Discovering Wisdom with Sahara Rose

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The things that become our dharma a few years from
now are the things that we're Google searching today, because
that's the thing that we're learning for ourselves. And if
you look at the things you're google searching a couple
of years ago, you're probably embodying them today. I don't
know what I'm going to say next. You don't know
what's going to happen next. We're on the ride, and
that's how life is meant to live. We're actually just
here to surrender and be vessels for how life is

(00:22):
meant to be manifested through our incarnation. And so when
we sit back, I we take that passenger seat and
let the universe take the ride. Maybe I am not
just a mind and a body to improve, but rather
a soul to know. Maybe nothing was ever wrong with me.

(00:44):
Maybe I didn't need to even improve myself. I just
didn't know myself.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Welcome back to the SINO Show. I'm your host Sena McFarland.
Today today we're diving deep, deep, deep into the world
of purpose, dharma and radical self expression with a guest
who's been guiding thousands towards their highest potential.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
She's a best selling author.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
She's an artist, the host of the Highest Self podcast
in a modern voice of ancient wisdom.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
You've seen her work.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Endorsed by Deep pock Chopra himself, and she's helped countless
people discover their true's life's calling.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
It's my honor to welcome the one and only Saharros
of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Ah, thank you so much, Ceo. I'm so excited to
be here and with your audience today from Mama Bali.
If anyone has been here, it's just such a beautiful place.
So I'm bringing in the Bali frequency.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's bring in their frequency because you channel a high frequency,
There's no doubt about it. So I have so many
things to talk about with you. I mean, do we
start with when you got the calling? Do we talk
with that? Start with the health scared? Do you want
to give us a little backstory? What are you feel
in right now?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Well?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I feel all of our journeys. The only reason why
any of us would go into healing is because we
first needed it ourselves. So my journey began when I
was in my early twenties. I first went on this
health journey which brought me to veganism and plant based
eating and eventually I became a raw vegan, but over
time after doing this, my health really started to deteriorate.

(02:27):
And on top of that, I was having a really
hard time with my family. I wasn't sure what my
purpose was. I went through a really hard breakup, and
all of this at the same time manifested as what
we call disease, you know, when we're out of balance
with our body. When I didn't get my period for
over two years, and doctors told me I had gone

(02:47):
through perimenopause when I was twenty one years old, so
I would never be able to have children, get osteoporosis
very young and have to be on hormone replacement therapy.
They prescribe me antidepressants and so that this is just
how you'll have to live, and just something deeper within
me intuitively new there had to be a greater cause
for this imbalance, but I didn't know what it was.

(03:09):
So I just became obsessed with healing, which brought me
to Araveda, the sister science of yoga based on the
mind body connection. And I took a quiz which is
Adosha quiz. It's a mind body type quiz, and once
I understood mine, which was the air type. It was
like learning everything about myself, my personality. You know, air people,

(03:29):
your creative, big picture thinking, free flowing, You love to travel,
you love to talk about philosophy. But in your body
you may have dry skin, dry hair, bloating, gas constipation,
low hormones. And for the first time I felt understood mind,
body and spirit under one umbrella. And so I just
became obsessed with learning everything about it. I moved to India.

(03:52):
I studied Araveda for two years, became an Aravdic practitioner.
Healed my body, regained my period, regained vitality. But most importantly,
all of a sudden, all these ideas I had, I
could take action on it. I had more of that fire,
that energy to bring to life my vision. And that's
when I decided I would write a book on Araveda,

(04:13):
which I had never met up there before. I knew
nothing about the process.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, so what are you twenty three at this point?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I was twenty three at this point and deciding I'm
going to write this Iraveda book. And my parents were like,
you're crazy. You need to get a normal job. And
I came here to Bali actually and it was my
first time seeing people being spiritual life coaches and astrologers
and you know, intuitives and these things. I had never

(04:39):
seen anyone actually create careers doing this kind of thing,
and it gave me that feedback to know that there
is a path where you can merge together your highest
form of joy with your highest form of service. And
so I just became obsessed with trying to figure out
what was my purpose. But now you know, flash eleven years,

(05:00):
and what I teach is that the obstacles that you've overcome,
with the things that you're excited about, the mediums that
come through you, your archetypes, if we merge these all together,
that is your dharma, that is your soul's purpose. So
just to give you a little bit of what happened next,
took me two years to write that first book. I
pitched it to all these publishers. I was rejected by

(05:22):
all thirty of them, and they said the same my parents, son,
no one cares. You're not a doctor, You're not old enough.
This is never going to happen. But I just knew
that I went through these issues for a greater reason
and that this wasn't the end. It was just another
door in to figure it out, and so eventually I

(05:43):
was I submitted to get hired to write The Idiot's
Guide to ayer Veda, which is part of the Idiot's
Guide series. Wrote that book, put my all into it,
and right before it got published, I was at a
conference that Deepok Troper happened to be at, walked up
to him through a crowd, which is a whole story
we can get into, and ended up sending him my

(06:03):
book and he became you know a few days later
he read the book and was really blown away and
asked me to be on faculty of Chopra. And so
I share this in a really and we can dissect
any part of it. But how did I go from broke,
health issues, overwhelmed, confused, my parents ended up disowning me,

(06:25):
like really in the muck, to writing a book Deepak Chopra,
writing the forward of that book, and then eventually, you know,
writing several more in creating this beautiful career where I
get to be myself full time. And the shift was
I really started to understand what my dharma, what my
purpose was.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Ooh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
So let's let's talk about this because you exemplify this
beautifully thirty rejections, okay, the art of learning how to
love the nose and not personalize a note, and the
relentless spirit. Can you talk about your kind of commitment
to that and what your energies about with that?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I feel sometimes the universe says no to what we
feel is the shortest version to get somewhere, because we're
not ready. I can see now that that version of
the book I had written was not the version that
was meant to go out into the world. That was
the version for me to write, for me to prove
to myself that I can write a book for me

(07:25):
to clear my thoughts and get succinct. And also part
of why I was hired to then write Adidas Guy
to Airaveda was I had written a book before. It
wasn't published, but I had written it so I could
prove that I can bring something to completion. But then
I needed to go through you my spiritual PhD program
to go even deeper into it to write that. And

(07:48):
when I say spiritual PhD, I mean source God, consciousness,
whatever you want to call it, will sometimes bring us
deeper obstacles to further embody or dharma because we have
when When I say dharma, just think the word sole purpose,
the big reason why you're here, And it's not what
you do so much, but it's how you do it.

(08:08):
It's your unique and it's your magic sauce. It's the
way that you articulate, the way that you see the world,
the way that thoughts ideas consciousness channels through the unique
vessel that you are, which is irreplaceable. And when you
are living in your dharma, you are plugged into universal
source energy that is streaming through you, and so you

(08:28):
are being guided in ways that you would have never
been able to figure out on your own in your
logical mind. And I feel like what happens is the
world comes alive and you realize you're in this conversation
with the universe, and you're like, show me how to
be of service, and it puts the right person in
front of you and you're like, what do I share

(08:49):
about next? And the song lyrics tell you exactly what
to do, and it's like everything comes alive and you realize,
I'm like, was it always like this before? Was I
just not paying attention? And I feel when we're not
paying attention, the universal signs get a little bit more
quiet because I're like, Okay, they're not listening when they're ready.
And then sometimes life puts us in these dark knights
of the soul, these on your knees moments, these obstacles

(09:11):
where you have no choice but to come to your knees.
And when you come to your knees, whyet enough to
surrender and listen to the guidance that was always there
to support you, but it needed to get you to
that point for you to finally listen, and so you
needed to break down specifically that your soul needed to

(09:33):
break your heart heart wide open. And I find that
different aspects of our dharma will have different initiations. So
my health issues became my health dharma. Then my family
issues and not knowing my purpose became my dharma around
really understanding who I am and healing and being my

(09:53):
own person and stepping into my authenticity. Flash forward ten
years from there, being cheated on in my marriage and
going through a divorce that led to well other initiation
of my dharma around self love and understanding relationships on
a deeper level. And so I find that our souls
chose a curriculum, and that curriculum is like the perfect

(10:16):
study plan for you to embody your soul's purpose. So
you were born knowing your purpose. You've known since you
were a child. If you get really quiet, you already
know what it is. It's how we were. It's you know, like,
I'm curious for you, so you know, like, what were
you like as a kid, what were you interested in?

