TR Goodman & a Deep Dive into Elite Performance

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And because people are interested in their cosmetic appearance, that
informs their workout choices. If you look at orthopedic surgeons,
orthopedic surgeons are busier now than they've ever been. Who
are they working on, Not couch potatoes. They're working on
all these supposedly fit, active people. And because they train

(00:20):
wrong and they don't get these compensation patterns out of
their body when they go to do these activities, they're
making themselves worse and they end up getting injured, and
that's why they end up having surgeries. And I realized
one day that my muscles, all my muscles, and the
reason I was so strong was built on all this

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rage and hate and insecurities from childhood, from me being
the little black kid who didn't get the right respect
in Connecticut from people, from me not getting the right
acknowledgment in the sports and all this.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Everybody. It's Seena McFarlane.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
If you're enjoying The Sino.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
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an episode. New episodes dropped weekly, don't miss out. Today
on The Sino Show, I'm joined by one of the
most respected names in the game when it comes to
leap performance, physical, mental, and spiritual. You like that, tr Tir?

(01:29):
Good minute, He's not a trainer. This brother is a force,
all right. He's a founder of pro Camp, where world
class athletes, actors, CEOs, and warriors of every stride come
to sharpen their bodies and their minds. But what makes
my brother Tir a true joint in the space just
is in his methods. It's his mission. He sees potential

(01:49):
most people miss. He trains your mindset as far as
your muscle. He builds champions from the inside out. Tr
has worked for the best in the world and he's
helped them go even higher. Today we're talking discipline, spiritual, stamina, recovery,
peak performance, and what it takes to really become unshakable. Brother,
welcome to the he liked that.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
We're gonna help a lot of folks out today.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's the goal.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
That's what we do here, right bro, That's right. Okay,
Let's tell this is so good. But he told you
you're from Connecticut. Let's let's go in your backstory a
little bit. Okay, okay, let's talk about growing up a
little bit I.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Grew up in Stuffield. We were one of the only
black families there, and I went to Stuffield Academy to
prep school, and uh then after that went on to
college at Trinity, which was h If it wasn't for sports,
I probably wouldn't have gone a place.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Before we talk about we got to talk about growing
up bro I mean you you know, Let's you said,
you know there was a cross out in front of
your lawn one day.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, when my parents first bought our house. Uh, there
was they burned across on the house and uh, you know,
of course I wasn't born at the time, but uh
uh hearing those stories and and my my mother was
originally from Connecticut. My dad was from New York in
the Bronx. And actually the first exposure to racism he

(03:11):
really got was when he moved to Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
He was from the Bronx. He was a postman in
the Bronx.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
He was a postman in the Bronx. He had he
had a mail route he delivered, and they wouldn't let
him do that. When he moved to Connecticut to marry
my mother, they wanted to keep him in the office,
and so he kind of got discouraged by that, and
then he he ended up from the post office. He
he was a he drove like cement mixers. Then he

(03:36):
drove a gasoline truck for Hesse, and then he started
selling life insurance and then he got into banking. And
uh so in my childhood, over those years that was
we saw. I saw. I was able to see my
dad go from you know, not knowing what he wanted
to be, you know, a high executive in the banking industry.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, I want to talk more about your dad here
into an incredible movie. He's your hero. You know, your
father's your hero. We're you getting in that little bit.
You didn't really racism, didn't really fifth or sixth grade,
someone you know, used the in words towards you and
that was a kind of a tough day for you.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah, Like I didn't. I didn't really see color. I mean,
my it was just something. It's kind of weird to
have to communicate this back to you about it, But
I didn't realize I was a black kid till like
fifth or sixth grade, and some some kid told me,
and I had heard so many negative things about black
people because of the Civil War, come from monkeys all

(04:34):
these kind of things, you know, and I was really depressed.
I didn't want to go to school for days. For
probably three four days, I didn't go to school because
I was depressed, I believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, your father though your mother that they were we
kind of show up no matter what. We kind of
make things happen here. And they're very savvy people. And
they started giving you, I think, coloring books.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, comic books. They were like comic books of all
the like Frederick Douglass, all different great black people and
their contribution to society, like the first open heart surgery
was done by a black man, so on and so forth,
all these different things to try to to try to
get me to understand and have pride in the fact
that I was black, you know. So yeah, so from

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a reflective view now, I didn't really get a good
acceptance from the black community either because I was so light.
I was so light skinned, so you know, I would
they would call me yellow or whatever, you know, like
there was so I never really got accepted. I probably
ultimately ended up getting more acceptance by white people because

(05:41):
I was around more than I did black people. But it,
upon reflection, the advantage of that was that I learned
how to think for myself, Like I didn't do things
to get the approval of other people around me because
I never had it to begin with. So I just
kind of I just kind of learned how to be

(06:04):
okay with my own thoughts. I mean I had I
did not have a good self image, and I started
My first sport was was martial arts, was judo, and
then from that I went into ice hockey because my
grandfather took me to see a kid in town who
was kind of a kid that I looked up to,
and he played hockey, and that's what got me interested

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in playing ice hockey. And so I just put myself
and poured myself into that. You know, I remember my
parents yelling at me at night stopped shooting the pucks
down in the basement. You know, the banging off of
the thing was reverberating up to the house. So I
just kind of I just kind of put myself into that.
My grandparents, my grandfather was a horseman and my mother

(06:45):
was in rodeos. So we and on the weekends, we
went to rodeos every weekend, and you know, like my mother,
you know, those white girls did not want my mother
to beat them, and so my grandfather would have to
actually stay there with a stopwatch and time. He stood
next to the timer with his stopwatch to time her

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times to make sure that they didn't shortcut her on
her times and stuff. So that was kind of the environment.
And my grandfather was amazing with horses. He he he
had this whole trick horse act and he would, yeah,
he would ride He could ride three horses at one time.
He had this skit where like he pretended he was

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drunk and then the horse had to get him home.
He had a thing with a teeter totter where the
where the he would stand on or he start standing
on one end of the teeter board and the horse
would get on the other end and the horse would
move till it till it got balanced, and then he
would go from standing to laying down on the horse.
And then he had one horse that he would jump
through fire. So he did all these things, like he

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called out Roy Rogers all the time, but he would
never he was never going to get to that level
of fame because of the fact that he was black,
you know. And I remember as a kid being in
the meadowlands and they had this thing called the Black
Rodeo and it was all black cowboys and cowgirls that
was there. And and Muhammad Ali showed up at the

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at the event and he got on my grandfather's horse.
In fact, there's a there's a clip of it on
YouTube of Muhammad Ali on my grandfather's horse. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'll show you. I'll show it to you. And uh
and uh. You know how Ali was.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
He liked the show off and yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Okay, So my grandfather was a pretty He was a tough.
He was a tough. He was a lot like Fred
Sandford to give you an idea in terms of persona
and personality. He was like, you know, like to the
point where we would get just from the junk yard
on you know, Christmas and stuff. He was just a character.
He like he'd walk in the house with horseshoes, horse

(08:51):
ship on his shoes and my grandmother would go yelling
at him, and he was curious, you got nothing else
to do? All they just clean, just crazy you know stuff.
But Ali was on his horse and he reared the
horse up and my grandfather was like, oh, Champ, take
it easy. We don't want to We don't want anybody
to get hurt, you know, and he's like, okay, popsy.

