November 5, 2025 • 62 mins
On this episode, Johnny Knoxville joins Seano McFarland for a candid conversation about the wild ride of creating Jackass, the power of friendship, and the art of turning chaos into comedy. Johnny opens up about his upbringing, the challenges of fame, and the importance of self-forgiveness. From near-misses with bulls to the bonds that kept the crew together, this is a raw and inspiring look at resilience, creativity, and finding peace after the madness.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As soon as I get out, like four carloads pull
up and guns out and they ordered me to get down.
But the first lady on the scene, the cop, she
didn't put her car in park when she jumped out,
and it car ran into a telephone pole right in
front of me. I'm like, oh no, the other pissed
MTV couldn't film in West Hollywood for like ten or
fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
After that, you come online again. Yes, then you look
in the mirror and it's trying to try, who in
the fuck am I? What's important right now?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Forgive myself for what I just went through, and kind
of look at myself and really need to get her
rid of the things that don't serve me, don't serve
my kids, try and be at peace because I'd been
at war with myself for so long.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Some people tip throw through life, try not to get hurt.
Others run straight right into the fire. Laughing, bleeding is
somehow finding beauty in the wreckage. My guest today is
one of those rare ones. A man who made chaos
a craft, who turned pain into performance art and gave
a generation permission to fill alive. Johnny Knoxville didn't just
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break bones he broke rules, broke molds, and broke open
what comedy could be. There's poetry in the madness, there's
truth in the bruise, and somewhere in between all the noise,
he found his own kind of piece, the kind you earn,
brother man. Welcome to the Sino Show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
What an intro geez now' I'm humbled in that shirt.
Oh my goodness, right, just hotter than a Saint Louis laundromatic.
So well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First off, happy twenty fifth anniversary for Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, twenty five years did I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But is this an accurate number? Three hundred and fifty
six million dollars box office total?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, you'd have to ask someone else. I don't have
any clue, no idea. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's impressive. You put a lot of people to work too,
that's impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, that's the fun part, like working with your friends.
We managed to think of something where we can hire
our friends and let me tell you that's good and
bad scene. Yeah, we have some real questionable hires.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, it's some very questionable. Yeah, you didn't have any
chart apartment back that did you.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, people are the pits.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Manny's our safety guy when we work with alligators, and
he's the guy who swims in the swamps and Florida
at night with a miner's light on and old.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Lift gators up at the surface.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So we were shooting this one scene and Mandy's safety
plan was, Okay, Steve O, if one of the alligators
bite him, hopefully he will let go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
That was the That was it. That was it, and
you guys of course said it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, we managed to get it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh yeah, we're gonna get into that little bit. But
let's let's go back a little bit. Let's go back
to young Johnny. Yes, Knoxville, Tennessee. Yes, huh, happy kid,
go lucky kid.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I was pretty out. I was really outgoing. My father
was introverted, extrovert. He was very loud and funny, but
when he just wanted to sit and watch TV, he
just wanted to kind of tune everyone out. But so
I was very outgoing. But I was also kind of
nervous because my father also drank. And you don't know,
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as a kid, you know, you're sitting in school wondering
what's it going to be like at home that night?
You know, it was very destabilizing because he was either
the funniest guy on the planet or he just handled
liquor terribly and just just came home and just started
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fights with my mother, and it was very combative.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
How did that influence you over the years?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh, it gave me all kinds of great habits. It's
very constructive. You try to please. If I make everyone happy,
maybe he won't drink. You kind of think it's your fault.
You learn to keep secrets because you don't want everybody
knowing your dad's drunk. And a lot of times people
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wouldn't know. He didn't do a lot of that stuff
publicly every now and then. So it's not a good
thing to learn, right, And it took a lot of
years to understand that and how to attempt to shake
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that off because you don't even know you're doing it right.
You don't know if you don't do any work on yourself,
for you just go through life repeating some of the
same bullshit. Right, you know, your male role model, that's
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your male role model. When he wasn't drinking, he was amazing.
But I'm just talking about the times when he was
drinking and it was very scary.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Did he ever get sober?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
After his quadruple bypass? And around two thousand one he
cut almost all the way back. Every now and then
my sisters or mom would catch him sneaking a beer
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or two. But he never went on benders after that.
And I'd moved out to la by then, right, I'd
moved out month after high school. Actually, I'm like, I'm
not I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So let's let's go back a little bit. But what
what were you? What was high school like for you?
Were you the funny guy? Were you the prankster guy?
Were you a shy guy? Sports a sports fan.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was never a shy guy. I was always loud
and and I I was trying to be funny, didn't
always land, you know, you know, I I think when
I was even younger than that, I was trying to
be funny, but I was like a little rattlesnake who
couldn't control his venom. Yeah, there was no idea of
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tone that takes work. Brother, So when high school I
played baseball. I love baseball, and it's the only thing
I was ever kind of pretty good at and I
just absolutely yesterday I went to after boxing and I
went to this baseball academy down on Venice to take swings.
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I like working on my swing that. I love it.
It's so fun. Good for you, brother, Yeah, it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
How often you do that?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't get to do it a lot. Maybe once
every I'm trying to do it like once a month,
but once every six weeks. You got to do it
a little more to dial it in. But it's so fun.
It keeps my brain going. Yeah, learning new or old things.
You know again.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Baseball University of Tennessee, big fan.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh my god, they break my heart on a regular basis.
But we're actually pretty good this year in football, so
I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We had the great Willie Galton a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, you know he still has a bunch of records
at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, he was amazing. He played for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, yeah, won a Super Bowl with him.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He was a really big personality of my childhood because
everything was Tennessee balls, football and like Willie Gaulton right,
turd kickoffs, punts, psych. Yeah, I remember Willie Galton.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But when was when did you make the decision. I
gotta get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think I was in about eighth or ninth grade,
and I don't know what. I just sitting in bed
and was like, wow, maybe I can be an actor,
just trying to think of different ways. I didn't have
to work for a living, you know, like acting, I
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don't you know, what do you do? And that guy?
I got locked in on that. And it wasn't until
probably juniors. I was like, well, where am I going
to go? And I looked at the tuition for NYU
and I was like, well, not going to go there.
And I read somewhere that the American Academy of Dramatic
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Arts was auditioning people in Atlanta, and I'm like, well,
I'll go audition in Atlanta for this school. Drove down
to Atlant's like four hours away, did a monologue and
apparently they were taking everybody because oh my god, I
was so wooden and just what was it?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You remember the monologue?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He did no something about smoking a pipe. I don't
know what's so unusual about smoking a pipe. I don't
remember where it was from, but I just demolished it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh wow. But they said, oh, we have a spot
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They did.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, somehow before we get here, was on the road
a big influence for you. Yeah, yeah, I'd opened your
world a little bit. If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's one of the things that made me want to
go to see what is outside of Knoxville. I didn't
know people lived like that, and in my mind they
were so free and it gave me a great yearning.
I was sitting I was fourteen, sitting in a bar
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with my cousin. He's a country singer, Roger, and he
handed me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The book Oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And it was. He's done many wonderful things for me,
but that was one of the best. Wow, because it
just it just kind of blew the top of my
head off, Like like when I read Fear and Lowl
in Las Vegas. I didn't know people could write like that,
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just how I didn't know people could live like that.
With Jack Carowacken on the road, it is just those
were a couple of big moments for me.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So you get to Los Angeles. Were you excited, were
you nervous? Did your parents support it?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Were you like, well, my mom and dad both wanted
me to come home. Like when I left, Mom couldn't
even come out on the carport to say goodbye. She
was so sad. Say goodbye inside the house. But she's like,
m man, I get so emotional these days.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's it's all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's good. Brother. Your brain's working, right, that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
But yeah, she didn't want to come outside, and Dad
didn't want me to go. He's like, well, how long
you think you'll need out there? Six months? I'm like no.
But with that said, like starting off, I didn't have
a lot of money. I was living out there, and
they were helping me a lot. They always helped me,
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you know, with mine because I just had a lot
of asthma medication and whatnot, or just they would Dad
would say, go down to the Western Onion and I
sent you a little money.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, So they were very they were very supportive once
I was here.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So, and what was it like when you were here?
Was it like was it being in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It was just fast, faster and disaster. You know. I
was like, I wanted to come out to act, but
apparently I just came out to drink and hang out.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Wow, so you're you're starting party pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, And I was taking acting classes but I was
so green, right, and I was terrified of the camera,
absolutely terrified. Just my shoulders go up and I'm just tense.
And that took just taking classes and doing it and
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you eventually get over that. But it was it was
like a almost a paralyzing thing for me at first. Wow,
now I'm completely comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
But then it was interesting. Yeah, and you got a
gig at a magazine.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I had a baby on the way. Oh my oldest Madison.
Her mom says, we have a baby on the way,
and I was I was scared.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hold were you?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Then when I found out I was twenty three when
she was born, I was twenty four. Wow, and I
was like what can I do? But it really made
me get my shit together. You know. I lived next
door to Antoine Fuquah and he's like, go see this
casting director. Show up. You get an agent. Wonderful thing
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Antwine did. Wow. And my friend John Linson, he's like
he knew that I was trying to write, and he said,
go see this magazine editor. So I went down there
and they gave me some gigs writing and so then
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I got an agent, started auditioning, went a whole year,
over a year without a callback. Wow. And then I
talked to this one actor, Clint call worked all the time, Like, Clint,
how do you book so many commercials? He's like, you
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gotta do something funny with your eyes when you slate
your name. I'm like, get out of here. He's like no,
I'm like all right. So then I was like, hello,
I'm Johnny Knoxville, you know, and just really made a
meal out of that. Yeah, And I started booking. I
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booked so much after that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Good different on the actors out there, right, just do
some wacky shit, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just because in the first few seconds they're like, oh okay,
I like this person. Wow. I had a lot of
people doing a lot of nice things for me a
long way, including you. See. No, I've been very lucky.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, you've been very lucky. But I'm going to stay
on that theme, buddy, You've been very lucky.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I've made my own luck.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You made your own luck. And one of the things
I love about you, and it's a long fucking list,
is your loyalty to people. You don't forget people that
have been kind to you and gracious to you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
No, I don't know how you forget.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That most people forget. You don't forget no, because where
would I be right? You know, where would I be right?
