Lysa Cooper: Living in Truth and Embracing Change

On this episode, Seano McFarland interviews Lysa Cooper, an influential stylist and healer who shares her journey from growing up in the Bronx and Long Island to shaping culture in New York City's nightlife. She reflects on her transformative experiences in fashion, her encounters with iconic artists, and her pivot to becoming a medicine woman and energy healer. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The only way you can gain anybody's stress is just
to live in your truth right and tell the truth,
and try to try to show.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Up on time, which is major. Most people don't understand that.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
But never be late right. You can kill somebody, they'll
forget that. But if you're late, you become that person
that's always late. I think I've met most of the
most of the amazing important people in my life on
the dance floor.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Everybody, it's Cena McFarland. If you're enjoying The Sino Show,
make sure to follow or subscribe on your favorite podcast
app so you never miss an episode. New episodes drop weekly.
Don't miss out my guests today. She's a truth teller,
a stylist of the gods, and a healer to the broken.

(00:48):
Lisa Cooper did just help shape culture, she dared it
to evolve. Her fingerprints are all over the icons Beyonce, Rihanna,
Mary Jay, Lenny crowds. But it's not just the look elevates,
it's the energy. She's part town Grit, part ancestral magic.
She's a medicine woman, an energy mover, a mirror for

(01:10):
those who are ready to see themselves for the first time.
Welcome to the Sino Show.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
And that was such a good interest.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
You like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yeah, I said, I could do three pages of ventral.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's impossible to describe yourself, but it's so nice to
hear a lovely description of yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Yeah. Well, you know one thing I know about You're
very humble.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, yeah, you've done.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Some amazing things. But about just in fact that you're
still alive, it's kind of amazing to me, grace, by
the grace of So tell the folks a little bit.
You grew up in the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
I was born in the Bronx, grew up mostly in
Long Island. I'm definitely in New York City, and I'm
born in Bred, New York, born in Bred, New York,
even though I've lived in Los Angeles now for twenty
something years. Yeah, yeah, back and forth in the beginning,
but a good ten solid years here.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I put in my time, You put in your time.
But mom had an interesting problem with alcohol.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yes, I think that period of time, what is that, sixties, seventies, eighties,
there was a lot of substance, substance abuse, substance dependency.
I think addiction, addiction was something that then was not
talked about, spoken about, and I think drinking was a
big part of the social life.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Right, But you made a decision very early and I
got to get out here.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, it wasn't a healthy atmosphere at the time for
me as a kid, and also where I think I was,
where I was within myself at that age, and knowing
that I had to make a very specific choice either
to stay or to go, and I took the leap
and just left and moved into the city at fifteen

(02:53):
fourteen fifteen.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
So that's a big leap.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, you know, funny now, it's a big leap I think.
But back then there where a lot of people were
doing that. Yes, I can't say how many are with
the percentages, but I think New York was definitely a
place where you could make something of yourself from.

Speaker 4 (03:09):
Nothing, right, And my god, did you do that?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I mean, you know, imagination was half the game
back then and probably still is.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Right.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
But so you're fifteen fourteen and you move downtown.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Move downtown onto the beginning onto Broome.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Street, right, Yeah, which looks exactly the same, but does
not feel the same.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, it doesn't feel that New York's not the same
for you more, is it. Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:36):
No, no, But I mean it's a whole new thing.
I can't wait to figure out what the New New
York is like.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
So walk us through those days, you know, fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen eighteen.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
You know, what was that like for you? What was
going on?

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I think for for me it was, well, first of all,
there's just a matter of like hustle.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
And and.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know, finding work, finding money, finding a place to stay,
finding great people, forming a community and family and just
I mean, you know, then you were just in the street.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
It was just in the street. Basically, there's no better
way to put it.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
But what did you realize you had a gift? Like
you got into hospitality, you got.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
In I don't think I realized I had a gift.
I think I think again, it's a funny thing because
I think I was you know, I say a lot
of times I was born late. I should have been
born in the you know, in the fifties, so that
I could have been in the seventies and then you know,
but I was in the eighties. But I think it
was like perfect place at the time. And then being

(04:40):
I think very present and very in the right place
at the right time, and just following.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
Energy, following such following energy.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Like you know, we didn't have cell phones or this
is even before pagers, So you just picked up on
the energy and you went where you thought you should be,
and usually you ran into who you needed to see
right right.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's powerful and you were responsible. You helped open up
some very famous close back in New York City.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, I was very I was very involved in in
UH in the night life first first and foremost, I
was a big participant.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
But then that was where I started working.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
So I started working in nightclubs and and UH restaurants.
But you know, I think my my forte was more
in nightclubs. I started throwing parties. UH. This was before
before bottle service, before UH promoting for any of that existed.
So you just threw an amazing party and that's really

(05:39):
all you had to do.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Right And then did somebody see you and go, hey,
I like, we're opening the club. Will you be great
for us? How did how did you What was your
first big club that you opened?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I first worked at Dan Sytyria, just in the in
the in the elevator.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
At first, I was the elevator. Then I think I
was in the co check.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Then you know, you just sort of like word of
mouth and you went around and then you would just
go places and be like can you know I want
to can I work here? Basically, and it was a
yes or and now right. But I also think again
following like I think just listening to first of all,
listening to my instincts definitely and uh, and then following

(06:19):
the white rabbit, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
You know, Oh that looks great, what's that? That's really cool?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
I'll go do that right.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Well, so when you think about things and you're looking
back and remember, I know for you it's like ah,
so you know, I know, but for audience, this is
a special time in the world New York City during
that movement. You know, what was something that the first
time you say that is so fucking cool.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
I want to be a part of this.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I think that comes from when you're a kid and
you're watching movies in theater and seeing New York through
this sort of very romantic stylized I I love movies.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I watch everything.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
I've probably seen everything ever made, and I I retain
the most ridiculous parts of these films I have. I'm
super visual, and so I think my whole love for
New York happened when I was a kid just watching
it through film. TV never really captured New York. It
was really movies. There's this one movie. What was it

