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Welcome into the Wednesday Bible Study. We are in the
Book of Job. My name is Rick Burgess. How are
you If you want to join us and find out
where we are, We're going to actually be in Job
thirty five today. It's not as long as some of
the others, but so we may may not be phill
up the entire hour this week, but we might because
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there's a lot to discuss even in these few verses.
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Themanchurch dot com as well. So let's open up in
a word of prayer, and like I say, we will
be in a Job chapter thirty five today. Lord, thank
you for the opportunity to unpack your Holy Word. We
are so great for for access to your Holy Word.
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I pray Lord that the power of the Holy Spirit
be with us and help us discern all that you
are teaching through this incredible account of Job and the
response of his friends, and ultimately, Lord, we get closer
to the response from you yourself and your Holy Name.
We pray Amen. So we are getting closer. We are
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getting closer to that. But Ali who still has a
lot to say and is continuing to talk as we
get to chapter thirty five. I know some of you
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there's gonna be more quotations from Job that a lit
who is going to take on. He's almost going to say,
here's your protest Job, and I'll tell you what my
answer to that is. And then it's going to close
with some more quotations from Job. But in the middle
when we get there a lot who's going to talk
about something that is interesting, and you're going to see
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these starting to sound, sadly a little more about like
the original Three Friends than maybe a new fresh voice.
There's certain things he's doing that are fresh, but he's
starting to drift into that theology that God is tearing
apart is one of the things. If you want to
wonder what the book of Job is about is taking
theology that was incorrect and correcting it about who God
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is and why bad things happen to people. So so
anyway you're going to see Ali who's say, I'll tell
you why ain't not getting any response because God does
not respond to those that have impure motives. So so
we'll we'll we'll unpack that a little bit today as
well and kind of think about, you know, what he's
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saying that's true and things he's saying that we would go,
I think you're going to learn that that's not true.
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So verse one is nothing but letting you know. Now.
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One of the things about verse one in chapter thirty
five that I do want to I want to land
on for a minute is and Alli who answered answered what? Who?
I guess most people are saying, since we have no
documentation of Job responding to every we what we have
designed as chapters, they weren't chapters in it was just
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an ongoing monologue that is just simply stating he's continuing
to answer as opposed to and then he answered something
that Job or someone else said, because we don't we
don't have any documentation of that. So I would almost
if I were you I would almost look at this
as he has been answering and waiting for Job to respond.
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Job doesn't, so he continues to answer, it's probably a
better way to read that, so because we don't see
what he's answering other than what he's been answering all along.
So then he goes into verse two and a lot
who says this, do you think this to be just?
Do you say it is my right before God?
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So you sure? Job? Almost?
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I just want to be sure that I have this right.
This is a lot who's saying this. Are you sure
that God's punishing you for nothing? That's what you're trying
to say, So you have no issue, You're just, you're
righteous before God, and you are going to be cleared
of any wrongdoing. I just want to be sure that
I understand everything that you're saying. God is punishing you.
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We have no ideal why. You don't have any ideal why,
because you're just and you're righteous, and if we'll just
wait long enough, God's.
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Gonna clear you of this, which is exactly what.
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Job has been saying. So, so you know you ever
do that? Have I got this right? I just want
to be sure I've got this right. Is this what
you're saying, we know the rhetorical question and answer is yes. Uh.
And then verse three that you ask what advantage have I?
How am I better off than if I had sinned?
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And Job did get a little into we know this.
Remember going through this, he's had some poor, poor, pitiful
me moments and he's done the you know.
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It doesn't really matter what you do.
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Apparently God, God could abandoned you even if you do
and everything right, and God could be mean to you,
and God could be unfair, and and I don't know
what good it is that I've lived this righteous life
because here I am still in trouble anyway. So a
lot who's taking that on God does not reward right
or punished wrong. Is that what you're saying? There is
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really no point in being good?
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Is that? Now?
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The point that a LII who is really upset about
there's two things here he's getting angry about. One of
them is that he's saying, Job, you're taking member his
three friends saying this, you're taking the theology that we've
all accepted, and now you're the one that's gonna tell
us remember this. He got this from his other three
friends you're the one that's gonna tell us our theology
is bad. You're telling us it really doesn't matter how
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you live, that you could end up being punished anyway.
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Uh, And it's not.
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He punishes the wicked and he rewards the righteous. Is
that what you're saying. And you're saying there's really no
point into being good because God's just gonna mistreat you
or punish you or let you suffer.
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Anyway, which we know.
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Yeah, that that's kind of what Job has has been
pointing out. So, now, Ali, who is doing really almost
like a lawyer or really even if you've been in
any kind of debate before.
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So these first three verses.
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Really two and three because one's just him continuing he's
doing before he goes into his Now, let me respond,
and this probably is a good practice if you don't
do this, because I don't know if you've ever been
in a debate or back and forth before and you
didn't establish Now, let me be sure I got everything
right before I respond to you.
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Is this what you think? Is this going to be
your stand?
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So you're telling me that you are just you're telling
me that you're righteous. You're telling me that your name's
going to be cleared. And then you're also telling me
that there's no advantage into being good.
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Because you could just suffer anyway.
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I don't want to be sure I got that right,
which Job doesn't answer, but we know yeah, he pretty
much has that right. So now a lot who is
going to attempt in verse four all the way through fifteen,
he's going to attempt to answer Job's arguments. So he's
made this is the argument Job's making. Now I will
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answer that. And he even tells us that look at
verse four a verse four A what does he say,
I will answer you and your friends with you? Well,
he's also apparently he said, I need everybody to listen
to this, all four of you, Job plus three or
anybody else who would be standing around. We still are
not quite sure how many people are hearing all this,
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but we know that those four are okay, and Alia,
who is gonna by him saying I will answer you.
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And your friends, we can take from that that Alia who.
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Is saying what you're all wrong? You three have been wrong.
But let me tell you something, Job, You're not You're
not right either. I'm gonna I'm gonna take all this
and I'm gonna clear it up for everybody. You four
are about to be set straight. And that's that's kind
of how he set it up. So then we go
to five. He starts with doing something that scripture does.
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Tell us to do. Look at creation.
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Okay, look at the heavy and see and behold the
clouds which are higher than you. I want you to
just take a look. I want you to just look
for yourself and and and picture right now, let's just
do what he said to do. Picture us all looking
towards the sky. And he's really saying to the three
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and to job you're telling me. With that kind of
distance between us and God, he sees all this. God's
paying attention to look at that, the grandness of all this. Uh,
And I want you to kind of get in your
mind that. And let's all agree, look for yourself. God
is high above the earth, and by all accounts what
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we can see right now, he's invisible. I don't see it.
Do you see him? It looks pretty vast up there. Okay,
So he's he's establishing that. Then he says, setting up six,
if you have sinned, what do you accomplish against him?
What difference does it make? Job to God, whether you're
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good or bad, because I got news for you. You
can decide to sin or you can decide to be good.
It doesn't change anything about God. And by the way,
he's right about that. Now he's wrong by trying to
go far enough to say that that maybe God doesn't
care or isn't aware. Now he is making a point.
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Job you're telling me. With everything that God has going
and everything God is, he's this, He's he's caught.
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Up and everything's going on with job. Well, we know that.
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That's one of the mysteries of what we know about
God is that he would care what each individual in
this room, not just us as a group. You know,
it'd be shocking if he cared about the group. But
he not only cares about the group. He cares about
each individual person in here. But he's not stopping there.
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He cares about every individual that's out there watching and
or listening to this. He knows the intricate details of
your life. How I have no idea. I can't comprehend that.
That's bigger than my mind. That's one of those I
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don't know. I just know the scripture says that's true,
and that's that saving faith. I believe it, okay, but
he but a lot of who He's not sold on that.
I'm not sure sure sure God's going to come down
here and clear you job. I don't know that he's
all that concerned about what you've done. I'm not sure
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I buy that. So then he goes to verse seven.
Now he is right on what we do doesn't change God.
Now he's right about that. God doesn't change if we
decide we don't want to follow him, and we decide
we want to reject him. Nothing about him which change.
You know, even when we come to redemption, that didn't
make God more holy. It didn't make you more good
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that he didn't go. Let me tell you, I was
a little incomplete till Rick was redeemed. Now I'm really something.
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Now.
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We don't change anything about the greatness of God. He's
gonna be great whether we submit to him or reject him,
He's still gonna be great. Okay, So that part he's
right on. But he's going further. You need to understand.
With the language here, he's almost presenting. I don't want
to use the word aloof, but I don't think God
cares about every little thing that's going on with every
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little person. I think you're a little full of yourself
to think that there is some of.
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That going on.
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So then we get to six, I mean seven, So
if you're righteous, what do you give to him? Or
what does he receive from your hands? So you see
in six, what difference does it make to God whether
you're good or bad? If you sin, what do you
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accomplish against him? And if your transgressions are multiplied, what
do you do to him? But then he turns it
around so your sin doesn't affect him? And then in
seven he says, your righteousness really doesn't bring anything to
the table either. What what are you really gonna gonna
gonna bring to him? What do you expect to receive
from the hand of God because you've been good? How
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can you sin and against him really bother him? And
how can you being good really help him? And uh,
because he's God?
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Uh?
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What what you do may affect you and it may
affect those around you, but do you think you have
any impact on God? So, so, Joe, what he's saying is,
I'd just like to ask you what do you bring
to God's table?
