February 11, 2025 • 55 mins
Know what really grinds our gears? In this college football podcast episode, we go through our list of college football things that need fixing. From bad officiating and instant replay to noon games, overtime rules, the need for a commissioner, towels on the field, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hull.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That for me.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm a man, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
For I've heard so many players say, well, I want
to be happy. You want to be happy for Dake
Edith Steak.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is that woo whoo?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And them?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
And Tie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Dan Robstein.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Congratulations to your Philadelphia Eagles on their big Super Bowl victory.
I know you right Hill, fully plugged in, fully dialed
in in the headset with Nick Sirianni, very into the
football game.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Your Eagles want congratulations, sir, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was mostly locked in on the score bug, the
new Fox score bug, which honestly tie.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think they took a nice swing. I messaged you
about this, not about the.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Ghost cooking at the time, but I'm specifically about the
score bug. I admire the swing. I would tweak it
a little if I were in some sort of consultation
meeting with the Fox graphical people. I like bold, I
like clean, I like clear. I don't like the overly
convoluted like belt that ESPN has been putting forth. I
(01:10):
want it a little bit smaller, probably in that position
if they're going to go bottom center, and I like
that they use the sort of big bold San Sarah
like thick fox font for the KC and the PHI.
I like that. I like your immediately looking at the
screen and you know what's going on. I thought it
(01:33):
could be just shrunk down a little bit and I
would put a little bit of a background behind the
numbers of the score transparent, like twenty five percent opacity, right,
I like five percent.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is not going to be the show, by the way,
but please fifteen percent, Philly, please continue. No, I'm not
an Eagles fan. I'm not an Eagles hater. I like
a lot of the players on the Eagles. I love
Devonte Smith and have since college. And I think he's
the first Alabama player to score a receiving or rushing
or any kind of all purpose touchdown a non touchdown
(02:07):
pass right, yeah, and the touchdown which was like the
dagger touchdown. Right, this is not an NFL show, but
the dagger touchdown deep play action pass over the middle.
He did one of my favorite football things, which is
running counter to the theme of this episode, things that
I just inexplicably enjoy, and that is when a player,
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in this case Devontae Smith is running at full speed
and looks like He's barely jogging, and the only reason
you know he's running at full speed is because the
corner that's chasing him is putting forth one hundred and
forty percent overheating excite bike energy, trying to keep up.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Holding down that be button a little bit like the.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Shoulders are wiggling, the neck is bobbing back and forth
at the corner is running for his dear life to
try and catch DeVante Smith. And Avante Smith is like
on a treadmill at the doctor's office, just like, Oh, yeah,
this is what you want me to do. Okay, I
guess I'll catch this ball. It was a thing of
beauty to watch that specific touchdown. I apologize any Chiefs
fans listening, but our chieves chieves Thans fans here, But
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Davante Smith is just a wonder of football, and I
enjoyed that a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Congratulations to the Birds.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
People were shooting off fireworks here in my neck of
the woods, deep in late of the night, as you
might expect. It's probably going to continue through the weekend
until they get this parade over with. But football now
officially in the books. We had the college Championship game
a few weeks back, the NFL takes its sweet time,
but the Super Bowl is sort of a bigger deal
that is now in the books as well. And I
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guess with all that being said, we picked now this episode,
as I guess, along the lines of the score Bug conversation, sure,
as just a way to get some stuff off of
our chests.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Pour.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, agree, these are not so much things that I
think we enjoy, not so much things that we are applauding,
but these are things that grind our gears to an
extent with college football, and your edict before we hit
record here was to try and be solutions oriented, not
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to just come out here and complain about vari.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and I'm not trying to solve all of the
problems of the sport perceive problems, but like, let's spin
this in the like, Okay, what's what's something that could
potentially what path could we go down to make this
a better thing?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Absolutely, so we're gonna spout off some things here over
the next forty five minutes or so. We would encourage
you to do the very same. Hit us up on
social media, of course, you can always leave comments across
multiple platforms, beat, YouTube.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Or Spotify some other ones. Are out there as well.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
We read all of them, so we'd love to get
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Speaker 1 (04:59):
Listen too.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
On the way to work or at the gym, when
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Speaker 1 (05:06):
Please support Dan and I by doing just that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Dan, I do not have my Frank Costanza. I got
a lot of problems with you people. Sound at the ready. Okay,
So I don't know if you have anything on your
end that you'd like to use in Frank's place, in
his stead, but we need something good, question fitting that
can introduce the segment.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
What do I have here? I mean we're dialing up
you were going into the computer banks here. Well, that's
kind of communist, it's unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Let's talk about the state of officiating in college football. Dan,
how did you feel about officiating this past season? How
did I feel about officiating this past season. I'm never
a huge fan, but I'm also a person that tries
to do his best and saying it's kind of an
impossible job. So I'm trying to think if there were
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any Oregon moments that were particularly heinous, Like Oregon had
an interception against Ohio State early that didn't end up
costing them.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The game, but it wasn't reviewed right. So I think
on the margins there are some things that could be
improved process wise that like, you know, if you have
an eye in the sky, you know you have your
replay official whatever that they need to be perhaps in
those and that's a very specific situation, a little bit
quicker on the uptick to be like, you know what,
(06:32):
stand over the ball for another few seconds, sure, another
five seconds, another seven and a half seconds before letting
the next play go forward. There are those instances. I
know there's like the automatically reviewed plays and touchdowns and everything,
but I think there are times where and I don't
like extensive replays, I don't like the ability to challenge
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penalties stuff like that, but a potential change of possession
or a potential score, I think, let's take an extra
handful of seconds, that would be you know, in my estimation,
one of the bigger needs of this sport.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, officiating, I think is certainly it's always a hot
button thing. Everybody likes to gang up on the refs,
and though I think we try not to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
There are some.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Times where you just have to right where we're doing
live streams, where we're talking about football games after the fact,
you'd be remiss to not mention some controversial calls that
may or may not impact the result. Okay, we saw
that in the Texas Arizona State game. We have seen
it throughout the course of this past season. And again
(07:40):
this is anecdotal. I don't have any kind of like
quantitative metrics that I can point to and say, yes,
it was worse because of X, Y and Z. I
don't have that, but I can tell you, as a
fan who watches as much, if not more, college football
than anybody, it felt to me like the officiating this
year was worse. Two things that jumped out to me.
(08:01):
First Off, there was the I guess weirdness with respect
to not using the replay when it felt like they
should have. To your point, right, there were these moments
throughout the course of the season where even the broadcasts
from time to time would just elect to not show
the replay on what appeared to be a potentially pivotal play.
(08:25):
So we had a lot of that this season, and
that was notable to me. The first thing of course,
not going to the replay. The second thing, just getting
the call wrong, and in some cases when they can
go to the replay, not using it and not choosing
to try and correct the call if something was a
flag was thrown in mistake. A lot of people don't
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know that being a college football ref is not a
full time job. This is not like the NFL. In
the NFL, there is a whole process for this. These
guys are employees of the league. But that is not
the way this works in college football. These guys are
being paid on a per game basis. Clearly, if you're
a power conference reff, you're getting a little bit more
than if you're in like the Mountain West, much more
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if you're like a Division two or Division three ref.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right, But this is the.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
System that they have set up now, where these guys
are not full time employees for anyone conference or really
any one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We know.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
College football is decentralized to an extent. These conferences kind
of act as their own little fiefdoms, and that's currently
the way, at least the officiating is configured as well.
I sat next to a Big twelve ref on a
flight a couple of years ago and talked through this
whole thing, and it doesn't see, Michael, whole lot has
changed from that standpoint. But I could tell you what
(09:39):
has changed, and that is the money now involved with
college football. Right. We talk about all the money things
on this show nearly every episode where we're talking about
nil or it's connected to the transfer portal or conference
re alignment or the playoff or the money that is
being invested by some of these networks in college football. Sure,
(10:01):
I can't sit here and say that the per diem
hasn't changed. I don't know that, But I do know
that these guys still aren't employees of any one entity.
And if college football is serious about trying to make
officiating as good as it can be, and this is
something that needs to change, they need to find a
way to make this work. I don't know if guys
are going to be full timers that report into a conference.
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I don't know if some sort of larger governing body
can be set up on behalf of.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well what does that do specifically? Like I agree with like,
if you're going to spend if you want better players,
spend more money. If you want better coaches, spend more money.
If you want a better stadium, spend more money. If
you want better referees, spend more money. And obvious thing
is this, if your sole trade is being an official,
you can focus on that one thing. A lot of
these guys have other jobs. This is not their sole purpose,
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and so if you're just kind of looking at things
bigger picture, that affects how often they can go to
things like training, that affects how often they could their
time available to further hone their craft.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It just feels to me like so much of this
game has matured now and so much money is being
pumped into it. And that's not to say that being
a referee is an easy job. It is a really
hard job to your point. I mean, it's impossible to
get everything right. But if college football is serious about
taking that next step, referees should not be left behind
as part of that process.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's also retention that, like, if you have great referees
that are in the Big twelve, SECAC whatever, and there's
an NFL opportunity, or perhaps they're like gene sterotoring can
do multiple sports, and there's an NBA opportunity or a
college basketball opportunity that's more lucrative. It's not necessarily like,
you know, seven months of professional development, because you really
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only get better at referring football games by refereeing football games,
and there's only so many you can do in June.
