say the same thing. I think I know
a little bit about God and suffering and how God
deals with people, which will be twelve through twenty two,
how God deals with people. Behold in this. You are
not right. I will answer you, for God is greater
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than man. Joe really what you've given us is your
best understanding. But I've also established that you and I
are just human beings, that you and I are just mortals.
And you think you have a deep understanding of this.
But I'm here to tell you I don't think you do.
I think I can help. I think I can clear
some of this up for you. And he says, why
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do you contend against him? Saying he will sir, none
of man's words.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He said, by the way, I just want you to
know that you're not alone in being disciplined by God.
You know you're not alone in this. And he says
that when he says you're not right here, this is important.
In twelve when he says, behold in this you are
not right. That doesn't mean you're you're not correct. What
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it means is you're not righteous. You claim that you're righteous,
but you're really not. You're not as righteous as you think.
He says, don't charge God with being unjust or hostile.
The greatness of God speaks for itself. And then in thirteen,
why do you contend against him? Saying he will answer
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none of man's words. Who are you to demand that
God answer you? You know, it's it's a different thing.
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Now this is me. You know, here I go.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's okay to speculates on you acknowledge're speculating. I think
what we're What we should take away from this is
because I can just hear some people out there, if
not in here, going so I can't. I can't ever
ask God for an answer. Yes, asking is different than demanding.
Of course we can ask, we don't demand. And what
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he said is I hear you demanding. I don't hear
you asking. And it's one thing to ask, it's quite
another to demand God give you an answer.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know now, I know that in our lives.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sherry said that when our son died that she went
after everything she could possibly ever learn about God.
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In these situations, she said, I wanted to know. I did.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I wanted to know why. Now did she go out
and demand that God cleared this up? She didn't do that.
She went out and asked God to show her everything
he possibly could.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I want to know it all. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It was very similar to you know what I went through.
One of my dear friends that said, don't pray me
out of this too quick. I want to learn everything
I need to learn from this because I don't want
back in it. Sherry had the attitude of if this
is this is, this has happened, so let's take everything
out of this we can, you know, and she and
she said, I went out looking for answers. This is
the reason why she wrote the book. And she said,
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and God's never been silent on this. And I'll tell
you where God is in the middle of calamity, right
in the middle of it. And and he's not silent
on it. And uh, and so she grabbed everything she could.
I mean that that book that she wrote, I mean,
it's it's more scripture than it is anything because there
was a lot to find and and and it's there.
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And so this is really where a lot who's going
asking is great demanding you don't you don't have a
right to demand anything from God fourteen, which, by the way,
the One and only Living God addresses this.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He does make it clear he doesn't like to be
demanded by human beings.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So and job's gonna get a little taste of that
coming up a little bit later. Like I say, sometimes
you can demand God to show up and he goes,
I'm here. So anyway, so we get down to thirteen,
who do you contend against him? Saying he will answer
none of man's words fourteen For God speaks in one
way and in two, though man does not perceive it,
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God speaks in ways that you might have missed. Joe,
you're acting like you haven't been answered. I say you
have been. I say you missed it. You have been
paying attention, and it's but he does communicate. He just
does not commune municate in the way that you may demand.
But he's always communicating, and sometimes we just miss it.
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You know, I've had people say to me before, why
I just don't understand it all. I don't see God
doing anything in this. You know what I say, Well,
then you missed it or he hasn't shows you yet,
but it's there. He doesn't do things for no reason.
And if you don't have the reason, he hasn't seen
any reasons. I think you missed it because he's always
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He's always communicating. And this is exactly what this young
man is saying. You're looking for him to do this
the way you want to do it, and you might
want to be listening. And then he says, here's some
of the ways that he communicates. Now, the first one.
There's no nowhere in scripture that this happened to Joe,
but a lie who says, I'll tell you one way
he does it. One way he does it is through dreams.
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So we'll look at fifteen in a dream and a
vision of the night when deep sleep falls on men
while they slumber on their beds. That's one way does it.
God is speaking sometimes through dreams. We've seen this in scripture.
Is there anybody in here? This God ever spoke to
you in a dream? He is me. Now, I'm not
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talking about a lot a lot of dreams that I
have don't make any sense at all, And I don't
think they're from God at all, because you know, it
has things to do, like you know, finally, you know,
I'm getting to hang out with me and Joe Green
and Fish for some reason, I just don't think God
said anything of that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I always wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Maybe that's just a childhood dream, you know, you ever
had that where there's somebody and else and in the
dream you're like, I don't know how this happened. But
me and Joe Green and I are like great friends.
We're having lunch. So so anyway, but I have. I
remember one vividly. Is it was God teaching me something
about his design for marriage. And in the dream there's
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like this really wicked, horrifying looking gypsy which.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Kind of looking thing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I'm just denouncing this demon in the name of Jesus.
And I'm just denouncing it and I'm just denouncing it
in the name of Jesus, and I'm I'm getting so tired,
I mean, and I can barely stand there and and
and this demon just keeps coming back at me and
keeps coming back at me, and I'm just denouncing it, denouncing,
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and then finally I just get exhausted where I can't
even stand, and all of a sudden, I look and
my wife comes in and tatch me on the shoulder
and says, sit down and rest. And I sit down
and rest, and she starts denouncing it. And I woke
up and I was like, that was from God. You know,
I told you that I gave you your perfect helper,
and you're not using her.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You're you're you're you're.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Out there on your own, trying to do all this
on your own. And I've got I've given you a
gift right here in your home. Uh, that's right beside
you and you and you need to understand that when
you get Wren down, she's there to undergird you. She's
there to she she's she can denounce these demons just
like you can, you know, so, so use this gift.
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And Sharon and I have thought about that many many times.
So that was one I remember that was very clear.
Another one is that I remember in a dream hearing
clearly that this phrase and a dream I don't make
you partially righteous, I make you fully righteous. And I
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woke up to the sound of hearing I don't make
you partially righteous, I make you fully righteous. And I
was like, and so Sherry's like, what's up, I said,
believe or not? I said, I woke up with I
think the Holy Spirit telling me that, reminding me that
Jesus makes me fully righteous, not partially righteous. And she goes,
what do you think that means? I said, maybe it's
a reminder. Maybe I need to remember that, and and
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I will tell you that I always preach that every
time now that Jesus doesn't make you partially righteous, it
makes you fully righteous. And then another one was what
became the man church. I mean that that was as clear,
because I did not want to lead men's ministry.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I did not want to lead it in my local church.
No way. Know how.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Men's ministry is this frustrating as a ministry as you
could ever be part of. We were encouraging a group
of guys out in Texas just this past weekend, and
you could just hear them saying, I mean, everybody tells
us they're coming, then they don't show up. We got
people won't come to the They say they're coming to
the Bible study and they don't come. You know, we
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the church won't. You know, they're always they that we
can't get them to embrace us. And I said, welcome
to men's ministry. I said, of course the church will
make a big fuss about this on Father's Day. But
I said, but trying to get them to make it
prioritize at around the clock stuff. But I remember clearly,
which is why this ministry. I mean, I'm telling you, guys,
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most of the time, our guys are and we have
some big events here there, but most of what we
do is in the middle of nowhere in towns. You
never heard of sitting down discipling twenty guys sitting down
talking to forty guys. You know, some churches are excited
because they had fifty guys come and we go there
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just like you go to a big conference. And because
the Lord God Almighty said it said I'm calling a remnant,
I literally got up out of my bed and stood
beside my bed and I was like, what do you
want me to do?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And as clear as.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I have ever felt in my spirit, he told me
he wanted me to go and to disciple men and
understand that it's just gonna be a remnant, and not
get caught up in numbers. Don't get caught up how
many people are doing it. Just go do and tell
you what, tell you what you're gonna do. So I
go to eat lunch the next day, I tell you
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two as I go to church with I'm supposed to
lead the men men's ministry this church. I don't even
know what our church does in men's ministry. I have
no idea. Last thing I remember was men's fraternity, and
when it ended, we never met again. So is there
anything even going on? And they both start laughing, and
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I said, what are you all laughing at? And they're
looking over my shoulder and they said they said, the
guy who's currently currently leading the men's ministry just walked
into this lunch. I said, what they said, there he is,
he just walked in, So I said, I got up.