(07:17):
they used to show, remember the four thirty movie in
New York? Where are you from the East Coast?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
No, I'm not yet.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Four thirty movie was this thing that ABC had, and
I don't know what the fuck was going on through
the sixties, seventies and eighties, but they showed films that
really like no children should be watching. And it came
on at four thirty, an hour and a half before
the news at six o'clock. So it was this weird
It was like a latch key kid like secret.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
You know, you had to come home from school.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You had the latch key, you opened yourself into the
house and you were not allowed to go back outside
or let anybody into the house. So from that time
before my mother got home, it was free range. And
so I would watch the four thirty movie and I
remember that movie Panic and Needle Park.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Oh yeah, al Pacino.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
But it showed it was this very interesting little section
of the Upper West Side, And at that time, I
was I was very keyed into sort of this area
of sixty eighth and because that's where my mom's best
friend was, that's where we spent a lot of time.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
So for me, it was always this visual scene through film.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
First.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Oh wow, And I saw it at four thirty movie
was crazy.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
They would never show these kind of films on.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
TV today, right, I mean, they would, but they would
be super edited. I think they were just they were
just so lazy. They were like, you know, just the
four thirty movie. It's got to be ninety minutes and
there's like boom. And it was every day Monday through
Friday at four thirty.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Wow. And I saw that, and that just let up
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Not just that, but I'm saying that style. Yeah, tight, cowboy,
all of it. Yeah, midnight Cowboy was on four thirty movie.
They took that off real quick, you know. And also
this is the time of the beginning of this kind
of late night public access, which was a whole other
way of drawing you to New York City. There's a

(09:06):
lot of great public crazy public access going on at
that point.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
So along though, you know, talking about being in the
right place, right time you met the great Keith Herring.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yes, that, and you know I say this all the time.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I think I've met most of the most of the
amazing important people in my life on the dance floor.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I love that. Tell more about that.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, I think back in that time of me being
a new kid on the block, the dance floor was
a bit was the thing, and most most people, no
matter what you were doing in New York, you spent
at least two nights at some club or nightclub or
dance club or something in that range. That was kind
of the place to be. That was the place to
meet people. It's his post Studio fifty four.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I think the nightclub was its own art form for sure,
and there were amazing clubs back then.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
Can you tell about some of the clubs? Uh?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
I think my favorite would be Paradise Garage and Better
Days and these kind of like gay dance clubs that
would last all night long. There's then work wise, I
think for me, and that, you know, Danceyteria was such
a great example. It's like six floors and each floor
is different and everybody's This is a very different time

(10:28):
in New York. So there was no uh, there was
really no strong differentiation on in who and who and
what it was.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Everyone came out right right right right.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Everyone like everyone from all types and would all be
in these places together. It wasn't so clicky. What definitely
wasn't so specific, and it was I think a big
part of what made New York New York. You didn't
you you came to New York to be able to
have that experience.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Was there anybody during that time they could have you know,
ran the clubs, or an artist or a filmmaker, like
you met them like.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
This cat's really onto something special.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Here, Abel Farrh, I met him in a hallway. I
mean you could name a thousand, Yeah, a thousand people.
I mean you know, I knew Trump was a piece
of shit as soon as I saw him at home,
But I don't know, like watch the man too, I
don't know they.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
I mean, that was the thing about New York.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Everywhere you look there was talent, and I think that
there still is, except people aren't looking. They're too busy
looking in the telephone. But that was the wonderful thing
about not only New York, LA had that same thing.
Miami had its own thing where you where you have
young people making great things, you will find great talent,
right right. Differences back then you could afford to be

(11:50):
in New York, or you could hustle enough to be
in New York. I think it would be very difficult
to be a young artist at the moment in New
York City.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But I think that's going to change too. It's already changing.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Okay, you and Keith became fast friends. Yes, right, what's
the most important thing you learned from him?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Well?

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I admired he had an incredible work ethic. I think
that I really loved and honored his relationship with children
and feeling very strongly that artists for everybody, and that
children need to be not only encouraging, supported, but provoked
to create art. And I just love that he loved

(12:31):
to go dancing all the time. No matter how hard
he worked, we could always depend on going out somewhere.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
He was also a gentleman. Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Wow. Wow. Bus guet different.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Kind of friendship.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
And I think because I was in his belief a
lot younger, I was like the you know, the little
kid of the group, which I was in a weird way. Yeah,
it's hard to say. I mean, and I loved him
very much. It was a very there were a lot
of people involved. He had one of his best friends

(13:08):
was my best friend, So you got to spend time
together mostly just arguing about music.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Or film, same thing.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, he was and loved his work, loved it, loved
his loved him very much. But it was hard to
be around him because I was not really I think
also because I was a little kid, I was sort
of you know, I wasn't out doing heroin basically, and
I wasn't participating in a lot of let's say things

