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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So twenty nine and what happens It like that leads
you to like, it's time for me. They actually seriously
consider getting sober.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Well. I was abducted and sexually assaulted by an uber driver.
So I get on the bus trying to figure out
where I'm going, and then this guy hits on me.
Of course seven am. I look like hell. And this
guy's like, hey, I just want to say you're beautiful,
and I was like, are you fucking serious? Right now?
The taxi driver came back and dropped off because you
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left your all your shit in the car, and then
she takes off my cover. She's like to yell at me.
She's like, get up, you know, and big spooning a
tombstone pizza and she's like, are you fucking kidding me?
She's like, you have a tombstone pizza with you and
you don't have your purse.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Welcome back to the Sino Show. I'm your host, Sino McFarland.
Today's guest is a truth teller with a Mike Tyson
left hook. She minds the mess, dating, recovery, all this
stuff we hide and turns it into relief. You've seen
her with Comedy Central. She built a Snapchat series Get Money,
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and she's a Webby winner for making mental health fucking
hilarious and human. Hannah Dickison, Welcome to the scene.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Sure, thank you what a good interest.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
You are a massive talent. I really I just want
to say thank you for making me laugh all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh thanks.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's a real blessing what you do. And I'm it's
a real privileged to have you on the show. So
thank you, no.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Where are you from?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm from Virginia. Originally, were you funny?
Speaker 1 (01:32):
From the gate?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I think I was pretty funny in high school, and
I yeah, yeah, I think I was always pretty funny.
I you know, in high school, you're not really funny
or kind of weird or awkward, I guess. I remember
I was sitting next to this really hot guy in
my grade. He was like the hottest guy to me,
and he told me I was one of the weirdest
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people he's ever met, but I was really funny, and
I thought that meant he liked me, And then I
realized men don't really like funny women, so that's not
what he was saying at all. But so I think
I've always been funny and I don't know if I
was intentionally funny as a child. It was more just
the things I said made people laugh. And then as
I got older, I intentionally said things to make people laugh.
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But I think growing up I was just a little odd.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Were you a happy kid? Were you anxious kid?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Were you anxious?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Anxious?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Happy kid, but anxious. I've always been super anxious.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
And why is that? I think just genetics, genetics mom
dad anxious, dad, dumpy, dad's jumpy.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
My mom is anxious too. My cousins and I laugh,
and I don't think my mom and my aunt would
laugh at this, but they're very I don't want to
say overbearing, but they were very tough on us. So
me and my cousins, these two girls were all alcoholics,
and we all don't drink anymore, and our moms do drink,
and we're like, I wonder how we got here. Yeah,
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But not to blame our mothers. But it's just funny
that I think our moms are pretty hard on us.
But I think that's also good because I had friends
in high school whose parents were so easy on them,
and then they didn't have a work ethic or they
didn't develop discipline.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
So you're in high school. What are you studious? Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Trade a student?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Straight a student?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah? Wow, ap classes. Captain of my high school dance team,
National Honor Society dance team. Yes, really, Yes, we were bad.
We were bad. We would do competitions in place eighth
out of eight, so we were bad.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Right enjoyed it?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I did enjoy it. I like performing, so that was
the way to do it in high school.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
I guess what were you thinking, like, I'm going to
get out of here? This is where you like already?
Where's your where's your head at?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
I originally want to go to UVA actually because it
was just the best school in Virginia. But then I
got waitlisted for a week, and during that week I
got into USC Film School.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I had gone on NYU audition growing up. I'd been
a couple MU films. I always want to act. I
audition for Hannah Montana as a child, so I'd always
go up to New York to audition. So I thought
if I was going to go to LA and pursue
film and television, I should do it in college. So
then I ended up getting off the waitlist at EVA.
I want everyone to know that but I ended up
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choosing USC because I thought if I wanted to pursue this,
I should go to LA.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Well that's a very difficult program to get into.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
So yeah, yeah, so yeah, I felt like I had
to go and my parents are very supportive.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So what was your first first year like at SC.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
I struggled because I didn't drink in high school really,
and I didn't interact with boys really, so it was
my first time wow awfu lash drinking and kissing boys.
And I think I had a warp perception of what
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I was in college for. Like I was talking to
someone about there will be blood the other day and
I was like, oh, yeah, I just saw that. And
they were like, did to go to USC Film School?
I'm like, I skipped so many films because I was
partying and I probably went out six nights a week
my freshman year.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
From the gate, it happened like.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That, Yeah, they say you have It's like, I forget
what the syndrome is. But when you go to college,
if you've been like a really good kid and then
you go to college and you lose your mind, that
was me.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Not so good with boys, not drinking at all. You
get there and it's on.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's on.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
It's pretty progressive for you.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, And I was funny, so I could laugh off
embarrassing things that happened if I was too drunk. I
remember one one time I came home really drunk on
a Wednesday, and I was really loud and I disrupted
all the people in the lobby studying, and so they
sent the ra to my room to get me in trouble.
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But I had at that point kind of sobered up
and I washed my face. I'd gotten into a robe,
and they were like, we hear I answered the door
and I seem okay, and they said, we hear your
roommate has been really disruptive. And my roommate was this
very sweet, very studious engineer, first generation, this Asian girlhoo
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didn't speak great English. And I was still pretty drunk
at that point, and I was like, oh, yeah, she
was a mess when she came in. And they were like, oh, okay,
well we need her ID so that we can write
her up. And I was like, oh, she lost her ID.
I can't give that to you. She was too drunk.