I walked over and said, hey, I'm Rick Burgess. He
said okay, and I said I'm supposed to help you
with men's ministry and he just in tears just got
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in his eyes. He said, I've been praying for God
to call you to this. And I said, well, let's
get to work. And that's what became, which is now
the Man Church dot com. So, yeah, God does speak
in dreams, but there's no indication in scripture at all
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that job was ever spoken to in a dream. But
a lot who's making the point, this is one way
that he does it, He says sixteen. Then he opens
the ears of men and terrifies them with warnings. Sometimes
the dreams and the visions that God gives people are frightening,
they're terrifying. You ever had one of those? Yeah, look,
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it's I don't apologize you know when when people I
can't stand when people do things like well, now look
you're just trying to scare people. Now maybe I mean,
you know, I don't know how to tell you this.
When I read Second Peter and he talks about the end,
the end of the world and how everything here is
going to be refined by fire.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Was that a big pick me up for y'all? Or
did that scare you? Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And and and he and what what is Peter saying?
I'd get my act together before I face that, right?
And so so sometimes if fear doesn't work. Have you
ever had like something happened to you, You nearly and
you nearly died.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You were getting right with God, weren't you?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, Like I said, I've had, I've have two of those.
One I was lost and if I had died, I'd
have gone to hell.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Big time. You be.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You better believe I was trying to work it out though, Okay,
when when I was in that water and uh and
and and that rapid had me and suck me under
and pin me under a rock.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Boy, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You you're sitting there at twenty years old, and you
think it's about to be over, You'll you'll start, you'll
start trying to get everything right. And by the grace
of God, he let me survive that. And then the
other was in that airplane, Man, good night. I never
will forget that everybody in there was redeemed, Praise the Lord,
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and that thing was bouncing around, and I still remember
one of our buddies on Team Man Church looked at
me and he said, you think we're about to die?
I said, you know, I'm not an expert on this,
but it doesn't look too good. And and he said,
he said, I ain't afraid to die, but I sure
ain't crazy about the process. I said, I know if
I'm the only one saying if this thing's going down,
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I hope we knows dive. I hope we don't do
anym rolls. We're all out here burning for a little while.
Let's let's let's be sitting into this thing at one
minute and with Jesus in the next, you know, and
uh so yeah, and and you know what everybody did
in that moment. Let's make sure there's nothing unresolved between
us and God, because because we're real close to.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Him right now.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And uh, let me tell you what you don't want.
If you're an airplane, you just never want. You don't
ever want the pilot to look over his shoulder and scream,
hang on okay, And because I've experienced it and you
just don't want that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I want him to look over here and say, don't
worry about it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Just getting a little bumpy. I ain't never had one,
and throw back as the earphones and go hang on
and uh. And so I said, if he's saying hang
on and then him looking out and that storm's going around.
And I asked him later, I said, when did you
know we're in trouble? He said another plane had gone
through the storm and was going around asking the tower
to assess the damage on the plane. And he said,
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and we were heading right into the same storm. And
I said, well that's not good. So but you know what,
we all got right with Jesus and we survived. I
tell you it was funny too. As we we landed
and we were doing a big man church events there.
So everybody on the ground's excited. I mean there, they've
been waiting on this for for a year and here
here we all come in. We got the merchandise and
all this stuff, got speakers, and they're so excited and
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they're they're coming up in the van. They're on the
tarmac and bones was with us, our road manager. You
got obvious, said I'd give everybody a minute, and uh,
we work work. There's we got people kissing the ground,
We've we've got we've got you know, dock coke all
over us.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We've got our heads.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Are bleeding for where we were hitting the ceiling even
seat belted in and uh, and we all walked around,
just everybody, give us a minute.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And uh, what do you think everybody was doing it?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Soon as we set up and got ready and set
the tables up and got everything ready, what do you
think everybody on the crew started doing.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They got that phone out. What were they looking at
weather apps? You think he's gonna do that again on
the way home. So I say, guys, we got to
focus on the event. We can't worry about the weather
right now. We'll worry about that we get back on
the plane. So yeah, these things get our attention.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
They do. And so sometimes God terrifies us, if that's
what it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Takes and seventeen why here it is that he may
turn man aside from his deed and conceal pride from
a man. The purpose of God terrifying us, the purpose
of God allowing us to go through calamity so many
times with my hand up, including me. It's just to
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break our pride, is to take us down a notch.
Paul talks about this, right, what does he say about
the thrown in his flesh? Why is it there to
keep him from being conceited. Paul says that he even said,
this is so miserable that a demon again has been
allowed because God could have stopped it. There's a demon
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that harasses me about this. What do you think that
demon is saying? I thought God loved you. You've asked
him three times to take away this misery and he
won't do it. You don't think the demon was having
a blast with that?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, I thought he loved you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well he did love me, apparently when I look at
the cross, and if he didn't, if he never did
another thing but that he's done plenty. But but Paul says,
the reason why God wouldn't remove it, tewod Corinthians, we
went through this is to keep me from being conceited
so many times. It just breaks our pride and the
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lot who's making that point?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Why do you think he's saying that? I don't know
whether you've got a pride problem? Or not, Joe, But
I'm won't tell you that's one of the reasons he
does stuff like this. Remember he's been apologetic on suffering.
Right now in eighteen he keeps back his soul from
the pit, his life from perishing by the sword. This
terror that God has allowed might deliver you from eternal death,
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from the pits of hell.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So many times when people are in misery and they
think they're about to die, so many times they make
sure that they're right with God, and sometimes it delivers
you from hell. Sometimes you got to understand that the
Lord God that we serve. I mean, there's so many
things I've said this before when I've been in other
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countries and had atheists debating me, is that I say,
you know this concept y'all have where you make God
out to be unreasonable because they always do. Oh, I
can't believe in God send people to hell and I
always come back and go. But that's not the God
I serve. The God that I serve is delivering us
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from hell. We're sending ourselves to help. He's actually delivering
us from the hell that we deserve. We're the ones
that keep wanting to send ourselves there. So many times
God says, what, I love you enough to scare you
to death so that you'll repent. I want to make
you so miserable that you finally repent, if that's what
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it takes. If you knew that your child was going
to die, and one way to keep your child from
dying was to make them uncomfortable, kick them out of
your house, make them suffer like the prodigal dad. Did
you ever wonder why the prodigal dad never begged his
son not to go? You know what he said, I'm
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gonna turn him over to it. And when did the
sun come to himself? When do you spend all of
daddy's money? And was eating little things out of the
pig slot? And what he say said I would be
better off being a servant in my daddy's house and
to be out here without him.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And he went on back? When did he go on back?
When he became miserable?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And so I mean, I'm not saying that we I
wish this on anybody, and I wish it wasn't this way.
But there's the way things maybe we wish they were,
and then there's the way things are, and human nature
is the way it is not the way I say
that about men's ministry. We got to stop trying to
implement strategy for the way we wish men were. The
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strategy better be designed for the way men actually are.
And so that's what we did, and we've seen some
great results from that. So nineteen things shift a little
bit now. Nineteen through twenty two, God speaks through suffering.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
God sends some.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, into his will through allowing them to suffer.
Nineteen man is also rebuked with pain on his bed
and with continual strife in his bones.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That had to hit close to home. I mean this
is clear.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I mean you talk about the chastening on a bed
of pain, constant just just hurt and distress in his bones.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You got did y'all not hear Joe talking about that's
the way he was? You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You know what a lot who's saying sometimes that's what
he does. That's what he does. Uh, he speaks through suffering.
You're saying he's not speaking, You're you're suffering?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Is him speaking?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Twenty so that his life loathes bread and his appetite
the choicest food. You become so sick you don't even
want to eat, and it results in severe weight loss.
Sometimes you ever been so you ever been so sick?
Now for me, you got to imagine how sick that's
got to be. Where you don't eat, where you don't
even want to eat. You ever, you ever went going
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through one of those stomach viruses you think I'll never
eat again. I'll tell you this. If I ever have
food poisoning, I don't eat that again. You know, I mean,
even though it's okay, it means it doesn't always, But
I just say no. Let me tell you. Me and
mushroom gravy, we're over. And you know, mushroom gravy pretty good.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Not for me. I had a bad.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Experience of mushroom gravy. I got in some bad mushrooms.
So you know what, I don't eat it. If I
just see it, I'll just god, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
We've been there, right, and a lot of times. What
do you lose when you see you lose your appetite?
You don't feel like you eat it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Twenty one.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
His flesh is so wasted away that it cannot be seen.
And his bones that were not seen now they stick out.
Well you see that visual right, He's become so emaciated.