I think we know I wouldn't be here, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Know, no, no, no, So why did you know you
were a good writer? Did you Why did they hire
you to be a writer? Did you send a sample
in they said this guy can write?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Or was it maybe? Yeah, maybe I sense some kind
of sample in And then I don't know. I think
I had more personality than writing ability. You know, I
don't know. But they gave me a gig and I
started again. Hunter was a big influence on me, and
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you know, his style of participatory journalism. I'm like, oh, well,
I need to start inserting myself into the articles. And
then that led to, oh, why don't I do an
article on self defense equipment where I test all the
devices out on myself and then shoot myself in the
chest with bulletproof vest right, And that was my poor
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attempt at being Hunter in my larger attempt at supporting
my family. That was my big move.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That was your big move.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That was my big move.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But that move gained the attention mister Spike Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, yes, because the editor of Big Brother magazine was
Jeff Tremaine and he's the director of jack Ass and
my partner with Spike and Jackass. Jeff and I were
trying to think of a show to do and we
had sort of an idea and Jeff's like, why, hey,
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you want to call Spike to see if he wants
to do it with us.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I was like, yeah, because had he done Malkovich?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes he was, he was in the process of doing Malkovich,
but he was the.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Hottest music video director of all time at that time, right,
he was just right, yeah, see, you give him.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
A shout and we tell him our idea and you know,
we want to do this, you know, you know, stunts
and pranks, but we might be behind the desk or
He's like, I think you guys are already doing the show.
I'm like, we're like what because the Big Brother videos
were just pranks and some stunts. That's what I have.
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It's a lot of my articles we just filmed and
put straight into the videos. And he goes, I think
you guys are already doing it. It doesn't need to
be like really formatted. And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we knew that. We knew nothing. So it was just
Big Brother videos without the skating.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right, wow. Then you guys start pitching the show.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, we pitched to At first, we pitched to HBO.
We let Spike do the talking because he's the big
man on campus. Boy, did that not go good. He
kept getting lost in like his thoughts. He's like, eh
ah in his defense, Jeff and I didn't jump in
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with anything. Yeah, and then it got and that was
the good part. It got really bad when we put
in the eight minute tape of what the show was
and I forgot who the lady was, but it was
crickets like a tumbleweed rolled across the office. It was hilarious.
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We're like, well, can't go any worse than that. And
the next couple of pitches were with Comedy Central and MTV,
and they both wanted it so right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is this is this true?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Boy?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Is? When it came out within ten weeks, you were
on the cover of Rolling Stone.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Someone someone brought that up to me the other day
and yeah, that's true. Came out in October and by
December or January, I was filming the cover of the
Rolling Stone.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, wow, it's I looked it up and got the
Jockstrap on that it's a great cover, right.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So nothing worse than a hillbilly with a hit record.
My line that was whose line was that from one
of the greatest things might Judge ever did? It's tails
from the tour Bus, And it was the one on
Johnny Paycheck the country singer and his band members are
talking about Johnny Paycheck's bad behavior, and yeah, that's what
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one of the band members said about him.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And what does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I had a hit record and I was, you know,
just absolutely going for it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What was it like having that fame at that age?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And and well I wasn't a young man. I was
twenty nine, I believe, But still it was I mean
I was waiting tables a few months before that, you know,
and go from that to on the rolling cover of
the Rolling Stone, and.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It was it literally like your life changed overnight.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, now my life changed overnight.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Was it scary?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I wasn't scared a bit. You were just you were like, fuck,
I should have been. I should have been scared. I
should have slowed down a little bit. I did the best.
I could could have done better, Yeah, could could have
done better. Some would say a lot better.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Would say a lot better, okay, And then when did
that the Lieberman.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh that happened? Well, see, we were all only on
the air ten nine, ten months, and then I sweit
the show.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right, well, you quit the show because well.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What So what happened was there were a couple of
unfortunate copycat incidents, and there was a big one where
some kids got burned and they said they were imitating Jackass.
And there's a footnote to this in a second. They
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said they're imitating Jackass, and Joseph Lieberman, the Senator from Connecticut,
heard about it. It was an election year, and so
he wanted to come down on Hollywood. That was his
big thing, because it's really there's no consequence to it,
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you know, you're not really standing up for anything. But
he came down on MTV, Viacom came down on me personally,
and then TV started assigning oh ship people to the
show and saying, you guys can't jump off of anything
four feet or higher. I'm like, what, that's not what
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we do? You know? Are they bought bought it in
cycles of eight episodes, right, so they think they bought
eight and then another sixteen and we're coming up on
that twenty fourth episode and they're starting to let people
go in the office and all this heat was coming down.
We have all these new people on the show and
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what we do silly, but it meant a lot to me.
I'm like, I'm not gonna do it like this. So
I quit. And boy were they not happy, right, They
hadn't anticipated that. A lot of legal wrangling back and forth,
and finally, I don't know who floated the idea, Jeff
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and Spike came to me and said, what about a
what about we do a movie R rated movie? Right? Yeah? Maybe?
And it turned out that's one of the best things me.
Quitting was one of the best things that could have
happened for us. It pushed us in a whole new direction.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yes it did. Yeah, right, but let's talk about that.
You took a stand. You always take a stand. You're
not gonna it's important you have integrity.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I loved the show to like do a water down
version of it. I'm not going to do that. I'll
go back to waiting tables. You know where did you
get that from? My mother was very stubborn, very stubborn,
and I think maybe I got a little of her stubbornness.
I don't know, but it's always been there.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Did you have any idea how successful the films would be?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Look, we didn't even think it was going to get
on television. We're like, no one's going to watch this, right,
And our pilot we got shut down during the pilot.
It almost didn't even make it to air because we
filmed it. We filmed a bit in West Hollywood where
I put on a prison orange jumpsuit, dirty my face
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up and handcuffed myself and going a hardware store and
asked try to saw them off and try to get help.
People to help me. Oh my god, boy, did the
cops They the store just emptied, like they got everyone
out of there. And at one point I'm in there
trying to saw the cuffs off and I almost slipped
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my wrist. No one's even in there. My cameramen are
all outside. I'm like, well fuck, So I hear the
cops and I go outside to, you know, meet the
cops because my cameras are out there. As soon as
I get out, like four car loads pull up and
guns out and they ordered me to get down. But
the first lady on the scene, the cop, she didn't
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put her car in park when she jumped out and
it car ran into a telephone pole right in front
of I mean, I'm like, oh no, no o, they're pissed.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So anyway, long story short, the owner of the establishment
would not sign the release, so we couldn't use the footage,
and I think he filed a lawsuit and they shut
down our pilot because we didn't permit. MTV couldn't film
in West Hollywood for like ten or fifteen years after that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, wow. But did we think the movie was going
to be a success. No, we didn't think the show
was going to be a says when we made the movie,
We're like, uh, we didn't have high hopes, right, So wow.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Let me ask you this, like, this is another thing
I might but these kinds of things would happen. Things
don't work, Things break down, people get shut down. What
keeps you going? Because you have this We're gonna get it.
We're gonna figure it out. Thing.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
We have something to do. You know, you gotta see
it through. Right. It's like when I had asthma when
I was little and pretty bad. You know, I sometimes
get in amania. You have to go in the hospital,
but I played sports all three you know, all year round.
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I don't know. I just people are like, wasn't that hard? No,
you just want to you just want to do what
you're going to do. Yeah, I had that, but I
know I always had everybody what I needed to do
and I saw it through it. I don't know, I
don't know. That was just a personality trait.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
How did the ideas come to you? Like that idea?
How did that drop in for you? Which one the
sawing yourself?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh? That was actually Jeff Tremaine's girlfriend at the time, Danielle.
She came up with that idea, so bless her. My
idea is, I don't know, like I can be in
a writer's room or what we call a writer's room
with a few guys and kick around ideas and write.
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I can do that with Tremaine, but I'm best on
my own, like wake up super early in the morning
and just kind of sit there and go away, you know,
just let your mind run away. Yeah. Yeah, it's just
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one silly thing after another.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But they're dangerous.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I didn't. I should have thought about that earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Do you thrive on the more dangerous, the better? Are
you thinking yourself, personal safety. Are you thinking content? Are
you thinking? What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I'm thinking, let's make this great and we need footage.
I wasn't considering my self at all. Really, Yeah, I
just compartmentalized the damage. I had to get comfortable with
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the whatever outcome, because if I wasn't, then I'm going
to be frightened and not commit. And when you're doing
dangerous things and you don't commit, that's when you stand
to really get hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right, You're right.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You have to want to be there. You have to
want to go right now. Like I can tell if
a guy's not wanting to do a stunt m m
something dangerous, putting it off him haueing around.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
No, it's got to be fucking game. Always do the
thing right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, that's the existence that. Yeah, if it's not that,
then don't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well did you ever somebody saw that and said, don't
you waved them off? You just said, don't you know what?
You're not there? Would you have that kind of discretion?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We had a thing. If there's any like negativity or
dark shit going around the set, we're like, let's not
do it. That's when we would not do something. We
had a world champion bull rider Gary Lafeu World champion
nineteen seventy. He supplied us the bulls, and early on
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when we're working with bulls, he just said, look, if
there's any one being negative or's any bullshit going on
the set, like I want that person off the set.
Bulls are dangerous and you don't want any negativity or
bullshit around them. And we really took that to heart.
Everyone's got to like you said, you've got to be
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let's let's go. Now, let's do it. We were filming this.