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I was like a little young Ferris Bueller. I was
just curious and wonder amant and everything seemed possible. Mm
hmmm yeah, and then it became dark.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
How does that manifest into your darmin?

Speaker 3 (10:46):
Today?

Speaker 2 (10:47):
We're doing the show right now, we're doing the show.
How i'd since I'm bery, you and I are kind
of in the same business. We get paid and help
people crack hearts and let light in. And I love
my job and I like pew. I probably put in
seventy hours a week, and then I could probably do ninety.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
It is just endless. That's my spirit. That's what I'm
here on the planet to do.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Did you ever go through a journey of forgetting or
losing yourself and forgetting that this is who you try?

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh, I've almost died, I've been shot at, I've been
you know, I've been yeah, yeah, I tapped out.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Of course it was. It has to get really dark. Really.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
It wasn't just like, Hey, one day, I've got this
great place in Venice and I get.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
To do a podcast with Sahara Ros.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Isn't this just grand? No? No, you gotta go through
the divorce. You gotta get to the betrayals, you gotta
go through the cheating, you gotta go through being broke.
You gotta get to where the world's just so fucking
loud you don't know what to do.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Do you feel now looking back on it, that it
all made sense to support your dharma and how you
express in the world today.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, absolutely, all part of the path mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
So I'm curious for you and someone who's who's in
the muck right now, who's like, well, I can't live
my purpose because I don't have the money too, I
don't have the time to I'm going through a divorce,
I'm going through this health challenge. What would you say
to them?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, someoney who's struggling and just really doesn't have any hope.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
M h Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well my challenge is to help them shift channels and
see where that negativity is really and give them small
little goals, small little steps, and then sometimes you know,
sometimes you can kill people with love. And then sometimes
you got to say to something, this is me, you
ask me. I got to tell you I'm a little.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Bored with your sad story.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
You're committed to darkness, you're committed to being a debbie down,
or you're committed to this. You're a personality. You've taken
on this thing. It's not true, it's not real. Do
you want a better life? What is your sick and tire?
To being sick and tired? I can give you the map.
Here's the map. Do you want to follow it?

Speaker 1 (12:53):
So I'm asking these questions to get to know your
dharma archetype in a greater way. And I can see here,
Okay that you wrong warrior energy to you. That is
a big part of your dharma, the war. So there's
nine darma archetypes. I write about them in my book,
Discover Your Darma. But I'm going to break down yours
because your audience knows you, and we're gonna put together
your blueprint right now because they know you, and then

(13:17):
they can resonate and then that allows them to see
the patterns within themselves. So the warrior archetype is here
to protect, lead, empower, help people go towards goals. They
have the strong sense of camaraderie. They bring community together
and they help you realize that we're stronger as a

(13:37):
team and that you can overcome whatever limiting beliefs that
you have in your mind and really are an example
of strength. So Tony Robbins, similar to you, has that
warrior energy that literally he has you walk on hot
coals and shows you that you are beyond what you
feel the threshold of your body is. And you know,

(14:00):
when Tony Robbins comes on stage and I imagine your
energy is like that. He brings people up and gets
them in their body and gets them moving and clapping,
and all of a sudden, you feel in this higher
energetic state that when your body is in that vibration,
you can't cognitively go into I don't know, I'm doo
dire and I'm not good enough because your body is

(14:21):
fueling with life force energy and that's what the warrior does.
Warriors are also I'm going to assume you are very athletic,
you're into fitness. They are very attuned for their bodies.
So a lot of people who go into like being
personal trainers, etc. Have that warrior energy. If you think
about a personal trainer, they're helping you keep track of goals.
Warriors are very a goal as well. If something is intangible,

(14:42):
they have a hard time grasping it. They're like, Okay,
let's focus our energy towards this thing so we can
make sure we get there. So they have a very
strong masculine energy to them and can really create like
systems around things that people want to do. So when
they come into the group, everyone's like we should do this.
They're like, Okay, here's point A to point B two point. See,
you chose that vessel, that avatar to express as a

(15:05):
warrior because that would be the archetype that would be
the most supportive of your narma. Your soul chose that.
Now you also are a visionary. The visionary is here
to inspire people. They're here to bring people to a
higher level perspective. Their gift is their charisma. You chose
to be born with the gift of communication, the gift

(15:26):
of storytelling, the gift of being animated when you speak.
Visionaries tend to be good looking people as well. Barack
Obama has this energy, because whatever you think about politics,
we can all agree. He was an incredible speaker. He
really caused people to rise up. And you know, Martin
Luther King, I have a dream, what a concept. And

(15:46):
so that's the gift of the of the visionary. It's
through their words, through their channeling, they cause people to
see things from a higher level perspective that they wouldn't
have seen before. I feel you also have a teacher
energy in you, and the teacher energy now can break
things down like okay, you want to like talk about this,

(16:07):
Let's let's break it down a little bit. Let me
let me teach you how. So their guides, they're here
to impart knowledge and teachers. The reason why I feel
you have this is their souls will go through life
to learn the lessons that they're meant to teach. So
their life is kind of a series of different like okay, obstacle,
overcome obstacle, teach to obstacle. Once I feel like I've

(16:27):
taught it to the level that I need to, life
presents me with the next one. They keep moving like that.
And so when you're a teacher and then you go
through your next obstacle, you started to kind of know, well,
this isn't really just for me. I'm actually supposed to
be put into this very real human experience, but with
the consciousness that I have, so I can now reverse

(16:48):
engineer it and help other people going through it. So
it's this, oh, like I'm going through this, and I am.
It's definitely me going through it, but I also kind
of know I'm here to teach other people about it.
So let me like write down my notes of what
I'm figuring right now, because I know I'm going to
eventually be teaching other people. Have you ever felt that.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Before one thousand percent you nailed everything?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Okay, agreat Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Well it's funny because Tony and I are brothers and
we're in spiritual partnership. We work with people together and
I just love that man dearly, So we're on the
same team.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I love that. And also, if we bring an ire veta,
it's the shape of the face. We can actually see
someone archetype through the shape of your face. You have
a long face, strong job. These are all qualities of
fire energy, which is what the warrior has. Now, so
we're putting together your dharma blueprint right now. So the
dharma blueprint is the blueprint of what to focus your
energy on. So now we know you're archetype warrior, visionary teacher.

(17:41):
Now the next is your medium? What are the mediums
that come through you? So I'm curious for you. You know,
do you feel it's speaking, and like, if it's speaking,
what kind of speaking is it? Writing? Is it one
on one conversations? How do you feel you can communicate
and come most alive?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Great quest?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah, I asked me the great it's speaking, Tzar, But
it's also I think my gift is my empathy and
my ability to listen and make people feel trust. I
hear them, they know they're being loved and cared for.
And I asked them. I asked them the questions that
no one's asked them before. So have they audacity to
ask certain things? That's my gift, I think.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
So that's telling us that you also have a strong
nurture energy to you. The nurker is here to Their
gift is their empathy. They are able to ask people
questions they've never been asked before and sit in hold
space and through creating safety in their body, help people
go deeper into their truth. So as a nurturer, and
for people listening to this, you are the person that

(18:44):
people will gravitate to at a party and be like,
this is what's really going on, And then after they're like, wow,
I've never shared that with anyone and I just met you,
Like I don't know what just happened. They're tuning to
the safety in your nervous system that they can actually
feel this is a safe space for me to unload.
Because sometimes when we're nurturers, we think everyone must do

(19:08):
that to everyone, but it's not true. Not like we
don't go our deepest problems to every person at the party,
not at all. It's very rare for that to happen.
But when you're a nurturer and that keeps happening, you
kind of create this skewed view that that just must
be what life is. But it's not. It's just you.
So if you are a nurture, you have the gift
of the healer, you have the gift of the coach.