It appears he didn't even have flesh. It's like it's
just skin hanging on bone and bone sticking out.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And by the way he looks this way twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Two, his soul draws near the pit in his life
to those who bring death, says, you can survived as disease.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's the first part.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Sometimes he gives you disease and you go near the pit.
But it says, but now let me tell you, when
you lose it every single time is when somebody murders you.
Those who bring death. Murder is going to result in
death every single time, thus its name. So it says,
but what about this, What about if he were to
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send an angel to rescue you. Sometimes he does that,
And look at twenty two through twenty five. If there
be for him, Now here's where we see the big foreshadowing. Okay,
this is where it gets really good, really new Covenant
stuff here here. However, what if they're for him was
an angel? Let's look at the next word. A mediator,
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one of the thousand to declare to man what is
right for him?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
What if a mediator?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
What if an advocate showed up to defend you to
the point that they they defended you so much that
they made you right with God. Hello, what a foreshadowing
to Jesus. And here's a lie who he seems to
understand we need something like that. Remember a few times
Job started thinking like that. Well, hopefully you know he's
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hearing this, going yeah, I had that same thought twenty
four And he's merciful to it, and he says, deliver
him from going down to the pit.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Look at this next one.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I have found a ransom, guys, a gracious intercessor to
plead to your judge for mercy and being willing, willing
to pay your ransom. Do you are you glad that
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what they're they're they're they're they're they're thinking forward.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
About we got to experience think about.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Unlike like Job, unlike Alahu, we have the advocate. This
was already done for us, So we do have. I mean,
can you imagine that while you slept last night, that
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the son of God, sitting next to his father is
interceding for you. I paid his ransom. Can you believe
this guy? I paid his ransom. We're working it out.
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He's being sanctified. He's not there yet. He's still got
that sin of nature. Well, the anger of God burns.
But then our tryune God that features the Son and
the Holy Spirit. We paid this ransom, so the ransom
had to be paid. So don't ever get in your
that somehow the ransom was forgiven.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The ransom was just paid by Jesus. And if you
don't have Jesus, it's going to be paid by youth.
Because God is holy and we are not. We need
this advocate, We need this inaccessor. We need this person
to pay the ransom and praise God in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
We have it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
He goes on in twenty five. Let his flesh become
flesh with youth. Let him return to the days of
his youthful vigor.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
What is he talking about here? I would put this
this way.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
If there were just some way that we could be
born again, we just could go back and have be
a baby again, start over, take this horrible mess here
in job, and be restored to almost like you were
just what regenerated born again. Wouldn't that be something? And
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you know what we get to say. We know about
it because we've lived it. Twenty six. Then man prays
to God and he accepts him. He sees his face
with a shout of joy, and he restores to man
his righteousness.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Repentance, repentance, job, repentance will work.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Maybe you pray to God to be restored. God, here's
your prayer of repentance, and he restores himself to you,
and he makes you righteous again. What gives Heaven much
to celebrate?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Can you believe that? Ala? Who's talking about this?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Long, long, long long before a baby was ever born
in a manger, before God took on human flesh, this
was already our cry.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
As a human race.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
We're crying out for Jesus. It's just so moving. Twenty seven.
He sings before men and says, I have sinned and
perverted what is right, and it was not repaid to me.
I've been forgiven. I deserve punishment and death. Justice was
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not carried out. I was shown mercy and grace and
a lot who says, oh, for such a day, now,
don't don't forget this. The beautiful thing here is I
have sinned and perverted what is right?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Now?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
What's that acknowledgment of my sin? That's repentance, you know,
if you got to be careful. There's this weird theology
out there right now that has stopped talking about repentance.
Let me tell you something. At Pentecost, when when Peter
gets it right for the first time and and the
apostles now.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Have the power of the Holy Spirit. Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
The the the answer to the question from the first
crowd that gathered when they cried out to now Holy
Spirit inspired Peter no longer going to deny Christ again.
They cry out to Peter, our hearts are cut by this, this,
this very spirit of God.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
What are we supposed to do? Repent? Guys?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
If that's the first thing that was ever said in
the New Covenant, then repentance is crucial. Remember that Jesus
said that before he was crucified, repent or perish. He's
he's he's setting up what's coming. And you remember the
Pharisees were like, well, now do these pagans do they
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need to repent more than we need to? And He's like, no,
everybody repent or perish and and and so repentance is key.
I deserve punishment, right, That's where we lose that gratitude
when somehow we forget what we deserved. I've heard Dave
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Ramsey said, over over again, how you doing better? Than
I deserve, and when we lose sight of what we
deserve and how guilty we are, I think the problem
I mean it was I know with me. I think
the problem that keeps so many people from repentance is
they're too arrogant and prideful to admit they're wrong. Be
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careful with people that can never admit they're wrong, because
you can get to where you're so enamored with you
always being right, and you're so resistant to ever even
considering that you might be wrong. You'll find yourself having
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that attitude toward God.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
What do I need to repent of? I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I'm certainly not making a political statement here, I'm making
a spiritual statement here. It broke my heart the first
time I heard President Trump be interviewed about repentance and
he said I don't have anything to be forgiven for.
And I thought, wow, I hope that's changed. That's a
lofty comment, But you know what that means if you
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think you're a pretty good old guy and you haven't
done anything really.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That was grievous. You know.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I think some people think if they've never murdered anybody
in cold blood, that they're really a pretty good old guy,
but compared to God, we're actually not and we are wretched.
And you're going to see that play out. If you'll
stay with me till the end of job, you're going
to see that play out real clearly. Eighteen I mean
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twenty eight. He has redeemed my soul from going down
into the pit, and my life shall look upon the light.
I'm going to live, not die eternally because I've been redeemed,
I've been forgiven, and that has brought light into the
darkness of my sin state.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Praise God for that.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Much to celebrate now God's purposes and will close behold.
God does all these things twice three times with a man.
These things he means, the dreams, the visions, the chastening,
the chasening, the suffering. He does this over and over again.
It's a cycle job. It's been going on since the fall,
and God just continues to do these things until he
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gets the result thirty to bring back his soul from
the pit, that he might be lighted with the light
of life. He's doing this because he's trying to deliver him.
Believe it or not, Remember we've talked about this before
in Bible.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Studies past.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
But let's ask ourselves a really, really hard question. Can
you ever get to the point that you see the
suffering in your life is gracious, merciful, a gift from
God as opposed to a punishment from God?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
A gift from God.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Now, have there been things that I brought on my life,
because that are clearly punishment and result of my sin,
of course, but there's many times that calamity has entered
my life for my own.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Good as a gift. It was merciful.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
It was gracious because it got me to a place
that I couldn't get any other way. Can you can
you ever get that mindset that's a gift from God,
It's a blessing. It's gracious, it's merciful. The next wrapping
it up is a challenge to Job thirty one through
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thirty three. Pay attention, O Job, listen to me, be
silent and I will speak. Sounds like it's possible maybe
that he had to demand Job's attention, and maybe Job
was drifting. I don't know. I certainly have been there.
I think if I was in the state that job
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was in, I might drift off. You might have to go, hey,
get back, look back, up here at me. Of course
that's easy for me because my entire life, anytime someone
was speaking to me, they had to keep getting my attention.
You know, I didn't do well in the lecture format,
so I apologized. Those of you that are in one
right now, I remember thinking better. I learned more if
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you put me in a room that had no windows.
Thirty two. If you have any words, answer me, speak
for I desire to justify you, he says.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Look, I'm here to justify you.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Is there anything that I'm saying that you would like
to say?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
So speak up, speak for yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
And if you don't have anything to say, maybe you
just receive what I said. Why don't you just repent?
Speaker 1 (53:13):
If there's something there, repent. If there's something else to say,
then say it. Do one or the other. Thirty three.
If not.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Listen to me, be silent, and I will teach you wisdom.
So if this is the case, there's an assumption here
that the other three have failed to teach job wisdom. Right,
Why does a lie who have to teach you wisdom?
I guess that hadn't been told yet. You couldn't come
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to any other conclusion, right, I mean, if my job
was to today, which it is, to teach you the
Bible and teach you. If the next person came up
and sat down and said, now, anybody want me to
teach you?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Chapter twenty thirty three of job, what would I have
to assume that guy? I didn't think I did it.
