The Season with Peter Schrager: Wall Street Journal Columnist Jason Gay

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The Season with Peter Schreger is a production of the
NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, Welcome to
the Season with Peter Schreger. I'm smiling here as I'm

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recording this because it's.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
The last week of August.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
We've got the NFL's regular season kickoff rapidly approaching, and
football is in the air. I'm joined by my wonderful producer,
mister Aaron wan Kaufman. Aaron, are you feeling the football
in the air right now?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Or is this just me?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Because I'm doing Good Morning Football and after three hours
and I see the light at the end of the
tunnel of talking about preseason football and cuts.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
No, or I mean there was a huge weekend of
preseason games, some blowouts. I mean this was I'm getting
ready and like roster cuts are happening, and so you're
seeing getting a sense of who's going to be on
every team and who might be changing hands, like the
John Taylor News and so I'm very excited it is

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it's starting.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I want to start today's podcast with a little riff
on the Jets. It's time now, like to put up
her shut up? And that's before the season even starts,
but this has been in my memory, the most dramatic
and positive and optimistic training camp in preseason. I can

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remember covering the NFL for the New York Jets, usually
at Doom and Gloom franchise, And yet when they started
Rogers on a Saturday night game against the Giants and
the Snoopy Bowl at MetLife, and Rogers hits Garrett Wilson
on that touchdown and you actually see it all and
you can vision it, I started.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
To think, like, what if the Jets actually do this thing?

Speaker 1 (01:59):
And like what would that mean not only for New
York City and for New Jersey and Connecticut and Westchester
and Long Island in all those areas, but like what.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Would that mean for the Jets franchise as a whole?

Speaker 4 (02:12):
Like they have been the punchline, the joke, the pinata,
the punching bag, you name it for at least a decade,
and yet there they.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Were the ones, mind you Aaron going against the twos
from the Giants defense, and they moved the ball right
downfield and Rogers throws one of those perfect Rogers passes
back shoulder fade touchdown, and then I look at the
roster Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks in
NFL history. He could still play football. Sauce Gardner won

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NFL's Defensive Rookie of the Year and was an All
Pro in his first season at corner. Quinn Williams one
of the best defensive tackles and disruptors in all of football.
Garrett Wilson won NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year as
a wide receiver, with Zach Wilson, Mike White, and Chris
Streveler throwing him passes last year. Bryce Hall's a stud.
Dalvin Cook is a four time Pro Bowler. Alan Lazard

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might be the best blocking receiver.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
In the NFL. Weird thing to say, but he might be.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Plus a really relied upon guy for Aaron Rodgers who
he brings with him from Green Bay. You go down
the roster of these players, I didn't mention CJ.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Moseley.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I haven't mentioned Elijah Vera Tucker, who's an outstanding offensive lineman,
and it's like, it is kind of possible, and as
much fun as we've been having with this Jets hard
knock season, and as much fun as it is to be, like, Wow,
the Jets for the.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Super Bowl, what if? What if the only thing that's going.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
To stop the Jets, besides a difficult schedule and besides
the inexperience from a lot of these guys in big games,
is going to be that offensive line. I think the
most fascinating moment of the entire NFL weekend came from
the press conference after their victory over the New York

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Giants on a Saturday, meaningless preseason game, and it was
Aaron Rodgers top came about Makai Beckton.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Aaron, if you're not familiar, and I know some of
the listeners aren't.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
In the Jets blogs and the Reddit every day, Makai
Beckton was a top ten pick for the New York Jets,
and in his first seven games as a pro was
maybe the most dominant rookie offensive tackle the sport has
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
He was swallowing.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
People, he was protecting the quarterback, but also dominant in
the run game. And then he got injured, and then
he missed a year, and then he missed another year,
and then he put on weight, and Mackai beckten became
this punchline of sorts, and also in the social media era,
a guy who would respond to a lot of the

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tweets and internalize it and then respond in a way
that I don't think we ever familiar with. People would
call him fat, he would respond, people would call him lazy.
He would respond, it's been a long time since we've
seen the Mackai Beckton that we saw his rookie year.
And yet this offseason, every single day, McKai Beckton would
take a selfie of his photo and be like getting

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a network in and you would see his weight drop
from this three hundred and fifty pound giant offensive lineman
who is just unpolished and to all of a sudden like, okay, there's.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
A physique there.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
And you would hear stories out of the Jets camp
and I talked to the coaches that like, no, Becton's playing, well,
he's getting there.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
He's getting there.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
There's always a hint of hesitation of being like Becdon
is back or Benden is going to be that guy
this year when I talk to Jets' sources. However, he
is light years ahead right now as we head towards
the season as he was a year ago, and McKai
Beckton might be the most important young Jets player on
this roster of course, Rogers and Sala and Nathaniel Hackett

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might be the key the key players in this thing.
But if Beckden is good and Rogers is protected on
the right hand side of that offensive line, there's a
chance the Jets do fulfilled expectations. But the most important
SoundBite came from Rogers. I want you to listen to
Aaron Rodgers talking about the much belagued fourth year offensive

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tackle for the New York Jets, Mackai Beckton.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I like mckaye.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
I like MacKaye a lot. I think he's a guy that,
just like all of us, we all want to feel
like we belong, you know, we want to feel like
we're part of this thing and that we're part of
the group. And whether by his own doing or or
just the way things fell, I think he might not
have felt that way. And it's normal when you're when

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you're on age reserve, and I've been a couple of times,
it's it's a tough place to be because you feel
isolated from the team, you're outside of you know, you're
not maybe traveling as much or not in the meetings.
So I think it's been a conscious effort by all
of us to make him feel like, you know, he's
a part of this thing. He's so talented, he's he's
humongous and he's athletic for a man who's six's eight

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three fifty and so I'm excited about seeing him out there.
He's a big, big teddy bear on the inside. So
I've been enjoying getting to know him. He's a fierce
competitor on the field, though, and I'm excited about having
him out there.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
And I think that's exactly what Mabel Kai Becton needs.
He needs love, he needs compassion. He's been beat up
pretty bad. And look, I know what you're saying. So
what he's an NFL player, like be in shape, that's
all you have to worry about.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Go do it. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I still think of Becton as a twenty four year
old kid, and he's got a young child of his own,
and he spoke about that this week as well, and
what that means as far as maturity goes.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I'm hoping for him and if he can.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Return to form like he was those first seven games
of his NFL career, watch out, Jets have another star
in their hands. And if he doesn't, watch out this
could tumble fast and this could be ugly for the Jets.
Beckton might be that most important piece that no one's
talking about, and as he goes, the New York Jets
may go. So on the topic of Rogers, I look
at the future and say, all right, who's gonna be

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that next young quarterback? And as I obviously focus on
the NFL, Saturday is my time to just watch football recreationally.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
And I've got a dude.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm gonna be watching this kid every game and I
cannot wait to see the fireworks he has. Kleb Williams,
it's no shocking name. He was the Heisman Trophy winner
last year, but gosh, he was fun to watch on Saturday.
Cliff Kingsbury, as we talked about last week, is a
pala mine. He's now coaching with USC and he was
hitting me up all week like you just try to

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find like you gotta watch us, you gotta you know.
So I have the package with all the sports channels
I get on Pack twelve network. It's actually a pretty
good listen. It was Ted Robinson and Yogi Roth. I
like what they do. I'm like, all right, this is
a good broadcast. I haven't watched a PAC twelve network
in years. I know that they went through their own
negotiation issues this past few months.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Put it on. This kid's amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's amazing, And I'm trying to temper my expectations because
I'm sure I did the same exact thing when I
saw Trevor Lawrence or when I saw de Sean Watson.
And I'm not want to put him in that conversation
yet because he hasn't done anything this season, but he
is the reigning Heisman Trophy winner and the player talking
about and I'm not sure if we have the YouTube
or the video that we could do that's to play.
The ball is hiked over his head on one bounce

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as he's spinning around, he picks it up and he
hurls at seventy yards on a dime to the receiver
who was streaking for a touchdown. And in that moment,
I'm like done, I'm good. I don't need to see
anything else. I don't need to hear like, I don't
need to see an interview.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I know I can work with that. I know that
that play alone works at the NFL level. He's got
the build, he's got all the makeup all that stuff.
And I talked to Cliff and he's like, comes from
a great family, you know, he's a DC kid, So
like he's not, you know, one of these guys who's
never left home.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
He was at Oklahoma, now he's here.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
He's already done the journey, and like, we're looking at
what might be the next great NFL quarterback. And he
did it in Week zero against San Jose State. I'm
circling it out.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Aaron.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
We had on Jed Fish, coach of Arizona last week.
He and I have been texting ever since. Arizona plays
at USC October seventh. I'm praying it's not one of
those ten thirty ESPN games that like, you know, it's
I'm already asleep. I've got to be up at four

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thirty the next morning. Put it in put it in writing.
Right now, I will be going to the coliseum to
see Caleb Williams Verus Jedfish's Arizona Wildcats.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Will you fly in and attend with me?