We're going to film the stunt on a mountain and donners.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Pass already a red flag, right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We're waiting around for this. You know the setup. We're
going to go down a huge ski slope and a
bouncy house, all of us. Well, while we were waiting around,
someone died on the mountain, unrelated to us, and that
really was like, oh, that kind of was a dark
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cloud over the day after that. And then so the
guys were a little squirrely. I was a little weirded
out too, And then we get up there in this
bouncy house has this six hundred pound generator behind it
that has to we'll be riding behind us down this
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big mountain and a few of the guys looked at
it and they're like, no, this fucked this And Jeff
and I looked at each other and like, yeah, not today.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And so we just called it and you never filmed that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
We were going to come back to do it, but
we just didn't get around to it. But that was
one of those things, just like it's not worth it
because it just everyone was just inhibited by the day.
We didn't want to go forward with it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Interesting, man, And so the first film comes out, it's
a huge fucking success. Yeah, what's life like for you?
Then after that film comes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Out, it was rather fun. So you know your life
was working.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You're good, right, why was it fun? What was going on?
Oh you're making bread? You're famous. Well, people will throw
themselves out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah it's the hillbilly with the hit record, and but
it's it meant so much because it's something that I
created with my friends and if you put us in
a room with the you're never going to pick me
and my guys. I I was like, those are the successes.
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They're going to have the number one film, But we did,
and uh, you know, it helped get me acting jobs.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It opened a lot of doors for you, right, opened.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So many doors, And I was able to finally support
my family, right, you know, no more handouts for my
family or Melanie's family, my wife at the time, like
I was finally standing on my own and doing what
I had always wanted to do, what I moved out
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there to do. So it was an exciting time, which
in Eastern philosophy is not a good thing. What is it?
The squeaky wheel gets the oil. No, no, the nail
that sticks up gets pounded back down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You guys, the crew, Jackie's cru Everyone's become more famous,
more money, the film's becoming more popular. Talk about the group,
the cohesion of the group. How did you keep it together?
You got some addiction going on, you got.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
A lot of yeah, multiple addictions.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
How did you guys stay together? What was the energy?
And are you? Are you the captain who's keeping everybody going?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well? We all loved each other, right, like really loved
each other.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, people loved you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Guys, Thank you, thank you. And we loved each other
and we knew we had a good thing, a fun
thing that we liked that was a strong bond, right,
And when you do. When you put your life on
the line with a group of people, it really solidifies
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the bond even more. That was infighting at times, like
any family, But over the twenty five years we've all
pretty much stuck together. There's we've had a couple problems,
but I think because we loved each other, right, I
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think that's how we got through it all. Any relationship
is tough, especially over twenty five years when you get
all this external shit with the money and whatever level
of fame you're reach or don't.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
People love the films, but they loved you guys too,
and that the love is powerful when you guys.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, we care about each other. Yeah, and sometimes we
wanna just choke one another and do. There's been fights, sure,
there's been fist fights.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Jeff Tremaine and Rick Cossack, the cameraman have been in
six fist fights over the years. Wow. And Cossack is
so fucking pissed because Jeff's broke six pairs of his
glasses and never paid for a pair of glasses. Yet
they're together all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, yeah, but you love that stuff. It makes you
Why isn't so funny?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's just so fucking funny. It still makes Cossack so
mad that Jeff's broke six pairs of his glasses. Cossack
boxes sometimes now and you just like, you'll tell his trainer.
I was gonna fuck Jeff up. I'm gonna fuck Jeff.
But he loves Jeff. That stuff is hilarious to right.
All the dysfunction right from I mean that kind of
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stuff starts at the top. Right, it's a very dysfunctional family.
And that's on you know, Jeff and me.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
You know, you're a savvy kat. You have the first
one come out, You're thinking about what's next?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Right, No, no, no, no, I thought that was it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You said there could be one.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, really, like, we did it.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
What do you think that that's kind of it. We're
kind of all going to go on our own or what.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
There wasn't a lot of ever, a lot of forethought
with Jackass. We did the first movie. I'm like, Okay,
we did it. Jeff went off to film Wild Boys
with Steve O and Pontias, and every now and then
I would go out filming with him, and I ended
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up in Russia with them, minding my own business while
I was over there. Apparently, I was like really game
to shoot and just we're doing some obstacle course with
the Russian Special Forces and I was like, okay, okay,
why don't we They have attack dogs here, so at
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the first let let the attack dog attack me, and
then they have him shoot me with rubber bullets and
then at the end have a guy karate kick me
in the head and then we'll have it. And Jeff
kind of pulls me to the side and goes, look,
if you're going to go this big for Basic Cable,
why not just do another movie and I and I
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was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah, maybe you're right, and
that's what that's one. We did number two, and after
number two we had a big closing, a big musical closing.
I'm like, well, we're never going to top that, so
we're done. I just always thought we were done. Yeah,
(37:53):
you said, I'll.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
All act, I'll produce things. I'm in right.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I remember for when we were doing Jack Guess number two,
we met with Converse and they're like, what what is
your guys five year playing? And Jeff and I. He
looked at me, and I looked at him. I'm like,
I don't, we don't. We don't have a five year plan.
Fast forward like to two thousand nine ish and I
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start getting that itch again.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I'm watching Tom and Jerry a lot and writing ideas
down and and then I stack up a bunch of
ideas and I that I suggested Jeff we do another one.
And that's what led to.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Three Get the Get the Band back together.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, And they had always wanted to do it. The
guys had always wanted to do it. I guess I
was the hold up why I didn't want to do.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
It, just not there. And then it's just because.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Like when I decide I'm going to do it, like
I know what that means, right, I know that I'm
going to put myself on the line, and I know
what can go wrong. I have to really want to
do it, And at some points in my life I
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was like, let's go. Now, let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
As you're getting older in these in the films, are
you starting to think, Hey, my body's a little different.
Are you nervous about getting injured?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Well?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What was your first big injury? Yeah, and answer that question.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
After my last concussion on Jack asked forever where I
had is a stunt with the bull I got a concussion,
a brain hemorrhage. I broke my rib, my wrist. At first,
I thought I was all right, you know, but over
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the next three to four months, I slowly just slipped away.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
You were offline.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My creative brain turned against me. Yeah, I was offline.
You saw me. Then I was offline. I was completely opposite.
I was like, bizarre, oh me.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You know, it's terrifying to know your brain's not operating.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I didn't know that, right. My attorney said, your brain
is telling you things that are happening that aren't. It's
terrifying to look back at. But when you're in it,
you don't realize you're in it. That's what's scary, because
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you're getting bad information. And I feel so much empathy
for people who are in that same situation, right, And
maybe they don't have access to help, or they don't
have friends, or they you know, they're stranded. But I'm
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very fortunate I had access to help. I had friends. Man,
I'm so glad I got out of that. I mean,
you saw me. It was it was, it was. It
was awful.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's scary, it's really.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And I had medicine to help get me back online, too.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Right, medicine and a lot of love, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Support, medisine, a lot of love. Also you take the
time to like, Okay, what in my life is not working?
What is not serving me? How can I not cut
down on the chaos that you cause? Because I felt
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like that was a real bottom for me, and holy shit,
the only way was like I wanted to kind of
rebuild me, right, yeah, because I almost lost it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Very close, yep, very close, Yeah, very close.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Them bulls are mains, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, Yeah, it hard for me to watch that. I was,
you know, when I was thinking about our show, I
looked at that. It was really hard for me to
watch that because I you're the expert. Obviously there's a
way to land from getting hit by a bull, right.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I knew there was trouble that day when I showed up,
and when you're dealing like I m Garby the Fuse
bull ring in the Pomo, there's lots of soft dirt.
It's like this thick lots of soft dirt in the ring.
When I got to the place that day, it was
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a cold December day, December twentyeth. I think we shot
late to Chris and it was just hard ground. Maybe
a little this much dirt. I'm like, that's going to
be that could be a problem. I made a joke
about it, but I knew what I was what could happen,
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and and yeah, with way I hand way I deal
with bulls, I want to get above them because it's
not fun being under them. And they always drop their
head right before they hit you. So I give a
little hop. So they hit me up in there and
hopefully I can, you know, come back around and land
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somewhere under my feet. But this time I missed time
I jump. I jumped too early and so I went up,
but I started on my way back down and he
just shit whip me into like uh I did like
what what's uh? Five point forty And the only thing
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that stopped my momentum was the back of my head
on that cold, hard ground.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's basically a cement.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Basically cement. We're dealing with cement, right, Yeah, not optimal,
but it's like one of those things I said I
was going to do it, and I wasn't going to
not do it. I wasn't there for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And how long after that did he realize something, Well,
I fucked myself up good here I didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I didn't right right because I slowly slipped away, you know,
I slowly my cognitive skills slowly slipped away. My connection
to reality slowly slipped away.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
M M.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I couldn't understand what I was going through until I
was out of it. The brain's a funny thing.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
You come online again, Yes, then you look in the
mirror and it's trying to try, who in the fuck
am I? What's important? Right now?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Family?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Family?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
You know? My kids? Finally I decided, well, you know
what you're You're important too. I don't know how much
I considered that up until then. So try to forgive
myself for what I just went through, and kind of
look at myself and really need to get rid of
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the things that don't serve me, don't serve my kids,
try and be at peace because I'd been at war
with myself for so long, long time. Yeah, forgiving yourself?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Why is that so hard? Why is it so important
to forgive yourself? Brother?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Well, if you can't show that love to yourself, who
you're going to show that to? Right kind of starts
here and then you can start to healthily share. That
shouldn't be a big moment to love yourself, right, if
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you had gotten all the tools you needed. And but
it was a big moment for me.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That was a big moment for you. Yeah, but also
to what I witnessed in you, brother, that same determination
with the stunts, We're going to figure this out. You
made a declaration to yourself. I'm going to figure this
out with myself.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. I had to figure it out. No, No, I didn't, No,
I did. I didn't, but I did. Right. It's like
there was no other way, right, at least in my head.