I didn't cover it. You know.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I will tell you that sometimes I have spoke places
and an MC or a pastor has gotten up after
me and apparently preached a second sermon. And sometimes I've
been like, I guess I didn't cover it. I guess
I didn't have that now. So so anyway, so he
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now will take on the task of apparently teaching something
he thinks hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Taught yet, wisdom. So let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
And we'll end. What position would we be in? Are
we people that can teach wisdom? Have we learned from God?
Are we the guys that just continue to have to
be taught wisdom? Are you learning the things that God
is teaching? Are you applying the things that God is teaching?
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Or do you just have to keep being taught it
over and over and over again. I think about the
writer of Hebrews or as my wife calls him Paul
when he says, I can't believe that I keep having
to go over these basic one hundred level things some
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of y'all should be teaching by now, but I keep
having to go back and teach you the basic oracles
of God. And I don't sense that from y'all at all.
I'm just throwing that out there as a challenge for
us today. Do we still have to be taught these things?
Can we teach these things? And are we continuing? I mean,
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are we moving on, meaning learning new things now as
opposed to continue to have to be taught the same
old stuff over and over again. Stick with me, because
apparently young Eliho says he's gonna teach us all wisdom
and we'll continue.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
That next week.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Lord Willing, let's pray, Lord, thank you, thank you for
the message today. Seeing Jesus in this presentation from this
young man is amazing. I'm so thankful that we have
all the things.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
That he's yearning for.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Thank you, Lord, thank you that we do have the
advocate Jesus. Are you out there, has Jesus interceded for you?
Have you repented and left faith in yourself and place
faith your faith in that intercessor that we do have,
that advocate, that mediator who says, if you repent and
confess me as your lord, I'll go to the Father
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and I'll present you as blameless.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
I'll present you as.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Full righteous, not partial, fully righteous because of the I
paid the price. I paid the ransom. I'm here to
take you before my Father and presents you as righteous.
Maybe you're out there in today's your day, you said,
you know what I want, that advocate. I want that mediator,
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I want that intercessor, And you're just saying today, Jesus
forgive me. I leave faith in myself and I place
my faith in you. Thank you for paying the price
that I should have paid, and I repent of my sin,
and I take the gift of your redemption. And I
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want to be freed by the ransom that you paid
for me. Scripture tells us the sincerity of your heart,
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faith in yourself and placing your faith in Jesus. You
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I'd love to walk. We did love to help you
and your holy name Jesus, we pray Amen. Thank you
very much
Welcome to the Wednesday Bible Study.
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We are so grateful that you have decided to devote
some time to studying the Word of God with us today.
We are continuing our study of the Book of Job today.
If you want to go ahead and turn there, we'll
be in Job chapter thirty three today. So my name
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So let's open up in a word of prayer and
jump into job chapter thirty three. Lord, thank you for today,
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Thank you for the opportunity to get together as brothers
in the room and brothers and sisters around the world,
and study your Holy Word, help us to to see
the foreshadowings. Today is young Allah who is gonna He's
gonna have some wisdom today. But at the same time,
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we're all continuing to anticipate the upcoming confrontation with Job
and You the one and only living God, and may
that be something that we all have a healthy fear of.
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In your name, we pray Amen. So let's go there.
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So we're now in Job thirty three and Allah who
has the floor, and he is he is he's really
starting to talk. Last week he kind of set the
stage of who he was, how he had waited on
his time to talk.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Uh, he wasn't impressed with what he had been hearing.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Some of the guys asked me before we started this,
saying how long does some of these theologians think this
whole job process lasted. Nobody really knows, but there's speculation
that's somewhere around four months that all this was this
took place.
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That we don't don't write that down and.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Say that's the truth, but that that seems to be
what most people think. So here we are, you know,
a lot who's going to be the bridge to the
encounter with God. It is interesting that Job is not
responding to a lot of who. We don't really know why.
It may be that he's allowing for Job to respond,
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but Job just is listening.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So this one is going to be directed at Job.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
It's gonna be it's gonna be a different tone than
the way the other three friends have talked to Job.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna talk truth. It's gonna
be straightforward. But but it just doesn't seem to be
as harsh, certainly not as disrespectful as his other three
friends have been. Uh, he's not gonna browbeat Job, but
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but simply state.
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What he will say is what God has laid on
his heart. Now that's important, you know.
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It's it's one thing for us to to make sure
everybody knows what what we have on our heart. It's
quite another to go to a brother or sister and say,
here's something that God has laid on my heart that
I think.
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I'm supposed to share with you.
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That that's kind of two different approaches, And you know,
I think about that a lot when I go back
to our studies of first and second Corinthians. You know
which really Second Corinthians is Third Corinthians if you really
went chronological. I always wonder about that second letter that
God never let us find and it did not make
the canon canonization of scripture. It was never found. And
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it could be that First Corinthians and third Corinthians were
inspired by God and Second Corinthians was just inspired by Paul,
so that that could be it. So anyway, so a
lot who wants you to know that this is coming
from from God, not necessarily from him. So let's look
at at verse one. But here now, but now hear
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my speech, O Job, and listen to all my words.
Now that's a little confrontational. It sounds like he's demanding
that Job listened to him. Uh in this But but really,
if you look at the words that are being used here,
the original language, it's really more likely that he's just
clarifying to what we don't Who knows how big a
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crowd is here.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
We know there's three, there may have been more.
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That he's just making sure that we all know that
what he's about to say he wants that directed at Job.
Now he does seem to want Job's attention and Then
he gets into second verse two of thirty three, and
he says, behold, I open my mouth, the tongue in
my mouth speaks. That's kind of poetic, but it really
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doesn't say anything other than I'm about to speak.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I got something I want to say.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Everybody listen as I roll through this, and I say
what's on my mind. So he gets into verse three
and he says, my words declare the uprightness of my heart,
and what my lips know they speak sincerely. So he says, now,
what I'm about to say is characterized by an uprightness,
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a sincerity of purity. It comes from a place of knowledge.
What he is saying here, you really can't interpret it
any other way. He's taking a shot at the other
three because what he's saying is true. About what he's
about to say can also be interpreted is it's at
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the opposite of what's already been said. Right, there's really
two things happening here. So what he's saying is Job's
other three friends they weren't coming from a place of
being upright. They weren't sincere. There certainly wasn't any pure
motivation there, and really it sounded like they didn't have
much knowledge at all, but I'm going to I'm going
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to keep everything in its proper balance. Do you ever
stop and kind of take a breath? And you know,
I had a situation with one of my sons over
this past weekend that I did not take a breath
and then had to go back and kind of repair
some some of that because when I get in, when
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I first got started, my motivation was not to get
to the answer.
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My motivation was not to teach.
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My whole motivation was I'm frustrated, I'm mad, and I'm
sick of this, and I'm done with it.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
And of course you know I was.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I have you ever started on like a rant and
you just really went off, and even about midway through it,
you realize I kind of wish I hadn't done it
this way, you know, because now I've got to go
back and I got to repair this, got to repair
that I should have just called and said, hey, can
you answer this question for me and help me find
what I'm looking for, because maybe you have it here somewhere,
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it's just not where I thought it would be, you know,
one of those kinds of things, And I didn't I
had to make sure that everybody knew how done with
this I was and how tired I was of it,
that this has happened again, and so so I had
to go back and repair that. So I do think
that there's a lesson here that we're learning from Alaihu,
and that is, you know, make sure before we're going
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to go and hold someone accountable, that we go ahead
and explain to them where we're coming from. I always
want to know that, don't you. I mean, somebody, sit
down and say, look what I want to talk to
you about. I think God wants me to say this
to you. I want you to know my motivation is pure.
I'm not trying to tear you down and lift me up.
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What I'm gonna say, I'm going to say, sincerely, this
is something I truly think you need to hear, and
I want you to know that what I'm gonna talk about,
I've gone and gathered all the information I've got the
knowledge of this situation. I'm not coming in here half
cocked and don't know what I'm talking about, and then
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I'm gonna come in here and jump on you. Is
there any worse feeling to start jumping on somebody and
they can stop you back midway and say, oh, by
the way.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
That never happened.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What I really had a great speech planned about something
that didn't happen, and they're like, well, let me tell
you exactly what happened. And by the time they explained it,
you're like, oh, this is not near as bad as
I thought it was, and you have to table about
half your speech, but are sometimes you give it anyway.
So he's establishing that. So in verse four he says,
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the spirit of God has made me, and the breath
of the Almighty gives me life. Now, this is a
beautiful point two, this is humbling. He's saying, look, we're
just men here. I'm submitting to that. I'm submitted to God,
the Creator, and the same God that created me created you.