(19:29):
You know, the intuitive. So I love to see when
warrior and nurture together because they're juxtaposing archetypes. Often because
warriors like like if you're in pure only warrior energy,
it's like kind of like what you said. It was like,
I don't need the sob story. Let's keep things moving.
What's your goal? You know? Well, then the nurture is
like tell me all the details you know, And so

(19:51):
you have both, and I actually think that that's helpful.
It's like the masculine feminine, the yin and the young
of Like, Okay, I'll really listen to your story and
be there for you. But at a level, if I
feel like you're repeating yourself again and again and again,
I'm going to push you towards what you really want.
Does that resonate?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Well, without you're right on, You're right on, yep.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
So yeah, I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Wait, wait, what's your blueprint?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Mine what you go through? Yours and I'll tell you mine,
okay asking me questions?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Huh, well I know exactly all right.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So the next thing is obstacles you've overcome. So what
are some big obstacles that you have overcome that you
feel really inform your dharma.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, let's start with, you know, being kidnapped and used
for child pornography and being tortured.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
That was a pretty good one. A life of being
a drug smuggler.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I got over that one life of crime and you know,
life of drug addiction, you know, alcoholism that's been thirty
eight years. Those are a couple and just my how
about the one of just that I'm not enough and
I'm not smart, and I can't do anything, and I've,
like you, I've created something magical my practice here and
people come to live here and the show and being

(21:07):
around extraordinary people like you. I've overcome those things and
brought that into my you know, my life and my
community and my vision.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
So would you say the biggest theme that you've experienced
throughout these obstacles is realizing your enoughness?

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, God got it right from the gate.
I just didn't know that. Yeah right, all right.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
So what do people compliment you on? What do they say, like, oh,
you know, you're so great with this comes from actually you.
What are the kind of compliments you receive?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
My energy, my fierce energy, my commitment to doing whatever
it takes to help people be kind of loving to
themselves and get the negativity out of there and understand
their mission statement and their map and their purpose and
really helping them. I'm really like God's middle man. I'm
just trying to connect to this some truth and to
you know, some higher help.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's really what I do. I love that my ability.
I love people.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I love people at a very high frequency till they
can love themselves.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
What are you excited about, Like, what are the things
that you're you know, Google searching, podcasts, are listening to
things that you're like, Oh, I just could do this forever.
What are the things that bring up that energy for you?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well, I'm I'm you know, first off, I'm always a student.
I always consider myself a newcomer I have, you know,
I always want to better myself.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
So you know, probably you and I are listening to
the same people. I mean listen.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I'm listening to podcasts, I'm reading books, I'm looking at quotes,
you know, I'm constantly searching for things. I'm I'm big
into art, I'm big in athletics. I go to events,
I love opera, I'm music plays, just so curious about
you know, anybody the Victor Frankels of the world, you know,
that's my get down. You know, people that have gone
through really difficult times but they're in a different place now.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Transformation, transformation.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Healers, you know that have gone through it, People that
have had just extraordinary adversity and they're on the other
side of it and that generally smile and have a
good time with life.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Are there any topics that you are excited about, you're
reading about, but you're not sharing about yet.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Ask me that question one more time.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Are there any topics that you're personally studying for yourself
but you're not necessarily speaking about yet.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Well, yeah, it's a good yes, I'm studying curious and
talking to some great minds around the world about psychedelics
helping people with severe addiction, people that have severe trauma,
severe PTSD, how these things might be able to help them.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Great. So we've just put together the map of your consciousness,
the Darma blueprint. So the Darma Blueprint has five categories.
And when you put these five categories together, and I've
been writing them down, I'll send it to you after
as well. People have insane experiences when they even just
see it, because it's like seeing the blueprint of your
soul written down and all these different pieces of the

(24:24):
puzzle that you're like, oh, yeah, I'm this, and I'm
also that, I'm also that, and like realizing that they're
all interconnected. So for you, the first part is the
dharma archetype or the warrior, the visionary, the teacher, and
the nurturer. So you're a combination of these different archetypes.
You have the fire, you have the vision, but you
also have that deep desire to pass it along to

(24:46):
like one to one with people. You don't lose touch
of like keeping your feet on the ground, because when
you keep your feet on the ground and you connect
one on one with people, it actually informs the greater
message that you share. It's like your soul knows that
little like one on one conversation may give you a
glimpse of understanding of what the collective is now going through,

(25:08):
which is why everywhere you go you want to talk
to the person behind the cashier. You want to have
a conversation with that person going by, because it's like
building your field of awareness and now you're seeing patterns
and then those patterns you take as the visionary. And
then there's the visionary you speak, but you bring that
fire of like hey, let's not just got caught in
the message, let's take it to action. And so that

(25:30):
is really the combination of your dharma archetypes. Now the
medium that comes through you is your connection with people.
You are, Like you said, God's middleman. You are here
to be that like glue that brings things to the
people you're not. For example, some of the archetypes are researcher.
They're here to like research and write books and be

(25:52):
an academia more of Like I mean, Joe Despenser has
some visionary but it's very much researcher. Deep talk to
a researcher, right, That's not what your archetype is. Your
archetype is very much like for the people connecting to
the people putting in Layman's terms, now opticle. You overcome
obviously some big ones you mentioned kidnapping, drug smuggling, crime, addiction,

(26:13):
but the theme is really overcoming the impossible. These are
things that people in their tracks and almost so extreme
that your soul chose them to.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Almost be like a pinnacle of Well, actually, I was
able to overcome the impossible, right, things that could cause
people to take their life, things that we can't even fathom,
and your soul almost chose the.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Most extreme path of these obstacles. So then you can
be the vessel of yeah, we can overcome anything. This
is just a little bit of what I've overcome, and
it just stops people in their track of whatever their
story is, because it's like, wow, Sina was able to
overcome a series of really big things. Then maybe, you know,
my breakup or whatever the thing is that feels so

(26:59):
big is in the grand scheme of life, not so big,
and that's quite humbling. You almost the comparison of you
humblest people, and you've cho chosen that level of bigness
I imagine like the Genie energy, right, because then you're
almost like, oh, yeah, I also got kidnapped. It's like
what you know, but a playfulness and how you say it,

(27:20):
because that's like integration. When someone's integrated, they can laugh
and be enjoy while talking about the hardest and darkest things.
That's how we know we've really come to the other
side of it. So the theme that you mentioned is
not enoughness, you know, not taking the story of because
I had addiction, I'm not enough because I experienced trauma,

(27:40):
I'm not enough, and really helping people understand that no
matter what happened to you in your past, you have
everything that you need to fulfill your wildest dreams and
dreams that you haven't even dreamed of yet now your
power is your energy, your commitment to connecting with people
to again and being God's middleman, connecting people to their truth.

(28:03):
It's this relentlessness in you, this resilience in you, this
ability to continue to pick yourself back up, pick yourself
back up. And I'm curious what your human design is.
I feel your Do you know your human design?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
No idea.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I feel you're likely a generator, manifesting generator. We can
look it up later. It's a system that tells us
how energy moves in your body. But you definitely have
a strong like root and sacral energy and that's why
it's like life flicks you off the edge and you
just like soar back up with a new superpower. And
that's what you're here to do and help people find

(28:40):
within themselves. And now your excitement, your excitement helps us
see where your soul is heading. So you're heading into
deeper levels of helping people overcome adversity and transform their lives.
And there's obviously a curiosity of psychedelics. So this gives
us the map because the things that become our dharma
a few years from now are the things that we're

(29:01):
Google searching today. Because that's the thing that we're learning
for ourselves. And if you look at the things you're
google searching a couple of years ago, you're probably embodying
them today, right, So we can where your soul is
heading and what the curiosity is and you fully learning
it for yourself. You creating that roadmap for yourself, and
then you testing your theory on you know, the people

(29:23):
around you, the people in your community, and then that
creating the next movement and medium and expression. So if
we bring these all together, we can see that you
are a deeply kind and connected person who has overcome,
you know, relentless obstacles, yet through your energy and through
your commitment to God, have really become a avatar to

(29:46):
show people that they can overcome the toughest adversities and
do it with joy and empathy.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Amen. Amen, Okay, that was beautiful. Look at that. That
was what Wow, that was a real well thank you
for that. I mean that was really that was really something.
So is that your coaching technique when your clients come in?
Is this what the process you go through? Talk about
your process?

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I mean you kind of did it with me, but
going wait, let me back up a little bit after
the book's out, So you're how old are you now
after the book is out?

Speaker 1 (30:18):
The first book came out when I was twenty six,
and then I've written four books since then. Now I'm
thirty four.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yes, yes, And what did you do work wise? How
did you from the book?

