January 24, 2023 • 53 mins
On the same day he interviewed for the Arizona Cardinals HC job and just 48 hours removed from a heartbreaking 19-12 playoff loss in San Francisco, Dan Quinn joins Peter to discuss the magic that is Micah Parsons, leadership lessons he’s learned along the way, his favorite boxing match of all-time, and how he sees Philadelphia-San Francisco going down in the NFC Championship Game. Then, Ja’Marr Chase’s father, Jimmy Chase, joins Peter to discuss his son’s rise to stardom and what it’s like being the father of one of the greatest players in the NFL.
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The season with Peter Schreeger as a production of the
NFL in partnership with I Heart Radio. Yes, we're here.
It's Conference Championship Game weekend. Uh, this is it. We're
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down the four four teams. I'm Peter Schreeger. This is
the season with Peter Schreeger. We've had a blasto in
this podcast throughout the entirety of the season. We are
now at the end of the line. We got four
teams left. And I said it on Good Morning Football. Um,
I said, you've got three of the four teams from
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last year's conference championship game returning, and you've got another
team that won a Super Bowl in seventeen that still
has a lot of those guys on there. Like this,
there is no Cinderella left there. This is the cream
of the crop. Now, brock Party story could be Cinderella.
You could say that Jalen Hurts being a second round
quarterback is in Arella. But like, at the end of
the day, and these are not four best teams in football,
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and I think the Bengal showed on Sunday that they belong.
This isn't gonna be Hey, well, what if Josh Allen
had had a different deal. No, that was that was
a blowout. UM. I want to talk about the Bengals though,
because we're gonna have on a guest who's really close
to one of the Bengals players in a second, UM,
and we'll get into to what that's all about. But
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I just look at what Cincinnati did on Sunday and
it's like, is there a more underappreciated team over the
last two seasons than Cincinnati. Everyone was kind of hesitant
after last year, after they made this wild run and
they said, let's see you do it again. They start
of the season oh and two, Um, they lose games
to the Steelers and the Division and then they lose
to the Cowboys with Brock Purty and you're like, all right,
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so this is a typical story. Team goes to Super Bowl,
loses and then fails to get back. They've simply been
the best team in football the last two months. And
I love the salt and the vinegar out of their
coach Zach Taylor. After the game on on Sunday, they
asked Zach Taylor about it and he he you know,
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he had a really pithy response. He kind of apologized
or he did apologize to all the logistics makers um
around the league, and for those who had to worry
about the logistics of a coin toss and a neutral
field when the Bills play the Chiefs. Zach apologized to them, Um,
from the heart. It is tough because there they have
to formulate the plans for coin tosses, and they got
to formulate the plans for neutral site games, and we
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just keep screwing it up for everybody. And I hate
that for for the people that have to endure all
those logistical issues and then we just keep screwing it up.
So I'm sorry. He apologized to them because gosh, he
ruined their plans and he knows a lot of work
went into that. H I love that stuff. Lou and
a Rumo defensive coordinator, fifty year old dude from Staten
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Island coached all over the place. Was in Miami, but
before that, you know, coached and I think Harvard. He
was at a at Wagner, a college in Staten Island
before that. They've got the best defense in the league. Um,
and as far as adjustments go, they make them all
the time. They have now silenced not only uh Patrick Mahomes,
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but they've silenced Josh Allen in a playoff game and
and in the RUMO got zero head coaching interviews this
entire cycle. Zero. There are five coaching vacancies, not one
of them, not one of those teams. I thought it
might be wise to maybe pick the brain of the
defensive architect who has beaten Patrick Mahomes every time he's
faced him. UM in the NFL. Then just killed Josh
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Allen and Ken Dorsey's offense to ten points. All right,
So that's one guy. Then there's Brian Callahan, who we've
had on this podcast, the offensive coordinator of the Cincinnati
Bengals under forty years old. Has worked with everybody from
Peyton Manning to Tim Tebow. Has had success with both,
Um Matthew Stafford and Derek Carr has had success with both,
and now is with Joe Burrow. How many interviews did
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he get? He one head coaching interview, and it felt
like it was a it was almost like a nice
to have interview with the Indianapolis Colts. I have not
heard his name mentioned as a favorite for that job.
So you're telling me the defensive coordinator has zero interviews,
the offensive coordinator has one interview. No one's talking about
the work that their offensive line coach Frank Pollock is doing.
Nobody's talking about what their wide receivers coach Troy Walters
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is doing with all those young receivers and filling in
when Mr Chase went down. I think this team forget
about all the Allen and Mahomes stuff and how Burrow
was kind of dismissed all summer in the beginning of
the season as an overlooked quarterback. I think the coaching
staffs overlooked. I think every part of this team is overlooked.
I think when I say that, uh, you know, Joe
Burrow doesn't view himself as an underdog. I think it's
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fair to say that these these Bengals have been overlooked.
Now look at the breath of what they've done. An
f C Championship game last year, and what was Burrows
you know, first full season as the starter um and
then you go right back to it in year umber two,
and you do it with with all the departures on
the offensive line that everyone freaked out about, and then
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of course the additions that got hurt Um with Lyle
Collins and some man of the other guys that have
not been able to to stay on the field. I
just think the Bengals. The Bengals are a great story
and they might be the spoiler. They might be the
team that no one wanted to see in the ANC
Championship Game or nobody wanted to see in the Super Bowl.
But they're leaning into it disrespect all over. They don't
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get mentioned, and uh, I kind of like this whole
deal with them, and then you see the Chiefs and
you see it, and you look at what they did
last week, heroic win from Patrick Mahomes, but gosh, I'm concerned.
I have real concerns. He was hobbling around on that ankle,
and I'm worried that that was adrenaline and that was
all right. Just get through these next two quarters, find
a way to Willis to win. Bengals defense doesn't care.
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You'd think Eli Apple and Trey Hendrickson, are they gonna
be gonna be uh, you know, worried about mahomes ankle. No. So,
if anything, I think this game went from when it started,
you know, Sunday afternoon, around sick the clock, when we
saw who was playing, it went from like, all right,
chief should be favored. They're an arrowhead too, now I think,
I mean, I don't think it's crazy to say the
Bengle should be the favorites in this game. We'll see
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where it ends up, but I know things have been
shifting back and forth on that one. Either way, it's
a beautiful game. And there's this other storyline of Mahomes
being Owen three against Burrow that goes to Owen four.
That is not just some coincidence. That's not some trend.
That's a thing. And I don't think it's absurd to say, hey,
Burrow has Mahomes's number. I know quarterbacks don't face each
other one on one, but if one quarterback has team
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has won four games the other one is one zero
against each other, that becomes an actual storyline. And it
isn't just hot take stuff. That's the a f C,
the NFC. Are you ready for the hardest hitting game
of the season. Are you ready to see just smash
mouth football like we have not seen yet before. I
can't wait for it. I'm watching this this San Francisco
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defense just bubble dock and and bottle up everybody on
on Dallas. And then I'm watching the Eagles defense, know,
third most sacks in the history of a sport in
a season. Philadelphia Eagles absolutely manhandle the Giants, which who
are simmering, and then their offense just run all over
for two eighty something yards on the Giants like McCaffrey
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will see his health, but I know that McCaffrey used
check Elijah Mitchell. Behind that offensive line, they're gonna be
smashing the ball with Debo of course getting some touches.
And then the Eagles, what they showed was if Jalen
Hurts isn't gonna kill you with defeat, Miles Sanders, Will Boston,
Scott Will Gain, Will Will and those offensive linemen are
gonna be out there just pummeling dudes. Uh. I would
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pay a lot of money to just watch the trenches
on Sunday of that game. You're talking about Armstead bossa
Abu khon Um going up against you know the guys
that are that have been protecting Jalen Hurts all season.
That's my Alatta, That's Johnson, that's Kelsey. I love it.
I love it. If you're a purist, you might like
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Bengals chiefs Um because of the offense and the view.
But if you're a purist from a different era, you
might like the forty Niners and the Eagles because of
the smash mouth nature of it. Aaron Kaufman, my, my
wonderful producer, I got you on the mic if you're
to rank these two games as far as like, all right,
I need to get my popcorn. I need to be
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on the couch. You're obviously gonna watch both. Which one
to you right now? Are you like I have to
have to watch every snap in this game? I mean
the Bengals Bengals Kansas City because you know, as a
Buffalo fan, like wanting to be aware of the things
that we will constantly have to go up against, but
also like you were saying, I mean, uh, the Bengals,
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you know, have not been given the same hype that
Kansas City has and Buffalo was all season long. And
now I want to see how hurt my homes ankle is.
I want to see, you know, what what this offense
on Kansas City will look like when it's really just
Kelsey pushing it um and the way that Cincinnati was
able to shut down Stefon Diggs, Like what's gonna happen
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with Kelsey? So that's the one I'm most excited for.
I have like, in my mind kind of a dream
super Bowl matchup with the four remaining, But I'm most
excited for Cincinnati Kansas City. A right, give me a
super Bowl match up? What are we doing? Let's go
from like a narrative standpoint. I think it would be
amazing to have Kansas City San Francisco because you have
like the greatest quarterback of all time versus Mr Irrelevant.
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I think that would just be such a fun thing
to watch. Um. And no, way, you're talking about Mahomes,
what about Burrow? He looks like he might be this
tweet and you said the time good Morning football is Burrow? Like,
if you're starting a team right now, do you take
Burrow over my Homes? I still think Mahomes is like
the Michael Jordan's um. But yeah, either one, I mean
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I think either one. You're gonna have this incredible quarterback.
I think Burrow has maybe a better supporting cast right
now with Chase and Higgins, Um and the running backs.
I mean there's and Tyler Boyd Like, so yeah, I
think my dream match up, as much as I don't
want Kansas City winning, you know, to have a Kansas
City San Francisco matchup would just be amazing from the
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quarterback standpoint. And it's a rematch of the Super Bowl
from three years ago. We've seen it um pre COVID
that February that was the matchup. It was forty Niners
versus Chiefs for Shanahan and Kittle and and use Check
and all those boys who went in there, and they
just came up just short to my homes in that
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offense and Andy Reid. It would be fascinating to see
them get a rematch real quick around the horn stuff. Um.
I think the Bills are an interesting team to watch
right now. They had so much hype going to the season.
It was such an exhausting season. Um. To come up
short again the Visional round, I think is a great disappointment.
They didn't have enough. They just simply did not have
enough left in the tank. I think it was obvious
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if you watch the first ten minutes of that game.
Cincinnati went up and down the field. It was fourteen
nothing and that was all. She wrote. Fascinated to see
what becomes of them, because whether it was the nineties
Oilers that were always competitive with Warren Moon but never
got to the super Bowl, or it was some of
these other teams, uh in recent history. I remember, you know,
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the Saints of the Sean Payton era, the second half
of the Shawan Payon era, always in the playoffs, always
hosting playoff games, but never could get to the super Bowl.
Like is that the Bills or is this just another
chapter in Josh Allen's book where it's like he was
like Michael Jordan listening to the Pistons a few times
and had to just keep on chipping away, chipping away
until he finally broke through. I find the Bills fascinating.
