The Season with Peter Schrager: Peter's Mock Draft 1.0 and Senior Bowl Executive Director Jim Nagy and Peter's "5 Players I Love" Lists

Peter takes us through his first mock draft of the 2023 Draft season, his process opposed to others, and why he doesn't roll his eyes at the explosion of Mock Drafts everywhere on the internet. Then, Senior Bowl Executive Director Jim Nagy joins the show to talk about why the Senior Bowl matters. Then Jim and Peter list out their respective "5 Players I Love" lists. Lastly, Peter reviews the movie "Air", which he saw this weekend while his wife was getting hair and makeup done for a wedding. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Season with Peter Schreeger is a production of the
NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody? This is
the Season with Peter Schrager. I'm Peter Schreger, joined here

(00:29):
by my trusted producer, Aaron wang Kaufman. We are now
less than ten days away from the NFL Draft, and
I have not slept over the last twenty four hours
because I had been working on it for weeks. But
I take a lot of pride and I put out
my first mock draft. And that sounds so trivial in
the grand scheme of things, and you're just dropping into

(00:51):
this podcast, like, who is this person who thinks that
it's such a dramatic thing that he's putting out his
first mock draft? The first of two. Let me explain
the reason I take so much pride in it is that,
year after year after year, I have a great humility.
Usually I do not have great humility when it comes
to this. I have the most accurate mock draft on

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the Internet. And that's because I don't do the mock
draft in terms of who I would take or what
I think a team should do. I do it with
what I'm hearing from around the league, from GMS, from coaches,
and in many cases from those teams specifically, if you
watch Good Morning Football, listen to this podcast, you know
I've got relationships around the league. I oftentimes will utilize

(01:33):
those relationships and getting the best NFL news available, not
necessarily transactional. This guy signed for this much money and
breaking news here but more. Okay, Jalen Hurt signs a deal.
Here's how it got done. Here's why I got done.
Let me speak to my sources in Philadelphia and on
the players side and try to come to that conclusion
and get the best information possible. When it comes to

(01:54):
the draft though, and I says, well, you're getting smoke screens,
you're getting this. No one's telling me who they're taking
up top. What I'm doing is I'm talking to all
the teams I possibly can, and I'm trying to infer
the most informed that I can out of that. I'm
trying to make it work. I'm trying to get to
a point where I feel comfortable when people around the
league can look at it and say, ooh, that's interesting.

(02:15):
He must have spoken to somebody. Let me get on
the phone and let me see what he's got, or
let me explain why this might not make sense. So
my first mock draft came out and I worked on
it over Saturday, Sunday, Monday, came out on Tuesday morning.
Here's how it goes, and I'm going to go through
it quickly and I'm going to have some comments throughout
number one. The Carolina Panthers are taking Bryce Young number two.

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I have a trade and this is so unlikely, and
yet I connected a couple dots here where if ever
there was going to be an intradivisional trade, this would
be the one. I have. The Houston Texans trading back
with the Indianapolis Colts, their hated rival and a team
in the division, and the Colts moving up to number
two and doing so by trading one of their star players,

(02:59):
DeForest Buckner, to the Houston Texans. They just restructured Buckner's contract.
Buckner also played for Miko Ryans when they were in
San Francisco. Again, so rare to have an intradivisional trade.
But if the Colts were to offer the fourth overall
pick into Forest Buckner for the second overall pick, could
the Texans say no? And if you're listening at home,

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and you're saying, why would the Texans just take CJ. Straud,
Just take CJ. Stroud at two, be done with it.
They might. In fact, I would say, even though I
don't have a happening in this mock draft, there's a
pretty good chance they do take a quarterback at two,
despite all the words right now that they might be
trading out or they might just be taking the best
defensive player available. I will make this point there are

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personalities and humans involved when it comes to the draft,
and oftentimes a team won't have a certain player on
their board because of this guy had this off the
field in fraction, or this guy doesn't fit in our
scheme anything. There's no chance that Houston Texans don't have
c J. Stroud high on their board. They absolutely do
have c J. Stroud high on their board. They might
take him second overall. I will note that CJ. Stroud's

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agent is the same agent as the Watson. Houston and
Sean Watson ended in not such great ways, and it
was a disgusting fallout of a guy holding out and
he made all his money, and yet he demanded a
trade and they let it. If Houston doesn't draft a
quarterback second overall, and they move back and draft another quarterback,
and if it's not c J. Stroud, I'm not saying

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it's because of that. I would just say there are
personalities involved, and I no one said to me they
will not take him, or look at the agent. No,
that's me. That's me coming there and just saying, I
wonder if that plays a role in the selection of
a franchise quarterback, if they go down that road with
the same agent that represented their last franchise quarterback where
it went terribly awry at the end. So I've got

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the Colts taking c J. Stroud at too. I have
the Cardinals staying put, taking Will Anderson. I have the
Texans then taking not a quarterback but Tyree Wilson out
of Texas Tech. I'll get to their quarterback situation in
just a bit. Five is the Seahawks, fascinating team, loaded everywhere.
Just signed Geno Smith to a contract that's three years

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and truly he's the guy for next year for sure,
one year, twenty seven million. Next year. I have the Seahawks,
with Jalen Carter still on the board, taking Anthony Richardson
the quarterback out of Florida. Gino Smith's thirty two. He
had a great year. He's getting handsomely paid for it.
It's a great story. I mean truly, it's the comeback
player of the year story you'd hope.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Four.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
After eight straight years of not being a starter and
four straight years of signing one year contracts, he finally
gets the deal with the Seahawks. He's going to be
their quarterback next year. Anthony Richardson is the future, and
I don't think the Seahawks plan on being in the
top five anytime soon. I don't think the Seahawks plan
on ever being in this rebuild mode where they got

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all this for the Russell Wilson trade anytime soon. Top
five pick a quarterback's there with a quarterback who can
not only teach him the ways, but doesn't make him
feel forced he has to start year one. I like
Anthony Richardson to the Seahawks at five. I went Jalen Carter.
We'll get to Jalen Carter a bit. I think Jalen
Carter is the best player in this draft. I think

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there's a lot of baggage. I think there's a lot
of question marks. I don't think Jalen Carters for everybody.
If he's sitting there at six and the Lions have
Hutchinson on one side and they can get Carter on
the inside, that's a lot to deal with if you're
an opposing team. And if the draft was last I'll
say February, or if the draft was in January, Jalen
Carter's the first overall pick, if not the second. If

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you want to say, that team's going quarterback in Bryce Young.
So I got the Lions taking him there. Raiders seven,
Peter Scarnsky at a Northwestern eight Falcons, Nolan Smith, Georgia
pass rusher nine Bears, Christian Gonzales, a defensive back out
of Oregon. Ten. Eagles have not selected a running back
in the first round since nineteen eighty seven, when they

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took Keith Byers. Google Keith Buyers, awesome player at Ohio State.
I have him going running back Bishan Robinson, and then
I get really interesting here. Eleven and twelve to Tennessee Titans.
A ton of talent still on the board in this draft.
They have needs everywhere. They have a terrible wide receiver's
room right now. The offensive line is a mess, and

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there's not been a single offensive lineman outside of Scoronski
or a wide receiver taken he in the draft eleven.
What do they do. I've got the Tennessee Titans taking
a quarterback, taking Hendon Hooker at a Tennessee Hendon Hooker
before Will Levis. Look, it might not go this way.
I just am hearing a lot of heat on Hooker
in the last few weeks. Hooker would be a local product.