So yeah, I think it's retention of your highly graded,
top talent. I think it's a huge part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, I would just like, I would like to see
some setup where these guys are obviously rewarded for doing
a good job, but let's try to promote some competition
among the best of the best in this field by
making it a full time job, by making that job
more appealing to people. If you look up and down
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football right now, I mean there is a shortage of
people who want to be referees. Not everybody could be
an NFL referee at much lower levels. It doesn't pay,
It doesn't pay at all, both in terms of finances
and in terms of just getting yelled at by guys
on the sidelines. Right there's not an impetus to go
into this field. I think maybe again trying to at
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least be solutions oriented here. I think the state of
refereeing was really bad this past season. I think one
thing I hope. One thing that they would look at
is making this a full time gig. Let's try and
track more people into it.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is there anything procedurally out the way college football games
are refereed that you would alter or that annoys you
that they're not refereed in this way?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, I mean as a secondary point on the refereeing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Replay.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Replay has driven me crazy, and I am not one
of these guys that is going to sit here and
say a replay ruins it. It does ruin the flow
of a game. Sure, I think we would all agree
on that. I have long been in favor of using
replay wherever you can. We have the technology, there's no
reason we shouldn't use it to make sure.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We get a call right. Again.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
College tripball has gotten very serious about putting all this
money into it and paying players, and there's a lot
at stake now, much more so than I think ever before.
There's no reason that the technology, if available, shouldn't be
used as something that could make sure we're getting this right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
My issue is the manner in which they use the replay.
And I'm not talking specifically about them just missing a
call here and there, but we need to move to
a more centralized replay system. We need to have the
command center that can radio back to the official and
tell them what the right call is. We do not
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need these ten wasted minutes on big plays where the
referee gets the buzz, the referee runs to the sideline,
the referee looks in the monitor, then the referee goes
out there and announces to everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You want you want there to be like a ninety
second time or a ninety second countdown of some kind.
I just think sixty seconds and forty five seconds. We've
seen this before.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
In other sports, right where they lean a little bit
heavier on their command center that gets all the feeds,
and that command center definitely has the ability to signal
to an official what the right call is. And you know, again,
we see this in all sorts of sports where they
take the official that is on the field or on
the court, or on the ice or whatever, and they
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go to the side, they look in the monitor, and
then they make the decision.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
We don't need to do that. There's no reason that
you need to do that. No, just tell them what
the right call is. You can save us all a
bunch of time. College football is already broken up a
lot with respect to the flow of the game because
we go to replay so often.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
This is one thing that bothers me because they don't
need to do this. I'm sure there's a good reason
for it. I've looked into it, but I don't see
any reason that is justifiable over just having somebody in
your ear tell you what the right call is right.
Just make that a condition of employment, a condition to
the gig. Be willing to accept if you're wrong, if
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somebody else is a video monitors, let's make this quicker.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would Okay, here's a couple of things I would
add about what I would change in the way that
games are officiated. And I like the idea of twenty
thirty seconds. What is the best replay call you can
make from the booth in thirty seconds? That's it. That
if you don't have every angle, you don't have every angle,
do better right thirty seconds, that's what you get. I
would say I would ditch procedural calls that have no
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bearing on the outcome of the play. I would use
the spirit of an uncatchable ball. Therefore we're picking up
the flag with oh there weren't enough or there were
too many guys on the line of scrimmage, had no
bearing on the actual play. Stuff like that, Like, oh,
there was a man down field, there was an offensive
lineman who was five yards downfield, and this team, you
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know that Tennessee or you know Louisiana, completed a thirty
eight yard pass. The guy wasn't blocking anyone five yards
down the field. He was just an ineligible guy five
yards down the field. He wasn't thrown to, and we're
calling back that pass when the penalty had no bearing.
I understand you need rules, But if it's determined in
the moment that this you know, had no bearing on
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the play itself, a ditchit, absolutely ditchit. I would say,
like defensive pass interference in the end zone, just give
him a touchdown, Like if we're going to do that
with goaltending in basketball, Okay, especially like if it's a
situation and we've all seen it, we're like, such a
smart play from that safety to prevent a touchdown. So
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it's smart to do something wrong. If it's smart to
do something wrong, that goes counter to our agreed upon
rules that defensive pass interference should be called when applicable.
Just give a touchdown in the end zone. I would call.
Here's the other thing I would do. Tie And this
just annoys me watching a game ninety nine percent of
which I don't care who wins. I only care about
Oregon games. Sure, what percentage of hail Mary's involves a
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receiver getting brutally interfered with? Pretty much, we've just decided
all We've just decided on the most important play, Like
anything goes, guys, I know this is the most important
play of the game because a team could potentially tie
or win this game. Anything goes. Defense, do whatever you
gotta do. We've just decided. Not that annoys me. That
is something that is just like, okay, well that's a
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weird little wrinkle that we've just all agreed to look
the other way. Okay, So yes, I would. I would
get rid of like somebody holds a jersey and it
prevents somebody from catching a fade, from catching you know,
whatever kind of pattern in the end zone. And it's
smart because it only you know, gives them two yards
because they're already on the four or something like that
in a first down. No, just give a touchdown. Maybe
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if they are a repeated on the second one on
the line. I could that I think is I don't know, conversation.
You're rewarding penalties in that instance.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It seems like a very very stiff penalty to just
award the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But I hear it. I hear you're rewarding a penalty.
I hear you, which kind of runs counter to what
we're talking about here. Can I make another thorn in
my side observation? Please please big noon Saturday. Okay, having
enormous games kick off at noon Easter Time runs counter
to the spirit of the sport unless there is already
(19:00):
like a pre existing condition, a pre existing tradition of
this huge game kicking off at noon Eastern. That's Red
River Shootout. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That sound that I think you just heard. Did you
hear that?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It did.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
No, that's the sound of Joel klatt unsubscribing from this pot.
That's okay, that's okay, that's I mean, I know who
it's for. It's for very specific Fox executives, and that's it. Obviously,
Kevin Warren, Tony Petiti, whoever else we're in the negotiating
room with Fox agreed to it. But it runs counter
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to the spirit of the sport that why why do
you think it Why do you think it runs counters
out of curiosity? We've had noon games for an eternity.
Fox didn't invent the noon game. No, we've had noon
games for an attorney. Big specific, big noon games run
counter If you're trying to sell me on a day
white out, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Out, what looks stupider than a day white out? Like
the Penn State crowd decked in white set against the
night sky. Is the spirit of Penn State football? Is
it not?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So I just think and then the number of times
Ohio State had to play noon games to service Fox
is insane. It's I just I think it runs counter
to what we perceive big game environments to be, or
what I perceive big game environments to be. And I
would go on the other side of that too, Ty,
the super late West Coast games, Yes, if you're a
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West Coast team and you're playing a big game or
playing a game at seven o'clock local or ten o'clock
ten thirty Eastern, is there for TV executives? Obviously the
TV networks are the ones paying the money. It runs
counter to the spirit of the sport. To make a
fan base continually show up for night games and get
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home at like one am. It's anti fan. And these
are things that I would, you know, consider putting a
cap on the super late kickoffs on the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I mean, you're either a TV sport or you're not
a TV sport.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I agree, So I'd say it can happen. Everybody should
take their rotation. But I don't want, you know, Stanford
fans or San Diego State fans or whoever playing seven
games at ten thirty eastern.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I think the noon thing to me is problematic.
And if you're an Ohio State fan. There were a
lot of Ohio State fans, many of them wrote into
us who were all sorts of pissed off about that, And.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think I would be two. I think I would
be too.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, playing in the shoe is an obvious advantage, yeah,
but always being in the same time slot kind of sucks.
And that is anti fan and I don't like it.
And I don't care how Joel Klatt or whoever tries
to justify it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, it's for them, it's for their bosses. It doesn't
that's not a reliable narrator. It's you get less time
to tailgate, you get less time to socialize. You're getting
wrecked at ten forty four am. I think day drinking
is fine. If you like day drinking, you should day drink.
You don't need my permission to do it or not
to do it. Whatever. But like every Saturday, you're kicking
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off at noon local, Like, give them a three thirty game,
give them a four o'clock game, give them a seven
o'clock game. Let people enjoy their friends and fellow fans
in parking lots for an extended stretch of time, like,
I don't know. Again, that runs counter to the ideal
college football fan experience, making people wake up at four
am or whatever it's going to take to drive a
(22:34):
couple hours to Columbus or State College. I assume State
College is two hours from everywhere?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No it is.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are you sure it's at least two hours from everywhere?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh, at least two hours, least two.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Hours maybe from everywhere other than like Harrisburg. Yeah, how
far is like Redding or something? Yeah, Harrisburg.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So what I'm saying is like people are driving to
these places. Not everybody lives in a college town.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Well, so this sort of pushes up against a point
a trend that we have seen in major college football
for a while now, and that is declining attendance. Of course,
and that's not to say this is the culprit for it.