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Tremaine Edmunds a free agent, Jordan's ployer is a free agent.
UM lots of turnover on the roster coming there. And
we'll see what happens with Buffalo, whether they can get
it all back together, because gosh, I feel like we
uh hype them to no end last offseason, and that
was a team that only made the divisional round. So
back to back divisional rounds, and if you look at
it over three year tracked, they went a f C
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championship game and they lost in a heartbreak in the
division around, and then they got blown out in the
division around. They're going backwards as much as it seems
like they're knocking on the door. They're going backwards. So
Buffalo is a wild team to watch. UM. As we
move forward, I think the coaching stuff is really interesting.
As we record this on a Tuesday, I imagine this
is the week we're gonna start getting some more news.
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But as of this recording, there are five head coaching
jobs open, none have been filled, and nine offensive coordinator
jobs open, none have been filled. So okay, Senior Bowls
a week away, you gotta get your staff together. Combines
in a few weeks away, you'd like to have your
staff together. Fascinating to see you know which Domino's drop
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and who goes where. Um. But I think even with
the offensive coordinator jobs, it's hard with all those positions
to zero in on a player or zero and on
an individual to be your offensive coordinator. When some of
these teams don't even know who their quarterback is. Like
Tampa fired Byron left Foot and everyone applauded that, like, yeah,
I was talking to who's their quarterback? We don't know
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if Brady's coming back. The Jets fired Michael Floor, who's
their quarterback? Who we're going with? Um, you go right
down the list to all these guys with the exception
of maybe Lamar in Baltimore and then Justin Herbert in
UH with the Chargers, and I guess whoever the Rams
higher Like, there's a bunch of unknowns at these quarterback
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positions too, so you can fire all the offensive coordinators
you want and blame them. Um, I don't know which
offensive coordinators are lining up for which job if they
don't know who the quarterback is coming in. Uh to
the opening week of training camp and all that we
do have this morning, Bill O'Brien, I saw that not surprising. Um,
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that's one of those deals where I don't think Belichick
was looking to go outside the box and hire a
name that he wasn't familiar with, for better or for worse.
He likes to know what he's got in Bill O'Brien,
his history with Belichick, and of course has history as
a head coach, and we'll see if he's the answer
uh the New England's offensive struggles. One last thing that
I wanted to hit. I always think the logistics of
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Championship game week is really interesting. So if you're not
aware what happens is all four teams and representatives from
their building two Arizona, the home super Bowl site, and
they do a full walkthrough, and they figure out where
their fans are gonna have their fan activation, they figure
out where the team hotel is gonna be, They set
up reservations for dinner for two weeks. It's it's one
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of the wildest things in sports that they go through
the entire process and it could all be for not um.
I know so many people in buildings who over the
years have done that trip, and it's it's you know,
in political campaign work, they call it advance work, Like
you go into okay, so there's a stump speech for
this political candidate. You go in a week in advance
and you make sure everything is set and the logistics
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are ready, and this hotel is this block of rooms,
and okay, here's a walkthrough, here's where the bus route
is gonna be. And you almost live the super Bowl
before you're actually living it. And so many teams, obviously
half every year, go through that process only to not
be able to live it out fully. Um, those folks
are doing that this week. I always wish them well
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because it's a superstitious thing where like you don't want
to get too excited and yet, gosh, you can taste it.
You're in Arizona. You're there, the weather is the same weather.
It's going to be Super Bowl week and you're actually
living in those shoes of a super Bowl team. Your
team just needs to take care of business. Um. We
have to really good guests today. The first one is
a major get. I'm excited about this. I asked him
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before this season if he'd be willing to come on.
He said, let's check in after the season. I want
to focus on ball. Um and he is now one
of the most coveted names in these head coaching searches.
He has coached in the Super Bowl, he was the
man behind the number two ranked defense in the entire NFL,
and he is a hell of a dude. Uh. Dan
Quinn is joining us after this. Our guest is one
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of the best coaches in football. He's taken a team
to the Super Bowl and and the last couple of
years has been the defensive coordinator the one of the
best units in the sport. He's got very busy week
ahead and we're so thrilled that he would take uh
some time to join the season with Peter Schreeger, one
of my favorite guys, d Q Dan Quinn, welcome of
the podcast. A couple of Jersey guys. They let us
on the podcast together. Look out, let's go, bro, Let's go.
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You and I. We love Jersey, we love boxing, we
love rage against the Machine, and we love defense. Uh,
your defense put together a wonderful season and another great
performance against the forty nine. Now that we're about forty
eight hours remove recording, this give us a diagnosis of
the season that was for the Dallas Cowboys defense. As
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you're kind of in the building right now and wondering,
all right, what was this season as a whole? Yeah,
because it's uh when you lose and you're just not
ready for it right when the season ends, there's a
hollowness that goes with that. But I would say probably, Um,
one of the things I'm most proud of of the
group is, uh the ability to create takeaway So it's
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been all the way since seventy three and seventy four
with the Steelers that a team went back to back
of leading the league and takeaways. And so, like I
told me, shild that's a long time. Guys, like that's
uh see how old I am like this? I was
born in nineteen seventies, So like, this is a big deal.
But we had a lot of fun of doing that.
And so that's a credit to the players, because like
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there's a reason that hasn't happened in back to back
years for a long time. They're hard to get and
so that really I was really proud of him for
for that, and to see the progress that the team
made from year one on defense into year two and
I see that happening again. But that if there was
one thing that I was super proud of. Man, it's
like those guys ability to create takeaways when people know
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you're coming, Um, that's a really big deal. And so
I was super proud of them for that. You know,
you've coached legends of the game when you were in Seattle,
of course when you're in Atlanta. This number eleven Michael Parsons.
I mean just from the naked eye, he's two pounds.
He's thrown around three twenty pound Mike McGlinchey. Um, what
do you see on a day to day basis, and
just what is the ceiling for this guy? Yeah, that's
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a great term. The he's so versatil Peter and that's
what makes him a unique player because he can be
at right end, left in line up, play backer and
so the ability to move around where just there's not
a lot of people that can do that. And um,
some of the very best of the best I've been
so exceptional that just you know, the one thing that
they do. And you know, when you look at Hall
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of Fames or you know, guys like Jason Taylor who
was just so damn exceptional right in and ripping it
every time and was so successful doing that at that
spot where Mica, you know, is so different. He's coming
from backer, he's playing d N and I think that
is his superpower. Bro. It's the speed that he can
beat you to the punch. But not everybody can be
in two spots to take a pass rusher and moving
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back to linebacker or move a linebacker moving down to
d N. That's the superpower for him. And uh So
when a guy has special traits like that, I think
that's our job as coaches to find ways to feature
him and utilize them, much like we do on offense. Hey,
this receiver can do other things we see, you know,
like just talking about Kyle's experience of running backs who
can play receivers, receivers who can play running backs, and
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so we just happen to have some safeties that can
play backers and some line backers that can play in
So I think there's a lot of good that comes
with guys who are really versatile, and um, that's one
of like the superpowers. He's a really good competitor. You
would like if you challenge him on something like you
better bring it. Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the spot.
And we do the Baldi's breakdowns here and we've got
all the NFL films footage. Give me one play from
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this season that just comes to mind. If you were
to look at the Micah Parsons experience and take us
through it, I would say we were playing Detroit in
a game here at home, and we had lost to
Philadelphia the week prior, and Uh, I remember pointing out
some plays in the game to say, I think you
can make that one and that one if you really
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really go And it just so happened Peter that the
very next week there was a screenplay and uh, he
just hauled ass and chased the tight end and made
a tackle like on the one inch line, and he
didn't know if he was going to make it or not.
He just had to go. And I think that was
the lesson to say you don't know when the play
is going to be because he stopped him that like
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the one inch line, and the next play to Marcus
Lawrence forced to fumble on the goal line play. So
it was like I was so happy that, like in
one moment, I got the show that's going for it
and even when you know you might not make it.
It had to be twenty five yards away, but he
said going anyway, and he went, and then it had
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to be reviewed. Was he in? Was he out? That
wasn't the point. The point was he went. So the
next play because of that run allowed to take away
to take place because the Marcus you know, made a
good play and hit him and bar recovered. I think
that's the sequence if there was one, you know me
like teaching, if there was one teaching example for this
season to say you never know when it's going to
be that play you just halass and then a few
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work goes. So that's that's the one, if I had
one to pick. You were in Seattle under Pete and
I remember going up to those practices and it was
like it was Lollafalooza every single day on that practice field,
and there was music rocking, and there was competition. And
then you'd get into the facility and there's a basketball
hoop everywhere you turn, and we're competing with you brought
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the competition, you know, with you from Seattle to Atlanta,
where I remember going to that building and Flowery Branch
and it was always rocking. How have you evolved from
being the Seattle coach to the Atlanta coach to now
what you can add from your Dallas experience to whatever's next? Yeah,
I think that's a great one. And so when I
left Atlanta, UM had some space to figure out what
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to do differently and what to do better. And so
into those moments when you get let go, it's a
lonely spot. So you want to dig in to say
what's different and how can I, you know, make sure
if there was a mistake made or something that was good,
that you either continue to do that or stop do
that and do it differently. And so that alone, coming
here to Dallas has allowed me to say this is
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some things I would do differently. And the competition is
still front and center at where we go, but the
way we teach it the concepts that we can do,
and allowing that to take place at to me is
where it's at. So I definitely evolved from Seattle to
Atlanta and then these two years here in Dallas, Maan,
I've had a blast. I'll be able to try new things,
and it's really helped energize me to say, all right,
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that's a good way to go. And you know me
always like promoting leaderships. I'm proud of the group of
leaders that have become on this defense. I would say
probably I had to do more of the leading. They
weren't ready, they were just still feeling it out. And
then now you see more leaders emerge here to where
I was able to step back when some conflicts or
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problems arose to see how they'd handle it. And that,
to me is the very best. Teams I've been a
part of have been really strong in the locker room
together accountability problem solving, and this group is doing that,
and so that's really cool to see. One of the
things I love is talking to you about how you
prepare these teams for game day, and back in your
Atlanta days, I know from those players there you would
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often lean on the sweet science. You would go to
boxing matches from yesteryear and you would show them and
tell them the story of the match and say, right,
here's Hector Camacho, here's his story. Where here's Roy Jones Jr.
Here's what he had going on going into this match. Um,
the boxing and football parallels. I think it's important and
I love it. Take us through that a little bit
and what a what a library of knowledge you are
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when it comes to the sweet science. Yeah, I absolutely
love it. And I think in both sports you better
expect adversity to happen because it is going to be there.
Whatever you have your game plan on offense or defense
or teams, like, there's gonna be some changes that go.
You're gonna have to get your ass up off the
mat one time, like you didn't keep your hands up.
You know, you got complacent, you got lazy, you lost focus.
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There's all the stories that can go. And then at
the end of it, when your preparation is just right
and you cannot wait for the fight, you can't wait
because like you've put the work in so now at
this point, I'm no longer really thinking about you. I'm
thinking about how I'm gonna come attack you, and so
that to me was where it was at. Always there
was a game plan for every fight or going into
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a fight, but knowing that that is going to have
to adjust. And when players recognize that, Peter, I think
that's important to say, this is the plan, and if
they do something different, we'll adjust. And this group on
defense here has done that because Okay, if they didn't
want to, you know, let Parsons, you know, chip and
go like, this is how we're gonna have to attack.