Speaker 6 (10:27):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
I don't want to travel.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
That's all right, thanks, though, you know, I've got I
have something that night. I think there's a I'm going
to rewatch the Mario movie.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
So yeah, you're to rewatch the Mario movie. Okay, understood.
I'll be there for you. Caleb.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
One last thing, Aaron, as we record this, we're doing
this some on Tuesday. It's NFL cut day, So by
four o'clock, every team needs to go from ninety minut
on the roster to fifty three men on the roster.
You've read all the tweets from all the journalists being like, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
A very sad day for so many young men. Be
sensitive and you should be sensitive. I think it goes
without saying.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
No one's you know, celebrating guys getting cut. There are
great stories though, and that's what I like rally around.
I know, guys getting cut socks, but there are guys
who make teams, and I want to shout out because
I got a text during the show that this guy
was making it.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Do you know who Tyson Badgint is not at all?
Tyson Badgeant went to Division two Shepherd.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Okay, I'm googling Shepherd right now because I don't know
their logo.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I don't know what the team.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
The Shepherd football team is the Shepherd Rams.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay, Division two.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Tyson Badgeant's gonna be the Bear's number two quarterback this year.
Justin Fields and Tyson Badgeant. Let me explain how far
this guy has come. He showed us to the Senior Bowl.
His father is an arm wrestling champion, and the big
interview was his father did an interview and his father
like arm wrestled to all the reporters at the Senior Bowl.

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And everyone's like, who is this character? But credit to
our guy, Jim Naggy at the Senior Bowl identifying Tyson
Badgeant from Shepherd. So goes to the Senior Bowl, plays well,
the comes along obviously undrafted. No one took the Tyson
Badgint out of Shepherd. And then he latches on with
the Chicago Bears. And here's why you should go to

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the Senior Bowl and why you should do it. Do
you know who the coach was at the Senior Bowl.
It was Luke Getzi, who's the offensive coordinator of the
Chicago Bears. So he was the coach of the Senior Bowl.
He had a chance to be with Tyson Badgint. They
don't draft him, he says, come to Bears camp. Well,
they cut PJ. Walker a couple of days ago, PJ.
Walker was making two million dollars, long time veteran in
the league, and suddenly the door was opened for Tyson

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badgeint As everyone does the required and I don't do
it because I feel like it's it goes without saying
like today, please remember as you celebrate NFL football, thousands
of players are losing their jobs. Yes, we know it's
all that's us what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
We've been following the league forever.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
It sucks, and those guys will go on practice squads
or they won't in the dream ends, and we can
do that story the other day. I'm here to celebrate
a great one. Tyson Badgeant out of Shepherd will make
the Bears. He will dress in games, and it's one
of those stories where it's a come from nothing, undrafted
guy as Justin fields his backup. He's one play away
from being a starting quarterback in the NFL, and I
can tell you draft weekend that was probably not a possibility.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
So those are the.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Stories I rally around. We don't have to just focus
on in toush tones. The same people that love tweeting
out injury news and also love, you know, criticizing teams
and players for personnel decisions and firing coaches who are
all of a sudden, these sensitive souls who please remember
there are so many players who will be losing their joz.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yes, we know, we know.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Let's celebrate the good Tyson Badgant. What a cool story.
The Pride of Shepherd will be a Chicago Bears player
week one. And with that, Aaron full of I'm full
of gusto today. Man, I've got some pits and vinegar
in me and I'm ready.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Thank you you mean to do some arm wrestling today.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
I think I'm in regular season.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Well, I'm bringing out one of my favorite guys. Jason
Gay has been one of the great long form profile
writers of the last twenty five years. He's on incredible,
all encompassing pieces on Lindsay Vaughn, on Tom Brady. I
remember there was one that he did years ago on
Zach Galifanakis that was incredible. He does celebrity profiles. He

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also does a column in the Wall Street Journal, where
his job is Wall Street Journal Columnists, where I think
he could be the voice of a generation in a
lot of ways when it comes two sports columns. He's
really good and he's an old friend of mine, and
we're gonna have him on after this. Our guest this

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week is one of my favorite people in sports media
and one of my favorite guys in general. We used
to live in the same neighborhood in Brooklyn and we
would have like coffee dates and just talk about sports and.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Media and life.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And then he moved to Baltimore and now he is
my go to guy for anything and hey, what are
you hearing on this or what's your feel for this?
He is the columnist for the Wall Street Journal, and
he's one of the best writers you will ever read.
Mister Jason Gay Jason, Welcome to the season with Peter Scheger.

Speaker 7 (15:09):
I'm honored to be here, and yeah, it would be
far preferable if we were doing this on a bench
outside a coffee shop in our old neighborhood.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
But I want to.

Speaker 7 (15:17):
Clarify that we didn't always have a standing date. You
were just easy to find, you know, once you finish
the show, that was sort of your decompression time. I
think like between like ten and noon, you could be
fine reliably outside one of these places.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Dude, that is so true.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
So when I finished Good Morning Football, and I still
do this, I'll put on the headphones. I will listen
to a podcast and I'll just wander around. I mean,
it's the beauty of Brooklyn, it's the beauty of New
York City.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
You can just wander.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Usually it's anonymously, but then I would spot you and
I'd be like, yes, let's talk about Tour de France.

Speaker 7 (15:49):
Well, half the time I felt you were on the
phone with an agent, but the other part of it too.
For you, we're in different parts of our day. That is,
you were in the midday, at least for you. Right
you're winding the ship down. I am just getting turbo
charged on what I'm going to do next because I've
woken up a lot later than you have. Is it
at this point in your life, Peter, is it completely

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normal to wake up early? Because I've talked to people
who do morning television and they say it never actually
becomes totally normal.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
It's always hard.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
It always sucks, dude, it always sucks. When the alarm
goes off.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I'm excited to go to work because I love what
I do, but I still look at it and say,
is that.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Really a four? Like that is it the clock? Am
I staring at a four? Before that call?

Speaker 1 (16:34):
And my digital alarm clock next to my bed that
I'm like shushing so my wife doesn't wake up.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Truthfully, though, on weekends.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
When there's like nothing to do and my son doesn't
have it doesn't up at six am, or our daughter
isn't up at four, It like I could still sleep
to nine am.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
I think if I had to. I think if I
had a complete.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Silence and I was out in a hotel with absolutely
no distractions and no responsibilities, I could still sleep to
nine Could you with two kids and having a rip
and roar go of a job as well?

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Could you do that? It's un till nine am.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Ah, the kids are sleeping later, which I think is
the game changer. When the kids actually start to sleep
like teenagers, which they're not yet, but they're they're, you know,
getting there, that's when your life changes. Are you able
to get out like a cat burglar? I mean because
you have a full house yourself?