Speaker 2 (30:30):
How did you move into your coaching all the Can
you walk us through that journey in your process?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Sure? So I was a health coach when I started
and moved into coaching at Ira Vetus. I was one
on one coaching for seven years, and I feel that
one on one coaching is really the best way for
those of us who are interested in this type of
thing to really get our feet dirty, you know, to
understand people similarly to you. I gain my concepts through

(30:56):
having conversations with people. So through working with so many,
I started to notice the patterns. Through noticing the patterns,
I started to group coach. From group coaching, I created
an online course. Through online course, I started my podcast.
Through starting my podcast, I eventually started a membership community.
Through starting the membership community, eventually I created my coaching methodology.

(31:18):
So this method that you saw, the Dharma Blueprint, it's
one of the many methods that we have. And the
way they came to be was when I was writing
my book Discover Your Dharma, which was me really trying
to understand how did I go from again broke, confused,
overwhelmed his own to living my purpose. Deepak Chopra entirely
shifted timeline and so I started to like be like

(31:39):
what was I Google searching? What was I thinking about?
What archetypes were coming through me? And started to really
channel these different systems that are tried and true, and
now I know through doing them with thousands of people,
like they really work with anyone. Like I was even
dared to have a sign on the streets of Boston
of I will help you find your life purpose in
three hours, and just with a random person from the street,

(32:01):
use the method on them. She ended up creating a
photo gallery about helping women overcome postpartum depression.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
So it's like, oh, I love that.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Already know what our purpose is. It's just sometimes we
need a map, we need someone to even just hold
the space because most of us we've never thought about
our purpose for maybe more than a fleeting thought, you know,
or the guidance counselor in high school that's like, oh,
you like to talk like maybe be a lawyer. It's like,
I don't think that this is what lawyers do, you know.
But it allowed me to then create these try and

(32:31):
trude systems that became Dharma Coaching Institute. And now the
Dharma Coaching Institute is one of four certifications I have
in my school, the highest self institute. And it's been amazing.
We've graduated over three thousand students and they have gone
on to create wow, yeah, create full time careers as
Dharma coaches, the first ever Dharma coaches. And it's a
really beautiful integration if someone's also a yoga teacher or

(32:53):
a breathwork teacher, meditation or health coach, but wants to
go deeper. Because that's what was frustrating to me as
health coach was I think, you know that eating a
bunch of chips in the middle of the night is
not good for you, But why does that keep happening?

Speaker 4 (33:07):
You know?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
And the reason why are these deeper issues in our
soul that I feel we don't feel equipped to engage
in because we're like afraid of what might come up.
So having these systems and tools gives us sort of
this like roadmap that we can go in with and
trust that this person is going to have an experience.
And you know, that's just the dharma blueprint. What I

(33:28):
would bring you through next is where are you in
the five stages of dharma development, which I already know
you Yours is on stage five. Where you're at in
the dharma journey spirals. So that tells us the emotions
that people go through and what emotions often follow, because,
for example, as you've known, sometimes it gets darker before
it gets lighter, and people often think, my life was

(33:51):
great before, and then I went into this whole spiritual
awakening thing, and you know, now it's even tougher. Did
I regress? And it's actually this process that has happens
when you start to become awake, that friends that are
not in alignment with you fall away, relationships that are
not in alignment for you. That job that you were
actually complaining about the whole time you get fired from it.
You're like, what, But it's actually God telling you, oh,

(34:15):
you're ready for it. The more conscious you become, I
don't know if you've noticed this, you can't lie to
yourself even for a freaking millisecond anymore. It's like you
have an awareness of something that something's not in alignment.
This relationship, this job, this friendship. You don't have three
months to dilly dally and wait for the perfect time anymore.
It will just break down instantly. And at the beginning

(34:37):
you're like, oh my god, my life is so much
more extreme now. But it's actually because your soul wants
to be on the highest timeline. So it's just not
going to waste time on things that are going to
prevent you from getting there. You know, I really believe
our souls have an ultimate timeline, which is us living
our full expression, us living our dharma, which is we
were born. It like we were born exactly who you

(34:59):
were meant to be. It's just that we forget, you know.
We were born on the highway and our garments at
the end of the highway, and we were born on
cruise control, you know, with the gifts, with the curiosity,
who were meant to be. But then life has all
these exits, right, you'll make more money doing this, Well,
everyone from your town does that. Who do you think
you are to do this? Well, it's too late for

(35:19):
you to do that. When we get off these exits.
And then the universe responds, tap tap tap, something's off.
You feel anxious, you can feel in your body this
isn't meant for you. But most of us we don't
listen because we see everyone else around us is living
this way. So then the universe says, not listening, Okay,
I'll get a little loadder for you. Knock knock, knock,

(35:40):
break down, panic attack, something bigger going on. Some of
us listen, but most of us just drink more coffee,
take more adderall smoke more weed. Whatever the thing is,
keep going that way, and then the universe is like, okay,
I really need to shake things up. Then collision on
your knees, moment, break down, dark end of the soul,
something that is stream to wake you up, and a

(36:04):
cart toll. You know he had to hit, like almost
taking his life for him to wake up. For all
of us, exactly the level that we need to create
that U turn so that resistance that we face is
actually supportive. This is what we call karma. You know,
a lot of people think karma's pose around comes around,

(36:25):
but actually the most ancient term of it is karma
is the bounded action by the universe to keep you
in alignment with your karma, your soul's purpose. It's barricades
at the side of the highway saying hey, don't go
at first, you go off the side of highways your
tires a little bit's like, nah, this isn't the direction
for you. But most of us are like, oh, this

(36:46):
is so annoying. Why is it shaking my car. It's
like I'm trying to shake you to wake you up.
And then we go off. No barricades, do not go
into the bush here. We still go off. It's like, Okay,
you're gonna need to free fall for a little bit,
but I'm gonna make sure you're okay. But you got
to get yourself back up. And maybe the getting yourself
back up is going to require healing every bone in

(37:06):
your body, because that's what you needed to really learn
how to walk. And finally, then when we start to
go towards the direction of our dharma, we start to
listen to our truth. We start to be in conversation
with the universe. We start to realize we were never
the ones driving this car, that we are taking on
a journey, and that life is moving through us. Those

(37:27):
words are moving through us. I don't know what I'm
going to say next. You don't know what's going to
happen next. We're on the ride, and that's how life
is meant to live. We're actually just here to surrender
and be vessels for how life is meant to be
manifested through our incarnation. And so when we sit back
and we take that passenger seat and let the universe
take the ride, then all of a sudden we meet

(37:48):
the right people at the right time that says the
right thing, that brings us to the right moment that
we listen to the podcast, This says the exact thing
that we need. And we pull over the side of
the car. We're like, wait, are they speaking to me
right now? And that's how you know you're on track.
And that feeling flow is called krea. It is boundless
action by the universe to propel you in alignment with

(38:11):
your dharma because the universe wants you to be living
your darma. In fact, what a genius design, because if
it feels good for you to be living your dharma,
you're gonna do it all the time. It doesn't need
to force you. You know what a genius design to
make you love doing it. I love being here sharing
with you. I'm having so much fun. I could do

(38:32):
it for hours. It's helping people too. How freaking cool
is that? But if I was like, oh god, this
isn't really tough, I hope he doesn't ask me another question,
it's not gonna feel it's not gonna feel good, it's
not going to be of service. So the universe designed
you to love to do your darma because it's sustainable.
But actually it's almost like using us as bridges to
raise planetary consciousness. Because if we're all doing the thing

(38:55):
that brings us the highest joint and it's the highest service,
we're creating solutions for all of the world's problems. Because
there's someone who's right now about how to clean the oceans,
and there's someone who's who's visualizing right now how to
make better school systems, and there's someone who's visualizing right
now how to clean up the plastic from our dams.
And there's someone that's naturally excited, naturally designed, naturally in

(39:18):
the prepellation of that thing. So you actually don't need
to force yourself to be someone else. You don't actually
need to force yourself to like really go into this
thing that you don't want to do. It's quite the
opposite of how our school system taught us of Like
you hate math, buckle down on math. No, if you
hate math, you're not designed to be a mathematician. Because
there's love that that that's easy for them, And there's

(39:41):
people who love to speak and that's easy for them.
So the cool thing is is your darmite is the
path of least resistance. It feels easy, it feels wow,
it's that Korea. But to get to the path of
least resistance, you first must go through the path that
you are person suddenly the most resistant too. And the

(40:03):
further along you have moved away from your darma, the
more resistance it will be. But I see it as
your darma is out in open waters. You know, when
you go past the break, it's like open flat waters
in the ocean, and that's your dharma. It's like you
can see the horizon, you can see everything. You can
lie on your back, see the stars. But you got
to go through some gnarlaassid waves first to get there.