She lost it. And they said we need to come
in and make sure that she's okay, because we were
told she was really drunk. I said, okay, come on in.
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So they came into my room and they were like
checking her breathing, and then they looked at this like
sweet girl sleeping, and then they looked at me and
they were like, wait, you're the drunk girl, and I
was like, gotcha. That was like an example of like
I thought it was so funny in the moment, but
it was just like such a crazy thing to do
to someone. I mean, she never woke up, and she
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to this day has no idea how. Yeah, I was
just I would do crazy things and then laugh about it.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
When was the first time you had concern like this
might be a problem.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I think in college it was tough because so many
people were drinking and it was such a drinking culture,
and there were people that were worse than me. Crazy
shit happened all the time. But I think one time
I passed out in a lawn, passed out in a lawn,
in a frat lawn, and this random girl and her
boyfriend walks me home and I had no idea how
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I got home, and then like I lost my phone
or something, and it was just a very bad incident.
Where I think something really bad could have happened. But
I had this random girl walking up. I had no
idea who she was. And then a year and a
half later, I was like, oh, hi, Amana to this
girl and she was like, yeah, I know you are,
like I walked you home. Then I think there were
moments like that where I was like, oh, that's that
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was bad. But I never really thought, oh, I should
get sober in college. I just I thought it was
a part of being in college and people blacked out
all the time, you know. I it was like, let's
get black out tonight.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
You know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It was just such a a joke of how we drank,
and so I never really saw it as a problem.
And then when I graduated. I think I went to
my first AA meeting when I was twenty two, right
because I kept fucking up and losing.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
A phone or I would lose phones.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I lost a lot of phones. I also took a
lot of ambulance rats or I was woken up a
lot by ambulances. I started to be like, Okay, Like,
once you're not on a college campus and with your
friends and someone carrying you home, like you're in the
real world, things get pretty dangerous and things kept happening.
So I would take a break from drinking and then
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I'd be like, oh, I didn't drink for a month.
It was so easy. I'm gonna drink again.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Was there concern from friends? Where is concerned from your parents?
Speaker 2 (09:01):
My mom was very concerned, but my dad was like,
she'll grow out of it, and my friends not really
because my friends drank too, So I surrounded myself. I
mean my friends now they did grow out of it.
They don't really drink anymore. But I think it was again,
when you're in a college environment, it's just so normalized that.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
And did you You were able to graduate?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I almost didn't because I failed ceramics because I I
like didn't really go to class, but I was. I
was doing stand up and I was in the stand
up competition, so I had to miss a few classes
and my teacher said it was fine, but she hated me. Also,
my projects did suck, but like, it's it's ceramics. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Do you have any awkward coffee mugs from your surroundics class?
Speaker 2 (09:49):
I have this one big pot and that my dad
has it in his bathroom in Virginia, And he was
like I'm never getting rid of this. This was a
two hundred thousand dollars pot.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah that shit. Yeah, all right, so you leave, You're
still drinking, you're still partying. You went to your first meeting? Why?
At twenty two, I.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Fell asleep at an uber and the Uber driver couldn't
wake me up because I'd pass out really hard. That
was my issue. I'd pass out really really hard when
I was shooting, and so he called an ambulance. Then
the security of my building called my parents because they
were my emergency contact. My friend went to the hospital
to find me. I never ended up going to hospital
because the paramedic woke me up and I was like what,
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like so like what, but why are you bothering me?
You know, sleeping? You know I'm trying to sleep here.
So I was just so rude. My mom after that
was like, you really need to get your shit together.
So I stopped. I went to a d AA meeting
because I was like, that's bad, and.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
How was that first experience for you.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I didn't really want to get sober. Right the way
people talked about alcoholism in that meeting, I didn't connect
to it at all. I didn't really know what they
were saying, like one girl, I remember her saying she
lost her designer sunglasses and she was so pissed about
it and she's like, but I know that's my alcoholism
just acting up. And in my head I was like, no,
you lost your fucking sunglasses. Like I'd be pissed too.
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What I don't not everything is alcoholism. Everything felt like
like people were sober for six years and they were
still like this is so hard, Like I just and
I'm like, these people are sober and they're not happy,
like buying for you, Yeah, I just wasn't buying ready.
I wasn't ready. I was like, this is just no,
I'm not this And then I'd hear horrible stories and
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I was like, well, that's not me. And I remember
one woman though, said to me, because I was like
crying in the meetings, I was just like, I don't
know if I need to be here, you know, just
it's just emotional to be in an AA meeting at
twenty two. And this woman was like, even if you
don't feel like you should be here now, it's good.
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You want to be here before you feel like you
have to be here, And I was like, uh huh, sure,
and then I was sober, I think for a month
or two, and then I started.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Drinking a party and so you're living in LA still
and you're what are you how you're a living doing
stand up then?
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Or you're doing stand up? And I was poly Shor's assistant.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh my god, yes, Wow that must have been interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
What was your tap out moment? What was your when
it was like, I'm done?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
When I was twenty nine?
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Twenty nine, so seven years you kept your dance? Wow? Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
There were fun times in there, but there were still
bad moments, and my anxiety was so horrible, and the
way I acted with guys is so embarrassing to think
about now. I couldn't even tell you one guy's name
that I probably texted like seven times about, you know
what I mean. Like I was just a love addict
in the in a way because I was drinking and
I wanted the attention from whatever guy would give it
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to me. And a lot of my friends when I
was in LA from college were big drinkers too, so
it didn't feel like I was that crazy, if that
makes sense. I was a little bit worse than everyone,
but only a little bit worse when I was drinking.