There are obviously a number of different factors. But to
the point, Yeah, if going to the game for whatever reason,
the quality of the sport, the circumstances, Maybe it's late
(23:21):
in the year and the team's already lost games, Maybe
it's just tailgate. Maybe people just want to go to
I know plenty of people who just go to games
to tailgate. They don't actually go into the game. Great,
whatever floats your boat, right, I mean, who are we?
But if for some reason one of those aspects starts
to dwindle off, that could also affect attendance.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Absolutely, I would. I don't know who is mandating regulating
there is. You can't you can't possibly pay more than
twenty dollars for parking, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Like, what did they try to get us for up
at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, I think we got it. We got to steal
at like sixty bucks. We parked in dude's backyard. It
was great.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But the media, the media parking pass which I guess
they figure companies will pay for it was like one
hundred bucks, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It eighty or one hundred bucks? Yeah, it was insane.
We parked like a five minute walk away from the
Big House and it was cheaper.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just if you want to be a popular person,
just run on or make it your platform. Parking is
capped at twenty bucks. Sorry, Like you see this with
stadiums and I don't know if it was it's the
new Clippers Dome, the into It Dome or whatever where
it's just like, yep, hot dogs are three dollars. That's
(24:34):
just what it is. This is not a special, This
is not a one month thing. Like, that's just what
hot dogs are going to cost at our stadium. They're
three dollars and it's the easiest win. Ever. You still
make money on hot dogs at three bucks. You still
make money on parking at twenty bucks a pop with
tens of thousands of people paying, you still make money.
The upkeeck for parking lots is not all that dramatic.
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That's something that like, it's just it's an easy win tie,
it's an easy what's next for you?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Change overtime back? Please?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
They have now gone through a couple different iterations of
the overtime process in college football. I call it a
processcause it feels like a process.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, cheeze.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It bought a fair amount of ad spend this past
year by putting together Almation, a pre produced segment that
ESPN really anyway. I think it was all the networks.
They would put this out there to explain to people
as if it were their first overtime. Anytime overtime came about,
you would get this pre role that would tell you,
(25:37):
all right, here is how it works.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And they do that because it has changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I would go back to the old method of just
starting everybody at the twenty five yard line and take
turns until somebody comes out on top. At first, I
think the novelty of having as we've called it here,
the penalty kicks, the alternating two point conversions. At first,
I thought that was a novel concept. And you know,
they did that for a variety of reasons. It's the
end of the game. People are tired. Okay, it's a
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safety concern. We can cite a safety concern. It also
takes less time, right you're running one play to see
if somebody can get in as opposed to a couple
plays basically a mini drive starting from the twenty five,
it's going to take less time.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I don't know if that's added to the quality of
the overtime though, you know, I mean what we saw
from Georgia and Georgia Tech was fun in the clean,
old fashioned hate game. That was an instant classic because
that went to eight overtime, six or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So would you go to like NFL. No, I'd go
back to the way college used to be. I would
go back to what it used to be. No two
point conversion exchanging. No.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I mean, you can start from the twenty five yard
line and it's your prerogative to go for two if
you want to, but just take turns alternating from the
twenty five. I don't care how long it goes. At
that point in time, everybody's gassed anyway. But this need
that we have to keep redefining overtime and then re
introducing it to the audience. It's all it means that
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you're doing something complicated. Yeah, it does right. And one
theme I think that is central to this conversation is
being antifan or trying not to be anti fan, right,
You keep changing the rules, keep changing conferences, you keep
changing all of these things in college football. It's very
much anti fan. Just keep it straightforward. It can be
very straightforward. Start at the twenty five score if you can.
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If you can't, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Would you go back to ties? No, Okay, there was
something charming looking back, but I don't know if I
felt that way.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't think you could do ties anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, not with where we're at now, with having a
twelve team playoff. I can't even imagine what the committee
would do trying to consider ties. Right, but just go
back to the twenty five, go back the way it
used to be. I didn't think that there was too
big of an issue with that. Like that work for everybody,
and it wasn't perfect. No overtime system is, but that
was at least easy to understand. You didn't have to
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do all this calculus. So I'm I'm on board just
going back to the way it used to be.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'd get rid of coaches interviews at halftime. I don't
know who that service is. I don't know what the
point of it is. If you want to do something
going into halftime. Do something more interesting, have some sort
of x's and o's person break down, like the key
play of the first half. But and you can have
it be the sideline reporter. I think sideline reporters do
have value in that they're like looking at injuries on
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the sideline and reporting on what they're seeing on the sideline.
Pulling a coach in after they're down seventeen at the
half or up three at the half to say, like,
you know, we just got to keep at it. I
think it's a waste to TV. You know, have the
sideline reporter break down the big play, Have Stormy Bona
Tony break down a big play. Fine, great, but I
would I would ditch that element of the broadcast.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
What percentage of those in game coach spots would you
say are actually insightful?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Three to four percent?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
When you get a good one, it can be insightful.
When they talk to Marcus Freeman at halftime of the
National Championship game, I thought he gave voice to what
we were seeing and what they needed to do. He
just sort of confirmed that he was watching the same
gay we were. It's good to get that perspective from
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time to time, but a lot of times you don't
get that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
A lot of times it's.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Just sort of like a brisk exchanging of pleasantries and
then you're not getting that insight. He just happens to
be very good at it. But a lot of coaches
couldn't care less about that spot, and I think it
is gratuitous. So I'd be fine with taking that out
and maybe giving some of the sideline analysts a little
bit more to chew on, you know, showcase what you got,
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what you know, and how you might be able to
add to this broadcast, not just getting hollow comments from
a coach.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I agree, what's your next item?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Customized quadboxes? Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
If if we're gonna harp on this theme of being
fan friendly, hmm, this isn't a big ask. YouTube not
currently a sponsor, probably won't be. I feel like they
pulled a bit of a bait and switch on us,
not just with upping the prices, which they've been doing
now consistently over the last four years, but this was
(30:18):
sort of sold to us as you're gonna be able
to construct your own quadboxes this year, and I think
to an extent they did it could I think they
did it with the NFL. I think they did it
with the NFL where you could actually pick the game.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well this, I think you could select from a bigger
bank of games to construct your own quadbox, but not
a full bank.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, this was not as it was advertised, at least
by some at the start of the year. You still
can't build your own I know there are services. Do
not message me, do not at us. I know there
are other services outside of YouTube that allow you to
do this. Okay, I know this because you've all messaged
me before. But YouTube TV is bigger, it is more popular.
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It's a service that I think a lot of the
people who listen to our show are also watching along
with on Saturdays. There is no reason, no technical reason.
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not the developer doing this,
but clearly they've got the resources to make it happen.
They were able to make it work for the NFL. Yes,
there's no reason that we shouldn't have this capability next season.
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I mean no disrespect to the teams that have been
just sort of along for the ride of my quad
boxes every Saturday. Yeah, I'm not always watching the d
two games that show up in there. I'm not always
watching the Army Navy games that are showing up in there,
all right. From my standpoint, those games don't add a
whole lot of value, So give me the option. They
(31:48):
already show you key plays, they show you stats. They
give you a chance to kind of enhance the home
viewing experience a little bit more by giving you a
couple of litle knickknacks here and there. Yeah, they even gave
us a way to make it seem like it's more
in real time, which we talked about on our on
our live streams. Give us the ability to fully customize
that quadbox.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what I would do, ty, I would pay
more for that, by the way, Oh yeah, I would
pay I personally make it part of a sports package.
I'd love for us to not have to pay more
for that, but I would personally that would make our lives,
I think a little bit easier. I don't want a
quad box. I want a niftier, more uh I friendly
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duo box. I want, like the best way to display
two games at the same time to maximize screen but
also I can't pay attention to four games at the
same time. You got it worked in.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You've got to turn your TV on its side because
everything is sixteen by nine.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You're not strong, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You need to be able to turn your.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
TV on your enter into a uh that's what I want,
like a portrait or landscape mode.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I want to stack.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, you can stack them on top of each other.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's right, this is what well YouTube TV has to
be the leaders. They have to be out front on this. Yep,
turn your TVs vertically.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Put that YouTube video out there showing people how to
turn their TVs around. But a stack, baby, let's do
the stack.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What do you get? What else do you got?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I want more. I know a lot of this is
maybe TV centric, but I want more TV productions to
shame schools by showing empty stadiums.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh okay, well now hold on, who wha whoa hold on?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I'm not saying sports writer from the box, Okay, like, oh,
this is what the crowd looks like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Fifteen seconds people, we're gonna ask ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I want the I want it in four K that
this school is doing an is there's an embarrassing effort
to get butts in seats at wherever.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
How does that benefit anybody?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It lights a fire under the school. It embarrasses them.