(13:38):
that you know other people were doing at the time.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Right, right, So he stayed away from a lot of
self destructive people.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Yeah, or they just kept that away from me more
than me staying away. I mean, unfortunately, No, I couldn't
stay away from anybody.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
I was working.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
They I mean, everybody came to either the club or
the bar or the restaurant, right, Yeah, I think, I think,
I think in a weird way. That's another great thing
about that time is that the places like that did
become home for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
It was very stable.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
To be somewhere, right, Yeah, to be able to go
somewhere every night.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right, right, and then you know the A's epidemic. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Well, and and then that happened and probably you know
it and still happening in this weird way. Uh yeah,
but that was and that's something that also definitely hit
and shape the city and definitely had Uh yeah, I
don't even know really what to say about that.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
That's a hard one.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, you said a really interesting comment to me when
I was kind up that we did a little pre
interview less son at your beautiful home in vests.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
We lost the A team.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, I I stole that that whole theory from Frand Libowitz,
who does an amazing, very humorous and sort of talk
about that, and and she said it and several other
people have too. But it's definitely it wiped out a
whole creative force.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
And then, if I understood correctly, you're you're doing that,
you're successful in that you're navigating life in New York City.
And Ellen, if I'm saying Ellen von on Worth, yes Worth,
the great photographer.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah, I segued from you know, I sometimes feel like
it was a segue, but then it was like a
natural curve because it's all the same thing, and I
started working with her in fashion and then from that
I kind of jumped off into a styling career, but
costume designer more and working more around tours and music
and and that went on for quite a bit and

(15:43):
was was fun. WAS definitely into it. I love clothes,
I love I love I love the ideas around fashion.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
I love I love the fashion of fashion.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
I don't know if I like the business of fashion,
especially these days.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
But that was a yeah national segue. But you were
you did some extraordinary things.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, with extraordinary artists, you know, so, and it was
an extraordinary time.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
First there was you know, there's incredible.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think there was a lot of great musicians and
artists and people making really great things.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Right, So walk the audience.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
I want to learn this about you because you, I
think probably what we'll get into you being the medicine person,
you see things that people don't see. That's your You
have an incredible eye, and I think you see in
things in people, but also in design and aesthetics. And
when you're working with somebody like an arrowsmith or beyond,

(16:41):
what do you are you getting on their energy?

Speaker 4 (16:42):
How do you how do you know what to put
on them.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I don't think you necessarily know what to put on someone.
I think you start working with somebody, you get to
know them, you start to look, you start to figure
out what is what is the message, what is the purpose?
Or even for some people it's just like what makes
you feel good? Like what would you like to what
you know? What would you like to be wearing? How
would you like I don't think it's so. I think

(17:07):
now very much people are like, put this on this,
you're getting paid to wear this and up up.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
But I don't think that was the case back then.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I think it was nice to create an image
and create a style and a story together, right. And
I think a lot of people, if they had the time,
and let's say the preference, it's it's nice to work
with somebody else. In that respect, it's nice to have

(17:34):
somebody that you know kind of can either help or hinder,
or or even just having a friend that's like, you
know this, this could be great or or you look fantastic.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I mean it could be that simple.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
But they had to really trust you. Yes, talk about
trust and how they how did they gain your how did.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
You get their trust?

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I think the only The only way you can gain
anybody's trust is just to live in your truth right
and tell the truth and try to try to show
up on time, which is major. Most people don't understand that.
But never be late, right, You can kill somebody, they'll
forget that. But if you're late, you become that person
that's always late. Really showing up was the key then.
I don't know, I don't know what that looks like now,

(18:19):
because now you can kind of just make up whatever
the hell you want, right, But then you kind of
just you really had to show up and you had
to like perform and you had to deliver.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Was there one outfit on somebody that became something.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
That you're like, oh fuck, I really got that right,
Like holy shit.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, I think that I worked very well with Rhon.
I think we melded well together. I think I did
great stuff with Beyonce. But it's I mean, it's not hard.
They're beautiful, they're smart, they're they're At the time, they
were very open and very receptive and didn't have to
worry so much about what their beehive or none of

(19:02):
that stuff existed, so they.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Were much more free.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I mean, And also I think getting into that place
of like people are so afraid to make mistakes or
be wrong or have to do something again, and there's
a joy in the fumble.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Right, What was your biggest fumble that you really had
a great lesson from?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
You Look at the fumbles of your career, and a
lot of them have nothing to do. You know, you're
sometimes you're catching the ball, sometimes you're throwing it. Right,
to keep with this really ridiculous analogy, but I feel
like another mistake I may have made is, you know,
being such a like I'm not leaving New York and

(19:45):
I didn't even leave there until I was forty. And
maybe if I had done a little more experimenting early
in life. I mean, I traveled so much, so it's
hard to say, but maybe I it would have been
nice to pick up and move. That's to be more nomadic.
That's where where?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Well, why did you stay there? Tell you're forty?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
No, It's just it was me, I think, because it
was just rocking so hard. There's no reason to leave,
got it at the time?

Speaker 4 (20:09):
At the time.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah, right, So you're doing the fashion business, you know,
you're doing that, and then it starts changing for you.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Right, Yeah, right, I mean the whole I think the
whole business change.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Then two thousand and eight, here comes Instagram and social
media and all kinds of things that really switch that
game pretty specifically.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
And you're like, I'm I'm out, I'm like this, I'm
not feeling this anymore.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, And you know there was the like, well, to
do what you need to do, you need to do this, this, this, this,
and this, And I wasn't willing to do all those things,
especially talk to the camera and be on Instagram like
or telling people what to wear or look at the
outfit that I put on today, Like I just couldn't
do it.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
I still can't. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (20:55):
You're on Instagram now, though, you're.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I'm you see me on Instagram? Yeah, you're on Instagram
me talking on Instagram where you're dancing. I see some
once dancing. You don't even see me, you do, I've
never talked done that thing. I'm not telling anybody anything,
and I just send you a bunch of great images,
right Ei. There is crit no messaging whatsoever because I
learned my lesson, and I even learned my lesson myself,
Like it's so hard not to comment and be funny

(21:18):
and give your opinion, especially when everything's so crazy. So
it is, I'm very like, you know, I love Instagram.
I love Instagram for finding the wildest, most distasteful jokes ever.
I love off kilter memes. I particularly like taxidermy. I'm