This is how it's got to be. It's got to
be that way every day.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You know. I can't be this way for while it
while you're feeling good or why things are going good? No,
it's you gotta be disciplined and live the way you want.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Every day, that's right. And you're doing that. Yeah, and
you're the happiest you've ever been.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
And why are you the happiest you've ever been? Brother?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
That there's a whole lot of reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I want to hear it because I like celebrating you. Man.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh, you know, I just have so much time for
better things now, you know. Just I'm clearer, so I
can just more focused on being creative, getting to spend
time with my kids. I met this amazing woman, and
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I'm finally, I'm finally worthy of a great relationship. And
I'm so grateful for her and and us, and I
feel like I'm you know, I feel like I have
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something to offer too.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
So you have real partnership.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's a real partnership, right, no bullshit, no secrets.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
No secrets, no jive, no funny, no bullshit.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Honestly, that urge has left me, right, I don't know
how to put it.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, you just put it that so succinctly. It's gone, yeah,
right because you wanted it gone. Yeah, you wanted it gone.
You had a sick and tired moment.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, it's like just thinking about my kids. I went
to the UH, I took them to the Playboy Cardi
concert the other night. It's so if I didn't even
realize someone sent me a video. They it was like
they showed Playboycardi and then they cut then they panned
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down to this one old dude in a green cowboy
shirt standing in a sea of black T shirts, and
it was so funny. I didn't realize I was the
only one wearing a primary color that night, everyone was
in all black. I was the lone person in a
primary color. But it was my kids had so much
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fun and it was fun watching them have fun. But
I was the old dude at the Playboy CARDI show.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
And that's a beautiful thing. Brother, No, I love that.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
How people want to know, how do you stay grounded?
How do you stay centered? How do you not let
all this stuff influence how you live your daily life?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
You know, I had plenty for many years, spinning out
a bit, and I just got I just got fucking
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I care about me. I care about my children, my fiance,
my friends, and my work. Right that's where all my
focus is. Right, It's just wonderful positive things, right, like
the darkness and that negativity like your heart Like it's rare.
(50:34):
It's rare. I mean, I don't want to get into it,
but it's it's where you meet someone that's so negative
that successful. Now, you could point to many things in
our society right now, but before before this, it was
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rare that you ever met someone that was super negative
that was successful.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Can I tell you what I expect. It's with you
once you put your arms around self love. Once you
actually forgave yourself, Yeah, really forgive yourself, then you could
take the gratitude in every day. Yeah, and then you can.
And then your heart's just open. And I think you
have such an appreciation that you're not in that darkness anymore.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
And your body's healthy and your heads. You just surround
yourself with loving, kind people. Yeah, and you're doing great. Shit,
you're busy, you're doing great projects. You're more in demand
than ever.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah. I've been very lucky. Yeah, and again I've made
my own luck.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
So what does that mean when you say made my luck?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Well, it's acknowledging that I did something too right, which
I never did.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
You have an art show coming up?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yes, we have a Jackass art show coming up. I
just thought that's our twenty fifth anniversary, why don't we
have an art show. And there's some great are artists
like on the crew and a couple in the cast,
and then we reach out to artists we admire too,
and we took some big swings and big swings. Yeah,
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I'm very excited. Right, Yeah, it's yeah, it's a lot
of work. Who knew curating our show is so much work?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
So what's next for these dumb ideas? And throw them out?
And then they take shape? You're like, oh shit, it
is a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
What's next for you? What else do you want to
be doing?
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Man, same thing I've been doing, just producing films, acting
in films, making documentaries, driving my daughter to volleyball, my
son to baseball. Probably more concerts where I'm the old
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cook sitting in there in a bright red shirt or something.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, that's a beautiful thing, brother.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
See can we do some rapid fire questions and I'll
let you go? Can we do that?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
You don't know if I'm to have any good answers.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think you might. Let's see what I came up with.
Some doozies I think for you, brother, I came up No, no,
what do you mean? Just randos? No? Okay, okay, yeah,
just see what comes to mind? Evil?
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Oh? Complicated, very complicated man, right, Ei. There's so many
sides of them. I adore in some sides.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Okay, what hurts more a broken river or a broken heart? Heart?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Rib suck, though, I'll tell you that rib suck.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
What's the dumbest idea you ever said yes to.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh god, I think they're all were stupid. Oh man,
you no, take your time, brother. Well, the thing that
the idea is I said yes to, I wrote, So
I'm the blame. It's not like anyone like talk me
into it. It's my fault.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I got it again, buddy, All right, when's the last
time he really truly scared yourself?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (54:06):
I would say what I would say March twenty first
Dish twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Right, yeah, what's the most painful thing you've ever laughed through?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You know what? Out of all the things I did
pain wise, concussions, breaks.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Whatever, pepper spray fucking sucks because it's like someone lit
a fire in your eye and put it out with gasoline,
And for twenty minutes I could barely even open my eyes,
and you're it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Right. Finally, after like forty five minutes, they put milk
in your eyes. That milk doesn't fucking help. Finally, like
you're forty five minutes later, you're kind of feeling like
yourself again. Go home later that at night, wash your face,
and boom, the water reactivates it and you're back in there. Oh,
it's terrible stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, what's the most dangerous thing that wasn't caught on camera?
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh? Shit, most dangerous thing not caught on camera?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Nothing comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Nothing comes to mind. It's like as it was all
on camera everything.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Okay, yeah, I don't know if there's one thing we
fucking did and it was incredible.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
No, trust me. We we blew a lot of h takes,
like Lyn's cap on the camera or someone's filming up
there at the sky for some reason, but we managed
to always someone had it. We had so many cameras.
I remember I got hit by a car once. We
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had four cameras, only one camera got it. It was
like three dudes. I don't know what they were actually
know what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, okay, we'll keep Emily.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Oh that's my love.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, right on. Man, When what's the first time you
realized I'm not like everyone else?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I don't know. I think everyone has that feeling that
you're an individual and not like everyone else. It wasn't
until years later I thought maybe I can do something
like nobody else. But that was.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Took a while.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Took a long time to even like give myself credit, like,
oh well, I think what you're doing is all right?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
What's one rule you've never followed?
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Oh? Man, I fucking cannot stand for somebody to tell
me what to do. I will most always do the opposite.
I don't know, I don't. Emily laughs about it all
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the time, like, I don't know, I don't know why that.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Is still got out of the mom in you.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, I just you know, I think I've done so
much work on myself and then someone tells me what
to do, and I'm like, Nope.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
Who's the craziest genius you've ever worked with?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Spikes brilliant right, not just from a creative standpoint, but
likes he sees the whole field right, business, the creative
He's gifted and I'm so fortunate to have him as
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my mentor. Because we first got into the business, Jeff
and I didn't know shit. All we knew was Spike.
I mean, we had our points of view and our
you know, whatever we thought could be funny. Suddenly we
were two dummies to be Wow, two dummies who know Spike?
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People thought we knew something.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
What's the one thing you still haven't tried but want to?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
God, that's a good. That's an excellent question. You know,
with my personality, if something I want to do, I'm
going to find a way to do it. I would
say probably something like that. Some countries I haven't been
to because other stuff, like I will, I'll give it
(58:53):
a shot. You know, I'll always give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
If you could really live one stunt just for the feeling,
which would it be.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
God helped me, but I uh, I know I can't
because of all my concussions, but I do miss playing.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
With bulls, right, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, but I'm out of the kids and I'm out
out of the But it's so weird, like because I'm
in and I know it's like I I I don't
want to jeopardize anything, but I'll see someone get smoked
in a video. I'm like, oh man, I start longing
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for that. I'm like, what am I doing? What am
I longing for? But you're not careful. It slips in
and then you're like, Okay, you're fine, You're fucking fine.
You're not you're out of the bull business.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
You're out of the bull business. What's your definition of bravery?
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Devo was more like he was so wrapped up in
alcohol and We're not even alcohol that much, just the
worst drugs a human can do. One day, it clicked
and he turned it around, and he since he stopped
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drugs like he has not turned back. He faces that
dragon every day and defeats it. People are like, oh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Did this with this stunt of them, like, that's that's
that's not bravery in my eyes. What Steve O does
every day is that's real bravery.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah, blessed to no brothers steal an incredible journey that gout.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, Hey, go to STEVEO dot com. I'm gonna get
some of my.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
All right almost done.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm happiest when I'm at home with Emily and the
kids and our lazy dog.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
What songs should play when you walk into the room?
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yaggety Sacks by Boots Randolph?
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Look at that Yaggetty Sacks?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
All right? What's Oh no? Then you got to license
it so I can't do it?
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Okay. What's one thing you tell every wild kid watching
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Drink your milk, mind your mama, and don't take shit
from anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Boy, finish your sentence, buddy, Life's too short not to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Give it a go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, thanks, brother, I love you. So much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Love you, no, thank you, yeah big.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Time all right, yeah yeah right yeah yeah, Dudezebo dot
com thank you. The Sino Show is a production of
iHeart Podcasts, hosted by me Cina McFarlane, produced by pod
People in twenty eighth. Av Our lead producer is Keith Carnelik,
(01:02:11):
Our executive producer is Lindsay Hoffman. Marketing lead is Ashley Weaver.
Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next week.
As soon as I get out, like four carloads pull
up and guns out and they ordered me to get down.
But the first lady on the scene, the cop, she
didn't put her car in park when she jumped out,
and it car ran into a telephone pole right in
front of me. I'm like, oh no, the other pissed
MTV couldn't film in West Hollywood for like ten or
fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
After that, you come online again. Yes, then you look
in the mirror and it's trying to try, who in
the fuck am I? What's important right now?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Forgive myself for what I just went through, and kind
of look at myself and really need to get her
rid of the things that don't serve me, don't serve
my kids, try and be at peace because I'd been
at war with myself for so long.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Some people tip throw through life, try not to get hurt.