Shame Shame works, ty not all, not as well as
it used to, not as well as to as well
as it used to, But I agree, But I think
shame works. And whether it's being better about ticket prices,
better about parking, better about the in stadium experience, better
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about getting rid of a coach who should be you know, terminated,
whatever the reason is why your seats are empty. And
I know like places are trying, like people like to
like crap on Miami. The Miami Stadium is far away,
and they try, they try to do like the two
for one specials and everything like that. Still, though, I
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think if it's the job of TV networks to tell
the story of a game, right, they have mics placed
all around the crowd so you get like the ambient sound,
the environmental sound. You should know that there are twenty
six thousand people in this ninety three thousand seater, and
I know maybe that doesn't encourage people to like stick
around because they feel like they're watching a listless product
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or something like that. Shame these places, shame them into
filling their stadium, doing a better job of filling their state.
I want that I want to know. I want to
know what the place is like that I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That's very cold hearted of you. I'm not necessarily against that,
I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Because there's nothing like a full electric stadium for a
college football even watching the game on TV, there's nothing
like watching like a wall of people bearing down on
this huge moment in like the late third quarter. So
there's nothing wrong with this take, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
My issue with it is so much of the conversation
now is about competitive balance or competitive imbalance, and I
don't know what you are.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Gaining for anyone school.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Let's say it's Stanford, don't you know Stanford, sure cal
a school out on the West coast that doesn't necessarily
pull a huge attendance per game. I don't know if
that is helping solve their problems from a competitive balance standpoint.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
By making a mockery of their attendants.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Not making a mockery. Showing reality time, Okay, you're just
showing reality. Not necessarily show reality when the stadium is
standing room only. Show reality when it's plenty of good
steat seats still available between the thirties, Show that reality,
pan give me, give me the environment and light a
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fire under the people tasked with, you know, generating enthusiasm
about the the in person product of what you know,
Nevada football, Minnesota football, like show reality. That's all I'm
asking for. Tie, Don't do it maliciously. You don't instruct
your announcers to make fun of the attendance. Just show
what's happening in the stadium. Because I feel like they
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try to cover this up. I have another one, Tie, Please.
I think all of these networks need to charge more
for commercials and eliminate blocks. If you want. If sky
Rizzy wants to pay to.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Sky Rizzy, I knew this was going to Sky.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Whatever if if Carl's Junior wants to if football is
such a popular live product, cut the blocks. Charge more
for the blocks. You can't have more than forty five
seconds of commercials. You can't. And I understand this is
what's paying the bills for all these places. This is
a TV product, this is a TV show. Charge more
show Fewer who would object to that if they're so
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in demand. If Ford needs to be in the college
home Depot needs to be in the college world business,
all these places need to be in the college football business. Scarcity,
fewer commercials, charge more again, These are clear wins to me.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Well, it's a win for the fan to have fewer commercials, so.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Win for everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
We get it pretty reliably. I'd imagine anybody in this business,
like you and I are, get messages like this often
when oh boy, here we go commercial again, another commercial,
another commercial, another commercial. There hasn't been a year since
two thousand and eight doing this podcast that we haven't
gotten tweets, social media postings, reverbs, emails, you name it
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about people disgusted by commercials.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Touchdown commercial, kickoff commercial, right, charge more? You want? You
want to show Tracker, you want to show the Doctor Odyssey. Great, say,
and you can have whoever you can have. Sean McDonough say,
like this break between the verse and second quarter is
brought to you by Doc God has a and like
(38:30):
so you get extra repetitions. You show the extended commercial
version of it by Progressive, by you know whoever, heartys
and that's then we're back to the action. I don't know,
I just I think that's such an easy win. What
do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
There is no feeling of dread more pronounced than watching
a game and just seeing it materialize in slow motion
that they're going to break.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yes when they hear the music, start paying.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Even the field of play, and it's always the sense
of impending due. Not to be over dramatic about it,
but nothing kills the flow. We talk about replay replays
its own beast. Nothing kills the flow of the fan
experience at home. If that's what the sport has become
like commercials. I think the NFL is worse, but college
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football has definitely gotten to the point where it's.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A bad product. It's a bad product to cut back
and forth. People want to maximize their football time with
their friends and family. I have another one tie, Oh, okay,
keep going. I have one and a half more. Keep okay,
I've got a couple more. Yeah, congratulations, Your offense has
passed the forty has passed your own forty yard line.
You can't punt.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh you're putting up.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't care if it's fourth and eighteen. I don't
care if you are on your own forty one and
take a twelve yard sack. As soon as your team
hits your own forty yard line, no matter the fourth
down distance, you gotta go, you gotta go. We get
more football plays all due respect to punts, all due
respect to special teams. Congratulations, we have just and we've
just added more dramatic moments to football.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
This is a take, I will say, this is a
take your own forty.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
As soon as you cross your own forty, you can't punt.
As soon as you've accomplished that, you start your drive already,
you know, on the other teams thirty eight on the
other team's forty eight. Whatever, can't punt.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Listen, I'm all about going forward on fourth down. Your
own forty seems a little steeped to me. Your own
forty maybe plus territory. Nope, you're on forty. Wow, You're
all you're doing is adding more big plays to football.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't think I agree with this at all.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You're on your own forty four, it's fourth and six.
You have added You've added a big play, You've added
a high leverage moment to a football game. Congratulations, it
was free. It costs costs nobody anything. Is that barely English?
It didn't cost mean, it didn't will soul anything. Here.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I struggle a little bit with the man.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Your offensive coordinator has to earn their money.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Sorry, I struggle with the mandated play calls like if
you watch the Super Bowl, the Chiefs could not by
rule on side kick it earlier than you know, the
fourth quarter. They just wouldn't let them.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They changed that rule before the start of the year.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They kup it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I still don't get the kickoff rule or what they're
you know, I know it's a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It looks weird to me.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Thankfully, College still does not have the College has not
adopted that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I seem to have worked, like concussions were like, way
way down.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
That is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Absolutely, I'm maybe showing my age here, so.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No, but that was like the that was the reasoning
behind the rule. That was the theory, and the theory
played out.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
The theory played out. But the on side kick thing,
the on site not being able to go for an
on side kick when you're down a couple of scorers
in a big game like the Super Bowl. I hate
the fact that they put that.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Wall up and they wouldn't let them do it.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
But you know what, I think that's stupid, even though
we're mandating that you can't punt. Because I want football
games to feature more acts of aggression and an on
side kick in the second quarter, in the first quarter,
in the third quarter is an act of aggression. Going
forward on fourth and six from your own forty four
is an act of aggression, not defeat, and I think
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football needs that.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
How do we feel about targeting?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Then, speaking of acts, that's that's a penalty. I'm not
talking about that, Okay, we're talking about strategically. I'm talking
about strategic aggression. Punting once you cross the forty I
think enables coaches this like weird sense of security. We're like, look,
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it was still like relatively successful because we pin them
inside their own No. Stop, Wow, it's fourth and six.
This is you're making millions upon millions of dollars. Chip
Kelly made two million dollars. Now he's making six million dollars.
How much is Mike Denbrock making for Notre Dame?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
A lot of money? Couple mill right, a lot of million.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, poor Mike Denbrock making a couple million dollars and
has to figure out a play that might work from
your own forty six yard line on fourth and five.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
This would break Kirk Farence's Breen Kirk ference would be
out if they put this rule in.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Absolutely the best Kirk Farens teams. The best of Kirk
Farens offenses have scored efficiently. They don't score a lot
of points. Their drives are slower, but they move the ball.
They've run the ball, They've had big tight ends. I
do not see a downside to this. Okay, what else
you have to go forth on the fourth down? Once
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you cross, once you hite your own forty.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Your own forty, I think we should move it up.
But I the spirit of it, what you're going for
is not wrong.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
This is this is my ultimate boomer take. Not that
the NCAA is good. Authority figures are good.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Okay, who we've reached? Who's an authority figure?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Unclear? Okay, unclear? This is the problem with the sport, right,
this is the problem with the sport. But we have
gone in to touch such a dramatic degree where we've
demonized authorities, and that anytime somebody in a conference at
the NCAA somewhere makes an eligibility decision that you don't
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agree with, makes a suspension decision that you don't agree with,
you go to the lawyers and you get to sue
your way to what you want. Now, we probably need
a situation in which players are employees and are represented
and agree to a certain set of rules and everybody's
on the same page. But I think there need to
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be authority figures in this sport that you can disagree
with the suspension, you can disagree with an eligibility ruling.
But like, I don't know again, old man, here, you
get a point you have a point three GPA, and
the Big twelve says, you know what, you can't play
this year or you can't play in September, and you
just hire a lawyer to sue your way out of
(44:57):
it and say that that's unconstitutional. Okay, So no rules, right, Like,
there has been this wave of anarchy among fans it
seems where it's just like the NC double A is corrupt,
it's a cartel. Okay, So who should be in charge?
Let's get somebody in charge to make rules and force rules.
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And if you think all rules are bad and everything
should be anarchy, I don't think I can convince you
of anything. But I old man at this point in
my late thirties, early forties ateties, Yeah, I'm okay with
knowing like calling balls and strikes, you can't sue your
way to a strikeout if you're a pitcher. So I'm
good with somebody setting rules and enforcing rules, because right
(45:40):
now the people at charge in charge of conferences are
in charge of TV negotiations, it seems they're not trying
to figure out a playing field, they're not trying to
figure out what's best for the sport. They're not trying
to figure out right and wrong. So I want from
somewhere somehow authority figures. How about that.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with a college football commissioner.