If they want to run more screens, this is how
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we're gonna have to play. And so knowing that it's
adjustable and that's a really powerful tool for a ballplayer
to say it may not go exactly like we think,
but however they want to get it on, we'll be
ready for that. And uh, that's why I love using
those analogies because there's always a lesson, um that you
can find from boxing and apply it to our sport.
All right, but it quiz you real quick and get
you this is gonna be the hot take stuff, um,
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greatest heavyweight of all time? Is it a Lee or
do you have another name you want to throw in
the mix? Man? I mean from my era, I would
say Tyson, you know, on the one coming up, I
think I'm not mistaken. Prior to Buster Douglas, did anybody
even go past five rounds? No, it wasn't. I don't
think there's a single one. In fact, I think most
of them are within two rounds. Coming up as a
teenager into college, like that was the one. You know,
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like how exciting that was to see a fight. So
probably because it was that era of time of what
that felt like, that would be Um the one I
probably connected with the most Um. But I would say
at the end of it, Um from a middleweight, I
would say, like my two favorites like love the Four
Kings if you've watched that, yes documentary, but like seeing Haggler,
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seeing Hearns, like seeing Mary Leonard, Like those ones to me,
those are some of my favorites, like above all times.
So I'd say I'm still going with Tyson because of
our era or my era, and then pass that some
of the middleweights from that time we're really cool to watch. Well,
you mentioned Haggler and Hearns. Of course you have Duran
Leonard Um and then of course you have you know
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the Olympics where Leonard goes off and then and then
they fight again in the Olympics. Your favorite fight of
all time. If you were to say, you can watch
any fight on a fight pass and put it on
right now, we're watching a boxing matchic could be anything,
could be. Do you want to talk about Prince n Sima? Men?
We can watch him? Who are you going with? If
we're watching any fight in the history of boxing. If
I had to go out to Vegas, the fourteen year
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old version of me would like to be at Hagler
Herns and to see the piece of that, because when
you watch it, there is a element of like, this
is going so hard so fast, that like, no, no chance,
this is going you know, twelve rounds, let a little
fifteen rounds. I would say, if I had to pick one,
that probably would have been one. I remember taping it
as a kid on my BHS and then put it
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back in to watch it again and just seeing that
look at intensity and uh so I love obviously both
Haggler and Hers, so to see both of them go
um from the Motor City Cobra to marvelous Marvin Hagler,
like those two totally, who are two that I looked
up to? Um at all times. Now, Look, I know
you're not getting into media anytime soon. You've got a
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lot of coaching left to do. But if I was
to put you on the spot and say, you face
the Eagles twice this year, you faced Kyle the last
two years in the playoffs, what is something that you,
as a defensive coordinator would be watching if it's Eagles
And I know the sore might be a little too
fresh or the wound might be a little too fresh
coming off a Sunday, But just from an objective standpoint,
knowing these teams inside and out, knowing these coaches inside
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and out, what's something that your I immediately looks at
as far as a matchup goes, or maybe what you
would be keying in on for this game? Right? I
think Peter on this team, both of them are really
going to be like third down is going to be
the thing because both teams, You're not gonna have thirteen
possessions in this game. Both teams can run it and
play pass and possess it. So when it gets to
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that third down, who can answer in Philadelphia's pass rush
is just excellent. So if San Francisco can live in
the third and ones and third and twos and threes
and fours, that to me would make all the difference
in the same thing on the Philadelphia side, you know,
if they can live in third and ones, twos and
threes and not let some of the guys ripping off
the edge. So I think whoever is most effective on
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the early downs to play third down into the smaller
amounts will neutralize both teams biggest strength. And they've really
got rush ability of Philadelphia and San Francisco. So if
you can play that third down into some smaller windows, Peter,
that to me is going to be the key. Because
this is not going to be a I said this
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this one might be this one. It's not gonna be pretty.
I said, I would pay top dollar like I would
for Haggler hearns just to watch the trenches alone, and uh,
both lines are excellent and just the ability of these
guys are creative in different ways of how they utilized
you know, the run game. And so we're San Francisco,
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it's a you know, it's Febo at backfield, it's McCaffrey
back there, it's perimeter stuff, it's pin and pull. And
with Philadelphia it's the utilization potentially of the quarterback of
could be a run, could be a key, could throw
it to the flat. So he's kind of a triple
threat where San Francisco is going to be exceptional at
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some of the explosive plays where they can block you
up and take your shots downfield, but it looks like
a run. Let's say neither team is going to get
back into a lot of dropback. I would say there's
gonna be a lot of runs and a lot of
play passes. And you're right, I see this being a
really close game. I can't wait last question, And I
appreciate you so much knowing how busy you are. A
bunch of teams looking for their next head coach, looking
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for any sort of leader in the building. I always
asked this to coaches and general managers on interview on
the show. Leadership to you means what I would say,
It's a really making the tough decisions, you know, and
when those come up, being really strong and convicted onto those,
because when you're a leader, not all of them are
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going to be popular, you know, and you're gonna have
to make some tough ones that are going to be there.
But I think for me, some people talk about culture
a lot. You've heard that thing a lot, and I
think culture and environment are different things. Like I'm upbeat,
So you talked about the music and the energy and
the competition, But like the thing about the culture there
in Seattle in Atlanta was competition. Breeds that the music
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was good, we were losing. But at the end of
the day, you better compete and do it every single day.
And so when that is things that you live by here,
I think that's where culture and your leadership can show through.
Really being the example every day. And guys who are
out in front, who lead, especially as a head coach
or a general manager, Uh, you better embrace that being
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out in front and making the tough decisions when you
have to say this is how we're gonna go get
it on and do it, and here's why, and uh
then you let it rip. One of my favorite slogans
that you gave and I'm sure you took it from
somewhere else and maybe from the Navy Seals or whatever
it was, but obviously after the Super Bowl loss, you said,
embrace the suck. And I've heard a lot of teams
us that since I've heard a lot of coaches us
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that since I think there's something to it, and I
think everyone and not just football in life. If you
can look at adversity in the face and say, Okay,
this is happening. I've got to embrace the suck and
move on it. I think there's a lot of strength
in that as well. Yeah, because it's not you don't
blame it, you know, don't. It's kind of like your
either warrior. You're gonna be the victim here, and if
you're gonna be the warrior, then you go after it
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to say I'm gonna enjoy this fight and it's gonna
be hard, but I'm gonna do it. And if you're
the victim, then it's too easy. You know. We don't
have enough players, are too many injuries. You know, bal
didn't bounce our way like hell with that. So it's
really how you choose to fight for it. And when
you take on that that mindset, I just think it
can carry over into so many parts of your life
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when hey, this is worth fighting for it. I'm gonna
fight my ass off for it, whatever it takes. It takes.
You got me ready to run through a wall. Dan Quinn,
Thank you, bro. I know you're busy this week. This
means the world to me. Congrats on another great season
and uh, congrats with whatever comes in the future. All right, lifetime,
I respect my brother. I love you, dude. Thank you
Dan Quinn amazing as always. Uh. D Q is an
(31:57):
all time leader and an all time good guy, and
gosh are we lucky to have him on the podcast.
All right, guys more after this. Alright. So last year,
I'm at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles and I'm
in one of these awesome seats because I worked for
the NFL Network and they hooked me up with these
great tickets and I've got like fifty yard line dream
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come true. I'm next to my wife and next to
Kyle Bram next to his wife, and we're watching this
Rams Bengals game and it's an all time classic. And
I look behind me and there's a really good looking
dude in a number one Jamaar Chase jersey, and he's
cheering for the Bengals hard time out comes along. I
make eye contact with them, introduce himself, says I'm Jimmy Chase,
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Jamaar Chase's father on my podcast right now on this season.
I'm so excited to have him. Jimmy Chase, Welcome to
the podcast. I'm doing great. Jimmy and I have been
texting over the last twelve months because I find his
insights on football awesome and I think he is a
great ambassador of not only UH the NFL, but also
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his son and his Bengals team journey. Jimmy, were you
in Buffalo last week? If so, what was the atmosphere
and what was it like wearing a Bengals jersey in
that building? It was crazy? Yes, I was in Buffalo. Okay.
It was a stressful game for me because I flew
in the day of right and they had a snow
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store in Cincinnati and I almost missed a game, so
I was having a connection. I've never been late for
a game. I was late for the game. Really. Yeah,
Jamal has scored his first touchdown before I got to
my seat. You weren't even there that first drive when
they go right down the field. No, I was on
the way watching it on the phone. But uh, there
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were panned out. It was great. It was great. Yeah,
it was great. I think a lot of people thought
Buffalo would have all the emotion and be able to
go and then right away two touchdowns in a row
and Cincinnati establishes themselves. I started off this podcast Jimmy
talking about how this Bengals team, though celebrated, it's often
overlooked as a father of one of the star players.
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Do you feel that as well, that maybe we in
the media and maybe the NFL as a whole start
showcasing some different teams and different players more than maybe
those boys in Cincinnati. Well, uh, I guess you can
see that, you know, But to me from where I'm
sitting there, it looks like the people that know football knows. Yeah,
(34:37):
you've got some bandwagon reporters and then you've got some
real reporters who, like you know, stick and stay on,
didn't know what the real deal is. So you know,
I take all of that and stride and I know
who's who and I know what's what now. Obviously, your
son and Joe Burrow go back a long way, but
there was a great photo after the Super Bowl of
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you and Joe's dad, and I think it was after
the a f C Championship game that it got through.
In tuer Bowl, you and U Joe Burrows father both
ooking cigars after your sons took care of business and arrowhead.
I love this. What's the relationship amongst all the fathers
of these players, as you guys all have now created relationship,
especially you and Joe's dad going back to l s U. Yeah, well,
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you know, like the parents, we see each other all
the time, you know, like your parents are really hands
on with the kids. You know. So we're at the game,
we're at the tell gat. You know, we might see
him here and might see him there. You know, me
and Joe daddy Jimmy were kind of connected by the hip.
Now you know, it's like, look like we're gonna be
doing this for a minute. So you know, we just
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take off and we're getting our cigars ready for this weekend. Yeah,
as you should. Um take us back to l s U.
Jamar's a top prospect coming out of New Orleans and
then they get this this transfer student coming from Ohio
State who couldn't get on the field of Ohio State.
What was your reaction? What was your overall reaction. L
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s U obviously is a big Louisiana school and here
comes this kid from Ohio. What was the reaction when
Joe Burrow stepped on campus For all of you guys, well,
it was an unknown factor. You know. I told Jamar,
you know, Jamar didn't want to go to l s U.
