November 18, 2020 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Hello everyone, Hey guys, Welcome back to The Secret Syllabus podcast.
The Secret Syllabus is a production of The Female Quotient
and I Heart Radio and co produced by The Female
Quotient and Wonder Media Network. I'm Katie Tracy and I'm
Hannah Ashton. This episode is all about internships, What are they,
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whether you should get them, what to do about them?
Given COVID happened and the until ire workplace looks a
little different in our day and age. Okay, So when
it was the first time you heard of internships and
the importance of them, probably a sophomore in high school,
because I have an older sister and I remember when
she was applying. So around then I learned that internships
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were programs to prepare college students or young professionals for
companies the workforce, and to give them a glimpse of
what it's like to work full time. I was a
junior in high school because I actually had to get
an internship that year. My high school was pretty intense,
and so we had to have a forty hour internship
in a field that we were thinking of maybe going into.
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And so yeah, that was when I kind of had
a little bit of experience in high school. But I
don't know if the place I was interning for took
me as seriously as they would maybe a college intern.
It was definitely an interesting dynamic. Oh wow, I've actually
nevered on a formal internship before. I'm personally really interested
in social impact. So I was almost going to do
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an internship with an ad tech or education tech startup
in New York City this year, but because of COVID
and uncertainties as an international student about my work eligibility
in the States, I just decided not to. What was
your first internship like? Though? So I at the time,
of course, was doing YouTube and so was interested in
editing and media and videography, and so I worked at
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a local production company that created shows for HDTV and
Food Network all out of the Knoxville, Tennessee area, And
so it was really interesting because a lot of the
internship I was sitting in their production rooms, which was
like in a little house and just watching these guys
edit the clips, which wasn't super exciting, and it made
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me realize that I don't want to go into production
or video editing or something like that in the future.
So I would definitely say it was beneficial in helping
me realize I love YouTube for its uniqueness and I
don't want to do editing as like a full time career.
But now I'm actually able to work in a beauty
influencer agency in New York. I know I talked about
in this episode how my New York internship experience got canceled,
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but it actually turned out that since the company was
still working remotely, I've been able to also work remote
from Nashville at this New York company, and it's been
an amazing experience. I've absolutely loved this semester and working
with this company. That's amazing to hear. And then what's
interesting is before I even had this big college internship
um throughout last year and the year before, I would
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hold kind of like many internships with my own work.
And so girls who knew me in high school or
girls in college at my school that are interested in
what I do, whether that's YouTube or running an e
commerce site, they've actually offered to work with me and
just kind of gained some experience see what the industry
looks like from the inside. And so it's been cool
to yes be an intern but also host internships and
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give that opportunity to younger or fellow students. That's so cool.
I actually started doing something similar this year where I
work with some of my YouTube viewers around the world
who are also younger than me, and we work on
an education nonprofit I co founded this summer. The dynamic is,
you know, it's less formal like an internship manager relationship
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at a company would be like, and rather more like
a casual mentor or mentee relationship where we're all just
friends in a team who want to give back to
our communities. Right now. Do you think, though, that internships
should be required by colleges since you mentioned it was
required at your high school. Yeah, it was required at
my high school and also required at my college. UM.
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I think that internships are great, and I feel like, honestly,
if I didn't have the push from either of my schools,
I wouldn't have pursued them, And so in that regard, yes,
I think that you can have them as a requirement,
but I do believe they should allow for an internship
to be paid along with getting school credits. I know
my school doesn't do that, and so students have to
choose between paid and um are getting school credits, and
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they're going to have to do a semester of an
unpaid internship. And let's just be honest, if you're working
even a fifteen hour unpaid internship, it's gonna be hard
to also have a normal job alongside that. And so
I do believe that that should be offered because paid
internships are just so important. It allows for more diverse applicants,
you know, not everyone, it can go a semester without
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being paid, and so yeah, I think that's important as
well to kind of advocate for students to look for
paid opportunities. But I do love the experience and the
kind of just mentorship that you get through internships that
you wouldn't have otherwise. What about you, I actually don't
think colleges should require internships. I do speak though, from
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a perspective of a STEM major, and I know yours.
I know you're in your business school, so it makes
sense for why internships would be required. But for me,
I really value flexibility in exploring different career paths. Uh.
And let's just say, for example, I am a product designer,
which I am, and I want to develop my skills.
I could intern at a company, but I could also
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explore freelancing. I could start my own design studio, or
I could join a startup as a product designer. There
are so many ways that you can get the same
skill sets and experiences in an internship, uh, you know,
in different settings that may be less traditional. And I
guess as a creative I just love deviating from the norm.
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So I guess that maybe one reason I personally haven't
done an internship. But in general, I know how you
people can get pressured to apply for a certain internship
just because all their friends are And I just wish
more people realize that advancing your career is unique for
all of us and it can look many different ways.
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I absolutely love that, and yes, I think that gen Z,
it's an interesting dynamic now as we start going into internships,
because just for a personal example, if I hadn't done
social media and YouTube and kind of started my business
off of social media growing up, I wouldn't have had
any experience, and so I'd be gaining that experience in
an internship. But now I know a lot of companies
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I was applying for internships for they were looking at me,
not for me to just learn about social media, but
to actually like manage the accounts and run the social
media because I already had the experience, like they weren't
going to have to teach me that, And so I
definitely think it's a different dynamic because us as gen z,
we're figuring out ways to learn without having to be
in a company, and I think that's that's pretty cool.
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So for interview today, sadly I had to sit out
because of times owns. If you guys didn't know, Hannah
and I have been recording this entire podcast with a
twelve hour time difference between Nashville and the Philippines where
I am. But I promise it's the last time I'll
do this, and I know you all will find this
conversation with Lauren incredibly motivational. Yes, I love Lauren. We've
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gotten to work on a few other projects together, and
I'm so sad Katie was not here to join us.
But I think there's just so much value whether you're
feeling pressured to go into an internship or you're just
curious about like how to get started. So let me
introduce Lauren. Lauren Burger is CEO and founder of both
career Queen dot Com and intern Queen dot com a
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free internship slash career website. They help reach over six
million people and connect them with their dream careers. She
is also the author of three books, I'll Work, No Pay,
Welcome to the Real World, and Get It Together. We
know this interview will be so helpful for any of
you looking for internships or just curious if you need
to start looking for one. Hey, Lauren, welcome to the show.