I know that there's been renewed conversation around that, and
I think we're headed in that direction with the sport. Honestly,
I mean, if things have evolved, this sport desperately needs
the commissioner not being scaffolding on top of scaffolding, as
we have joked for years, put somebody in charge of
the whole thing, it'd be a conversation, right because right
(46:23):
now it's Greg Zankee, it's Tony Petiti, it's the network
guys that are kind of running everything. They need to
figure out a way to decouple all that. But I
do think as time goes on here, cries for having
that commissioner are only going to intensify. So I'm with
you on that front. My take on this is that
I don't think it should be Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, right now, if you go around as you ask
people who should be the commissioner of college football, everybody's
as well Nick Saban obviously, yeah, Nick Saban.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He used to be Oliver Lock. Now it's Nick Saban.
I don't think it should be Saban. Saban's a great coach.
Saban clearly has opinions about how those sports should be run,
should be operated. I think part of the reason he
got out of the sport was because of where the
sport has gone, right, because it evolved in a way
that maybe he wasn't too fond of.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So I don't know if that means.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's somebody, you know, with a different mindset, somebody who
has been part of some of these rule changes and
part of getting the sports where it is now. I
don't know who that person is. I don't have the
solution on that front, but in favor of a commissioner,
I don't think it should be saving. But the sooner
we can get somebody in that kind of you know,
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has the sport in his or her best interests, the better.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, I just saw stories about like it was Fave Vincent,
who I think was like considerably the last MLB commissioner's
truly thought of ways to forward, like to move baseball forward,
rather than just to be a mouthpiece for owners. Like
it's a tough person to find. That is going to
be a tough person to find. But like, yeah, I
mean everybody always talks about, you know, different number of
(47:58):
conference games on schedules if the whatever, the Bowl Consortium
whoever decides that, like you get one FCS win to
get to six, Yeah, to be eligible for a bowl. Okay,
if you're a power conference team and you want to
make the playoff, you got to play ten power conference games.
You don't want to play nine in your own conference,
you got to schedule two outside of the conference. I agree,
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that's fine, Okay, I mean just something like that where
you're just like, let's set the other end of things.
If you want to be eligible for the college Football Playoff,
you have to play ten Power conference games. You want
to do eight, eight plus two, you want to do
nine plus one, whatever, however you want to get there,
get there. I'm alway does it.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
I'm all in favor of the commissioner. I'm all in
favor of the commissioner. I'm all in favor of putting
up some rules. You know, I'm with you on players, teams, coaches, conferences, whomever,
being able to sue their way out of a predictabment.
I you know, it doesn't feel great. It doesn't feel great.
(48:56):
And look, there are plenty of instances over the course
of college football where you know, I'm fine with the lawsuit.
I'm fine with the lawsuits that brought us ANIL and
the transfer port and things like that. Something that the players,
some of the agency back to the players, I'm cool
with that. But you know, we do need more structure now.
We do need more structure. This has turned into a serious,
(49:18):
multi billion dollar business, far beyond what it was even
five years ago. So the time is now to put
somebody in place that can just look after this shepherd
the sport into the next generation. I have one final
thing here as do I continue. My final thing is
that college game day does not need to be three
hours or four hours or seven hours whatever it is
every day. College game day should be one hour, maybe
(49:42):
one hour. I don't need two, I don't need three.
One hour maybe this is me speaking as a college
football podcast scarcity, give me your best hour. I know
a lot of what's coming already on a Saturday morning
because we do this show. This is not an advertisement
to get people to listen to this show by any stretch.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't need all of that. I don't need all
of that. If you have ever had the good fortune
of watching some of like the soccer coverage out of
the UK, and it's not all of it, but some
of it is very meat and potatoes, even when they're
doing highlights. We don't got the catchphrases. We don't even
have any kind of commentary.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
These are the clips.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
You get to watch the clips, then somebody comes back
on screen introduces the next game, and then you watch
the clips for that game. College game Day can be
a little bit more personality driven than that, but there
is definitely, I think a novelty in just watching something,
getting the information you want, getting ready for the day ahead,
without all the extra frills.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I don't need that.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Do the head thing at the end with the with
the mascotthead like that's a tradition unlike any other. You know,
keep the charm of college game. I just don't need
three hours of it.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I want two. I want two hours of game day.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I don't even need that.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
I don't need I know you don't. But some of
us in this college football universe tie live in the
culture of the sports, and college football or college game
day is the centerpiece of the culture of this sport.
I don't know who would come in second other than us, Tye.
But with that kind of platform, you're going to Knoxville,
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You're going to Champagne. I don't know if they've ever
been to Champagne. You're going to wherever. Take a segment
to appreciate that you're here, and this is what college
football is like here. This is the tradition of being here.
Obviously you go to Alabama a million times. You got
to find new stories, You got to do new things right.
You want to tell a story like a human interest story. Okay,
tell one, tell one human interest story. Make it a banger,
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put all your meat and potatoes behind it. That's great.
You want to talk about you want to have like
a roundtable discussion of some kind. You want to have
Pat McAfee find somebody to kick it through. I think
all that's fun that's good TV. That's great. That's your
first hour and your second hour is an extensive look
at the day ahead. Let the preview breathe a little
bit more. That's why people are excited to be there
(51:59):
on Saturday morning. Let's not have somebody skim through the
fact that, Like, we have the butt game this week
in Baylor, Texas Tech, and you just you'll force whoever
Desmond Howard or Nick Saban into like I think Texas
Tech is the better team. Give me the Red Raiders, like, no,
give me some meat. You are the state meat of
the board. All right, final thing before we let the
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fine people go. I have one and a half continue
before it is yours. Okay, my my main thing, Well,
these are two kind of half half things. Uh, DJs.
I want DJs nowhere near my sport.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Okay, I gonna say where you go with this? Fair enough?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I want DJs nowhere near my stadiums. I want DJs
nowhere near my tailgates. I think marching bands are great.
I think you want to pipe in noise. Whatever. The
DJ thing, it's an old man take. It's a boomer.
It's old man yelling at clouds. Get DJs away from my.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Sport DJs pro fan anti DJ the solid Yes, I
don't want that describe.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
The other thing that I hate this is it's extremely
specific good. It's a rainy day tie, it's a rainy
day in Raleigh, it's a rainy day wherever. And you've
got a receiver, you've got a quarterback, whatever, and they've
got the towel tucked into their waistband. They dry off
their hands because they want to maximize dryness before this
play in which they have to throw a bomb, or
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they have to not screw up a handoff, or they
have to catch an out pattern, whatever, And they take
the towel, they dry their hands, and then they throw
the towel behind them and there's just a towel sitting
on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Drive me crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
I lose my mind. I can't watch a play if
there's a towel on the field like this could go backwards.
This play could go backwards. We could have a bad snap,
we could have a receiver try to reverse field because
the initial attempt isn't there, and all of a sudden,
there is a towel in somebody's path. I can't have
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people throwing towels on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
No towels in the field.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I can't have it. Tie.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Is it a fifteen yard penalty? What should that be?
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I don't know. I think everybody needs to figure out
how to do like the wearable fanny pack thing and
dry their hands like that the dryer hands throw the
towel four yards behind the play. I don't know, man,
it makes my skin crawl.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
It does make my skin crawl a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Trips just there's an active towel on the field. Minnesota
can't have it. So I don't know what the solution
is there, but we can't have it. I think those
are my old man grievo and.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Those are mine too.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Look, thank you to the Verballer hood for allowing us
to be old men on this episode. We would encourage
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Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, if you're watching the video of it on YouTube,
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Speaker 3 (54:44):
Would love to hear from you. Get your thoughts on
some of our ideas, maybe those we didn't have a
chance to cover. We got a long off season, dog
we can talk about many more of these. If any
bubble to the surface and give us some reason to
do so.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
So yes, welcome.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
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Speaker 1 (55:18):
Of course, if you made it this far, I think
you're ready.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
In so why don't we leave it there Dan, for
that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,
Ti Hillebrand, thank you for indulging us here some of
our cockamamie proposals.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
We'll catch you all. Stay solid, peace,
Welcome to the solid verbal hull.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
That for me.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I'm a man, I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
For I've heard so many players say, well, I want
to be happy. You want to be happy for Dake
Edith Steak.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Is that woo whoo?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And them?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
And Tie.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Dan Robstein.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Congratulations to your Philadelphia Eagles on their big Super Bowl victory.
I know you right Hill, fully plugged in, fully dialed
in in the headset with Nick Sirianni, very into the
football game.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Your Eagles want congratulations, sir, how are you?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I was mostly locked in on the score bug, the
new Fox score bug, which honestly tie.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I think they took a nice swing. I messaged you
about this, not about the.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Ghost cooking at the time, but I'm specifically about the
score bug. I admire the swing. I would tweak it
a little if I were in some sort of consultation
meeting with the Fox graphical people. I like bold, I
like clean, I like clear. I don't like the overly
convoluted like belt that ESPN has been putting forth. I
(01:10):
want it a little bit smaller, probably in that position
if they're going to go bottom center, and I like
that they use the sort of big bold San Sarah
like thick fox font for the KC and the PHI.