Others run straight right into the fire. Laughing, bleeding is
somehow finding beauty in the wreckage. My guest today is
one of those rare ones. A man who made chaos
a craft, who turned pain into performance art and gave
a generation permission to fill alive. Johnny Knoxville didn't just
(01:16):
break bones he broke rules, broke molds, and broke open
what comedy could be. There's poetry in the madness, there's
truth in the bruise, and somewhere in between all the noise,
he found his own kind of piece, the kind you earn,
brother man. Welcome to the Sino Show.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
What an intro geez now' I'm humbled in that shirt.
Oh my goodness, right, just hotter than a Saint Louis laundromatic.
So well.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
First off, happy twenty fifth anniversary for Jack.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I can't believe it.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That's quite an accomplishment.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah, yeah, twenty five years did I.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
But is this an accurate number? Three hundred and fifty
six million dollars box office total?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Oh, you'd have to ask someone else. I don't have
any clue, no idea. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It's impressive. You put a lot of people to work too,
that's impressive.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, that's the fun part, like working with your friends.
We managed to think of something where we can hire
our friends and let me tell you that's good and
bad scene. Yeah, we have some real questionable hires.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, it's some very questionable. Yeah, you didn't have any
chart apartment back that did you.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, people are the pits.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Manny's our safety guy when we work with alligators, and
he's the guy who swims in the swamps and Florida
at night with a miner's light on and old.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Lift gators up at the surface.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
So we were shooting this one scene and Mandy's safety
plan was, Okay, Steve O, if one of the alligators
bite him, hopefully he will let go.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
That was the That was it. That was it, and
you guys of course said it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, we managed to get it.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Oh yeah, we're gonna get into that little bit. But
let's let's go back a little bit. Let's go back
to young Johnny. Yes, Knoxville, Tennessee. Yes, huh, happy kid,
go lucky kid.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
I was pretty out. I was really outgoing. My father
was introverted, extrovert. He was very loud and funny, but
when he just wanted to sit and watch TV, he
just wanted to kind of tune everyone out. But so
I was very outgoing. But I was also kind of
nervous because my father also drank. And you don't know,
(03:38):
as a kid, you know, you're sitting in school wondering
what's it going to be like at home that night?
You know, it was very destabilizing because he was either
the funniest guy on the planet or he just handled
liquor terribly and just just came home and just started
(03:59):
fights with my mother, and it was very combative.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
How did that influence you over the years?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh, it gave me all kinds of great habits. It's
very constructive. You try to please. If I make everyone happy,
maybe he won't drink. You kind of think it's your fault.
You learn to keep secrets because you don't want everybody
knowing your dad's drunk. And a lot of times people
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wouldn't know. He didn't do a lot of that stuff
publicly every now and then. So it's not a good
thing to learn, right, And it took a lot of
years to understand that and how to attempt to shake
(04:53):
that off because you don't even know you're doing it right.
You don't know if you don't do any work on yourself,
for you just go through life repeating some of the
same bullshit. Right, you know, your male role model, that's
(05:16):
your male role model. When he wasn't drinking, he was amazing.
But I'm just talking about the times when he was
drinking and it was very scary.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Did he ever get sober?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
After his quadruple bypass? And around two thousand one he
cut almost all the way back. Every now and then
my sisters or mom would catch him sneaking a beer
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or two. But he never went on benders after that.
And I'd moved out to la by then, right, I'd
moved out month after high school. Actually, I'm like, I'm
not I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So let's let's go back a little bit. But what
what were you? What was high school like for you?
Were you the funny guy? Were you the prankster guy?
Were you a shy guy? Sports a sports fan.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I was never a shy guy. I was always loud
and and I I was trying to be funny, didn't
always land, you know, you know, I I think when
I was even younger than that, I was trying to
be funny, but I was like a little rattlesnake who
couldn't control his venom. Yeah, there was no idea of
(06:41):
tone that takes work. Brother, So when high school I
played baseball. I love baseball, and it's the only thing
I was ever kind of pretty good at and I
just absolutely yesterday I went to after boxing and I
went to this baseball academy down on Venice to take swings.
(07:05):
I like working on my swing that. I love it.
It's so fun. Good for you, brother, Yeah, it's really fun.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
How often you do that?
Speaker 1 (07:13):
I don't get to do it a lot. Maybe once
every I'm trying to do it like once a month,
but once every six weeks. You got to do it
a little more to dial it in. But it's so fun.
It keeps my brain going. Yeah, learning new or old things.
You know again.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Baseball University of Tennessee, big fan.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh my god, they break my heart on a regular basis.
But we're actually pretty good this year in football, so
I'm pretty happy.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
We had the great Willie Galton a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Really yeah, wow.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, you know he still has a bunch of records
at Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Yeah, he was amazing. He played for the Bears.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, yeah, won a Super Bowl with him.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
He was a really big personality of my childhood because
everything was Tennessee balls, football and like Willie Gaulton right,
turd kickoffs, punts, psych. Yeah, I remember Willie Galton.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
But when was when did you make the decision. I
gotta get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think I was in about eighth or ninth grade,
and I don't know what. I just sitting in bed
and was like, wow, maybe I can be an actor,
just trying to think of different ways. I didn't have
to work for a living, you know, like acting, I
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don't you know, what do you do? And that guy?
I got locked in on that. And it wasn't until
probably juniors. I was like, well, where am I going
to go? And I looked at the tuition for NYU
and I was like, well, not going to go there.
And I read somewhere that the American Academy of Dramatic
(09:07):
Arts was auditioning people in Atlanta, and I'm like, well,
I'll go audition in Atlanta for this school. Drove down
to Atlant's like four hours away, did a monologue and
apparently they were taking everybody because oh my god, I
was so wooden and just what was it?
Speaker 2 (09:27):
You remember the monologue?
Speaker 1 (09:28):
He did no something about smoking a pipe. I don't
know what's so unusual about smoking a pipe. I don't
remember where it was from, but I just demolished it.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Oh wow. But they said, oh, we have a spot
for you.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
They did.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, somehow before we get here, was on the road
a big influence for you. Yeah, yeah, I'd opened your
world a little bit. If I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's one of the things that made me want to
go to see what is outside of Knoxville. I didn't
know people lived like that, and in my mind they
were so free and it gave me a great yearning.
I was sitting I was fourteen, sitting in a bar
(10:18):
with my cousin. He's a country singer, Roger, and he
handed me.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
The book Oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
And it was. He's done many wonderful things for me,
but that was one of the best. Wow, because it
just it just kind of blew the top of my
head off, Like like when I read Fear and Lowl
in Las Vegas. I didn't know people could write like that,
(10:46):
just how I didn't know people could live like that.
With Jack Carowacken on the road, it is just those
were a couple of big moments for me.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So you get to Los Angeles. Were you excited, were
you nervous? Did your parents support it?
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Were you like, well, my mom and dad both wanted
me to come home. Like when I left, Mom couldn't
even come out on the carport to say goodbye. She
was so sad. Say goodbye inside the house. But she's like,
m man, I get so emotional these days.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's it's all the time.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's good. Brother. Your brain's working, right, that's why.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
But yeah, she didn't want to come outside, and Dad
didn't want me to go. He's like, well, how long
you think you'll need out there? Six months? I'm like no.
But with that said, like starting off, I didn't have
a lot of money. I was living out there, and
they were helping me a lot. They always helped me,
(11:53):
you know, with mine because I just had a lot
of asthma medication and whatnot, or just they would Dad
would say, go down to the Western Onion and I
sent you a little money.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, So they were very they were very supportive once
I was here.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So, and what was it like when you were here?
Was it like was it being in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It was just fast, faster and disaster. You know. I
was like, I wanted to come out to act, but
apparently I just came out to drink and hang out.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Wow, so you're you're starting party pretty good.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, And I was taking acting classes but I was
so green, right, and I was terrified of the camera,
absolutely terrified. Just my shoulders go up and I'm just tense.
And that took just taking classes and doing it and
(12:54):
you eventually get over that. But it was it was
like a almost a paralyzing thing for me at first. Wow,
now I'm completely comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
But then it was interesting. Yeah, and you got a
gig at a magazine.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
I had a baby on the way. Oh my oldest Madison.
Her mom says, we have a baby on the way,
and I was I was scared.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hold were you?
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Then when I found out I was twenty three when
she was born, I was twenty four. Wow, and I
was like what can I do? But it really made
me get my shit together. You know. I lived next
door to Antoine Fuquah and he's like, go see this
casting director. Show up. You get an agent. Wonderful thing
(13:49):
Antwine did. Wow. And my friend John Linson, he's like
he knew that I was trying to write, and he said,
go see this magazine editor. So I went down there
and they gave me some gigs writing and so then
(14:12):
I got an agent, started auditioning, went a whole year,
over a year without a callback. Wow. And then I
talked to this one actor, Clint call worked all the time, Like, Clint,
how do you book so many commercials? He's like, you
(14:32):
gotta do something funny with your eyes when you slate
your name. I'm like, get out of here. He's like no,
I'm like all right. So then I was like, hello,
I'm Johnny Knoxville, you know, and just really made a
meal out of that. Yeah, And I started booking. I
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booked so much after that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Good different on the actors out there, right, just do
some wacky shit, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Just because in the first few seconds they're like, oh okay,
I like this person. Wow. I had a lot of
people doing a lot of nice things for me a
long way, including you. See. No, I've been very lucky.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, you've been very lucky. But I'm going to stay
on that theme, buddy, You've been very lucky.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
I've made my own luck.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
You made your own luck. And one of the things
I love about you, and it's a long fucking list,
is your loyalty to people. You don't forget people that
have been kind to you and gracious to you.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
No, I don't know how you forget.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
That most people forget. You don't forget no, because where
would I be right? You know, where would I be right?