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He played at Tennessee. He'd be going to the Tennessee Titans.
Tannehill is there, so as he recovers from an ACL,
Tannehill would be the starter, at least for a year,
maybe a year more. Who knows Hooker comes in coming
off the ACL. And then will Levis is sitting there
at twelve, And if the Texans still have a twelfth pick,
I've got them taking will Levis at twelve. Now, will
Levis is a fascinating story. At one point I thought

(08:00):
he could have been the first overall pick. Now I'm
having a hard time finding a team if he slips
past Indianapolis. I kind of put him at twelve to Houston.
Would Houston pass on a quarterback twice by saying they
wouldn't take one at second. They wouldn't take one at
fourth and then take one at twelve and feel good
about it. I don't know. It's a mock draft Will Levis.
I needed a place for him. I feel like the

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Houston Texans desperately need a quarterback. I think it makes
some sense Will Levis, the Texans at twelve, Jets, Broderick Jones, Patriots,
Devin Witherspoon, the cornerback at Illinois, some of him going
in the top five, top six. I got him going
fourteen and going second on the cornerback to Christian Gonzales fifteen,
Green Bay. How fun would this be? Jackson Smith Nijibba.

(08:42):
I think I'm saying that right, Nijigba Nijigba. Ohio State
obviously teams love him. He's a talent, and the Packers.
Would that not be the ultimate salt in the wound
to Rodgers. They never drafted a wide receiver or a
tight end in the first round while Rodgers was there.
Never not once they traded up and got Jordan Love,
but they did not take a wide receiver. If they
were to take a wide receiver at fifteenth. Overall, I

(09:03):
think it's a smart because they need help in the
wide receiver's room, and B it would be quite a
dig and quite assaultan the wound to Rodgers. Sixteen Washington,
Dalton Kincaid, tight end out of Utah, love his game.
Seventeen Paris Johnson sitting there. I've got the Steelers taking
him at seventeen eighteen Joey Porter Junior to the Lions.

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Would the Steelers pass on Joey Porter Junior? Everyone say,
absolutely not. Joey Porter's a legend now hard a situation
that would be for Joey Porter Junior going to Pittsburgh
and playing for Mike Tomlin just as his father did.
I don't know. I feel like after their needs on
offensive line, I would go Paris Johnson there if he
was still on the board. So eighteen would be Joey
Porter Junior. That means the Lions would get Jalen Carter

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and Joey Porter Junior. That would be awesome for them. Again.
A mock draft ten days out nineteen Tampa, Deontay Banks
out of Maryland twenty the Seahawks. They already got Anthony Richardson.
In this draft, they get Lucas van Ness out of Iowa.
Twenty one Chargers. They take Michael Mayer, talented tight end
at a Notre Dame Ravens Darnell Wright offensive tack Tennessee

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Vikings at twenty three. A lot to talk about them
possibly moving up for a quarterback. I have them stay
input getting Jordan Addison the wide receiver at a USC
This dude with Justin Jefferson together would be quite a duo.
They lost Adam Thielen. Jaguars go Brian Branch, defensive back
out of Jacksonville. Twenty five the Giants. Everyone all lies
on the Giants. They took a small, undersized wide receiver

(10:27):
who didn't do much last year in Wondale Robinson. I
have them going for a small, undersized wide receiver in
the first round this year. Yeah, this guy has accomplished
way more in his college career, going Zay Flowers out
of Boston College. Giants fans already crushing me online saying
there's no way they would do that. They would not
go back to wide receiver. Guess what they might. Twenty
six Cowboys Jamiir Gibbs running back at Alabama. Zeke's gone.

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They fill them in with Gibbs. Gibbs talented player compared
to Alvin Kamara. Finish out this draft Bills and Aaron,
I know you're a Bills fan. Defensive end Miles Murphy
at a Clemson Bengals tight end Darnell Washington. I know
they got Irv Smith, but they might not be done
in that position. And I go wide receiver Jonathan Mingo
to the Saints. I don't have anyone else anywhere online

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having Mingo as a first round pick. I'm hearing too
much buzz about him. I'm just throwing him in there
at twenty nine. We'll see what the league says. If
I get a bunch of text texting me saying he's
a third round prospects that around prospect, get him out
of there. He won't be in my final mock draft thirty.
Will McDonald the fourth at of Iowa State. Talented dude,
great story. Matt Campbell is the head coach of Iowa State.

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He is dear friends with Nick Sirianni. They go back
a long way. I could see him talking up McDonald.
Them getting what they do is building on the inside out.
That would mean they'd get Bjon Robinson and Will McDonald.
Pretty good first day for the Eagles. And last the
Chiefs at thirty one, Quinton Johnson towering wide receiver at
a TCU. Now some notes as you listen, and I

(11:53):
just spit all that at you. It's going to change
from now till a few days from now. So this
is obviously not gospel. I can't tell you which things
come from which teams, but trust me, this doesn't come
throwing things at the wall. Also, last year they were
thirteen day one trades thirteen so all this can be
ripped up and thrown away once the draft starts. But Aaron,

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that is my mock draft. I take it very seriously.
I take a lot of pride in it, something that
I always say, it's almost like a PSA announcement that
I do on Good Morning Football. I don't know how
to scout. I don't know how to watch film. I
just don't have it in me. I try. I've sat
down in those rooms and been like, all right here
in the three four scheme, watch the off the ball linebacker.

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I can't. It doesn't have I love the stories, I
love the action, I love the drama of the field,
but I love the intrigue of the business of football,
and the draft is the business of football. So a
lot of mock drafts are written and done by guys
who will tell you what they think a team should do.
Or here's why Jordan Addison should go before JSN whatever

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his nickname is from from Ohio State, Jackson Smith, Nijigba, Nijigba.
I gotta get that right. It's gonna be a star
in the league. I gotta know it. I take a
lot of pride and saying I don't know any of that.
It's not what I think the team should do. It's
what I think they might do, and hopefully there's a
place for that in the mock draft ecosystem. I don't
make fun of mock drafters. I don't make fun of

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the idea of mock draft. I think it's low hanging
through people. Do they think it's stupid. I've never not
clicked on a mock draft. I love it. I find
it interesting, and I'll tell you what the teams do too.
My mock draft is currently up at NFL dot com.
If you're listening to this during the week, you'll find
it out one of those side panels. You can also
find it on my Twitter timeline. It will change, it

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will change, but for now. We have fun, We throw
things out there, and we try to get you the
most information as possible. My guest is someone I've been
wanting to have on before the draft because I think
this side of Daniel Jeremiah might be the smartest draft
voice that we've got out there. As far as the
players go. He scouts them all all year long, and
then his job is to recruit them and get them

(13:57):
to participate in his Senior Bowl All Star game. His
name is Jim Naggy. He's got a long history in
the league, and he left a very good job and
see working for the Seahawks front office to be the
guy who runs the Senior Bowl. If you don't know
what the Senior Bowl is, it's a senior all star
game of the best college football talent in the country.