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What do you bring it to the table? What what
could you possibly have or.
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Be that you would approach God and he be willing
to hear your case.
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I think you're a little full of yourself.
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So then he goes to the point where I now
would get into a little bit of describing God incorrectly.
I want to make sure you understand that describing God
is a little.
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More aloof here.
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He's detached, he's not that involved in the things that's
going on with human beings. God only responds. Now this
is be careful with this because no, Rick, don't get
emails on this. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say
it how it is, okay, because I really don't want
to deal with those emails. And and there's there's certain
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groups out there they cannot wait for me to say something. Uh,
and they're standing by and ready. Okay, so uh, I'm
not gonna give them that today. I'm pretty busy. Here's
what Eli who is saying, God only responds to his
most devout, not to the shallow, not to those that
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ignore them when times are good. But then all of
a sudden, when you're in trouble, suddenly you well your
crying out for God. Now, now, Ali, who doesn't have
Job right. If even the little things we heard about
Job early, it seemed to me that Job was pretty
devout and on a daily basis, he was devoted to God.
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He hasn't been aloof and not cared about God when
times were good. He seemed to serve God and worship
God and pray to God when things were good. So,
so what he's going to say here is God has
no use for people who don't are not devoted to
Him every day, and then you come running to him
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because things are bad, He's not going to listen to you.
In verse nine, because of the multitude of oppressions, people
cry out and they call for help because of the
arm of the mighty. In general, this is how people act.
Job who oppress others. Powerful people put a load on
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the people, and then when they get in trouble, suddenly
they come back to God like they hadn't been doing this. Again,
there's been no example that Job, though he is or
was very wealthy, that he ever used that. Matter of fact,
Job when he was defending himself, said I never used
my wealth for bad I never used my position in
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the community to put oppression on anybody. I didn't oppress
the poor where I didn't oppress people, I didn't keep
it all for myself.
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I took care of my people. I took care of people.
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I was a friend to everyone, regardless of their standing
in society. But a lie who is not sure he
believes that verse going in now to verse nine, I
mean verse ten, But none says where is God my maker?
Who gives songs in the night? They don't call God maker,
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They're just calling him in times of trouble. He's true
devoted sing songs in times of trouble. They have a
better attitude than you, Job. So I'm watching you. You
know where's God my maker? You know those who who
are are just calling him on times of trouble. You
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don't hear them giving him that kind of praise on
an everyday basis.
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Now, now I will tell.
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You the ones that are with him when when they're
in trouble, they don't cry out woe is me?
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Has God abandoned me?
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They still sing songs of praise to him.
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And I didn't see that in you.
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Well, now, a LII who right now is saying some
things that are that we need to we need to
kind of take note of.
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Now, is Job guilty? Of this he isn't.
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However, the point that a lie who is making is
one that we've been talking about in here for a decade.
And what is that when you're in times of trouble,
that's when people decide whether you truly are devoted to
God or not. And you're sponsor, Job is not sending
a very good message. I would agree with that that
the early on that we did. Early on, Job did
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things that were supernatural in response to his difficulty. But
he's become a little more whiny as time has gone on.
And why that's important is it's now affecting how a
lie who sees him and his relationship with God. He's
not correct about it, but now Job has acted in
such a way, not at the beginning. At the beginning,
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that's an incredible message. How Job has responded to this.
I mean, he did the unexpected, but now he's kind
of becoming like everybody else who struggles, and a lie
who is taking issue with that behavior. And he is saying,
if you have never been devoted to him in your
everyday life and you go crying to him in times
of trouble, he doesn't hear you. By the way, that's
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not true either a lot of times, God's never heard
from us until times of trouble. In times of trouble
caused us to actually cry out for him, and we
actually ended up getting redeemed. So a lie who is
off on what he's saying right now, not only about
Job but also about God. Now he is right that
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the way we act in times of trouble send a message.
We've heard that throughout scripture, and really see it in
One Peter chapter one, verse six and seven, that we
have referenced quite often. And if you weren't here when
we reference that, jot that down One Peter Chapter one,
verses six and seven and eleven. Who teaches us more
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than the beast of the earth and makes us wiser
than the birds of heaven? Well, this is it, He's saying, Look,
are we not smarter than animals? Has God not taught
us more than he's taught the beast of the field?
And impressive they are? I mean we are. We're more
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than animals, were wiser than birds. And God will will
interrogate Job about this very thing. I love when we
start seeing foreshadows to Job thirty eight and then verse
thirty nine through thirty nine twenty seven when God gives
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his resume, Ali, who's kind of doing the same thing.
He's using nature in creation to show how incredible God is.
And if you've never we'll study it in coming weeks.
But if you've never heard God's resume, he gives job.
He spends quite a bit of time showing all the
things he made and asking Job if he could do it.
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And so Eliaho is saying, look, you think the fact
that he made animals and he made birds, and he
did all this stuff, You don't think that he's given
more to human beings and made us wiser than the animals. However,
verse twelve, there they cry out, but he does us
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not answer because of the pride of evil men. Now
this is good theology here. Unless unless human beings, no
matter how intelligent he made us, how wonderful he made us,
unless we cry for repentance, God does not listen. The
wicked and arrogant get no answers because they are not heard.
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And he's saying, I do agree that your friends have
said both of these things, and I agree with them
on that point. Well, there again there's some partial truth here.
We do know that until one repents, which I get
emailed about this. But I don't know what to tell
you other than you know. I mean, if you can
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come and show me that you know. For I'll just
think of one off the top of my head. I
think back to Genesis six is a big one. When
God killed everybody excepts a scept eight people. That's a
big one, Okay, that when people don't repent God, God's
wrath does come on them. We know that if you
don't repent. Now we know that Jesus said, repent or perish.
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We know that Peter said at Pentecost when everybody cried out,
what are we supposed to do?
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We're under conviction? Would it Peter say, repent? You turn
a one eighty.
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And the Psalmist, as I have said before, this is
where this is where a lie who is making a point.
And the Psalmist says in Psalm five, for you are
not a god who delights in wickedness. Evil may not
dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes.
You hate all evil doers, You destroy those who speak lies.
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The Lord abhors the blood thirsty and a deceitful man. Okay,
I mean, yet, so you do need to repeent. But
the point that allaih who is missing is that God
is listening to Job, because God is the one who
has set this whole thing up and has allowed Satan
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to come in and torture Job to test the genuineness
of his faith and to teach Job something that he's
going to teach him. And when we hear God's interaction
with Job, and Alliah, who can't imagine in his mind
that God would do this to someone who hasn't already repented,
but we know that's true. Now, Allia who doesn't he
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doesn't have the New Covenant, ali who doesn't have the
entire canonized word of God. He doesn't. We can think
of example after example. I mean of the apostle Paul
and the suffering he went through. My goodness, all of
the apostles.
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I mean that we know.
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They went through difficulty even after they repented. But he
doesn't have that reference point. He is still saying people
who repent shouldn't be in this kind of bond. But
that is actually incorrect. Suffering is in difficulty is used
for all kinds of things by God, even with those
that are already redeemed. And again, if you've been in
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here we have driven that point home. I wouldn't lie
to you. Spent time with us, he would already know
verse thirteen. Surely God does not hear an empty cry,
nor does the Almighty regard it. God pays no attention
to the cries of the unrepented. He regards that of
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zero value. Well, he's right about that. It's just not
the situation that job is in, because you know, you
take this and go to Romans ten, nine and ten,
and you know this is one of those things that
you know, I just can't get through these Bible studies
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with you all without getting myself in trouble. And it's
like that, you know what, I guess, if I'm gonna
be a follower of Jesus and expect not to ever
have to get any debates, I'm kind of naive, aren't
a But a lot of you know this, and and
this is one of those things. A lie who's very
very simple with what he's saying, and there's truth in
what he's saying, but he's missing a key element. And
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I would I would take this point when he's talking about, well,
if you're not truly repented, God doesn't hear it, and
he doesn't redeem it that that is true. But sometimes
there's an assumption like that, like we can know that,
like he can know whether Job's repentance is sincere or not.
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He doesn't know that God does. Right.
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This is the same thing which has become so mad
uh in the Western Church. And I hear it, and
I love when people say it, like they're the first
ones that's ever come up with it. You're not saved
by some prayer, and anybody that tells you you've been
say you can get saved by prayer and the sinner
prayers not in the Bible, and you know, and they
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start all this, and I always have I always enjoy
this because if you ever want to throw people off
of do that, ask them how you redeemed?
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Okay, so how are you redeemed by the sincerity of
your heart and repentance?
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Really, you talk about kind of like Romans ten, nine
and ten, what sounds an awful lot like what we
talk about at times of response. So you're saying that
we should repent, which Peter said in the Bible. You're
saying that we should believe in our hearts right, that
we should have a saving faith. Right, you're talking about
Paul said, like in Romans ten nine and ten, and
you say that we need to confess Jesus's Lord, right,
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like it says in Romans ten nine and ten. Right,
Because with the heart one believes and it's justified, and
with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
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Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So you're really saying the thing that we call people
to a time of response. Every bit of it's in
the Bible. It's not called the sinner's prayer. I'll give
you that, but it's in the Bible. And we know
that if I read Romans ten ninety ten, that doesn't
save me, and if I repeat it, it doesn't save me.