I think we know I wouldn't be here, you.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Know, no, no, no, So why did you know you
were a good writer? Did you Why did they hire
you to be a writer? Did you send a sample
in they said this guy can write?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Or was it maybe? Yeah, maybe I sense some kind
of sample in And then I don't know. I think
I had more personality than writing ability. You know, I
don't know. But they gave me a gig and I
started again. Hunter was a big influence on me, and
(16:19):
you know, his style of participatory journalism. I'm like, oh, well,
I need to start inserting myself into the articles. And
then that led to, oh, why don't I do an
article on self defense equipment where I test all the
devices out on myself and then shoot myself in the
chest with bulletproof vest right, And that was my poor
(16:44):
attempt at being Hunter in my larger attempt at supporting
my family. That was my big move.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That was your big move.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That was my big move.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
But that move gained the attention mister Spike Jones.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, yes, because the editor of Big Brother magazine was
Jeff Tremaine and he's the director of jack Ass and
my partner with Spike and Jackass. Jeff and I were
trying to think of a show to do and we
had sort of an idea and Jeff's like, why, hey,
(17:16):
you want to call Spike to see if he wants
to do it with us.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I was like, yeah, because had he done Malkovich?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yes he was, he was in the process of doing Malkovich,
but he was the.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Hottest music video director of all time at that time, right,
he was just right, yeah, see, you give him.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
A shout and we tell him our idea and you know,
we want to do this, you know, you know, stunts
and pranks, but we might be behind the desk or
He's like, I think you guys are already doing the show.
I'm like, we're like what because the Big Brother videos
were just pranks and some stunts. That's what I have.
(17:55):
It's a lot of my articles we just filmed and
put straight into the videos. And he goes, I think
you guys are already doing it. It doesn't need to
be like really formatted. And we're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
we knew that. We knew nothing. So it was just
Big Brother videos without the skating.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Right, wow. Then you guys start pitching the show.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, we pitched to At first, we pitched to HBO.
We let Spike do the talking because he's the big
man on campus. Boy, did that not go good. He
kept getting lost in like his thoughts. He's like, eh
ah in his defense, Jeff and I didn't jump in
(18:42):
with anything. Yeah, and then it got and that was
the good part. It got really bad when we put
in the eight minute tape of what the show was
and I forgot who the lady was, but it was
crickets like a tumbleweed rolled across the office. It was hilarious.
(19:05):
We're like, well, can't go any worse than that. And
the next couple of pitches were with Comedy Central and MTV,
and they both wanted it so right.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Is this is this true?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Boy?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Is? When it came out within ten weeks, you were
on the cover of Rolling Stone.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Someone someone brought that up to me the other day
and yeah, that's true. Came out in October and by
December or January, I was filming the cover of the
Rolling Stone.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, wow, it's I looked it up and got the
Jockstrap on that it's a great cover, right.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
So nothing worse than a hillbilly with a hit record.
My line that was whose line was that from one
of the greatest things might Judge ever did? It's tails
from the tour Bus, And it was the one on
Johnny Paycheck the country singer and his band members are
talking about Johnny Paycheck's bad behavior, and yeah, that's what
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one of the band members said about him.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
And what does that mean to you?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I had a hit record and I was, you know,
just absolutely going for it.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
What was it like having that fame at that age?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
And and well I wasn't a young man. I was
twenty nine, I believe, But still it was I mean
I was waiting tables a few months before that, you know,
and go from that to on the rolling cover of
the Rolling Stone, and.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It was it literally like your life changed overnight.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, now my life changed overnight.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Was it scary?
Speaker 4 (20:47):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I wasn't scared a bit. You were just you were like, fuck,
I should have been. I should have been scared. I
should have slowed down a little bit. I did the best.
I could could have done better, Yeah, could could have
done better. Some would say a lot better.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Would say a lot better, okay, And then when did
that the Lieberman.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Oh that happened? Well, see, we were all only on
the air ten nine, ten months, and then I sweit
the show.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right, well, you quit the show because well.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
What So what happened was there were a couple of
unfortunate copycat incidents, and there was a big one where
some kids got burned and they said they were imitating Jackass.
And there's a footnote to this in a second. They
(21:48):
said they're imitating Jackass, and Joseph Lieberman, the Senator from Connecticut,
heard about it. It was an election year, and so
he wanted to come down on Hollywood. That was his
big thing, because it's really there's no consequence to it,
(22:09):
you know, you're not really standing up for anything. But
he came down on MTV, Viacom came down on me personally,
and then TV started assigning oh ship people to the
show and saying, you guys can't jump off of anything
four feet or higher. I'm like, what, that's not what
(22:33):
we do? You know? Are they bought bought it in
cycles of eight episodes, right, so they think they bought
eight and then another sixteen and we're coming up on
that twenty fourth episode and they're starting to let people
go in the office and all this heat was coming down.
We have all these new people on the show and
(22:56):
what we do silly, but it meant a lot to me.
I'm like, I'm not gonna do it like this. So
I quit. And boy were they not happy, right, They
hadn't anticipated that. A lot of legal wrangling back and forth,
and finally, I don't know who floated the idea, Jeff
(23:20):
and Spike came to me and said, what about a
what about we do a movie R rated movie? Right? Yeah? Maybe?
And it turned out that's one of the best things me.
Quitting was one of the best things that could have
happened for us. It pushed us in a whole new direction.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Yes it did. Yeah, right, but let's talk about that.
You took a stand. You always take a stand. You're
not gonna it's important you have integrity.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I loved the show to like do a water down
version of it. I'm not going to do that. I'll
go back to waiting tables. You know where did you
get that from? My mother was very stubborn, very stubborn,
and I think maybe I got a little of her stubbornness.
I don't know, but it's always been there.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Did you have any idea how successful the films would be?
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Look, we didn't even think it was going to get
on television. We're like, no one's going to watch this, right,
And our pilot we got shut down during the pilot.
It almost didn't even make it to air because we
filmed it. We filmed a bit in West Hollywood where
I put on a prison orange jumpsuit, dirty my face
(24:37):
up and handcuffed myself and going a hardware store and
asked try to saw them off and try to get help.
People to help me. Oh my god, boy, did the
cops They the store just emptied, like they got everyone
out of there. And at one point I'm in there
trying to saw the cuffs off and I almost slipped
(24:59):
my wrist. No one's even in there. My cameramen are
all outside. I'm like, well fuck, So I hear the
cops and I go outside to, you know, meet the
cops because my cameras are out there. As soon as
I get out, like four car loads pull up and
guns out and they ordered me to get down. But
the first lady on the scene, the cop, she didn't
(25:21):
put her car in park when she jumped out and
it car ran into a telephone pole right in front
of I mean, I'm like, oh no, no o, they're pissed.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
So anyway, long story short, the owner of the establishment
would not sign the release, so we couldn't use the footage,
and I think he filed a lawsuit and they shut
down our pilot because we didn't permit. MTV couldn't film
in West Hollywood for like ten or fifteen years after that.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, wow. But did we think the movie was going
to be a success. No, we didn't think the show
was going to be a says when we made the movie,
We're like, uh, we didn't have high hopes, right, So wow.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Let me ask you this, like, this is another thing
I might but these kinds of things would happen. Things
don't work, Things break down, people get shut down. What
keeps you going? Because you have this We're gonna get it.
We're gonna figure it out. Thing.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
We have something to do. You know, you gotta see
it through. Right. It's like when I had asthma when
I was little and pretty bad. You know, I sometimes
get in amania. You have to go in the hospital,
but I played sports all three you know, all year round.
(26:45):
I don't know. I just people are like, wasn't that hard? No,
you just want to you just want to do what
you're going to do. Yeah, I had that, but I
know I always had everybody what I needed to do
and I saw it through it. I don't know, I
don't know. That was just a personality trait.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
How did the ideas come to you? Like that idea?
How did that drop in for you? Which one the
sawing yourself?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh? That was actually Jeff Tremaine's girlfriend at the time, Danielle.
She came up with that idea, so bless her. My
idea is, I don't know, like I can be in
a writer's room or what we call a writer's room
with a few guys and kick around ideas and write.
(27:33):
I can do that with Tremaine, but I'm best on
my own, like wake up super early in the morning
and just kind of sit there and go away, you know,
just let your mind run away. Yeah. Yeah, it's just
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one silly thing after another.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But they're dangerous.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Yeah, I didn't. I should have thought about that earlier.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Do you thrive on the more dangerous, the better? Are
you thinking yourself, personal safety. Are you thinking content? Are
you thinking? What are you thinking?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
I'm thinking, let's make this great and we need footage.
I wasn't considering my self at all. Really, Yeah, I
just compartmentalized the damage. I had to get comfortable with
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the whatever outcome, because if I wasn't, then I'm going
to be frightened and not commit. And when you're doing
dangerous things and you don't commit, that's when you stand
to really get hurt.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Right, You're right.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
You have to want to be there. You have to
want to go right now. Like I can tell if
a guy's not wanting to do a stunt m m
something dangerous, putting it off him haueing around.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
No, it's got to be fucking game. Always do the
thing right.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, that's the existence that. Yeah, if it's not that,
then don't do it.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Well did you ever somebody saw that and said, don't
you waved them off? You just said, don't you know what?
You're not there? Would you have that kind of discretion?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We had a thing. If there's any like negativity or
dark shit going around the set, we're like, let's not
do it. That's when we would not do something. We
had a world champion bull rider Gary Lafeu World champion
nineteen seventy. He supplied us the bulls, and early on
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when we're working with bulls, he just said, look, if
there's any one being negative or's any bullshit going on
the set, like I want that person off the set.
Bulls are dangerous and you don't want any negativity or
bullshit around them. And we really took that to heart.
Everyone's got to like you said, you've got to be
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let's let's go. Now, let's do it. We were filming this.
We're going to film the stunt on a mountain and donners.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Pass already a red flag, right.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
We're waiting around for this. You know the setup. We're
going to go down a huge ski slope and a
bouncy house, all of us. Well, while we were waiting around,
someone died on the mountain, unrelated to us, and that
really was like, oh, that kind of was a dark
(30:53):
cloud over the day after that. And then so the
guys were a little squirrely. I was a little weirded
out too, And then we get up there in this
bouncy house has this six hundred pound generator behind it
that has to we'll be riding behind us down this
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big mountain and a few of the guys looked at
it and they're like, no, this fucked this And Jeff
and I looked at each other and like, yeah, not today.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And so we just called it and you never filmed that.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
We were going to come back to do it, but
we just didn't get around to it. But that was
one of those things, just like it's not worth it
because it just everyone was just inhibited by the day.