It was like I needed to be talking to a
guy constantly getting the attention, getting the attention, the validation.
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And when I stopped drinking, I just stopped caring about
that as much. And I think it's because I had
more self esteem.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay, So twenty nine and what happens it like that
leads you to like, it's time for me to actually
seriously consider getting sober.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Well. I was abducted and sexually assaulted by an uber driver.
I woke up on my birthday in his house in Compton,
and he tried to play it off like we had
hooked up, but I remember him being the driver, like
that was the last thing I remembered. I woke up
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at six am and I started screaming, and he let
me out of the house and I went to FaceTime
my friend, but my phone. She was like, holy shit,
are you okay? And it dies, So I have a
dead phone. I'm in Compton. I've nowhere to go. So
I remember running down Obama Avenue, I think it was
I went to a gas station and I tried to
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get a charger and like, I was like, I don't
have a charger, and I was like, well, can you
charge this for me? Or can I use a phone?
He was like no. I was like, I was just
I was like screaming at this gas station like I
need help, I need help, And he was just like
he just thought I was a crazy person because I
looked like Charlie's there and a monster like I looked
absolutely insane. And so I run down the street, the
main street, and I go to a motel that they
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have there and I asked for a phone. They say no.
I said, okay, can I get a room. I'll get
a room and they'll have a phone in the room.
They were like, our rooms are booked. I was like,
oh Jesus, and it's six in the morning, so like
Carl's Junior, is it open? Like not a lot's open?
So I get on the bus trying to figure out
where I'm going. So I and then this guy hits
on me. Of course seven am. I look like hell.
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And this guy's like, hey, I just want to say
you're beautiful, And I was like, are you fucking serious
right now? I was like no, I'm not, and get
away from me. Like I was so rude, and I
just couldn't believe that. I was like men will do anything.
And then I see a Starbucks on the other side
of the street, so it's like going the opposite direction
in traffic. So I pull on the bus to let
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me out, and then I run to Starbucks. And it
was one of those moments where like in a movie
where someone's like help and everyone freezes for a second
and then goes back to their normal day, like it
was just a normal thing. And I got the landline
at Starbucks and I called my dad, who called my friend,
who picked me up, and then I spent my twenty
ninth birthday in the UCLA Rape Center. And this was
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a friend who I drink with and had always encouragement,
not encourage my drinking, but like was never like you
need to get so you like never, it was like,
you don't have a problem. And then that day she
was like, you do have a problem. You have a problem.
And I was like, yeah, i'd.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Hit so whatever it hit.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
When she said that, yeah, I was just like, I
don't know how much worse it can get than this death.
I was like, this is the lowest point in my life.
I didn't have a lease in New York because I
had actually been dating this guy in New York and
we're going to move in together. But we were drinking
all the time. It was like one of those relationships
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where I moved very fast. We were drinking. I was like,
and but he would yell at me all the time,
and I was he would get drunk and scream at me.
And so we had just broken up. So I didn't
have a place to live, like, I didn't have a
lease or anything. And I was supposed to go to
Hawaii after to like be with my friend for two weeks,
Like I was just gonna take this big vacation for
my birthday, and I ended up re routing everything and
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spending a month in rehab. So it kind of worked
out in a weird way, like the timing because I
had already taken two weeks off of work, so my
work said I could take a month. They were really
good about it. And I didn't have a lease or anything,
so I kind of had nowhere to be but rehab.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Did you fly to Tucson from LA? What was that flight? Like?
What was going through your head after this horrible crisis,
this horrible assault on you.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
My mom had flwn out to LA to be with me.
I remember just feeling like I didn't know what to expect,
and I was like, I can't believe I'm here in
a way, because again, I was a straight A student.
I was in high school. I was a go getter,
and I've always I'm still a hard worker, like I
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am a go getter. But it just felt a little
embarrassing and I felt like I had failed in a way.
But I honestly felt ready, and I felt so mind
fucked by everything that just happened, Like I had just
gotten out of this crazy relationship. I had flown to
La and this thing happened, and I kind of felt
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like where else was I gonna go? Because all I
could think about was what had just happened, and I
I didn't want to have to go hang out with people.
There was no other place I could have gone. I
don't think like I was going to go to the meadows,
but they had a month wait, and I was like,
I don't want to wait a month, like because if
you if I waited a month, I would have been
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thinking about it the whole time, and I just there
was just I needed to go the next day.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
What was some the greatest takeaway from Sierra Susan for you?
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I think that mental health has a lot to do
with alcoholism, where I always thought alcoholism could be controlled,
Like I was like, I control everything else in my life.
I work really hard, I study really hard. If I
have an assignment or if I have a show, you know,
doing stand up, like I can sit down and write
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and really focus. So I felt like I could control
my drinking and that I would be able to control
it and it was just something that I needed to
work on instead of letting it go. And then when
I realized I have my brain scan in rehab, which
is pretty interesting. Even though people say you can't tell
what your disorders are through a brain scan, I don't know.