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And not only does he have to get these players
to agree to come, he's got to get them to
agree to come and participate over the course of the
week and go through rigorous examination, and at the end
of it, a lot of them help their draft stocks.
Jim Naggy is his name. He is our guest, and
we're going to get to him right now. I'm so
excited about our guests. I think it's the perfect guest

(14:39):
as we are heading towards the draft next week and
all the mock drafts are coming out, and this is
smoke screens season, and everyone's acting as if they're an
expert on these players, both on the field and off.
There may be no greater closer person to some of
these young men than our guests. It is the executive
director of the Senior Bowl and a guy whose opinion

(15:00):
I really value and whose work ethic I absolutely respect.
Jim Naggy. Welcome to the season with Peter Schrager.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Peter, great to be on man. Thanks for having me
all right.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
So, for viewers and listeners who might not be familiar
with your background NFL scout front office guy for years.
I know you as Seattle, but New England as well.
Take us through your path a little bit in the
NFL and how you got to where you are right now.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
I had a one year brief stint with the former
team known as the Washington Redskins. Was my first job
in the league. John Schneider, who's the GM in Seattle,
hired me. There was there one year. John and Marty
Schottenheimer got shown the door after an eight and eight
season when Marty probably should have won Coach of the
Year that year, considering what our roster looked like. You

(15:47):
go eight and eight, Tony Banks is our starting quarterback.
We won a couple of games with Kent Graham. I mean,
it's a pretty good year. So then I ended up
in New England for a good run. After that, started
scouting on the West coast and then moved to the Midwest.
From there, I went to Kansas City with Scott Pioli,
our general manager when he got the job in Kansas City.
Scott does great work for the NFL network now. And
then I went to Seattle for five years before taking

(16:09):
this job. And this was really the senior bal thing
was really a family decision. Mobiles my wife's hometown. We've
been here since two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
To raise our kids.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
So when this job came open, it was too good
to not jump at. I called John Schneider. I said, John,
I gotta I gotta go for this, don't I And
He's like, you're dang right, you do. So here we
are five years later, just finished up our fifth Senior
Ble and the.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Senior ball has grown and grown under your stewardship. What
is your role as executive director in getting to know
these young men and getting them those invites to the
premier college All Star game.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
You know, Peter, I'll say this has been a great
game forever many My predecessor Phil Savage, the former Browns
GM did an awesome job here.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
The biggest goal was to was to really market the
game a little better, and that's through social media. We've
really used social media as as an incredible tool.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Helped us recruiting too.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
I mean that was really the biggest thing is to
is connect with these players and recruit these players.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
You know.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
So yeah, that's that's my biggest role in terms of
these players is just scouting upright, created real football operation.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Got tape in the office.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
We never had tape here in the office, so the
league office made us jump through some hoops to do that.
But thankfully that first year they allowed us to get
access to the tape, and you know, we track them
all the way through.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
We're already jumping on twenty twenty four.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
I started on the running backs yesterday, watch five or
six running backs, and then we take it all the
way through the year, you know, and differing levels. You know,
if I go out and do a hand invite like
I do with some of the smaller school guys, I
get to know them a little earlier in the process.
And then you know, goal of mine is just to
get to know them while they're down here in Mobile
for the week.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
And again it's always varying levels.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
Of you know, my communication with these guys, but that's
my goal every week by the time they leave, I
want to have some good one on one interaction with
all of them so.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
You get to know them in the recruitment process of
getting to play in the game. And then once they
get to the game, it's a week in Mobile, Alabama,
they're playing for a team, but you're in all those meetings.
You're getting to know these guys, you know them inside
and out by the time that week is over in January.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Correct, Yeah, try to you know, try it.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's the fun part is popping in some of these
bizz meeting rooms at night. And obviously that the team
interviews are very private and I would never try to
overstep my bounds there. But I do get a lot
of good feedback from from buddies around the league and
who did a good job in interviews and you know
how different guys presented, and then obviously just the on
field takeaways. You're down here, you know, the NFL network
comes down here in mass They send everybody and just

(18:26):
the takeaways from being on the field and watching who's
taking coaching and who's competing, and you know, little things
like body language, facial expressions when they're in these really
highly competitive situations. Man, I mean that's you see some
of the head coaches. I mean I feel like every
single post that I put out, I did one this
morning and there's Mike Tomlin in the background, Mike to
Mike t gets in all this stuff. So just some

(18:47):
great takeaways. Yeah, try to learn these guys the best
we can.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
So it's an information thing for a lot of us
going into the combine too. So it's our first dip
of the toes the college All Star Games, but this
is really the premiere one and these are the guys
that are going to the NFL. So for me, I
look at the Senior Bowl and I analyze every player
in there, and I get to get all the information
I do from the teams that were coaching those guys
get out of that. And I remember last year, and

(19:10):
I don't have any problem saying this. I had lunch
with Robert Sala before the draft and we were talking about,
would you know the Jets do this, would Jets do that?
And he said, you know, we don't need a quarterback.
But we were down in the Senior Bowl and it's
the fourth quarter and it's you know, it's whatever, and
you could say what, it doesn't matter. And Desmond Ridder
pulls over the entire team on the sideline and he

(19:31):
looks and says, I got you, guys, I'm going to
lead us here. And he's like, I love what that
kid's made out of. The littlest thing like that that travels,
that goes a long way. And that's something that the
Jets coaching staff, which didn't take Desmond Ridder, would never
have known had they not had Desmond Ridder at the
Senior Bowl. And of course now Desmont Ridder is a
starting quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
You know, I think, Peter, what these teams are really
trying to drill down on right now on it if
you talk to all thirty two man who loves football
and who are the really truly competitive guys, So like
you know, I think the common thought out there is
that Senior Bowl practice week matters a ton in the game,
maybe not so much. And that's because most of the
you know, most of the key decision makers get on

(20:12):
a plane on Friday after Thursday night interviews and they
get out of dodge. But it's not like it's not
like the game tape isn't being watched right, Like it's
there's no there's no game that gets watched more in
draft meetings than the Senior Bowl game tape. And we
wore it out every team I ever worked for. But yeah,
it is the little takeaways. Man, It's the little things
that you can kind of grab onto. Because I say

(20:32):
this all the time, you know, it really is this
whole quote unquote pre draft process. It's a short period
of time. I mean you're talking January to April. You
got about four months to really figure these guys out
and who you want to give, you know, millions and
millions of dollars to so you do. Sometimes you grab
on a little stuff like that and it goes a
long way. And I think when you get a Desmond
Ritter that's in that in that situation, yeah, it might

(20:53):
not seem like the biggest deal to the outside world,
but he's a competitor, like he's in there, and to me,
those those are the little takeaways that that really it
seems like a little thing, but it's really a kind
of a window into a much bigger thing.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I don't have it in front of me, and I apologize.
I don't have the list of the guys who were there,
but I have memories, and you know, I've been watching
clips saying, who are the six quarterbacks who were at
the Senior Bowl this year?