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It's so great to speak with you. I would love
for you, first off to share a bit about yourself
and also tell us where you went to college and
what your major was. Sure, So, I I'm Lauren Bergram,
the CEO and founder of intern Queen, career Queen, our
intern Queen campus marketing agency called the i Q Agency,
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and then also author of now three books, the most
recently being Get It Together. So I graduated university the
University of Central Florida, which is in Orlando, and my
major in college was communications. Awesome, and so you are
known for creating the intern Queen, which was founded in
two thousand nine. Can you tell us what intern Queen
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is and how it came about? Sure So. Intern Queen
is a free um career and internship website where students
can get information about how to get from point A
to point B in their career. And then we recently
launched career Queen, which is sort of the big sister
platform to intern Queen, and so whereas internships help with
advice for college students high school students, career Queen is
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where you would go once you graduate. But I would
love to focus in on college and internships all around COVID,
especially since I know a lot of students, including myself,
have had internships canceled or postponed during COVID This year,
I personally was supposed to have a whole semester in
New York, supposed to do online classes and then focus
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in on doing one or two internships there, and after
applying and having one secured, it got canceled um just
a few weeks before moving out, and so it can
be really frustrating. But I wanted to know if COVID
and being in a global pandemic has changed your view
on career trajectories and internships UM and the importance of
them or anything like that. UM. I don't know that
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it's changed my view on the on you know, the
positioning of internships and why they're so powerful. I just
think it's um, it's really given everybody you know of
the importance to to shift and to pivot and all
these different things. So I think that for people, a
lot of people are in your situation. A lot of
people have job offers, internship offers that were taken away, canceled, moved, virtual, etcetera.
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And I think it's important for everybody to first and
foremost give themselves a break. And we all have to
be able to separate ourselves from the situation, right. And
I think there's a lot of like, woe is me?
What is me? I'm dealing with this? I'm dealing with this.
I mean for me as a business owner, it's been
you know, quite the challenging year, a year like nothing
I've ever seen before. And it's really easy to get
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kind of down in the dumps about that, you know,
like why is this happening to me? That? Why is
my life going this way? But again, it's really important
to take take a deep breath and say, this isn't me.
This is something that literally the entire world is going through.
Even the companies that are thriving in this time, I mean,
they're dealing with an influx of business that they never
knew was possible, and that's challenging as well. So I
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think it's important to separate ourselves from the situation and
to try to be as positive as possible and to
really kind of give ourselves a break during this time.
For sure, that's great advice. And so what can students
do if their internships were canceled or if there's none
interest maybe they don't want to do remote internship or
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would you promote maybe doing a side hustle or working
on a passion project or now there's even the term
gig going around. Absolutely, I think it's a great time
to sort of, you know, test the waters, to try
to start aside hustle. But I think it's important too
for those of you who are graduating and looking for
for jobs and opportunities. Um, if the industry you thought
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was going to be your industry is not booming right now,
maybe every company in that industry seems to be on
a hiring freeze. I would just think a lot about
the skills that you were looking to learn and get
in that internship or in that job, and also look
at what previous skill what your previous skill set is
from other experiences and then think about other industries that
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you can apply those skills too, because there are places hiring.
I know, we feel like there's not, but there are
places hiring. There's people being promoted, and so it might
just be a matter of thinking about different industries. I mean,
as an example, I was talking about this, um, you
know webinar earlier today. But like I've never heard the
word Peloton right as much as I've heard today, Like
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every weekend I get guilted by my friends because I'm
not spending, however much money on a Peloton right, or
at least I haven't yet, so um, but that's an
example of we never had conversations about peloton before. So like,
if I were a young person, I'd be looking at,
you know, opportunities at companies you know, like Peloton right,
or like Blue Apron or Daily Harvests or even all
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the grocery brands which are really thriving UM in this
moment for sure. And I also think it's a great
time to look into the industry you were looking into,
or maybe some companies you were gonna apply for as
a job or in internship and see how they react
acting to the pandemic, because I think that's a great
question going into interviews to like how did your company
handle COVID and the pandemic, how did you take care
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of your employees? So it really is just an asset
to you to figure out if this is a company
really do want to intern for or apply for once
they're hiring again. Absolutely, and I would also say that, um,
I would encourage you to stay in touch with that
company and be very vocal with them because we were
in that situation as well, where we unfortunately extended some
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opportunities that we had to eliminate. But I think it's
really important for those people to stay in touch, right
And you know, just like the internship thing probably affected you.
I like, whoever had to send that email to you,
they were dreading that email, like nobody wanted to do that.
It was an awful situation that everyone, no matter like
if you were the employer or the job seeker or
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the internship seeker, everyone was in just an awful situation
and an awful predicament there. So I really encouraged the
job seekers and the internship seekers to go out of
your way to stay in touch with those people because
they probably probably do have you top of mind, and
as soon as things open back up, they'll probably try
to find a way to get you back in the loop. Okay,
So now I would love for you to give us
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some practical advice. UM, do you have any advice on
how students can find career opportunities given that most won't
have access to their career center on campus. Yeah, so
a couple of things. UM. Number one is we actually
are you know, we're always talking to our partners at
career centers at colleges across the US, and career centers
are in the same position as everyone else. They're like, oh,
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what do we do? Our people aren't here. How can
we still service and speak to our students and provide
them with meaningful resources during this time? And so as
a student, I say, wake up and go take advantage
of those resources. The career center wants to help you,
probably now more than ever before because of the situation.
So I think you can use that to your advantage
and set up zoom zoom calls. Um. I know a
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lot of them are working on virtual career fair so
just make sure that you're following those career centers on
Instagram or whatever channel. They're using to kind of push
out the latest and greatest and take advantage of that.
So I think that's probably I'm the best piece of
you know, practical advice for students. Yeah, and we're so
often told how important networking is when finding a job.
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From your experience, is networking and building those connections the
be all end all or our cold applications still valuable.