Speaker 6 (17:19):
Now? Are you able to get out without waking anybody?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Like a thief in the night dude?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
And there is no shower in the morning that would
wake the entire house. So it's interesting shower the night before,
guy water in the face brush the teeth and let's
go and then we go from there.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
And I think that's probably too much information for the listeners.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
However, it is important because you you were like such
a part of my Brooklyn experience, because you are real
pal and we would talk all the time. And then
you told me the news post COVID like we're moving
to Baltimore, We're getting some more space and I'm gonna
kind of be situated there, and very quickly you would
be texting me questions about the Ravens and giving me
thoughts on Lamar's contract. Give us State of the Nation

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Ravens right now, they're on the other end of the
Lamar stuff. And obviously Todd Monkin is offensive coordinator, Odell
is there as a superstar.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You feel it from the fan base.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I'm sure when you're at your you know, your son
and daughters athletics, or when you're at pickup from school,
people want to talk your ear off about their local team.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
State of the Nation.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
We're going into the regular season twenty twenty three, Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Jason Gay, what do we got?

Speaker 7 (18:23):
I mean, this town is America's leading sports town, Peter,
I don't need to tell you this you got Ravens fever,
but you also have bay Reels, the best team in
the American League as we speak, you know, and definitely
a playoff contender.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
It's great. I mean, it's a great vibe.

Speaker 7 (18:40):
You would think that actually the Orioles would sort of
compete against Ravens media, but I actually think it kind
of lifts all boats. This really does feel like a
sports town, which is, you know, this is a two
major league sports town, but it just there's a great
energy to it.

Speaker 6 (18:53):
I mean, I should backtrack a little bit.

Speaker 7 (18:55):
You and I both married into Baltimore family, so I'm
still a very much a stranger in a strange land.
I've been told reliably that if I live here for
fifty or sixty years, I'll start looking at me like
a local. But I very much I'm still a stranger.
But it's been just incredible to see. I mean, even

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in the two years since we've been here, Peter, we've
gone from some you know, pretty downbeat Oriel seasons to
say the least, some uneven raven seasons, real paranoia about
Lamar leaving, real paranoid about the contract situation.

Speaker 6 (19:30):
What was going to happen next to you? Know, I'm not.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
Saying people are making hotel reservations in February, Peter, but
I would not make reservations.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
And they're going to be a really fun team to watch.

Speaker 7 (19:42):
I think the excitement is partly a function of obviously
having you know, Lamar back and in the fold and
definitely committed to the team. But this is a new
look offense for them. There are some real weapons. There's
This is the sort of fantasy that people have hoped
for for a long time, Like what happens if you
take this guy who in and of himself is a top, top,

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top weapon in the league, but also give him the
toys that he has wanted for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Have has Odell been Because it's like when he was
in New York, he's the biggest superstar.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
We went to Europe last season.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
It was he was out of the league at the time,
he didn't have a team, he was on the injured list,
and we went to Germany and I'm talking to a
German fan and I'm like, all right, so mahomes are Brady,
Who's the biggest star? And he looked at me, this
German football fan, and said Odell Beckham and I'm like,
Odell's not even on a team right now, Dude, He's
like Odell Beckham is the biggest star in Germany.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
I'm like, why how he's like he's a sensation? Is
that how it feels?

Speaker 6 (20:40):
I believe it.

Speaker 7 (20:41):
Listen, you're also talking to a parent of a child
who went to Odell Beckham football.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
Camp, Peter, about three weeks ago.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
Standing room only. There were kids. I didn't know there
were this many kids in Greater Baltimore. I mean, every
kid in town seems signed up for this thing Odell.
As you know, in addition to sort of the obsessive
fan base of like adult NFL fans, he has all
the kids. The kids just love Odell, whether a combin,
the playing charisma, the hair, the whole thing. I think

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there's a lot of excitement about it. I'm leaning on
the skeptical side myself, right because we haven't seen him
since that Super Bowl. We haven't seen him in a
consequential football game. You know, age is a killer on
you know, talent positions like his. But if you're talking
about somebody who could be an option, if you're talking
about putting him in an offense with Bateman, with flowers.

Speaker 6 (21:30):
There's a lot of flowers exciting.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean, it's a ton uh.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I just I've been trying to picture it in my
head like this, like high flying passing Ravens offense. I
just don't see it because I've never seen it before.

Speaker 7 (21:43):
Well, the question is, of course, will be a protection question.
You can speak to this, I'm sure much more articulately
than I can.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
But like.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
You want Lamar to get all those reads right, You
want him to be able to make choices and not
be rushed and feel that he has to do something,
make magic himself, you know, be the kind of pocket
passer that he wants to be, and he's talked about
wanting to be and not just be his sort of
first option escape every time. If that kind of thing happens,
we should talk about the new offensive coordinator comes in

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from Georgia. That's a big deal. Lamar seems really energized
about that. I mean, just again, look, it's late August.
It's everyone's got the upbeat energy in pretty much every camp.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
But the vibes are good, all right.

Speaker 1 (22:29):
So I miss you for a lot of reasons, but
one of them being I think you would have had
a blast with this Rogers stuff in New York and
you could.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Still have it writing from Baltimore and coming in.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
But like, dude, there's such little things like when he
posts that he was with the cast of Chicago or
that he went and saw back to the future of
the musical. I'm like, this is Jason Gay's column, like
I'm writing it for like we need like you on
the ground here. What has been your impression from afar
even of the Rogers New York City marriage, And it's
been all good. And I've tell you, no one's penned

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the Day in the Life with Aaron Rodgers yet. But
my gosh, I hope you get that assignment and just
get a chance to follow him around walking around So
how I Becca for a day?

Speaker 6 (23:07):
I mean, Peter, you know this.

Speaker 7 (23:09):
We're now old enough to know that we've seen versions
of this movie before. The Jets are sort of famous
for getting the kind of you know, late autumn superstar
arriving in town with ambitions of bringing Jets football back
to the promised land of nameath.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
You know, quarterback position.

Speaker 7 (23:28):
It's happened before other skill positions, but Rogers is a
cut above and as much as I kind of want
to rain on this hype, and boy, I mean it's
just hype and hype. I mean I was giving you
grief yesterday about the fact that, like, oh wow, I'm
glad someone's finally paying attention to the Jets in the preseason.
I feel like it's like one team and then thirty

(23:48):
one other teams. I mean, the way that this Jets
thing has just taken off, and like, you know, they
should raise the August World Championship banner, I think in
the opener, right, But so I want to just dump
on all over it. But you know this again much
better than I do that the heart hardest possible thing
in football is to just figure out that quarterback position.

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And really, for the first time in a very long time,
you enter this season saying, there's a grown adult who
has this job, who's been here before. There's almost nothing
you can throw at him that he's not going to
have great deal of experience. He seems completely, you know,
revitalized in New York. I didn't know what to make
of that hype going in, but it definitely seems to

(24:32):
be a thing that he is good. Aaron Rodgers, right,
we haven't seen the Phantom of the opera version yet.

Speaker 6 (24:39):
I mean, that could happen, but.

Speaker 7 (24:42):
You know, and again that's a tough division, right, you know,
they are stacked the AFC East. That is a very
competitive division. They have two games against a lot of
quality opponents. But I don't know they have cracked the
one thing that is the hardest thing to crack. And
so as much as I want to be the big
rainclad here and mock the Jets, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I know.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I look at you as a writer and your stuff
is different. You're not necessarily going to talk about the
x's and a year more about the lifestyle and you
know how sports incorporates into our daily lives, into culture,
Like what would be the article if you were to
follow around Rogers FORER day and he's like, here, Jason,
here are the keys. Take me around your New York
or take me around something cool culturally? Like what would

(25:23):
you show him? Because honestly, I spoke to him. He's
been to Broadway, he's been to a couple of Knicks games,
a couple of Rangers games. He went to Carbone, which
is like, you know it's yes, it's carbone, but there's
a carbone in Vegas, you.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
Know, Yeah, well, I don't know if I'm giving away
any confidences here, but you spoke to him and that
was a big news making interview.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
Is he living on the Jersey side or is he
living in the city.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
He's living in Jersey. He's living I'll give you the
town because I think it's public now. He's living in Montclair,
New Jersey.

Speaker 6 (25:52):
Oh, with the half of the reporters in the city.
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Talk about the Montclair mafia.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
You've got all I think it's like it's like Stephen Colbert, right, and.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Then who else You've got all these different journalists.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
Right, yeah, Yeah, there's journalists for days in Montclair. That's
fair funny.