We didn't want to go forward with it.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Interesting, man, And so the first film comes out, it's
a huge fucking success. Yeah, what's life like for you?
Then after that film comes.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Out, it was rather fun. So you know your life
was working.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
You're good, right, why was it fun? What was going on?
Oh you're making bread? You're famous. Well, people will throw
themselves out.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Yeah it's the hillbilly with the hit record, and but
it's it meant so much because it's something that I
created with my friends and if you put us in
a room with the you're never going to pick me
and my guys. I I was like, those are the successes.
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They're going to have the number one film, But we did,
and uh, you know, it helped get me acting jobs.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It opened a lot of doors for you, right, opened.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
So many doors, And I was able to finally support
my family, right, you know, no more handouts for my
family or Melanie's family, my wife at the time, like
I was finally standing on my own and doing what
I had always wanted to do, what I moved out
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there to do. So it was an exciting time, which
in Eastern philosophy is not a good thing. What is it?
The squeaky wheel gets the oil. No, no, the nail
that sticks up gets pounded back down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
You guys, the crew, Jackie's cru Everyone's become more famous,
more money, the film's becoming more popular. Talk about the group,
the cohesion of the group. How did you keep it together?
You got some addiction going on, you got.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
A lot of yeah, multiple addictions.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
How did you guys stay together? What was the energy?
And are you? Are you the captain who's keeping everybody going?
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well? We all loved each other, right, like really loved
each other.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, people loved you.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Guys, Thank you, thank you. And we loved each other
and we knew we had a good thing, a fun
thing that we liked that was a strong bond, right,
And when you do. When you put your life on
the line with a group of people, it really solidifies
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the bond even more. That was infighting at times, like
any family, But over the twenty five years we've all
pretty much stuck together. There's we've had a couple problems,
but I think because we loved each other, right, I
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think that's how we got through it all. Any relationship
is tough, especially over twenty five years when you get
all this external shit with the money and whatever level
of fame you're reach or don't.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
People love the films, but they loved you guys too,
and that the love is powerful when you guys.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah, we care about each other. Yeah, and sometimes we
wanna just choke one another and do. There's been fights, sure,
there's been fist fights.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Jeff Tremaine and Rick Cossack, the cameraman have been in
six fist fights over the years. Wow. And Cossack is
so fucking pissed because Jeff's broke six pairs of his
glasses and never paid for a pair of glasses. Yet
they're together all the time.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, yeah, but you love that stuff. It makes you
Why isn't so funny?
Speaker 1 (35:30):
It's just so fucking funny. It still makes Cossack so
mad that Jeff's broke six pairs of his glasses. Cossack
boxes sometimes now and you just like, you'll tell his trainer.
I was gonna fuck Jeff up. I'm gonna fuck Jeff.
But he loves Jeff. That stuff is hilarious to right.
All the dysfunction right from I mean that kind of
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stuff starts at the top. Right, it's a very dysfunctional family.
And that's on you know, Jeff and me.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
You know, you're a savvy kat. You have the first
one come out, You're thinking about what's next?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Right, No, no, no, no, I thought that was it.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You said there could be one.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, really, like, we did it.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
What do you think that that's kind of it. We're
kind of all going to go on our own or what.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
There wasn't a lot of ever, a lot of forethought
with Jackass. We did the first movie. I'm like, Okay,
we did it. Jeff went off to film Wild Boys
with Steve O and Pontias, and every now and then
I would go out filming with him, and I ended
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up in Russia with them, minding my own business while
I was over there. Apparently, I was like really game
to shoot and just we're doing some obstacle course with
the Russian Special Forces and I was like, okay, okay,
why don't we They have attack dogs here, so at
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the first let let the attack dog attack me, and
then they have him shoot me with rubber bullets and
then at the end have a guy karate kick me
in the head and then we'll have it. And Jeff
kind of pulls me to the side and goes, look,
if you're going to go this big for Basic Cable,
why not just do another movie and I and I
(37:32):
was like, oh, oh yeah, yeah, maybe you're right, and
that's what that's one. We did number two, and after
number two we had a big closing, a big musical closing.
I'm like, well, we're never going to top that, so
we're done. I just always thought we were done. Yeah,
(37:53):
you said, I'll.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
All act, I'll produce things. I'm in right.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I remember for when we were doing Jack Guess number two,
we met with Converse and they're like, what what is
your guys five year playing? And Jeff and I. He
looked at me, and I looked at him. I'm like,
I don't, we don't. We don't have a five year plan.
Fast forward like to two thousand nine ish and I
(38:17):
start getting that itch again.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I'm watching Tom and Jerry a lot and writing ideas
down and and then I stack up a bunch of
ideas and I that I suggested Jeff we do another one.
And that's what led to.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Three Get the Get the Band back together.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, And they had always wanted to do it. The
guys had always wanted to do it. I guess I
was the hold up why I didn't want to do.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
It, just not there. And then it's just because.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Like when I decide I'm going to do it, like
I know what that means, right, I know that I'm
going to put myself on the line, and I know
what can go wrong. I have to really want to
do it, And at some points in my life I
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was like, let's go. Now, let's do it again.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
As you're getting older in these in the films, are
you starting to think, Hey, my body's a little different.
Are you nervous about getting injured?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Well?
Speaker 2 (39:22):
What was your first big injury? Yeah, and answer that question.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
After my last concussion on Jack asked forever where I
had is a stunt with the bull I got a concussion,
a brain hemorrhage. I broke my rib, my wrist. At first,
I thought I was all right, you know, but over
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the next three to four months, I slowly just slipped away.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
You were offline.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
My creative brain turned against me. Yeah, I was offline.
You saw me. Then I was offline. I was completely opposite.
I was like, bizarre, oh me.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You know, it's terrifying to know your brain's not operating.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
I didn't know that, right. My attorney said, your brain
is telling you things that are happening that aren't. It's
terrifying to look back at. But when you're in it,
you don't realize you're in it. That's what's scary, because
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you're getting bad information. And I feel so much empathy
for people who are in that same situation, right, And
maybe they don't have access to help, or they don't
have friends, or they you know, they're stranded. But I'm
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very fortunate I had access to help. I had friends. Man,
I'm so glad I got out of that. I mean,
you saw me. It was it was, it was. It
was awful.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
It's scary, it's really.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And I had medicine to help get me back online, too.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Right, medicine and a lot of love, a lot of.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Support, medisine, a lot of love. Also you take the
time to like, Okay, what in my life is not working?
What is not serving me? How can I not cut
down on the chaos that you cause? Because I felt
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like that was a real bottom for me, and holy shit,
the only way was like I wanted to kind of
rebuild me, right, yeah, because I almost lost it.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Very close, yep, very close, Yeah, very close.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Them bulls are mains, you know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, Yeah, it hard for me to watch that. I was,
you know, when I was thinking about our show, I
looked at that. It was really hard for me to
watch that because I you're the expert. Obviously there's a
way to land from getting hit by a bull, right.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
I knew there was trouble that day when I showed up,
and when you're dealing like I m Garby the Fuse
bull ring in the Pomo, there's lots of soft dirt.
It's like this thick lots of soft dirt in the ring.
When I got to the place that day, it was
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a cold December day, December twentyeth. I think we shot
late to Chris and it was just hard ground. Maybe
a little this much dirt. I'm like, that's going to
be that could be a problem. I made a joke
about it, but I knew what I was what could happen,
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and and yeah, with way I hand way I deal
with bulls, I want to get above them because it's
not fun being under them. And they always drop their
head right before they hit you. So I give a
little hop. So they hit me up in there and
hopefully I can, you know, come back around and land
(43:35):
somewhere under my feet. But this time I missed time
I jump. I jumped too early and so I went up,
but I started on my way back down and he
just shit whip me into like uh I did like
what what's uh? Five point forty And the only thing
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that stopped my momentum was the back of my head
on that cold, hard ground.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's basically a cement.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
Basically cement. We're dealing with cement, right, Yeah, not optimal,
but it's like one of those things I said I
was going to do it, and I wasn't going to
not do it. I wasn't there for that, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
And how long after that did he realize something, Well,
I fucked myself up good here I didn't.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I didn't right right because I slowly slipped away, you know,
I slowly my cognitive skills slowly slipped away. My connection
to reality slowly slipped away.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
M M.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
I couldn't understand what I was going through until I
was out of it. The brain's a funny thing.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
You come online again, Yes, then you look in the
mirror and it's trying to try, who in the fuck
am I? What's important? Right now?
Speaker 1 (45:00):
Family?
Speaker 2 (45:01):
Family?
Speaker 1 (45:01):
You know? My kids? Finally I decided, well, you know
what you're You're important too. I don't know how much
I considered that up until then. So try to forgive
myself for what I just went through, and kind of
look at myself and really need to get rid of
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the things that don't serve me, don't serve my kids,
try and be at peace because I'd been at war
with myself for so long, long time. Yeah, forgiving yourself?
Speaker 2 (45:46):
Why is that so hard? Why is it so important
to forgive yourself? Brother?
Speaker 1 (45:52):
Well, if you can't show that love to yourself, who
you're going to show that to? Right kind of starts
here and then you can start to healthily share. That
shouldn't be a big moment to love yourself, right, if
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you had gotten all the tools you needed. And but
it was a big moment for me.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That was a big moment for you. Yeah, but also
to what I witnessed in you, brother, that same determination
with the stunts, We're going to figure this out. You
made a declaration to yourself. I'm going to figure this
out with myself.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. I had to figure it out. No, No, I didn't, No,
I did. I didn't, but I did. Right. It's like
there was no other way, right, at least in my head.