I think my intern Queen's style is a little bit
of both. So I'm all about um making real connections
with people. And I think you always, I always say
do it for the click. You reach out to a stranger,
or you reach out to someone who knows someone who
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knows someone or friends of yours because you're looking for
a click, whether it's with a job interview or with
an informational interview, you're looking for some sort of like
common interests and and not everything is going to be
a click. I've had a lot of informational meetings or
networking opportunities where I meet people and it's just it's
just not really a fit. I don't know, right. Sometimes
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you're like, yeah, I don't know if I'm ever good
to attack to that person again. And that's okay, right,
I always say, like, you're not always gonna be everyone's
cup of tea. It's not always going to make sense.
But I'll tell you that when I meet people and
it does click, like when it makes sense, that is
so special. And you wouldn't be able to find those
opportunities where things click unless you're always putting yourself out
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there and not being afraid to network and build relationships
and connections with others. So I don't think that it
stops and ends with networking, but I think that networking
is an essential tool um that you'll use along your
career path. And so obviously we know you love internships.
I would love to for you to share a bit
about why you're so passionate about them and maybe your
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personal experience with them when you were in school. Sure,
so when I was in college, I didn't really know
what internships were. I was definitely not paying attention to
anything internship related. And then my mom called me because
she calls a lot, and she said, you have to
get an internship. They're talking about internships on the Today Show.
And this is years and years ago. She said, you've
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got to go get an internship. And I knew that
if I didn't figure out what an internship was. My
mom would call and call and call and call. So
I went into the career center and I said, I
want to get an internship. I'm a freshman. I know
it's early, but I'd love to figure this out. I
had my first internship the spring semester of my freshman
year of college, and I felt like at the time,
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freshman year of college, going back, if you would have
said do you feel lost, I would not have said yes.
I would have been like, I was probably super sassy.
I thought I was so cool. I would have been like, lost,
that's dumb. I'm busy. I'm going to football games and
fraternity parties and you know, shopping for close at Caniford
and all the things right with my cool college friends.
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I mean, I thought that I had it all figured out,
and I really just wasn't guessed on the future. My
classes were all big, especially freshman. Are you of those
big classes? They're not really focused on your major yet.
And so when I was at this first internship, it
was at a company called the Zimmerman Agency UM, a
marketing and PR firm that happens to be based in Florida.
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U I was challenged in a way i'd really, I
don't want to say, never been challenged before, but I
hadn't kind of felt that energy in a long time.
So I was in a situation where it was me
and maybe one or two other interns and we were
getting to sit in on meetings, we were challenged with
pitching the media, we were putting together press kits again,
just really learning and observing how a PR firm is run.
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And I would look at these women that work that
were the account managers that I would work under, who
thinking back, they were probably in there like late twenties,
but I just thought they were the most experience, Like,
you know, they were like God to me at the time.
But um, you know, they really inspired me in a
way that I'd never been been inspired before. And I
was challenged in away. I hadn't been challenged in a
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long time, and there was something about that energy and
that hustle that I really sort of, you know, I guess,
clung onto. So I wanted more of that, and so
after that first internship, I would look for more and
more internship opportunities. I ended up doing fifteen internships, which
is kind of insane. By the time I graduated. A
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lot of those opportunities were unpaid at the time. Now
I think almost all of them are paid opportunities for students,
which is even better. Um, but those experiences were so
valuable and they taught me so so much about myself,
both personally and professionally, the kind of businesswoman I wanted
to be, the sort of pace that I wanted to
set for myself in my day to day professional life,
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and um, it really was that lightbulb moment where again
I still went to parties and football games and all
that stuff, and still had a good social life, but
now I had this whole like future that I was
excited about. And that's why I think internships are so powerful,
because they can really be that light bulb ament for
a young person. That's amazing. And I'm sure you've had
experiences interning which you liked more and you're like, I
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want to look for this in a job and ones
that weren't as great. And so you said you felt
the pressure freshman year from your mom, which I love,
But I know a lot of students feel the pressure
more later on in their college time. I know at Belmont,
junior year is the year where everyone's looking, that's what
I'm going into. And so do you think that it
will be harder to find a job after graduating if
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you don't intern in college. I think it can be
more challenging to Again, I would never want to say
it's not possible. People get jobs every day with no
internship experience, but I do think that having internships on
your resume and under your belt before graduation will set
you up for success after graduation. UM, you know whether
you're getting a job at the company where you intern for,
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which is always a great situation, or if it's just
that another company. I think that real world workplace experience,
especially if it's somewhat relevant or somewhere in the wheelhouse
of what the company you're apply to work at does.
UM it just gives the company more confidence in your
experience and your ability and your exposure. I guess you
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could say to the real world, and is there a
specific year you would recommend someone to start interning. Do
you say to get started as early as possible freshman
year or is junior year the prime year. I hear
a lot of students really starting to take the internship
search process seriously sophomore year. Maybe they're not getting the
internship sophomore year, because like you said, I think junior
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year is hands down the most popular time to get internships.
But I think starting to take the search process seriously
and starting to think about what you might want to do,
even if it's for the next year when you're a sophomore,
which it sounds like, well, I'm not surprised Hannah that
you did that. Um, you're ahead of it obviously, but
I think sophomore year is a great time to do that. Okay,
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good to know. And so some students may be considering
a co op internship program or even taking a gap
year to just do internships instead of paying tuition to
do online classes. Do you think this is wise or
do you have any other opinions on those options? You know,
I don't know that I have a strong opinion on that.
Like when you talk about taking a gap year to
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do internships, again, if it's a fine, if it's if
that's a financially motivated decision, maybe I could be convinced
they're right. Um, but I'm a pretty big component of
I think being in classes where you're learning through a textbook,
for example, about communications and then being able to simultaneously
have an internship or have an internship the next summer
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at an actual communications organization. I think the combination of
the two is pretty lethal, and I mean lethal in
a positive way. Pretty killer, right, Like, I think you
can really do a lot with that because you're basically
putting what you're learning in your textbooks to practice in
the real world. So I love the combination of you know,
ongoing school for fore or four years of college, um,
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plus the internship. But again, it's a new world, we
have new challenges, and so if it makes sense, go
for it. I will tell you though, that a lot
of companies will require that you are currently enrolled in
school in order to intern with their company. So I
would just be really mindful of that before you make
a big decision, especially if it's a gap year and
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then doing internships for sure and inevitably rejection is bound
to happen, like we talked about with COVID, and internships
now are a lot more competitive and maybe fewer and
far between. Like I said, it was definitely hard for
me to not hear responses or be rejected from some
of the amazing companies I was applying to this past summer.