And it was like, like they got this guy, Joe Burrow,
He's coming in. He said, he's pretty good. Like there,
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I don't want to deal with that, dude, you know
what I'm saying. And I'm like, Jamal, we don't have
a choice. You know, like everybody knows that l s
U underutilize their receivers. Yeah, back then before that, right,
So I'm like, when you go to the league, people
are gonna know that you're pretty good because LSU did
news you in the right way. But then when Joe
(36:46):
and Jamar got there, LU changed that concept and you
know the rest is history. Yeah, uh bluetnic cough winner
and then obviously, uh he teams up with Justin Jefferson
and it's one of the most electric offenses of all
time Burrow. There are sixty touchdown passes that season. Jamar's
the recipient of a bunch of them. Uh. What special
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was that time at l s U and all those
guys were clicking and he got Patrick Queen on defense
and all the rest of the guys as they now
emerging our stars in the NFL. Man that year was
so crazy, Peter, you don't guess what the best part
of the season was. Practice? Okay, Yeah. I would go
to all the practice as well whenever I could, like
two times after week, right, And practice was like so
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intense with that team, like Jamore and Derek Stigley used
to fight every day and pct okay, and I'm hanging
out with Derek Stigley's dad, me and him standing next
to each other on the sideline and they break out
in the fight in front of us, right, so the
whole staff looking at me and him. I'm like, I'm
not fighting, like looking at it, right. But the practice
(37:52):
was intense. But that was that was a really good team.
Yeah it was. And then you go on this wild
ride and then the tomorrow takes off that year due
to COVID and says I'm gonna just wait this out.
That was tough. I'm sure for all you guys, knowing
what competitors you are. Was that year like the year
where Jamaar Chase did not play college football and waited
for the NFL draft the following season, that was really stressful.
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That was really stressful because Number one, uh Jamaar didn't
really want to opt out, right, and we had to
make some uh business decisions, you know. I told him
he needed to start thinking about his speech. He wasn't
really crazy about it, but he understood it in the end.
You know. Then after he was watching the games, he
(38:36):
was ready to go back to school. He's like, then
a boy the back here. I'm like, hold on, man,
wait a minute. You can't make an emotional decision like that, right,
Because he wanted to help his team so bad, right,
so he just started coaching him from the phone, would coach.
They would call him after every game. We were called
them before the game, so he was really coaching the team. Obviously,
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you're so tight with your son and you have served
as such a great mentor for him. That preseason. I'll
never forget he had three drops in a game or
a pray this, and everyone was ready to call Jamar
chase a bust. I don't think Jamar ever lost a
step of confidence. What were the conversations like with father
to son when the media started nitpicking every pass that
(39:17):
he was dropping During the summertime, they put me on
a band was MoMA and his agent took my phone
and he told me I couldn't see it, and I
was living. I was living. I'm still man with the
reporter that started because I know who it was, Okay,
but Cecinnati, the Cecinnati folks didn't know who Jamal was,
(39:38):
you know what I'm saying. And then they were so
used to like bad things happening to them and Cincinnati,
so they was just you know, waiting for the Bowl
and drop drop, you know, they took that at the
ran with it. But I was living. And then he
goes on and has the greatest season ever had by
a rookie in the NFL, a wide receiver, and that
that is Randy Moss, that is Justin Jefferson, that is
(40:00):
Odell Beckham. Now, US draft nicks and US guys who
followed the league said, wow, okay, he came out of
Were you at all surprised he came out of the
gates like he did and then tore up the league
the way he did in year one? Well, you know,
as a father, right, the people have been telling you this,
like he could be this, he could be that. You know,
first they said he was a top five pick, and
(40:22):
I was like, okay, yeah, all right. Then they said
he could be you know, you take over the league.
And I was like, yeah, okay, all right, you know
that's my son. Right then Chris Carter. I heard Chris
Carter say on the NFL network that Jamara was the
best rookie ever. And then when Chris Carter say it,
I had to take a step back and like he
(40:43):
knows when he's talking about you got your validation there.
I'm dying to meet him so I could thank him
because he was the first one to see it, right
then Randy Moss saying it right, and then when those
two guys said it, I was like, wow, yeah, it's
really really I started off this podcast talking about out
(41:07):
how they you know, the defensive coordinators got no head
coaching interviews all season. It was Alan or Mahomes, Alan
or Mahomes. Here's Burrow And then of course you've got
this game this week and it's all about Mahomes. Ankle Um,
what's the feeling amongst Bengals fans as you guys have
beaten Mahomes and Andy read the last three times you
face them. Well, they're they're pretty confident. They're pretty confident,
(41:30):
you know. But as a former football player and as
as a competitor. I know it's not going to be
a kate walker. You know, we're going to you know,
we play in the jungle, and they're really about to
go into a jungle in Kansas City because they're I know,
they're waiting on the Bankers, you know. So it's gonna
be a tough match. But the Bengal has been doing it.
They've been pulling it out, and like we have all
(41:51):
the confidence in the world. They gotta they gotta stop us.
That's the that's the sentiment with the bank They got
to stop us. Jamaar has been an amazing college and
pro player. When did you first know that your son
was special as a ball player. I knew he was
special way back in uh middle league, right one, right,
(42:14):
But I always wanted to see how special he was, right,
So I was always looking for him to go against
the top competition. So as we progressed through high school
and stuff like that, and you know, no one could
press him one on one. So I would always come
up with the skip. But that guy wasn't that good.
(42:35):
They said he was good, but he wasn't. Like, let's
see somebody else, and then he would get that guy
and I was like, but he wasn't that good either,
Let's see somebody else. And then the next thing I
know was like when he went to l s U.
He went through all the top corners that C. J. Henderson,
h A. J. Terrell, a couple of other guys. Was
it was a lot of cornerbacks. Certan in Alabama Certan right,
(42:58):
dig right? We did everybody that year except the guy
okafor at Ohio State and yeah, Okola, Yeah, that's why
I wanted him to go against But he paid out
pretty good against all the cornerbacks. So that's when I
knew you might be a little special. Take us through
draft night. You guys are sitting there, there's talks of
(43:19):
either Penas Sewell or Jamaar Chase going to Cincinnati. We
know Joe Burrows there and we have since heard that
Burrow kind of gave Zach Teller that had not and said, yeah,
if you can get me my guy, that would be
really appreciated. When did you know Cincinnati and what was
your reaction when he was selected. We kind of always
knew it was gonna be hard for Cescinnati to pass
a month. You know, Jamart told me you said that
(43:42):
if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill. I'm like,
slow it down something I don't know. I mean, I
like NFL Sunday, I like Joe, but this is Cincinnati,
you know what I'm saying. Like that, I'm just telling
you that if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill,
you know. And then Draft night come and they got
a lot of you know, a lot of things go
on before the pack, right, so it was Miami, Atlanta
(44:06):
and Delphia. It was a lot of teams in the mix.
And then when Cecinnati came, it was like it was
a bit of a relief. But Jamal was pretty happy
with that. He's got happy to get back with Joke
and it's been great ever since. Uh. In closing, there
are a lot of you know, fathers who are listening
to this podcast, fans of the NFL. Would be your
(44:28):
one piece of wisdom. If their dreams are to see
their kid excel at the highest level. How do you
be a father that isn't so involved that he turns
his kid off from the game, But then it's also
involved just enough to be the perfect support system while
he makes his rise to the league. But you have
to know your kid, right, you know how to motivate him.
You got to know how he takes, you know, and
(44:49):
you gotta give and take. You can't be hold on him.
You know. I'm the holders on Jama in anybody. Yeah,
I give a book, but I'm the only one that
tells him no, right, No, I had to. I'm a
I'm a counselor by trade, a social work. Okay, I
kind of like play a psychological game with him or them,
(45:13):
you know, And a lot of things I did with
your mom he didn't understand. And then that's why I
don't know if you've seen the tape that I did
on draft night where uh, they asked us to do
a tape to talk to you something telling congratulations, and
I did a little thing on it and went viral
about I was so proud of him, and he did
all the things that I asked him to do. And
(45:35):
now he's a grown man. I have to let him go,
you know, win to hold him, win a folder. And
I had to give him the past because you know,
I used to write him hard. I let him know that,
you know, we're good. I gave him everything that I had,
and that's why you see him doing what he's doing
now because he has a lot of information, He has
(45:55):
a lot of support, and he has a lot of knowledge,
you know, even though you see he got it from
Joe Burrow, but I gave him to the first story.
H Jimmy, before I let you go, You'll be in
Arrowhead on Sunday. I imagine we'll be rocking that number
one Chase jersey. I'll be an our heat fright, you know,
(46:18):
missing any flights. You'll be the guy in the number
one jersey. Maybe smoking a cigar with Burrows dad after
the game. Huh, We're gonna smoke. We're gonna be smoking
after the game, especially when we went okay, good luck.
This weekend, I will be at super Bowl in Arizona.
We might be hanging out again. We might have another
definitely out this time. I appreciate you always. I love
(46:40):
our correspondence, I love our friendship. Uh, and I love
watching your son playing. It's a testament to you as
a father. Congratulations and all the great success. Well, I
just want to say one thing, Peter. I messed with
you because I love your passion and your knowledge for
the game. Right. I've seen you did a little piece
last week about Dallas in San Francisco. Right, I used
(47:00):
to be back in the days, and you were so
ampt up about that. I lived that, Okay, I lived it.
I was there like that was when football was football.
That was crazy. But I love your passion for the
game and I love yours. Dude. That is awesome. Good
luck this weekend. You're the man, Jimmy Chase. Jamar Chase
has pops and a quite a talent on his own. Jimmy,
(47:23):
thank you man for joining the season with Peter Shrek.
Thank you, thank you so much for help. Good luck
this weekend, Jimmy Chase. Awesome guest. Thanks Jimmy. Let's get
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That spread is about Mahomes's ankle and Mahomes's ankle only.
I think if Mahomes's ankle is healthy, that's a three
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knows what we're getting with Mahomes. And this is why
this week is so important. You get these bets in
on Tuesday, you start breaking it down on Tuesday. It's
very different than what we might have on Saturday. Um,
(48:27):
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and good idea based on whether he practices during the week,
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(49:12):
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Meaning the scrutiny on this ankle is going to be
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reporters are gonna be focused on this ankle. So if
I'm looking at Mahomes, and I'm looking at him last week,
and like I said earlier, I think pure adrenaline was
(49:32):
a lot of that thing, and Henny did a great
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(50:16):
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Quinn awesome as always. Good luck to him and his
head coaching interviews, and uh, if he's on that Dallas
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sideline next year, watch out, they'll be back. And if
he's somewhere else, will say we knew you win. Uh.
And Jimmy Chase Jamaar Chase's father. Awesome guy, great perspective
and a huge, huge football fan. We know he'll be
in Kansas City rocking with those Bengals on Sunday. Guys,
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It's Conference Championship Game weekend. Uh, this is it. We're
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down the four four teams. I'm Peter Schreeger. This is
the season with Peter Schreeger. We've had a blasto in
this podcast throughout the entirety of the season. We are
now at the end of the line. We got four
teams left. And I said it on Good Morning Football. Um,
I said, you've got three of the four teams from
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last year's conference championship game returning, and you've got another
team that won a Super Bowl in seventeen that still
has a lot of those guys on there. Like this,
there is no Cinderella left there. This is the cream
of the crop. Now, brock Party story could be Cinderella.
You could say that Jalen Hurts being a second round
quarterback is in Arella. But like, at the end of
the day, and these are not four best teams in football,
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and I think the Bengal showed on Sunday that they belong.