We know if I say I need to repent, but
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I don't repent, then it doesn't save me. So yeah,
it's true that words don't save us. But it's not
true that the concepts of what we're telling people how
to be justified or not in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's not true. You're going too far with it.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You're taking and you're throwing out this prayer as if
we think that's what redeems people. No one's ever thought
that what we're saying is, here's what Scripture says one
must do to be redeemed that because I have no
way of knowing the sincerity of someone's heart, but I'm
not going to deny them the opportunity to respond. The
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Gospel demands a response. God redeems people.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm told to give them a chance to respond to Him,
not to me. So what we're doing because we want
to be the person that says a sinner's prayer didn't
save anybody. We want to take the time response and
do away with it completely. And that's not in scripture.
Peter didn't do away with it. He gave him a response.
You talking about the first time he ever got it right. Well,
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I would think that'd be a good example. We even
know how many people responded. There was a number, They
even counted them. I mean, so should we go to
Peter and say God didn't care about them numbers?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Why did y'all grab them numbers?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I guess I guess he thought that's what he should do,
because that's what he did. We have the number. So
I'm not going to apologize for me coming back from
a place where I offered a response. Go and I'll
always add the Billy Sunday, Rick, how did he go? Well,
we sat down and we talked to some guys. There
was about seventeen of them. They said that they wanted
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to come forward and they wanted to repent. I don't
know whether they did or they didn't. They said that
they wanted to confess to Jesus Christ as their lord
and leave their own authority. They said they left faith
in themselves and put their faith in Christ.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Do you think they really did? I don't know. Well,
why did you count them? Because Peter did.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't know if all those people that responded that
day turned out to be sincere. They might have just
been scared.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know. But the numbers there so Rick, how
many men came forward, I know seventeen came forward. How
many were relegit God only knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So did seventeen people get redeemed tonight? I don't know.
We'll see. I'll know by whether their life changes or not.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But I'm not going to sit there and stop having
a time of response because somebody thinks they become sanctimonious
about the sinner's prayer and try to tell me it's
not in the Bible. The concepts are in the Bible
one percent. Don't let nobody ever tell you that most
of the time. Can I just tell you this here
it is, here I go. We're going all in. Now,
I'm going all in, and if you're upset with me,
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you email me today Speedy at the Rickburgers Show dot com.
So I'm going all in. Some of this is because
we have some people. Don't use that word Rick, that's
not the right word to use. We have some people
that have lost confidence in the gospel. There it is,
I'll say it that way. That that's the right way
to say it. They've lost confidence in the Gospel and
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they'd rather not have a time of response because they're
too proud to stand.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
There and nobody respond. So this is just their way out.
That's how I see it, because it's certainly in the Bible. Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So so anyway, I saw a spattering of amen's, but
not a lot of them. Y'all don't want to be
It's like people saying, I ain't going with him on
this one. I'm not taking that one, and that's right.
I do have Danny Wood's email if anybody needs it.
But any now, you don't have to do that anymore, dude. Okay,
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So anyway, So Alia, who is saying something that is true.
The problem he has that God doesn't hear the unrepentant.
He's right about that, But Alia, who doesn't know who
has really repented or not. None of us know that
God does, and he's right about that. But it's not
our call to say it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Now. We can see somebody five years from that.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Day and go, well, they really went the other way,
and we can make a ruling on the fruit doesn't
look real good. But again, at the end of it all,
only God knows if someone was truly repented they're not,
and only God knows if they had a saving faith.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
They're not. We don't. But we are supposed to go in.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
All from that opportunity because that's exactly what the apostles
did once they got the Holy Spirit and they start
doing what Jesus told them to do.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
That's what they did.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So then we get into thirteen. Surely God does not
hear an empty cry, nor does the Almighty regard at
fourteen how much less when you say that you do
not see him, that the case is before him and.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You're waiting on him. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Are you Job, Are you saying that you have have
you you don't see him? You're saying you have stated
your case before him, and do we have this right? Job,
You're waiting on God to respond to you.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You expect God.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
To show up and and and have a public form
with you. Yeah, and it's gonna happen. Now a lie
who cannot believe that he thinks this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You think God You're so Are you sitting here saying
I'm done with I have nothing else to say. I'm
waiting on God now. And you think God's gonna respond
to that? How about he does? Well, I would take
a note of that. I don't know that God's ever
gonna come down to any of us and give his resume.
One of the reasons why he didn't have to give
us his resume anymore because he already has. See before
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he talked to Job, he'd not done that before.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We have it. We have what he said to Job,
so there's no need for him to have to repeat it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Uh. And his resume is all through the Holy Word
of God.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So if you ever want to say, well, God has
never visited in me. Oh, yes he has.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You may not have have read it, but he's visited
with you. You realize how incredible it is that we
have this, you know, and and I know a lot
of you say, but what about the Book of Enich.
I couldn't care less about the Book of Enick. Okay,
I've made that clear this week. Please start with the
Book of Enich.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Please.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
This is the new thing that young people a getting
obsessed with. It's not scripture. And know in the Bible
when this says, well they referred to Enich. That yeah,
they referred to the person Enich, not the book of Innich.
The Book of Inenich wasn't even written by Enik. They've
already proven that not to be possible. Okay, So enough
with this kind of stuff. We have all we need
right here. All this stuff is just distraction. But if
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you want God's resume, read his resume in his Holy Word.
Now does God interact with us? You better believe he does.
And I know all of you who have been redeemed
have experienced that, and it's a wonderful feeling. And he says,
I'll in the New Covenant, he said, I'll never leave
you if you're with me. My presence is always with you,
which sometimes is comforting and sometimes it's convicted, but I
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hope it's more comforting than convicting. So now we go
to fifteen. And now, because his anger does not punish
and he does not take much note of transgression, so
you're saying that he just turned a blind eye. It's
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like he doesn't know. And Job did say that in
chapter nine, verse twenty four. He also said it in
chapter twenty one, verse seventeen. So you told us also
what we call chapter twelve, verse six, and I already
mentioned twenty one to seventeen. You're trying to convince us
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that we're supposed to look around and we see examples
that God's overlooking wickedness. That's one of the things you said, Joe,
and Joe was he said, well, I mean, as far
as this theology that he punishes the wicked and he
rewards the righteous, I see some pretty wicked people that
right now God's not punishing them at all, and a
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lot who's taking that as soon. So you just think
he overlooks it because he's not doing anything. Well, I
don't know what to think about it. I'm just telling
you that this I see some wicked people doing pretty good,
and we could say that even in our lives now, right,
But that doesn't mean that God doesn't care about it,
or that he doesn't know it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He's not overlooking it. They're just.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Us in this falling creation and the redemption plan that
God's working out. The day is coming when all who
have not repented and all who oppose him. The wickedness
is not being overlooked. It just hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Dealt with yet, but it will be dealt with.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Some of it gets dealt with in the plan he's
working out now, but ultimately it all gets dealt with.
And and so Eli who is is taking it too far?
That Joe suggesting that God doesn't care about wickedness, That's
not what he's saying. He said, I'm not sure that
this theology we have is right, because I'm telling you
I'm sitting here, I'm not I'm not unrepentant, and I'm
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not practicing sin. I'm blameless. I'm not, I'm not, I'm
not perfect, but I'm I'm are sinless, but i am blameless.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Uh And and I don't know why this has happened
to me.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And I've seen wicked people that God's not doing what
he's doing to me to them, true, Ali who wants
to say, I just want to be sure I have
that right. Well, to wrap up this part of his speech,
he's now going to insult Job, and sadly sounds a
lot like the other three sixteen. Job opens his mouth
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in empty talk. He multiplies words without knowledge. Sadly, this
sounds a lot like the other friends and their accusations.
In chapter eight verse two, Chapter eleven, verse three, Chapter fifteen,
verse two, Chapter eighteen, verse two, Job said that those
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accusations that they made against him was meaningless talk. It
was empty talk. He said that in twenty seven to twelve,
Ali who sadly is now taking Job's very phrase and
he's turning it on him. You say that everybody else
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bibbles on and everybody else has empty talk. I'm here
to tell you what you've been rambling on about its
empty talk. I think you're talking like you have all
this knowledge. It doesn't sound like you've got knowledge at all.
That had to be hard to hear. I can't imagine.
I don't know if you've ever been in that situation
or people just keep running you down. I mean they
just keep on and they keep piling on. And you know, nowadays,
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with the wonderful platform of social media and public forums,
people from anywhere can pile on, you can. I can
tell you that there have been times that I have
walked into my home and I've just told my wife,
please don't read it, do not do not go on Facebook,
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do not go to this, don't do not read it,
because you know, unlike the days when it was hard
enough for job or somebody to sit there, and people
actually face you and one after another continue to run
you down. That's bad, but at least you have an
opportunity to respond. I think he's so worre down now
he's not responding anymore. Because you know, we used to
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have this phrase. It was very deep and highly educated
in Calhoun County, Alabama, where if you reach the point
where you were done and you just had, you weren't
gonna argue anymore, and you say, that's just gonna have.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
To be with you.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I don't know what that where we came up with that,
but everybody in Calhoun County knew what that meant. That
that meant, well, then you're just gonna have to feel
that way. I mean you're just gonna that's just gonna
have to be with you, because I'm not gonna. I'm
done with this discussion. But now people that you don't
even know who they are and never identify themselves can
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start some sort of tearing down of you, and everybody
start jumping in and it can go on and own
and own, and I'm just going to tell you what, especially,
watch out if you have children and grandchildren, really keep
an eye on them, because you can protect them physically
all you want to and keep them out of bad
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groups and bad, bad surroundings. But they go flipping on
that social media and put a picture of themselves up
or something, something innocent they want to share with their friends,
and before they know it, I mean, people are commenting
on their hair and commenting on their weight and commenting
on whatever, and they just and these cowards just are
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so vicious because they have no accountability, and it can
weigh on people. It really can. I don't care how
strong you think you are. It's a hard thing. I
consider myself pretty thick skinned. But it gets to you,
especially when it starts just compounding over and over and
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before you know it, this false narrative about you just
takes off and starts running and you can't get it back.