What have you learned from your own experience with job
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or internship rejection? So I think, I mean, I get
rejected as a business owner every day from something. I'm
sure I was rejected. I haven't caught up in my
emails yet today, but I'm sure I got a couple
of nice rejections in there somewhere. So I think there's
this myth that once you get successful in your career,
in your business, you no longer get rejected, like you
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only deal with rejection as a job seeker or internship seeker,
And that couldn't be further from the truth. I get
rejected on the day, like every day, and I and
even now twelve years into running in turn queens, some
of the rejections aren't like. Some of them make me upset.
Some of them make me, you know, feel somewhat like
almost like self conscious, like I did something wrong, um,
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And then a lot of them just kind of roll
off and you don't care. And it's fine, right because
I've been down this road before, So I will say
that rejection happens, it's not going anywhere and coming up
with healthy things that you can do to overcome that
feeling of rejection are really helpful. Um. Someone told me
once to identify the feelings, like the physical feelings that
you feel when you get rejected. So whether it's like
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a tightness in your stomach or you start getting the
goose bumps or whatever it is, like kind of you know,
make note of what those feelings are so that when
you get those feelings, you can have a list of
things to do to make yourself feel better. So sometimes
for me, it's closing the computer, taking out a loopra
on my neighborhood outside, and then coming back to it.
Sometimes it's saying, Okay, we're not going to let the
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steer rail of the train. I'm gonna go to my
to do list and I'm gonna keep going. And just
the act of accomplishing something else after getting rejected makes
me feel better. And sometimes it's so bad, when it's
real bad, I just have to like go on the shower,
like I gotta get this off, I gotta cleanse myself here. So, UM,
I think those are some tips that I use when
I feel rejected. But I think having that list of
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maybe three things that you can do to make yourself
just feel better is really important. That's great practical advice.
Sometimes you need to physically wash away the rejection and
get a shower and get a bath over a swim
and like you said, sometimes you just have to keep
going and apply to the next one and eventually it'll
work itself out, is what I tell myself. So, I
know you have so many amazing opportunities and resources on
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your website, the intern Queen dot com. Can you share
a bit about what those resources are for our listeners?
So I think the best ways that I can be
helpful to everybody listening is a few things. So Number one, UM,
like Hannah said, go to intern Queen dot com. We
have it's all free, So it's free internship and career advice.
Every now and then we'll have some interns, some actual
internships UM posted on the side. I know there's a
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handful on there now that are actually looking for students. UM.
The second thing is follow us at intern Queen on
Instagram because in that Instagram story on intern Queen, the
intern Queen Instagram, UM, that's where we post all of
our paid and opportunities, and as of January one, everything
we do is UM paid brand ambassador opportunities and we
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work with a lot of really cool brands. So if
you're looking for something, um that's a little bit of
a shorter commitment than an internship and paid and kind
of gives you an opportunity to spread your wings as
an influencer. UM, definitely check that out. I know right
now if you look at the story, we're recruiting for
a lot of I'm exciting things. And then if you've
just graduated, check out career Queen dot com or at
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official career Queen and we have all kinds of advice
there um. And then, last but not least, I do
have three books out. The first is on internships, the
second is on career, and the third is called Get
It Together, which my which probably applies to everybody right now.
I think we all feel like we need to get
it together. So if you go to Amazon or Barnes
and Noble and just type in Lauren Burger b E
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R G E R you'll see all of my books
there um and then, last but not least, we also
have a YouTube channel where Hannah and I actually did
a little collab action, so UM, check out the intern
Queen YouTube channel. Instead of videos on how to do
makeup tutorials, we have things like thank you note to
do reals, so it's everything career and internship related. And
we've had the opportunity to club with Hannah where she
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did a really cool day in the Life video which
is still one of my favorites, so check that out.
Thank you. Yes, so many amazing resources on all the
platforms for whatever you all are looking for, so we
will make sure to have the links to everything you
mentioned in the show notes. And thank you so much
Lauren for being on the show. It is always so
great to work with you. It was so great getting
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to catch up and record this with Lauren, and so Katie,
I'd love to know after you've listened back to it,
what was your takeaway. My takeaway was to definitely think
about what I want to gain in an internship and
start from there. So you know, if you didn't get
an internship, it's not the end of your career because
you can still gain the skills that you wanted in
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that internship elsewhere. For example, this year, I was going
to apply for product management roles at tech companies, but
after those plans got derailed, I just chose to spend
my summer creating my own projects. My friends and I
got together we built web and mobile apps to support
COVID donations around the world, and by doing that, I
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still got to improve my product management skills. I got
to grow my portfolio, but most importantly, I got to
do something impactful for communities I cared about. That's a
beautiful story, honestly, and I love how you just you know,
you didn't give up. You take charge, and You're like,
I can do this on my own. I don't even
need the internship. I I always love seeing what you're
up to on YouTube. But for my takeaway, I got
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the piece of tactical advice to just keep in touch
with your internships. I know she said this directly to me,
and it just made so much sense because you never
know if they have another opportunity down the line, for
you know, maybe your senior year instead of your junior year,
or even if you've worked with them, still keep in
touch with them because they may be thinking about hiring you.
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And so I know, I'm definitely going to do that
with the internship I am in now. Stay in contact,
you know, whether that's wishing them a happy Holidays in
December or thanking them for the experience once it's done,
and maybe once you graduate. I'm trying to think of
times that I can kind of reach out and just
keep them and just keep myself in there in the
back of their mind in case an opportunity arises where
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they think I'd be a good fit at the company.
So I absolutely love that advice. But thank you guys
so much for listening, and that is going to be
it for this episode. We are your host, Katie. You
can find me up below Katie X on Instagram, and
I'm Hannah. You can find me at Miss Hannah Ashton
on Instagram. The Secret Syllabus is a production of The
Female Quotient and I Heart Radio and co produced by
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The Female Quotient and Wonder Media Network. See you guys
after club. Hi everyone, mm hm
Hello everyone, Hey guys, Welcome back to The Secret Syllabus podcast.