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So he did it again, and my grandfather could see
him like he was he was starting to get bothered
by it, you know. And so after the third time,
he went over to Ali and he put his hand
on Ali's eye and he said, look, nigga, you might
know how to float like a butterfly and sting like
a bee. If you keep sucking with me, I'm gonna
knock you to your knees.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Oh god, that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's hilarious. It was humbly. I'll never forget it.
But I just as a kid, I remember, Wow, my
grandfather wasn't intimidated by Muhammad Ali, Like I can't believe that,
you know, wow. And so that was kind of And
my other grandfather was the complete opposite. Like he was
a church going man, a true gentleman like my father's father.
He was the guy that would go around and he

(09:58):
would pick up all the ladies didn't have rides to
church on Sunday and he would bring them to church.
And so I got both sides, both sides. Yeah, I
got both sides, which was which was great.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
You know, you're very humble, tr, I love that about you.
But you you were quite an exceptional hockey player.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, I could have been better, like if I believed
in myself more.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay, so you had los yeah, but you you you
were able to get to great college.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
But before we get to the college part, there's something
you told me on Friday that it broke my heart
but also made me love you more. Your coach, Right,
you're at I think you're at a prep school.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Yeah. I was at Press.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You're getting ready to like like.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well I was. I was the only kid on on
our team that was getting recruited by any colleges. I
didn't win m VP for my team. And when I
went to college, my parents one of the first weekends,
they went to a minority orientation and the lady who
was the head of it says to my mother, who

(11:00):
is so and so, And my mother said, oh, that's
that's TR's hockey coach. And she's like, well, I don't
know why he would ask him to write a recommendation
for my mom's like, what do you mean? And he
wrote my recommendation that I didn't have the skills to
play college hockey. So it's just yeah, but you know,
like and and again like you know, when you reflect

(11:24):
back on life, I think the thing that's important for
people to understand is the things that you're going through
at the time that you're going through. Like Tony always says,
the universe is working for you, it's not working against you. Yeah, right,
And so so the big takeaway from that for me
was that I had to learn how to believe in

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myself more and not allow what I thought about myself
to be dependent upon somebody else. That's number one and
number two. Part of the reason that I'm so passionate
when I work with people that I work with now,
that I want to give them everything that I can
to help them succeed is because I know what it
feels like to not get that right. And if I had,

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if I had a different experience right when I was younger,
I would not know how to tap into that like
I had to desire I would I would because I
didn't have the self belief. I felt like I had
to work extra hard in order to get anything. So
I learned the skill of working hard. But when you
work hard and you believe in yourself, then things come

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much easier than if you just have one side.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You know, well, let me let me stop you there,
because what you said is so powerful. You know, Tony
talks about Tony. We're gonna talk about you day. We're
gonna give you a big shout out.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
You're gonna appreciate this episode, big time man. Tony talks
about if it wasn't for his abusive dad, do not
be who exactly? And right? Yeah, and his violent father
and growing up in poverty, being kicked out at sixteen,
he made that his superpower.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
And that's what you did too.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's right. But you know, like it's it's funny you
say that. But you know when you hear stories like
that from people like who everybody looks as knows as
a successful person, you realize Tony could not have gotten
as successful as he got without that. I mean maybe
he could, I mean whatever, it wouldn't have looked the same,
let's put it that way. And it was actually Tony's
work that helped me start to understand those things that

(13:20):
like when you know, like years ago I bought the
Personal Power series that he created, and the depth of questions,
you know, like ends, values, means values, all these different
things that were in the exercises in that course really
got me to start to look at what my thoughts were,
where they came from, how I even got them. And

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you know, you just take for granted you wake up
in the morning and there's this conversation floating around in
your head. You never take the time to wonder, well,
where did that programming come from? And the Personal Power
Series really helped me to start to unpack, you know,
where my thoughts were. To that degree, the extensiveness of

(14:05):
it is, uh, it was. It was really profound for me.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
So you you're at Trinity, you don't only care about
the classes, but you're doing well and right your junior
year you're the MVP.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, senior year, you have another very successful season, right,
and what happens your senior year?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Okay, So in the junior year, when I got elected captain,
I thought to myself, well, what I would like to
do is I would like to see if I could
get other guys to work out, Like if we could
get if I could get all the guys on the
team to work out, then we would have a more
successful year. And at that time, there was a debate

(14:48):
in the fitness community whether working out was going to
make you muscle bound, or whether working out was going
to actually be something that could help you improve your
athletic performance. So I received a lot of backlash from
that suggestion. And at the awards banquet, I invited my

(15:09):
grandparents from New York to come up, and my my
mother's from Suffield came down and they coach stands up
and he says, well, we have a very special war
we would like to present to somebody who's very serious
and dedicated about whatever, whatever whatever, And he said, Tierr,

(15:30):
could you come up here please? And so I go
up there and I'm all excited and they hand me
a case of beer. It was kind of like it
was kind of like an f U gift for for me.
The perception after I won MVP was that that I
was taking myself too serious and and that because at

(15:52):
that time my personality I was very I was very intense,
but I did I didn't know. I didn't know how
to massage people like I was, you know, and so
I didn't realize that when you win awards like that,
people see you differently. And there's a way, like if
you look at Wayne Gretzkier, you look at people who are,

(16:15):
you know, have received a lot of awards. They're always
very gracious, and there's a way that they interact with everybody,
from the person who's doing the maintenance in the building
to the generalman. There's a different way you have to interact.
And I had no awareness of that because I had
never received any accomplished you know, acknowledgment for my accomplishments

(16:38):
before like that. So I didn't know how to play
it differently. And so the way that I came across
to my teammates, and of course I'm able to communicate
this now upon reflection, was it was, you know, people
thought I was taking myself a little too seriously. I
would go to the rink my senior year every morning
before class. I never got any help, you know, the

(17:00):
coach never came, Nobody ever came to help me or whatever.
But my goal I wanted to be a pro hockey player,
you know, and I couldn't understand why my coach didn't
want to help me. Would only make him look good
if I could go on and I could do whatever,
you know. So upon reflection, I understand why it happened.

(17:20):
And what's really amazing, you know, is my mother on
one of my birthdays when I was living out here now,
and she put together a scrap book for me. And
in this scrap book it had like my report cards
from when I was a kid, like I wrote this.

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You know, at that time, I thought my idol was
Bobby Orr. So I wrote this letter to Bobby Orr.
And there was a copy of the letter there, and
she had put all these things in there, and I
turned the page and I didn't realize it, but there
was a picture of me getting that case of beer. Instantly,
when I saw the picture, the voice in my head said, now,

(18:06):
don't you see how ironic it is that you got
a case this You got this case of beer as
an f you gift for your teammates because you wanted
to try to make them better hockey players, and you
make your living training the best hockey players in the world.
It's symbolic, Beautiful, man, you understand straight up. So when

(18:26):
you again, when if people are going through things, now
do the inner work. And when you do the inner
work and you get yourself out of it, you're gonna
look back at those incidents now that seem overwhelming, and
you're gonna realize, no, those are the things that made
you great. You know, those are the those are the

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things that are gonna push you. And when you just
find that inner confidence, you find that inner drive, you
find the inner skills of how to handle these things
that seem to be coming at you so fast, you
will learn that those incidents are put there to help
you to become great, you know. And so that's I

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would not be as good at what I'm doing now
if I hadn't had those experiences. There's no way, no,
I know that about you.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Man. Yeah. So after that, you're like, I'm done with you.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, I didn't look at hockey. You're like, I didn't skate,
I didn't do anything for ten years. I was done
with it. Right.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
You get involved in amway, you get involved in Tony Robbins.
You're working the phones for the alumni.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Well, yes, My first job when I graduated was I
worked for the college and I would travel to college
for the alumni department. And we had created this phonathon
program where I would get an alumnus who had a
big office building with a lot of phones, and we
would call all the alums in the area and they
would come and they would get on the phones and
we would try to raise money for the alumni through

(19:53):
through this phonathon program, and I would travel a different
parts of the country. But then part time I started
working looking at us at a gym that was down
the street from the college. Because once I couldn't Once
senior years over and I knew I wasn't going to
be able to play hockey anymore, I got into weightlifting.
I really I looked. I always used to look at
the bodybuilding magazines when I was younger and be fascinated

(20:15):
by the look. And because this gym that was down
the street from the school had a lot of bodybuills,
and I would look at those guys and I'd be like, Wow,
those guys are strong. That's what an athlete. Wow, that
would be amazing, you know. And so I left my
position at school and I started working full time at the.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Gym, and much to your parents dismay, right.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, they thought I lost my mind, right, because I'm
traveling the country and I'm meeting all these INFLUENTIA alumni people, right,
and I'm like, hey, man, this ain't for me. You know.
The last one of the things that I'll never forget
is I was so bored sitting at my desk one
day that I was starting to fall asleep, so I
didn't want to get caught falling asleep, so I pulled
out my chair and I went underneath, and they're like

(20:57):
cubicle and then I pulled the chair and then I
just took a nap under there. And I woke up
because I heard somebody saying, here's anybody seeing tr you know,
like worse tr And then I got back in my
chair and I go, oh, I'm over here. I'm over here,
you know, And I just knew that I couldn't as
a living sit behind the desk. That was That was
the one incident that let me know. And the other
one happened to me when I was younger, Like my

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dad was a banker. He was a commercial loan officer
for CBT Connecticut Bank and Trust. And every year, you know,
my dad would want to try to get promoted. And
so I always remember in the in the summertime, my dad,
we would go as a family when we took vacations.