Speaker 7 (26:06):
It's too bad he doesn't have kids, because you could
see him at school pickups and stuff like that. I mean, look,
he's a very eccentric, charismatic guy, obviously incredibly talented. You
want to see him sort of light up the town.
But do you right, It's like I feel like the
second things go south, you know, people will be harping

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on him for that kind of thing if they go south.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
That is so yeah. I mean the time to join
New York, to appreciate New York probably was the early
part of this.

Speaker 7 (26:39):
I mean, I believe after he signed he went to
every single Nixon Rangers game for about two or three weeks.

Speaker 6 (26:46):
He was very active that way.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Again, what I find amusing, and I'm sure you do too,
is people in Green Bay are like, who's this guy?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
What right?

Speaker 7 (27:01):
I mean, because that was such an incredible psycho drama
the last bunch of seasons, and obviously, you know, it
was a pretty combative situation with the front office there.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
They're like, who's this guy? And then the other thing.

Speaker 7 (27:11):
Green Bay fans like to be snarky and say, call
us in November, you know, like like, let us know
how it's going.

Speaker 6 (27:18):
We'll see. I mean, listen, I feel the Jets.

Speaker 7 (27:22):
You know, they're this un you know, there's this frozen
cave man right lurking below the surface, and and and
you know, people are just so accustomed to it going south.
And were they to revitalize, were they to perform, even
if they were to just be playoff competitive, Peter, the
bar is low. This is not like Super Bowl or bust.
If the Jets were able to go in and win

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a couple of playoff games, gosh, we have not seen
that since the rec th Ryan ma Ja Kaki stays
it's been a while.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, all right, So you're gonna be coming into New
York the next couple of weeks for the US Open.
I'm not looking to do a huge breakdown of Alcarez
or Cocoa golf. But what I would say is I
have questions about the US Open experience because I think
it's maybe the best two weeks of New York and
if you can get there, you've got to.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
You'll be covering it for the Wall Street Nal as
you always do.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Writing about slice of life stuff, but also tracking it
as the tournament advances.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Where do the players stay?

Speaker 6 (28:14):
They stay all over.

Speaker 7 (28:15):
I mean you can stay as close as you know,
three blocks away at the Holiday Inn, Peter.

Speaker 6 (28:20):
You know, I know you like that Queen Day in
the hotel.

Speaker 7 (28:25):
Yeah, fantastic aquarium, you know, one of the great aquariums
in all of New York hoteling. Yeah, you can stay
all those places. Most of them stay in the city.
They have relationships, of course with some of the swankier hotels.
Depending on how fancy you are. You'll see it turn
up in a Instagram accounts, Peter. You know, when you
see the players saying like, what a wonderful stay at

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the one hotel. You know, then you know something's going on.
But yeah, most of them. You know, you see those
courtesy cars, those Mercedes Benz courtesy cars all over the
city at this time of year in midtown, that's a
pretty good indicator that that's where the players are. I
always this is one of my favorite things about the
US Open, Peter.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
They for years.

Speaker 7 (29:10):
I don't know if they have it this year because
I haven't been up yet, but they have had a
free parking for Mercedes owners.

Speaker 6 (29:16):
Okay, I know if you're I don't know if you're
a Mercedes.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We haven't quite made that movie yet.

Speaker 7 (29:22):
Some time, maybe that's a reason to get one, Peter. Okay,
you sit there, you're like, we could get the Dotson
or we get the Mercedes free parking US Open.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Let's do this. But yeah, that's a real thing that
existed for quite a while.

Speaker 7 (29:38):
I think it's one of the great, you know, sporting
experiences in New York City.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
I agree with you entirely.

Speaker 7 (29:42):
I think one of the things that makes the US
Open phenomenal is that there's a lot to see, you know,
especially if you go in the first week of the tournament,
when more and more seeds are still active in the tournament,
still competing. You can go there and watch at any
given moment a dozen matches.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
You know.

Speaker 7 (29:57):
You can watch it from you know, singles to doubles, women's, men's,
wheelchair tennis, junior tennis, all kinds of competitive events all
over the place. You don't have to start. It's just
as you know, for a tennis person, it's like Comic Con.
For somebody who is just sort of like a casual fan,
you know, wants an experience.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Good food, you know.

Speaker 7 (30:17):
Really good food, lots of booze, lots of places to
hang out. You know, it can get a little hot
around there, but there's shade, there's places you can go
and get out of the sun. It's pretty special and
you get around of your crowd then you get at
other Grand Slam events. I think part of it is
the booze. Part of it also is the night tennis.

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You know, that's the sort of big New York aspect
of this, that these players will be out there sometimes
you know, past midnight, playing sometimes deep into the morning.
And that's a really bizarre, unique experience as well, and
people love that.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I think you'd be happy to know that Eric and
I got married. And the specialty cocktail at her drink
was the Honey Deuce, which is really which is the
drink that they serve at the US Open.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It's Greg Goose vodka. It's too melon ball.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
And then it's a bunch of sugar and it's delicious.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Yes, you could keepuch sugar.

Speaker 7 (31:11):
You could keep the cup right, right, right right, and
and you keep the cup. I believe the price is
north of twenty dollars at the US Open now, and
if you have four of them, you will likely be
thrown out of the event because you'll be screaming at
the players to you know, pick up the base.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Real quick tennis stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
We saw the al KaAZ Djokovic final, those two and
then everybody else are is there another player you're watching
on the men's side.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
I think so.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
I mean, Carlos has been you know a little bit
up and down since Wimbledon, even though he won a tournament,
even though he's been active, he has you know, been
playing a little bit radically. He went through Cincinnati, you know,
going three sets and everybody had a spectacular final guesst Jokovic,
which he had match points to win. Didn't get it,
but that's the match everybody wants to see, because this

(31:58):
is the thing, Peter. Everyone expected men's tennis to be
like done, Oh my god, what are we're gonna do here?

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Right? Right right? And it's all sudden.

Speaker 7 (32:07):
It's like, I don't know, to give it a football analogy,
it's like drafting Joe Burrow on the heels of Tom Brady.
It's like you have this person coming in who might
redefine the sport altogether right on the heels and actually
being able to play against arguably the goat in tennis.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
That's a really neat thing to witness.

Speaker 7 (32:23):
Djokovic actually seems very motivated by this because all of
a sudden he's got this y nemesis.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
And Carlos is just super likable too.

Speaker 7 (32:32):
I don't know if you've gotten a chance to sort
of see him in interviews toes or his body demeanor.
I mean, just like guys excited, you know, loves playing tennis.
Is a happy, go lucky guy, and it just comes
out in the experience of watching him. I mean, he's
that's her rare category already at age twenty of like
he just pops off the screen.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
You know.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
Our favorite kind of athletes, Peter As, you know, are
those ones that like you don't have to know the
sport to be like, who's that? You know, I want
to know everything about that person, and he plays that way.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Your best celebrity encounter at a US open go.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
I actually remember seeing somebody at the absolute apex of Hamilton,
seeing lin Manuel Miranda like scarrying for a seat and
being like, oh my gosh. And he had the whole
like ponytail thing, like he.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Looked like he had just come from Hamilton.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
He wasn't in like, you know, colonial gear, but like, yeah,
that was pretty neat to see. I mean, there have
been some pretty great ones. Pretty much everybody who's anybody
comes through that event at some point.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
It's such a CNSB seen thing.

Speaker 7 (33:33):
Andy Murray had a very interesting super fan for a
very long time, Sean Connery.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
So super Connery.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
From the same town, I know, I don't think so
there were Scotts.

Speaker 7 (33:43):
They're both Scotts, and so he was a super fan
of Anny Murray and Sean Connery. Not a very showy celebrity,
like you would have pulled down very low, you know,
that kind of thing, but Yeah, everybody comes through there.
I just did a Carlos piece in which I talked
to Jimmy Butler for this. So Carlos is big super fan.
Is Jimmy Butler?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
What?

Speaker 6 (34:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, what's just Jimmy.