I like that. I like your immediately looking at the
screen and you know what's going on. I thought it
(01:33):
could be just shrunk down a little bit and I
would put a little bit of a background behind the
numbers of the score transparent, like twenty five percent opacity, right,
I like five percent.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I love this conversation.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
This is not going to be the show, by the way,
but please fifteen percent, Philly, please continue. No, I'm not
an Eagles fan. I'm not an Eagles hater. I like
a lot of the players on the Eagles. I love
Devonte Smith and have since college. And I think he's
the first Alabama player to score a receiving or rushing
or any kind of all purpose touchdown a non touchdown
(02:07):
pass right, yeah, and the touchdown which was like the
dagger touchdown. Right, this is not an NFL show, but
the dagger touchdown deep play action pass over the middle.
He did one of my favorite football things, which is
running counter to the theme of this episode, things that
I just inexplicably enjoy, and that is when a player,
(02:28):
in this case Devontae Smith is running at full speed
and looks like He's barely jogging, and the only reason
you know he's running at full speed is because the
corner that's chasing him is putting forth one hundred and
forty percent overheating excite bike energy, trying to keep up.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Holding down that be button a little bit like the.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Shoulders are wiggling, the neck is bobbing back and forth
at the corner is running for his dear life to
try and catch DeVante Smith. And Avante Smith is like
on a treadmill at the doctor's office, just like, Oh, yeah,
this is what you want me to do. Okay, I
guess I'll catch this ball. It was a thing of
beauty to watch that specific touchdown. I apologize any Chiefs
fans listening, but our chieves chieves Thans fans here, But
(03:12):
Davante Smith is just a wonder of football, and I
enjoyed that a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Congratulations to the Birds.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
People were shooting off fireworks here in my neck of
the woods, deep in late of the night, as you
might expect. It's probably going to continue through the weekend
until they get this parade over with. But football now
officially in the books. We had the college Championship game
a few weeks back, the NFL takes its sweet time,
but the Super Bowl is sort of a bigger deal
that is now in the books as well. And I
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guess with all that being said, we picked now this episode,
as I guess, along the lines of the score Bug conversation, sure,
as just a way to get some stuff off of
our chests.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Pour.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yes, agree, these are not so much things that I
think we enjoy, not so much things that we are applauding,
but these are things that grind our gears to an
extent with college football, and your edict before we hit
record here was to try and be solutions oriented, not
(04:20):
to just come out here and complain about vari.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yeah, and I'm not trying to solve all of the
problems of the sport perceive problems, but like, let's spin
this in the like, Okay, what's what's something that could
potentially what path could we go down to make this
a better thing?
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Absolutely, so we're gonna spout off some things here over
the next forty five minutes or so. We would encourage
you to do the very same. Hit us up on
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Speaker 1 (04:49):
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Speaker 3 (05:08):
Dan, I do not have my Frank Costanza. I got
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So I don't know if you have anything on your
end that you'd like to use in Frank's place, in
his stead, but we need something good, question fitting that
can introduce the segment.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
What do I have here? I mean we're dialing up
you were going into the computer banks here. Well, that's
kind of communist, it's unpleasant.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Let's talk about the state of officiating in college football. Dan,
how did you feel about officiating this past season? How
did I feel about officiating this past season. I'm never
a huge fan, but I'm also a person that tries
to do his best and saying it's kind of an
impossible job. So I'm trying to think if there were
(06:04):
any Oregon moments that were particularly heinous, Like Oregon had
an interception against Ohio State early that didn't end up
costing them.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
The game, but it wasn't reviewed right. So I think
on the margins there are some things that could be
improved process wise that like, you know, if you have
an eye in the sky, you know you have your
replay official whatever that they need to be perhaps in
those and that's a very specific situation, a little bit
quicker on the uptick to be like, you know what,
(06:32):
stand over the ball for another few seconds, sure, another
five seconds, another seven and a half seconds before letting
the next play go forward. There are those instances. I
know there's like the automatically reviewed plays and touchdowns and everything,
but I think there are times where and I don't
like extensive replays, I don't like the ability to challenge
(06:55):
penalties stuff like that, but a potential change of possession
or a potential score, I think, let's take an extra
handful of seconds, that would be you know, in my estimation,
one of the bigger needs of this sport.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Well, officiating, I think is certainly it's always a hot
button thing. Everybody likes to gang up on the refs,
and though I think we try not to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
There are some.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Times where you just have to right where we're doing
live streams, where we're talking about football games after the fact,
you'd be remiss to not mention some controversial calls that
may or may not impact the result. Okay, we saw
that in the Texas Arizona State game. We have seen
it throughout the course of this past season. And again
(07:40):
this is anecdotal. I don't have any kind of like
quantitative metrics that I can point to and say, yes,
it was worse because of X, Y and Z. I
don't have that, but I can tell you, as a
fan who watches as much, if not more, college football
than anybody, it felt to me like the officiating this
year was worse. Two things that jumped out to me.
(08:01):
First Off, there was the I guess weirdness with respect
to not using the replay when it felt like they
should have. To your point, right, there were these moments
throughout the course of the season where even the broadcasts
from time to time would just elect to not show
the replay on what appeared to be a potentially pivotal play.
(08:25):
So we had a lot of that this season, and
that was notable to me. The first thing of course,
not going to the replay. The second thing, just getting
the call wrong, and in some cases when they can
go to the replay, not using it and not choosing
to try and correct the call if something was a
flag was thrown in mistake. A lot of people don't
(08:45):
know that being a college football ref is not a
full time job. This is not like the NFL. In
the NFL, there is a whole process for this. These
guys are employees of the league. But that is not
the way this works in college football. These guys are
being paid on a per game basis. Clearly, if you're
a power conference reff, you're getting a little bit more
than if you're in like the Mountain West, much more
(09:06):
if you're like a Division two or Division three ref.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Right, But this is the.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
System that they have set up now, where these guys
are not full time employees for anyone conference or really
any one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
We know.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
College football is decentralized to an extent. These conferences kind
of act as their own little fiefdoms, and that's currently
the way, at least the officiating is configured as well.
I sat next to a Big twelve ref on a
flight a couple of years ago and talked through this
whole thing, and it doesn't see, Michael, whole lot has
changed from that standpoint. But I could tell you what
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has changed, and that is the money now involved with
college football. Right. We talk about all the money things
on this show nearly every episode where we're talking about
nil or it's connected to the transfer portal or conference
re alignment or the playoff or the money that is
being invested by some of these networks in college football. Sure,
(10:01):
I can't sit here and say that the per diem
hasn't changed. I don't know that, But I do know
that these guys still aren't employees of any one entity.
And if college football is serious about trying to make
officiating as good as it can be, and this is
something that needs to change, they need to find a
way to make this work. I don't know if guys
are going to be full timers that report into a conference.
(10:25):
I don't know if some sort of larger governing body
can be set up on behalf of.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well what does that do specifically? Like I agree with like,
if you're going to spend if you want better players,
spend more money. If you want better coaches, spend more money.
If you want a better stadium, spend more money. If
you want better referees, spend more money. And obvious thing
is this, if your sole trade is being an official,
you can focus on that one thing. A lot of
these guys have other jobs. This is not their sole purpose,
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and so if you're just kind of looking at things
bigger picture, that affects how often they can go to
things like training, that affects how often they could their
time available to further hone their craft.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It just feels to me like so much of this
game has matured now and so much money is being
pumped into it. And that's not to say that being
a referee is an easy job. It is a really
hard job to your point. I mean, it's impossible to
get everything right. But if college football is serious about
taking that next step, referees should not be left behind
as part of that process.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's also retention that, like, if you have great referees
that are in the Big twelve, SECAC whatever, and there's
an NFL opportunity, or perhaps they're like gene sterotoring can
do multiple sports, and there's an NBA opportunity or a
college basketball opportunity that's more lucrative. It's not necessarily like,
you know, seven months of professional development, because you really
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only get better at referring football games by refereeing football games,
and there's only so many you can do in June.
So yeah, I think it's retention of your highly graded,
top talent. I think it's a huge part of it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, I would just like, I would like to see
some setup where these guys are obviously rewarded for doing
a good job, but let's try to promote some competition
among the best of the best in this field by
making it a full time job, by making that job
more appealing to people. If you look up and down
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football right now, I mean there is a shortage of
people who want to be referees. Not everybody could be
an NFL referee at much lower levels. It doesn't pay,
It doesn't pay at all, both in terms of finances
and in terms of just getting yelled at by guys
on the sidelines. Right there's not an impetus to go
into this field. I think maybe again trying to at
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least be solutions oriented here. I think the state of
refereeing was really bad this past season. I think one
thing I hope. One thing that they would look at
is making this a full time gig. Let's try and
track more people into it.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Is there anything procedurally out the way college football games
are refereed that you would alter or that annoys you
that they're not refereed in this way?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, I mean as a secondary point on the refereeing thing.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Replay.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Replay has driven me crazy, and I am not one
of these guys that is going to sit here and
say a replay ruins it. It does ruin the flow
of a game. Sure, I think we would all agree
on that. I have long been in favor of using
replay wherever you can. We have the technology, there's no
reason we shouldn't use it to make sure.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
We get a call right. Again.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
College tripball has gotten very serious about putting all this
money into it and paying players, and there's a lot
at stake now, much more so than I think ever before.