(21:41):
We had we started out with a five person tent
because it was myself and my two younger brothers, and
we would go camping at these different places and and
one year, we went up to Dartmouth and the reason
that we camped up there in Hanover was because my
dad was taking a financial course there at Dartmouth. And
the reason that he was doing those things was because

(22:05):
whenever he got passed over for promotion, they had to
communicate to him what it was if you know, if
his writing skills weren't up to snoff. All I knew
was my dad was taking a writing course if it's
something else. Because he didn't have an MBA, he went
and he started taking these financial classes. So he didn't
want race to be the reason that he didn't get

(22:25):
accepted for these positions. So whatever excuse they gave him
why he didn't get promoted, he would get better at
that kill so they couldn't use it against him again.
And one day he one day he called me in
and he wanted to have a conversation with me. And
I think the reason, I think the reason he wanted
to have the conversation with me was because he didn't

(22:48):
want me to think less of him as a man
because he wasn't going to get promoted anymore. And the
reason he found out ultimately he wasn't going to get
promoted anymore. Is because at one of the Christmas parties,
his boss got really drunk and my dad decided to
drive him home so he wouldn't get into an accident
or whatever. And on the way home, he started confessing

(23:08):
to my father how much he admired him, how much
he looked up to him, and he just told me, said, look,
I just want you know flat out that you're you're
not gonna get higher in the bank because you're black.
And so my dad wanted to teach me a lesson.
You never let that be an excuse why you can't
achieve something. If somebody says that you do, you get
yourself better at that so it can't be used against

(23:30):
you as an excuse or whatever, right, and so you know,
ultimately my dad left that bank and then went on
to become the president of a bank, but he he
never The lesson for me was you never let that
be an excuse why you don't achieve something, and that
and that doesn't have to do necessarily just with color.

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That could be with respect to anything, if you know,
whatever it is. If somebody says you're not good enough
at something, then get good at it and then they
can't you know, use it against you. It's just it
just takes a little time, but it's ultimately going to
make you better.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
So and then you're at this gym and you're like,
this feels this is what I want.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, I wanted to learn everything.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Let's talk about the early time with that gym, and
then you had a couple of young young lads come
in that day, right.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, like I at that time. I want The thing
that was cool about this particular gym was it was
it was a two family house and the first floor
the basement and the garage the guy converted into a gym,
and upstairs were apartments and he lived in one apartment.

(24:37):
And then I was able to actually live in the
apartment across the hall from him. And I wanted to
learn everything. I wanted to learn how to do the
maintenance on the equipment, clean the bathrooms, sell the memberships,
how to work out, how to do the maintenance on
all the equipment. I just wanted to learn everything about
it because I was passionate about it and I loved it.
And his goal was to go from this facility into

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what most gyms are now. Like he he would actually
come out to goals and he saw what goals gym
was like, and that was the that was the ultimate
gym model for gym's globally, and so there was no
gyms like that in Connecticut. So he went and that
was his goal. And I didn't realize it at the time,

(25:21):
but he ended up being probably the biggest steroid dealer
in the country. And so all I know is I
was taking out ups boxes every day to the truck
and they were going here and going there, and I
just thought it was vitamin. I didn't even ask no questions,
you know. And he saved up his money and then
he bought land and he built that gym. So I
was able to see that whole process go from nothing

(25:45):
to something wow. And so when we went over to
that new gym, he didn't think that my personality would
be the right kind of personality to run the gym,
and I was like insulted by it. So I was like,
you know what, Okay, I'm going to open my own gym.
And so I said to my dad one day, I said, Dad,
you know, I think I'd like to open a gym.
And he said, well, you're gonna have to do a

(26:05):
business plan, and you know, me not being the most
academically oriented guy, Like, I mean, I could do my work,
but I never enjoyed it. He threw me a book
and he said, Okay, this book will tell you how
to write a business plan. Write a business plan. Then
you're gonna have to go out. You're gonna have to
find people who are gonna want to put money into it,
and the whole thing. And I said okay. And God
if he wasn't shocked that I came back and I

(26:26):
had done all that stuff, and then I I went
out and I got my own loan at the SBA,
and I opened my own I opened my own gym,
and before I was finished, I had two of my
own gyms, and before I moved out here, I merged
those two gyms in with a bigger organization and with
with the deal being that I could do all the

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private training. I could sell vitamins, I could sell clothes.
I could do it in this one location first, and
then once we learned how to get along, then I
could do it in twenty eight of their other clubs.
So for me, that was like a no brainer. But
I was like, my God, like, what am I doing
doing fitness in Connecticut? When a lot of my friends,
a lot of guys that I would talk to all

(27:10):
the time were the pro bodybuilders that were out here
in California, And I'm like, you know what, Like I
go out here. Every time I get a chance to
get in a vacation, I would come out here. And
so I was like, I'm I'm gonna go out there
and I'm gonna start over. And that's what I did,
Like I merged my gyms in with this other company
and that company is actually now Planet Fitness. When I

(27:31):
moved out here to establish credibility, I just my first
year here, I didn't train anybody. I just worked out
and I worked out with all different pro bodybuilders in
my first year out here and then further for probably
three years my work up, my consistent workout partner was
Lou Frigno and the last years that he was competing

(27:56):
were the years that we were training together. So when
you go into Golds and you see all the pictures
of Lou up on the wall, that's when we were
training together.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
For people to know who the freing tho is, He's
he's the incredible Hulk, Yeah, any incredible human being.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yes, yes, And what was hilarious about training with him
is he was death right and you know in the
in the gym or hard of hearing in the gym.
It was very competitive, you know, guys would all train
at the same place. So all of a sudden, I'd
hear Lou start swearing under his breath and I'd be like,
what's the matter, Lou, And he goes that guy over
there is talking crap about me. Like he could read

(28:30):
lips across the gym wall. He didn't have to hear him.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
He could.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
He could tell what people were talking about him. So
he could tell by just reading lips. It was hilarious,
you know, wow, So.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You're training him, people are starting to kind and then
what happened.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
So then I established my own credibility in the gym
and I and I decided I'm going to start training
people like I would come in to the gym when
I wasn't training, and I would sit up on the
in the cardio and I would just watch people train,
Watch how they train, watch trainers, watch how they interacted
with their clients. Because there was a guy named body

(29:02):
by Jake who was really famous for training. He was
the guy. And I was like, when I moved out here.
I'm like, I'm gonna blow this body by Jake guy
out of the water, you know, Like that was my goal.
And so when I was in the gym, I wanted
to see what all these other people were doing to
train people. And I noticed, like in Connecticut, we didn't
have as many accessories on for machines, like different kind

(29:24):
of handles, different bars, different And so I was like,
I want to I want to see what's going on,
like why does one guy look this way and another
guy look that way? And I would just sit up
there on that bike for hours, and I would watch
people train and I would see what the different effect
was different handles had on the body and all this,
and so I just I started training people. I had

(29:44):
good credibility in the gym, and eventually I had enough
credibility where people would try to refer people to me.
And so one day as this guy came up to
me and he said listen. He said, I have a
b who plays pro hockey, and UH, if he's thinking

(30:05):
of moving out here for the summer, would you be
willing to train him? And I said sure. And his
name was Alan May. It was the hockey player's name.
He's now a color commentator for the Washington Capitals, and uh,
I said, sure. So I'm training Alan and we're getting
near the end of the summer and we're doing this stuff.
And then Tony Danzeer came in to the gym with

(30:29):
Rick Valenti and this other guy who was a professional
hockey player, Chris Cellios, and they were watching me train Allan,
And like after two or three days, Chelliet came over
to me and he said, I've never seen anybody train
people like this before. He goes, how do you what
is this kind of training? You know, like if I
come out here next summer, would you be willing to

(30:50):
take me on or whatever? And I was like sure.
Now I never told him this, but I as a player,
I didn't even like the guy, you know what I mean.
But I knew he was a big name. He was
so nasty. He was like a junkyard dog, you know,
like he was mean. He was mean and snarly. Yeah,
and as a player, as a player, he was playing
against teams that I liked, so I that's why I