Speaker 7 (34:07):
Jimmy's a huge tennis guy, been a tennis guy for
a long time. Actually did an event at the US
Open a couple of days ago with Carlos where they
hit around a little bit. Jimmy's a serious tennis guy,
you know. He's an international dude. When I talked to
him about Carlos, you already said to me, Peter said,
I actually should be doing this in Spanish with you,
but I'm going to assume you don't speak Spanish, so

(34:28):
we'll just do this in English.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
Okay, you got me on this.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
But he's a major Carlos super fan. Uh but yeah, listen,
I mean name it. Last night, Michelle and Barack Obama
in the audience to watch Cocoa golf and Novak.

Speaker 6 (34:43):
Djokovic, So they really draw him in there.

Speaker 7 (34:45):
Peter, and I should say, Peter Trigger shows up occasionally.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm there. I'll never forget are you box only or
are you been in a box? And there have been
in a box.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I go, I get the I get I buy my
own seats. I've never covered it as a journalist.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
I just have to go.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I like going during the day session. I'll leave good
Morning Football, and I'll take this. I actually take this
is a nice little hack.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
If you're listening in New York.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Don't take the subway because it takes forever. Take the
Long Island railroad to Metz Willett's point. It's a much
more luxurious trip on the train. Instead, get off and
it's probably won every hour, and then you just get
jepped off at where City Field is and you walk
right over to the stadium.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
But i will go. I'm thinking I'm gonna go Labor Day.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
I'm gonna take my son, and I think we're gonna
go and we're gonna check it out. But I'll never forget.
Probably like ten years ago, I'm sitting there and we
went on maybe the Friday before the finals. It was
like back then, it was like not Super Saturday, but
the Friday was awesome. You would get the women's semis
and then like the doubles finals and it was women's

(35:47):
semis and it was an incredible, incredible match between like
Serena and I forget who she was against at the time,
might have been Sloma.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
What's his name? Hallip? What was her name? Might have
been that.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
And there was a woman in front of me, and
I'm like, this is the most beautiful woman I've ever seen.
She's six foot ten, she looks like she's got a
hair of it. And she turns around and she's like,
are those good? And she was pointing at the drink
I was drinking, which happened to be the Honeyduce, and
I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's Shirlie's Farron, just sitting there
with the with the with the sweaty masses of fools
out there.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And it was the coolest thing. And I'm like, that's
the US opening a nutshell.

Speaker 7 (36:23):
Did you say that to Erica when you guys had
your wedding planning, You're like, this is Shirlie's Urn's favorite drink.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Eric's like, what is with this Honeyduce? It's like, no, no,
we have to do it for our wedding.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Why it has no connection to the two of us.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
We must do it.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
All right, here's the exercise we're gonna do because season
starts next week. And I think you're one of the
great profile writers of all time.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
And I mean that.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
And this is like you're like, Okay, don't make me
blush with Frank the Ford and Gary Smith and all
these guys.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
But for a while there, when like.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Jason Gay did a big profile and a player or
an athlete or an owner, I'm like, I'm reading it
no matter what. And I'd say probably ten fifteen years ago,
magazines had these giant budgets and they would give you
an X amount of dollars and say, go spend a
week with this player, or go spend a week with
this celebrity, and go write this amazing profile and it'll

(37:18):
be in a cover of whether it be Vogue or
it be Vanity Fair in your case, GQ or The
New York Observer, whatever it was. Here's the exercise we're
going to do. There are so many personalities in football
right now, and it's players, it's coaches.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
It's owners.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
We're going to do a draft, a fantasy draft, and
I am the editor and you are the writer, and
I'm going to give you a giant budget and a
one week deadline to spend as much time as you
need unfiltered with this athlete or this coach or this owner,
this person out of the NFL, and we're going to
do a draft three players or owners or whoever's each

(37:56):
and we're going to do who we would pick if
we could do a celebrity profile on anybody, and do
it old school GQ magazine style, back in the day
when they would spend unlimited amounts of money just to
get the best photos and the best articles written. That's
the build up, Jason Gayer, first on the clock. The
first figure in our NFL world that you would want
to do a giant profile on is whom.

Speaker 7 (38:19):
Okay, well, I'm going to be a huge homer here
and I'm going to take somebody who has been profiled,
you know, quite well in other places.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
But you know, I would love to get my whack
at it.

Speaker 7 (38:29):
I had an opportunity to speak to him last year,
but I'd love to get a lot of time with him,
the one and only.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
Justin Tucker, I thought.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
You were going somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Do not expect the kicker, did not expect to the
first overall pick being an undrafted kicker.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
Go on, he's the goat. I mean, Peter.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
We can say this can we I mean, you're the
football expert here. Is he a goat among us already?
Is that clear?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yes, he's the greatest kicker to ever kick a football.
There's no doubt.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Vine Terry might have more rings, But you're talking you
need one kick to win a game.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Justin Tucker's the.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Guy and talking to him, I'm going to make a
terrible analogy, but like he's like sort of like a
quantum physicist. I mean, he is somebody who does not
look at kicking as this hysterile, repetitive act. That looks
at it from so many incredible variables and just to
hear his brain operate around the way you kick the

(39:23):
all the things he can alter, the fact that he
feels he can always get better, which is sort of
an obsessive quality that I love. And also the fact
that he's rich as hell for doing this one thing.
Peter Right, It's like and he has just pinnacle respect.
Nobody sweats him, like he just occupies this airspace. I mean,
I always think of the kicker as like the first

(39:45):
person pushed off the bus on the football team, right always,
but he could make the cases.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
He's the last guy, right, I mean with the Ravens.

Speaker 7 (39:53):
I mean, and then you know that stadium is in
a part of town where like it's near the water,
like it's if you're going to be kicking like sixty
two yard field goals, you would not put a stadium
right now, right. I just think he be a fascinating dude.
And and you know, I think the relationship between a
kicker and a city. I wrote this in the Journal

(40:14):
last year when I talked to him about like how
many towns, Peter do you go to?

Speaker 3 (40:18):
It?

Speaker 6 (40:18):
I'm asking of you, where.

Speaker 7 (40:20):
You see the kicker jersey in high quantity? Is there
any other city besides Tucker? It's just Tucker, that's it.
He's number three. By the way, it's Lamar Andrews Tucker.
I got that from the Ravens.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Now.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
I'm sure Odell's up there now. Yeah, but last year
it was, yeah, it was it was Lamar Andrews and Tucker.
In terms of jerseys, he just I mean, there's been
nobody like him, and so I think all that territory
would be really cool.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
That's really interesting because he is the best at what
he does and it's of all time, and he does
look and act as if he's just a normal guy too.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Obviously, I've met him and you've met him.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
He has the opera stuff, which has been done a
million times, but just from a pure athleticism standpoint, what
he does, he's the greatest at his craft to ever
do it, which is pretty incredible.

Speaker 7 (41:06):
He walks around as a normal human in society. He
does not stand out physically. He does not like you know,
he's not sort of a booming, charismatic crazy guy. I mean,
he definitely has his eccentricities, as we alluded to, but
like he's definitely I mean, I just feel like there's
lots of.

Speaker 6 (41:22):
Two on there. Another one, Okay, this one is a
little bit more serious.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
And so wait, do I get to pick? I want
to pick?

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Let's we're going back and forth. Oh it's a snake
it's not a snake draft.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Okay, just a regular draft. I'm gonna go. So you're
justin Tucker's off the board.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'm going to give you one that I thought you
were going with, pretty obvious, and yet I don't think
the comprehensive post retirement piece has been done.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I want to I want a week with Brady.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I want to know what the hell's going on and
I want to know what's going on through his head
and what his life's like, and what it's like for
the first time in twenty something years to not be
playing football.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
I saw him on TV that he's now.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
He's like at the Vegas preseason game, and he's sort
of there as a minority owner, but he's also sort
of there.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's like Tom Brady celebrity.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
And I know he's supposed to take over the Fox
gig next year all intentions, it seems like he is.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
But this year, this moment in time, tom Brady out.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Of football as a player, before he goes into being
a broadcaster, post divorce, pre whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
This next chapter is like, I am fascinated.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
At what's going on with Brady, and it could go
a lot of different directions too. I don't think this
would be one of those glory you know, filled like
hero worship pieces. I feel like I want the real stuff.
I want to know what's really going down, and I
feel like it hasn't been done yet.