(21:38):
really into clowns makeup like. I love it for being
able to like just take in imagery, which I've always
you know, it was magazines and use forever and tear sheets,
and I think it's just that I love I love
taking in beauty through the eyes, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
You have some incredible stuffing. A lot of people follow you,
though a lot of people dig your vibe.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
I mean, I think my followers are real, are really
my followers are not my followers. The people that follow
me are my friends, because I've gone on there to
try to eliminate people, and I'm like, oh, fuck, I
know all of these people.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I do know. There was one piece on there.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
What's a very vulnerable piece you're you know, you're talking
about a time in your life and you got pregnant
and that you decided to put that on it.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I just personally I saw that piece and I thought it.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Was very powerful it's so many people have been moved
by you have no idea. It has actually introduced me
to some friend, one of my best friends I met
from doing that. She wrote me a long letter many
years later we were at a dinner to sitting next
to each other, just by chance.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
So, like that piece is, and all of the.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Work that those ladies are doing, would you would be
pretty amazing.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Tell the listeners what that piece is about.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's it's called What's Underneath, and it comes from the
women that do It's a mother daughter team and they
do a thing called Style Like You, and it started.
It's funny because she and I are both stylists, come
from the same time, the same place, And it started
when I think, and she can correct us if she wrong.

(23:09):
She'd be a great person for you to interview her
and her daughter. It started when her daughter started to
have sort of social anxiety around social media and this
sort of which is also a big part of why
I switched out of I think what I was doing
at the time was this like weird, the incredible influence

(23:31):
of pop culture on how young ladies started to perceive themselves.
And then Style Like You became this project she was
doing about because first before I had done that one,
I did the one where they just come into your
closet and talk about like what you wear, how you
get dressed, what is the And I think from that
it grew into what's underneath, and that's basically bringing you

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to a vulnerable place.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Well, you were very vulnerable piece.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I mean, if you do we I mean, yeah, yeah,
but can you tell the audience what you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I talked about.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Having an abortion style like you posted it around when
the Row versus Wade thing.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Had popped off again, Oh got it.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
And so she went in and did a few different
people talking about that and put that together.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Right. The piece is beautiful because I think it's on YouTube.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
I mean, you're here in these beautiful undergarments and and
you're talking about regrets, and then you talk about I
had this abortion. You hadn't really thought about it, but
then you thought about how the child would be and
then you got emotional.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
It was just very powerful.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
I didn't get emotional about that. I got emotional about
when I said that I was invisible. Oh that way,
I started talking about sex. Actually it wasn't about the abortion.
Actually I talked right through the abortion and I haven't
seen it, but I got emotional when I started talking
about being visible at that age. And so at this
point that's already I think I was in my late forties.

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I don't think I had turned fifty yet when I
did that recording.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, so it's like twelve years. So I had just
come into that place of.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Do you know this?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh shit, here we go, this is this is when
I should have prepared before.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
What is her name?

Speaker 1 (25:17):
That wonderful feminist from she's English, amazing woman.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
She's now got to be in her eighties if she
hasn't already.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Passed, And she wrote this piece called The Invisible Woman,
and it's all about getting older and what happens in
the perception of culture and time that you know, and
what does that mean for you as a woman. And
this became a thing for a while. It still is.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
It is.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
It's that moment of being pre menopausal and then what
happens to you through those next ten years. Anyway, I
think I had started to talk about that and I
got emotional.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
I really highly.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Recommend that whole entire series. And they're still going for
audience again, what's the name of the show? Their group
is called style like You, Style like You Alisa and
her daughter. And then what's underneath is the piece you're
talking about, and that comes from them as well.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Great, okay, got it.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
And I think they even have a new thing now,
like they have a podcasty kind of more talkie thing
that they're doing with like particular artists.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Beautiful. Well, let's check it out. That'll be great. You
like it.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Lit's very often to your calling to do this healing
as a medicine person. Mm hmmm, yeah, you know, in
some ways it makes perfect sense to me.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I say two things.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Number one, really, all the work is around breath, and
breath is the key, and breath is the is the
connection of all of us. But I've been doing the
same thing from each career. Is about exactly the same story,
which is about making people feel amazing about themselves and
being able to hug people through.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
The path of finding themselves.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Uh huh yeah, And I mean really like hug, like
hold on, hug, support, give it my all.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
How does somebody that's so terrified and overwhelmed, that has
a lot of trauma or maybe some addictions open their
heart to you and allow that kind.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Of surrender that's a great question think through. I think
actually going back here, we are to be in the
right place at the right time, because it's really I
think when people get to that point where they're like
ready to first of all, move out of their own way,
get out of their own way, I think I hope

(27:37):
that most people are coming to this kind of work
and this kind of sharing ready to change their story, right,
shift their perspective, be open to be open to all
kinds of change because that's inevitable, and be open to

(27:59):
different times of I don't want to use the word
journey because it's not about journeying.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Be open to different.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Tools in their toolbox, right, being vulnerable in general. But
trust is again a thing that you that is earned
number one and number two takes time. So also, like
I think one of the biggest things for me personally
is to constantly and continuously tell myself to soften when
and and for me, softening really means softening into myself.

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And if I can soften into myself and I can
be out in the world in that space and that energy,
I think it attracts other people that need that want that,
or are already doing that softening. Softening softening.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
I like that. And how long ago did you start
doing these? You know?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I mean I've been doing I've been been working with
psychedelics personally in my own life for years and always
have had a strong relationship with different medicine. I think
after going through an experience myself and realizing how feeling

(29:08):
that I was able to support people and facilitate the
experience of letting go, of letting things die, of getting
rid of or changing story, I feel like, first of all,
I'm an incredible listener, even though I'm super bossy, and

(29:29):
that I know how to slow down and take the.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
Time, all right, got it? Interesting?

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Always, always always been a big proponent of saying it
like it is, and say telling it like it is,
saying it like it is, and then being able to
also help someone receive it like it is.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Got it? Got it? So how do people find you?