This is how it's got to be. It's got to
be that way every day.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
You know. I can't be this way for while it
while you're feeling good or why things are going good? No,
it's you gotta be disciplined and live the way you want.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
Every day, that's right. And you're doing that. Yeah, and
you're the happiest you've ever been.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
And why are you the happiest you've ever been? Brother?
Speaker 1 (47:22):
That there's a whole lot of reasons for that.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I want to hear it because I like celebrating you. Man.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh, you know, I just have so much time for
better things now, you know. Just I'm clearer, so I
can just more focused on being creative, getting to spend
time with my kids. I met this amazing woman, and
(47:53):
I'm finally, I'm finally worthy of a great relationship. And
I'm so grateful for her and and us, and I
feel like I'm you know, I feel like I have
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something to offer too.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
So you have real partnership.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It's a real partnership, right, no bullshit, no secrets.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
No secrets, no jive, no funny, no bullshit.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Honestly, that urge has left me, right, I don't know
how to put it.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
Well, you just put it that so succinctly. It's gone, yeah,
right because you wanted it gone. Yeah, you wanted it gone.
You had a sick and tired moment.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, it's like just thinking about my kids. I went
to the UH, I took them to the Playboy Cardi
concert the other night. It's so if I didn't even
realize someone sent me a video. They it was like
they showed Playboycardi and then they cut then they panned
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down to this one old dude in a green cowboy
shirt standing in a sea of black T shirts, and
it was so funny. I didn't realize I was the
only one wearing a primary color that night, everyone was
in all black. I was the lone person in a
primary color. But it was my kids had so much
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fun and it was fun watching them have fun. But
I was the old dude at the Playboy CARDI show.
Speaker 2 (49:40):
And that's a beautiful thing. Brother, No, I love that.
Speaker 4 (49:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
How people want to know, how do you stay grounded?
How do you stay centered? How do you not let
all this stuff influence how you live your daily life?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
You know, I had plenty for many years, spinning out
a bit, and I just got I just got fucking
sick of it.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
I care about me. I care about my children, my fiance,
my friends, and my work. Right that's where all my
focus is. Right, It's just wonderful positive things, right, like
the darkness and that negativity like your heart Like it's rare.
(50:34):
It's rare. I mean, I don't want to get into it,
but it's it's where you meet someone that's so negative
that successful. Now, you could point to many things in
our society right now, but before before this, it was
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rare that you ever met someone that was super negative
that was successful.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Can I tell you what I expect. It's with you
once you put your arms around self love. Once you
actually forgave yourself, Yeah, really forgive yourself, then you could
take the gratitude in every day. Yeah, and then you can.
And then your heart's just open. And I think you
have such an appreciation that you're not in that darkness anymore.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:22):
And your body's healthy and your heads. You just surround
yourself with loving, kind people. Yeah, and you're doing great. Shit,
you're busy, you're doing great projects. You're more in demand
than ever.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah. I've been very lucky. Yeah, and again I've made
my own luck.
Speaker 2 (51:38):
So what does that mean when you say made my luck?
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Well, it's acknowledging that I did something too right, which
I never did.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
You have an art show coming up?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Yes, we have a Jackass art show coming up. I
just thought that's our twenty fifth anniversary, why don't we
have an art show. And there's some great are artists
like on the crew and a couple in the cast,
and then we reach out to artists we admire too,
and we took some big swings and big swings. Yeah,
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I'm very excited. Right, Yeah, it's yeah, it's a lot
of work. Who knew curating our show is so much work?
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
So what's next for these dumb ideas? And throw them out?
And then they take shape? You're like, oh shit, it
is a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
What's next for you? What else do you want to
be doing?
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Man, same thing I've been doing, just producing films, acting
in films, making documentaries, driving my daughter to volleyball, my
son to baseball. Probably more concerts where I'm the old
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cook sitting in there in a bright red shirt or something.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Man.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, that's a beautiful thing, brother.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
See can we do some rapid fire questions and I'll
let you go? Can we do that?
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 1 (53:03):
You don't know if I'm to have any good answers.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think you might. Let's see what I came up with.
Some doozies I think for you, brother, I came up No, no,
what do you mean? Just randos? No? Okay, okay, yeah,
just see what comes to mind? Evil?
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Oh? Complicated, very complicated man, right, Ei. There's so many
sides of them. I adore in some sides.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Okay, what hurts more a broken river or a broken heart? Heart?
Speaker 1 (53:34):
Rib suck, though, I'll tell you that rib suck.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
What's the dumbest idea you ever said yes to.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Oh god, I think they're all were stupid. Oh man,
you no, take your time, brother. Well, the thing that
the idea is I said yes to, I wrote, So
I'm the blame. It's not like anyone like talk me
into it. It's my fault.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
I got it again, buddy, All right, when's the last
time he really truly scared yourself?
Speaker 4 (54:05):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (54:06):
I would say what I would say March twenty first
Dish twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
Right, yeah, what's the most painful thing you've ever laughed through?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
You know what? Out of all the things I did
pain wise, concussions, breaks.
Speaker 4 (54:32):
Whatever, pepper spray fucking sucks because it's like someone lit
a fire in your eye and put it out with gasoline,
And for twenty minutes I could barely even open my eyes,
and you're it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (54:47):
Right. Finally, after like forty five minutes, they put milk
in your eyes. That milk doesn't fucking help. Finally, like
you're forty five minutes later, you're kind of feeling like
yourself again. Go home later that at night, wash your face,
and boom, the water reactivates it and you're back in there. Oh,
it's terrible stuff.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Okay, what's the most dangerous thing that wasn't caught on camera?
Speaker 1 (55:14):
Oh? Shit, most dangerous thing not caught on camera?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Nothing comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Nothing comes to mind. It's like as it was all
on camera everything.
Speaker 2 (55:23):
Okay, yeah, I don't know if there's one thing we
fucking did and it was incredible.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
No, trust me. We we blew a lot of h takes,
like Lyn's cap on the camera or someone's filming up
there at the sky for some reason, but we managed
to always someone had it. We had so many cameras.
I remember I got hit by a car once. We
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had four cameras, only one camera got it. It was
like three dudes. I don't know what they were actually
know what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Yeah, okay, we'll keep Emily.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Oh that's my love.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah, right on. Man, When what's the first time you
realized I'm not like everyone else?
Speaker 1 (56:13):
I don't know. I think everyone has that feeling that
you're an individual and not like everyone else. It wasn't
until years later I thought maybe I can do something
like nobody else. But that was.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Took a while.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
Took a long time to even like give myself credit, like,
oh well, I think what you're doing is all right?
Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1 (56:49):
Man.
Speaker 2 (56:50):
What's one rule you've never followed?
Speaker 1 (56:53):
Oh? Man, I fucking cannot stand for somebody to tell
me what to do. I will most always do the opposite.
I don't know, I don't. Emily laughs about it all
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the time, like, I don't know, I don't know why that.
Speaker 2 (57:19):
Is still got out of the mom in you.
Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, I just you know, I think I've done so
much work on myself and then someone tells me what
to do, and I'm like, Nope.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
Who's the craziest genius you've ever worked with?
Speaker 1 (57:35):
Spikes brilliant right, not just from a creative standpoint, but
likes he sees the whole field right, business, the creative
He's gifted and I'm so fortunate to have him as
(57:56):
my mentor. Because we first got into the business, Jeff
and I didn't know shit. All we knew was Spike.
I mean, we had our points of view and our
you know, whatever we thought could be funny. Suddenly we
were two dummies to be Wow, two dummies who know Spike?
(58:21):
People thought we knew something.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
What's the one thing you still haven't tried but want to?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
God, that's a good. That's an excellent question. You know,
with my personality, if something I want to do, I'm
going to find a way to do it. I would
say probably something like that. Some countries I haven't been
to because other stuff, like I will, I'll give it
(58:53):
a shot. You know, I'll always give it a shot.
Speaker 2 (58:58):
If you could really live one stunt just for the feeling,
which would it be.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
God helped me, but I uh, I know I can't
because of all my concussions, but I do miss playing.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
With bulls, right, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah, but I'm out of the kids and I'm out
out of the But it's so weird, like because I'm
in and I know it's like I I I don't
want to jeopardize anything, but I'll see someone get smoked
in a video. I'm like, oh man, I start longing
(59:38):
for that. I'm like, what am I doing? What am
I longing for? But you're not careful. It slips in
and then you're like, Okay, you're fine, You're fucking fine.
You're not you're out of the bull business.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
You're out of the bull business. What's your definition of bravery?
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Devo was more like he was so wrapped up in
alcohol and We're not even alcohol that much, just the
worst drugs a human can do. One day, it clicked
and he turned it around, and he since he stopped
(01:00:21):
drugs like he has not turned back. He faces that
dragon every day and defeats it. People are like, oh.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Did this with this stunt of them, like, that's that's
that's not bravery in my eyes. What Steve O does
every day is that's real bravery.
Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yeah, blessed to no brothers steal an incredible journey that gout.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, Hey, go to STEVEO dot com. I'm gonna get
some of my.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
All right almost done.
Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm happiest when I'm at home with Emily and the
kids and our lazy dog.
Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
What songs should play when you walk into the room?
Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yaggety Sacks by Boots Randolph?
Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Look at that Yaggetty Sacks?
Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
All right? What's Oh no? Then you got to license
it so I can't do it?
Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Okay. What's one thing you tell every wild kid watching
right now?
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Drink your milk, mind your mama, and don't take shit
from anybody.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Boy, finish your sentence, buddy, Life's too short not to.
Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Give it a go.
Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Yeah, thanks, brother, I love you. So much.
Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Love you, no, thank you, yeah big.
Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Time all right, yeah yeah right yeah yeah, Dudezebo dot
com thank you. The Sino Show is a production of
iHeart Podcasts, hosted by me Cina McFarlane, produced by pod
People in twenty eighth. Av Our lead producer is Keith Carnelik,
(01:02:11):
Our executive producer is Lindsay Hoffman. Marketing lead is Ashley Weaver.
Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next week.
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