(40:24):
That's the prepution, that's the embodiment. That's what teaches you
to become a stronger swimmer and gain tools and gain resilience.
But most people, they're in the sand with everyone they
know from their hometown. They go out into the ocean.
Ones knocks them back to shore. They tried twice, knocks
them back to shore. They say, you know what, I
don't even think these open waters exist. I don't think
there's a path of least resistance. I think it's just

(40:45):
for special people like Sino, like Sahara, like Michael Beck,
with the special ones that I don't know. They were
born with this thing that I wasn't us mere mortals.
We just got to stay here in the sand and
do things that we hate to make money because that's
what everyone around me is doing. But if they just
kept going into the waves and realized the waves were
their training protocol, and even when they'reknopped back, it's like, okay,

(41:08):
how do I get a surfboard? Oh? How do I
learn to hold my breath? Oh? How do I learn
how to duck and maneuver? How do I become stronger
at the flow of life? And then where they know it,
they find themselves out in these open waters and they're like, oh,
this is the path of least resistance that people were
talking about. Now I get it. I can see everything.

(41:29):
Life is meant to feel good every single day. You know,
you were texting me, You're like, I'm seeing dolphins right now.
I'm like, I'm seeing monkeys right now. Life can be
this way. But to get to the path or of
lease resistance, you first must follow the path that you
are personally the most resistant to.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
M Okay, wow, okay.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
When you started the book and starting your practice, what
was the biggest obstacle you're up to.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
What was the loudest voice in your head backed in it? Oh?
What did you have to really?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah, I would say no one cares was a big one.
No one's going to read this book and you're not
going to make money doing this. And once the book
comes out, and I was ready, like I was studying
for a real estate exam, Like, Okay, once this book
comes out, I'll probably just have to like go become
a real estate agent because maybe this is like my
passion thing that I do. And I, you know, check

(42:24):
that off. I wrote a book, guys, and now I'm
here to sell Santa Monica Bullfush.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
It's a great kitchen here. I think you'll love. There's
a school district here. Your kids will love. How old
is see tim?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Yeah, I could never see.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, because again I had never really seen anyone in
my family specifically like they came for me wrong. My
mom was a refugee who fled the war, my dad
an immigrant. No woman in my family's ever worked. I
did not have a model for this at all, So
I thought maybe I you know, And that's the funny thing.
It's like our garment will take us how far that

(42:59):
we So I see a lot of people they'll take
it on as a hobby, and that's a great you know,
when we go through the five stages of dharma, taking
on as a hobby is the beginning because you got
to love doing it, you got to gain experience doing it.
But there's a threshold of oh, I actually want to
be me full time, I want.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
To act hate good down lift.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Because what happens is, you know, at first, like so,
for example, in the five Stages of Dharma, stage one
is just the awareness of I have a purpose. Most
of humanity is not there yet. By the way, most
people don't believe they have a purpose. Most people feel
their purpose is survival. But when you have whatever darkness

(43:44):
of the soul caused you to think, Wow, there is
this soul inside of me that's beyond my personality, this
part of me that's like connected to all that's witnessing life,
and there's an intelligence to everything I've overcome, and there
must be some reason why I'm here. That brings you
into statment. Then State two is how do I become

(44:06):
my best self? Self improvement, you know, mindset, fitness, All
of the personal development in space is really around how
do I become my best self? So a lot of
us go through health journeys, right, we need to clean
up our vessel how to take care of her. Because
if I have horrible digestive issues that I'm sick all
the time, I can't live my purpose. I won't have

(44:27):
the energy and the life force for it. So we
go on these personal development journeys. But that's just stage two.
Most people stop there. Stage three is the spiritual awakening. Now,
this is when you realize there's something that happens in
your life. Divorce, getting fired, health scare, losing a family member.

(44:49):
You're like, huh, maybe I'm not just a mind and
a body to improve, but rather a soul to know.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Maybe say that more time. That's so beautiful say that again.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Please, Maybe I am not just a mind and a
body to improve, but rather a soul to know. Maybe
nothing was ever wrong with me. Maybe I didn't need
to even improve myself. I just didn't know myself. And

(45:21):
so instead of trying to pack my way into becoming
my best self, which is again me fighting against, let
me just get to know who this this being is
that's existing inside and around me. And that's when we
start to get really curious. Who am I? What makes
me come alive? What is my purpose? What is you know,

(45:44):
my astrology, my human design, my past lives. There's so
many systems out there of gnosis to know thyself. So
we go on this journey of deep contemplation and there
becomes a shift. You know, when we're in stage two,
it's around I need to acquire as much information as
I can, Right, how do I get better? How do

(46:07):
I improve? What's the research on that? You know, we're
listening to you know, the Andrew Schubermans and all the things,
and that's very important, right, But when we go into
stage three, we kind of stop like listening to humans,
we start listening to ourselves because we realize there's a
deeper intelligence from within that only I can listen to
when I'm silent enough, and you start to just go

(46:28):
on walks, maybe listening to binormal beats or maybe even
better the birds, maybe just becoming aware of why do
I feel the need to always be listening to someone else?
What am I afraid of hearing within myself? And so
those deeper thoughts, those shadows that you know, that thing
that keeps coming to mind that you're like, oh shit,
I need to go on Instagram. You start sitting with

(46:50):
that thing. That's what shadow work.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
You have to go talk about. Shadow work so important.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yes, So I was so afraid of shadow work. I
was so afraid of pain in my life because like
most of us, we want to live in enjoy and
fun and suffering and not suffering but all the good things,
and we're afraid of the suffering. And what I've realized
is that when we can actually like open up the
hood of the car of like what am I afraid
of feeling, and like go into it and follow the

(47:18):
thread to the bottom of the barrel, get to that
like baseline feeling. So, for example, after my divorce, I
would recognize I would get these feelings of like loneliness,
like this feeling of like, oh, I'm just so alone.
And then the action I would take is go on Instagram,
go on a dating app, go on something to make
this feeling go away. So I would start to do

(47:40):
shadow work of I would just sit on my yoga
mat and lie down and really feel in my body
what is this loneliness that I'm feeling. And I would
feel I'm just tired. I've been working so much. I
just want to be held. And then I would go
into well, aren't I held by Earth? Aren't I held
by God? What does it feel like to just release

(48:01):
my body into this yoga mat and trust that I'm
being held by this earth that is holding me up?
And I would go and then through creating more safety
in my body, I would have a deeper layer thought.
And for me, when I went to the bottom of
the barrel, it was like if I am not in relationship,
then I don't even deserve to live. And that was

(48:21):
the deep bottom of the barrel thought. They really ask myself,
why do I feel the need to connect. It's like
almost like I didn't even think I existed as a
human if I was not in connection. And then I
would ask myself, well, like, imagine if I lived on
top of a mountain by myself and I never talked
to anyone else again, do I then not deserve to live?
I'm like, well, of course I would deserve. Then why

(48:41):
am I acting in this way? And it was because ancestrally,
all of the women in my family had literally sacrificed
their lives for men. That it actually was if you
were not married, you didn't you couldn't live. So that
epigenetic memory was living inside of me that if I
am not in relationship, I will die, and so that

(49:05):
creating that top of the iceberg feeling of I'm lonely,
But it wasn't actually loneliness. The shadow of it was
I need to be in relationship to survive. And when
you shadow work, it's almost always comes back to survival.
It's almost always I don't do this thing, or I
do this thing, I will die. And again, only when

(49:27):
we get to the bondom through asking ourselves why why
do I feel this way? Why do I feel this way?
That we realize that we're living our lives based on
false beliefs, false narratives that on a deep level we
believe are true. And then are making all these decisions
in our lives and feeling this way. But it's never
the surface level thing, it's always the bottom. So the