Speaker 1 (29:56):
I'm well, well, first of all, I already know everybody,
so it's that's that's one way, and I think through
word of mouth. I also think again, people chasing energy.
You know, game recognizes game. I love that, and it's
really it's really true. And then also like right, like

(30:18):
for example, let's say you had some even us talking
about this right now, or us taught your other people
here that are in the office hearing this story, something
might click somewhere.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
They'll hear somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Oh, you know what I tend to lately have been
getting a lot of people calling me because they've had
these crazy psychedelic experiences and now they're too afraid to
do anything else and they need They didn't integrate and
they don't know. So a lot of the work I've
been doing is just getting people to come into a
breath practice of one form or another. I work with

(30:50):
breath and the practice of breath and the practice of
deep breathing a lot, even in the way that I facilitate,
even in the way that I negotiate.

Speaker 4 (30:59):
Oh, you tell me more about that.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Just starting to use your own breath as a tool
to regulate your nervous system, help you make better decisions.
You know, I'm a manifestor three five manifestors, so I
should be taking a moment a beat in between decisions. Anyway,
slowing down here, we come back to softening, softening, softening
and staying soft. Staying soft and staying open. You're probably

(31:24):
going to realize when you're in the right place at
the right time. I mean, I hope listen. It's hard
for me right now. It's a real struggle. Turning sixty soon,
I've got to still be on the hustle and you know,
supporting myself and supporting other people, and keeping myself healthy
and physically healthy, mentally healthy, my God, spiritually healthy.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
To be able to like sit and hold some shit.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, first of all, be able to hold my own shit,
look at it and toss it to the wayside, no
reason to hold on to it for too long, and
then be able to you know, take it in, hold
it for people, know when to get rid of it.
A lot of clearing, a lot of cleansing, a lot
of and sometimes just saying no.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Oof. That's hard.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Talk about the power of saying though.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, still trying to master it, obviously. I think we
all are in this weird way, especially saying no to
things that have become our habits, our emergency pack, so
to speak. I think sometimes realizing that, you know, I
haven't had to. There's only been a few people that

(32:31):
I've had to literally say no to, and that's me
just by first of all, listening to my voice and
listening to myself and my instincts and knowing that this
is not a good situation. You know, another thing that's
coming up. I don't know if it's coming up a
lot for you, but a lot of people coming to
me talking about suicide, talking about ending their life, talking
about and so for me, that is a whole, like,

(32:54):
let's deal with that. What is that? What is really
happening here? First of all, because I truly believe af
you if if you want to kill yourself, you can
kill yourself.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I don't have it.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
And I also also don't put a lot of stigma
around it, like if this is your personal choice, but
then there's a thousand ways to do it where you
don't affect everybody else in your life.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
And I think when we start talking about death and
what it looks like and what it really means, coming
back to breath by the way soft and soft and soften.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
We there's a there's a there's a whole.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
First of all, there's a whole industry there that is
just waiting because we are at the age where we
have to start helping each other around these subjects and
around letting these mini deaths help us to prepare for
the one that is inevitable and the one that should
be beautiful.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Let's talk more about the mini deaths. That's that's something.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Well, I can only talk about my personal mini death.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
You know, a career ending, you know at its height,
relationships that projects that were like you know, should have gone,
didn't succeed, letting failures die and be okay with it,
which is not how we are conditioned or.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Trained. And the mini deaths are the one you know.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It's like, if you let a little thing die, then
you have some room, you have new you have room
and space to create something new. You cannot give birth
to something if you're holding on to all this dead
whatever might be energy weight people.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
And I'm not saying you need to wipe the slate clean.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You just have to find where the trauma is hidden
within you because it's not always here. But of course
it's not always in your head. Actually, quite frankly, the
trauma is usually hidden all over the body as well.
How can you excavate? How can you exercise? I told
this woman the other day she needs an exorcism, and

(34:50):
she went into this whole weird like thing and I
was like, no, no, no, I mean really, from first
of all from the gut. We could be here all
day talking about the gut. But you know, how do
I keep myself here and present so that I'm actually
able to assist, facilitate, support, Right.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
That's the hardest thing.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
And how to and and and even how to then
afterwards clear, cleanse, juveniate. How do I remember that it's
not selfish to take care of myself? How do I
remember like what are my tools? And for me, it's
always falling back into my breathwork practice and then into
just an immense amount of prayer.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
And my prayer looks crazy and feels crazy.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
But it's but it's it's guy, It just feels you know,
it's like not crazy in a bad way, just you know,
very spirit filled, like the whirling dervish. It gets a
little crazy.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Yeah, I got it. Do you have a mantra that
you practice.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Depending on the day right now? Yeah, Well I make
you laugh. My brother and I always come up with
a mandra for every year. This year is it's a
remakeup of twenty sixteen, and it's called don't get Shot.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So I spent a lot of time just making sure
I don't get shot.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
My brother also added don't get put on any list,
don't sign up for anything, don't put your name on
a list right now, don't Yeah now, sound now we're
going off into another paradigmic thing. But I think for
me also just this, I mean, I've been saying it
over and over, soft and soft and soften.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Okay, did you have a healing with your mom? Do you,
guys ever make piece?