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We're fellow human beings. And I'm no better than you
job because God created me just like he created you.
So I'm coming to you as one man who's created
by God to another man who's created by God. What
is he telling him right there? I'm not better than you.
I'm not coming in with that kind of attitude at all.
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Let's talk as equals, both made that both breathing the
same breath of God that he breathed into all humans.
So now Verse five, answer me, if you can set
your words in order before me, take your stand. Now,
this is the one where the theologians begin to kind
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of theorize. Is is this him saying if you want
to say something right now, then I'm gonna I'm gonna be.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Quiet and let you speak.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Does Job just decide he's not gonna do that because
there's some commands here, and he says, answer me, prepare yourself,
confront me if that's what you need to do, but
you'll I'll go ahead and tell you how this whole
time of allt who ends it never happens. Job never
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answers him. Job never confronts him. Job never stands up
and said, let me clear that up for you. So
that doesn't happen. But it appears that's that Job just
sits and listens, because there's nowhere in here that we
see him interrupt allaho and say, here's my own here's
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my own demands. I'm gonna make some demands of you.
I'm gonna correct you. I disagree with that. That never happens.
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So verse.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Behold, I am toward God as you are I too
was pinched off from a piece of clay.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Relax, it's just.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Another mortal talking to another mortal. Okay, I don't think
that I've got some depth that you don't have. We
all just made from the same clay. That's a good
attitude to have when you're talking to somebody, you know,
trying to elevate ourselves to another human being, when we
realize that none of us are anything special. We're all
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just the same old lump of clay. The only thing
good about any of us is our creator. He certainly
isn't impressed with any of us, and so so then
he makes that point. So seven, he said, behold, no
fear of me need terrify you. Now this is good
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because I always like this. I don't know if any
of you have ever been in a situation where you
you you see that somebody has said, you know something,
I got something I need to say to you, because
we know that's already happened. I've been I've been silent
long enough. It feels good for somebody to say, now
what I'm gonna say. There's nothing to dread. There's no
need for you to be upset. There's no need for
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you to be worried about what I'm about to say.
I'm not I'm not someone to be, you know, feared.
I'm not I'm not going to.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Be too heavy.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
We're just going to get down to the facts. Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I would like hearing that, because there's an instinct in
all of us, if we're just honest to defend.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Ourselves, to brustle up a little bit, to bow up
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
We called it in Calhoun County, you know, but you
bow up on somebody and uh. And so he's trying
to kind of downplay that. So he's established what he's doing,
he's established why he's doing it. He's told Job, you
have the freedom to interrupt me anytime you want to. Uh.
And now he says, uh that he is going to
be stating Job's argument. I'm not going to go back
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and review what I heard you say. So he starts
in verse eight. Surely you have spoken in my ears,
and I have heard the sound of your words. Now
what that means is, I've kind of kept a record
of everything you said. I've been standing here silent, but
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I have been listening, and I'm going to recount.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
The case that you've made this is what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Verse nine, you say, I'm pure without transgression, I am clean,
and there's no iniquity in me. Now, Job, if we
have this right, you have claimed that your two things,
there's two words that you've used to describe yourself, pure
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and clean. Are no sin, no guilt. That's what you said.
There's no interruption from Job. So apparently a lie who
has kept good notes. Then in ten he says, behold,
he finds occasions against me. He counts me as his enemy. Now, Joe,
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I don't if I recall, you said that God's not
treating you right, you said that even though these two
things are true, you're pure, you're clean, there's no sin,
no guilt. But then you go on to say, but
God seems to be against me. God seems to be
treating me as his enemy.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Is that right? Job?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And that what you said, And of course we'd all say, yeah,
we heard that too, if you took good notes and
so then verse eleven, now this is almost a direct
quote from Job. He puts my feet in the stocks
and watches all my paths. If you go go back
to thirteen Job thirteen, verse twenty seven, that's almost an
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exact quote. So a lot of who here is making
sure that he's got that right. Do you ever have
that you you ever done that to somebody or had
it done to you? Now, let me get this right.
Did you not say this? Did you not say that?
Did you not say this? And did this not happen?
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If you don't do that, I would suggest that you do.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Anytime I sit down in any kind of confrontation with
somebody or any kind of discussion, I always review to
make sure there's no dispute of the facts, right, Because
the worst thing you can do is go ahead and
start without making sure everybody agrees on this, because you
may get a disagreement right out of the gate.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And go, oh, no, another that didn't happen. So at
this point you'd go all right.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
So you said I'm pure without transgression. You said I'm
clean and there's no iniquity in me. So would say,
did you go on to say, interrupt me if I'm wrong?
You said, behold, he finds occasions against me, he counts
me as his enemy. Talking about God, you said that.
You even went as far as to say he put
he puts my feet in stocks and watches all my paths. Right,
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that's what's happening right here. And of course you hear
no interruption from Job. So apparently this young man has
been listening quite well. So now twelve through thirty and
will break those down even the more to tell. But Ala,
who now is gonna say I'm gonna answer these arguments.
I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of become believe it or not,
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he's gonna start sort of becoming an apologetic about God
and suffering, which is a topic that we've talked about
quite a bit. I will say this, if you have
been with me for the last ten years and you're
still confused about God and suffering, I just am a
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terrible teacher.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, I'm terrible.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
I hope that y'all have figured this out as much
as God has allowed us to understand it because.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
We've covered it.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Agnausiam Okay, So now you're going to see a lie
who basically say the same thing. I think I know
a little bit about God and suffering and how God
deals with people, which will be twelve through twenty two,
how God deals with people. Behold in this. You are
not right. I will answer you, for God is greater
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than man. Joe really what you've given us is your
best understanding. But I've also established that you and I
are just human beings, that you and I are just mortals.
And you think you have a deep understanding of this.
But I'm here to tell you I don't think you do.
I think I can help. I think I can clear
some of this up for you. And he says, why
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do you contend against him? Saying he will sir, none
of man's words.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay, so.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
He said, by the way, I just want you to
know that you're not alone in being disciplined by God.
You know you're not alone in this. And he says
that when he says you're not right here, this is important.
In twelve when he says, behold in this you are
not right. That doesn't mean you're you're not correct. What
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it means is you're not righteous. You claim that you're righteous,
but you're really not. You're not as righteous as you think.
He says, don't charge God with being unjust or hostile.
The greatness of God speaks for itself. And then in thirteen,
why do you contend against him? Saying he will answer
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none of man's words. Who are you to demand that
God answer you? You know, it's it's a different thing.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Now this is me. You know, here I go.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's okay to speculates on you acknowledge're speculating. I think
what we're What we should take away from this is
because I can just hear some people out there, if
not in here, going so I can't. I can't ever
ask God for an answer. Yes, asking is different than demanding.
Of course we can ask, we don't demand. And what
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he said is I hear you demanding. I don't hear
you asking. And it's one thing to ask, it's quite
another to demand God give you an answer.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
You know now, I know that in our lives.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Sherry said that when our son died that she went
after everything she could possibly ever learn about God.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
In these situations, she said, I wanted to know. I did.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I wanted to know why. Now did she go out
and demand that God cleared this up? She didn't do that.
She went out and asked God to show her everything
he possibly could.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I want to know it all. You know.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
It was very similar to you know what I went through.
One of my dear friends that said, don't pray me
out of this too quick. I want to learn everything
I need to learn from this because I don't want
back in it. Sherry had the attitude of if this
is this is, this has happened, so let's take everything
out of this we can, you know, and she and
she said, I went out looking for answers. This is
the reason why she wrote the book. And she said,
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and God's never been silent on this. And I'll tell
you where God is in the middle of calamity, right
in the middle of it. And and he's not silent
on it. And uh, and so she grabbed everything she could.
I mean that that book that she wrote, I mean,
it's it's more scripture than it is anything because there
was a lot to find and and and it's there.
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And so this is really where a lot who's going
asking is great demanding you don't you don't have a
right to demand anything from God fourteen, which, by the way,
the One and only Living God addresses this.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
He does make it clear he doesn't like to be
demanded by human beings.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
So and job's gonna get a little taste of that
coming up a little bit later. Like I say, sometimes
you can demand God to show up and he goes,
I'm here. So anyway, so we get down to thirteen,
who do you contend against him? Saying he will answer
none of man's words fourteen For God speaks in one
way and in two, though man does not perceive it,
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God speaks in ways that you might have missed. Joe,
you're acting like you haven't been answered. I say you
have been. I say you missed it. You have been
paying attention, and it's but he does communicate. He just
does not commune municate in the way that you may demand.