(49:49):
shadows have taught me so much, they've gifted me everything.
When we can really feel the depth of our pain,
we're no longer afraid of it, And then we're no
longer making decisions in our lives to run from pain,
which is how most of the world is operating. We're
like little ants. Oh god, there's something scary over here.
Let me move away. Oh God, there's something scary. But

(50:10):
when we can integrate that serpentine energy, like why are
we so afraid of the snake? In the collective right,
the snake is the shadow. The snake is the underworld.
And when you're aware of this, of the shadow doesn't
make it go away. Me not geting attention to be
going la la la, shadows don't exist. It doesn't make
it go away. Now it's just behind me and I

(50:32):
can't see it, and that's me in that. But when
I start to look at that snake in the eye
and I say, I'm not afraid of you. I see
that you're just a call for love. I see that
you're just a part of me. And then I learned
to dance with the snake, and I learned to become
one with this snake. And then I start to shed

(50:53):
my skin like the snake. And then there's this beautiful
integration that happens. There's a certain way that people who
have done shadow work walk through the world. It's almost
like we recognize each other of this fearlessness, but this liberation.
There's such a liberation that happens when you are genuinely
not afraid to go to any corner of your consciousness,

(51:15):
because we all have lots of our consciousness that are like, oh,
don't go there. Oh, don't bring up the X, Oh,
don't bring up the relationship with the dad, because if
I go there, I'm gonna lose myself, you know, so
afraid of doing shadow work, and I know I felt
this way of like if I really felt the pain
I'm feeling in my heart, I might cry for the
rest of my life and never find my way to

(51:35):
the other side of this. Let me not touch it.
But we don't touch it. It's like a trash bag
that's sitting on the corner of our kitchen and it
just starts to rot. And ferment, and it's like, I'm
gonna smell so bad until and seep into every area
of your life until you take me out. And so
you sometimes got to sift through it, and then when

(51:56):
you start to look at it, you're like, huh, this
was just my desire to feel loved, and this was
just this person's pain that was passed on to them.
There's someone else that they didn't know how else to be,
and you start to have such compassion, and you know,
I remember after my ex husband told me about his
ongoing and felt he actually confessed it to me through

(52:17):
sitting with plant medicine, and I was beyond shocked. But
this deeper energy of Kwanyan came through me, and Kwanyan
is the goddess of compassion. And of course, like on
a logical level, I had every right to be angry,
but my higher self knew, Wow, you are witnessing someone
speak their truth for the first time. And what a blessing,

(52:42):
what a miracle that is to witness the deepest shadow
that someone has been holding onto, a pattern he has
been holding onto since his childhood as a way of
coping with his trauma. That I also he never felt
even safe enough to tell me about that. What a
miracle that in this moment this shadow was able to
come to life. And yes, the human part of me

(53:04):
was wronged. The highest self part of me knew our
souls chose to do this dance together because it was
only through that passing the torch of liberation that I
was able to ask myself, well if I was if
this is my mirror? And I was imagine, what are
the shadows within me that I'm not looking at as
my greatest awakening yet? So I share this because of

(53:29):
course I'm not saying force yourself to go into pain.
But life is a ceremony and life will show us.
And it's that very reason why you think I can't
live the life I want because of that's the path,
that's the way forward.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Boom wow Okay, holy cap, that's so beautiful. Thank you
for that. Sorry, let's talk about emancipation from other people's approval. Yeah,
tell me your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
We are all basing our approval based on what we
have been made to believe will keep us safe. So
in our parents' time, they grew up in time there's
no internet, so what they rightfully have believed to make
them safe is get a stable job, you know, make
sure you get pension, get the corner office, climb the

(54:22):
corporate ladder, don't stand out and stay consistent for as
long as possible with the same thing, because that's going
to lead to eternal safety. So of course their advice
is going to come from their scope of knowledge, and
so what they approve of or disapprove of is going
to be based on the actions they have taken in
their own lives. Some people the awareness of wow, I

(54:45):
could have played a little bit bigger, or wow, the
world has shifted, But most people still today, I feel,
don't want to feel like they could have done something differently,
so they would rather think or pretend to think that
they've done it right and this is the way, and
I know the way, and that's the thing. Age doesn't

(55:06):
necessarily always mean wisdom, because the world is changing so
much that they may have wisdom in certain areas of
their life, but when it comes to other things like
you know, how could we have known even fifteen years
ago about podcasting. It didn't even exist. So of course,
when we're saying I'm going to start a podcast and
have deep conversations about spirituality, and transformation in our alchemy.

(55:28):
People are gonna be like, what are you? What are
you smoking? You're delusional, you're crazy. So of course we're
going to disapprove of something that they don't understand. And
on a deeper level, when I really sat with this
and with the medicine, I realized that we're all like
little children going through life. Try and get that pat
on the head from the parent, from the person. You're
doing it right, You're doing a good job. This is

(55:49):
how things should be. And we're all going through life.
Am I doing it right? Is this right? Is that right?
Guess why? Guys? No one knows? See don't does it? No?
I don't know. We don't freaking know. We don't know.
We're doing right now, by the way, And when we
realized this, I started to realize the most toxic word
that I was telling myself every single day. Do you

(56:11):
know what that word was? Can you guess?

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Oh? Boy, I don't know what is it?

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Should?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Should? Oh?

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yes? Should? I?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Well?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Should if I do this? Should that?

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Should?

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Shuit? When I was sitting with aauasca, I had so
many questions, but should should that? Should that? And every
time I said the word should, I would start to vomit.
There was no other time in the ceremony I would
want to vomit until the words should would come into
my mind, and the medicine said, do you see what
this word is doing to you? It's making you sick?

(56:48):
And I realized that I was living my entire life
thinking that there is a right or a wrong path,
and if I just get it right, I'll be on
the path of eternal safety and security and happiness till death.
Do his partner, you know, but there is no should
because there is no right, there is no wrong. There's
certain lessons that your soul needs that there's no avoiding,

(57:09):
and I know that's hard, right, but there's certain pars
that It's like you had to do that dance, you
had to meet that person that had to break your heart.
It couldn't have gone another way. It was predestined, it
was pre ridden, it was It was an entanglement that
both of you needed for your own way. And what

(57:31):
the free will comes in is how quickly do I
transmute it? How quickly do I learn the lesson? Do
I surrender into it and put my hands up like
on a roller coaster and say I'm going to lung
for the ride, spirit lead me, or do I try
to hold onto the grips at the end and try
to control the roller coaster as if that's going to
make it stop.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Wow, woh woh woh.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Okay, beautiful, let me talk about divine feminine music, dance.
How you put it together so beautifully. I let you
know sometimes I've sent your video out of your music videos,
I said, this is what freedom looks like.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
This is it right here, this is what freedom looks like.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Talk about that process, how you brought that all, because
it's really beautiful. And I encourage all my viewers to
listen to all her podcasts and her videos just talk
about because it's so Actually, I.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Think you're the best person in the world who's doing
this right now. Honestly.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Sure. So you're so sweet. Because I come from a
country where dance and music is illegal, I'm not able
to go back to my home country anymore because of this.
In Iran, music is illegal, dance is legal, expression is illegal.
So what I have gone through against for my dharma
is literally never being able to go to my home country.
I mean insane like fear for my family who still

(58:53):
to this day don't approve from it, but it's like
your soul will put you in whatever. It's like, you're
going to have these send a desire for music and
express and you're going to be born in the country
that's going to kill you for it. And that's the
reality that.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Our soul speak out there.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, I through you know, when you go through something
really big in life, and I'm sure people listening can resonate.
After my heartbreak, I was just broken, wide open, and
when I would listen to music, I would just hear
it on a deeper level than I've ever heard it before.
And I was like, damn, was music always like this?
Like do they always have these layers and these ad libs?