The Secret Syllabus is a production of The Female Quotient
and I Heart Radio and co produced by The Female
Quotient and Wonder Media Network. I'm Katie Tracy and I'm
Hannah Ashton. This episode is all about internships, What are they,
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whether you should get them, what to do about them?
Given COVID happened and the until ire workplace looks a
little different in our day and age. Okay, So when
it was the first time you heard of internships and
the importance of them, probably a sophomore in high school,
because I have an older sister and I remember when
she was applying. So around then I learned that internships
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were programs to prepare college students or young professionals for
companies the workforce, and to give them a glimpse of
what it's like to work full time. I was a
junior in high school because I actually had to get
an internship that year. My high school was pretty intense,
and so we had to have a forty hour internship
in a field that we were thinking of maybe going into.
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And so yeah, that was when I kind of had
a little bit of experience in high school. But I
don't know if the place I was interning for took
me as seriously as they would maybe a college intern.
It was definitely an interesting dynamic. Oh wow, I've actually
nevered on a formal internship before. I'm personally really interested
in social impact. So I was almost going to do
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an internship with an ad tech or education tech startup
in New York City this year, but because of COVID
and uncertainties as an international student about my work eligibility
in the States, I just decided not to. What was
your first internship like? Though? So I at the time,
of course, was doing YouTube and so was interested in
editing and media and videography, and so I worked at
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a local production company that created shows for HDTV and
Food Network all out of the Knoxville, Tennessee area, And
so it was really interesting because a lot of the
internship I was sitting in their production rooms, which was
like in a little house and just watching these guys
edit the clips, which wasn't super exciting, and it made
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me realize that I don't want to go into production
or video editing or something like that in the future.
So I would definitely say it was beneficial in helping
me realize I love YouTube for its uniqueness and I
don't want to do editing as like a full time career.
But now I'm actually able to work in a beauty
influencer agency in New York. I know I talked about
in this episode how my New York internship experience got canceled,
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but it actually turned out that since the company was
still working remotely, I've been able to also work remote
from Nashville at this New York company, and it's been
an amazing experience. I've absolutely loved this semester and working
with this company. That's amazing to hear. And then what's
interesting is before I even had this big college internship
um throughout last year and the year before, I would
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hold kind of like many internships with my own work.
And so girls who knew me in high school or
girls in college at my school that are interested in
what I do, whether that's YouTube or running an e
commerce site, they've actually offered to work with me and
just kind of gained some experience see what the industry
looks like from the inside. And so it's been cool
to yes be an intern but also host internships and
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give that opportunity to younger or fellow students. That's so cool.
I actually started doing something similar this year where I
work with some of my YouTube viewers around the world
who are also younger than me, and we work on
an education nonprofit I co founded this summer. The dynamic is,
you know, it's less formal like an internship manager relationship
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at a company would be like, and rather more like
a casual mentor or mentee relationship where we're all just
friends in a team who want to give back to
our communities. Right now. Do you think, though, that internships
should be required by colleges since you mentioned it was
required at your high school. Yeah, it was required at
my high school and also required at my college. UM.
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I think that internships are great, and I feel like, honestly,
if I didn't have the push from either of my schools,
I wouldn't have pursued them, And so in that regard, yes,
I think that you can have them as a requirement,
but I do believe they should allow for an internship
to be paid along with getting school credits. I know
my school doesn't do that, and so students have to
choose between paid and um are getting school credits, and
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they're going to have to do a semester of an
unpaid internship. And let's just be honest, if you're working
even a fifteen hour unpaid internship, it's gonna be hard
to also have a normal job alongside that. And so
I do believe that that should be offered because paid
internships are just so important. It allows for more diverse applicants,
you know, not everyone, it can go a semester without
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being paid, and so yeah, I think that's important as
well to kind of advocate for students to look for
paid opportunities. But I do love the experience and the
kind of just mentorship that you get through internships that
you wouldn't have otherwise. What about you, I actually don't
think colleges should require internships. I do speak though, from
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a perspective of a STEM major, and I know yours.
I know you're in your business school, so it makes
sense for why internships would be required. But for me,
I really value flexibility in exploring different career paths. Uh.
And let's just say, for example, I am a product designer,
which I am, and I want to develop my skills.
I could intern at a company, but I could also
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explore freelancing. I could start my own design studio, or
I could join a startup as a product designer. There
are so many ways that you can get the same
skill sets and experiences in an internship, uh, you know,
in different settings that may be less traditional. And I
guess as a creative I just love deviating from the norm.
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So I guess that maybe one reason I personally haven't
done an internship. But in general, I know how you
people can get pressured to apply for a certain internship
just because all their friends are And I just wish
more people realize that advancing your career is unique for
all of us and it can look many different ways.
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I absolutely love that, and yes, I think that gen Z,
it's an interesting dynamic now as we start going into internships,
because just for a personal example, if I hadn't done
social media and YouTube and kind of started my business
off of social media growing up, I wouldn't have had
any experience, and so I'd be gaining that experience in
an internship. But now I know a lot of companies
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I was applying for internships for they were looking at me,
not for me to just learn about social media, but
to actually like manage the accounts and run the social
media because I already had the experience, like they weren't
going to have to teach me that, And so I
definitely think it's a different dynamic because us as gen z,
we're figuring out ways to learn without having to be
in a company, and I think that's that's pretty cool.
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So for interview today, sadly I had to sit out
because of times owns. If you guys didn't know, Hannah
and I have been recording this entire podcast with a
twelve hour time difference between Nashville and the Philippines where
I am. But I promise it's the last time I'll
do this, and I know you all will find this
conversation with Lauren incredibly motivational. Yes, I love Lauren. We've
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gotten to work on a few other projects together, and
I'm so sad Katie was not here to join us.
But I think there's just so much value whether you're
feeling pressured to go into an internship or you're just
curious about like how to get started. So let me
introduce Lauren. Lauren Burger is CEO and founder of both
career Queen dot Com and intern Queen dot com a
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free internship slash career website. They help reach over six
million people and connect them with their dream careers. She
is also the author of three books, I'll Work, No Pay,
Welcome to the Real World, and Get It Together. We
know this interview will be so helpful for any of
you looking for internships or just curious if you need
to start looking for one. Hey, Lauren, welcome to the show.