This isn't gonna be Hey, well, what if Josh Allen
had had a different deal. No, that was that was
a blowout. UM. I want to talk about the Bengals though,
because we're gonna have on a guest who's really close
to one of the Bengals players in a second, UM,
and we'll get into to what that's all about. But
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I just look at what Cincinnati did on Sunday and
it's like, is there a more underappreciated team over the
last two seasons than Cincinnati. Everyone was kind of hesitant
after last year, after they made this wild run and
they said, let's see you do it again. They start
of the season oh and two, Um, they lose games
to the Steelers and the Division and then they lose
to the Cowboys with Brock Purty and you're like, all right,
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so this is a typical story. Team goes to Super Bowl,
loses and then fails to get back. They've simply been
the best team in football the last two months. And
I love the salt and the vinegar out of their
coach Zach Taylor. After the game on on Sunday, they
asked Zach Taylor about it and he he you know,
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he had a really pithy response. He kind of apologized
or he did apologize to all the logistics makers um
around the league, and for those who had to worry
about the logistics of a coin toss and a neutral
field when the Bills play the Chiefs. Zach apologized to them, Um,
from the heart. It is tough because there they have
to formulate the plans for coin tosses, and they got
to formulate the plans for neutral site games, and we
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just keep screwing it up for everybody. And I hate
that for for the people that have to endure all
those logistical issues and then we just keep screwing it up.
So I'm sorry. He apologized to them because gosh, he
ruined their plans and he knows a lot of work
went into that. H I love that stuff. Lou and
a Rumo defensive coordinator, fifty year old dude from Staten
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Island coached all over the place. Was in Miami, but
before that, you know, coached and I think Harvard. He
was at a at Wagner, a college in Staten Island
before that. They've got the best defense in the league. Um,
and as far as adjustments go, they make them all
the time. They have now silenced not only uh Patrick Mahomes,
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but they've silenced Josh Allen in a playoff game and
and in the RUMO got zero head coaching interviews this
entire cycle. Zero. There are five coaching vacancies, not one
of them, not one of those teams. I thought it
might be wise to maybe pick the brain of the
defensive architect who has beaten Patrick Mahomes every time he's
faced him. UM in the NFL. Then just killed Josh
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Allen and Ken Dorsey's offense to ten points. All right,
So that's one guy. Then there's Brian Callahan, who we've
had on this podcast, the offensive coordinator of the Cincinnati
Bengals under forty years old. Has worked with everybody from
Peyton Manning to Tim Tebow. Has had success with both,
Um Matthew Stafford and Derek Carr has had success with both,
and now is with Joe Burrow. How many interviews did
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he get? He one head coaching interview, and it felt
like it was a it was almost like a nice
to have interview with the Indianapolis Colts. I have not
heard his name mentioned as a favorite for that job.
So you're telling me the defensive coordinator has zero interviews,
the offensive coordinator has one interview. No one's talking about
the work that their offensive line coach Frank Pollock is doing.
Nobody's talking about what their wide receivers coach Troy Walters
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is doing with all those young receivers and filling in
when Mr Chase went down. I think this team forget
about all the Allen and Mahomes stuff and how Burrow
was kind of dismissed all summer in the beginning of
the season as an overlooked quarterback. I think the coaching
staffs overlooked. I think every part of this team is overlooked.
I think when I say that, uh, you know, Joe
Burrow doesn't view himself as an underdog. I think it's
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fair to say that these these Bengals have been overlooked.
Now look at the breath of what they've done. An
f C Championship game last year, and what was Burrows
you know, first full season as the starter um and
then you go right back to it in year umber two,
and you do it with with all the departures on
the offensive line that everyone freaked out about, and then
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of course the additions that got hurt Um with Lyle
Collins and some man of the other guys that have
not been able to to stay on the field. I
just think the Bengals. The Bengals are a great story
and they might be the spoiler. They might be the
team that no one wanted to see in the ANC
Championship Game or nobody wanted to see in the Super Bowl.
But they're leaning into it disrespect all over. They don't
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get mentioned, and uh, I kind of like this whole
deal with them, and then you see the Chiefs and
you see it, and you look at what they did
last week, heroic win from Patrick Mahomes, but gosh, I'm concerned.
I have real concerns. He was hobbling around on that ankle,
and I'm worried that that was adrenaline and that was
all right. Just get through these next two quarters, find
a way to Willis to win. Bengals defense doesn't care.
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You'd think Eli Apple and Trey Hendrickson, are they gonna
be gonna be uh, you know, worried about mahomes ankle. No. So,
if anything, I think this game went from when it started,
you know, Sunday afternoon, around sick the clock, when we
saw who was playing, it went from like, all right,
chief should be favored. They're an arrowhead too, now I think,
I mean, I don't think it's crazy to say the
Bengle should be the favorites in this game. We'll see
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where it ends up, but I know things have been
shifting back and forth on that one. Either way, it's
a beautiful game. And there's this other storyline of Mahomes
being Owen three against Burrow that goes to Owen four.
That is not just some coincidence. That's not some trend.
That's a thing. And I don't think it's absurd to say, hey,
Burrow has Mahomes's number. I know quarterbacks don't face each
other one on one, but if one quarterback has team
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has won four games the other one is one zero
against each other, that becomes an actual storyline. And it
isn't just hot take stuff. That's the a f C,
the NFC. Are you ready for the hardest hitting game
of the season. Are you ready to see just smash
mouth football like we have not seen yet before. I
can't wait for it. I'm watching this this San Francisco
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defense just bubble dock and and bottle up everybody on
on Dallas. And then I'm watching the Eagles defense, know,
third most sacks in the history of a sport in
a season. Philadelphia Eagles absolutely manhandle the Giants, which who
are simmering, and then their offense just run all over
for two eighty something yards on the Giants like McCaffrey
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will see his health, but I know that McCaffrey used
check Elijah Mitchell. Behind that offensive line, they're gonna be
smashing the ball with Debo of course getting some touches.
And then the Eagles, what they showed was if Jalen
Hurts isn't gonna kill you with defeat, Miles Sanders, Will Boston,
Scott Will Gain, Will Will and those offensive linemen are
gonna be out there just pummeling dudes. Uh. I would
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pay a lot of money to just watch the trenches
on Sunday of that game. You're talking about Armstead bossa
Abu khon Um going up against you know the guys
that are that have been protecting Jalen Hurts all season.
That's my Alatta, That's Johnson, that's Kelsey. I love it.
I love it. If you're a purist, you might like
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Bengals chiefs Um because of the offense and the view.
But if you're a purist from a different era, you
might like the forty Niners and the Eagles because of
the smash mouth nature of it. Aaron Kaufman, my, my
wonderful producer, I got you on the mic if you're
to rank these two games as far as like, all right,
I need to get my popcorn. I need to be
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on the couch. You're obviously gonna watch both. Which one
to you right now? Are you like I have to
have to watch every snap in this game? I mean
the Bengals Bengals Kansas City because you know, as a
Buffalo fan, like wanting to be aware of the things
that we will constantly have to go up against, but
also like you were saying, I mean, uh, the Bengals,
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you know, have not been given the same hype that
Kansas City has and Buffalo was all season long. And
now I want to see how hurt my homes ankle is.
I want to see, you know, what what this offense
on Kansas City will look like when it's really just
Kelsey pushing it um and the way that Cincinnati was
able to shut down Stefon Diggs, Like what's gonna happen
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with Kelsey? So that's the one I'm most excited for.
I have like, in my mind kind of a dream
super Bowl matchup with the four remaining, But I'm most
excited for Cincinnati Kansas City. A right, give me a
super Bowl match up? What are we doing? Let's go
from like a narrative standpoint. I think it would be
amazing to have Kansas City San Francisco because you have
like the greatest quarterback of all time versus Mr Irrelevant.
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I think that would just be such a fun thing
to watch. Um. And no, way, you're talking about Mahomes,
what about Burrow? He looks like he might be this
tweet and you said the time good Morning football is Burrow? Like,
if you're starting a team right now, do you take
Burrow over my Homes? I still think Mahomes is like
the Michael Jordan's um. But yeah, either one, I mean
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I think either one. You're gonna have this incredible quarterback.
I think Burrow has maybe a better supporting cast right
now with Chase and Higgins, Um and the running backs.
I mean there's and Tyler Boyd Like, so yeah, I
think my dream match up, as much as I don't
want Kansas City winning, you know, to have a Kansas
City San Francisco matchup would just be amazing from the
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quarterback standpoint. And it's a rematch of the Super Bowl
from three years ago. We've seen it um pre COVID
that February that was the matchup. It was forty Niners
versus Chiefs for Shanahan and Kittle and and use Check
and all those boys who went in there, and they
just came up just short to my homes in that
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offense and Andy Reid. It would be fascinating to see
them get a rematch real quick around the horn stuff. Um.
I think the Bills are an interesting team to watch
right now. They had so much hype going to the season.
It was such an exhausting season. Um. To come up
short again the Visional round, I think is a great disappointment.
They didn't have enough. They just simply did not have
enough left in the tank. I think it was obvious
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if you watch the first ten minutes of that game.
Cincinnati went up and down the field. It was fourteen
nothing and that was all. She wrote. Fascinated to see
what becomes of them, because whether it was the nineties
Oilers that were always competitive with Warren Moon but never
got to the super Bowl, or it was some of
these other teams, uh in recent history. I remember, you know,
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the Saints of the Sean Payton era, the second half
of the Shawan Payon era, always in the playoffs, always
hosting playoff games, but never could get to the super Bowl.
Like is that the Bills or is this just another
chapter in Josh Allen's book where it's like he was
like Michael Jordan listening to the Pistons a few times
and had to just keep on chipping away, chipping away
until he finally broke through. I find the Bills fascinating.
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Tremaine Edmunds a free agent, Jordan's ployer is a free agent.
UM lots of turnover on the roster coming there. And
we'll see what happens with Buffalo, whether they can get
it all back together, because gosh, I feel like we
uh hype them to no end last offseason, and that
was a team that only made the divisional round. So
back to back divisional rounds, and if you look at
it over three year tracked, they went a f C
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championship game and they lost in a heartbreak in the
division around, and then they got blown out in the
division around. They're going backwards as much as it seems
like they're knocking on the door. They're going backwards. So
Buffalo is a wild team to watch. UM. As we
move forward, I think the coaching stuff is really interesting.
As we record this on a Tuesday, I imagine this
is the week we're gonna start getting some more news.