(59:32):
Because when you're listening to music and you're busy, you're
going through life, you're in your thoughts. But when you're
like busted wide open like that and there's like no thoughts,
just feelings, you're experiencing life on such a deeper level.
So I started to hear music on a deeper level,
and through that, I started to start coming up with

(59:53):
melodies and top lines. I didn't even know I had
this gift. I had never produced music in my entire life,
and I started to just cord myself on my phone,
and I started to get curious on YouTube how to
produce music, and I start looking up how to get
samples of things and start just piecing it together. And
I chose to become celibate, like to not engage with

(01:00:15):
any person and use my sexual energy towards creative energy, which,
by the way, our sacral chukra, which is our second
energy center, is in charge of our sexuality or sensuality
or creativity, our pleasure, our abundance, and so this is
really the seat of the divine feminine. Now most of
us are using our sexual energy towards trying to get

(01:00:35):
trying to seek, trying to gain attention. But if we
can actually recycle this energy and move it through our bodies,
open up our hearts, and open up our pinial gland,
we become creative geniuses. Most of us are telling it,
and especially in the collective right now, if sexual energy
is the strongest energy that's created life, a lot of

(01:00:56):
people are shooting their greatest life for us towards pornography
right which I know shared your own experience of being
forced into that world, and think about it, we're sharing
our manifestation energy into this fake thing that it's often
trafficked people against their will, and we're putting our most

(01:01:17):
precious life force energy towards that matrix, which is why
it is the fastest moving matrix in the world. It's
like eighty percent of the Internet. So imagine if we
instead use that life force energy when we feel that
sexual energy, meditated on it, breathe into it, and brought
it up our chakras, all of a sudden, this creativity

(01:01:37):
comes alive. So I started to produce music. And once
I started producing music, I never thought I could sing
or do anything on it. If you ask me, what's
the thing you're like really bad at in life, I
would say singing for sure. Never had that gift. And
then I made the song and I'm like looking like, okay,
how do I find an artist to go on the song?
And then there was an affirmation. I just kept telling
myself in my head when I was in this unknown

(01:01:59):
I didn't know where I was gonna live. To know
what's happening, I would just tell myself in my head.

Speaker 5 (01:02:03):
Trust flows, render, let go, trust flowstter, let go trust flows, render,
let go.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I'm the one I have the wait info, and so
I just recorded that's so good. I love it probeat
song and I'm like, I've never heard of the affirmation
afrobeats music, but let's just try this, and then I
just put it out. Like again, I think I just
don't overthink things. Sometimes I'm like, let me just like

(01:02:34):
put it out and see what happens. And I'm like, okay,
I guess I need a music video for it. To
put it out, so I like went in these I
was in Portugal by myself and I just went on
these WhatsApp groups. I found some videographers. She even speak English,
and we just went onto the beach and I was
just listening to the song on my phone and like
pretending to be in a music video again. Never done this.
Me and a random videographer and I'm like, okay, this
is gonna be the music video.

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Edited it myself and then I just treated it like
a music video launch and I put it out and
people are like, wow, I really actually like this. And
then I'm like wow, people like it, let me make
another one, and then let me make another one. And
then I start to just take these things that I
would say to myself, like you know, because I also
believe that dance is the most healing energy. You know,
when it's actually a really interesting story that you might like.

(01:03:18):
But after the Rwandan genocide in the early nineties, the
US government sent the top psychiatrists to work with the
victims of the genocide, and after a couple of days,
the village kicked them out. And the government was like, hey,
why did you kick out these top psychiatrists we sent

(01:03:38):
to help you overcome this? And they're like, no, no, no, sir,
I think you sent the wrong people. They're like why.

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
So they're like, because in Rwanda, the way that we
heal is we dance and we sing, and we hold
hands and we drum and we go under the stars
and the sun. We don't sit alone in a dark
room and keep talking about what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Happened that make us sick. So please send your people home.
And it just shows Yeah, this Western model of in
healing through trauma is just to keep analyzing it again
and again and again, and look, there's a time and
space for that, but at a certain point you just
need to be like, you know what, I'll never understand
fully why that person did what they did, because if

(01:04:20):
I did, I would be like them, and I can
have combastionion for them, but I actually don't want to
deeply understand because then I will be going into that
kind of consciousness. And it's not even about why they
did what they did, but it's about how is this
the springboard for me now to become the version of
me I could have never been without this and through

(01:04:41):
using the healing and ancient ancestral gifts of music, dance,
ritual poetry, which is how our ancestors have healed through millennia.
We raise our vibration, We're able to heal from a
higher level perspective through me creating that music, I'm so great.
It helped other people, it was mostly for me because

(01:05:03):
when I would be crying in despair and wondering how
my beloved husband could have been lying to me the
entire time and in just such a dark place, and
then I would like listen to the song that I made,
I would be like, Wow, I'm a bad bitch. I've
made that. I made that straight up jarre what he thinks.
I love myself, and it would give me a little
bit of confidence, a little bit more and a little

(01:05:25):
bit more and to do things that we're proud of
is how we gain confidence and so music, dance, healing
and living or armah. This is how our souls were
meant to express. And honestly, if you're in it right now,
it's like forget about how people are going to receive it.
It's like, what do you really need right now, Like
make a song for you to just listen, to write

(01:05:45):
a poem for you to just read. And what I
find happens is the right souls who need it to
I'll find you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Amen right on one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, well you'll appreciate this art because I've actually blessed
to work with genocide survivors in Rwanda and shown soldiers
in Northern Uganda. And when I was asked to go
work with them, I was asking what was what was
happening and what you mentioned? And what really worked is
when we dance with James about James Brown music, I
feel good. That's what worked more than anything throwing their frisbee,

(01:06:18):
throwing the football, not this bullshit trying to convert them
to Christianity or anything else. It was music because that's
the get down. It was music and seeing my goofy
asked dance, That's what put their smiles because they saw
the vulnerability and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
They knew I was real. So I love you for that. Wow. Okay, Okay, what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I'm assuming in your practice and all the thousands of
people that passed through a lot of addiction, do you
see a lot of addiction?

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
And and tell me about some of your techniques that
you've helped people overcome their addiction, get out of bad relationships,
you know in that Horrible Dance.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Fascinate with what you're doing out there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
There's a method in my embodiment certification called Triple E.
So the triple E method stands for emote, embody and express.
So the first is to feel that thing, feel the feeling.
So for a lot of us, especially when we're through
a trauma, it's like when you first wake up. It's
that feeling of like, oh shit, this is my reality
and it hits you almost like in fifty First Dates

(01:07:25):
when you like rewatch the movie of your life and
you're like, oh my god, I can't believe this is
my life right now. And so for a lot of people,
it's like first thing in the morning, whenever the you're
starting to feel that emotion, to let yourself feel it. Cry,
punch a pillow, scream into the pillow, shake, whatever the
thing is. We can't bypass that feeling because it will

(01:07:46):
just start to manifest and find its way somewhere else.
So feel it through. And you know, research has found
that you can actually really only feel an emotion fully
for ninety seconds, So most of us spend a lifetime
trying and not feel a feeling that. My dad was
very angry growing up, and he was anything would trigger
his anger, trigger's anger because he never actually felt his anger.

(01:08:08):
So the angers are the ones who never actually felt
their anger, and right come like that teapot that like
any opportunity to feel a little bit of that anger,
like any little bit of steam that can come out.
They're like, oh, there's opportunity there. Let me feel a
little bit of it. Opportuning there. But if he actually fully,
like did a rage ritual and like let his inner

(01:08:29):
child scream and mote, you know, I think he's probably
an overachiever. He'd have more than ninety seconds. Some of
us know a little bit more. But to really let
yourself feel that anger in a safe container where it's
not directed to anyone, but it's just a raw emotion
that wants to be passed through, because, especially when it
comes to anger, we're very afraid of this emotion because
of the way that it can affect other people. But

(01:08:51):
there is a righteous anger and a sacred anger, and
that's that like letting yourself feel that anger, but without
blaming anyone else for it, making anyone else be the
bystander of it. So men tend to default more towards anger.
Women tend to default more towards sadness. Women tend to
have a hard time feeling our anger because of the

(01:09:11):
way that society has made us kind of like put
away the angry woman. Like, if you're an anger woman, no
one wants to be around you. You're you're you're the witch.
You're you're just guarding our society. So from the time
we were young, we kind of learned there's no space
for my anger here. Whereas men, it was more accepted.
They could challenge the sports. Yeah, I use that anger,

(01:09:31):
take a fight. It was why sadness was not so
accepted for them. So for women, we often instead of
feeling anger, we break down in default into sadness. So
a practice is to actually like try to feel your
anger and not just crumble down, try to really like
that vibration. More So, practice that I actually did that