And you know, I think if we could get them
to understand, like I just went through something like.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That this year, that it's not near as real as
it seems, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I mean, sometimes something feels like it's a thousand people
and it's really like ten, you know, but but it
feels so big when ten people are on you, you know,
or something like that. And so just watch after them.
Because social media can do some great things. It can
even help spread the gospel and promote things that we're
doing and get people there. But boy, just like everything else,
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Satan has a plan with it too, and it can
be a weapon of destruction, it really really can. So
be aware of what your kids and your grandkids are
watching and what's in front of them. And those of
us who adults, we're just gonna have to be careful
what we allow ourselves to be involved in.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I can tell you some of the things.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
The best thing you can do because that it offers
this And if Joe could do this right now, he would,
but he can't because it's not available. It's just block them,
just be done with them, No more interaction with you can't.
You can't interact with me, and I'm not going to
interact with you. I'm done, I'm blocking you.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You're out. You can do that.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Clean that stuff out of here, because you're never going
to going to convince them of anything other because if
someone won't sit down and talk to you, you'll never
get your narrative out and then hear their narrative because
these these platforms are not designed for conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
They're designed for one way, and and and and of
course the anonymative, the anonymous part of it is awful.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Uh So then finally Job has said nothing that we
can document since a LII who's starts speaking. Uh. Do
you realize that Ali, who has already cranked out one
hundred verses for us, he's rolling Uh, and we've heard
nothing from Job. Sadly a LII who is starting to
show himself to be of the same mold of the
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other three.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Now, he did not charge Job with any social crimes
like the others did, but he is saying that Job's
attitude and the way that he's watched him act is
sent and he's going as far as to say, not
only is the way you've been acting sinful. I think
it's the reason why you're being punished because we see
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your your heart so again, I think you got to
take away there. It does matter how we respond. And
even though Job apparently is not sinning in what he's doing,
he he is not giving the best presentation right now.
Of it's almost like, you know, Sherry and I were
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talking about this, and I remember.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Exactly what.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I'd heard with the difference between a sprint and a marathon.
You know, for a sprinter, and my wife was a sprinter,
the blocks are everything. I mean, how you come out
of the blocks. I mean, you can lose out of
the blocks because you didn't come out.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Of the blocks right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Every little millisecond of advantage matters. But in a marathon,
the really how you start is meaningless. I mean I
remember talking to the person about the marathon and they
were so far back. People were still drinking coffee and
it had already started, you know, and they were so
back on the I don't know if it was the
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New York Marathon or the Boston it was one of those,
and they said they were so far back they literally
were still sitting in a coffee shop and it had started,
and they finished off their coffee and said, okay, what's
time for us.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To join in?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And uh, and so that's how little the start matters
on a marathon. And I think what you found here
is is that job. When his suffering started, he was
he had a sprinter's attitude.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Gonna be quick. He did everything right in the beginning.
But as this thing is drug on and most of
the commentators think maybe four months this is drug on,
he began understandably, don't don't hear me acting like that,
this is a reasonable. My goodness, can you imagine the
kind of misery he's in And how long four months
must feel. Anybody ever been sick for a long period
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of time. It feels even longer than it actually is,
because every minute and every you know, and if you're
not asleep, I mean those seconds dragged by. And so
he is. He's in that mode. But I think what
happens here is you know that when he went after
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his suffering, Because I was talking to Sherry about this
because she does run some distances now and I know
other people in here that do as well, and she said,
one of the things that people make the mistake on
and this happened to me. And I'm comparing this to
life is I actually I know this may shock you.
I was filled events in track. I was not one
of the runners, so I was shot put.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
You know this guy.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
And so one time, this was junior high. This was
not a major ordeal. Wouldn't happen on a high school
team or a college team or something. But anyway, and
certainly not the Olympics. Didn't make it to the Olympics.
But we just had the you know, the the you know,
who gets the junior high track team. I mean it's
it's one of three or four jobs this guy's doing,
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you know, at the school. Nobody wants to be the
junior high track team coach. I mean he's already coaching basketball.
He's coaching you know, he does something for the football team.
And oh, by the way, we need you to you know,
you're not involved in baseball.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
So you've got junior high track.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And so we get down one day we're I feel
who we're competing against and it might even be in
the county deal and he said, we don't are Our
eight hundred runner is hurt.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
We have no one to run the eight hundred. So
I say are. We called it the eight to eighty.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Then I said how far is that? He said, what's
two laps? I said two laps? I said, I do that,
I can do to that, and he goes. He goes,
so shot put guy's gonna run the eight hundred, And
I said, yeah, yeah, if it's just two laps. And
then I think to myself, you know, being a foot
ball player, you know, I was the only true athlete
out there anyway, and I thought, well, how I'm athletic
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enough to run two laps against these people?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I mean, how hard can this be?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And so so we started and I'm smoking them.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I mean it ain't even close.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
And I remember thinking, people, they're not even the same
league with me. I mean, look at me as a
defensive tackle winning the Junior High County eight hundred.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I mean, I'm way out in front. I mean I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
And then I realized, all right, it's just starting to
get harder and this is getting difficult. I basically took
off like I was a sprinter, and this is two lapses,
a lot further than I thought it was at this pace,
and what they had done since they ran this all
the time they were running the proper pace of the
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eight hundred.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I was running the proper pace of the two.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Twenty and which we did running football, and and so
for about half the track, I was smoking okay, and
then about three quarters of the track, they're getting closer,
but I'm still winning. After a completion of lap one
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into lap two, they completely caught me at this point
and I didn't not only didn't finish first, I finished
completely last, way behind because they went off and left
me because they were running the proper pace. I was
not running the correct pace for that race. And I
think and Shery and I actually talked about this this
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past past weekend. Is I think that we got to
understand when we get into difficulty, you better take on
the marathon mindset, the distance runner mindset, because if you
get the attitude of I'm gonna do everything right. As
long as this doesn't last too long, you're going to
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be ending up everybody passing you. You're going to be
understanding that I didn't run at the right pace. And
and so I think what Job is doing here is
he completely knows what he believes, and he's right on
what he believes, but his attitude is starting to wane.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Because he thinks it would.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
He thought it would be over by now, and that
God would have already answered him, and God would have
already showed up. And as we know, God may not
be on our time, but he's never lated. And what
God was trying to get Job to do is depend
on him. I've been there self reliance one of my
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worst sins. And what has happened is until we get
to where we are complet completely dependent on him, He'll
let it go until we.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Get there, and Job does get there.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
So I would suggest that we learn from all this
that when difficulty comes our way, take the attitude of
a marathon runner, not a sprinter, and just buckle down
suffer at the right pace. Let's pray, Lord, thank you,
thank you for today. I pray Lord that you'll help
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us take away everything that you're teaching.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I pray that this.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
All be applied to our lives today and the examples
that we discussed, but also just in the conversation of
Alihu and Job, who's listening with the other three friends.
I do pray Lord that if there's anyone that's watching
and listening to this, and maybe they heard our discussion
of this sinner's prayer, which really we're just talking about
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the concepts that you talked about in scripture. And maybe
they've never repented of their sin and they feel like
you're from them. But today's the day they say, I
want to repent, I want to turn from my sin,
and I want to turn to you. And maybe today
they said, oh, I think I do just have faith
in myself and my ability to be good, and that
hasn't served me well. So I'm going to leave faith
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in myself, and today, Lord, I'm going to place my
faith in you. I know that I am a sinner.
I know I need to be forgiven, and I have
no way to make myself righteous. But only you, Jesus,
can make me righteous. You've already paid the price that
I should pay. So I leave faith in myself and
I put my faith in you, repenting of sin and
asking you, and only you to make me fully righteous
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because only you can. And you know, today I heard, well,
maybe I need to stop being under my own authority,
and maybe it's time for me to the under the
authority of Jesus. I've tried, I've tried to make him savior,
but I've never I've never made him Lord, As a
matter of fact, I've really never even made him savior.
I've just simply believed in him. But today he's savior
because I know that he can save me. But today
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he's Lord because I leave my own authority and I
say I want to follow you. I confess you right now,
you may even say it. I confess you as my Lord.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Well, I don't know the sincerity of your heart. Already
talked about that, but God does. And if you're sincere,
he'll hear that prayer and he'll redeem you. He'll forgive you,
and you'll always have access to him and he'll never
leave you. And if today's your a day, then let
me know if you need me to help you, Rick
at Burgessministries dot com. And it's in your holy name,
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we pray Amen.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Thank you guys,
Welcome into the Wednesday Bible Study. We are in the
Book of Job. My name is Rick Burgess. How are
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Themanchurch dot com as well. So let's open up in
a word of prayer, and like I say, we will
be in a Job chapter thirty five today. Lord, thank
you for the opportunity to unpack your Holy Word. We
are so great for for access to your Holy Word.