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But as of this recording, there are five head coaching
jobs open, none have been filled, and nine offensive coordinator
jobs open, none have been filled. So okay, Senior Bowls
a week away, you gotta get your staff together. Combines
in a few weeks away, you'd like to have your
staff together. Fascinating to see you know which Domino's drop
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and who goes where. Um. But I think even with
the offensive coordinator jobs, it's hard with all those positions
to zero in on a player or zero and on
an individual to be your offensive coordinator. When some of
these teams don't even know who their quarterback is. Like
Tampa fired Byron left Foot and everyone applauded that, like, yeah,
I was talking to who's their quarterback? We don't know
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if Brady's coming back. The Jets fired Michael Floor, who's
their quarterback? Who we're going with? Um, you go right
down the list to all these guys with the exception
of maybe Lamar in Baltimore and then Justin Herbert in
UH with the Chargers, and I guess whoever the Rams
higher Like, there's a bunch of unknowns at these quarterback
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positions too, so you can fire all the offensive coordinators
you want and blame them. Um, I don't know which
offensive coordinators are lining up for which job if they
don't know who the quarterback is coming in. Uh to
the opening week of training camp and all that we
do have this morning, Bill O'Brien, I saw that not surprising. Um,
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that's one of those deals where I don't think Belichick
was looking to go outside the box and hire a
name that he wasn't familiar with, for better or for worse.
He likes to know what he's got in Bill O'Brien,
his history with Belichick, and of course has history as
a head coach, and we'll see if he's the answer
uh the New England's offensive struggles. One last thing that
I wanted to hit. I always think the logistics of
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Championship game week is really interesting. So if you're not
aware what happens is all four teams and representatives from
their building two Arizona, the home super Bowl site, and
they do a full walkthrough, and they figure out where
their fans are gonna have their fan activation, they figure
out where the team hotel is gonna be, They set
up reservations for dinner for two weeks. It's it's one
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of the wildest things in sports that they go through
the entire process and it could all be for not um.
I know so many people in buildings who over the
years have done that trip, and it's it's you know,
in political campaign work, they call it advance work, Like
you go into okay, so there's a stump speech for
this political candidate. You go in a week in advance
and you make sure everything is set and the logistics
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are ready, and this hotel is this block of rooms,
and okay, here's a walkthrough, here's where the bus route
is gonna be. And you almost live the super Bowl
before you're actually living it. And so many teams, obviously
half every year, go through that process only to not
be able to live it out fully. Um, those folks
are doing that this week. I always wish them well
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because it's a superstitious thing where like you don't want
to get too excited and yet, gosh, you can taste it.
You're in Arizona. You're there, the weather is the same weather.
It's going to be Super Bowl week and you're actually
living in those shoes of a super Bowl team. Your
team just needs to take care of business. Um. We
have to really good guests today. The first one is
a major get. I'm excited about this. I asked him
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before this season if he'd be willing to come on.
He said, let's check in after the season. I want
to focus on ball. Um and he is now one
of the most coveted names in these head coaching searches.
He has coached in the Super Bowl, he was the
man behind the number two ranked defense in the entire NFL,
and he is a hell of a dude. Uh. Dan
Quinn is joining us after this. Our guest is one
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of the best coaches in football. He's taken a team
to the Super Bowl and and the last couple of
years has been the defensive coordinator the one of the
best units in the sport. He's got very busy week
ahead and we're so thrilled that he would take uh
some time to join the season with Peter Schreeger, one
of my favorite guys, d Q Dan Quinn, welcome of
the podcast. A couple of Jersey guys. They let us
on the podcast together. Look out, let's go, bro, Let's go.
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You and I. We love Jersey, we love boxing, we
love rage against the Machine, and we love defense. Uh,
your defense put together a wonderful season and another great
performance against the forty nine. Now that we're about forty
eight hours remove recording, this give us a diagnosis of
the season that was for the Dallas Cowboys defense. As
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you're kind of in the building right now and wondering,
all right, what was this season as a whole? Yeah,
because it's uh when you lose and you're just not
ready for it right when the season ends, there's a
hollowness that goes with that. But I would say probably, Um,
one of the things I'm most proud of of the
group is, uh the ability to create takeaway So it's
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been all the way since seventy three and seventy four
with the Steelers that a team went back to back
of leading the league and takeaways. And so, like I
told me, shild that's a long time. Guys, like that's
uh see how old I am like this? I was
born in nineteen seventies, So like, this is a big deal.
But we had a lot of fun of doing that.
And so that's a credit to the players, because like
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there's a reason that hasn't happened in back to back
years for a long time. They're hard to get and
so that really I was really proud of him for
for that, and to see the progress that the team
made from year one on defense into year two and
I see that happening again. But that if there was
one thing that I was super proud of. Man, it's
like those guys ability to create takeaways when people know
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you're coming, Um, that's a really big deal. And so
I was super proud of them for that. You know,
you've coached legends of the game when you were in Seattle,
of course when you're in Atlanta. This number eleven Michael Parsons.
I mean just from the naked eye, he's two pounds.
He's thrown around three twenty pound Mike McGlinchey. Um, what
do you see on a day to day basis, and
just what is the ceiling for this guy? Yeah, that's
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a great term. The he's so versatil Peter and that's
what makes him a unique player because he can be
at right end, left in line up, play backer and
so the ability to move around where just there's not
a lot of people that can do that. And um,
some of the very best of the best I've been
so exceptional that just you know, the one thing that
they do. And you know, when you look at Hall
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of Fames or you know, guys like Jason Taylor who
was just so damn exceptional right in and ripping it
every time and was so successful doing that at that
spot where Mica, you know, is so different. He's coming
from backer, he's playing d N and I think that
is his superpower. Bro. It's the speed that he can
beat you to the punch. But not everybody can be
in two spots to take a pass rusher and moving
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back to linebacker or move a linebacker moving down to
d N. That's the superpower for him. And uh So
when a guy has special traits like that, I think
that's our job as coaches to find ways to feature
him and utilize them, much like we do on offense. Hey,
this receiver can do other things we see, you know,
like just talking about Kyle's experience of running backs who
can play receivers, receivers who can play running backs, and
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so we just happen to have some safeties that can
play backers and some line backers that can play in
So I think there's a lot of good that comes
with guys who are really versatile, and um, that's one
of like the superpowers. He's a really good competitor. You
would like if you challenge him on something like you
better bring it. Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the spot.
And we do the Baldi's breakdowns here and we've got
all the NFL films footage. Give me one play from
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this season that just comes to mind. If you were
to look at the Micah Parsons experience and take us
through it, I would say we were playing Detroit in
a game here at home, and we had lost to
Philadelphia the week prior, and Uh, I remember pointing out
some plays in the game to say, I think you
can make that one and that one if you really
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really go And it just so happened Peter that the
very next week there was a screenplay and uh, he
just hauled ass and chased the tight end and made
a tackle like on the one inch line, and he
didn't know if he was going to make it or not.
He just had to go. And I think that was
the lesson to say you don't know when the play
is going to be because he stopped him that like
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the one inch line, and the next play to Marcus
Lawrence forced to fumble on the goal line play. So
it was like I was so happy that, like in
one moment, I got the show that's going for it
and even when you know you might not make it.
It had to be twenty five yards away, but he
said going anyway, and he went, and then it had
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to be reviewed. Was he in? Was he out? That
wasn't the point. The point was he went. So the
next play because of that run allowed to take away
to take place because the Marcus you know, made a
good play and hit him and bar recovered. I think
that's the sequence if there was one, you know me
like teaching, if there was one teaching example for this
season to say you never know when it's going to
be that play you just halass and then a few
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work goes. So that's that's the one, if I had
one to pick. You were in Seattle under Pete and
I remember going up to those practices and it was
like it was Lollafalooza every single day on that practice field,
and there was music rocking, and there was competition. And
then you'd get into the facility and there's a basketball
hoop everywhere you turn, and we're competing with you brought
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the competition, you know, with you from Seattle to Atlanta,
where I remember going to that building and Flowery Branch
and it was always rocking. How have you evolved from
being the Seattle coach to the Atlanta coach to now
what you can add from your Dallas experience to whatever's next? Yeah,
I think that's a great one. And so when I
left Atlanta, UM had some space to figure out what
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to do differently and what to do better. And so
into those moments when you get let go, it's a
lonely spot. So you want to dig in to say
what's different and how can I, you know, make sure
if there was a mistake made or something that was good,
that you either continue to do that or stop do
that and do it differently. And so that alone, coming
here to Dallas has allowed me to say this is
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some things I would do differently. And the competition is
still front and center at where we go, but the
way we teach it the concepts that we can do,
and allowing that to take place at to me is
where it's at. So I definitely evolved from Seattle to
Atlanta and then these two years here in Dallas, Maan,
I've had a blast. I'll be able to try new things,
and it's really helped energize me to say, all right,
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that's a good way to go. And you know me
always like promoting leaderships. I'm proud of the group of
leaders that have become on this defense. I would say
probably I had to do more of the leading. They
weren't ready, they were just still feeling it out. And
then now you see more leaders emerge here to where
I was able to step back when some conflicts or
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problems arose to see how they'd handle it. And that,
to me is the very best. Teams I've been a
part of have been really strong in the locker room
together accountability problem solving, and this group is doing that,
and so that's really cool to see. One of the
things I love is talking to you about how you
prepare these teams for game day, and back in your
Atlanta days, I know from those players there you would
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often lean on the sweet science. You would go to
boxing matches from yesteryear and you would show them and
tell them the story of the match and say, right,
here's Hector Camacho, here's his story. Where here's Roy Jones Jr.
Here's what he had going on going into this match. Um,
the boxing and football parallels. I think it's important and
I love it. Take us through that a little bit
and what a what a library of knowledge you are
(23:21):
when it comes to the sweet science. Yeah, I absolutely
love it. And I think in both sports you better
expect adversity to happen because it is going to be there.
Whatever you have your game plan on offense or defense
or teams, like, there's gonna be some changes that go.
You're gonna have to get your ass up off the
mat one time, like you didn't keep your hands up.
You know, you got complacent, you got lazy, you lost focus.
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There's all the stories that can go. And then at
the end of it, when your preparation is just right
and you cannot wait for the fight, you can't wait
because like you've put the work in so now at
this point, I'm no longer really thinking about you. I'm
thinking about how I'm gonna come attack you, and so
that to me was where it was at. Always there
was a game plan for every fight or going into
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a fight, but knowing that that is going to have
to adjust. And when players recognize that, Peter, I think
that's important to say, this is the plan, and if
they do something different, we'll adjust. And this group on
defense here has done that because Okay, if they didn't
want to, you know, let Parsons, you know, chip and
go like, this is how we're gonna have to attack.
If they want to run more screens, this is how
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we're gonna have to play. And so knowing that it's
adjustable and that's a really powerful tool for a ballplayer
to say it may not go exactly like we think,
but however they want to get it on, we'll be
ready for that. And uh, that's why I love using
those analogies because there's always a lesson, um that you
can find from boxing and apply it to our sport.
All right, but it quiz you real quick and get
you this is gonna be the hot take stuff, um,
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greatest heavyweight of all time? Is it a Lee or
do you have another name you want to throw in
the mix? Man? I mean from my era, I would
say Tyson, you know, on the one coming up, I
think I'm not mistaken. Prior to Buster Douglas, did anybody
even go past five rounds? No, it wasn't. I don't
think there's a single one. In fact, I think most
of them are within two rounds. Coming up as a
teenager into college, like that was the one. You know,
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like how exciting that was to see a fight. So
probably because it was that era of time of what
that felt like, that would be Um the one I
probably connected with the most Um. But I would say
at the end of it, Um from a middleweight, I
would say, like my two favorites like love the Four
Kings if you've watched that, yes documentary, but like seeing Haggler,
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seeing Hearns, like seeing Mary Leonard, Like those ones to me,
those are some of my favorites, like above all times.