Speaker 4 (21:17):
This year it was Max dug In from TCU, j
Kaner from Fresno State, Clayton Tune from Houston, Jaren Hall
from BYU, Malik Cunningham from Louisville, and Tyson Bagent from Shepherd. So, yeah,
this was a year, a different year. You know, we've
had I think seven straight in Hendon Hooker.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Hennon was down.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
He was obviously injured and he couldn't really participate on
the field, but went through all the interview stuff and
was in the in the classroom with the teams.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
And again, we we've.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Never invited an injured player in my five years, but
I felt like Kennon was kind of a one off
special case. But yeah, we have like a seven year
run of first round quarterbacks. Maybe Hendon extends that streak.
Maybe that streaks and Jeopardy, But it was a cool
quarterback group because they were all kind of graded similarly
like most teams when we do our call process in
February before we put the roster together. That's part of

(22:03):
our process too, is really bouncing you know, Sharon grades
with the teams and really bouncing stuff off. That's where
the relationships come in. I mean, most of the teams
had all these guys in that you know, early day
three area and and that you know, Senior Bowl week
was kind of where we start sorting those guys out
and really you know, and then combine and obviously Pro
Day and the workouts and the interviews all matter. But

(22:24):
down here watching those guys throw back to back to
back kind of help those guys in that you know,
a third, fourth, fifth round area.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Hendon Hooker was there. He's getting a little bit of
buzz right now, Late buzz. I had my mock draft
come out today and I've got him going before Will Levis,
which has rocked the Internet and people are freaking out.
I'm hearing really positive things about not only his meetings,
about his early recovery, and about the leadership skills that
he brings to a team. Can you talk to us
about Hendon Hooker a little bit, even if he'd get

(22:50):
to play in the senior ball, the fact he was
there and was able to show his face, he did
interact with teammates and also coaching staffs. I think that
says a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
Like I said, that was that was a one off.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
That's that's not a president we want to set, you know,
because again I think there will be some some people
that take advantage of that. Oh well, I'd love to go, Jim,
but I've got an ankle, like just use use the
game for the interview process, and we're not going to
go down that road. But to me, Hendon deserved it.
You know, he was one of the faces of college
football this year. Got to see him play a couple
of times this fall. I mean, just a really good player.
And again, because the quarterback position, the meeting time, in

(23:21):
the interview is like all that stuff being so important,
I kind of felt like we owed that to Hendon,
you know, and he's done a great job and I'll
take it here. Just kind of something time relevant with
the Jalen Hurts signing yesterday, right, I mean, Jalen.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Hurts came down here. Everybody had him in the fourth
or fifth round.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
We had him in the fourth round coming in a
Senior Bowl week leading up to that draft. Like to me,
the comp for me was Dak Prescott and now we've
seen Jalen. I think Howie Roseman got questioned big time
when he made the draft pick, you know, fifty three overall.
Everyone thought that was way too high for Jalen. But
if you I mean, I think the lesson, at least
for me, Like the takeaway from Jalen was don't ever
put a ceiling on these guys that are like high

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end competitors, high end workers, high end leaders.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
And say what you want about Hendon's tape.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
We can all watch his tape and pick apart scheme
and things of that nature. But he's the same as
Jalen in those three areas. Now they're a little bit
a little bit different personalities. Jalen's like super intense. I
know you've probably spent time around him, like he's a
really intense guy. Hendon's a little more laid back than that.
But in terms of the worker the competitor, like, that's
why that's why you're seeing that rise. I know you're

(24:22):
talking to guys around the league. That's why teams are
feeling good about him because of all that stuff that
you can't coach.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Man.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
You can't by the time they're by the time they're
in their twenties. Like the work ethic, the competitor like,
that stuff's instilled. You can work on the on the
field stuff, but you can't work on that stuff. So
to me, that's why Hendon's making kind of this what
you'd call maybe a late rise.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
All Right, the exercise we're gonna do, no one knows
these guys better than you. I'm sure you're biased towards
the senior Bowl players. I'm gonna maybe go with some underclassmen.
We're gonna do an exercise can also gonna be a
draft of sorts. We're gonna ping pong back and forth.
And this is called My Favorite five players with Jim
Naggy and what it is. I'm gonna name my favorite player,
You're gonna name your next favorite player, and it doesn't

(25:02):
have to be in any order. Just guys that we love,
you fall in love with people through the draft process,
and my first one is boring as hell. It is
someone that you're gonna say, Shrieker, that's not Bryce Young
is my favorite player in this draft. I absolutely loved
getting to know this guy. I love that he's different.
I like the fact that he's undersized and has worked
that way his entire career and has had great success

(25:24):
in the SEC. And from all the things I'm hearing
about in these meetings with teams, he has been just awesome,
a leader, competent, loves football, and I think the size
thing is cool, Like it's not my team, I'm not
drafted him first. Overall, I love guys who break the mold.
And you know, the comparisons are funny because I asked.

(25:46):
I asked a GM. I'm like, all right, give me
a comparison because Kyler's the first one or Drew Brees
the first one, but give me a comparison of the
way he plays the game. And the comparison I got
was Steph Curry, and I thought that was so cool.
So then I was like, all right, that's really cool.
And then I asked another GM, all right, who would
you compare Bryce Young two? And he goes, I compare
him to Trey Young on the Hawks, and I'm like,
that's the second an NBA point guard that has been

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compared to. Like the NFL is changing, He's not built
like other NFL quarterbacks, and yet I still think he
might be the first overall pick. He's my favorite player
in this draft. Your thoughts on Bryce Young do you
have any Did you get to know him at all?
And when you see him on tape as a former scout,
what do you see?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
I almost went with Bryce as well Peter at the
top because I didn't want to be accused of being
a senior ble homer. But yeah, I have had the
chance to meet Bryce without it. Actually met him a
couple of years ago at a camp out in Santa
Monica for the first time, and man, that the takeaway there.
And I found this over over the years with with
leaders and quarterbacks, like he's really comfortable in his own skin.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
Like you said, he's he's a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
I mean I remember the first conversation we started talking
about cooking, Like the dude loves to cook, Like he's
kind of got.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Some renaissance man to him.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
You know, he's not, but he's comfortable in his own skin.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
He's really he's the genuine article. He is who he is.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know, I think teammates are going to follow him
because again the work ethic part, and he talks about
Mac Jones and Max's influence on it and seeing Mac
work his freshman year.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
So yeah, I'm with.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
You, man.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
He's a really fun guy to study on those point
guard things make sense because he is a really he's
a distributor, and in his defense, like he wasn't distributing
to the same people that maybe mac Intua were. You know,
there was a drop off in in skill talent at
Alabama over the last couple of years, and they were young.
I mean I think they were talented, they were just
young guys. He was throwing to a bunch of young
guys that maybe weren't up to speed. So yeah, I