Speaker 7 (42:40):
My question would be, as your editor, would be, do
you think you can get it out of him? You know,
is he in a place in his life where he's
willing to go there with you?

Speaker 6 (42:50):
Now.

Speaker 7 (42:50):
I did get the opportunity to spend a little time
talking to him a couple of seasons ago, and he's
definitely less guarded than he was at New England for sure,
you know, much more you know direct, and we saw
him like interviewed on the shop.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
You know, is sort of showing aside the that you
hadn't seen before.

Speaker 7 (43:07):
However, sort of like a skilled politician, he has this
ability to kind of give you the Tom Brady experience
without giving you Tom Brady like sort of like you know,
throw an F.

Speaker 6 (43:18):
Bomb in there, like a candle here and there.

Speaker 7 (43:20):
You're like wow, But then when you get back in
your role the tape, you're like, oh wait, it's not
totally the whole thing. He's very skilled that way.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
There's obviously an incredible amount to talk to him. I mean,
like look just off the top of my head, I
mean obviously, you know, the personal life stuff was pretty
messy last year, the whole FTX thing with him, Yes,
all that stuff, you know, and like he's this guy
who's trying to navigate being you know, he in front
of him is the idea that he could be like

(43:51):
the next like Michael Jordan Arnold Palmer type, the person
who is the sport right, Yes.

Speaker 6 (44:00):
But it hasn't exactly worked right.

Speaker 7 (44:02):
It's like the clothing brand came and like a little
bit of a splash, but I don't think it sort
of took off in the manner that they were hoping
it would do. He's had sort of very sort of
all over the place kind of endorsements over the years.

Speaker 6 (44:18):
You know, he's not a normal dude. I mean, you
can't win like that.

Speaker 7 (44:22):
You know, you can't be that person and have that
kind of life and be exactly normal. I'd be curious
to see what you could pry out them. Hopefully you
can do better than I did.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I appreciate it. I think he'd be really interesting if
he was honest. You're right, And I don't know if
anyone's going to get that side of him. All right,
you're up next?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Who you go with?

Speaker 7 (44:38):
Okay, Peter, it's another kicker. This is more serious. I
think Andy Reid. I think Andy Reid is somebody who
has had incredible triumph and tragedy in his life. He has,
you know, had a family that has had incredibly tragic
circumstances and tough stuff and perseveres and I'd be very

(45:03):
interested in sort of knowing more about what what sort
of makes him operate, what sort of motivates him, what
his sort of inner dialogue is. Like I have to
figure that he is this master compartmentalizer, somebody who can,
you know, keep on plugging away through terrible things that
have happened. And I just think that's a that's a
compelling story. That is the definition of sort of like

(45:25):
a DeFord Gary Smith classic from back in the day.
In fact, I imagine those were done when he was
with the Eagles, because you know, some stuff was happening
then too, but even now in sort of like the
sort of golden era of his football respect, there's a
lot to go there.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
I get a chance every year at dinner at the Combine,
Brett Veitch, the GM and Andy Reid invite me to dinner.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
And I'm not name dropping or anything. It's a cool
thing I get to do.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
They take me out and it's a few other people
and I met a table with them, and Andy's nothing
but sweet and incredible, And he's not as maybe you'd
expecting to be loud, and like with the Hawaiian Suran,
that's not him.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
He's sweets.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, and he's a kind man, but I too. Every
time I'm talking to him, there's this like hole in
my heart thinking about the tragedies that he's gone through,
obviously with his kid.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
And then I start thinking.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Okay, and then how do you also become the most beloved,
giving warm coach to so many players? And then the
thing with Andy that's so incredible is we talk about
the Belichick coaching tree. Andy Reid's coaching tree blows Belichick's
out of the water, and those guys have great success,
whereas Belichick's don't have as much.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
So great call on that one.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
I'm going to go a coach also for my second pick,
a guy who I got a chance to become really
close with last year, but I want to see him
in this moment in time. I want the definitive Sean
Payton piece. And if Jarrett beldon't do a great enough
job already doing it once, I almost want to double
dip and go back and do it again. And see
now that his comments were taken and put in print
and he had to suffer the blowback from all that.
But Sean is I've said this before, and I don't

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know if I've said it on this podcast or whatever.
Not that I judged a book by a cover wrong,
but like for years I've been covering the NFL ty years,
Sean Payton and I had no relationship, and I always
deferred to the fact that, like Jay Glazer works on
Fox with me that.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Is Jay Glazer's guy.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
I would be really annoyed if I had a coach
and all of a sudden, like a younger guy came
in and was constantly like.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Hey, coach.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I also don't think that coach would want to open
up to me. But we were put together on this
TV show last year. And this is after I've been
I've called ten different Sean Payton games. I met him
been production meetings have been nothing but kind, but not
like Schrigger, here's my number. I didn't have his number nothing.
We became really close and I freaking loved his energy,
like high energy, hilarious, encyclopediac mind parcels quotes, Churchill quotes

(47:45):
like history, buff Love's pop culture has a young spirit
like and I. And this is the second chapter of
his career where it's like, all right, Saints thing broadcasts
and now I'm going to try to revitalize the Broncos.
I think it's a really cool moment in time. And
we've got to pick like playoff teams in a week
for Good Morning Football, and I'm tempted to put the
Broncos in. And yet there is no evidence other than

(48:08):
the fact that I trust Sean Payton that they are
a football team. But yet that fact alone, Jason, that
might be enough for me to say, like, the Broncos
are going to the playoff, Sean Payton won't let them fail.

Speaker 7 (48:16):
Now, it's funny because you work both sides of the
street on that story, because of course you were the
one who went to Aaron a couple of weeks later
or days later and asked him about it, and Aaron
bit right back. But I have to think that like
when you see something like that, you know, those amazing
quotes that came out of Peyton's mouth and just sort
of like, you know, I think we can say like
sort of like breaking.

Speaker 6 (48:37):
The code, right.

Speaker 7 (48:38):
You know, it's like it's very unusual to see a
coach criticize another active coach. I can't help but think that,
like it's one of those rare experiences you're like, oh, yeah,
that's the person, because sometimes you read quotes in the
paper and you're like, ah, well he's being you know,
behaved and like he knows what to say and he's
not going to give it up. And you're like, oh no,
that's the guy.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, yes, yes, that's the stuff he would say in
a green room and he'd be like whoa. And then
he said in print on the record, right, And I don't
think he said it on accident either, right.

Speaker 7 (49:07):
No fair play to the reporter too forgetting that, because
it's it's that's that's really what you're striving for, and
all this stuff is to have enough of a relationship
that the artifice comes down and you're not getting the
sort of managed commentary and you're getting something great like that.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Your last pick if you were to do a profile.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
So far you've got the assignments you've got Justin Tucker
and Andy Reid, who's number three.

Speaker 6 (49:28):
Josh Harris would be an amazing follow.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
For ye justice an owner, But like, why is that
amazing to you? I've watched the in You want to.

Speaker 6 (49:35):
Shake my hand? Yeah, I want to shake my hand. Yeah,
there you go, just hold it.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
I just think if I it's somebody who's like walking
into a condemned house that they just bought, and they're
going through all the newspapers that are up to the
ceilings and they're finding like stuff that's like underneath the
couch and they're like, what did I get? What am
I doing here? And all of a sudden, you know,
you are the talk of the town. Everybody is obsessed
with you. They want to give you the cues city,
they want you to build RK and Washington, but you

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have to like sort of basically do this uh exorcism
of you know, thirty years of misery. And like, I
just think that's a compelling story to follow somebody around
who's coming from any synchronous world. He's not a sports person,
even though he has this like sports background.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
He's a you know, yeah, the finance guy that.

Speaker 7 (50:23):
But the other one that I think a little bit
more closer to your heart, Peter, And I've not seen
this profile. I've seen him be the person quoted in
profiles of television people. But I really think if you
it'd be a sort of great New Yorker profile for
somebody who has really skilled.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Uh Fred Godelli.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
Interesting Hall of Fame broadcast producer, Fred Godell.