But he's always communicating, and sometimes we just miss it.
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You know, I've had people say to me before, why
I just don't understand it all. I don't see God
doing anything in this. You know what I say, Well,
then you missed it or he hasn't shows you yet,
but it's there. He doesn't do things for no reason.
And if you don't have the reason, he hasn't seen
any reasons. I think you missed it because he's always
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He's always communicating. And this is exactly what this young
man is saying. You're looking for him to do this
the way you want to do it, and you might
want to be listening. And then he says, here's some
of the ways that he communicates. Now, the first one.
There's no nowhere in scripture that this happened to Joe,
but a lie who says, I'll tell you one way
he does it. One way he does it is through dreams.
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So we'll look at fifteen in a dream and a
vision of the night when deep sleep falls on men
while they slumber on their beds. That's one way does it.
God is speaking sometimes through dreams. We've seen this in scripture.
Is there anybody in here? This God ever spoke to
you in a dream? He is me. Now, I'm not
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talking about a lot a lot of dreams that I
have don't make any sense at all, And I don't
think they're from God at all, because you know, it
has things to do, like you know, finally, you know,
I'm getting to hang out with me and Joe Green
and Fish for some reason, I just don't think God
said anything of that.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I always wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Maybe that's just a childhood dream, you know, you ever
had that where there's somebody and else and in the
dream you're like, I don't know how this happened. But
me and Joe Green and I are like great friends.
We're having lunch. So so anyway, but I have. I
remember one vividly. Is it was God teaching me something
about his design for marriage. And in the dream there's
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like this really wicked, horrifying looking gypsy which.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Kind of looking thing.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And I'm just denouncing this demon in the name of Jesus.
And I'm just denouncing it and I'm just denouncing it
in the name of Jesus, and I'm I'm getting so tired,
I mean, and I can barely stand there and and
and this demon just keeps coming back at me and
keeps coming back at me, and I'm just denouncing it, denouncing,
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and then finally I just get exhausted where I can't
even stand, and all of a sudden, I look and
my wife comes in and tatch me on the shoulder
and says, sit down and rest. And I sit down
and rest, and she starts denouncing it. And I woke
up and I was like, that was from God. You know,
I told you that I gave you your perfect helper,
and you're not using her.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
You're you're you're you're.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Out there on your own, trying to do all this
on your own. And I've got I've given you a
gift right here in your home. Uh, that's right beside
you and you and you need to understand that when
you get Wren down, she's there to undergird you. She's
there to she she's she can denounce these demons just
like you can, you know, so, so use this gift.
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And Sharon and I have thought about that many many times.
So that was one I remember that was very clear.
Another one is that I remember in a dream hearing
clearly that this phrase and a dream I don't make
you partially righteous, I make you fully righteous. And I
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woke up to the sound of hearing I don't make
you partially righteous, I make you fully righteous. And I
was like, and so Sherry's like, what's up, I said,
believe or not? I said, I woke up with I
think the Holy Spirit telling me that, reminding me that
Jesus makes me fully righteous, not partially righteous. And she goes,
what do you think that means? I said, maybe it's
a reminder. Maybe I need to remember that, and and
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I will tell you that I always preach that every
time now that Jesus doesn't make you partially righteous, it
makes you fully righteous. And then another one was what
became the man church. I mean that that was as clear,
because I did not want to lead men's ministry.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I did not want to lead it in my local church.
No way. Know how.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Men's ministry is this frustrating as a ministry as you
could ever be part of. We were encouraging a group
of guys out in Texas just this past weekend, and
you could just hear them saying, I mean, everybody tells
us they're coming, then they don't show up. We got
people won't come to the They say they're coming to
the Bible study and they don't come. You know, we
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the church won't. You know, they're always they that we
can't get them to embrace us. And I said, welcome
to men's ministry. I said, of course the church will
make a big fuss about this on Father's Day. But
I said, but trying to get them to make it
prioritize at around the clock stuff. But I remember clearly,
which is why this ministry. I mean, I'm telling you, guys,
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most of the time, our guys are and we have
some big events here there, but most of what we
do is in the middle of nowhere in towns. You
never heard of sitting down discipling twenty guys sitting down
talking to forty guys. You know, some churches are excited
because they had fifty guys come and we go there
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just like you go to a big conference. And because
the Lord God Almighty said it said I'm calling a remnant,
I literally got up out of my bed and stood
beside my bed and I was like, what do you
want me to do?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
And as clear as.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I have ever felt in my spirit, he told me
he wanted me to go and to disciple men and
understand that it's just gonna be a remnant, and not
get caught up in numbers. Don't get caught up how
many people are doing it. Just go do and tell
you what, tell you what you're gonna do. So I
go to eat lunch the next day, I tell you
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two as I go to church with I'm supposed to
lead the men men's ministry this church. I don't even
know what our church does in men's ministry. I have
no idea. Last thing I remember was men's fraternity, and
when it ended, we never met again. So is there
anything even going on? And they both start laughing, and
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I said, what are you all laughing at? And they're
looking over my shoulder and they said they said, the
guy who's currently currently leading the men's ministry just walked
into this lunch. I said, what they said, there he is,
he just walked in, So I said, I got up.
I walked over and said, hey, I'm Rick Burgess. He
said okay, and I said I'm supposed to help you
with men's ministry and he just in tears just got
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in his eyes. He said, I've been praying for God
to call you to this. And I said, well, let's
get to work. And that's what became, which is now
the Man Church dot com. So, yeah, God does speak
in dreams, but there's no indication in scripture at all
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that job was ever spoken to in a dream. But
a lot who's making the point, this is one way
that he does it, He says sixteen. Then he opens
the ears of men and terrifies them with warnings. Sometimes
the dreams and the visions that God gives people are frightening,
they're terrifying. You ever had one of those? Yeah, look,
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it's I don't apologize you know when when people I
can't stand when people do things like well, now look
you're just trying to scare people. Now maybe I mean,
you know, I don't know how to tell you this.
When I read Second Peter and he talks about the end,
the end of the world and how everything here is
going to be refined by fire.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Was that a big pick me up for y'all? Or
did that scare you? Okay?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And and and he and what what is Peter saying?
I'd get my act together before I face that, right?
And so so sometimes if fear doesn't work. Have you
ever had like something happened to you, You nearly and
you nearly died.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You were getting right with God, weren't you?
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Yeah, Like I said, I've had, I've have two of those.
One I was lost and if I had died, I'd
have gone to hell.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Big time. You be.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You better believe I was trying to work it out though, Okay,
when when I was in that water and uh and
and and that rapid had me and suck me under
and pin me under a rock.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Boy, let me tell you something.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You you're sitting there at twenty years old, and you
think it's about to be over, You'll you'll start, you'll
start trying to get everything right. And by the grace
of God, he let me survive that. And then the
other was in that airplane, Man, good night. I never
will forget that everybody in there was redeemed, Praise the Lord,
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and that thing was bouncing around, and I still remember
one of our buddies on Team Man Church looked at
me and he said, you think we're about to die?
I said, you know, I'm not an expert on this,
but it doesn't look too good. And and he said,
he said, I ain't afraid to die, but I sure
ain't crazy about the process. I said, I know if
I'm the only one saying if this thing's going down,
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I hope we knows dive. I hope we don't do
anym rolls. We're all out here burning for a little while.
Let's let's let's be sitting into this thing at one
minute and with Jesus in the next, you know, and
uh so yeah, and and you know what everybody did
in that moment. Let's make sure there's nothing unresolved between
us and God, because because we're real close to.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Him right now.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
And uh, let me tell you what you don't want.
If you're an airplane, you just never want. You don't
ever want the pilot to look over his shoulder and scream,
hang on okay, And because I've experienced it and you
just don't want that.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I want him to look over here and say, don't
worry about it.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Just getting a little bumpy. I ain't never had one,
and throw back as the earphones and go hang on
and uh. And so I said, if he's saying hang
on and then him looking out and that storm's going around.
And I asked him later, I said, when did you
know we're in trouble? He said another plane had gone
through the storm and was going around asking the tower
to assess the damage on the plane. And he said,
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and we were heading right into the same storm. And
I said, well that's not good. So but you know what,
we all got right with Jesus and we survived. I
tell you it was funny too. As we we landed
and we were doing a big man church events there.