(27:31):
think he's, Uh, he's going to be a cool pick.
I think he is going to go to Carolina. I'd
be at this point, I'd be surprised if he if
he wasn't, But yeah, he's he's he's a really good player,
really cool kid. Kind of breaks the mold in a
lot of different ways. But you spend time around and
really easy guy.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
To like, all right, give us your number two, a
guy that you love.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
So I'll I guess we'll start alphabetically with the double
a's at a time at a bare from from north
coast to it. So I've been practicing that for like
five or six months now. He was on Bruce Feldman's
Freaks List. I'm sure you see Bruce's uh, you know
article that comes out every year. We we've collaborated with
brucell a little bit over the last couple of years
on that list.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Tried to add a few names for him. But he
always brings.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
Guys like at a time of wood to the table
that I didn't.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Know a lot about. He's really rare. He's a unique player.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
I mean, you can't throw around like scouts are very
touchy when it comes to descriptors and adjectives and things
of that nature.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
But like rare is rare.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And when you get a two hundred and eighty two
pound man running four four nine and he's got thirty
four inch arms, so he's got explosion, he's got length,
he's got all these things you want to look for.
But then on tape you see him playing kind of
a stand up edge position at Northwestern, which that's I
don't think that's what most teams see him, ask No,
I think they see him as a three technique.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
So that's where we played him during Senior Bowl week.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
And again in a really small exposure against a bunch
of first, second, and third round offensive linemen. During that week,
he was voted the defensive Lineman of the week by
the guys he played against. That offensive line voted him
the defensive lineman of the week at a position he'd
never really played before, which tells you like, wow, what's
this guy going to be in like two or three years.

(29:06):
So again, really talented guy. Best football is way ahead
of him, and he's starting to creep into those you know,
first round mocks a little bit, but he wasn't anywhere
near there, you know, a couple months ago. So it's
cool to see him rise. And again I just I
just think the tools you're you're gonna hit on it.
I mean, he works too hard, he's got too much,
too much talent in his body not to become a

(29:26):
good player.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Cool wrinkle there. I believe he's a Kansas City native,
grew up being a diehard Chiefs fan, and his whole
thing at the combine. When I spoke to his agent
was it would mean the world to be drafted in
the first round in Kansas City. Right now, I have
him right outside the first round, but who cares what
I have. A team might take him and I would
love to see that for him. My next guy, I'm
gonna go again with a kind of chalk pick here,

(29:50):
a player that everyone is starting to fall in love
with and has been watching for years. But I'm going
with Nolan Smith at a Georgia a pass rusher. One
of those deals where is he a product of the
system and there being a thousand NFL players or is
he a freak show that we overlooked during the college
season as one of these premier guys because of the

(30:10):
blowouts and because of what they were doing. This guy
ran a four to three nine forty as a defensive end.
He is an amazing young man. Great interview, and I
go back to the high school stuff, which I always
try to value and say, Okay, well what happened from
here to number one high school recruit in the country
when he decided to go to Georgia, had a wonderful career,
was sec Newcomer of the Year the whole thing, and
then you get into a defense with Jordan Davis and

(30:33):
Nakobe Dean and Jalen Carter and Trayvon Walker and Kwai Walker,
and the list goes on and on and on, and
your name kind of gets buried. I think he's worked
his way up to being a top ten pick based
on the combine performance and what he's done over the
course of his career.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
That's a good one, Peter, I love it.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
He was our top rated senior defensive player coming into
the fall based off as junior tape.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
He was at the top of the board last year.
Really talented guy, man.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
I'll say this like, I'm not saying he's more talented
than Jalen Carter, but when we had a bunch of
Georgia defensive players in last year's Senior Bowl, so you
know that whole defense was loaded. Obviously, watch a ton
of tape on that unit. I saw him play live
a couple of times, and Jalen Carter definitely flashed, but
Nolan or Nolan Smith flashed more to me than Jail

(31:15):
really yeah, and so we you know, then when we
got into the actual you know dig you know, deep
dive email over the summer. Man, You're like, okay, this
this guy's super talented. So then I think he was
gonna run four threes.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
At the combine. I didn't know about that. That's Jim.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
He threw his phone. He was like pissed. He ran
four three nine. He wanted faster.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's insane. That's insane.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
So yeah, Man as an outside linebacker, kind of a
do it all outside linebacker.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
He's a really cool player.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
And again you talk about talk about the person. I
got to meet him at the SEC media days back
in August or July or whatever that was. And again
just to really put together guy, really really sharp.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I don't I don't know how you miss on Nolan Smith.
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
All Right, who's your next guy?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Next guy is Cody Mauck from North Kota State. Love him,
Love this guy. I'm on record. I've probably spoken too
much about Cody over.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
The last few months, but uh, you know, to me,
he's the only five position offensive lineman in this year's draft.
Played left tackle at North Kota State.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Made it look easy.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
I mean, his tape was as when you talk about
what tape's fun to watch, I think Cody Maux's tape
was as fun as any player in this draft.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
You know, just him just wearing.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
People out at that level comes down here to Tomobile.
Plays guard, plays center. A lot of teams thought he
might be able to play that, and now they've seen
him do it, so it's not you know, scouts always
talk about quote unquote blind projections. They want to see
him do it first. Now we've seen Cody play all
five spots. I think he played left tackle, center, and
right guard in the Senior Bowl game, so you can
move around within a game. He's got the brain to

(32:43):
handle that. And I think what gets lost and like
the flowing red locks and the no front teeth and
all that.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
This dude's an unbelievable athlete. He really is.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Like he's nasty on tape and he wears people out.
But this dude is such a good athlete. So to me,
I don't think there's thirty one better players in the draft.
I know we only have thirty one picks in the
first round, but I mean if I had a first
round pick, if I was a GM, I mean, this
guy would be an easy because wherever you have your
kneed up front, you're gonna be able to plug him
in and to me, he's going to be a pro
Bowl level player.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
I love Cody Maunk flowing red hair and no front teeth,
and you bury that that's the fifteenth thing you said.
I love that he's an incredible personality. We'd love to
get to know him during the senior ball practices. My
next one again Chalk. You might say, come on, Sregger,
you're just going with the biggest names, but I love

(33:33):
a blue chip player. I'm going with b Jean Robinson.
I've telling you I've been watching this guy for years. Obviously,
you could spot talent at the college level. There's a
lot of great running backs, but I feel like he's
a cut above. I feel like he's the best running
back to enter a draft since maybe Jonathan Taylor, and
I think he might be the best running back as
a rookie since Saquon Like this guy. I watch him.

(33:54):
It seems like he's floating on air everything I touch him.
The time he touches the ball, he goes he can
catch the ball. I know running back is not a
cool thing in the first round anymore. I have him
going in the top ten. I think the Eagles take him,
even though the Eagles never take running I just think
there are very few blue chip players in this draft.
And I'm not knocking the draft that you don't watch
the draft because of the amount of blue chip players.
You watch the draft because you want to see who

(34:16):
your team gets. This guy is a blue chip player,
and if this draft was ten years ago, he might
go first overall. If this draft was twenty years ago,
he might go first overall. In this year's draft, he
might go twentieth because the running back position is so undervalued.
I love watching him play. The comparisons I make art
to Saquon, but people have more historical ones. Have you
had a chance to watch Bijon at all? And what

(34:37):
is you in your take on his game?