(01:09:54):
was very helpful was there was a man who just
embodied the masculine and I was to say say, any
anger I ever felt towards any man in my entire
life towards him, and he just listened and held that
space without reacting. And at first it was like, I
understand that you have gone through collective pain and you
know I'm coming with my compassion. He's like, no, feel

(01:10:16):
the anger. And it was so hard for me to
do because again, as women, we just naturally become so
nurturing and empathetic an understanding, so to really go into
that rage. And then he actually had me like push
him as hard as I could, and he would push back,
and I would have to push him more until I
could really feel like, almost like an NFL player, that

(01:10:36):
like rage that needed to come through me from a
lifetime of never feeling it. So that was a very
powerful practice of the emote. For men, it's often it's
that sadness, it's that feminine that they have for press
from the time you're a kid, Oh don't don't cry,
don't be a little bitch, don't are you a girl?
Pick yourself back up, so to let yourself crumble, to

(01:11:00):
let yourself feel it all. And you know, I find
for men going often to coaches that are women because
sometimes with other men they still feel this feeling that
we need to keep up the facade. And men's coaches
are really great for like direction and counsel and sometimes
going to someone with that like motherly nurturing energy to
because what happens is sometimes men don't do it, and

(01:11:22):
then they bring it to their partner and then the
partner doesn't know what to do with it, and it
can be almost like a bit depolarizing in a relationship
because then the partner can take the mother role, which
is not what your partner is for. So men need
female healers as well to bring that energy, that safe,

(01:11:43):
nurturing female energy. But I find most men they don't,
they don't seek help, right and then so then when
they finally do, they bring everything to their partner and
then the partner doesn't know what to do with it,
and then that triggers her unsafety and then creates this
and then the men are like, see, this is why
I was never vulnerable with you. You and then creates that
we're their fulfillment of that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
So we all we all need.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Counselor, and it's often the integration of that thing that
we have a hard time with. So I'm out embody. Now.
Embody is using your body to feel what it is
you want to experience. So if I want to feel
deeply held, can I play a song like an African
drum song and feel myself deeply held by earth? If
I want to feel loved, can I play a love

(01:12:25):
song but sing it to myself and touch my body
and face the way that I wish a lover would
touch me. If I want to feel joy can I
play a song that makes me feel so joyful and
jump around my room and at first feels like a stretch.
You're like, I don't feel like this at all, But
the body mind will follow what the body does, and
I guarantee you guy the end of the song, will

(01:12:46):
you will feel more that way. So even just one song,
I have playlists for different moods that I want to feel,
So using your body to feel that way. So at first,
be honest with yourself. If you don't feel that way,
be honest with the part of you that feels small,
but maybe that small part of you start to open
up a little bit more, open up a little bit more,
stretch out your arms a little bit more, and before
you know it, you feel big, which was the intention

(01:13:09):
you wanted to embody. And then from that that you're
embodying that desire that that intention express, turn it into
something greater than you, whether it's writing a poem or
recording a voice memo, or making a song or painting
something like I always would have like just a water

(01:13:31):
color on my table, because something really easy and like
pretty mess for you could just have your little jar
of water. I would just draw whatever it is that
came to mind. That's the method that actually worthed my album.
It was through feeling all those things that I love
that another thing that kept telling it coming to me
was maybe this love story is really about me because
I find that we go through heartbreak where like, and

(01:13:55):
this will all be done when I find the love
of my life. This will all be worth it when
I'm then in that relationship where I feel fully seen
and met. So then the focus becomes about finding the
better relationship. And then I realized, after many years, maybe
it's not about the better relationship. But it's about the
relationship with me. Maybe this love story is really about
who I've become. And so through saying that to myself

(01:14:18):
in my head again and again and again, it turned
into a song. I traveled across oceans, rebirthed myself and sees,
asked my ancestors for guidance, find myself on my knees,
left what I knew as home, made friends with uncertainty,
saw him as he was let go of the fantasy.
I could keep going, but that just those words.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
That were that is age get Oh my god, that's
so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Oh that's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That song. I did not want to rely. It wasn't
even it was like a poem, and I just put
it over a drum beat, and I didn't want to
release it because it was literally the pages of what
I wrote after this practice. But then I just felt like,
you know, we always make music to be like up
beat and you know, fun, and then I was like,
the thing that actually made me want to write all
of this was that feeling, that emotion, and so I

(01:15:10):
just put it out the last song on the album.
And what's crazy is it ended up being like one
of the biggest songs just because of the rawness and
the realness of it. So emote, embody, and express. And
this is the method I teach in my embodiment certification
that you then can guide other people through.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
That's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
So listen, we just got a few minutes left. I'm
just gonna ask a couple quick questions. Who's been the
most inspiring teacher for you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
I would say Earth, you know, looking at Earth, receiving
her lessons. And the biggest lesson that Earth and plants
have taught me is that there is a chapter in
season to everything in life. And you know those times
that you feel like despair or aloneness and you're like,
am I going to be alone forever? Am I going

(01:15:55):
to feel like this forever? I look at a flower
and I'm like, nothing like forever. How cute of me
to even think that, you know, a rose it has
petals and the beauty of a rose. Like we can't
get to the body. Sometimes we're just trying to get
to the bottom of things. If I just know the answer,
if I just find my purpose, if I just get
the relationship, It's like tearing apart a rose to get

(01:16:17):
to the bottom of it. But what makes a rose
so beautiful is that pedal by pedal, by pedal by pedal,
it creates this beautiful, sacred geometry, and it will unpedal.
The lessons will unravel to you in perfect divine PRIs.
You know another thing that came to me, which I'm
going to make into a song is trust the path.

(01:16:38):
Let it all unfold. Just release the control, trust the path,
Let it all unfold. Just release the control. And when
I look at nature and I realize that like everything
has its moment, it's its cycle, everything has its stage,
How could I ever think anything could last for forever
when I too am a part of this that has

(01:16:59):
been the greatest, like humbling and universal. And then you
think back on times of your life that you're like, wow,
that was like I lived in that home and I
had these friends, I had this prinner, and that was
my life. That's what I knew life to be. And
how none of that exists? And then you're like, I
wonder what other entirely new realities that I have not

(01:17:22):
even could not even dream of yet are going to exist?
And then you realize everything is a moment, everything is
a chapter, and one day you're going to be romanticizing
the chapter that you're in. You're gonna be like, oh god,
those broke days when I was so free, it was
so amazing, you know, just in that part of your memoir.

(01:17:44):
Yeah right, knowing that everything will.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Pass final thoughts to everybody, what's dropping in for you?

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Just to really be humbled? I would say by nature,
you know I was. I was in Dubai for a
couple months before this. And of course there's the beauty
that humans can construct. We can make beautiful hotels and
restaurants and skyscrapers and so many things. But the intelligence
that Earth creates is unlike anything else. And I really
feel we would find I can't even say the solution

(01:18:16):
because there's no solution. We would not even have those problems,
We would not even perceive them as problems if we
all spent more time in nature.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Mmmmmm well. Special love to the Rev. Michael Beckworth from Legapi.
He brought us together. I'm so grateful you went up
to Deep Pocket and said, yo, brother, check me out,
because that's why you're here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
You are.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
You cracked my heart today, you really did. You're a
really special human being and you taught me a lot
today and you made me a better man, and I
just want to say thank you for that, and thank
you to all our listeners because you are something else.
You're a real force and a kind soul, and I
just want to say thank you and really grateful you
made time for us today.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Thank you well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Thank you so much for having me, allowing me to
share part of my story. And for those of you listening,
please share with me on social media if you listen
to this your takeaways. I'm always so curious to see
the intelligence of life and how life puts like the
exact people that need to hear the message and like
what message it was. And I'm like, wow, we're really
like like vessels for this information. So send me on Instagram.

(01:19:23):
I am Saharose in my website I am Saharros dot com.
My schools called Highest Self Institute. If you'd like to
get certified as a spiritual life coach a dim soule
purpose which we're an embodiment coach as well as you
can find that at Highest Self Institute dot com.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
How about that? All right? Godspeed? Godspeed. The Sales Show
is a production of iHeartPodcasts hosted by me Cina McFarlane.
Produced by pod People in twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
Av Our lead producer is Keith Carlik, Our executive producer
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