So everybody on the ground's excited. I mean there, they've
been waiting on this for for a year and here
here we all come in. We got the merchandise and
all this stuff, got speakers, and they're so excited and
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they're they're coming up in the van. They're on the
tarmac and bones was with us, our road manager. You
got obvious, said I'd give everybody a minute, and uh,
we work work. There's we got people kissing the ground,
We've we've got we've got you know, dock coke all
over us.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
We've got our heads.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Are bleeding for where we were hitting the ceiling even
seat belted in and uh, and we all walked around,
just everybody, give us a minute.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
And uh, what do you think everybody was doing it?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Soon as we set up and got ready and set
the tables up and got everything ready, what do you
think everybody on the crew started doing.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
I'll show you.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
They got that phone out. What were they looking at
weather apps? You think he's gonna do that again on
the way home. So I say, guys, we got to
focus on the event. We can't worry about the weather
right now. We'll worry about that we get back on
the plane. So yeah, these things get our attention.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
They do. And so sometimes God terrifies us, if that's
what it.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Takes and seventeen why here it is that he may
turn man aside from his deed and conceal pride from
a man. The purpose of God terrifying us, the purpose
of God allowing us to go through calamity so many
times with my hand up, including me. It's just to
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break our pride, is to take us down a notch.
Paul talks about this, right, what does he say about
the thrown in his flesh? Why is it there to
keep him from being conceited. Paul says that he even said,
this is so miserable that a demon again has been
allowed because God could have stopped it. There's a demon
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that harasses me about this. What do you think that
demon is saying? I thought God loved you. You've asked
him three times to take away this misery and he
won't do it. You don't think the demon was having
a blast with that?
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Well, I thought he loved you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Well he did love me, apparently when I look at
the cross, and if he didn't, if he never did
another thing but that he's done plenty. But but Paul says,
the reason why God wouldn't remove it, tewod Corinthians, we
went through this is to keep me from being conceited
so many times. It just breaks our pride and the
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lot who's making that point?
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Now?
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Why do you think he's saying that? I don't know
whether you've got a pride problem? Or not, Joe, But
I'm won't tell you that's one of the reasons he
does stuff like this. Remember he's been apologetic on suffering.
Right now in eighteen he keeps back his soul from
the pit, his life from perishing by the sword. This
terror that God has allowed might deliver you from eternal death,
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from the pits of hell.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So many times when people are in misery and they
think they're about to die, so many times they make
sure that they're right with God, and sometimes it delivers
you from hell. Sometimes you got to understand that the
Lord God that we serve. I mean, there's so many
things I've said this before when I've been in other
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countries and had atheists debating me, is that I say,
you know this concept y'all have where you make God
out to be unreasonable because they always do. Oh, I
can't believe in God send people to hell and I
always come back and go. But that's not the God
I serve. The God that I serve is delivering us
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from hell. We're sending ourselves to help. He's actually delivering
us from the hell that we deserve. We're the ones
that keep wanting to send ourselves there. So many times
God says, what, I love you enough to scare you
to death so that you'll repent. I want to make
you so miserable that you finally repent, if that's what
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it takes. If you knew that your child was going
to die, and one way to keep your child from
dying was to make them uncomfortable, kick them out of
your house, make them suffer like the prodigal dad. Did
you ever wonder why the prodigal dad never begged his
son not to go? You know what he said, I'm
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gonna turn him over to it. And when did the
sun come to himself? When do you spend all of
daddy's money? And was eating little things out of the
pig slot? And what he say said I would be
better off being a servant in my daddy's house and
to be out here without him.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
And he went on back? When did he go on back?
When he became miserable?
Speaker 2 (38:07):
And so I mean, I'm not saying that we I
wish this on anybody, and I wish it wasn't this way.
But there's the way things maybe we wish they were,
and then there's the way things are, and human nature
is the way it is not the way I say
that about men's ministry. We got to stop trying to
implement strategy for the way we wish men were. The
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strategy better be designed for the way men actually are.
And so that's what we did, and we've seen some
great results from that. So nineteen things shift a little
bit now. Nineteen through twenty two, God speaks through suffering.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
God sends some.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, into his will through allowing them to suffer.
Nineteen man is also rebuked with pain on his bed
and with continual strife in his bones.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
That had to hit close to home. I mean this
is clear.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
I mean you talk about the chastening on a bed
of pain, constant just just hurt and distress in his bones.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
You got did y'all not hear Joe talking about that's
the way he was? You know what?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
You know what a lot who's saying sometimes that's what
he does. That's what he does. Uh, he speaks through suffering.
You're saying he's not speaking, You're you're suffering?
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Is him speaking?
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Twenty so that his life loathes bread and his appetite
the choicest food. You become so sick you don't even
want to eat, and it results in severe weight loss.
Sometimes you ever been so you ever been so sick?
Now for me, you got to imagine how sick that's
got to be. Where you don't eat, where you don't
even want to eat. You ever, you ever went going
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through one of those stomach viruses you think I'll never
eat again. I'll tell you this. If I ever have
food poisoning, I don't eat that again. You know, I mean,
even though it's okay, it means it doesn't always, But
I just say no. Let me tell you. Me and
mushroom gravy, we're over. And you know, mushroom gravy pretty good.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Not for me. I had a bad.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Experience of mushroom gravy. I got in some bad mushrooms.
So you know what, I don't eat it. If I
just see it, I'll just god, I'm good.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
So yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
We've been there, right, and a lot of times. What
do you lose when you see you lose your appetite?
You don't feel like you eat it.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Twenty one.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
His flesh is so wasted away that it cannot be seen.
And his bones that were not seen now they stick out.
Well you see that visual right, He's become so emaciated.
It appears he didn't even have flesh. It's like it's
just skin hanging on bone and bone sticking out.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And by the way he looks this way twenty.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Two, his soul draws near the pit in his life
to those who bring death, says, you can survived as disease.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
That's the first part.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Sometimes he gives you disease and you go near the pit.
But it says, but now let me tell you, when
you lose it every single time is when somebody murders you.
Those who bring death. Murder is going to result in
death every single time, thus its name. So it says,
but what about this, What about if he were to
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send an angel to rescue you. Sometimes he does that,
And look at twenty two through twenty five. If there
be for him, Now here's where we see the big foreshadowing. Okay,
this is where it gets really good, really new Covenant
stuff here here. However, what if they're for him was
an angel? Let's look at the next word. A mediator,
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one of the thousand to declare to man what is
right for him?
Speaker 1 (41:52):
What if a mediator?
Speaker 2 (41:54):
What if an advocate showed up to defend you to
the point that they they defended you so much that
they made you right with God. Hello, what a foreshadowing
to Jesus. And here's a lie who he seems to
understand we need something like that. Remember a few times
Job started thinking like that. Well, hopefully you know he's
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hearing this, going yeah, I had that same thought twenty
four And he's merciful to it, and he says, deliver
him from going down to the pit.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
Look at this next one.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I have found a ransom, guys, a gracious intercessor to
plead to your judge for mercy and being willing, willing
to pay your ransom. Do you are you glad that
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what they're they're they're they're they're they're thinking forward.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
About we got to experience think about.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Unlike like Job, unlike Alahu, we have the advocate. This
was already done for us, So we do have. I mean,
can you imagine that while you slept last night, that
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the son of God, sitting next to his father is
interceding for you. I paid his ransom. Can you believe
this guy? I paid his ransom. We're working it out.
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He's being sanctified. He's not there yet. He's still got
that sin of nature. Well, the anger of God burns.
But then our tryune God that features the Son and
the Holy Spirit. We paid this ransom, so the ransom
had to be paid. So don't ever get in your
that somehow the ransom was forgiven.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
The ransom was just paid by Jesus. And if you
don't have Jesus, it's going to be paid by youth.
Because God is holy and we are not. We need
this advocate, We need this inaccessor. We need this person
to pay the ransom and praise God in Jesus.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
We have it.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
He goes on in twenty five. Let his flesh become
flesh with youth. Let him return to the days of
his youthful vigor.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
What is he talking about here? I would put this
this way.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
If there were just some way that we could be
born again, we just could go back and have be
a baby again, start over, take this horrible mess here
in job, and be restored to almost like you were
just what regenerated born again. Wouldn't that be something? And
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you know what we get to say. We know about
it because we've lived it. Twenty six. Then man prays
to God and he accepts him. He sees his face
with a shout of joy, and he restores to man
his righteousness.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Repentance, repentance, job, repentance will work.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Maybe you pray to God to be restored. God, here's
your prayer of repentance, and he restores himself to you,
and he makes you righteous again. What gives Heaven much
to celebrate?