Speaker 2 (36:31):
I wouldn't say so.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I made my own piece through a lot of work
and a lot of therapy. First is to minipate yourself.
You have to go through all kinds of crazy hoops
and loops. And I stayed very close to one of
the therapists that I worked with and worked with her
for years, and I've done all kinds of other work
around it. I wouldn't say I had a healing with
my mom in person, but within the conversations, especially when

(36:55):
her presence is around me.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
We were you angry at her? Did you feel abandoned
by her? Did you feel What was the work that
the therapist did? What was the cleansing you guys did together.
I'm curious because I I want my listeners to know no, no, I.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Think my thing with my mother would I mean, I
was angry with her at the time. She was an alcoholic.
She was very abusive. She was verbally abusive, she could
be physically abusive. She wouldn't remember things the next day.
When you're a little kid, that can make you very nervous.
I think there got to a point in my life
where I was like, Okay, that is what it is,
and just for the safety of myself and then in

(37:33):
hopes of then, you know, creating something for my brothers
as well. But no, I think more of the work
was more in the style of like I would suppose,
it was a lot of me just realizing what it meant.
I had to go through a lot through alan On,
through AA, through NA because my whole family there's all

(37:57):
kinds of addiction running through. So I've been through reprogram.
I've gone to every rehab, not me myself, but putting
whether it be a family member or a friend through rehab.
I got to this medicine work through through helping a
friend with iboga I'm sorry with Ibagane, and I mean
I should say I came through this other portal back

(38:17):
into this work through helping somebody deal with their addictions.
So I'm trying to remember what it was, I can't
even remember. It's a long time and I had forgiven.
I mean, I forgave her a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Do you forgive people easily?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
And no. I have a memory like an elephant. But
I also I'm a big proponent of never saying never
because you never know what will happen later. But I
can I'll cut a bitch off in a second, and
I don't, And I'm being funny, but I truly believe

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that right now a big part of everyone's work is
to just be around people that make you feel good.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, to talk more about it's beautiful, You're right on
my talk more about that.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Right especially right now, need to first of all, get
back in real time and be back around people. I think,
you know, I think community is everything and it's a lifeline.
And I think, well, for me, I'm I'm sixty now,
i don't have a lot of time left on this planet,
and I'm certainly not going to spend it any energy

(39:28):
on anything that doesn't make me feel good anymore. I
think it's also important to know what makes you feel
good and what makes you feel bad.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Yeah, right on, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
And I think a lot of people don't even know
what that they don't know what makes.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Them feel good.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I think that's also got a very funny connection to shame,
and I think that's one of the biggest viruses that
we have, is carrying around a lot of shame that
doesn't belong to us, which you know, ties back into addiction.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
Of course it does. I don't know if you saw
this sign on the door. I've actually a science says
no shame allowed. Fantastic you like that? I agree, Yeah,
shame is not my game.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Shame, no shame in my game. No blame of my game.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
M hmm.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah. Talk about the art of manifestation that means to
you when you manifest.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Well, my human design is I'm a manifestor I'm not
really a big mon of like you know, we're going
to manifest this manifest that I definitely come from a
more mindset of like you work hard to achieve you
what you need and what you deserve comes from the
work that you serve, right, So, but I do believe

(40:36):
that that words are spells and that you can you
basically are responsible for like being your hype person, big
up in yourself and making sure that you know that
you're the shit, which is interestingly where psychedelics can really
come into play, because there's also an amazing amount of

(40:58):
joy and and bliss and love and humor and laughter
and and basic good time that can be achieved through psychedelics.
It's not this, you know, dark Knight of the soul
every day, all day. Sometimes you just need to be
kicked back into your happiness.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Yeah, oh I love that. Yeah yeah. How do you
get kicked backed into your the ship.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Getting friends that tell you that a lot, Being around
people that really love you and get you and know
you and you know and and having you know, having
you each mirror to each other.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
How amazing you are.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
You have I think it's a quote from you or
but it's wrong. Is wrong, even if everyone is doing
it right, is right, even if no one is doing it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
It's not my quote, but it's I know what it is. Yeah,
it's a quote, it's not mine. I think I've posted it.
Yeah yeah, I mean why did you post that?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
We could put it.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
On to anything that was happening today, because it is
the truth, Like the truth is the truth is no
like gray area this new thing now where like you know,
like facts aren't facts kind of makes me laugh. Comes
back to this thing I think of everybody again, coming
back to softening, taking time, being in real time, having discussions,

(42:22):
actually reading books and seeing, you know, watching films, learning
from each other, sharing storytelling. I mean, yeah, yeah, you know,
like all the things that make us who we are,
we've kind of lost touch with.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
How do you deal with Debbie Downers?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
My opinion first is that it starts with your stomach.
All your moods, everything that's going on with these starts
with what you're eating, how you're digesting, and what's going
on in your stomach. So usually the first thing I
tell people, especially around depression, maybe wanting to get off
their SSRIs or like what I'm hearing a lot of
is I'm on this just for my depression.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
I'm on this to go to sleep. Right You're taking
both of these things. What is your ankreas look like
right now?

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So when a lot of it is like, get your stomach,
get your gut together first, try to get off of
whatever it is. I mean, I'm not saying don't listen.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Drugs and.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
SSRIs and things are super helpful with certain situations, but
this is a lot of what I think is happening
is there's been so much self medication in the last
five years, especially through COVID and through whatever we want
to call this financial crisis. Like anything can drive you
to it to a full blown depression, and anything and
everything is triggering.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
But in trying to find how to tap into your source,
I think clarity is key. I usually tell people to
go do Cambo, like clear everything out first and then
start to look at what's happening here. I think therapy is.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Vital.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It's amazing how hard it is to convince people still right. Yeah,
I think talking talk therapy. I think somatic therapy, which
is now really being pushed to the to the forefront.
It is also vital. And you can look at that
like dance. There's so many forms of somatic therapy that

(44:23):
you can move into. I mean I suggest it all
the time because most people are don't even want to move.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah this is true. Yeah, you're big into dance. I
love it.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
And also really like even if you just walk around.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
The block, Yeah, come on, get I'll do something.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
I have one of my best friends right now just
getting hard to like just get outside.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
Got it good?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
So let me ask you this a listener that has
never done psychedelics, they don't know where to start.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
Where do I go? Is it's psilocybin, Is that ayahuasca?
It is DMT?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Somebody not knowing and they're scared, but they want to
do something. What's your counsel.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
To the I think first really listening to what's calling you,
and so in that you might need to know what
the different what the different possibilities are. I feel like
there are some great people right now, some great concierges,
trusted people. I think asking people you trust, who what

(45:20):
you're exactly know what you're looking for? Are you looking
for a week long experience? Do you want to do
something that's more one on one?