So I'd say I'm still going with Tyson because of
our era or my era, and then pass that some
of the middleweights from that time we're really cool to watch. Well,
you mentioned Haggler and Hearns. Of course you have Duran
Leonard Um and then of course you have you know
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the Olympics where Leonard goes off and then and then
they fight again in the Olympics. Your favorite fight of
all time. If you were to say, you can watch
any fight on a fight pass and put it on
right now, we're watching a boxing matchic could be anything,
could be. Do you want to talk about Prince n Sima? Men?
We can watch him? Who are you going with? If
we're watching any fight in the history of boxing. If
I had to go out to Vegas, the fourteen year
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old version of me would like to be at Hagler
Herns and to see the piece of that, because when
you watch it, there is a element of like, this
is going so hard so fast, that like, no, no chance,
this is going you know, twelve rounds, let a little
fifteen rounds. I would say, if I had to pick one,
that probably would have been one. I remember taping it
as a kid on my BHS and then put it
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back in to watch it again and just seeing that
look at intensity and uh so I love obviously both
Haggler and Hers, so to see both of them go
um from the Motor City Cobra to marvelous Marvin Hagler,
like those two totally, who are two that I looked
up to? Um at all times. Now, Look, I know
you're not getting into media anytime soon. You've got a
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lot of coaching left to do. But if I was
to put you on the spot and say, you face
the Eagles twice this year, you faced Kyle the last
two years in the playoffs, what is something that you,
as a defensive coordinator would be watching if it's Eagles
And I know the sore might be a little too
fresh or the wound might be a little too fresh
coming off a Sunday, But just from an objective standpoint,
knowing these teams inside and out, knowing these coaches inside
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and out, what's something that your I immediately looks at
as far as a matchup goes, or maybe what you
would be keying in on for this game? Right? I
think Peter on this team, both of them are really
going to be like third down is going to be
the thing because both teams, You're not gonna have thirteen
possessions in this game. Both teams can run it and
play pass and possess it. So when it gets to
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that third down, who can answer in Philadelphia's pass rush
is just excellent. So if San Francisco can live in
the third and ones and third and twos and threes
and fours, that to me would make all the difference
in the same thing on the Philadelphia side, you know,
if they can live in third and ones, twos and
threes and not let some of the guys ripping off
the edge. So I think whoever is most effective on
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the early downs to play third down into the smaller
amounts will neutralize both teams biggest strength. And they've really
got rush ability of Philadelphia and San Francisco. So if
you can play that third down into some smaller windows, Peter,
that to me is going to be the key. Because
this is not going to be a I said this
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this one might be this one. It's not gonna be pretty.
I said, I would pay top dollar like I would
for Haggler hearns just to watch the trenches alone, and uh,
both lines are excellent and just the ability of these
guys are creative in different ways of how they utilized
you know, the run game. And so we're San Francisco,
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it's a you know, it's Febo at backfield, it's McCaffrey
back there, it's perimeter stuff, it's pin and pull. And
with Philadelphia it's the utilization potentially of the quarterback of
could be a run, could be a key, could throw
it to the flat. So he's kind of a triple
threat where San Francisco is going to be exceptional at
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some of the explosive plays where they can block you
up and take your shots downfield, but it looks like
a run. Let's say neither team is going to get
back into a lot of dropback. I would say there's
gonna be a lot of runs and a lot of
play passes. And you're right, I see this being a
really close game. I can't wait last question, And I
appreciate you so much knowing how busy you are. A
bunch of teams looking for their next head coach, looking
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for any sort of leader in the building. I always
asked this to coaches and general managers on interview on
the show. Leadership to you means what I would say,
It's a really making the tough decisions, you know, and
when those come up, being really strong and convicted onto those,
because when you're a leader, not all of them are
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going to be popular, you know, and you're gonna have
to make some tough ones that are going to be there.
But I think for me, some people talk about culture
a lot. You've heard that thing a lot, and I
think culture and environment are different things. Like I'm upbeat,
So you talked about the music and the energy and
the competition, But like the thing about the culture there
in Seattle in Atlanta was competition. Breeds that the music
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was good, we were losing. But at the end of
the day, you better compete and do it every single day.
And so when that is things that you live by here,
I think that's where culture and your leadership can show through.
Really being the example every day. And guys who are
out in front, who lead, especially as a head coach
or a general manager, Uh, you better embrace that being
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out in front and making the tough decisions when you
have to say this is how we're gonna go get
it on and do it, and here's why, and uh
then you let it rip. One of my favorite slogans
that you gave and I'm sure you took it from
somewhere else and maybe from the Navy Seals or whatever
it was, but obviously after the Super Bowl loss, you said,
embrace the suck. And I've heard a lot of teams
us that since I've heard a lot of coaches us
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that since I think there's something to it, and I
think everyone and not just football in life. If you
can look at adversity in the face and say, Okay,
this is happening. I've got to embrace the suck and
move on it. I think there's a lot of strength
in that as well. Yeah, because it's not you don't
blame it, you know, don't. It's kind of like your
either warrior. You're gonna be the victim here, and if
you're gonna be the warrior, then you go after it
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to say I'm gonna enjoy this fight and it's gonna
be hard, but I'm gonna do it. And if you're
the victim, then it's too easy. You know. We don't
have enough players, are too many injuries. You know, bal
didn't bounce our way like hell with that. So it's
really how you choose to fight for it. And when
you take on that that mindset, I just think it
can carry over into so many parts of your life
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when hey, this is worth fighting for it. I'm gonna
fight my ass off for it, whatever it takes. It takes.
You got me ready to run through a wall. Dan Quinn,
Thank you, bro. I know you're busy this week. This
means the world to me. Congrats on another great season
and uh, congrats with whatever comes in the future. All right, lifetime,
I respect my brother. I love you, dude. Thank you
Dan Quinn amazing as always. Uh. D Q is an
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all time leader and an all time good guy, and
gosh are we lucky to have him on the podcast.
All right, guys more after this. Alright. So last year,
I'm at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles and I'm
in one of these awesome seats because I worked for
the NFL Network and they hooked me up with these
great tickets and I've got like fifty yard line dream
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come true. I'm next to my wife and next to
Kyle Bram next to his wife, and we're watching this
Rams Bengals game and it's an all time classic. And
I look behind me and there's a really good looking
dude in a number one Jamaar Chase jersey, and he's
cheering for the Bengals hard time out comes along. I
make eye contact with them, introduce himself, says I'm Jimmy Chase,
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Jamaar Chase's father on my podcast right now on this season.
I'm so excited to have him. Jimmy Chase, Welcome to
the podcast. I'm doing great. Jimmy and I have been
texting over the last twelve months because I find his
insights on football awesome and I think he is a
great ambassador of not only UH the NFL, but also
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his son and his Bengals team journey. Jimmy, were you
in Buffalo last week? If so, what was the atmosphere
and what was it like wearing a Bengals jersey in
that building? It was crazy? Yes, I was in Buffalo. Okay.
It was a stressful game for me because I flew
in the day of right and they had a snow
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store in Cincinnati and I almost missed a game, so
I was having a connection. I've never been late for
a game. I was late for the game. Really. Yeah,
Jamal has scored his first touchdown before I got to
my seat. You weren't even there that first drive when
they go right down the field. No, I was on
the way watching it on the phone. But uh, there
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were panned out. It was great. It was great. Yeah,
it was great. I think a lot of people thought
Buffalo would have all the emotion and be able to
go and then right away two touchdowns in a row
and Cincinnati establishes themselves. I started off this podcast Jimmy
talking about how this Bengals team, though celebrated, it's often
overlooked as a father of one of the star players.
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Do you feel that as well, that maybe we in
the media and maybe the NFL as a whole start
showcasing some different teams and different players more than maybe
those boys in Cincinnati. Well, uh, I guess you can
see that, you know, But to me from where I'm
sitting there, it looks like the people that know football knows. Yeah,
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you've got some bandwagon reporters and then you've got some
real reporters who, like you know, stick and stay on,
didn't know what the real deal is. So you know,
I take all of that and stride and I know
who's who and I know what's what now. Obviously, your
son and Joe Burrow go back a long way, but
there was a great photo after the Super Bowl of
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you and Joe's dad, and I think it was after
the a f C Championship game that it got through.
In tuer Bowl, you and U Joe Burrows father both
ooking cigars after your sons took care of business and arrowhead.
I love this. What's the relationship amongst all the fathers
of these players, as you guys all have now created relationship,
especially you and Joe's dad going back to l s U. Yeah, well,
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you know, like the parents, we see each other all
the time, you know, like your parents are really hands
on with the kids. You know. So we're at the game,
we're at the tell gat. You know, we might see
him here and might see him there. You know, me
and Joe daddy Jimmy were kind of connected by the hip.
Now you know, it's like, look like we're gonna be
doing this for a minute. So you know, we just
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take off and we're getting our cigars ready for this weekend. Yeah,
as you should. Um take us back to l s U.
Jamar's a top prospect coming out of New Orleans and
then they get this this transfer student coming from Ohio
State who couldn't get on the field of Ohio State.
What was your reaction? What was your overall reaction. L
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s U obviously is a big Louisiana school and here
comes this kid from Ohio. What was the reaction when
Joe Burrow stepped on campus For all of you guys, well,
it was an unknown factor. You know. I told Jamar,
you know, Jamar didn't want to go to l s U.
And it was like, like they got this guy, Joe Burrow,
He's coming in. He said, he's pretty good. Like there,
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I don't want to deal with that, dude, you know
what I'm saying. And I'm like, Jamal, we don't have
a choice. You know, like everybody knows that l s
U underutilize their receivers. Yeah, back then before that, right,
So I'm like, when you go to the league, people
are gonna know that you're pretty good because LSU did
news you in the right way. But then when Joe
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and Jamar got there, LU changed that concept and you
know the rest is history. Yeah, uh bluetnic cough winner
and then obviously, uh he teams up with Justin Jefferson
and it's one of the most electric offenses of all
time Burrow. There are sixty touchdown passes that season. Jamar's
the recipient of a bunch of them. Uh. What special
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was that time at l s U and all those
guys were clicking and he got Patrick Queen on defense
and all the rest of the guys as they now
emerging our stars in the NFL. Man that year was
so crazy, Peter, you don't guess what the best part
of the season was. Practice? Okay, Yeah. I would go
to all the practice as well whenever I could, like
two times after week, right, And practice was like so
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intense with that team, like Jamore and Derek Stigley used
to fight every day and pct okay, and I'm hanging
out with Derek Stigley's dad, me and him standing next
to each other on the sideline and they break out
in the fight in front of us, right, so the
whole staff looking at me and him. I'm like, I'm
not fighting, like looking at it, right. But the practice
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was intense. But that was that was a really good team.
Yeah it was. And then you go on this wild
ride and then the tomorrow takes off that year due
to COVID and says I'm gonna just wait this out.
That was tough. I'm sure for all you guys, knowing
what competitors you are. Was that year like the year
where Jamaar Chase did not play college football and waited
for the NFL draft the following season, that was really stressful.