There's no reason that the technology, if available, shouldn't be
used as something that could make sure we're getting this right.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
My issue is the manner in which they use the replay.
And I'm not talking specifically about them just missing a
call here and there, but we need to move to
a more centralized replay system. We need to have the
command center that can radio back to the official and
tell them what the right call is. We do not
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need these ten wasted minutes on big plays where the
referee gets the buzz, the referee runs to the sideline,
the referee looks in the monitor, then the referee goes
out there and announces to everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
You want you want there to be like a ninety
second time or a ninety second countdown of some kind.
I just think sixty seconds and forty five seconds. We've
seen this before.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
In other sports, right where they lean a little bit
heavier on their command center that gets all the feeds,
and that command center definitely has the ability to signal
to an official what the right call is. And you know, again,
we see this in all sorts of sports where they
take the official that is on the field or on
the court, or on the ice or whatever, and they
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go to the side, they look in the monitor, and
then they make the decision.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
We don't need to do that. There's no reason that
you need to do that. No, just tell them what
the right call is. You can save us all a
bunch of time. College football is already broken up a
lot with respect to the flow of the game because
we go to replay so often.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
This is one thing that bothers me because they don't
need to do this. I'm sure there's a good reason
for it. I've looked into it, but I don't see
any reason that is justifiable over just having somebody in
your ear tell you what the right call is right.
Just make that a condition of employment, a condition to
the gig. Be willing to accept if you're wrong, if
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somebody else is a video monitors, let's make this quicker.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I would Okay, here's a couple of things I would
add about what I would change in the way that
games are officiated. And I like the idea of twenty
thirty seconds. What is the best replay call you can
make from the booth in thirty seconds? That's it. That
if you don't have every angle, you don't have every angle,
do better right thirty seconds, that's what you get. I
would say I would ditch procedural calls that have no
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bearing on the outcome of the play. I would use
the spirit of an uncatchable ball. Therefore we're picking up
the flag with oh there weren't enough or there were
too many guys on the line of scrimmage, had no
bearing on the actual play. Stuff like that, Like, oh,
there was a man down field, there was an offensive
lineman who was five yards downfield, and this team, you
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know that Tennessee or you know Louisiana, completed a thirty
eight yard pass. The guy wasn't blocking anyone five yards
down the field. He was just an ineligible guy five
yards down the field. He wasn't thrown to, and we're
calling back that pass when the penalty had no bearing.
I understand you need rules, But if it's determined in
the moment that this you know, had no bearing on
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the play itself, a ditchit, absolutely ditchit. I would say,
like defensive pass interference in the end zone, just give
him a touchdown, Like if we're going to do that
with goaltending in basketball, Okay, especially like if it's a
situation and we've all seen it, we're like, such a
smart play from that safety to prevent a touchdown. So
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it's smart to do something wrong. If it's smart to
do something wrong, that goes counter to our agreed upon
rules that defensive pass interference should be called when applicable.
Just give a touchdown in the end zone. I would call.
Here's the other thing I would do. Tie And this
just annoys me watching a game ninety nine percent of
which I don't care who wins. I only care about
Oregon games. Sure, what percentage of hail Mary's involves a
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receiver getting brutally interfered with? Pretty much, we've just decided
all We've just decided on the most important play, Like
anything goes, guys, I know this is the most important
play of the game because a team could potentially tie
or win this game. Anything goes. Defense, do whatever you
gotta do. We've just decided. Not that annoys me. That
is something that is just like, okay, well that's a
(17:57):
weird little wrinkle that we've just all agreed to look
the other way. Okay, So yes, I would. I would
get rid of like somebody holds a jersey and it
prevents somebody from catching a fade, from catching you know,
whatever kind of pattern in the end zone. And it's
smart because it only you know, gives them two yards
because they're already on the four or something like that
in a first down. No, just give a touchdown. Maybe
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if they are a repeated on the second one on
the line. I could that I think is I don't know, conversation.
You're rewarding penalties in that instance.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It seems like a very very stiff penalty to just
award the touchdown.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
But I hear it. I hear you're rewarding a penalty.
I hear you, which kind of runs counter to what
we're talking about here. Can I make another thorn in
my side observation? Please please big noon Saturday. Okay, having
enormous games kick off at noon Easter Time runs counter
to the spirit of the sport unless there is already
(19:00):
like a pre existing condition, a pre existing tradition of
this huge game kicking off at noon Eastern. That's Red
River Shootout. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
That sound that I think you just heard. Did you
hear that?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
It did.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
No, that's the sound of Joel klatt unsubscribing from this pot.
That's okay, that's okay, that's I mean, I know who
it's for. It's for very specific Fox executives, and that's it. Obviously,
Kevin Warren, Tony Petiti, whoever else we're in the negotiating
room with Fox agreed to it. But it runs counter
(19:37):
to the spirit of the sport that why why do
you think it Why do you think it runs counters
out of curiosity? We've had noon games for an eternity.
Fox didn't invent the noon game. No, we've had noon
games for an attorney. Big specific, big noon games run
counter If you're trying to sell me on a day
white out, I'm.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Out, what looks stupider than a day white out? Like
the Penn State crowd decked in white set against the
night sky. Is the spirit of Penn State football? Is
it not?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
I agree?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
So I just think and then the number of times
Ohio State had to play noon games to service Fox
is insane. It's I just I think it runs counter
to what we perceive big game environments to be, or
what I perceive big game environments to be. And I
would go on the other side of that too, Ty,
the super late West Coast games, Yes, if you're a
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West Coast team and you're playing a big game or
playing a game at seven o'clock local or ten o'clock
ten thirty Eastern, is there for TV executives? Obviously the
TV networks are the ones paying the money. It runs
counter to the spirit of the sport. To make a
fan base continually show up for night games and get
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home at like one am. It's anti fan. And these
are things that I would, you know, consider putting a
cap on the super late kickoffs on the West Coast.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I mean, you're either a TV sport or you're not
a TV sport.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I agree, So I'd say it can happen. Everybody should
take their rotation. But I don't want, you know, Stanford
fans or San Diego State fans or whoever playing seven
games at ten thirty eastern.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, I think the noon thing to me is problematic.
And if you're an Ohio State fan. There were a
lot of Ohio State fans, many of them wrote into
us who were all sorts of pissed off about that, And.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think I would be two. I think I would
be too.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, playing in the shoe is an obvious advantage, yeah,
but always being in the same time slot kind of sucks.
And that is anti fan and I don't like it.
And I don't care how Joel Klatt or whoever tries
to justify it.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Well, it's for them, it's for their bosses. It doesn't
that's not a reliable narrator. It's you get less time
to tailgate, you get less time to socialize. You're getting
wrecked at ten forty four am. I think day drinking
is fine. If you like day drinking, you should day drink.
You don't need my permission to do it or not
to do it. Whatever. But like every Saturday, you're kicking
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off at noon local, Like, give them a three thirty game,
give them a four o'clock game, give them a seven
o'clock game. Let people enjoy their friends and fellow fans
in parking lots for an extended stretch of time, like,
I don't know. Again, that runs counter to the ideal
college football fan experience, making people wake up at four
am or whatever it's going to take to drive a
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couple hours to Columbus or State College. I assume State
College is two hours from everywhere?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No it is.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Are you sure it's at least two hours from everywhere?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Oh, at least two hours, least two.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Hours maybe from everywhere other than like Harrisburg. Yeah, how
far is like Redding or something? Yeah, Harrisburg.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So what I'm saying is like people are driving to
these places. Not everybody lives in a college town.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Well, so this sort of pushes up against a point
a trend that we have seen in major college football
for a while now, and that is declining attendance. Of course,
and that's not to say this is the culprit for it.
There are obviously a number of different factors. But to
the point, Yeah, if going to the game for whatever reason,
the quality of the sport, the circumstances, Maybe it's late
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in the year and the team's already lost games, Maybe
it's just tailgate. Maybe people just want to go to
I know plenty of people who just go to games
to tailgate. They don't actually go into the game. Great,
whatever floats your boat, right, I mean, who are we?
But if for some reason one of those aspects starts
to dwindle off, that could also affect attendance.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Absolutely, I would. I don't know who is mandating regulating
there is. You can't you can't possibly pay more than
twenty dollars for parking, you cannot.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Like, what did they try to get us for up
at Michigan.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Well, I think we got it. We got to steal
at like sixty bucks. We parked in dude's backyard. It
was great.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
But the media, the media parking pass which I guess
they figure companies will pay for it was like one
hundred bucks, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It eighty or one hundred bucks? Yeah, it was insane.