(31:12):
didn't want But he was the first American to ever
be captain of like the Montreal Canadians, So I started
working with Chelly, and you know, he was the real
first big name superstar athlete that I worked with. Other
athletes that I worked with before him were like Gaby
Reese who was a pro beach volleyball player and she

(31:35):
was also a high level model, and but she wasn't
Gaby Reeche yet, you know, like she was in a
way working her way up. So that was kind of
the extent of the athletes that I hadn't. Because I
got those, I started to get more and more and
more through word of mouth or whatever. You know.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
And were you at Goldsand which was pro Camp set
up there?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, because your office is a golds Gem, right.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
That's why I came up with the name for pro
Camp was after I started training Celli and more athletes
because my goal was to try to have an environment
that would help make them better athletes. And so it
was like a camp. You know, I didn't really I
didn't really train any fitness people. I just was, you know,
pretty much training all pro athletes at the time.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Well, the thing one of the things that makes you
so distinguish at what you do is you're obviously very
curious and you're looking at things people don't look at
and you were curious why these guys keep getting these injuries?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, I was. I was at home, and I would
I used to like to watch the games to see
if there were things that I could pick up that
would help you know them train better?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yea, watching your players, right, Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Eventually, Yeah, I got two. I still have two TVs
set up now, like one on top of the other.
I mean there was a time when any night of
the week I had multiple people on TV, whether it
was actors or athletes or whatever. So but in this instance,
and early on, I went to watch one of Allen's
games and he wasn't in the lineup, and I couldn't

(33:08):
understand where was he. I knew he had a good
summer of training, and so I called him after the
game and left the message. He called me back and
he said, oh, I got hurt. And I remember I
had this visceral feeling in my stomach like, oh my God,
like how could he possibly get hurt? Like I must
have done something wrong. And I was scared that he

(33:30):
wasn't going to want to come back, and so I
was apologizing and this and that and the other thing,
and it for whatever reason, this voice in my head said, look, Tire,
if you're going to train these guys, the main priority
has to be that they don't get hurt. Like it
was easy for me to make people bigger, faster, stronger.

(33:53):
That was easy. I could just use a lot of
the bodybuilding principles for that, I mean, but that wasn't
what was going to stop them from getting injured. So
I had to try to figure out, Okay, well, why
do people get hurt in the first place? What is it? Like?
How can I figure out why they get hurt? Because
if I can figure out why they get hurt, then

(34:13):
I can figure out how to prevent it. Because, let's say,
on a shoulder injury, my thought was, if a guy
first came to me and he could lift forty pounds
with his shoulder, and if I get him to lift
seventy pounds with his shoulders, he's never gonna have a
shoulder problem. And that wasn't the case. And so my
girlfriend at the time was doing She worked at Sentinella

(34:36):
Fitness Institute, which was part of Sintinella Hospital, and they
did all the fitness testing for all the pro teams
in LA And I said, listen, when those guys come
out here to train with me, We're gonna do the
same thing. The first day that they come in. We're
gonna test. We're gonna fitness test them, and we're gonna
find out why this is happening. It in the early
years of my fitness testing, I look at the result

(35:00):
and there's all these numbers on a piece of paper,
like she looked at range of motion and all the joints.
We did a sub max view two. We did all
these different things. But some of the guys who were
scoring the worst on the test were the best players.
So I was like, oh, man, this doesn't have any
correlation to reality. And then I started thinking, well, how
can I figure out If there was a way that

(35:21):
I could see the body like it had no skin,
then I could maybe see what was causing these injuries
and then I could do something about it. So I
remember from getting massages and massage work that would get
done on me, that I could get something done from
massage and then I would actually feel better when I
went to go work out the next time. So I

(35:42):
talked to that particular therapist. His name was John Switzer,
and I said, well, John, how how does this work?
Like what happens and whatever, and he would he told
me different things like when muscle tissue is really unhealthy,
it hurts and it's really sensitive. So I know, anybody
that goes to a and gets the massage. Some places
you go and you get the massage, you don't feel nothing.

(36:04):
Other parts of your body. It hurts like heck. When
they're working on the place where it hurts like heck
is where you have unhealthy tissue. So I said, okay,
we're going to add this into my assessment process because
I want to know where the healthy tissue is, where
the unhealthy tissue is. And then one of the other
things that we would do is I had this really
meticulous Austrian nutritionists and we would get all the blood

(36:28):
work so he could look at all the blood work.
Another thing that I knew that was an issue was posture,
and you could tell things that were going wrong in
the body by a posture. The posture it's almost like
looking at you know how those scientists look at the
rings of a tree and they can tell what's going
on with the health of the tree by the rings. Well,

(36:49):
you can do the same thing with a person's posture.
So then we started taking pictures of everybody's posture. We
took it from the front, from the back, from both sides,
and I first started using a polaroid camera. So we
would take these polaroids and I would have these polaroids
pictures of people. And the only other thing that I
felt was missing was, Wow, wouldn't it be cool if

(37:11):
I could see how their body breaks down when they're
actually doing their sport. So I bought slideboards and I
set up a video camera and I would have them
go as hard as they could for a minute on
the slideboard, and I could see how long it would
take for them to get tired. And when they got tired,
I could see how their body would break down. Like

(37:31):
I could see, I could visually see how it would
break down. So now we had all this information in
the assessment. We had posture, we had all the range
of motion stuff, we had healthy unhealthy soft tissue, and
we had how how they do when they perform. So
now I was able to start to identify By correlating

(37:54):
all this information, I was able to start to identify
how and why people get hurt. So I would get
my nutritionists, I would get my massage people, and I
would get my trainers and we would all sit down
in the same room and I would say, Okay, to
the massage guy, what are you trying to do first?
And I would say the nutritionis what are you trying

(38:14):
to do for? Because I did not want a client
to go to one person and him tell them one thing,
the other one tell them something else, and then the
trainers are telling them. I wanted a homogeneous experience for
the client. I wanted everybody on the same page. And
what I discovered is the way that I was training
people was working against some of what other people were doing.

(38:37):
Or for example, if the massage therapist was trying to
make somebody muscle tissue healthier quicker and it wasn't happening quicker,
he would communicate to the nutritionists, hey man, this guy
must be fudging on his nutrition because it's been this
number of weeks and he is not getting better. And
so we were able to we were able to homogenize
the experience like a car My mind was like a

(38:58):
car wash. They came in dirty. We wanted to get
the soap, we wanted to scrub them, we wanted to
put the brush on them and then polish them so
that when they went back, and so the training process
that I developed became all of the solutions for the
problems that the assessment identified. And we did the assessment.

(39:19):
I probably did the assessment for probably fifteen years before
I stopped it.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Your worked, Your players didn't get injury.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I never had. I never had injuries. I never that's yeah,
I never had. I never had a player have a
major injury since in all my time I trained.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And when they retired Chris's jersey at the United Center,
you were there.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, he invited me there. Yeah, what was that? Like?
It was well, first to have him mentioned met at
his Hall of Fame speech. Fuck was wow? Man? That
was that was I mean I'm sitting there watching TV
and he said and I was like I couldn't believe it,

(40:07):
you know, like it was like, you know, it made
my parents proud too, you understand, because you know, don't
forget I left Trinity to go do this thing.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
That's not forgotten.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
You know, it's not forgotten. So so that was the thing.
And so to then to be able to go to
the United Center and be there on the ice, have
him talk about me in front of the United Center
and the people at the ceremony and be there for that.
It was I don't know, there's no words. There's no word,

(40:38):
there's no words. There's no words they can describe the
the gratitude and the and the feeling, you know, like, uh,
so many so many people take for granted what I
was trying to do, and so for me to get
that acknowledgment from him was really was really beyond words.

(41:01):
Actually calls you. Yeah, I don't know if I want
to talk about much just because I want to keep
it quiet.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, okay, got it done.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
But we can we can talk about I can talk
about him without talking.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
About Let's talk about without talking about him.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
In terms of the assessment, like why it was such
a special process and how it informed the way that
I trained people. You know, a really famous athlete came
to me last year who had suffered a really bad
achilles tear, and he reached out to me because he

(41:42):
wasn't progressing in his rehab the way that he wanted
to when he was getting scared because the season was
coming up and he was about to start, and so
I did a little research. I went on. I asked
him for video of him playing because one of the

(42:03):
things that I always like to do. And one of
the benefits for me watching guys play all the time,
I could tell when guys weren't doing the exercises I
wanted to do because their stride was off or something
in their performance would be off, and that was because
they weren't doing an exercise that was designed to help
that movement pattern or whatever. Right, So I wanted to
get familiar with his movement patterns, and I could tell that.