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It's so great to speak with you. I would love
for you, first off to share a bit about yourself
and also tell us where you went to college and
what your major was. Sure, So, I I'm Lauren Bergram,
the CEO and founder of intern Queen, career Queen, our
intern Queen campus marketing agency called the i Q Agency,
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and then also author of now three books, the most
recently being Get It Together. So I graduated university the
University of Central Florida, which is in Orlando, and my
major in college was communications. Awesome, and so you are
known for creating the intern Queen, which was founded in
two thousand nine. Can you tell us what intern Queen
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is and how it came about? Sure So. Intern Queen
is a free um career and internship website where students
can get information about how to get from point A
to point B in their career. And then we recently
launched career Queen, which is sort of the big sister
platform to intern Queen, and so whereas internships help with
advice for college students high school students, career Queen is
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where you would go once you graduate. But I would
love to focus in on college and internships all around COVID,
especially since I know a lot of students, including myself,
have had internships canceled or postponed during COVID This year,
I personally was supposed to have a whole semester in
New York, supposed to do online classes and then focus
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in on doing one or two internships there, and after
applying and having one secured, it got canceled um just
a few weeks before moving out, and so it can
be really frustrating. But I wanted to know if COVID
and being in a global pandemic has changed your view
on career trajectories and internships UM and the importance of
them or anything like that. UM. I don't know that
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it's changed my view on the on you know, the
positioning of internships and why they're so powerful. I just
think it's um, it's really given everybody you know of
the importance to to shift and to pivot and all
these different things. So I think that for people, a
lot of people are in your situation. A lot of
people have job offers, internship offers that were taken away, canceled, moved, virtual, etcetera.
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And I think it's important for everybody to first and
foremost give themselves a break. And we all have to
be able to separate ourselves from the situation, right. And
I think there's a lot of like, woe is me?
What is me? I'm dealing with this? I'm dealing with this.
I mean for me as a business owner, it's been
you know, quite the challenging year, a year like nothing
I've ever seen before. And it's really easy to get
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kind of down in the dumps about that, you know,
like why is this happening to me? That? Why is
my life going this way? But again, it's really important
to take take a deep breath and say, this isn't me.
This is something that literally the entire world is going through.
Even the companies that are thriving in this time, I mean,
they're dealing with an influx of business that they never
knew was possible, and that's challenging as well. So I
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think it's important to separate ourselves from the situation and
to try to be as positive as possible and to
really kind of give ourselves a break during this time.
For sure, that's great advice. And so what can students
do if their internships were canceled or if there's none
interest maybe they don't want to do remote internship or
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would you promote maybe doing a side hustle or working
on a passion project or now there's even the term
gig going around. Absolutely, I think it's a great time
to sort of, you know, test the waters, to try
to start aside hustle. But I think it's important too
for those of you who are graduating and looking for
for jobs and opportunities. Um, if the industry you thought
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was going to be your industry is not booming right now,
maybe every company in that industry seems to be on
a hiring freeze. I would just think a lot about
the skills that you were looking to learn and get
in that internship or in that job, and also look
at what previous skill what your previous skill set is
from other experiences and then think about other industries that
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you can apply those skills too, because there are places hiring.
I know, we feel like there's not, but there are
places hiring. There's people being promoted, and so it might
just be a matter of thinking about different industries. I mean,
as an example, I was talking about this, um, you
know webinar earlier today. But like I've never heard the
word Peloton right as much as I've heard today, Like
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every weekend I get guilted by my friends because I'm
not spending, however much money on a Peloton right, or
at least I haven't yet, so um, but that's an
example of we never had conversations about peloton before. So like,
if I were a young person, I'd be looking at,
you know, opportunities at companies you know, like Peloton right,
or like Blue Apron or Daily Harvests or even all
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the grocery brands which are really thriving UM in this
moment for sure. And I also think it's a great
time to look into the industry you were looking into,
or maybe some companies you were gonna apply for as
a job or in internship and see how they react
acting to the pandemic, because I think that's a great
question going into interviews to like how did your company
handle COVID and the pandemic, how did you take care
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of your employees? So it really is just an asset
to you to figure out if this is a company
really do want to intern for or apply for once
they're hiring again. Absolutely, and I would also say that, um,
I would encourage you to stay in touch with that
company and be very vocal with them because we were
in that situation as well, where we unfortunately extended some
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opportunities that we had to eliminate. But I think it's
really important for those people to stay in touch, right
And you know, just like the internship thing probably affected you.
I like, whoever had to send that email to you,
they were dreading that email, like nobody wanted to do that.
It was an awful situation that everyone, no matter like
if you were the employer or the job seeker or
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the internship seeker, everyone was in just an awful situation
and an awful predicament there. So I really encouraged the
job seekers and the internship seekers to go out of
your way to stay in touch with those people because
they probably probably do have you top of mind, and
as soon as things open back up, they'll probably try
to find a way to get you back in the loop. Okay,
So now I would love for you to give us
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some practical advice. UM, do you have any advice on
how students can find career opportunities given that most won't
have access to their career center on campus. Yeah, so
a couple of things. UM. Number one is we actually
are you know, we're always talking to our partners at
career centers at colleges across the US, and career centers
are in the same position as everyone else. They're like, oh,
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what do we do? Our people aren't here. How can
we still service and speak to our students and provide
them with meaningful resources during this time? And so as
a student, I say, wake up and go take advantage
of those resources. The career center wants to help you,
probably now more than ever before because of the situation.
So I think you can use that to your advantage
and set up zoom zoom calls. Um. I know a
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lot of them are working on virtual career fair so
just make sure that you're following those career centers on
Instagram or whatever channel. They're using to kind of push
out the latest and greatest and take advantage of that.
So I think that's probably I'm the best piece of
you know, practical advice for students. Yeah, and we're so
often told how important networking is when finding a job.
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From your experience, is networking and building those connections the
be all end all or our cold applications still valuable.