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This guy read me like a book. He was like
he was like, oh, are you a binge drinker? And
I was like yeah. He was like, yeah, your anxiety
is so high that your brain takes in one drink
as medication. So that's why you continue to drink, because
once you have one or two, the people have a
thing in their brain that's like I've had enough, and
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your brain doesn't have that. And so hearing that was
kind of a relief in a way. I was like, Oh,
so this isn't my fault. It's like when someone is
diabetic or has a gluten allergy. It's like you can't
control it, like I'm never going to fix that. I
think that was like a big eye opener and that
he could see that, and I finally felt like by
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him reading my brain, I finally felt understood. I was like, see,
it's not my fault, This isn't my fault. I just
need to stop drinking. I'm literally allergic to alcohol, right.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Literally, do you remember the first time you said I'm Hannah,
I'm an alcoholic and you actually meant it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I think in rehab? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We had a meetings in rehab and other people in
rehab were there for court ordered or whatever, and they
the way they talked about it, other people were fighting
it and seeing other people fight it. I was like, Oh,
that sucks that you're in here and you still don't
think you have a problem. It felt like once I
went to rehab, it was like, Okay, I'm officially an alcoholic,
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Like I got a certificate of alcoholism in a way, right, yeah,
I'm an alcoholic. When'd you go to rehab? No one's
trying to drink with you or no one's like, oh,
do you really have a problem. You're like, yeah, I've
been to rehab. They're like, oh, okay, you have an issue.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You got an issue. What you told me? You met
a really interesting woman there, Yes, you tell me a
little about her. What did she Yeah, she sounds sounds
like fun She was so.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Funny and like I think when she left, I was
ready to go, Like we just had such a good
bond and like she was so funny and cool, and
she had a really bad adderall addiction that was her issue.
And so she was ordering Riddlin from Mexico and she
was buying so much of it. She was on an
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FBI watch list because they thought she was selling it,
and then she was still buying it and she would
have it sent to like a po box, but because
of her last name, it got sent to the local
grocery store and they opened it up and then they
basically she was coo ordered to be in rehab. But
she was like, I think, I just fucking hate my husband,
Like I don't even think I'm addicted to Like that's
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where she found the source of her addiction. Like she
was just like I think, And then I ended up
talking to her a year after and she was like, yeah,
I divorced my husband and I don't take attall anymore.
I'm like, that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
How did you heal from the assault and your anxiety?
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I think the first two years, to be honest, at
ever rehab, until I was thirty one, I was not
well mentally, but it showed up in different ways, like
I actually kind of developed an adderall addiction, Like I
have ADHD, and I was taking adderall like normally, and
then after rehab, I would like take it, you know,
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double up a day or triple up a day and
then we'll get some from my friend, you know, but
I need it. So that was like a very secret
addiction I had, which was only making my anxiety worse.
I like yelled at a couple guys. They were like
being assholes, like normal asshole shit, like nothing, nothing too crazy,
but the way I freaked out on that action was
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so severe that they were like one guy, go be gouse.
We've met three times and I was like, sorry, yeah,
like it kind of it, but I think it was
because I had been treated because of what I had
gone through, I was just like mad at every man,
If that makes sense. Yeah, I was just like, oh,
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of course, you're a fucking asshole, you know what I mean?
Where it was just I shouldn't have been dating for
a while. I think it would come out in different
ways and I would lash out about things and looking
back and kind of embarrassed by a lot of my behavior.
But I forgive myself because I went through a lot,
and honestly, the people I lashed out at they weren't innocent.
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They weren't great people. You know, they did some things
that weren't the nicest. But I definitely overreacted. But I
mean it was just kind of a part of my healing.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And you got some therapy, yeah, and you were pretty
committed to it, and you got off the adderall anxiety
got better. Yeah, And he stopped yelling at man a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Toop yelling at men. I stopped going out with man,
I stopped dating man, and I weirdly my anxiety calmed
down a lot. And then I started dating like a
nice guy last year for a little and I was
like a very nice experience. I was like, oh, men
can be nice. We ended up having zero in common,
so it didn't work out, but it was nice to
have like a nice experience with them. Man, I haven't
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really dated after him, so.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
You see he's been sober how long now from alcohol?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Since May twenty twenty one. May eighteen, twenty twenty one
is my sober date.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Right, And you don't miss it at all.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I don't miss it because my drinking is not normal drinking.
When I see other people having a cocktail, I'm like, ugh,
I kind of wish I could do that. There's a
part of me that wishes I could have a martini
and then a glass wine with dinner and be done,
or be able to have a martini and be like woh,
like that's enough for me. But I know I will
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never be like that, so I don't miss it. I
feel like it's like someone who yeah, has any other
is CELIACX and is like I'm sure they're like, yeah,
it'd be nice to have some pasta, but like it
makes me very sick. I don't miss getting sick.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And you love being sober?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Do I love being sober?
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
It just feels like a handicap in a way, socially
a little bit. It's not, but it feels like with dating,
like you know, I have to be like, yeah, I'm sober,
and I also have herpes, Like there's just like I
wish I didn't have herpes, like it just it feels
like these things that It's like when someone says they're
(25:24):
sober to a non sober person, it's not alarming, but
some people don't want to deal with that or don't
understand it, so they can't be with that. And obviously
I don't want to be with someone who doesn't understand it.
That's crazy. But I think that also helped me back
from getting sober in my twenties, because I was like, well,
I want to date. I want to be normal, like
(25:44):
I just want to be like everyone else. And then
I've just accepted that I'm so lucky in other ways
and I have so much privilege in other ways that
this is just something I have to deal with and
I don't know, it's not that bad.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
It's not that bad.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, okay, Because I feel like now I see people
who like people who get drunk. I'm thirty three, people
who get like really drunk and really sloppy. I'm like,
all right, we're like a little for that.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Let's talk about your career.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, okay, let's talk about you.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
So how how did you end up We're doing all
this great stuff you're doing right now? Can you walk
us through that?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah? I got a manager. I was doing stand up
when working for Polly. I was doing like shows, open mics,
doing festivals, and then this one guy introduced me to
a manager in New York and he was like, you
should move to New York. And he was like a
pretty big manager. He had good clients. So I moved
to New York and I wrote on this show called
(26:42):
Comedy Knockout. Within a week of moving there, I somehow
got a job writing on this show on True TV.