(42:30):
I asked him the question, when you're playing, has anybody
ever stepped on your foot the front of your foot?
And he said probably one hundred times, and I said, okay,
So I knew that there was scar tissue there. And
the way that he got hurt is somebody came from
behind him and because his foot, like if you look

(42:51):
at the from your toes forward, let's say your toes
are over here, and this is the back part of
your foot, and your ankle goes up here in the
middle of your foot, there's a joint. Well, when he
kept getting stepped on the foot, this thing developed scar
tissue in between it, so his foot couldn't bend from
the toes forward. So when he got hit from behind,

(43:13):
because his foot couldn't bend. All the additional stress went
towards the ankle and the achilles, and because it was
somebody else's body weight, when he went forward, it basically
ripped the achilles out of the back of his on
the back of his heel, and that was so the
the injury was the achilles, but the cause wasn't the achilles.

(43:35):
And what happens is most people, anytime they get it
any kind of source of pain, they think that the
pain is where the cause of the injury is. And
that's not always the case. It's the effect. So because
his foot couldn't bend, all the stress, additional stress went

(43:56):
to the ankle and the achilles, and the achilles tore.
So in order for me to fix the foot and
the achilles, I had to realign all the bones in
his feet so that we could get that foot to
bend the way that it was supposed to bend. And
after the first treatment of doing that, he looked at
me and he said, I haven't been able to walk
like this for twenty years. And so it was just

(44:20):
a testimony to the process that was created, you know,
you know, And there's many examples, like I had a
wide receiver who chronically was pulling one hamstring and you
couldn't figure out what to do. He got all the
therapy treatment, ultrasound, all this other kind of stuff. But

(44:42):
what people didn't understand because they didn't understand the correlation
between posture and performance. This line between my fingers, let's
say that's your hamstring. When your hips are even, That
distance between my fingers shows the amount of pressure on
my hands string. If my hips get pulled up, the

(45:04):
hamstring gets pulled tight. Now what's the normal thing that
somebody thinks when they have a tight muscle, I want
to get on the floor and stretch. Well, this guy's
hamstring was already stretched too tight. That's why he felt
he felt it was tight. So they're getting on the
floor doing all these other kind of stretches and all this,

(45:25):
and it was contributing to the to the problem. It
wasn't fixing the problem. What we had to actually do
is we had to actually get the hip to come
down so that it would take pressure off the hamstring
and then it would never get hurt again, you know,
like the hamstring never got hurt again. And because if
you look at the anatomy of the hips. Both your
right and left hip, they're not connected as one piece,

(45:48):
they're two different pieces. And because one side was raised
up higher than the other side, that was why one
hamstring was getting more always having the chronic problem as
opposed to the other side. And so it's just you know,
things like that, having that kind of understanding, and it
goes back to Okay, now I discover what the problem.
So the next question becomes what causes these things? Like

(46:11):
why does this stuff happen? And I actually traced it
back to what I coined, the genetic growth program. When
Dylan was young, the first thing that he did as
a strength training method was crawl. That develops all the
core muscles in your shoulder, It develops all the core
muscles along your spine, It develops all the core muscles
in your hip and that. But you never taught him

(46:33):
how to crawl biomechanically the right way, nor did you
have any control over how he grew. I mean, his
feet could have grown like this way before anything else.
His upper body could have been, you know, growing fast,
his hands could. You had no control over how he grows.
We have no control over how we grow, and we

(46:53):
developed compensation patterns for movements that we do as a result.
So what you'll see is you'll see some parent whose
kit isn't fast well when he's going through his growth
spurt and all of a sudden, his legs were this longer,
now this long, and he doesn't have the inner core
strength in his hips, which people don't even know that
there are inner core muscles in the hips. The reason

(47:16):
he's not fast is because that inner structure isn't strong
enough to handle the literal weight. So you develop compensation problems.
And then what they do is they think, Okay, my
kid's not fast. Here's what i'm gonna do. I'm gonna
put them on a treadmill and I'm gonna make him
run really fast on a treadmill. And what they don't
understand is that's gonna make the problem exponentially worse because

(47:38):
now you're forcing the body to do something even faster
than it couldn't do before. And the short term they
might get faster, but in the long term they end
up with low back problems or pull hamstrings or whatever.
There's a myriad of problems that can happen. And so
when you look at what's going on in the fitness

(47:58):
industry now driving the fitness industry, and what's driven it
forever has been cosmetic appearance. And because people are interested
in their cosmetic appearance, that informs their workout choices. If
you look at orthopedic surgeons, orthopedic surgeons are busier now

(48:21):
than they've ever been. Who are they working on, Not
couch potatoes. They're working on all these supposedly fit, active people.
And because they train wrong and they don't get these
compensation patterns out of their body when they go to
do these activities, they're making themselves worse and they end
up getting injured, and that's why they end up having

(48:43):
the surgeries. And the problem is that the surgery fixes
the effect, it still doesn't get the cause. That's why
people have multiple surgeries because they never get at what
caused the problem in the first place. And because they
don't get what caused the problem in the first place,
they never get the right solution to it. And so

(49:03):
in my journey, I spend half my day now training
people and the other half I spend my time doing
bodywork and corrective things on people. Because the other thing
that people have no clue of is they don't even
know what healthy muscle tissue feels like. And so to

(49:27):
make your audience understand, healthy muscle tissue is like a
wet sponge. It's elasticly, it springs back, it has good
blood flow, good circulation. And unhealthy muscle tissue is like
a dry sponge. It's it's it's hard, it's easy to tear,
it's brittle. And that's why people tear muscles or you know,
pull things, and because the elasticity of the muscle tissue

(49:51):
isn't right. And so I would say that ninety five
percent of the way people work out now is wrong
and they don't realize it's because they're being driven by
their personal insecurities as opposed to okay, what is the
Have you ever gone to the LA Marathon. I've never
seen a collection of more unhealthy people in my life.

(50:11):
I mean, look at these look at these things. I'm serious, Like.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I know, they.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Got knee things on, they got this thing wrong, they
got that. But that's because running as an activity. You know,
Tony talks about this a lot. He talks about neurochemicals
and how neurochemicals drive behavior. Okay, well, endorphins are designed
to help you mask physical pain. So think about this.

(50:38):
You got a slight knee injury, You're getting a little
joel of endorphins. Then you run, which running is going
to give you more endorphins, so you're getting a hit.
Look at people running. You never see anybody running down
the street and they look healthy or they look happy,
but they run because it's a psychological escape. Right. Dopamine

(51:01):
is another neurochemical. So when you go to like CrossFit,
you got all these people that think, Okay, I'm not
in shape, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna just destroy
myself in CrossFit, and what happens is part of the
nomenclature in a workout like CrossFit, is they have all
the exercises listed. Okay, today you're gonna do all these exercises.

(51:21):
And what happens after you finish every exercise. What happens
after you finish each exercise is you get an endorphin hit.
So now you've got these neurochemicals are what's driving people's
fitness behavior. It's not what do I need to do
to make my muscle tissue healthier? What do I how
do I need to train to do that? What? What

(51:42):
are the selection of exercises that are gonna help me
get rid of the compensation patterns that I've accumulated over time.
What is it that I need to What are the
behaviors that I need to do to become healthy?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
So what are some for the audience? What are some
basic simple things that they can do to work out
the right way? What are some of the just the
basic kir Goodman techniques. You know, not everyone's gonna have
the benefit, right, No.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
I understand, But but the basic things is is you
have to think about I call it. I call it.
I call it the Yin Yang theory. So as soon
as you do an exercise for chest, you have to
immediately do an exercise for back. Because let's take your
legs for example, if you do leg extension, your quads fire.