I think my intern Queen's style is a little bit
of both. So I'm all about um making real connections
with people. And I think you always, I always say
do it for the click. You reach out to a stranger,
or you reach out to someone who knows someone who
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knows someone or friends of yours because you're looking for
a click, whether it's with a job interview or with
an informational interview, you're looking for some sort of like
common interests and and not everything is going to be
a click. I've had a lot of informational meetings or
networking opportunities where I meet people and it's just it's
just not really a fit. I don't know, right. Sometimes
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you're like, yeah, I don't know if I'm ever good
to attack to that person again. And that's okay, right,
I always say, like, you're not always gonna be everyone's
cup of tea. It's not always going to make sense.
But I'll tell you that when I meet people and
it does click, like when it makes sense, that is
so special. And you wouldn't be able to find those
opportunities where things click unless you're always putting yourself out
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there and not being afraid to network and build relationships
and connections with others. So I don't think that it
stops and ends with networking, but I think that networking
is an essential tool um that you'll use along your
career path. And so obviously we know you love internships.
I would love to for you to share a bit
about why you're so passionate about them and maybe your
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personal experience with them when you were in school. Sure,
so when I was in college, I didn't really know
what internships were. I was definitely not paying attention to
anything internship related. And then my mom called me because
she calls a lot, and she said, you have to
get an internship. They're talking about internships on the Today Show.
And this is years and years ago. She said, you've
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got to go get an internship. And I knew that
if I didn't figure out what an internship was. My
mom would call and call and call and call. So
I went into the career center and I said, I
want to get an internship. I'm a freshman. I know
it's early, but I'd love to figure this out. I
had my first internship the spring semester of my freshman
year of college, and I felt like at the time,
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freshman year of college, going back, if you would have
said do you feel lost, I would not have said yes.
I would have been like, I was probably super sassy.
I thought I was so cool. I would have been like, lost,
that's dumb. I'm busy. I'm going to football games and
fraternity parties and you know, shopping for close at Caniford
and all the things right with my cool college friends.
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I mean, I thought that I had it all figured out,
and I really just wasn't guessed on the future. My
classes were all big, especially freshman. Are you of those
big classes? They're not really focused on your major yet.
And so when I was at this first internship, it
was at a company called the Zimmerman Agency UM, a
marketing and PR firm that happens to be based in Florida.
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U I was challenged in a way i'd really, I
don't want to say, never been challenged before, but I
hadn't kind of felt that energy in a long time.
So I was in a situation where it was me
and maybe one or two other interns and we were
getting to sit in on meetings, we were challenged with
pitching the media, we were putting together press kits again,
just really learning and observing how a PR firm is run.
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And I would look at these women that work that
were the account managers that I would work under, who
thinking back, they were probably in there like late twenties,
but I just thought they were the most experience, Like,
you know, they were like God to me at the time.
But um, you know, they really inspired me in a
way that I'd never been been inspired before. And I
was challenged in away. I hadn't been challenged in a
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long time, and there was something about that energy and
that hustle that I really sort of, you know, I guess,
clung onto. So I wanted more of that, and so
after that first internship, I would look for more and
more internship opportunities. I ended up doing fifteen internships, which
is kind of insane. By the time I graduated. A
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lot of those opportunities were unpaid at the time. Now
I think almost all of them are paid opportunities for students,
which is even better. Um, but those experiences were so
valuable and they taught me so so much about myself,
both personally and professionally, the kind of businesswoman I wanted
to be, the sort of pace that I wanted to
set for myself in my day to day professional life,
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and um, it really was that lightbulb moment where again
I still went to parties and football games and all
that stuff, and still had a good social life, but
now I had this whole like future that I was
excited about. And that's why I think internships are so powerful,
because they can really be that light bulb ament for
a young person. That's amazing. And I'm sure you've had
experiences interning which you liked more and you're like, I
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want to look for this in a job and ones
that weren't as great. And so you said you felt
the pressure freshman year from your mom, which I love,
But I know a lot of students feel the pressure
more later on in their college time. I know at Belmont,
junior year is the year where everyone's looking, that's what
I'm going into. And so do you think that it
will be harder to find a job after graduating if
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you don't intern in college. I think it can be
more challenging to Again, I would never want to say
it's not possible. People get jobs every day with no
internship experience, but I do think that having internships on
your resume and under your belt before graduation will set
you up for success after graduation. UM, you know whether
you're getting a job at the company where you intern for,
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which is always a great situation, or if it's just
that another company. I think that real world workplace experience,
especially if it's somewhat relevant or somewhere in the wheelhouse
of what the company you're apply to work at does.
UM it just gives the company more confidence in your
experience and your ability and your exposure. I guess you
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could say to the real world, and is there a
specific year you would recommend someone to start interning. Do
you say to get started as early as possible freshman
year or is junior year the prime year. I hear
a lot of students really starting to take the internship
search process seriously sophomore year. Maybe they're not getting the
internship sophomore year, because like you said, I think junior
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year is hands down the most popular time to get internships.
But I think starting to take the search process seriously
and starting to think about what you might want to do,
even if it's for the next year when you're a sophomore,
which it sounds like, well, I'm not surprised Hannah that
you did that. Um, you're ahead of it obviously, but
I think sophomore year is a great time to do that. Okay,
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good to know. And so some students may be considering
a co op internship program or even taking a gap
year to just do internships instead of paying tuition to
do online classes. Do you think this is wise or
do you have any other opinions on those options? You know,
I don't know that I have a strong opinion on that.
Like when you talk about taking a gap year to
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do internships, again, if it's a fine, if it's if
that's a financially motivated decision, maybe I could be convinced
they're right. Um, but I'm a pretty big component of
I think being in classes where you're learning through a textbook,
for example, about communications and then being able to simultaneously
have an internship or have an internship the next summer
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at an actual communications organization. I think the combination of
the two is pretty lethal, and I mean lethal in
a positive way. Pretty killer, right, Like, I think you
can really do a lot with that because you're basically
putting what you're learning in your textbooks to practice in
the real world. So I love the combination of you know,
ongoing school for fore or four years of college, um,
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plus the internship. But again, it's a new world, we
have new challenges, and so if it makes sense, go
for it. I will tell you though, that a lot
of companies will require that you are currently enrolled in
school in order to intern with their company. So I
would just be really mindful of that before you make
a big decision, especially if it's a gap year and
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then doing internships for sure and inevitably rejection is bound
to happen, like we talked about with COVID, and internships
now are a lot more competitive and maybe fewer and
far between. Like I said, it was definitely hard for
me to not hear responses or be rejected from some
of the amazing companies I was applying to this past summer.