And then a few months later I got a job
at Comedy Central doing their Creators Program, which was essentially
their digital SNL is what they wanted it to be,
ended up not being that, but I just made a
lot of content for them. That led to me selling
(27:02):
a Snapchat show, which was cool. It was a great
experience and I learned a lot. I learned a lot
about writing. I learned a lot about digital that medium
and how to I think connect with people. But I
was always kind of afraid to put myself out there
and post on my own, like I posted a lot
with Comedy Central because it felt like that was a
(27:22):
safety net, like I'm posting with a company, they have
my back, you know, But me just posting on my
own and putting my own jokes out there felt very vulnerable.
And I just didn't have enough self confidence to like
be an influencer or be constantly, I don't know, putting
my comedy out there in case it's cringe or if
something doesn't hit. And it wasn't until honestly my thirty
(27:45):
third birthday, so that was May, this May May twenty
twenty five, where I was like, I they laid us
all off at Comedy Central. Comedy Central is essentially nothing anymore,
and I don't I don't have that manager anymore. I
ended up leaving him because it just wasn't a good
fit anymore. And then so I don't have representation, Like
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I wasn't getting into festivals. I wasn't getting auditions for
like JFL, which is a big comedy competition or comedy
festival where you get seen. And I felt like I
had lost everything, Like I just was like, I'm not
going to do comed Like I can't even get up,
I'm not getting spots. I was. I was looking to
go into business school, this was like from thirty one
to thirty three, I was like very long. Two years
(28:30):
of that two years. Yeah, because I didn't have a job.
I was really depressed and I was just like I
didn't trust myself to just put myself out there. And
then on my thirty third birthday, I was like, Okay,
what the fuck do I want out of this life?
Like what do I want to do? And I have
always wanted to do comedy. I've always wanted to perform,
(28:51):
I've always wanted to write. And then I'm like, I
should just start posting, Like I'm just going to force
myself to post at least three times a week and
for a year, I'll do it for a year and
if it if I fall on my face and it
nothing hits and I hate it, then like in a year,
I can quit. But I can't quit until I try,
because I hadn't really tried. I had been complaining that
I lost my job, I wasn't getting things, like I
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was in this depression of like seeing people I started
with get things, and I was just like why not me,
Like why is this not happening for me? And and
worried about that and looking at other people and feeling
sorry for myself and then when I was like, I
don't I don't even care anymore. I'm just gonna start posting.
And then it like kind of honestly, like my first
(29:36):
few videos like hit immediately they really yeah itir One
of them was talking about like a shroom addiction I had,
like this silly hat on I was wearing this like
silly hat that I bought when I was on shrooms,
and uh, I was at. It was just basically I
was at talking about this crazy cowboy hat I had
because of a shrom addiction, and it was funny. People
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in the comments were like, you can't get addicted to shrooms.
You can't get addicted to shrooms, and I would always
come back. I can get addicted to anything, Like, yeah,
I guess you can't technically get addicted to shrooms, But
why was I doing them every single day eight am?
It sounds like an addiction to me.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
You made a bet on yourself, you said, fuck it,
this is what I want to do. At least I
have to prove to myself if it doesn't work, I
at least tried.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Yeah, Because I also was dating a guy after the
nice guy, I actually dated another guy and he was like,
I had posted a couple of videos and he was like,
you know, it's kind of hard to date you, Like
you talk about like dating in text and it's like,
I don't know, it's like a lot, and I was
so I was embarrassed, and I was like, oh, like,
is no one going to want to date me if
I post this crazy thing and this crazy persona and
(30:40):
is it even funny? Like I don't know. And then
I hadn't dated anyone for months on my birthday and
I was like, do I really want to stop doing
what I'm doing to maybe hopefully get a guy to
like me? That sounds fucking crazy. That's literally insane, Like
if I just stopped doing I love and hopes that
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a guy will marry me, that's insane. Like and also,
I am this person, so they're going to find out
eventually like I am cross and rude and like sarcastic,
So if they don't like my comedy, then they're probably
not gonna like me. And so I was just like,
I'm not going to date because I don't even want
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to think about that and I'm just going to focus
on this. And then I've just been focusing on comedy.
And then I randomly like met this guy at a restaurant.
I like saw him and I was like, oh, I
think we're making eye contact. And then we went out
and then I I so, yeah, he's like literally probably
where that door is, like so far across the room
(31:42):
and we're making eye contact, and I'm like, I have
my friend go give him my number and we go
on a date and he was like, oh, I have
to be honest about something, like I know who you are,
like I've seen your Instagram. I think you're really funny.
And I was like, oh, like the reason why I
was afraid of posting. And then I go out with
the guy and he's like, oh, I really like your
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videos and I'm like that's crazy because I say in
the same shit. So that's maybe a red flog, but
like it was just interesting, Like my biggest fear was
holding me back and it wasn't even.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
A reality, and so now you just don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I just don't really give a fuck. I mean, of course,
if a video bombs, I'm like, god damn it, like
this sucks. But now I'm like okay, like I've always
known I'm funny, I just like, haven't I lost a
lot of confidence after everything that happened, and I had
gone through some personal things with friends, like I ended
a relationship with my best friend of twelve years, and
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like I just was feeling like really down and it's
hard to be funny when you're down. And it was
just like I don't know if I'm a bummer, Like
it was just really hard to be funny and trust
myself and not care. So I just started posting and yeah,
I've I mean, it hasn't obviously changed my life yet,
but it's like given me opportunity is that I didn't
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have before?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
What are the opportunities that come out of it?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
People reaching out for auditions. I didn't get the audition,
but uh, a literary agent reached out. He also did
not send me, But the point is the reaching out.