Speaker 7 (50:43):
Producer basically you know, the way that football looks in
twenty twenty three, the way that football is Narry, the
whole sort of like formatting of it. He's had an
incredibly influential hand in this. He is the executive producer
I think of Amazon. Now he also has this joint
deal with NBC. I mean, that's when you know you

(51:04):
have power, when you're able to sort of work both
you know, do that still both of those things. You know,
he's obviously been Al Michael's guy for a very long time.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
You could spend a lot.

Speaker 7 (51:13):
Of time in a booth there and sort of see
how their mind operates. I mean, that's something that I
think that I mean, I'm sort of preaching to the
choir here because you're in the world, but like is
very very underappreciated how skilled the people who are giving
you the camera work, the production value in NFL. And also, like, look, Peter,

(51:35):
if I'm going to put a fancy hat on this story,
it's the last monoculture we have left in the world.
We have Taylor Swift, yeah, and we have the NFL,
or at least in the United States, we have those
two things. And it's the last great television show that
we all watch and I think it's never been better.

Speaker 6 (51:52):
I mean, it's actually a problem for the NFL. Peter,
you know this, that the TV product is too good.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Some people don't want to leave the couch.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
They don't want to leave the couch. Stadiums are sitting around.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
I mean we know this, both of us, that they're
having conversations about, like what does our value add here?
Like if we're going to make someone come in here
and spend five hundred dollars on a Sunday, what are
we giving them that they don't get at home? And
it's a hard sell, you know, for a lot of people,
because the product is so good on TV, and so
this is a person who it be an amazing portal
to all that stuff. He also goes way back to

(52:26):
some really cooky days of the Forum, when you know,
people were a lot less well behaved, and I think
you can get some great stories out of that too.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
I've never worked with Fred Goodelli, obviously, I've gotten to
meet him a few times, and this year he put
on a gold jacket, which is so cool and so
well deserved.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I love that. Choice.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
That'd be interesting. My last one would be Mike Tomlin.
I know, I went retired player coach coach. I just
feel like Mike Tomlin is the standard now in Pittsburgh.
And they had another nine and eight season last year
where you avoided going five hundred, but like to go
through yet another transition of like, here's another version of
the Steelers, and here's Tomlin now like the senior of

(53:07):
the NFL's like coaching community behind Belichick and Carolyn Reid.
I just think it's such a cool position for him
and such a cool time. And I really think the
Steelers could be excellent this year. And here's Tomlin, who
is no thirty or forty year old coach anymore, and
he's got these two kids in Pickett and Pickens, who
I think are going to be excellent this year, and
the Steelers this franchise. I think Mike Tomlin's always a

(53:29):
great quote, but I don't think there's been the definitive
sports profile of him done in many years.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
Is he now the longest tenured Steelers coach ever?

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Chuck Nole was there for a long time, Chuck Knowle
was there up until Cower, So let's say Chuck Nole.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
But you're right, it's already I mean Tomlin got there
in five o six. Maybe yeah, he might be, which
is a wild.

Speaker 7 (53:51):
Statistic because the psychology of that role is interesting in
the respect that, like, look, your buddy's also at Sean McVay,
and we feel Sean McVay sort of takes wins and
losses right on the shirt sleeves, like the like that
he internalizes the pain and the suffering as well as
the joy of the job.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
You know, very sort of viscerally.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
To be in a job like that for fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,
eighteen years, you cannot be constitutionally the kind of person
who takes it terribly every time. You have to sort
of get comfortable. I'm not saying get comfortable with losing,
but you have to understand that you're never you know,
it's like there's only one team left at the end
and it's most likely not going to be you. And

(54:35):
for him, he's been there to the mountaintop once, I
believe as the champion. That means that the other years
you didn't reach that And how do you sort of
rationalize or resolve that. It makes me think of like
the honest thing that happened after the NBA playoffs where
they lost.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Is it a failure to a lot?

Speaker 6 (54:51):
Yeah, is it a failure? And you know, there's a
million reasons.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
And I know that people in your world are very
skilled at explaining why Mike Tomlin is so incredibly great
and the metrics of like how many rings don't necessarily apply.
But yeah, he's you know, it's It's a funny thing
to say because I looked at him recently doing a
press conference and I was like, for the first time,

(55:15):
I was like, oh, he looks old or older, Like,
you know, he's always been the younger guy.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
You know, he's the youngest coach ever to win a
Super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (55:23):
Yeah, And and they're like, oh, yeah, now he's the
older guy.

Speaker 6 (55:27):
That's an interesting dynamic as well.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
Yeah, real quick in closing, you grew up a Patriots
fan up in the New England area, and this is
one of those years where no one knows anything. They
could go ten and seven, they can go five and twelve.
Your feel on your Patriots, Well.

Speaker 7 (55:44):
Just to clarify, I'm old enough that I grew up
in Shafer Stadium, Sullivan Stadium, Patriots aluminum benches, snowplow on
the field. Victor Kai am like, you know, two and fourteen,
like Patriots all right, this whole like dynasty Robert Craft.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 7 (56:01):
Long gone from Massachusetts. I don't recognize it whatsoever. No,
I've I mean, listen, the Patriots are this kind of
like institution now where everything that they do is outsized
in the region, and so like there's always going to
be disproportionate excitement, also disproportionate doomsdayism. I think it's hilarious

(56:22):
to hear the sort of simultaneous conversation of are the
Patriots actually an underrated potential playoff threat?

Speaker 6 (56:31):
And is Belichick on hot seat?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, it's just like.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Both sides of the mouth being talked about here. I
just think it's hilarious that. But that sort of speaks
to what, you know, it is that sort of New
England ethos of like sky is following, but maybe we
could make it this year.

Speaker 6 (56:46):
Like you know, that's all. I recognize that very well.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Our mutual friend Bill Simmons is all in. I don't
know if you've heard him talk, He's like, this is
the year We're great. Everyone's not what's talking about us?
I don't know if I can get on board. I
don't know if I can do it. I will tell
you this, there's a guy there that they're super excited
about rookie Pop Douglas Wide Receiver. And as I say that,
in the back of my hand, I'm like, gosh, if
we're banking on Pop Douglas, are the Patriots really going

(57:09):
to be a contender this year?

Speaker 7 (57:11):
What is your go to thing when somebody you know,
you're at some social occasion, you know, you're waiting in
line in Amagant for an ice cream cards, someone says,
somebody says, Schrager, give me one fantasy tip, like, I mean,
it must be the bandier existence.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I hate, like you know that, I hate it, and
I get it all the time and I say the
same thing, and it pisses me off. The response, I'll say,
take Jamiir Gibbs, the rookie from the Lions. And it's
because we had Brad Holmes on this podcast, and Brad
Holmes wax poetic about Jamior Gibbs like he was, you know,
the next Jerry Rice Slash, you know, Roger Craig all
on one And the response that I get that pisses

(57:48):
me off so much.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Jason as people be like, no, I know that one.
Give me another one, and I'm like, oh, you know what, No,
I don't have it.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
No, And I'm like, well, everyone knows Jamier Gibbs, Like no,
not everyone knows Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
He hasn't played it down yet. So I always say
Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
And then they'll say, well, give me a team that
you think is going to be good, and I say,
I really have to see Hawk this year.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
The Seahawks are my quiet team this year.

Speaker 6 (58:09):
I mean, can I ask you a couple of industry questions.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Please, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I love it all right, so you.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
Know they're the whole fantasy construct in the NFL media
is fascinating, where Like it is huge business. Of course,
it means a great deal to a very specific crowd
of people, a substantial crowd of people. It's it's it's
it's a huge population plays fantasy. However, it's a parallel
track that sometimes has nothing to do with what's actually

(58:36):
happening from a success and failure standpoint, Like for example,
I'm like, I hear all the time about Justin Fields.
Justin feels this that the other thing, Like he's an
incredible talent.

Speaker 6 (58:47):
Obviously he was a wonderful to watch. I was a
big ten you know, fan lost.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Ten games and the season last year, and he completed
the least amount of passes maybe in the history of
any starting quarterback.