What have you learned from your own experience with job
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or internship rejection? So I think, I mean, I get
rejected as a business owner every day from something. I'm
sure I was rejected. I haven't caught up in my
emails yet today, but I'm sure I got a couple
of nice rejections in there somewhere. So I think there's
this myth that once you get successful in your career,
in your business, you no longer get rejected, like you
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only deal with rejection as a job seeker or internship seeker,
And that couldn't be further from the truth. I get
rejected on the day, like every day, and I and
even now twelve years into running in turn queens, some
of the rejections aren't like. Some of them make me upset.
Some of them make me, you know, feel somewhat like
almost like self conscious, like I did something wrong, um,
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And then a lot of them just kind of roll
off and you don't care. And it's fine, right because
I've been down this road before, So I will say
that rejection happens, it's not going anywhere and coming up
with healthy things that you can do to overcome that
feeling of rejection are really helpful. Um. Someone told me
once to identify the feelings, like the physical feelings that
you feel when you get rejected. So whether it's like
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a tightness in your stomach or you start getting the
goose bumps or whatever it is, like kind of you know,
make note of what those feelings are so that when
you get those feelings, you can have a list of
things to do to make yourself feel better. So sometimes
for me, it's closing the computer, taking out a loopra
on my neighborhood outside, and then coming back to it.
Sometimes it's saying, Okay, we're not going to let the
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steer rail of the train. I'm gonna go to my
to do list and I'm gonna keep going. And just
the act of accomplishing something else after getting rejected makes
me feel better. And sometimes it's so bad, when it's
real bad, I just have to like go on the shower,
like I gotta get this off, I gotta cleanse myself here. So, UM,
I think those are some tips that I use when
I feel rejected. But I think having that list of
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maybe three things that you can do to make yourself
just feel better is really important. That's great practical advice.
Sometimes you need to physically wash away the rejection and
get a shower and get a bath over a swim
and like you said, sometimes you just have to keep
going and apply to the next one and eventually it'll
work itself out, is what I tell myself. So, I
know you have so many amazing opportunities and resources on
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your website, the intern Queen dot com. Can you share
a bit about what those resources are for our listeners?
So I think the best ways that I can be
helpful to everybody listening is a few things. So Number one, UM,
like Hannah said, go to intern Queen dot com. We
have it's all free, So it's free internship and career advice.
Every now and then we'll have some interns, some actual
internships UM posted on the side. I know there's a
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handful on there now that are actually looking for students. UM.
The second thing is follow us at intern Queen on
Instagram because in that Instagram story on intern Queen, the
intern Queen Instagram, UM, that's where we post all of
our paid and opportunities, and as of January one, everything
we do is UM paid brand ambassador opportunities and we
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work with a lot of really cool brands. So if
you're looking for something, um that's a little bit of
a shorter commitment than an internship and paid and kind
of gives you an opportunity to spread your wings as
an influencer. UM, definitely check that out. I know right
now if you look at the story, we're recruiting for
a lot of I'm exciting things. And then if you've
just graduated, check out career Queen dot com or at
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official career Queen and we have all kinds of advice
there um. And then, last but not least, I do
have three books out. The first is on internships, the
second is on career, and the third is called Get
It Together, which my which probably applies to everybody right now.
I think we all feel like we need to get
it together. So if you go to Amazon or Barnes
and Noble and just type in Lauren Burger b E
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R G E R you'll see all of my books
there um and then, last but not least, we also
have a YouTube channel where Hannah and I actually did
a little collab action, so UM, check out the intern
Queen YouTube channel. Instead of videos on how to do
makeup tutorials, we have things like thank you note to
do reals, so it's everything career and internship related. And
we've had the opportunity to club with Hannah where she
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did a really cool day in the Life video which
is still one of my favorites, so check that out.
Thank you. Yes, so many amazing resources on all the
platforms for whatever you all are looking for, so we
will make sure to have the links to everything you
mentioned in the show notes. And thank you so much
Lauren for being on the show. It is always so
great to work with you. It was so great getting
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to catch up and record this with Lauren, and so Katie,
I'd love to know after you've listened back to it,
what was your takeaway. My takeaway was to definitely think
about what I want to gain in an internship and
start from there. So you know, if you didn't get
an internship, it's not the end of your career because
you can still gain the skills that you wanted in
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that internship elsewhere. For example, this year, I was going
to apply for product management roles at tech companies, but
after those plans got derailed, I just chose to spend
my summer creating my own projects. My friends and I
got together we built web and mobile apps to support
COVID donations around the world, and by doing that, I
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still got to improve my product management skills. I got
to grow my portfolio, but most importantly, I got to
do something impactful for communities I cared about. That's a
beautiful story, honestly, and I love how you just you know,
you didn't give up. You take charge, and You're like,
I can do this on my own. I don't even
need the internship. I I always love seeing what you're
up to on YouTube. But for my takeaway, I got
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the piece of tactical advice to just keep in touch
with your internships. I know she said this directly to me,
and it just made so much sense because you never
know if they have another opportunity down the line, for
you know, maybe your senior year instead of your junior year,
or even if you've worked with them, still keep in
touch with them because they may be thinking about hiring you.
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And so I know, I'm definitely going to do that
with the internship I am in now. Stay in contact,
you know, whether that's wishing them a happy Holidays in
December or thanking them for the experience once it's done,
and maybe once you graduate. I'm trying to think of
times that I can kind of reach out and just
keep them and just keep myself in there in the
back of their mind in case an opportunity arises where
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they think I'd be a good fit at the company.
So I absolutely love that advice. But thank you guys
so much for listening, and that is going to be
it for this episode. We are your host, Katie. You
can find me up below Katie X on Instagram, and
I'm Hannah. You can find me at Miss Hannah Ashton
on Instagram. The Secret Syllabus is a production of The
Female Quotient and I Heart Radio and co produced by
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The Female Quotient and Wonder Media Network. See you guys
after club. Hi everyone, mm hm
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