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I agree with everything you just said.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
You know the hard part in this role now is
you know when you're a scout, when you're working in
the league. I wasn't on social media, you know, I
wasn't on the internet. Like you make your own evail
and then once you feel good about your eveil, then
you can maybe open it up and see what else
is out there, what other people are thinking about players.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
But in this role, obviously I live on.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Social media to a degree, so you see all this
stuff about Bijeon, right, and you hear about it, you see,
and then when I actually sat down to watch him,
is like, wow, this guy is This guy's the truth.
I mean, I'm with you there. There might not be
you know, one or two better players in this entire draft.
He makes it look easy, Peter. I mean, he just
he makes it look easy. You know, at the highest
level of college football, the run stuff looks easy. He

(35:22):
just runs with an ease, He catches it with an ease.
I think he's going to be a big time, big
time player. And I'm with you, like ten ten could
be a cool landing spot because Eagles GM Howie Roseman's
on record he's saying like he likes a zig when
other people are zagging, right, And if the league's going
away from running back right now, you know, in coach Belichick,
who I worked for for for all those years in
New England, like they're always looking for market, you know, efficiencies,

(35:45):
and and if teams are passing on running backs and
they don't see value there early, but then maybe it's
going to be one of these gms that that that.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Is going to do something the opposite.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
So yeah, man, such a such an easy player to
to like and fun, fun player, fun player.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Give me your third name. Who's your third guy you
want us to look out for?

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Little two for one, I'll go with the Brown brothers
from Illinois. I was gonna go with Sidney Brown, but
throwing his twin brother Chase as well.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
To me, Sidney's a guy that, frankly, like I was
too low on.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
There's always a few guys that show up in Mobile
that are are better players, and I give them credit
for off the tape.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
I'll say this.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
As soon as those two guys get off the bus.
They get off the bus from the airport, there's like
a little registration room where we start, I mean player
registration days.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Crazy.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
They got medical stuff, they got psychological testing, they've got
photo shoots, they've got all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Those two guys get off the bus, and.

Speaker 4 (36:33):
I'm telling you, Peter, like within a minute You're like, Okay,
these guys are different, like the Brown brothers are different.
Sydney's a little more outgoing, got got you know, like
a little more charisma than Chase. Chase is a little
more a little more laid back. But but there they
are special dudes. They've they've got a great story. You
can google it. I'm not going to wear out your listeners,
but google the story about the Brown brothers and in
their background.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Really cool. But Sidney's like this.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Rocked up Bob Sanders looking strong safety, right, and so
you want to say, you just want to say box
safety because of how he's built. He's just like this
chiseled up specimen. And then you more you watch, you're like, man,
he's there. He just made a playing coverage and then
it made another playing coverage. So he ends a season
with seven interceptions, and he's got some like Johnny on
the Spot tip ball stuff and.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
He's making plays.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
He comes down here to the Senior Bowl and it's
kind of like Jalen Petrie last year from Baylor, who
had a great rookieyear for the Houston Texans in the
one on one stuff with tight ends and receivers, like
Sidney was blanketing people and making plays on the ball,
like he if he's around the ball, he's going to
finish on it.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Like we talk about players that can't find the ball
or they can't play the ball, like Sidney's the opposite.
He's unbelievable. When he was when he's in the reach
of the ball, so I just think Sidney's a guy
that and then all the testing, like the Combine stuff
was ridiculous. Forty inch vertical, eleven foot broad all that
high end testing stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
So to me, he's a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
I think he's worked himself up into somewhere in probably
the second round range, which probably was he started off
the process, probably in the fourth and he's just one
of my favorite dudes. I would want him in my
locker room. He's going to be infectious, He's going to
be a captain. Just loves Sidney Brown and and love
his brother Chase too.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's awesome. My fourth name, I'm going with Will McDonald,
the fourth out of Iowa State. I love this kid.
I love his story, and I like the fact that
he competed at the Combine despite a one hundred and
four fever that he came down with and said, hell,
I'm going for it. I'm trying to ultimate competitor. Matt
Campbell speaks the world of him. I've got him going
in the first round. I don't see many other monks

(38:27):
having him there. They have him as a second round pick.
He might be a second round pick. I love what
he did at Iowa State. I think that he is
an athletic freak. I also like the way he's made
up and kind of the way he had And I
know he was a senior Bowl guy. What'd you think
of him when you got to meet him.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Well, you saved me, Peter, you saved me a spot.
I was gonna say, Will McDonald's go with.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Him, to go with him as your fourth it's not.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
It's not, but I was hoping maybe you would throw
him in there.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I'll say this about Will.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
I think you're right. I think he's going to be
a first round pick. Talking to guys in the league,
there's way too much to like. I mean, he's got
production on paper. He's got thirty some sacks over the
last three years, and he wasn't really put in a
position to get sacks in that defense. You know, like
he was really always tied tight to the tackle. You
never saw him. You never got to see him like
really out wide and just like coming off the edge.
He's probably the bendiest pass rusher in this year's draft.

(39:13):
He's long, he's put on a bunch of weight through
the process. He's already put on you know, ten to
fifteen pounds since the Senior Bowl, So he's trending in the.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Right direction that way.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
Like you talked about the athletes six to nine high
jumper in high school, I think the team, the teams
talking to him, they love the competitor, they love the
fact that he had a fever and a lot of
people would have shut themselves down and not done the
combine thing, and he did it. I think he's helped
himself as much as anyone through this process. He's talking
to a head coach the other day. He thinks he's
going to come out of the shoots next year and
be a double digit sack guy. And if there's a

(39:43):
love for him in the league like that, if coaches
think this guy could be a double digit.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Sack guy, we didn't have one last year.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Aiden Hutchinson, I think had the league with rookies and
he was like eight or nine. If there's teams out
there that feel like this guy could get ten secks
as a rookie, he's going to go in the top
thirty one pick.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
So I think you're going to be right on that.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Peter keive us another name.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
I would go with.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Michael Wilson from Stanford a little later down the road.
It's not a first second round guy like we've been
talking about. But Michael Wilson's a guy again probably showed
up a lot better than I would have thought. You know,
going through the Stanford tape, you know, you really polished,
You really like the route runner, you really like the hands.
You love how they talk about him, David Sewan, those
guys at Stanford like rave about about Michael Wilson. And
when you said put your favorite group together, I've thought about, Okay,

(40:26):
if I was putting a team together, who would I
want in my locker room.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Michael Wilson's different.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
He reminds me a little of Terry mclaur in that way,
like when when Terry, when Terry came down to the
Senior Bowl, I told every team that called that year,
like they said, Jim, who would you want? And Terry
was always my first guy because of first and foremost
the person that Terry was like, and I was on
I was on records, and I think Terry could be
the CEO of a Fortune five hundred company when he's
done playing football. Like that's how that's how intelligent and