Speaker 2 (45:30):
You know? What is it that? What do you want
to work on?

Speaker 4 (45:32):
Got it?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Or some people really just want to have a psychedelic experience.
So where would you Where do you see yourself after
the experience?

Speaker 2 (45:41):
What are you looking for? Not that?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Not that I think you that anything is a perfect shock.
Quite frankly, I think you know, I say all the time,
let go let God, just trust, trust the voice, trust yourself,
and trust the medicine. What is actually calling you? And really,
more importantly, is it calling you are you just curious?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:00):
That's cool too. I totally support that.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
There's nothing wrong with journeying at all. Right, highly suggest it.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right on?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Okay, all right, there's some random questions. I love random questions.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Favorite book, Oh, geek Love, Greek Love?

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Do you remember that book?

Speaker 4 (46:23):
I don't remember Greek Love? Kind of what will you?

Speaker 1 (46:26):
You got to remember because I know you read it
because it's so freaking crazy that it sticks out and
they've tried to make a movie out of it so
many times.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
It's by this.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
It's a story about a circus and about a young
albino right, freak right, and this whole beautiful it's really,
it's so well written, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
Catherine forget what Catherine's last name is?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
What?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
That's my favorite book?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Wow? When did you read the hell?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Were you when it first came out?

Speaker 1 (46:54):
So I was probably my teens, And then I read
it again, probably ten years ago. The fact that it's
been bought, sold, bought, sold, and they were never able.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
To make it. Okay, we're putting out in the universe.
Someone's got a nelly and make.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
This beautiful book. And she wrote many more after that.
Then after that, I get. I mean, I Margaret Atwood,
mad Adam. I really like science fiction. So that's my
that's my Yeah. So she wrote three books. It started
the amazing series. This is it's even better because it's

(47:28):
like everyone knows her for Handmaid's Tale, but mad Adam
is the craziest shit you've ever read three parts.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Rita is so okay.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
And then Octavia Butler her two books, Parable of the
Sewer and the book after that.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
I mean incredible. Oh well, beautiful science fiction. Okay, funkiest
performer of all time for you? Who's the funkiest cat
that you just put on?

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (47:55):
You mean music wise?

Speaker 4 (47:56):
Music wise?

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I went you know, I went right to Muhammad Ali
music wise. Wow, that's such a hard one. I'm kind
of in this odd moment right now around this kind
of like odd jazz that's sort of having this moment
coming back. So I think any of the Coltrains, but

(48:18):
Alice Coltrane, Alice Culture. Yeah, mine's faila cute.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
What did I just I just someone sent me his
other son just made this incredible record the other day,
and I was like, oh, I didn't even realize because
I knew Femi was making music, but he has another
son that's now kind of killing it in Africa.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
And how about film? When you go, what's the one
you're always you're watching every year? I know it's a
tough one.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
There's so many, but really I think my all time
favorite movie is Harold and Maud and then everything else
he's ever made that.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
And then.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I just told you in the earlier what about Bob?
Because and believe it or not, I can watch the
Wedding Crashers over and over again. You always find something
else in there that's so fucking crazy. You're like, how
did I not see it the first time? Well, and
that's one of those films. Again, when you watched it
the first time, you were like, wait what because you
couldn't even believe that it was this They was so simple. Yeah,

(49:14):
it was so good. It's a great movie. Now I'm
stuck in a hole. You know, I'm mostly just watching
weird European dark shit because they're still making good stuff.
You know, do you guys know about canopy?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Okay? I afraid to even know what this is.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
First of all, you know, Libby is no, this.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Is unlike you on the computer with this stuff.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Okay, so this happened because I really I read, I read,
I read, I read, I read.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I can read three books at the same time.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
And sometimes I'll read and then I'll get the audio
to go with it, especially if I think it's over
my head scholastically, so I'll like have it the audio going,
and I'll read the book. And then I was like
complaining one day about my fucking bill. It was like ridiculous,
and she's like, why it's for free, and I'm like,
what are talking about.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
She's like, Libby. You don't have Libby.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So Libby is through the Los Angeles Library. All you
need is to go online and you get a little
digital card, your little library card, and you tell them
the three libraries that you that you pretend you want
to be at, although I do go to the library
or the really nice one in Santa Monica, and you
basically have access to all of their books. You can
borrow them for your kindle, or you can do the

(50:21):
audio like I do, and you get you can order
as many and they act like it's really the library.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
It's like a digital library.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
You can also borrow thesis papers, record anything that you
could get at the library you can now borrow through
Libby and Libby is connected to a streaming service called Canopy,
and Canopy is basically like having Citeian and every It
is the weirdest streamer because there's the craziest films from

(50:50):
all over the world. Wow, and they particularly like me
really like dark Scandinavian, Polish, Russian. Yeah, anything you want
basically called Canopy with a and you can watch the
ten tips. You can watch ten movies a month for no,
twenty movies some shit a month for free?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah free, Okay, you could pay for the rest, but
free at least ten.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
I love that you found that, dude. My nieces are geniuses,
your spiritual scavenger. You find the Yeah, I'll.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Take whatever I can get. Free is my favorite word.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
What what's your favorite era for style?

Speaker 1 (51:32):
I really love the detailing around from I mean Victorian,
I think very much.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
And then.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Of course I love the seventies visually, but really like
when it comes to the clothes themselves, Victorian would be mine. Yeah, Okay,
I love love anything handmade. I mean everything then was handmade?