Speaker 6 (58:57):
So is that just fantasy inflation is different?

Speaker 2 (59:00):
That is no, it's a different game.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
So his points count a lot because in fantasy football
the quarterback position, rushing yards are seriously heavily weighted, and
he runs for a lot of yards.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
So like Lamar a couple of years ago.

Speaker 7 (59:11):
So it's possible in your world to I mean, obviously
there are some fantasy experts to have become enormously successful,
but like you can exist in that world entirely. You
just your rating players from a fantasy perspective, you know,
completely ambivalent about wins and losses.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Here's why I come out on it, my arrogance.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I come off as pompous when I roll my eyes
at the fantasy guys when they're like, I think Jamison
Crowder is going to be a breakout, and I'm like,
I know this person doesn't talk to any of the coaches.
I know this person isn't at practice. I know this
person doesn't follow it every day like I do. So
why do you know that this random third wide receiver
is gonna be a breakout player and yet fantasy expert

(59:52):
and they've won fantasy leagues and they got that.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Like I just don't confront it.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
It's a different sport altogether, fantasy football and the world
that I live in. So like today I'm on Good
Morning Football and I will tell you and again put
this somewhere if you want it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Greg Dolcich is tight end for the Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I put him on a breakout player list, and I
know that from good sources, from the aforementioned people that
we were talking about, that they really are excited about Dulcic.
He's nowhere on any fantasy list and I don't know
if he's going to be a huge fantasy football player,
but I know that Greg Dulcich has got a role
in the Broncos offense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Do with what you want there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
However, if someone was to look at me or some
of these fantasy experts and they're doing a draft, I
would probably direct them to those guys because they know
all the metrics and how the stats equate into fantasy
points more than I do.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
Do you think that the NFL preseason like the it
felt to me something happened this year where like August,
NFL coverage just jumped the rail. I felt that the
NFL has been the number one story I'll tell you
what it is for six weeks now. And it used
to be like you got a little bit of a
break going into September, and I feel like it never quit.

(01:00:59):
And I'm like, you know somebody who covers all these
other sports, and I'm like, guys, there's other stuff happening here.
We don't have to like talk about the third string
quarterback the Jets. You know, like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
It's the greatest show in town, as you noticed. I'll
tell you a couple of combinations of things. And here's
my big philosophy on it. Actors are on strike. Writers
are on strike. So you take out the entertainment world altogether, okay.
The New York Yankees and the New York Mets. I
know I'm in a New York world. They both stink.
You take them out there, okay, And the Giants and Jets,

(01:01:29):
from my landscape, just New York perspective, are both supposed
to be great, and there's a ton of excitement for
the first time in a decade around both teams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
It was the perfect storm. So for me, I think
that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And then also football wise, they cut it down to
three preseason games, it's not four. It feels like it's
a more limited opportunity. And then we're right back into
the season. So with the Rogers stuff and with all
the different offseason acquisitions, and I think that's just a
really intriguing season. And it was a perfect storm in
New York at the very least with the Giants and Jets.

Speaker 6 (01:01:58):
Who's the halftime Do we know who the halftime act is?

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Quick draft?

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
Again, we'll wrap it on this halftime performer for Bowling Vegas.
All the reports you've heard, throw them out the window.
You don't know anything. It's the NFL. They can get
whoever they want. Relatively speaking, you're the first choice if
you could pick anybody right now, who's the cultural moment
or who's the person worthy of a Vegas Super Bowl?

Speaker 7 (01:02:21):
Well, obviously the first call is to Taylor Swift, but
I think I heard somebody say on another podcast is
she's bigger than the super Bowl, And it's a very
legit argument. My second call would be Beyonce, who's done
it before. But it is like in prime time, like,
you know, performance wise, I think I'd probably say no

(01:02:41):
because she'd been there, done that.

Speaker 6 (01:02:43):
So my next call, Peter, jeez, bad bunny, let's do this?
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
That's where you're going with it, bad Bunny.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
I know he's a huge international superstar, but that will
long pregnant pause, bad Bunny.

Speaker 6 (01:02:59):
Yeah, top five recording artists in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I'm going Eddie Shearon baby all day, all night. That's
my pick of verse.

Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Okay, all right, listen, did you see that Eddie Shearon
concert for those very special people?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
We talked about it. I did not. I would have
loved to have gone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
No, Sir Paul McCartney and Billy Joel and Jerry Seinfeld.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
And Dave Portnoy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
No, I did not make the Listen, Bob Craft, Bob Kraft,
bon Jovi, Angelica Houston and Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
That was some crew.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
All right.

Speaker 7 (01:03:31):
A couple more years out there, Peter, you'll get the
you'll get the invite.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I just got to keep on hacking away, Bad Bunny.
Do you have a chance to take that back and
put in an artist that you actually come on?

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
I'm super legit and bad Bunny. That's a good one.
An artist I like exactly, I know, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Is Jason Mraz performing?

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Yes, Phoebe Bridget is not playing the super Bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:03:57):
I don't believe although they, you know what, boy genius
would be an amazing halftime show.

Speaker 6 (01:04:02):
I don't think they, you know, are going to get
the call from the NFL. But I give my.

Speaker 7 (01:04:07):
That's Taylor Swift's other legacies. She's training the halftime acts
of tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:04:11):
I know you know all these openings.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
She's paramore, good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
You're the man. Thank you for joining me.

Speaker 7 (01:04:18):
Dude, Peter, it's a pleasure. I really really appreciate the
opportunity to come on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:23):
To the show. I'll see you outside the coffee shop
of the future.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
All right, Jason Gay awesome guest, Aaron.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
That was fun. Next week is like the start of
the season. I'm debating do I bring on a coach,
a GM, a broadcast. I might go broadcaster, what do
you think? And like a guy who's gonna be calling
one of the Week one games, and then maybe we
go around the league and talk about our last second predictions.
I haven't done my super Bowl prediction yet, as you
know I pumped my chest everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
I've been very accurate with those in recent years.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I had the Chiefs winning last year, I had the
Rams winning the year before that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
I had the Bucks in the Super Bowl year before that,
and I had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
The Chiefs going up against the forty nine ers and
the Super Bowl yer before that. So I take a
lot of pride in this, and I haven't made my
official decision yet, but I feel like next week's monologue,
I'm gonna lay on you all the predictions and I
want yours as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
So that's a homework assignment. Okay, all right, I want.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Your here's what you have to do for me, suerole prediction,
MVP prediction.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Okay, yep, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Okay, I need your super Bowl and your MVP prediction,
and we're gonna lay it on the listeners. I'm gonna
reveal it Thursday on Good Morning Football. So maybe, oh,
I don't know how we're gonna handle this. Maybe I
like doing it on TV first. It kind of delivers it.
So maybe I just get yours and then we pre
tape something and we release it on Thursday after Good

(01:05:46):
Morning Football and we just title it. Schrager and Aaron's
predictions and watch we can book the best guests in
the wrote. We can have Tom Brady on this freaking show,
but Schrager and Aaron's predictions will be the most listened
to podcast. I'm debating, do you want studio show guy
or gal or do you want NFL broadcaster in the
booth for next week?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
I can get anyone.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
I kind of feel like broadcaster because we've had the
studio shows they're going right now. The broadcast is gonna
be the thing that's coming back, So I think that
i'd be more most excited for that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
All right, all right, so then we're gonna get either Olsen, Collinsworth, Aikman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I can call Aikman Romo. I don't know at all,
so probably not Romo. It's gonna be one of those four.
We'll go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I'll hit up Olson, I'll hit up Aikman, I'll hit
up Collinsworth, and we'll have one of those three guys
as our guest next week.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
How's that sound?

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
It's perfect as long as they're good at arm wrestling.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
We got a arm wrestle like Tyson Badgent's dad, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
I assure you, no one else was talking about Tyson
Badgen's dad on their podcast this morning on behalf of
Aaron Wang Kaufman, on behalf of Jason English, the maestro
from the iHeart sector of the world, the NFL Network,
folks out West, our music man Jack Rudd, and all
you guys who are listen, and then thanks for this
week's episode of the Season with Peter Schrager.

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
We'll check in with you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
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