(40:53):
driven the guy is. And Michael Wilson's different too. I
mean for the wide receiver position. He just gets it.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
When you talk to him, you feel like.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
You're talking to like a thirty year old grown up
and then coming down here like bring it back. On
the field, he's he's more explosive than I gave him
credit for, or plays faster than he tested. You watch
our tape and he's getting deep on guys he only
ran four or five or high four fours, whatever it was. Well,
he consistently got to deep levels of the field against
guys that ran four to three at and he so
he plays fast, he plays explosively, explosive.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
In a draft where there's.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
A bunch of five eight, five nine, one hundred and
seventy pound guys, this guy's six foot two, two hundred
and fifteen pounds. So yeah, I just don't think you
can go wrong. He had some injury stuff at Stanford.
You know, if he stays healthy, I think this guy's
a really good starter in the league.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Love it all right, We're gonna leave our last picks,
and these are the guys that we love and that
we can't wait to see get drafted. My last one
is a wide receiver. Was at the Senior Bowl comes
from a factory of wide receivers of late who all
the similar build and yet, for whatever reason, Jim, I
feel like you and I are the only ones on
the island who have been pushing this guy as a
first round pick. I'm going with Jonathan Mingo. Love Mingo.

(41:58):
Love that he's six foot two, two twenty, Love that
he's built like a different wide receiver shape than most
of the guys that you're seeing in these first round bocks.
I look at the history. I know he was injured,
I know he's got issues as far as production at
the college level. But I look at aj Brown, I
look at Elijah Moore, I look at DK Metcalf, and
I look at Ole Miss and I say, here's a

(42:18):
six to two, two twenty chiseled wide receiver who has
good route running from what I see, and actually has
good hands, and yet he's considered some crazy project because
he didn't have one hundred catches a game. I'm going
with Jonathan Mingo. I know you know the guy really well.
What are you hearing on, Mingo? And do you think
there's a chance he goes in the first round? As
I have it, the Saints taking him at the end

(42:38):
of the first round.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
That would be a cool pick down here on the
Gulf Coast. This is the Mobile is a big Saints
fan base. I know they would be fired up about
an SEC guy there. I'm with Jan Mingo, I'm with
you on him. I'll say this, I'll throw another name,
Ole Miss name out, Dawson Knox.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Dawson Knox.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
I mean, go back and look at Dawson Knox's college
production at ole Miss. So you know, John started out
that year hot, and by the time I saw him
in mid season against LSU, they were throwing the ball
to Malik Heath on the other side because you know,
I had done enough early in the season where he
was starting to pull coverage his way. So they started
feeding Malik Keith on the other side, which is which
is smart my whole miss. But but I'm with you.

(43:15):
There's a good track record there. This guy is a springy,
springy athlete for someone with that size that's six '
to two. Again, we're talking about a guy that's like
five six inches and forty to fifty pounds heavier than
some of these guys being mocked, you.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Know, all the other first round guys.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, right, so I'm with you on Mingo. I think
he's going to be. You know, we always do the
better pro than college player thing. I think he's gonna
end up, like a lot of these guys from Ole Missill,
end up being a you know, at least production wise,
the better pro than he was college player.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Who's your last player that you got before we let
you go? Give us the last player one of your
favorite players in this draft? Who is it?

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Jim Naggy, Well, it probably goes back to my Seahawks
background a little bit, and that'd be Julius Brentz, the
corner from Kansas State. Again like at a time, and well,
we're talking about rare stuff.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
This guy's got rare stuff. He's got the.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Longest wingspan of any corner since Scout started doing the
wingspan thing.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
That was only like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Year we didn't always do the wingspanl He's the longest
corner on record. He's an eleven six broad jumper, he's
a forty two inch vertical jumper. And the difference between
him and most sixty three corners, I mean, this guy's
got fluid movement skills. And again, Richard Sherman came out.
I was way too low on Richard Sherman. I got
caught up in some of his movement. I didn't give
him enough credit for his high level instincts and ball skills.

(44:29):
This guy can move now, man, he is fluid. He
had a great week down here. I just think you
know the upside of the player, Hardy. How do you
throw around a guy that's six foot three with pterodactyl arms,
that can that can jump out of the gym.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
I mean, just put the ball around him. He's gonna
he's gonna find a way to go get it.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
How many pounds is hey, what's the way at He's.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Two hundred pounds, So we're talking a six three trend corner.
He reminds me of a guy named Ben Saint ju
Just who starts for the Washington Commanders right now. Ben
went the third round out of Minnesota a few years
ago when we had him here, and I think Julie
is coming out, you know, probably probably going to be
a higher draft pick than than Ben. They're just similar
body to guy. So yeah, man, I again my sea

(45:08):
hockey thing at corner. Give me some Julius prints.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I love it. Jim a couple quick rapid fire questions
for you before we let you go. Your favorite player
to ever enter the Senior Bowl and play Senier Bowl Week,
as you were the executive director of the past five years,
who's the guy that you look back on, You're like, gosh,
I was so happy to have that guy down in Mobile.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
I would say Justin Herbert, And I would say that
for a couple of reasons, Like Justin was already going
to be at worst a mid first round pick, right
Like he wasn't going to get out of the middle
of the first round. He still chose to come down here,
put himself out there in the greatest part about it
with the narrative on Justin was oh, he's introverted. You
know what kind of leadership, you know what kind of

(45:53):
competitor is this guy? And I think he put all
that to rest down here in Mobile. I mean he
connected with his teammates again, similar to Bryce Young, who
he talked about. I mean, Justin's comfortable in his own skin,
he's genuine teammates, all that from him, and I just think,
you know, having him down here and him buying into
what he could get out of Senior Bowl Week.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Man, I'll always be indebted to him, and he's.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
He's one of the guys like he followed up after
the game and called me and thanked me for letting him.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Go down, and he was the MVP of that day.
I remember I was like, what.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Are you talking about, Like, you don't need to thank me, man,
I need to thank you for coming and being a
part of this thing.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I'll never forget interviewing him, but right before the draft
in twenty twenty, it was the COVID year and he
had won Rose Bowl MVP, Senior Bowl MVP, and the
narrative was he can't lead, he can't win a big game.
He can't you know, he's got no alpha skills. He's
just a robot that could throw. And I remember asking
him about it and he says, I'm going to cut
you off right there, respectfully. And you know it's him

(46:47):
with the long hair and he's got the look. And
he says, just before even going with that, can you
just do me a favor and ask some of my
teammates before we even mentioned that kind of commentary. And
I'm like, wow, that's a good answer. I like that.
So he's one of those quiet, confident guys and their
leaders lead in different ways. And Justin Herbert's not gonna
be the loudest guy. He's not gonna be great on
NFL films, Mike up. But I think you saw what

(47:07):
we all saw the last few years back when you
had him at the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
And I've said this before, but like you watch after
the game, there's a shot. There was a shot on
the NFL network post game when all the players are
coming out and shaking hands and doing stuff. Man, it
was both teams big small. I mean it didn't Matt like,
everyone kind of was gravitating up to Justin. And for
that to materialize over the course of like literally seven
days that some of those you know, that respect, even