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I pray Lord that the power of the Holy Spirit
be with us and help us discern all that you
are teaching through this incredible account of Job and the
response of his friends, and ultimately, Lord, we get closer
to the response from you yourself and your Holy Name.
We pray Amen. So we are getting closer. We are
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getting closer to that. But Ali who still has a
lot to say and is continuing to talk as we
get to chapter thirty five. I know some of you
also have been commenting on the shirt that I have
on today too. If you're looking for this shirt, you
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There those of you that can't see it, it says
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got a lot of comments on this today, people asking
is this available, and it is so. But anyway, so
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there's gonna be more quotations from Job that a lit
who is going to take on. He's almost going to say,
here's your protest Job, and I'll tell you what my
answer to that is. And then it's going to close
with some more quotations from Job. But in the middle
when we get there a lot who's going to talk
about something that is interesting, and you're going to see
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these starting to sound, sadly a little more about like
the original Three Friends than maybe a new fresh voice.
There's certain things he's doing that are fresh, but he's
starting to drift into that theology that God is tearing
apart is one of the things. If you want to
wonder what the book of Job is about is taking
theology that was incorrect and correcting it about who God
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is and why bad things happen to people. So so
anyway you're going to see Ali who's say, I'll tell
you why ain't not getting any response because God does
not respond to those that have impure motives. So so
we'll we'll we'll unpack that a little bit today as
well and kind of think about, you know, what he's
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saying that's true and things he's saying that we would go,
I think you're going to learn that that's not true.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
So verse one is nothing but letting you know. Now.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
One of the things about verse one in chapter thirty
five that I do want to I want to land
on for a minute is and Alli who answered answered what? Who?
I guess most people are saying, since we have no
documentation of Job responding to every we what we have
designed as chapters, they weren't chapters in it was just
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an ongoing monologue that is just simply stating he's continuing
to answer as opposed to and then he answered something
that Job or someone else said, because we don't we
don't have any documentation of that. So I would almost
if I were you I would almost look at this
as he has been answering and waiting for Job to respond.
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Job doesn't, so he continues to answer, it's probably a
better way to read that, so because we don't see
what he's answering other than what he's been answering all along.
So then he goes into verse two and a lot
who says this, do you think this to be just?
Do you say it is my right before God?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
So you sure? Job? Almost?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I just want to be sure that I have this right.
This is a lot who's saying this. Are you sure
that God's punishing you for nothing? That's what you're trying
to say, So you have no issue, You're just, you're
righteous before God, and you are going to be cleared
of any wrongdoing. I just want to be sure that
I understand everything that you're saying. God is punishing you.
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We have no ideal why. You don't have any ideal why,
because you're just and you're righteous, and if we'll just
wait long enough, God's.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Gonna clear you of this, which is exactly what.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Job has been saying. So, so you know you ever
do that? Have I got this right? I just want
to be sure I've got this right. Is this what
you're saying, we know the rhetorical question and answer is yes. Uh.
And then verse three that you ask what advantage have I?
How am I better off than if I had sinned?
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And Job did get a little into we know this.
Remember going through this, he's had some poor, poor, pitiful
me moments and he's done the you know.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It doesn't really matter what you do.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Apparently God, God could abandoned you even if you do
and everything right, and God could be mean to you,
and God could be unfair, and and I don't know
what good it is that I've lived this righteous life
because here I am still in trouble anyway. So a
lot who's taking that on God does not reward right
or punished wrong. Is that what you're saying? There is
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really no point in being good?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Is that? Now?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
The point that a LII who is really upset about
there's two things here he's getting angry about. One of
them is that he's saying, Job, you're taking member his
three friends saying this, you're taking the theology that we've
all accepted, and now you're the one that's gonna tell
us remember this. He got this from his other three
friends you're the one that's gonna tell us our theology
is bad. You're telling us it really doesn't matter how
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you live, that you could end up being punished anyway.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Uh, And it's not.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
He punishes the wicked and he rewards the righteous. Is
that what you're saying. And you're saying there's really no
point into being good because God's just gonna mistreat you
or punish you or let you suffer.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Anyway, which we know.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, that that's kind of what Job has has been
pointing out. So, now, Ali, who is doing really almost
like a lawyer or really even if you've been in
any kind of debate before.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
So these first three verses.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
Really two and three because one's just him continuing he's
doing before he goes into his Now, let me respond,
and this probably is a good practice if you don't
do this, because I don't know if you've ever been
in a debate or back and forth before and you
didn't establish Now, let me be sure I got everything
right before I respond to you.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is this what you think? Is this going to be
your stand?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
So you're telling me that you are just you're telling
me that you're righteous. You're telling me that your name's
going to be cleared. And then you're also telling me
that there's no advantage into being good.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Because you could just suffer anyway.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't want to be sure I got that right,
which Job doesn't answer, but we know yeah, he pretty
much has that right. So now a lot who is
going to attempt in verse four all the way through fifteen,
he's going to attempt to answer Job's arguments. So he's
made this is the argument Job's making. Now I will
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answer that. And he even tells us that look at
verse four a verse four A what does he say,
I will answer you and your friends with you? Well,
he's also apparently he said, I need everybody to listen
to this, all four of you, Job plus three or
anybody else who would be standing around. We still are
not quite sure how many people are hearing all this,
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but we know that those four are okay, and Alia,
who is gonna by him saying I will answer you.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And your friends, we can take from that that Alia who.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Is saying what you're all wrong? You three have been wrong.
But let me tell you something, Job, You're not You're
not right either. I'm gonna I'm gonna take all this
and I'm gonna clear it up for everybody. You four
are about to be set straight. And that's that's kind
of how he set it up. So then we go
to five. He starts with doing something that scripture does.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Tell us to do. Look at creation.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Okay, look at the heavy and see and behold the
clouds which are higher than you. I want you to
just take a look. I want you to just look
for yourself and and and picture right now, let's just
do what he said to do. Picture us all looking
towards the sky. And he's really saying to the three
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and to job you're telling me. With that kind of
distance between us and God, he sees all this. God's
paying attention to look at that, the grandness of all this. Uh,
And I want you to kind of get in your
mind that. And let's all agree, look for yourself. God
is high above the earth, and by all accounts what
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we can see right now, he's invisible. I don't see it.
Do you see him? It looks pretty vast up there. Okay,
So he's he's establishing that. Then he says, setting up six,
if you have sinned, what do you accomplish against him?
What difference does it make? Job to God, whether you're
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good or bad, because I got news for you. You
can decide to sin or you can decide to be good.
It doesn't change anything about God. And by the way,
he's right about that. Now he's wrong by trying to
go far enough to say that that maybe God doesn't
care or isn't aware. Now he is making a point.
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Job you're telling me. With everything that God has going
and everything God is, he's this, He's he's caught.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Up and everything's going on with job. Well, we know that.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's one of the mysteries of what we know about
God is that he would care what each individual in
this room, not just us as a group. You know,
it'd be shocking if he cared about the group. But
he not only cares about the group. He cares about
each individual person in here. But he's not stopping there.
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He cares about every individual that's out there watching and
or listening to this. He knows the intricate details of
your life. How I have no idea. I can't comprehend that.
That's bigger than my mind. That's one of those I
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don't know. I just know the scripture says that's true,
and that's that saving faith. I believe it, okay, but
he but a lot of who He's not sold on that.
I'm not sure sure sure God's going to come down
here and clear you job. I don't know that he's
all that concerned about what you've done. I'm not sure
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I buy that. So then he goes to verse seven.
Now he is right on what we do doesn't change God.
Now he's right about that. God doesn't change if we
decide we don't want to follow him, and we decide
we want to reject him. Nothing about him which change.
You know, even when we come to redemption, that didn't
make God more holy. It didn't make you more good
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that he didn't go. Let me tell you, I was
a little incomplete till Rick was redeemed. Now I'm really something.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
We don't change anything about the greatness of God. He's
gonna be great whether we submit to him or reject him,
He's still gonna be great. Okay, So that part he's
right on. But he's going further. You need to understand.
With the language here, he's almost presenting. I don't want
to use the word aloof, but I don't think God
cares about every little thing that's going on with every
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little person. I think you're a little full of yourself
to think that there is some of.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That going on.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So then we get to six, I mean seven, So
if you're righteous, what do you give to him? Or
what does he receive from your hands? So you see
in six, what difference does it make to God whether
you're good or bad? If you sin, what do you
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accomplish against him? And if your transgressions are multiplied, what
do you do to him? But then he turns it
around so your sin doesn't affect him? And then in
seven he says, your righteousness really doesn't bring anything to
the table either. What what are you really gonna gonna
gonna bring to him? What do you expect to receive
from the hand of God because you've been good? How
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can you sin and against him really bother him? And
how can you being good really help him? And uh,
because he's God?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:28):
What what you do may affect you and it may
affect those around you, but do you think you have
any impact on God? So, so, Joe, what he's saying is,
I'd just like to ask you what do you bring
to God's table?
Speaker 2 (15:44):
What do you bring it to the table? What what
could you possibly have or.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Be that you would approach God and he be willing
to hear your case.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I think you're a little full of yourself.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
So then he goes to the point where I now
would get into a little bit of describing God incorrectly.