(52:32):
If you do leg curls right after, your hamstrings fire,
but your quads shut off right right. So by doing
this yan yang thing, you never leave the quad traumatized.
You leave it relaxed because you're doing things like that.
So there's a way, there's a way of doing your

(52:54):
exercises selections in such a way that you help to
encourage the healthiness of the muscle tissue, like doing fifteen
reps as opposed to eight reps. You know things like that,
like there's a there's a chemistry training people on a

(53:17):
high levels. There's a real chemistry to it. There's a
I mean, fortunately, I have to create a systematic process
for it. Some of the times when you come into
the office and you see everybody in the office and
they're working out in the office and we're not in
the gym, those exercises that they're doing there are designed
to strengthen all their hip core muscles or their shoulder

(53:39):
core muscles. And by strengthening those shoulder core or hip
core muscles, you help to realign your posture and you
help to eliminate any problems that can happen where your
structure is not properly aligned or is not balanced the
right way. But making choices because you want to be

(54:02):
healthy as being the driving force for your workouts, as
opposed to making choices because you think you want to
have six pack abs. Okay, well you have six pack abs,
but in the process of doing all those leg raises
because your hip core muscles weren't strong enough for the
weight of your legs, and you've been going out there
and you've been doing squats and you've been doing leg praces,

(54:23):
which is going to put more muscle on your legs,
make your leg bigger and heavier. Well, your support muscles
for moving your hips weren't strong enough for the weight
of your leg before, but now you've just made your
leg bigger and heavier. And you're doing all these leg
raises because you think it's going to work your lower abs,
and all it's doing is making your so ass tight,
which attaches to the back of your spine, get tight,

(54:44):
and when it gets tight, it compresses your vertebrae and
your spine and you end up with back problems. Then
you can't figure out you got six pack abs, but
you're in the hospital getting a back surgery.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Well, there's some very good spiritual metaphors here for recovery
and people big time. We'll give you an as. So
let me ask you this, buddy. I people, as you
know a lot of folks come to SHELL. In order
for it to work, there has to be a buy in.
They got to buy into the program. Here, I've watched
you've got some you know, you're working with all these
They got to buy in your program. And how do

(55:15):
you deal with all these egos and these different people,
they've tried everything.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
They's a it's an awesome question. And in my early
career years, what I did not realize I was very dictorial.
But that's because I knew the things that I was
going to ask people to do hadn't been seen before
and they didn't know what it was. But what I
did not realize at the times, you know, was I'm

(55:43):
talking to everybody's subconscious, okay, And I didn't realize the
power of the subconscious. So when you come into my
office sometimes you'll hear that I'm playing someone talking about
the mind and all that other stuff. And that's because
when people come to me, they see me as the

(56:04):
fitness authority. They don't see me as the mind authority.
So I put a mind authority on at the same time.
But what they're doing is they're restrengthening their structure, their
physical structure, and at the same time, I have them
listening to content that's going to help them understand their
mental structure, so that when they're rebuilding themselves, they're not

(56:26):
only rebuilding their physical body, but they're rebuilding their mind
at the same time. Because it's that subconscious conversation that
drives their behavior, and they're asking me. When you think
of the concept of pushing somebody, what does that mean?
That means you're putting me in the position to get
you to do something you don't want to do. So

(56:48):
I'm automatically the enemy right off the jump. But in
my early years I didn't know how to communicate to
that subconscious in a way that didn't leave everybody hating me,
you know, in a sense, you know, like they did it,
and they did it because I told them to do it.

(57:08):
I wasn't communicative enough to make them understand why I
was asking them to do it, how it was going
to benefit them, and what would be the thing in
my case, you know, in the early years, well even
now to a certain state, people know that I get results.
So it's in some ways it's easier to get people
to buy in, but it's never easy because if they

(57:31):
knew or wanted to do it, they wouldn't be coming
to me right right. So now I know, I'm smart
enough to know that I'm communicating with their subconscious. And
the reason, the reason that I became aware of this
in my own life was I remember I had a

(57:52):
girl who was a masseuse, and she said, Oh, I
just had this incredible reading with this psychic and I
was like, wow, can you get me a reading with
the psychic? And she's like, yes, I'll see what I
can do. I said, tell her I can do any time,
just because I'm close. And she what came out of
my reading was she said, you have amazing healing abilities

(58:13):
and you need to go to this school. It's called
Pranic Healing and they're gonna it'll help you develop your
your your healing abilities. Well, Pranic Healing is an energy
healing uh school, And it was. It was in fact,
Master Co, who's the head teacher now is the one

(58:33):
who does all the meditations for Tony Robbins now, but
his teacher was still alive when I first started. So
like me and Master Co would hang out while the
Big Cheese was in town, you know, like whatever. And
the thing that was amazing about him was I always
had this fantasy in my head of of like what

(58:56):
the challenge monks were like where they had these wise
teachers that would teach them stuff, because there was years
ago there was a show on called Kung Fu with
David Carrody, and these wise monks would teach him and
then he would go out in the world and if everybody,
anybody wanted to confront him, he knew how to handle
the situation. And it was the teachings that were really important.
And fortunately for me, when I was a kid, I

(59:19):
had a guy that was somewhat like that as a
judo instructor. But when I started doing karate and different
other martial arts, I never was able to find that
same kind of teacher. Long story short, when I first
met Master Choa, who was the originator of the Pranic
Healing system, I was wondering, if this guy is really
going to be let me down again like all these

(59:41):
other teacher or if he's going to be the real deal?
So I'll never forget the first retreat that I went to,
he was speaking and I was at the back of
the room, and he was speaking at the front of
the class, and then he stopped to take a break
and I was standing in the back of room and
I was staring at him, and I was looking at him.
I was saying in my head, I was saying, are

(01:00:02):
you really are you for real? Are you? Are you
the real deal? Are you going to be like these
other people who let me down? Like are you, you know,
like are you real? Like okay? At the same time,
literally I'm saying at in my head. All of a sudden,
he looks up and he stares at me right in
the eye, and you know, if I didn't see it,
I would not believe it. His head turned into a

(01:00:25):
bull it like morphed, and I was like, holy smokes,
how is what I'm seeing? What I'm seeing? And I
was like, Wow, I meant no disrespect. I meant no disrespect.
I just wanted to make sure if I was going
to dedicate myself to this, you were the right person
for me to follow, you know. And I put my
head down and I was like, whoa like. Well, one

(01:00:45):
of the things that he used to do to me
when he would come into town is he would always
make me come in front of class and flex for people. Now.
He would always say to people, listen, it's very important
you guys to do these meditations. You want to do
all these spiritual things, well, dow Mo. The reason he
taught all these monks martial arts exercise is because they

(01:01:07):
couldn't do high level meditations and their physical bodies couldn't
handle it. So trs example, the importance of having a
strong body. Now I knew that if he because I
didn't like doing it, but he kept making me do it.
So I knew that if a guy was on this level,
there was something he was teaching me I had to

(01:01:29):
figure out. And what came to me was I must
have had ego problems, and he wanted to see if
I was getting off on the fact that I was
flexing in front ofies, or and or make me aware
that in previous lives or whatever. Maybe why I didn't
become more successful was my egout in the way of things.

(01:01:51):
And so because I looked at him as that kind
of a teacher, I knew that there was a lesson
why he kept putting me in that situation. And because
of that, I realized, Wow, my whole business was built
the wrong way? Was I was? I wanted to destroy
other trainers. I didn't want I wanted to be the

(01:02:13):
most dominant person in the gym like I. You know,
I used to love going in there and having all
my people take over a certain area of the place
and so on and so forth. And if anybody asked
me a question about somebody else, I would say, any
guy doesn't know this, and doesn't like I want it
to be, you know, like, and that was the ego, right,
So I realized, wow, okay, there's an ego thing. I

(01:02:35):
need to humble myself. And so I became more aware
of trying to be humble. And there was a meditation
that we would do. It was like brushing your teeth
every day. It was called twin Heart's meditation. You would
bless the earth from your heart, from your crown, and
then both with the prayer of Saint Francis, of as
easy breast people with loving kindness, all this stuff. And

(01:02:57):
I would do that every day. And I realized one
day that my muscles, all my muscles, and the reason
I was so strong was built on all this rage
and hate and insecurities from childhood, from me being a
little black kid who didn't get the right respect in
Connecticut from people, from me not getting the right acknowledgment