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Oh I bet is there any cooler Catain bowie?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Yeah? Ali?

Speaker 4 (52:03):
So yeah, what's your fascination with Ali?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I've seen Muhammad Ali quite a few times. I've been
around him a bunch of my favorite Muhammad Ali stray
is for I don't know where I was going at
seven now eight o'clock in the morning. I was on
Rodeo Drive because I used to do all these little
back cuts up into Hollywood because I was living I
would I don't think I was living here yet.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
It was probably at our hotel and he, for some
odd reason, him and his friend were walking down Rodeo
Drive at eight o'clock in the morning, and when I
first drove by, it was like three people, four people,
and then there's like hundreds of people around him, and
he was just sitting in the middle of a day
of drive, just hanging out talking to them. I mean,
he's so powerful. I think Michael Jackson I could come

(52:46):
a prince. I like Bowie, don't get me wrong. And
I'm very close with Himanah. She's like one of my
favorite humans. And he was lovely too. And they were
my neighbors, so I saw them pretty much every day.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
And so yeah, I lived on La Fayette and Prince
and they lived on Lafayete and Prints.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
We lived Catacorner basically. Wow, Okay, so let me ask
you this, But that's a good question. My job's ask
the good questions. Can art still be revolutionary in a
world so driven by clicks and commerce?

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Well, the clicks and commerce is crashing dramatically and probably so.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
I think the only thing that people can be doing
right now is making new things and creating stuff art.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yes, people reach out to you. What do you tell
young artists you see them? I'm sure, what do you
tell young artists, young designers? What's your message to them?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I mean, keep going that the thing that we should
be talking to or talking out of, the people with
money that are sitting around spending it on stupidity, crap, war, whatever,
and actually putting our money where our mouth is and
putting it back into young people and.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Culture.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Is there a place in fact and art for the freaks,
the weirdos and the prophet still?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Yeah, I mean yes, because that's all going on. It's
just not going on on the on the screen, on
the little screen. It's going on in the bigger the
bigger world.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
In the bigger world.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, everywhere, people are making stuff all the time. I mean,
there's so there are artists And that's the other great
thing about I think social media is the ability to
really tap into art and young artists. They are out
there and they are making things and they're really good
at it.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
What do you want to say to the person in
the audience that it's terrified, overwhelmed, the world's loud, I'm
not sure who to trust, very confused, baffled, and don't
have a.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Lot of hope.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I mean, first time, you have to find a practice,
and that practice can be anything but really a practice
that you can tap into and that actually, you know,
feeds you something back, whether that be breathwork, whether that
be some people it's just simply going to the gym,
some people it's writing, some people it's uh, cooking. I mean,

(55:14):
you know, finding something that you can find a little
bit of joy. And really, on the other hand, if
it is if I think talking, I think therapy and
talking to people and finding community, those three things together
are vital, right, And if you don't want to call
it therapy, you can call it anything else you want
because there's all kinds. There's so many different roads you

(55:37):
could go down. And I think also finding a therapist
is like dating, by the way.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
You have to Yeah, I think that's the I mean,
I'm telling my brother all the time, you've been with
the same therapist for like eighteen years. I think it's
time to like break up or at least cheat on
or find somebody. You know. Pretty scared, right, I don't
know if he's scared now. They're just in a they're
in a they're in a relationship. Yeah yeah, Maybe he's
just afraid to break up. He's afraid to break up.

Speaker 4 (56:03):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I want all my people, I
get that. I don't want him say around.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
To get you know, I tell I used to tell,
I used to have assistance, and I'd be like, look,
you can work here for two years, and after that
you need to go and do your own thing because
it's important. It's like you're here to like to kick
off to the next thing. I think, right, what do
you got to help me with this?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
I saw one of your basically, don't forget the people
to put you on.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Never forget who put you on.

Speaker 4 (56:33):
Never forget who. Talk about that great message.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I mean it sounds a little bit street, but I mean, yeah,
don't forget who put you on.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I think a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I had a doctor once tell me that he and
he was a very good doctor, and he would have
these people come in and they'd be like, oh, I'm
in pain, and then he would help them and work
through the pain. And the next time they come he's like,
how's your arm and they're like what arm? Like they
don't even remember that they had the pain or that,
because you know, sure, that's the.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Way it is.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
So I feel like it's very important to always pay
homage to how you got there. Always remember who put
you on, because first of all, you never know when
you might need that again. And by remembering who put
you on, you remember to put the.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Next person on.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
That's right, yeah, right on while.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
You're saying thank you for holding the door, your foot
holding the one behind you.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
That's beautiful. That is a great message.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Final thoughts for anybody in the audience right now, anything
come to mind.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
My final thought would be to just like, I don't know, soften, soften, soften,
you know, or really taking the time to just really
soften within within yourself.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Right, I want to.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
I know you're very particular about doing things like this,
and you don't do things like these podcasts not your thing?

Speaker 4 (57:50):
Right?

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Oh well yeah, maybe yeah I do, But I want
to But I was really flattered that you asked, but I.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Want to know much it means to me that you
trust me to come in here and tell your story.
It's an incredible it's a blessing to honor you and
what you've done in this world.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
You're a prower from of being and I'm very grateful
to have met you.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Oh. I appreciate that, Thank you, because I.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Relate to your little girl. Thank you very similar.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I know that I know you just don't get out
and do what you do to leave at that age.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I know what it's like to be in your.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Home and do what you've done and still have energy
and light, and you're a healer now and you don't forget.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
I relate to that. I appreciate that. I value that
you're my sister that way.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
The Sinal Show is a production of iHeart Podcasts, hosted
by me Cina McFarlane, produced by pod People and twenty
eighth av Our Lead producer is Keith Carlick.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Our executive pducer is Lindsey Hoffman. Marketing lead is Ashley Weaver.
Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you next week.