(47:36):
if it was just the respect level, says a lot.
But no, man, it's and it's been awesome to watch
him his career kind of take off. I can't wait
to see what he's going to do this year with
Kellen Moore in La.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Jim, your words carry so much waiting around the league.
You're one of the most respected guys when it comes
to not only the NFL Draft, but just personnel and
scouting in general. No one's got a bad word to
say about you, and you're doing a fine job with
the Senior Bowl. I can't I can't thank you enough
for joining the podcast. It was the perfect guest and
this is the perfect conversation before the draft about ten
days out as we're recording.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
This, well, Peter, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Man.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
That's really nice. It's awesome to be on the show. Man.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
I'd love to love to come on again. Maybe we
can do it after the draft or something. But love
you're working Good Morning Football man, love the show. You
guys do an awesome job, so entertaining, such such a
great thing to wake up to every day.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
We got it in the office.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
Whoever comes into the Senior Bowl office every day, whoever
gets in first has to turn the TV on and
it's always on. It's always on Good Morning Football. So
when we walk in here every day, are you guys
are on with us?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Take that straight hand and Robin Roberts and George Stepanopolis
eat it. Yeah, thank you, I appreciate it. We'll take
the viewers in Mobile, Alabama all day long. Jim Naggy,
you're awesome, dude. Executive director of the Senior Bowl and
as plugged in as anybody with this stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Thanks dude, yep, thanks Peter.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
That was fun. Aaron, I'm gonna ask you, you think we
could do this. We could put up a tweet either
from my Twitter thing or whatever. But we have a
two side by side lists players we love and it's
Jim Naggy's five names and it's my five names, and
viewers and listeners can go google all the highlights and on.
So maybe we'll do that. Maybe we'll ask for that

(49:11):
in addition to getting a good social media clip. Draft
is now less than ten days away. I feel pretty good,
and I got to tell you I'm excited for it.
It's a sports event that has no agenda other than
just good Vibes guys getting drafted, and every team and
fan base is like feeling positive. Can I tell you

(49:33):
that I saw a movie that I think is like
maybe I don't know if it's my favorite movie, but
like just like good Vibes movie, it felt like a
throwback and I have to talk about it, and I
know you haven't seen it yet. I loved Air with
Damon and Affleck and I went into this thing, dude,
like alright, I get it. It's another it's a bite

(49:53):
of the apple because the last dance was popular and
everyone's Michael Jordan, okay, and now we're gonna do the
Michael Jordan's Shoe movie. I kind of roll my eyes
and affleck. I see him on you know, US Weekly
and with j Low, and he's doing one hundred interviews
promote this thing, and I'm like, here's the scenario. My
wife's best friend, Courtney, was getting married on Saturday, and

(50:14):
she's a bride'smaid in the wedding, and it was one
of those deals like where it was like I was
in my twenties again and I'm not a part of
the wedding party. My wife's getting hair and makeup done
at ten am, and I had all day and no agenda,
nothing to do, I had no responsibilities. So me and
another one of the bride'smaid's husbands we went to see

(50:36):
this movie. And I come in at ten thirty in
the morning to a movie theater. This is like the
greatest day you can imagine for a guy who's got
a six week old child at home and a six
year old child who's keeping me up at all hours,
Like get to go to this movie. And from the
very start where it starts with dire straits money for
Nothing as the opening song. It is a just a

(50:58):
soundtrack from nineteen eighty four of hits. I don't know
how Amazon had the budget for this thing. They had
born in the US. They have like, you know, massive
hits from start to finish, and they go with the
movie and every song has a link to the story
and the story itself. There was no romance in the movie.

(51:18):
There were no politics in the movie. It was you know,
I'm rooting for this little upstart, the corporate behemoth Nike,
Like that's how you come up. You're like, oh, capitalism rules.
At the end, like it's the it's a fun movie
and it's just soaked in nostalgia and the way that
you know, Ben Affleck plays Phil Knight. I've read Shoe Dog.

(51:39):
I have such great reverence for everything about Phil Knight,
and then Affleck comes in and kind of takes the
piss out of them but kind of doesn't and it's
just you appreciate all of it. If you are a
sports movie fan. It is the most low investment, low
stakes movie you can watch. There is a ninety minute
movie that you can watch, enjoy, be just dripped in

(52:00):
eighties nostalgia. If you love hoops, if you love you
know the story of how Nike beat out Adidas, end
and converse to get Michael Jordan. I can never imagine
this being a feature film. I absolutely loved it.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Oh man, well, I'm excited to see it. It reminds
me a little bit of a Showtime where they have
the whole storyline in Showtime about Magic Johnson, winning Time,
Winning Time, about the Showtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah, winning Time.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
It's funny because in that one, it's like, here's Jerry West,
Here's Magic Johnson, and their portrayals are at times they
weren't favorable, and they certainly weren't well liked by the subjects.
Michael Jordan has one word in this movie. You don't
see his face. It's all about his mother. It's all
about Sonny Vaccaro, who was the Nike basketball guy. And

(52:51):
then I'll tell you put Damon Bateman an Affleck in
a movie. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it's Jason Bateman,
not the greatest, like third man in on a movie
I've never seen Ozark. I love Teen Wolf too, like
I have a lot of heart for Bateman. I love
Arrested development, but like he is perfectly casted in this movie,

(53:11):
and Viola Davis is perfectly casted in this movie. Can
you do me a favorite? Can you see it this
week so we could talk about it next week? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, I have to see that in Mario, so that'll
take probably total of three hours, right.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Both just like they're like fast food and I don't
even know when Amazon's putting it on Amazon Prime, Amazon
Prime but partner of the NFL, by the way, probably soon.
It's you don't have to rush to the theater. But
like when they start with ah wan my MTV, I'm like,
all right, I'm in, let's go. And I don't know.
The movie was awesome. I loved it, So there you go.
My movie recommendation. Air. The NFL Draft is almost here.

(53:47):
Everybody tune in to watch. Please watch the NFL Network version.
I respect mel kiper, I like Rees Davis. I don't
know who else is on their crew, but I'm on
the NFL network, So please watch NFL Network. We've got
a really good group and for three days, I would
appreciate the viewership. You listen to my podcast, you might
as well watch us on TV. It's US DESPN we're partners,

(54:07):
but truly, I'm asking you to watch NFL Network. It
does us all a lot of good and I can't wait.
It's in Kansas City. It's one of my favorite cities
in the country. It's one of my favorite football towns. Aaron,
thank you for joining me on this podcast. We'll be
back next week. I don't know what we're doing exactly.
I actually think we're gonna record another one this week.
We'll see, and it's gonna be lightning fast and a quick,

(54:29):
rapid fire mock draft with someone that I really respect,
and I think it'll be really good. But until then,
The Season with Peter Schrager. Thank you to the iHeart folks,
Jason English and the House. As always, Aaron, thanks to you,
thanks to everyone at the NFL Network, and let's go
Draft season, best time of year. The Season with Peter

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