(01:03:20):
in sports and all this. That's what my muscle fibers
were made on it. And by doing that meditation and
blessing people every day, the literal vibration of my muscles changed.
My temperament changed from doing the meditations on a daily basis,
and so then I realized that the way that I
have to interact with people, I have to be more

(01:03:42):
compassionate because people have this conversation running them that they
don't even understand it's running them. And when you listen
to somebody like Bruce Lipton who talks about epigenetics, which
is at the core of why we all get disease,
It's not genes, it's the environment. It's your mental perception.
It's how you perceive what was said to you by

(01:04:02):
that other person that causes you to feel anger or
causes you to feel anxious or whatever. That's what are
the seeds of disease. It's not your genetics. Your genetics
is just strictly like a blueprint. The pattern could be
there if you express it, but it doesn't have to
manifest that way. So when I realized in his teachings
that your subconscious mind starts to be implanted in you

(01:04:28):
in the last trimester of your mother's pregnancy, I was like, Wow.
People don't have a chance. They have no idea to
the depth of which this subconscious programming has an influence
over their ability to perceive and see things in life.
So when I communicate with people now I have way
more compassion. I have way more patience and understanding, so

(01:04:54):
that because I understand that people don't realize what's driving
their conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
This beauty and you're not competing anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I'm not competing anymore. I would like to and I'm
and I'm in the process of preparing me as a
being to have the next second explosion in my business,
which is going to come when all my crap about
me is done. When that's gone, that's the foundation now

(01:05:23):
that I go to the next level. And for me,
the next level is going to be to be able
to help more people, to bring more awareness because right
now there is no spirituality in the fitness industry at all.
But if you look at the most ancient forms of exercise,
you look at karate, you look at ikto, you look
at any one of them, they have a belt system.

(01:05:45):
You start with the white belt and you end up
with the black belt. And what the black belt supposed
to symbolize is you've done something so long and so consistent.
What was once white becomes so soiled that it becomes black.
And that's in each what why do you go from
a white belt to a yellow belt, to a blue
belt to why is there a belt system because you're

(01:06:07):
being taught different levels of the exercise. So nobody goes
into a yoga class. I mean, you first go into
a yoga class and you want to go because they
got hot looking chicks in there. And then by the
time you're done, you're learning how to put more of
your self in every pose, in every movement. It's the
hero's journey. You go from the outside, the external superficial

(01:06:31):
to the inside. But that doesn't exist in the fitness
industry right now. And my goal is to bring that awareness,
to bring that consciousness to the fitness industry so that
people understand, like you asked me, well, okay, they can't
afford to go to you or whatever, they don't have
access to you, whatever. But there's levels, you know, there's
levels and having the quick fix so that you can

(01:06:54):
look good so you can get the girl and then
all of a sudden all your insecurities come out and
then you end up divorce. Was the point of that. Anyway,
you understand what I'm saying. So so that awareness needs
to be brought into the fitness vernacular. And that's what
that's my goal, that's my quest, that's what I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Oh that's beautiful, buddy, and you're the guy, dude. Let's
close with some of the some of the folks you
worked with that I've watched enjoyed watching you over the years.
The great James Kahn.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Yeah, man, nobody had better stories.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
He's the ultimate story Jimmy's the ultimate story teme.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Not just the storyteller, but he actually lived the stuff
he tells the stories. Yeah, I mean unbelievable. I remember
one time. I remember the first time. I remember being
back in Connecticut and looking at a Playboy magazine and
the first Latino girl, who is this playmate of the
month was this girl, Devin de Vasq queest. So Jimmy

(01:07:51):
says Tierre, he used to take me to the Playboy
mansion to watch the fights. This was before you could
get pay per view in your house. So he would
take me over there and hef only had twenty five
people there that it was a small group of people
that were there, and Jimmy would always take me, take
me there with him. Who's the first girl I meet?

(01:08:11):
Devin Devesquez? So I'm like, oh my god, like this
is unbelievable. Like when Jimmy was the Grand marshal for
the Daytona five hundred. They asked him to do it.
The only reason he said yes is because he knew
I was a NASCAR fan, and so he took us
and we flew on it on this private jet. It

(01:08:33):
was like it was a commercial airliner that they had
converted into this private jet. He flew me down so
I would have a first class experience at the Daytona
five hundred. And that was that he treated me like
a son.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Frank Gary, Yeah, Frank, great Frank Gary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Frank Gary treated me like a son. I loved watching
you guys, and I had and I was so dumb
at the time. I had no idea like what he
was doing. Like he would he would ask me, hey, Tier,
could you drive me down? Like this is when they
were building the Disney Concert Hall. So he was like, ah,
you know, I don't feel good driving and say could
you drive me down? Like do you drive me down
this afternoon? I was like, okay, sure, I'll drive you down.
And he would take me down there and I would

(01:09:11):
get exposed to all this other stuff. And there were
times where he would go down and there would be
like the Columbia University architecture students were there, and he
would answer questions from the architecture students and he would
tell him how well, Now, the way the construction works
is we use lasers, and so when they make a beam,

(01:09:31):
because of the lasers, we can get the beam so
precise that it's like within a sixteenth of an inch
from the tiny manufacturer to the time that they put
it here. Or the way that they dug out the
earth and the parking lot, they dug it out like
the base of a drum, so that when the cars
came into the parking lot, it would absorb all the
noise from the cars, like stuff that you would never

(01:09:53):
you would never know. And then I would cross pollinate.
So one time Frank, we brought like Chelley all his family,
Keith Primo, all these family, all these hockey players, they
brought their families and we had a private tour of
Disney Concert Hall by Frank when they were when they
were building it. And then when it was Frank's seventeenth birthday,

(01:10:14):
all the guys signed uniforms, had him framed, and I
want I went over to Frank's office with like a
dozen frame uniforms for and a half because he grew
up in Canada. He was a hockey fan, and I
was able to start cross pollinating. Or I took him
and Ray Liota down to the Stanley Cup when it
was in Anaheim, and you know, the people were going
crazy because those two guys were down there and it

(01:10:35):
was just, you know, it's the things that I've been
able to be exposed to. Or or going to the
d m Z with Peter Berg because he was promoting
the movie Battleship at the time and he took me
with him to UH. We went to Japan and then
we went to to to UH, South Korea, and because

(01:10:57):
his dad was in the Korean War, he wanted to
see the DMZ, which is the border between the North
and the South. And you see that thing on TV
and you got the guards and you got the whole thing.
And it was so cold that day. I could not
believe it. And the guy was saying, yeah, he said,
it was so cold. During the Korean War, there were
times when guys went to pull the trigger on the

(01:11:17):
shotgun and their fingers were frostbite and their fingers would
come off. Yeah, stuff like that. And it was so
cold this day and we were in this building on
the American side, and the guy is giving us these rules.
He's like, okay, because we had six military guys as
an escort for us to be at this thing. And

(01:11:38):
he's like, okay, now when we walk outside, we're gonna
take you over into because they have these buildings. They're
these they look like little barracks and on one side
of the table it's North Korea. On the other side
of South Korea. He said, we're gonna take you in here.
He said, So when we go outside, if you're gonna
have your hands in your pockets, leave your hands in

(01:11:59):
your pockets, don't make no sudden moves, don't do this,
don't do that, don't do the other. And I'm like,
what am I doing here? Like I don't need to
see this place? This bad? Right, So, so so we
go out there and all the troops that were guarding
us had those like terminator mirrored glasses on and their
helmets and they had this and the reason that they

(01:12:21):
wore those glasses is because they showed no facial expression
so that they could never give the North Korean troops
an excuse to shoot them or attack them or anything. Wow. Right,
So we're in this building and they want the things
that they warned us about is a lot of times
the North Korean troops will come in and look into
the building and try to intimidate you when they're in there.