And then this like podcast company reached out and we're like,
we'd like to develop a podcast with you, and it's
like a great company, and I was like, okay, cool.
It's been like I think I'm gaining confidence as the
(33:27):
more I just do it right.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, yeah, well you're very good at Can I can
we try something here? Can I give you some prompts
of some of my favorite reels.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Oh my gosh, I don't know what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well, I want to like some of the ones that
I that make me really fucking laugh that I honestly
think they're fucking genius. If I give you the tag,
can you just talk about me how you came up
with the waitress and the dad at the resort.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
A prime example of don't give a fuck is because
that actually happened. We were at a restaurant were my
dad and I we took a trip called a fifty
to fifty what she did with my brother. And it's
like when I was exactly half my dad's age, like
to the day or something. We go on a trip.
And so we went to the me or mar Rosemont
in Santa Barbara. Oh yeah, yeah, really nice resort and
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it's a lot of old men and young women couples, right,
And so my dad and I are at dinner and
the waiter was like, oh my gosh, is it your anniversary?
And I was like, no, this is my father. Like
I felt like every and every day at breakfast, I'd
be like, Dad, can you order me a you know,
a coffee? Just so I could say dad at the table.
I just thought it would be funny if the reason
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why I was upset is because my dad's too poor
for me and I and I honestly wasn't going to
post it because I was like, do I seem too spoiled?
I in my head? I got my head, and so
I didn't post it for a couple of days, and
then I challenge myself, I have to post three times
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a week. I have to. And my mom wants and
she laughed, and she goes, oh, Hannah, just fucking post it.
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Is it tracked? Well?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, I had over eight million views.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I'm like, oh my god, I no idea. I didn't
know that. Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, And I was like, thank god I posted it.
I almost didn't.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You have a really beautiful way of framing something in
such a quick time that is so specific and so
it's the truth. Though, thanks that's exactly what fucking happens.
But nobody I've never seen anybody who actually captures the
moment the way you do.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
But you're also so fucking vulnerable and sweet, and like, oh.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Fuck, I think I do feel social anxiety. I do
feel anxiousness. What helps me get through that now that
I don't have alcohol, is like, how is this funny?
Whenever I feel emotion, I'm like, that's when I get
inspired to like make a video because I'm like, other
people have to be feeling this way, Like I can't
be the only one who feels uncomfortable. When someone asked me,
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how are you single, like, it's like because you.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Say the things nobody's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Actually yeah, and I and I kind of do in
conversation too, Like I will say pretty blunt things and
I don't mean to, but I'll I don't want to
say it's autism, but like sometimes my friend will be
like can I you can't say that, that's so autistic,
and I'm like, uh, like, yeah, let's get let's get
to the point.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Sometimes I don't want to, Like I posted a video
about a yoga class and people in yoga are so
mad at me right now. They said I'm colonizing yoga
and I'm like, okay, Well, the person that owns the
ctudo is a white person, so I think the colonization early. Yeah,
people are pissed.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
The Tombstone pizza, Oh.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
That was real. I always thought that was kind of
a funny story to be honest, Like, I hooked up
with this guy when I was home in DC, and
I went to his fridge before I left, like I
called a car and then just opened his fridge to
see what he had available to me, and he had
frozen tombstone pizza. So I took it and then I
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go home to my house in Virginia. So I go
from DC to my house in Virginia and my mom
wakes me up at like seven am. She goes, where's
your purse? And I was like in the bathroom, Like
I lied. She goes, oh, is it. It's in the
bathroom and I was like, I don't know where's my purse.
She's like the taxi driver came back and dropped off
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because you left your all your shit in the car.
And then she like takes off my cover. She's like
to yell at me. She's like get up, you know,
and I'm big spooning a tombstone pizza and she was like,
are you fucking kidding me? She's like, you have a
tombstone pizza with you and you don't have your purse.
And I was like I really had nothing to say
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at that point, but.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
You were strongly deeping you're drinking at that point.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Obviously, even my drinking. I mean it was defrosted Tombstone
pizza while my mother is like yelling at me and
I'm so hungover. That did not feel like a yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, that was a moment though, But it's very funny though.
Nobody was hard to that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Yeah, what except for maybe the guy who I hooked
up with.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I love that you made a commitment no matter what,
I will do three and you haven't missed on that.
That's very important. I want the audits really know somebody
who has such a severe anxiety that you can the
importance of doing things that you make your mind up to.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah. Thanks, I scary, it's yeah, because I was hoping,
like I wrote down in this notebook that I have,
I was like, I hope that in a year I
double my following because I have forty thousand followers, and
I was like, I hope in next May I have
eighty thousand. Like that would be great. But I'm no
matter what, I'm just going to post three times a week.
And that's all I can control is what I put out.
(38:45):
I can't control what comes in, obviously, And now it's
November and I have one hundred over one hundred thousand followers,
so I'm like, okay, you really can't predict the outcome.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, you can't. One other one and then we'll move off.