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That was really stressful because Number one, uh Jamaar didn't
really want to opt out, right, and we had to
make some uh business decisions, you know. I told him
he needed to start thinking about his speech. He wasn't
really crazy about it, but he understood it in the end.
You know. Then after he was watching the games, he
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was ready to go back to school. He's like, then
a boy the back here. I'm like, hold on, man,
wait a minute. You can't make an emotional decision like that, right,
Because he wanted to help his team so bad, right,
so he just started coaching him from the phone, would coach.
They would call him after every game. We were called
them before the game, so he was really coaching the team. Obviously,
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you're so tight with your son and you have served
as such a great mentor for him. That preseason. I'll
never forget he had three drops in a game or
a pray this, and everyone was ready to call Jamar
chase a bust. I don't think Jamar ever lost a
step of confidence. What were the conversations like with father
to son when the media started nitpicking every pass that
(39:17):
he was dropping During the summertime, they put me on
a band was MoMA and his agent took my phone
and he told me I couldn't see it, and I
was living. I was living. I'm still man with the
reporter that started because I know who it was, Okay,
but Cecinnati, the Cecinnati folks didn't know who Jamal was,
(39:38):
you know what I'm saying. And then they were so
used to like bad things happening to them and Cincinnati,
so they was just you know, waiting for the Bowl
and drop drop, you know, they took that at the
ran with it. But I was living. And then he
goes on and has the greatest season ever had by
a rookie in the NFL, a wide receiver, and that
that is Randy Moss, that is Justin Jefferson, that is
(40:00):
Odell Beckham. Now, US draft nicks and US guys who
followed the league said, wow, okay, he came out of
Were you at all surprised he came out of the
gates like he did and then tore up the league
the way he did in year one? Well, you know,
as a father, right, the people have been telling you this,
like he could be this, he could be that. You know,
first they said he was a top five pick, and
(40:22):
I was like, okay, yeah, all right. Then they said
he could be you know, you take over the league.
And I was like, yeah, okay, all right, you know
that's my son. Right then Chris Carter. I heard Chris
Carter say on the NFL network that Jamara was the
best rookie ever. And then when Chris Carter say it,
I had to take a step back and like he
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knows when he's talking about you got your validation there.
I'm dying to meet him so I could thank him
because he was the first one to see it, right
then Randy Moss saying it right, and then when those
two guys said it, I was like, wow, yeah, it's
really really I started off this podcast talking about out
(41:07):
how they you know, the defensive coordinators got no head
coaching interviews all season. It was Alan or Mahomes, Alan
or Mahomes. Here's Burrow And then of course you've got
this game this week and it's all about Mahomes. Ankle Um,
what's the feeling amongst Bengals fans as you guys have
beaten Mahomes and Andy read the last three times you
face them. Well, they're they're pretty confident. They're pretty confident,
(41:30):
you know. But as a former football player and as
as a competitor. I know it's not going to be
a kate walker. You know, we're going to you know,
we play in the jungle, and they're really about to
go into a jungle in Kansas City because they're I know,
they're waiting on the Bankers, you know. So it's gonna
be a tough match. But the Bengal has been doing it.
They've been pulling it out, and like we have all
(41:51):
the confidence in the world. They gotta they gotta stop us.
That's the that's the sentiment with the bank They got
to stop us. Jamaar has been an amazing college and
pro player. When did you first know that your son
was special as a ball player. I knew he was
special way back in uh middle league, right one, right,
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But I always wanted to see how special he was, right,
So I was always looking for him to go against
the top competition. So as we progressed through high school
and stuff like that, and you know, no one could
press him one on one. So I would always come
up with the skip. But that guy wasn't that good.
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They said he was good, but he wasn't. Like, let's
see somebody else, and then he would get that guy
and I was like, but he wasn't that good either,
Let's see somebody else. And then the next thing I
know was like when he went to l s U.
He went through all the top corners that C. J. Henderson,
h A. J. Terrell, a couple of other guys. Was
it was a lot of cornerbacks. Certan in Alabama Certan right,
(42:58):
dig right? We did everybody that year except the guy
okafor at Ohio State and yeah, Okola, Yeah, that's why
I wanted him to go against But he paid out
pretty good against all the cornerbacks. So that's when I
knew you might be a little special. Take us through
draft night. You guys are sitting there, there's talks of
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either Penas Sewell or Jamaar Chase going to Cincinnati. We
know Joe Burrows there and we have since heard that
Burrow kind of gave Zach Teller that had not and said, yeah,
if you can get me my guy, that would be
really appreciated. When did you know Cincinnati and what was
your reaction when he was selected. We kind of always
knew it was gonna be hard for Cescinnati to pass
a month. You know, Jamart told me you said that
(43:42):
if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill. I'm like,
slow it down something I don't know. I mean, I
like NFL Sunday, I like Joe, but this is Cincinnati,
you know what I'm saying. Like that, I'm just telling
you that if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill,
you know. And then Draft night come and they got
a lot of you know, a lot of things go
on before the pack, right, so it was Miami, Atlanta
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and Delphia. It was a lot of teams in the mix.
And then when Cecinnati came, it was like it was
a bit of a relief. But Jamal was pretty happy
with that. He's got happy to get back with Joke
and it's been great ever since. Uh. In closing, there
are a lot of you know, fathers who are listening
to this podcast, fans of the NFL. Would be your
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one piece of wisdom. If their dreams are to see
their kid excel at the highest level. How do you
be a father that isn't so involved that he turns
his kid off from the game, But then it's also
involved just enough to be the perfect support system while
he makes his rise to the league. But you have
to know your kid, right, you know how to motivate him.
You got to know how he takes, you know, and
(44:49):
you gotta give and take. You can't be hold on him.
You know. I'm the holders on Jama in anybody. Yeah,
I give a book, but I'm the only one that
tells him no, right, No, I had to. I'm a
I'm a counselor by trade, a social work. Okay, I
kind of like play a psychological game with him or them,
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you know, And a lot of things I did with
your mom he didn't understand. And then that's why I
don't know if you've seen the tape that I did
on draft night where uh, they asked us to do
a tape to talk to you something telling congratulations, and
I did a little thing on it and went viral
about I was so proud of him, and he did
all the things that I asked him to do. And
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now he's a grown man. I have to let him go,
you know, win to hold him, win a folder. And
I had to give him the past because you know,
I used to write him hard. I let him know that,
you know, we're good. I gave him everything that I had,
and that's why you see him doing what he's doing
now because he has a lot of information, He has
(45:55):
a lot of support, and he has a lot of knowledge,
you know, even though you see he got it from
Joe Burrow, but I gave him to the first story.
H Jimmy, before I let you go, You'll be in
Arrowhead on Sunday. I imagine we'll be rocking that number
one Chase jersey. I'll be an our heat fright, you know,
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missing any flights. You'll be the guy in the number
one jersey. Maybe smoking a cigar with Burrows dad after
the game. Huh, We're gonna smoke. We're gonna be smoking
after the game, especially when we went okay, good luck.
This weekend, I will be at super Bowl in Arizona.
We might be hanging out again. We might have another
definitely out this time. I appreciate you always. I love
(46:40):
our correspondence, I love our friendship. Uh, and I love
watching your son playing. It's a testament to you as
a father. Congratulations and all the great success. Well, I
just want to say one thing, Peter. I messed with
you because I love your passion and your knowledge for
the game. Right. I've seen you did a little piece
last week about Dallas in San Francisco. Right, I used
(47:00):
to be back in the days, and you were so
ampt up about that. I lived that, Okay, I lived it.
I was there like that was when football was football.
That was crazy. But I love your passion for the
game and I love yours. Dude. That is awesome. Good
luck this weekend. You're the man, Jimmy Chase. Jamar Chase
has pops and a quite a talent on his own. Jimmy,
(47:23):
thank you man for joining the season with Peter Shrek.
Thank you, thank you so much for help. Good luck
this weekend, Jimmy Chase. Awesome guest. Thanks Jimmy. Let's get
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The money line if you like the Bengals is minus
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That spread is about Mahomes's ankle and Mahomes's ankle only.
I think if Mahomes's ankle is healthy, that's a three
and a half point chief spread. I think no one
knows what we're getting with Mahomes. And this is why
this week is so important. You get these bets in
on Tuesday, you start breaking it down on Tuesday. It's
very different than what we might have on Saturday. Um,
(48:27):
let me explain. I think we're gonna have real accurate
and good idea based on whether he practices during the week,
whether he's walking at practice. Because here's the thing. When
the conference championship game is there, all the national media
is split into two cities. They're they're either in Kansas
City for the game or they're in Philadelphia for the game,
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And if you want to go a little bit earlier
in the week, they're in just four cities. So usually
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(49:12):
to Philadelphia, You're sending multiple reporters to San frciscon Cincinnati.
Meaning the scrutiny on this ankle is going to be
so high from every network, from every reporter, every net magazine,
every newspaper. Everyone's there, and you better believe the best
reporters are gonna be focused on this ankle. So if
I'm looking at Mahomes, and I'm looking at him last week,
and like I said earlier, I think pure adrenaline was
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a lot of that thing, and Henny did a great
job leaving the yards. But Jay Glazer's report Sunday was
like the first Salvos, the first thing we got, And
he said that Mahomes woke up on Sunday and felt
a lot better than he did Saturday night. Well, that
could mean the swelling went down, that could mean that
he slept with at forty five degrees in the air.
We don't know, but I promise you by Friday and Saturday,
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the information will be different than when you're listening to
this now on Tuesday and Wednesday, and that spread will
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mahomes ankle is worse the and it might be at
the end of that game when he was throwing that
jump touchdown to Marquez Valdez scantling, well, then go with Cincinnati.
Go with your gut. The ankle is gonna be a
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huge deal. If you think Mahomes grits this out, and
you think that Mahomes at home is gonna be able
to find a way to finally get the best of
Joe Burrow, and then that offensive line which they pay
so much money, can keep him upright just long enough
for him to be able to navigate the pocket and
make the big plays, then go with Kansas City. Uh,
the minus two to me is negligible. It's it's it's
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a field goal or not. You're not gonna win many
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Kings dot com slash football terms. That's this week's episode
of the season with Peter Schreeger. I love doing this
podcast and I love having on guests like this. Dan
Quinn awesome as always. Good luck to him and his
head coaching interviews, and uh, if he's on that Dallas
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sideline next year, watch out, they'll be back. And if
he's somewhere else, will say we knew you win. Uh.
And Jimmy Chase Jamaar Chase's father. Awesome guy, great perspective
and a huge, huge football fan. We know he'll be
in Kansas City rocking with those Bengals on Sunday. Guys,
Thank you for listening each week. The feedback keeps on
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getting better and better, and I feel like we're getting
more and more listeners. As always. I want to thank
Aaron Won Kaufman, start producer from I Heart Radio, Jason English,
also an I Heart hero, and then we've got Matt
Schneider and Jason Kleman over at the NFL Network who
do a fine job with all the digital stuff, and
in our music man, the legend that is Jack Rudd.
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He puts together that funky beat that's underneath me. Right
now until next week, guys, enjoy the games. The Season
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with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL and
partnership with I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from my
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