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Can you believe that? Ala? Who's talking about this?
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Long, long, long long before a baby was ever born
in a manger, before God took on human flesh, this
was already our cry.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
As a human race.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
We're crying out for Jesus. It's just so moving. Twenty seven.
He sings before men and says, I have sinned and
perverted what is right, and it was not repaid to me.
I've been forgiven. I deserve punishment and death. Justice was
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not carried out. I was shown mercy and grace and
a lot who says, oh, for such a day, now,
don't don't forget this. The beautiful thing here is I
have sinned and perverted what is right?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Now?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
What's that acknowledgment of my sin? That's repentance, you know,
if you got to be careful. There's this weird theology
out there right now that has stopped talking about repentance.
Let me tell you something. At Pentecost, when when Peter
gets it right for the first time and and the
apostles now.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
Have the power of the Holy Spirit. Uh.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
The the the answer to the question from the first
crowd that gathered when they cried out to now Holy
Spirit inspired Peter no longer going to deny Christ again.
They cry out to Peter, our hearts are cut by this, this,
this very spirit of God.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
What are we supposed to do? Repent? Guys?
Speaker 2 (47:29):
If that's the first thing that was ever said in
the New Covenant, then repentance is crucial. Remember that Jesus
said that before he was crucified, repent or perish. He's
he's he's setting up what's coming. And you remember the
Pharisees were like, well, now do these pagans do they
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need to repent more than we need to? And He's like, no,
everybody repent or perish and and and so repentance is key.
I deserve punishment, right, That's where we lose that gratitude
when somehow we forget what we deserved. I've heard Dave
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Ramsey said, over over again, how you doing better? Than
I deserve, and when we lose sight of what we
deserve and how guilty we are, I think the problem
I mean it was I know with me. I think
the problem that keeps so many people from repentance is
they're too arrogant and prideful to admit they're wrong. Be
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careful with people that can never admit they're wrong, because
you can get to where you're so enamored with you
always being right, and you're so resistant to ever even
considering that you might be wrong. You'll find yourself having
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that attitude toward God.
Speaker 1 (49:01):
What do I need to repent of? I mean it was.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
I'm certainly not making a political statement here, I'm making
a spiritual statement here. It broke my heart the first
time I heard President Trump be interviewed about repentance and
he said I don't have anything to be forgiven for.
And I thought, wow, I hope that's changed. That's a
lofty comment, But you know what that means if you
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think you're a pretty good old guy and you haven't
done anything really.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
That was grievous. You know.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I think some people think if they've never murdered anybody
in cold blood, that they're really a pretty good old guy,
but compared to God, we're actually not and we are wretched.
And you're going to see that play out. If you'll
stay with me till the end of job, you're going
to see that play out real clearly. Eighteen I mean
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twenty eight. He has redeemed my soul from going down
into the pit, and my life shall look upon the light.
I'm going to live, not die eternally because I've been redeemed,
I've been forgiven, and that has brought light into the
darkness of my sin state.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Praise God for that.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Much to celebrate now God's purposes and will close behold.
God does all these things twice three times with a man.
These things he means, the dreams, the visions, the chastening,
the chasening, the suffering. He does this over and over again.
It's a cycle job. It's been going on since the fall,
and God just continues to do these things until he
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gets the result thirty to bring back his soul from
the pit, that he might be lighted with the light
of life. He's doing this because he's trying to deliver him.
Believe it or not, Remember we've talked about this before
in Bible.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Studies past.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
But let's ask ourselves a really, really hard question. Can
you ever get to the point that you see the
suffering in your life is gracious, merciful, a gift from
God as opposed to a punishment from God?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
A gift from God.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
Now, have there been things that I brought on my life,
because that are clearly punishment and result of my sin,
of course, but there's many times that calamity has entered
my life for my own.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
Good as a gift. It was merciful.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
It was gracious because it got me to a place
that I couldn't get any other way. Can you can
you ever get that mindset that's a gift from God,
It's a blessing. It's gracious, it's merciful. The next wrapping
it up is a challenge to Job thirty one through
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thirty three. Pay attention, O Job, listen to me, be
silent and I will speak. Sounds like it's possible maybe
that he had to demand Job's attention, and maybe Job
was drifting. I don't know. I certainly have been there.
I think if I was in the state that job
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was in, I might drift off. You might have to go, hey,
get back, look back, up here at me. Of course
that's easy for me because my entire life, anytime someone
was speaking to me, they had to keep getting my attention.
You know, I didn't do well in the lecture format,
so I apologized. Those of you that are in one
right now, I remember thinking better. I learned more if
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you put me in a room that had no windows.
Thirty two. If you have any words, answer me, speak
for I desire to justify you, he says.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Look, I'm here to justify you.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
Is there anything that I'm saying that you would like
to say?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
So speak up, speak for yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
And if you don't have anything to say, maybe you
just receive what I said. Why don't you just repent?
Speaker 1 (53:13):
If there's something there, repent. If there's something else to say,
then say it. Do one or the other. Thirty three.
If not.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Listen to me, be silent, and I will teach you wisdom.
So if this is the case, there's an assumption here
that the other three have failed to teach job wisdom. Right,
Why does a lie who have to teach you wisdom?
I guess that hadn't been told yet. You couldn't come
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to any other conclusion, right, I mean, if my job
was to today, which it is, to teach you the
Bible and teach you. If the next person came up
and sat down and said, now, anybody want me to
teach you?
Speaker 1 (54:05):
Chapter twenty thirty three of job, what would I have
to assume that guy? I didn't think I did it.
I didn't cover it. You know.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
I will tell you that sometimes I have spoke places
and an MC or a pastor has gotten up after
me and apparently preached a second sermon. And sometimes I've
been like, I guess I didn't cover it. I guess
I didn't have that now. So so anyway, so he
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now will take on the task of apparently teaching something
he thinks hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Taught yet, wisdom. So let's let's talk about this.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
And we'll end. What position would we be in? Are
we people that can teach wisdom? Have we learned from God?
Are we the guys that just continue to have to
be taught wisdom? Are you learning the things that God
is teaching? Are you applying the things that God is teaching?
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Or do you just have to keep being taught it
over and over and over again. I think about the
writer of Hebrews or as my wife calls him Paul
when he says, I can't believe that I keep having
to go over these basic one hundred level things some
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of y'all should be teaching by now, but I keep
having to go back and teach you the basic oracles
of God. And I don't sense that from y'all at all.
I'm just throwing that out there as a challenge for
us today. Do we still have to be taught these things?
Can we teach these things? And are we continuing? I mean,
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are we moving on, meaning learning new things now as
opposed to continue to have to be taught the same
old stuff over and over again. Stick with me, because
apparently young Eliho says he's gonna teach us all wisdom
and we'll continue.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
That next week.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Lord Willing, let's pray, Lord, thank you, thank you for
the message today. Seeing Jesus in this presentation from this
young man is amazing. I'm so thankful that we have
all the things.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
That he's yearning for.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Thank you, Lord, thank you that we do have the
advocate Jesus. Are you out there, has Jesus interceded for you?
Have you repented and left faith in yourself and place
faith your faith in that intercessor that we do have,
that advocate, that mediator who says, if you repent and
confess me as your lord, I'll go to the Father
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and I'll present you as blameless.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
I'll present you as.
Speaker 2 (56:59):
Full righteous, not partial, fully righteous because of the I
paid the price. I paid the ransom. I'm here to
take you before my Father and presents you as righteous.
Maybe you're out there in today's your day, you said,
you know what I want, that advocate. I want that mediator,
(57:21):
I want that intercessor, And you're just saying today, Jesus
forgive me. I leave faith in myself and I place
my faith in you. Thank you for paying the price
that I should have paid, and I repent of my sin,
and I take the gift of your redemption. And I
(57:41):
want to be freed by the ransom that you paid
for me. Scripture tells us the sincerity of your heart,
the sincerity of your repentance, the commitment of you leaving
faith in yourself and placing your faith in Jesus. You
placing yourself under his lordship, confessing it to the world
(58:01):
that you will be saved by the power of Jesus
and by the power of his blood and if we
can help you in any way, you can email me
Rick at Burgessmistries dot com.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
I'd love to walk. We did love to help you
and your holy name Jesus, we pray Amen. Thank you
very much
Host
Rick Burgess
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