At your therapist and everyone's struggling about dating, oh.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, which is true. She said that. I actually just
ended up firing my therapist. But she said that, and
I was I was.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Like, will you tell your eyes what the comment was
that she said?
Speaker 2 (39:12):
She yeah, she said everyone was struggling in dating right now.
All of her patients are struggling with dating right now,
which is like, I kind of feel like she might
be the problem here. But then she was like even
the guys. And my first thought when she said that
was like, wait, you know single guys. And I didn't
actually say that to her in the moment, but I like.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
You're thinking it.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, I was thinking it. So I thought that would
be a funny bit.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
It's super fucking funny. It's okay, So let me ask
you this. So what's your day, Like, what time do
you get up in the morning.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, when I'm in LA, I work East Coast hours,
so I get up at five thirty when I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
And do you have any kind of ritual, you do
not really, No, I just get up to your thing.
Do you wake up anxious? Do you wake up grounded?
You wake up inspired?
Speaker 2 (39:58):
It depends. Sometimes I'll have really good flow with like
I'm writing a lot and i have a lot of
video ideas and I'm excited to post a video that day,
and I'll wake up excited. But then if I haven't
been writing or like I nothing's been really hitting for me,
and I have that three posts a week rule, but
I do let myself if I post four week that
hit the next week. If I only post two, I'll
(40:19):
let it slide because I'm like, you know, the math
works out. But if I don't have that third video,
if I feel like I'm not going to hit three videos,
I do have this anxious like am I ever going
to think of something again? Am I ever? What if
I never? What if all my videos stop hitting? What if?
You know it's But then I just have to remind
myself that, like, no, I am funny, and I'll figure
it out, Like I have to like really tell myself that,
(40:42):
like hmm, well, if I only have you know, thirty
videos that are funny, then I probably shouldn't be doing this, right,
Like if I want to be a comedian, then I
should just be fucking funny, right, Like that's why I
want to do it. I don't want to sell tickets
and then not have anything to say. But I have
to remind myself that, like it's not like this. I'll
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have my moments of like I'm never gonna think of
anything again, like nothing's funny, Like you know, I'll have
this freak out moment and then I have to just
kind of pep talk myself like a psycho. And you
love to exercise, love to exercise?
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, right, What do you do when you get hit
with like a real serious anxiety, assuming you do still
get hit? How do you grind yourself? How do you
take care of yourself? What's the techniques maybe you can
pass on with some folks.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I don't know if I can say this, but I
I mean, I see a psychiatrists, and I have a
beta blocker so or like a pro penel. It's like
a I'll just take one of those and watch an
episode of something that I like and or something funny.
I'll try to I'll try humor, yeah, medicine, Yeah, most
of my anxiety comes from I'm not gonna be able
(41:48):
to think of anything. Writer's block gives me a lot
of anxiety, or dating gives me a lot of anxiety.
With dating, what I remind myself is if I'm really
anxious about a guy, in two weeks, I'll be anxious
about it different guy.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
That's the hat.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, it was like it works because I'm like it's
so true, Like I was so upset about one guy
and then.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Bum one day at the bail shot.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah. Yeah. It's like are.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Guys dating you like, are they thinking like, oh fuck?
You know? I could be one of her jokes here.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I went out with this guy a couple of times
and he was like, oh, you do comedy and I
was like yeah, and he was like how many Instagram
followers do you have? And I was like, uh like
at that point, I was like, oh, like ninety two thousand,
and he was like really And then he looked and
he was like he texted me that night like it's
such a great night, like I'll talk to you soon,
like I had a really great time with you. And
then I never heard from him again, and I was
(42:39):
like he one hundred percent went looked at me.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Check it out.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
It makes sense, but honestly, that's kind of a relief
in a way. Right Again, I'm not going to change
for someone, so if they're uncomfortable with it, it's probably
best we don't continue seeing each other.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
What's your dream guy?
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I don't know. Yeah, I've thought I've met him like
twenty times, so it's it's hard to say, but I
really don't know. I think I've gotten a lot better
at picking guys because I think definitely I think as
someone with alcoholism and excitement, Like when a guys love
bombing me, I can get caught up in that and
ignore the red flags. But I've been better at being like,
(43:21):
slow down, and this is not sustainable. If you guys
love bombing me, or if they start pulling away, I'm
able to walk away now because I'm like, this is
giving me anxiety. That's when I feel the anxiety is
if a guy's like really interested in me and he
starts pulling away and being avoidant. I used to be like,
hold on tight because I don't want to lose this person,
and now I just cut them off and I block
(43:43):
their number, which might sound extreme, but it just helps
me move one good for you, there's no point of
like continuing communication with someone if all that communication does
is make me anxious and like that's not going to
work out.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
What advice to have to people that are struggling with
the inability to get sober, but they part of them
wants to they're on the fence.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
It's so funny. I feel like a lot of people
DM me.
Speaker 1 (44:07):
I was curious. Do a lot of people to ask
you about your sobriety? How do you guys?