(01:12:42):
So if they do that, don't get scared. We're allowed
to be in here. You're not gonna get kidnapped or
any of this other kind of stuff. And we had
these dudes guarding us and they had no facial expression whatsoever.
And we're in there and sure shit, the troops come
over and the North Korean troops and they're looking at us.
They're looking at us. And when we walked out of
that building, he said, okay. His back was to the building,

(01:13:03):
he's facing us, and he said, okay, I want you
to look over my shoulder. You see that window on
the left, on the bottom right hand corner, you're gonna
see a circle. They're taking your picture, so you might
as well smile. They're going to try to figure out
what got WHOA what have I do it here? Right?
But it was unbelievable thing. Wow, you know, to go
there and to when you go from when you go

(01:13:25):
it's only like thirty miles from the capitol in Seoul
to the DMZ. So when we go on the highway,
it's a regular highway like the four or five. The
farther north we go there's less and less cars, and
they have these big, huge concrete abutments on both sides
of the highway. And it dawns on you after wat

(01:13:47):
wait there's no bridge. Why do they need these big things?
And every quarter of a mile there's a guard shack
with a guy with an uzi, a South Korean troop
with a uzi watching the river because one time the
North Korean special forces guys snuck down the river and
attack what was their version of the White House. It's
called the Blue House. So they have guards now stationed

(01:14:08):
at the river all the time. And so the farther
north we go, we're on a highway like the four
or five. And by the time we get to the DMZ,
it was like COVID. Here there was not a We
were the only car on the road. There was no
other There was no other buildings that were being developed,
nothing else was developed. And those big abutments what they
were for was because if they ever went to war,

(01:14:30):
they would blow those things up and it would seal
off the highway. That way the North Korean troops just
couldn't drive their tanks down the highway system and get
right to the Oh, that must.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Have been a fun outing. I go back to your
shop there, which I love going through. It's a special place,
and I said, I need your help with somebody. Oh
see whatever you need And you said, well, who is it?
And I go, it's Tyson, you know, okay, Well make
it happen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
That was it, right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
And then I, you know, I bring Mike in. What
was that like from the first time meeting him to
you know, all the years we trained together.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Yeah, you know what, Let me just tell you how
stupid I am. When I was doing martial arts back
in Connecticut, you know, I thought, you know what, maybe
it be cool to go at Mike Tyson a little bit,
you know. And then the first time I saw him
and I looked at his body structure and from the
waist down, I was like, wow, this guy's feet are

(01:15:22):
like four like this ye, his waist and everything. The
reason he was knocking these people out. His punches started
at his feet and went up through that trunk of
his and I was like, wow, thank god, I never
did anything like that. But it was Initially it was
one of the biggest honors that I could have because

(01:15:48):
for me to be with Mike and be have some
responsibility for his vulnerability, Wow, like that was that was
That was amazing honor and amazing responsibility.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
He was out of shape then, he was super overweight
when we first started.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Yes, he was. He wasn't feeling great about himself at all.
And and you you've met Master Cole. But one of
one of the staple, one of the staple meditations that
we were taught that you could do to help people.
It's called the Great Invocation. And after work I was Mike.
He would want me to go and we would go

(01:16:29):
for walks, and honest to God, I would say. The
stuff I would say to him is, you know what, Mike,
You're gonna make it back. The world needs you, Mike,
like you don't understand, like you're you're you represent masculinity
for the world. Like the world needs you, and you're strong,
you can do these things. I would tell this thing.

(01:16:50):
But then from the time I left till the time
I got back, whenever it was quiet, I was doing
the Great Invocation over this because I wanted to see
that guy back. I did not want to see. I
did not want to see another human being feel that
way about themselves a person who was such a positive

(01:17:13):
influence on so many people's lives. Mike Tyson changed so
many people's lives. He brought something out of people that
was visceral, Like there was a masculinity that was latent
in people some people that he was able to bring
out of him. So for me to have some of

(01:17:34):
the responsibility of being with him at a time of
his vulnerability, wow, I mean, I couldn't. It was a
great It was a great honor. It was a great
honor for me. It was also a great frustration because
I know that if I could get Mike to do
and buy in like you said, to what I would

(01:17:57):
want him to do that there is no reason even
to this day for him to have the physical limitations
that he has, no reason whatsoever it would it would
just it would take six months to a year, but
he the next eighty years, ninety years of his life,
he would have a great quality of life, you know.

(01:18:18):
So it was it was it was what a what
a what a beautiful, beautiful person. Like when I think
of Mike Tyson now, I think of like when I
was a little kid. I remember seeing the little robin
birds in the nest and the mother Like that vulnerability,

(01:18:40):
that softness, that sweet that that's pure innocence. When I
think of Mike, that that's that's Mike Tyson that I
think of, you know, like I don't. It's a different. Obviously,
I respect him as an athlete, what he was able
to do, the way he trained, his intensity level, his focus,

(01:19:01):
you know when he was with Cuss, it was I've
not I've not seen a person maybe Lance Armstrong or
somebody like that, like you know, somebody really elite, like
a Tombrey whatever, some people like that that are really
can tap into that. But uh yeah, it was. It
was a It was a great, great honor.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Last one is this just an you like you up
on the bike early on watching people at galts. I
watch you, and I watched you come in with a smile,
you say hi to everybody, but the one person that
you made great impact with me on and you might
surprise you this kid, this black kid from Long Beach
hockey player who took three buses to get to training

(01:19:45):
with you in the morning, and you treated him like
he was the MVP of the Kings.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
Yeah, Emerson eat him yea Emerson. Yeah. Yeah. He was
a special kid, mixed family. His dad was white, mom
was black, and obviously in some ways I saw a
lot of me and him and what he would do.
He lived in Long Beach and he was coming to
me at the age of fourteen, right, and so he

(01:20:12):
would he would he would get a ride to or
roller blade to catch a train. The train would take
him to El Segundo and I would have Rob Blake
or some of the guys who were at the Kings
at the time pick him up at the train station
and bring him to the workout on Sometimes when he

(01:20:33):
couldn't do that, he would then take a bus from
El Segundo to Lincoln and then he would roller blade
or walk or run from Lincoln to the gym. And
he did that from the age of fourteen till he
was probably seventeen or you know, and and he ended

(01:20:54):
up becoming a first round draft pick by the Ducks.
So it was, it was, it was. It was an
amazing process to see him go from that kid that
had that desire. But again, had I not had my
experiences exactly, it was I was able to tap into

(01:21:17):
something in me to be able to help him to
get to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
You know, watching you train him was like watching you
train your young self.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
It was power.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
I knew what was going on. It was very powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
You gave that kid a lot of love and also firmness. Yeah,
you let him know what's right, because you're like me,
If you don't want to do it, it's okay, Yeah,
we're cool, do you think, man? Yeah, but if you
want to be here, be here at five in the morning,
we're gonna get down.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah. Yeah. But again that's the subconscious, right, yeah, Like,
it's not him, it's a it's a it's it's something
that was put into him that he wasn't taught, was
put into him like it is for every other human
being walking around. Where it came from, what it consists of,
and how much it controls your life. And so I

(01:22:06):
never in my firmness, my firmness was to the subconscious.
My compassion was always to him, right. So, but there
are times, you know, that's the position people are putting
me into. It. They're putting me in a position to
get them to do something that they wouldn't do on
their own. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Any final thoughts for audience.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Brother, I just hope that people understand that this whole
concept of the subconscious, especially in a lot of the
people that you've helped, because they don't understand that voice
where it comes from, and that it's not their fault,

(01:22:50):
how much control over them it has, that they can
overcome it. I mean, it takes work, but once you
know something is there, it makes it somewhat easier to
learn how to gain control over it. And they need

(01:23:14):
to trust you. And unlike many other podcasts, the only
reason you're trying to do this podcast is because you're
trying to talk to people subconscious and get their hearts
to be the dominant voice that's in their head. And

(01:23:36):
once that happens, I mean, humanity, there's nothing you know,
like all this Republican Democrat, Russian American, this, all that ghost,
it's all gone. We're all one. We're all one. And
when you see somebody that needs help, you open your
hand and you don't see them as anything other than

(01:23:58):
your brother, your sister. That's what your podcast is about,
and that's why I wanted to do it. That's why
I agreed to do it, because that's who you are
as a human being. Oh, man, thank you, grateful for you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Wow, that was really sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
Yeah, you're sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
That's very kind. Fuck, dude, thank you. I'm just gonna
say thank you for being my friend and teacher and
making me a better human being.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yeah. No, I'll start doing my work.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
That's great. Wow to you, jes. The Sino Show is
a production of iHeart Podcasts, hosted by me Cina McFarlane,
produced by pod People in twenty eighth. Av Our lead
producer is Keith Carlack. Our executive producer is Lindsay Hoffman.
Marketing lead is Ashley Weaver. Thank you so much for listening.
We'll see you next week.

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