I want to make sure you understand that describing God
is a little.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
More aloof here.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
He's detached, he's not that involved in the things that's
going on with human beings. God only responds. Now this
is be careful with this because no, Rick, don't get
emails on this. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna say
it how it is, okay, because I really don't want
to deal with those emails. And and there's there's certain
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groups out there they cannot wait for me to say something. Uh,
and they're standing by and ready. Okay, so uh, I'm
not gonna give them that today. I'm pretty busy. Here's
what Eli who is saying, God only responds to his
most devout, not to the shallow, not to those that
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ignore them when times are good. But then all of
a sudden, when you're in trouble, suddenly you well your
crying out for God. Now, now, Ali, who doesn't have
Job right. If even the little things we heard about
Job early, it seemed to me that Job was pretty
devout and on a daily basis, he was devoted to God.
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He hasn't been aloof and not cared about God when
times were good. He seemed to serve God and worship
God and pray to God when things were good. So,
so what he's going to say here is God has
no use for people who don't are not devoted to
Him every day, and then you come running to him
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because things are bad, He's not going to listen to you.
In verse nine, because of the multitude of oppressions, people
cry out and they call for help because of the
arm of the mighty. In general, this is how people act.
Job who oppress others. Powerful people put a load on
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the people, and then when they get in trouble, suddenly
they come back to God like they hadn't been doing this. Again,
there's been no example that Job, though he is or
was very wealthy, that he ever used that. Matter of fact,
Job when he was defending himself, said I never used
my wealth for bad I never used my position in
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the community to put oppression on anybody. I didn't oppress
the poor where I didn't oppress people, I didn't keep
it all for myself.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
I took care of my people. I took care of people.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I was a friend to everyone, regardless of their standing
in society. But a lie who is not sure he
believes that verse going in now to verse nine, I
mean verse ten, But none says where is God my maker?
Who gives songs in the night? They don't call God maker,
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They're just calling him in times of trouble. He's true
devoted sing songs in times of trouble. They have a
better attitude than you, Job. So I'm watching you. You
know where's God my maker? You know those who who
are are just calling him on times of trouble. You
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don't hear them giving him that kind of praise on
an everyday basis.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Now, now I will tell.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You the ones that are with him when when they're
in trouble, they don't cry out woe is me?
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Has God abandoned me?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
They still sing songs of praise to him.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
And I didn't see that in you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, now, a LII who right now is saying some
things that are that we need to we need to
kind of take note of.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Now, is Job guilty? Of this he isn't.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
However, the point that a lie who is making is
one that we've been talking about in here for a decade.
And what is that when you're in times of trouble,
that's when people decide whether you truly are devoted to
God or not. And you're sponsor, Job is not sending
a very good message. I would agree with that that
the early on that we did. Early on, Job did
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things that were supernatural in response to his difficulty. But
he's become a little more whiny as time has gone on.
And why that's important is it's now affecting how a
lie who sees him and his relationship with God. He's
not correct about it, but now Job has acted in
such a way, not at the beginning. At the beginning,
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that's an incredible message. How Job has responded to this.
I mean, he did the unexpected, but now he's kind
of becoming like everybody else who struggles, and a lie
who is taking issue with that behavior. And he is saying,
if you have never been devoted to him in your
everyday life and you go crying to him in times
of trouble, he doesn't hear you. By the way, that's
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not true either a lot of times, God's never heard
from us until times of trouble. In times of trouble
caused us to actually cry out for him, and we
actually ended up getting redeemed. So a lie who is
off on what he's saying right now, not only about
Job but also about God. Now he is right that
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the way we act in times of trouble send a message.
We've heard that throughout scripture, and really see it in
One Peter chapter one, verse six and seven, that we
have referenced quite often. And if you weren't here when
we reference that, jot that down One Peter Chapter one,
verses six and seven and eleven. Who teaches us more
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than the beast of the earth and makes us wiser
than the birds of heaven? Well, this is it, He's saying, Look,
are we not smarter than animals? Has God not taught
us more than he's taught the beast of the field?
And impressive they are? I mean we are. We're more
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than animals, were wiser than birds. And God will will
interrogate Job about this very thing. I love when we
start seeing foreshadows to Job thirty eight and then verse
thirty nine through thirty nine twenty seven when God gives
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his resume, Ali, who's kind of doing the same thing.
He's using nature in creation to show how incredible God is.
And if you've never we'll study it in coming weeks.
But if you've never heard God's resume, he gives job.
He spends quite a bit of time showing all the
things he made and asking Job if he could do it.
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And so Eliaho is saying, look, you think the fact
that he made animals and he made birds, and he
did all this stuff, You don't think that he's given
more to human beings and made us wiser than the animals. However,
verse twelve, there they cry out, but he does us
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not answer because of the pride of evil men. Now
this is good theology here. Unless unless human beings, no
matter how intelligent he made us, how wonderful he made us,
unless we cry for repentance, God does not listen. The
wicked and arrogant get no answers because they are not heard.
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And he's saying, I do agree that your friends have
said both of these things, and I agree with them
on that point. Well, there again there's some partial truth here.
We do know that until one repents, which I get
emailed about this. But I don't know what to tell
you other than you know. I mean, if you can
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come and show me that you know. For I'll just
think of one off the top of my head. I
think back to Genesis six is a big one. When
God killed everybody excepts a scept eight people. That's a
big one, Okay, that when people don't repent God, God's
wrath does come on them. We know that if you
don't repent. Now we know that Jesus said, repent or perish.
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We know that Peter said at Pentecost when everybody cried out,
what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
We're under conviction? Would it Peter say, repent? You turn
a one eighty.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And the Psalmist, as I have said before, this is
where this is where a lie who is making a point.
And the Psalmist says in Psalm five, for you are
not a god who delights in wickedness. Evil may not
dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes.
You hate all evil doers, You destroy those who speak lies.
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The Lord abhors the blood thirsty and a deceitful man. Okay,
I mean, yet, so you do need to repeent. But
the point that allaih who is missing is that God
is listening to Job, because God is the one who
has set this whole thing up and has allowed Satan
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to come in and torture Job to test the genuineness
of his faith and to teach Job something that he's
going to teach him. And when we hear God's interaction
with Job, and Alliah, who can't imagine in his mind
that God would do this to someone who hasn't already repented,
but we know that's true. Now, Allia who doesn't he
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doesn't have the New Covenant, ali who doesn't have the
entire canonized word of God. He doesn't. We can think
of example after example. I mean of the apostle Paul
and the suffering he went through. My goodness, all of
the apostles.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
I mean that we know.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
They went through difficulty even after they repented. But he
doesn't have that reference point. He is still saying people
who repent shouldn't be in this kind of bond. But
that is actually incorrect. Suffering is in difficulty is used
for all kinds of things by God, even with those
that are already redeemed. And again, if you've been in
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here we have driven that point home. I wouldn't lie
to you. Spent time with us, he would already know
verse thirteen. Surely God does not hear an empty cry,
nor does the Almighty regard it. God pays no attention
to the cries of the unrepented. He regards that of
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zero value. Well, he's right about that. It's just not
the situation that job is in, because you know, you
take this and go to Romans ten, nine and ten,
and you know this is one of those things that
you know, I just can't get through these Bible studies
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with you all without getting myself in trouble. And it's
like that, you know what, I guess, if I'm gonna
be a follower of Jesus and expect not to ever
have to get any debates, I'm kind of naive, aren't
a But a lot of you know this, and and
this is one of those things. A lie who's very
very simple with what he's saying, and there's truth in
what he's saying, but he's missing a key element. And
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I would I would take this point when he's talking about, well,
if you're not truly repented, God doesn't hear it, and
he doesn't redeem it that that is true. But sometimes
there's an assumption like that, like we can know that,
like he can know whether Job's repentance is sincere or not.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
He doesn't know that God does. Right.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
This is the same thing which has become so mad
uh in the Western Church. And I hear it, and
I love when people say it, like they're the first
ones that's ever come up with it. You're not saved
by some prayer, and anybody that tells you you've been
say you can get saved by prayer and the sinner
prayers not in the Bible, and you know, and they
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start all this, and I always have I always enjoy
this because if you ever want to throw people off
of do that, ask them how you redeemed?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Okay, so how are you redeemed by the sincerity of
your heart and repentance?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Really, you talk about kind of like Romans ten, nine
and ten, what sounds an awful lot like what we
talk about at times of response. So you're saying that
we should repent, which Peter said in the Bible. You're
saying that we should believe in our hearts right, that
we should have a saving faith. Right, you're talking about
Paul said, like in Romans ten nine and ten, and
you say that we need to confess Jesus's Lord, right,
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like it says in Romans ten nine and ten. Right,
Because with the heart one believes and it's justified, and
with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
So you're really saying the thing that we call people
to a time of response. Every bit of it's in
the Bible. It's not called the sinner's prayer. I'll give
you that, but it's in the Bible. And we know
that if I read Romans ten ninety ten, that doesn't
save me, and if I repeat it, it doesn't save me.