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, Like people would be like, how do you get
off aderall? How do you, you know, stop drinking? I
feel like I'm an alcoholic. I don't know, or like
people will come up to me after shows and be like, hey,
like I think I have a problem, and I'm like,
I just kind of always say most people who don't
have a problem don't think they have a problem, right,
I just say that because I'm like knowing me when
I wasn't ready, even when I'd be like should I
(44:31):
quit drinking? Like, no matter what someone said, I wasn't
actually gonna follow what they said. So now I just
say that you say that, that's good enough. You know,
I'm not trained. I don't I don't know to say, like,
all I can speak from is my experience, and I
think if I was still drinking, I don't I don't
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know where i'd be. I mean, I definitely wouldn't be here, right, No.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
No, no, you're an alchahy. You're a real alcoholic.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I know. I'm a real alcoholic myself. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
My friend who was it, he's recovering heroin addicts. But
he was like, if you aren't addicted anything, you're not
that funny. I just think people who have addiction issues
are funny.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
They're interesting people. Interesting people are interesting people.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, fun people, Yeah, generally fun. Yeah. He knows how
to have a good time, to have a good time,
has had the best time, yeah, big time.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Yeah, we're not a glam load, as they say.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
Can we do some rapid fire and I'll let you
out of here?
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Favorite comedian of all time?
Speaker 2 (45:36):
Oh my gosh, I hate that question because I it
changes I guess. Okay. So when I was starting in college,
so this was two thousand and thirteen, two then fourteen,
I loved Amy Schumer. I just thought she was so funny.
Her first special I thought was so funny, and I
just related to it so much because she talked about
being an alcoholic. Turns out she's a fake alcoholic. I'm like, realize, Yeah,
(46:03):
you know right now. I love listening and watching Tim Dillon. Okay,
I don't know if he's my favorite all time comedian,
but I really enjoy listening to him.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Biggest regret I think not.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Getting sober sooner earlier. Yeah, and not accepting the way
I am and getting over myself a lot sooner. I
think I could be further along in my career, and
I could be. I could just be further along.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, got it. I'm happiest when.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Probably I'm with my dog and my.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
Parents, your dog in your parents. The world's a better
place when Trump's not in office.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Things are pretty bleak right now. It's kind of sad
to see. And I don't make a ton of money
like I you know, I work two jobs and I
live in New York City, and I don't have a
lot of spending money. So I mean, I give back
where I can, but it's not like I can donate
so much money or give I you know, there's only
so much I can do.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Biggest red flag You've ever ignored?
Speaker 2 (47:05):
This one guy he was such a fucking loser, and
he bailed on me four times, and I continued to
try to see him because he was hot and rich.
He is someone I freaked out on in a way
that was like so embarrassing. It was I literally lost
my mind. It was like rage, blackout, anger, and I
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wish he had ignored me. He had bailed on four eights,
and on the fifth one I freaked out in a
way that was like so crazy because I'm like he
bailed every time anyway, So the biggest red flag I
ignored was not seeing me and thinking he liked me.
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Got it, Okay, that's honest. I appreciate that hecklers are
drunk usually biggest movie star.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
Crush Dylan O'Brien.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yes, when I look in the mirror, I see.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Age badly kind of a relief. I used to be
anxious to go on trips because I'd be like, oh,
I'm gonna get too drunk, like I hope I don't
embarrass myself. I hope, Or like a night, I I'd
be like, oh, don't get too drunk tonight. And now
I never leave my house being like I hope I
don't make a fool of myself and eat all the
tacos at this party, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (48:18):
Like it's the song that I always have on repeat.
Speaker 2 (48:21):
It changes, It's like comedian changes. I've been really into
Olivia Dean her music. I like her music.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
Biggest risk you've.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
Ever taken moving to New York maybe, but like at
the end of the day, I knew I'd be okay.
I once put myself out there with a friend really hard.
Was like I love you and he did not feel
the same way. That felt pretty risky because that was
that did not feel good when I was I was
certain he felt the same way. I was positive, like
one hundred percent he felt the same way.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Did not best advice ever given to you.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I do remember and rehab the psychiatrist there. She was like,
you might fall off the horse, you might drink again,
but just remember you got to get back up. And
I think about her saying that in so many other situations,
like not I haven't had a drink again, but like
even with the comedy, how I just wasn't doing anything
(49:14):
for two years. I was like, I have to get
back up, Like I just have to keep going.
Speaker 1 (49:18):
Yeah, fuck yeah. The hardest boundary I've ever had a
set was?
Speaker 2 (49:23):
I think when I ended my friendship with a girl
I was friends with for twelve years, when I got
sober nic, that was tough.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
Vulnerability Is it can be funny? Oh? Yeah, I knew
I was healing when.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
When I started being honest with myself, especially with like
the adderall.
Speaker 1 (49:42):
I think in five years I will be hopefully in.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
A different tax bracket.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
I don't know now I don't really think about that
as much anymore. Like I feel like I used to be,
like you know, by thirty one, I want to have
a special by this, I'm one of this And that's
like you're probably gonna have to reroute to rehab, so
like things are whatever you think you're gonna do, it's
probably not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
Got it. This has been an incredible blessing and pleasure
of the show. It's really thank everyone how much I
appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Oh, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
I hope this is Is there anything else you want
to say?
Speaker 2 (50:17):
No, I guess thanks for having me on. And you
know it gets better, It gets Yeah, it gets better,
it gets better.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Where can people see performat?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Well, I'm in la I do I post on my Instagram.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Check your Instagram out, see your perform and go support you.
Watch all your funny cliffs.
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Yeah please and sorry if some bombs, sorry if I'm annoying,
but you gotta. I gotta keep putting it out there
three times a week, three times a week at least, keep.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Doing that, all right, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
The Sino Show is a production of iHeart Podcasts, posted
by me Cina McFarlane, produced by pod People and twenty
eighth av Our. Lead producer is Keith Cornlick. Our executive
prouser is Lindcy Hoffman. Marking lead is Ashley Weaver. Thank
you so much for listening. We'll see you next week.