We know if I say I need to repent, but
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I don't repent, then it doesn't save me. So yeah,
it's true that words don't save us. But it's not
true that the concepts of what we're telling people how
to be justified or not in the Bible.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
That's not true. You're going too far with it.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
You're taking and you're throwing out this prayer as if
we think that's what redeems people. No one's ever thought
that what we're saying is, here's what Scripture says one
must do to be redeemed that because I have no
way of knowing the sincerity of someone's heart, but I'm
not going to deny them the opportunity to respond. The
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Gospel demands a response. God redeems people.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm told to give them a chance to respond to Him,
not to me. So what we're doing because we want
to be the person that says a sinner's prayer didn't
save anybody. We want to take the time response and
do away with it completely. And that's not in scripture.
Peter didn't do away with it. He gave him a response.
You talking about the first time he ever got it right. Well,
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I would think that'd be a good example. We even
know how many people responded. There was a number, They
even counted them. I mean, so should we go to
Peter and say God didn't care about them numbers?
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Why did y'all grab them numbers?
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I guess I guess he thought that's what he should do,
because that's what he did. We have the number. So
I'm not going to apologize for me coming back from
a place where I offered a response. Go and I'll
always add the Billy Sunday, Rick, how did he go? Well,
we sat down and we talked to some guys. There
was about seventeen of them. They said that they wanted
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to come forward and they wanted to repent. I don't
know whether they did or they didn't. They said that
they wanted to confess to Jesus Christ as their lord
and leave their own authority. They said they left faith
in themselves and put their faith in Christ.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Do you think they really did? I don't know. Well,
why did you count them? Because Peter did.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I don't know if all those people that responded that
day turned out to be sincere. They might have just
been scared.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I don't know. But the numbers there so Rick, how
many men came forward, I know seventeen came forward. How
many were relegit God only knows that.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
So did seventeen people get redeemed tonight? I don't know.
We'll see. I'll know by whether their life changes or not.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But I'm not going to sit there and stop having
a time of response because somebody thinks they become sanctimonious
about the sinner's prayer and try to tell me it's
not in the Bible. The concepts are in the Bible
one percent. Don't let nobody ever tell you that most
of the time. Can I just tell you this here
it is, here I go. We're going all in. Now,
I'm going all in, and if you're upset with me,
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you email me today Speedy at the Rickburgers Show dot com.
So I'm going all in. Some of this is because
we have some people. Don't use that word Rick, that's
not the right word to use. We have some people
that have lost confidence in the gospel. There it is,
I'll say it that way. That that's the right way
to say it. They've lost confidence in the Gospel and
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they'd rather not have a time of response because they're
too proud to stand.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
There and nobody respond. So this is just their way out.
That's how I see it, because it's certainly in the Bible. Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
So so anyway, I saw a spattering of amen's, but
not a lot of them. Y'all don't want to be
It's like people saying, I ain't going with him on
this one. I'm not taking that one, and that's right.
I do have Danny Wood's email if anybody needs it.
But any now, you don't have to do that anymore, dude. Okay,
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So anyway, So Alia, who is saying something that is true.
The problem he has that God doesn't hear the unrepentant.
He's right about that, But Alia, who doesn't know who
has really repented or not. None of us know that
God does, and he's right about that. But it's not
our call to say it.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Now. We can see somebody five years from that.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Day and go, well, they really went the other way,
and we can make a ruling on the fruit doesn't
look real good. But again, at the end of it all,
only God knows if someone was truly repented they're not,
and only God knows if they had a saving faith.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
They're not. We don't. But we are supposed to go in.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
All from that opportunity because that's exactly what the apostles
did once they got the Holy Spirit and they start
doing what Jesus told them to do.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
That's what they did.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
So then we get into thirteen. Surely God does not
hear an empty cry, nor does the Almighty regard at
fourteen how much less when you say that you do
not see him, that the case is before him and.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
You're waiting on him. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Are you Job, Are you saying that you have have
you you don't see him? You're saying you have stated
your case before him, and do we have this right? Job,
You're waiting on God to respond to you.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
You expect God.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
To show up and and and have a public form
with you. Yeah, and it's gonna happen. Now a lie
who cannot believe that he thinks this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
You think God You're so Are you sitting here saying
I'm done with I have nothing else to say. I'm
waiting on God now. And you think God's gonna respond
to that? How about he does? Well, I would take
a note of that. I don't know that God's ever
gonna come down to any of us and give his resume.
One of the reasons why he didn't have to give
us his resume anymore because he already has. See before
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he talked to Job, he'd not done that before.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We have it. We have what he said to Job,
so there's no need for him to have to repeat it.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Uh. And his resume is all through the Holy Word
of God.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
So if you ever want to say, well, God has
never visited in me. Oh, yes he has.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You may not have have read it, but he's visited
with you. You realize how incredible it is that we
have this, you know, and and I know a lot
of you say, but what about the Book of Enich.
I couldn't care less about the Book of Enick. Okay,
I've made that clear this week. Please start with the
Book of Enich.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Please.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
This is the new thing that young people a getting
obsessed with. It's not scripture. And know in the Bible
when this says, well they referred to Enich. That yeah,
they referred to the person Enich, not the book of Innich.
The Book of Inenich wasn't even written by Enik. They've
already proven that not to be possible. Okay, So enough
with this kind of stuff. We have all we need
right here. All this stuff is just distraction. But if
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you want God's resume, read his resume in his Holy Word.
Now does God interact with us? You better believe he does.
And I know all of you who have been redeemed
have experienced that, and it's a wonderful feeling. And he says,
I'll in the New Covenant, he said, I'll never leave
you if you're with me. My presence is always with you,
which sometimes is comforting and sometimes it's convicted, but I
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hope it's more comforting than convicting. So now we go
to fifteen. And now, because his anger does not punish
and he does not take much note of transgression, so
you're saying that he just turned a blind eye. It's
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like he doesn't know. And Job did say that in
chapter nine, verse twenty four. He also said it in
chapter twenty one, verse seventeen. So you told us also
what we call chapter twelve, verse six, and I already
mentioned twenty one to seventeen. You're trying to convince us
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that we're supposed to look around and we see examples
that God's overlooking wickedness. That's one of the things you said, Joe,
and Joe was he said, well, I mean, as far
as this theology that he punishes the wicked and he
rewards the righteous, I see some pretty wicked people that
right now God's not punishing them at all, and a
(37:29):
lot who's taking that as soon. So you just think
he overlooks it because he's not doing anything. Well, I
don't know what to think about it. I'm just telling
you that this I see some wicked people doing pretty good,
and we could say that even in our lives now, right,
But that doesn't mean that God doesn't care about it,
or that he doesn't know it.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
He's not overlooking it. They're just.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Us in this falling creation and the redemption plan that
God's working out. The day is coming when all who
have not repented and all who oppose him. The wickedness
is not being overlooked. It just hasn't been.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Dealt with yet, but it will be dealt with.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Some of it gets dealt with in the plan he's
working out now, but ultimately it all gets dealt with.
And and so Eli who is is taking it too far?
That Joe suggesting that God doesn't care about wickedness, That's
not what he's saying. He said, I'm not sure that
this theology we have is right, because I'm telling you
I'm sitting here, I'm not I'm not unrepentant, and I'm
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not practicing sin. I'm blameless. I'm not, I'm not, I'm
not perfect, but I'm I'm are sinless, but i am blameless.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Uh And and I don't know why this has happened
to me.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
And I've seen wicked people that God's not doing what
he's doing to me to them, true, Ali who wants
to say, I just want to be sure I have
that right. Well, to wrap up this part of his speech,
he's now going to insult Job, and sadly sounds a
lot like the other three sixteen. Job opens his mouth
(39:10):
in empty talk. He multiplies words without knowledge. Sadly, this
sounds a lot like the other friends and their accusations.
In chapter eight verse two, Chapter eleven, verse three, Chapter fifteen,
verse two, Chapter eighteen, verse two, Job said that those
(39:33):
accusations that they made against him was meaningless talk. It
was empty talk. He said that in twenty seven to twelve,
Ali who sadly is now taking Job's very phrase and
he's turning it on him. You say that everybody else
(39:54):
bibbles on and everybody else has empty talk. I'm here
to tell you what you've been rambling on about its
empty talk. I think you're talking like you have all
this knowledge. It doesn't sound like you've got knowledge at all.
That had to be hard to hear. I can't imagine.
I don't know if you've ever been in that situation
or people just keep running you down. I mean they
just keep on and they keep piling on. And you know, nowadays,
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with the wonderful platform of social media and public forums,
people from anywhere can pile on, you can. I can
tell you that there have been times that I have
walked into my home and I've just told my wife,
please don't read it, do not do not go on Facebook,
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do not go to this, don't do not read it,
because you know, unlike the days when it was hard
enough for job or somebody to sit there, and people
actually face you and one after another continue to run
you down. That's bad, but at least you have an
opportunity to respond. I think he's so worre down now
he's not responding anymore. Because you know, we used to
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have this phrase. It was very deep and highly educated
in Calhoun County, Alabama, where if you reach the point
where you were done and you just had, you weren't
gonna argue anymore, and you say, that's just gonna have.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
To be with you.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
I don't know what that where we came up with that,
but everybody in Calhoun County knew what that meant. That
that meant, well, then you're just gonna have to feel
that way. I mean you're just gonna that's just gonna
have to be with you, because I'm not gonna. I'm
done with this discussion. But now people that you don't
even know who they are and never identify themselves can
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start some sort of tearing down of you, and everybody
start jumping in and it can go on and own
and own, and I'm just going to tell you what, especially,
watch out if you have children and grandchildren, really keep
an eye on them, because you can protect them physically
all you want to and keep them out of bad
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groups and bad, bad surroundings. But they go flipping on
that social media and put a picture of themselves up
or something, something innocent they want to share with their friends,
and before they know it, I mean, people are commenting
on their hair and commenting on their weight and commenting
on whatever, and they just and these cowards just are
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so vicious because they have no accountability, and it can
weigh on people. It really can. I don't care how
strong you think you are. It's a hard thing. I
consider myself pretty thick skinned. But it gets to you,
especially when it starts just compounding over and over and
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before you know it, this false narrative about you just
takes off and starts running and you can't get it back.
And you know, I think if we could get them
to understand, like I just went through something like.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
That this year, that it's not near as real as
it seems, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
I mean, sometimes something feels like it's a thousand people
and it's really like ten, you know, but but it
feels so big when ten people are on you, you know,
or something like that. And so just watch after them.
Because social media can do some great things. It can
even help spread the gospel and promote things that we're
doing and get people there. But boy, just like everything else,
(43:23):
Satan has a plan with it too, and it can
be a weapon of destruction, it really really can. So
be aware of what your kids and your grandkids are
watching and what's in front of them. And those of
us who adults, we're just gonna have to be careful
what we allow ourselves to be involved in.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
I can tell you some of the things.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
The best thing you can do because that it offers
this And if Joe could do this right now, he would,
but he can't because it's not available. It's just block them,
just be done with them, No more interaction with you can't.
You can't interact with me, and I'm not going to
interact with you. I'm done, I'm blocking you.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
You're out. You can do that.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Clean that stuff out of here, because you're never going
to going to convince them of anything other because if
someone won't sit down and talk to you, you'll never
get your narrative out and then hear their narrative because
these these platforms are not designed for conversation.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
They're designed for one way, and and and and of
course the anonymative, the anonymous part of it is awful.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Uh So then finally Job has said nothing that we
can document since a LII who's starts speaking. Uh. Do
you realize that Ali, who has already cranked out one
hundred verses for us, he's rolling Uh, and we've heard
nothing from Job. Sadly a LII who is starting to
show himself to be of the same mold of the
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other three.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Now, he did not charge Job with any social crimes
like the others did, but he is saying that Job's
attitude and the way that he's watched him act is
sent and he's going as far as to say, not
only is the way you've been acting sinful. I think
it's the reason why you're being punished because we see
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your your heart so again, I think you got to
take away there. It does matter how we respond. And
even though Job apparently is not sinning in what he's doing,
he he is not giving the best presentation right now.
Of it's almost like, you know, Sherry and I were
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talking about this, and I remember.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Exactly what.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
I'd heard with the difference between a sprint and a marathon.
You know, for a sprinter, and my wife was a sprinter,
the blocks are everything. I mean, how you come out
of the blocks. I mean, you can lose out of
the blocks because you didn't come out.
Speaker 2 (45:59):
Of the blocks right.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Every little millisecond of advantage matters. But in a marathon,
the really how you start is meaningless. I mean I
remember talking to the person about the marathon and they
were so far back. People were still drinking coffee and
it had already started, you know, and they were so
back on the I don't know if it was the
(46:20):
New York Marathon or the Boston it was one of those,
and they said they were so far back they literally
were still sitting in a coffee shop and it had started,
and they finished off their coffee and said, okay, what's
time for us.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
To join in?
Speaker 1 (46:31):
And uh, and so that's how little the start matters
on a marathon. And I think what you found here
is is that job. When his suffering started, he was
he had a sprinter's attitude.
Speaker 2 (46:45):
Uh, this is.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Gonna be quick. He did everything right in the beginning.
But as this thing is drug on and most of
the commentators think maybe four months this is drug on,
he began understandably, don't don't hear me acting like that,
this is a reasonable. My goodness, can you imagine the
kind of misery he's in And how long four months
must feel. Anybody ever been sick for a long period
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of time. It feels even longer than it actually is,
because every minute and every you know, and if you're
not asleep, I mean those seconds dragged by. And so
he is. He's in that mode. But I think what
happens here is you know that when he went after
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his suffering, Because I was talking to Sherry about this
because she does run some distances now and I know
other people in here that do as well, and she said,
one of the things that people make the mistake on
and this happened to me. And I'm comparing this to
life is I actually I know this may shock you.
I was filled events in track. I was not one
of the runners, so I was shot put.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
You know this guy.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
And so one time, this was junior high. This was
not a major ordeal. Wouldn't happen on a high school
team or a college team or something. But anyway, and
certainly not the Olympics. Didn't make it to the Olympics.
But we just had the you know, the the you know,
who gets the junior high track team. I mean it's
it's one of three or four jobs this guy's doing,
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you know, at the school. Nobody wants to be the
junior high track team coach. I mean he's already coaching basketball.
He's coaching you know, he does something for the football team.
And oh, by the way, we need you to you know,
you're not involved in baseball.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
So you've got junior high track.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
And so we get down one day we're I feel
who we're competing against and it might even be in
the county deal and he said, we don't are Our
eight hundred runner is hurt.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
We have no one to run the eight hundred. So
I say are. We called it the eight to eighty.
Speaker 1 (48:44):
Then I said how far is that? He said, what's
two laps? I said two laps? I said, I do that,
I can do to that, and he goes. He goes,
so shot put guy's gonna run the eight hundred, And
I said, yeah, yeah, if it's just two laps. And
then I think to myself, you know, being a foot
ball player, you know, I was the only true athlete
out there anyway, and I thought, well, how I'm athletic
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enough to run two laps against these people?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
I mean, how hard can this be?
Speaker 1 (49:13):
And so so we started and I'm smoking them.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I mean it ain't even close.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
And I remember thinking, people, they're not even the same
league with me. I mean, look at me as a
defensive tackle winning the Junior High County eight hundred.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I mean, I'm way out in front. I mean I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
And then I realized, all right, it's just starting to
get harder and this is getting difficult. I basically took
off like I was a sprinter, and this is two lapses,
a lot further than I thought it was at this pace,
and what they had done since they ran this all
the time they were running the proper pace of the
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eight hundred.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
I was running the proper pace of the two.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Twenty and which we did running football, and and so
for about half the track, I was smoking okay, and
then about three quarters of the track, they're getting closer,
but I'm still winning. After a completion of lap one
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into lap two, they completely caught me at this point
and I didn't not only didn't finish first, I finished
completely last, way behind because they went off and left
me because they were running the proper pace. I was
not running the correct pace for that race. And I
think and Shery and I actually talked about this this
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past past weekend. Is I think that we got to
understand when we get into difficulty, you better take on
the marathon mindset, the distance runner mindset, because if you
get the attitude of I'm gonna do everything right. As
long as this doesn't last too long, you're going to
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be ending up everybody passing you. You're going to be
understanding that I didn't run at the right pace. And
and so I think what Job is doing here is
he completely knows what he believes, and he's right on
what he believes, but his attitude is starting to wane.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Because he thinks it would.
Speaker 1 (51:25):
He thought it would be over by now, and that
God would have already answered him, and God would have
already showed up. And as we know, God may not
be on our time, but he's never lated. And what
God was trying to get Job to do is depend
on him. I've been there self reliance one of my
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worst sins. And what has happened is until we get
to where we are complet completely dependent on him, He'll
let it go until we.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
Get there, and Job does get there.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
So I would suggest that we learn from all this
that when difficulty comes our way, take the attitude of
a marathon runner, not a sprinter, and just buckle down
suffer at the right pace. Let's pray, Lord, thank you,
thank you for today. I pray Lord that you'll help
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us take away everything that you're teaching.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I pray that this.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
All be applied to our lives today and the examples
that we discussed, but also just in the conversation of
Alihu and Job, who's listening with the other three friends.
I do pray Lord that if there's anyone that's watching
and listening to this, and maybe they heard our discussion
of this sinner's prayer, which really we're just talking about
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the concepts that you talked about in scripture. And maybe
they've never repented of their sin and they feel like
you're from them. But today's the day they say, I
want to repent, I want to turn from my sin,
and I want to turn to you. And maybe today
they said, oh, I think I do just have faith
in myself and my ability to be good, and that
hasn't served me well. So I'm going to leave faith
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in myself, and today, Lord, I'm going to place my
faith in you. I know that I am a sinner.
I know I need to be forgiven, and I have
no way to make myself righteous. But only you, Jesus,
can make me righteous. You've already paid the price that
I should pay. So I leave faith in myself and
I put my faith in you, repenting of sin and
asking you, and only you to make me fully righteous
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because only you can. And you know, today I heard, well,
maybe I need to stop being under my own authority,
and maybe it's time for me to the under the
authority of Jesus. I've tried, I've tried to make him savior,
but I've never I've never made him Lord, As a
matter of fact, I've really never even made him savior.
I've just simply believed in him. But today he's savior
because I know that he can save me. But today
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he's Lord because I leave my own authority and I
say I want to follow you. I confess you right now,
you may even say it. I confess you as my Lord.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (54:09):
Well, I don't know the sincerity of your heart. Already
talked about that, but God does. And if you're sincere,
he'll hear that prayer and he'll redeem you. He'll forgive you,
and you'll always have access to him and he'll never
leave you. And if today's your a day, then let
me know if you need me to help you, Rick
at Burgessministries dot com. And it's in your holy name,
(54:30):
we pray Amen.
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Thank you guys,
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