We parked like a five minute walk away from the
Big House and it was cheaper.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
I just if you want to be a popular person,
just run on or make it your platform. Parking is
capped at twenty bucks. Sorry, Like you see this with
stadiums and I don't know if it was it's the
new Clippers Dome, the into It Dome or whatever where
it's just like, yep, hot dogs are three dollars. That's
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just what it is. This is not a special, This
is not a one month thing. Like, that's just what
hot dogs are going to cost at our stadium. They're
three dollars and it's the easiest win. Ever. You still
make money on hot dogs at three bucks. You still
make money on parking at twenty bucks a pop with
tens of thousands of people paying, you still make money.
The upkeeck for parking lots is not all that dramatic.
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That's something that like, it's just it's an easy win tie,
it's an easy what's next for you?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Change overtime back? Please?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
They have now gone through a couple different iterations of
the overtime process in college football. I call it a
processcause it feels like a process.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, cheeze.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
It bought a fair amount of ad spend this past
year by putting together Almation, a pre produced segment that
ESPN really anyway. I think it was all the networks.
They would put this out there to explain to people
as if it were their first overtime. Anytime overtime came about,
you would get this pre role that would tell you,
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all right, here is how it works.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
And they do that because it has changed a lot.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I would go back to the old method of just
starting everybody at the twenty five yard line and take
turns until somebody comes out on top. At first, I
think the novelty of having as we've called it here,
the penalty kicks, the alternating two point conversions. At first,
I thought that was a novel concept. And you know,
they did that for a variety of reasons. It's the
end of the game. People are tired. Okay, it's a
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safety concern. We can cite a safety concern. It also
takes less time, right you're running one play to see
if somebody can get in as opposed to a couple
plays basically a mini drive starting from the twenty five,
it's going to take less time.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I don't know if that's added to the quality of
the overtime though, you know, I mean what we saw
from Georgia and Georgia Tech was fun in the clean,
old fashioned hate game. That was an instant classic because
that went to eight overtime, six or whatever it was.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So would you go to like NFL. No, I'd go
back to the way college used to be. I would
go back to what it used to be. No two
point conversion exchanging. No.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I mean, you can start from the twenty five yard
line and it's your prerogative to go for two if
you want to, but just take turns alternating from the
twenty five. I don't care how long it goes. At
that point in time, everybody's gassed anyway. But this need
that we have to keep redefining overtime and then re
introducing it to the audience. It's all it means that
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you're doing something complicated. Yeah, it does right. And one
theme I think that is central to this conversation is
being antifan or trying not to be anti fan, right,
You keep changing the rules, keep changing conferences, you keep
changing all of these things in college football. It's very
much anti fan. Just keep it straightforward. It can be
very straightforward. Start at the twenty five score if you can.
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If you can't, you're gonna lose.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Would you go back to ties? No, Okay, there was
something charming looking back, but I don't know if I
felt that way.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I don't think you could do ties anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Okay, not with where we're at now, with having a
twelve team playoff. I can't even imagine what the committee
would do trying to consider ties. Right, but just go
back to the twenty five, go back the way it
used to be. I didn't think that there was too
big of an issue with that. Like that work for everybody,
and it wasn't perfect. No overtime system is, but that
was at least easy to understand. You didn't have to
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do all this calculus. So I'm I'm on board just
going back to the way it used to be.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
I'd get rid of coaches interviews at halftime. I don't
know who that service is. I don't know what the
point of it is. If you want to do something
going into halftime. Do something more interesting, have some sort
of x's and o's person break down, like the key
play of the first half. But and you can have
it be the sideline reporter. I think sideline reporters do
have value in that they're like looking at injuries on
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the sideline and reporting on what they're seeing on the sideline.
Pulling a coach in after they're down seventeen at the
half or up three at the half to say, like,
you know, we just got to keep at it. I
think it's a waste to TV. You know, have the
sideline reporter break down the big play, Have Stormy Bona
Tony break down a big play. Fine, great, but I
would I would ditch that element of the broadcast.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
What percentage of those in game coach spots would you
say are actually insightful?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Three to four percent?
Speaker 1 (28:59):
It's not a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
When you get a good one, it can be insightful.
When they talk to Marcus Freeman at halftime of the
National Championship game, I thought he gave voice to what
we were seeing and what they needed to do. He
just sort of confirmed that he was watching the same
gay we were. It's good to get that perspective from
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time to time, but a lot of times you don't
get that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
A lot of times it's.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Just sort of like a brisk exchanging of pleasantries and
then you're not getting that insight. He just happens to
be very good at it. But a lot of coaches
couldn't care less about that spot, and I think it
is gratuitous. So I'd be fine with taking that out
and maybe giving some of the sideline analysts a little
bit more to chew on, you know, showcase what you got,
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what you know, and how you might be able to
add to this broadcast, not just getting hollow comments from
a coach.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I agree, what's your next item?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Customized quadboxes? Okay?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
If if we're gonna harp on this theme of being
fan friendly, hmm, this isn't a big ask. YouTube not
currently a sponsor, probably won't be. I feel like they
pulled a bit of a bait and switch on us,
not just with upping the prices, which they've been doing
now consistently over the last four years, but this was
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sort of sold to us as you're gonna be able
to construct your own quadboxes this year, and I think
to an extent they did it could I think they
did it with the NFL. I think they did it
with the NFL where you could actually pick the game.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Well this, I think you could select from a bigger
bank of games to construct your own quadbox, but not
a full bank.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Right, this was not as it was advertised, at least
by some at the start of the year. You still
can't build your own I know there are services. Do
not message me, do not at us. I know there
are other services outside of YouTube that allow you to
do this. Okay, I know this because you've all messaged
me before. But YouTube TV is bigger, it is more popular.
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It's a service that I think a lot of the
people who listen to our show are also watching along
with on Saturdays. There is no reason, no technical reason.
I'm not saying it's easy. I'm not the developer doing this,
but clearly they've got the resources to make it happen.
They were able to make it work for the NFL. Yes,
there's no reason that we shouldn't have this capability next season.
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I mean no disrespect to the teams that have been
just sort of along for the ride of my quad
boxes every Saturday. Yeah, I'm not always watching the d
two games that show up in there. I'm not always
watching the Army Navy games that are showing up in there,
all right. From my standpoint, those games don't add a
whole lot of value, So give me the option. They
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already show you key plays, they show you stats. They
give you a chance to kind of enhance the home
viewing experience a little bit more by giving you a
couple of litle knickknacks here and there. Yeah, they even gave
us a way to make it seem like it's more
in real time, which we talked about on our on
our live streams. Give us the ability to fully customize
that quadbox.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
You know what I would do, ty, I would pay
more for that, by the way, Oh yeah, I would
pay I personally make it part of a sports package.
I'd love for us to not have to pay more
for that, but I would personally that would make our lives,
I think a little bit easier. I don't want a
quad box. I want a niftier, more uh I friendly
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duo box. I want, like the best way to display
two games at the same time to maximize screen but
also I can't pay attention to four games at the
same time. You got it worked in.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You've got to turn your TV on its side because
everything is sixteen by nine.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
You're not strong, you know.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
You need to be able to turn your.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
TV on your enter into a uh that's what I want,
like a portrait or landscape mode.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
I want to stack.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, you can stack them on top of each other.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That's right, this is what well YouTube TV has to
be the leaders. They have to be out front on this. Yep,
turn your TVs vertically.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Put that YouTube video out there showing people how to
turn their TVs around. But a stack, baby, let's do
the stack.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
What do you get? What else do you got?
Speaker 2 (33:15):
I want more. I know a lot of this is
maybe TV centric, but I want more TV productions to
shame schools by showing empty stadiums.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Oh okay, well now hold on, who wha whoa hold on?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I'm not saying sports writer from the box, Okay, like, oh,
this is what the crowd looks like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Fifteen seconds people, we're gonna ask ahead.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I want the I want it in four K that
this school is doing an is there's an embarrassing effort
to get butts in seats at wherever.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
How does that benefit anybody?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
It lights a fire under the school. It embarrasses them.
Shame Shame works, ty not all, not as well as
it used to, not as well as to as well
as it used to, But I agree, But I think
shame works. And whether it's being better about ticket prices,
better about parking, better about the in stadium experience, better
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about getting rid of a coach who should be you know, terminated,
whatever the reason is why your seats are empty. And
I know like places are trying, like people like to
like crap on Miami. The Miami Stadium is far away,
and they try, they try to do like the two
for one specials and everything like that. Still, though, I
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think if it's the job of TV networks to tell
the story of a game, right, they have mics placed
all around the crowd so you get like the ambient sound,
the environmental sound. You should know that there are twenty
six thousand people in this ninety three thousand seater, and
I know maybe that doesn't encourage people to like stick
around because they feel like they're watching a listless product
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or something like that. Shame these places, shame them into
filling their stadium, doing a better job of filling their state.
I want that I want to know. I want to
know what the place is like that I'm watching.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
That's very cold hearted of you. I'm not necessarily against that,
I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Because there's nothing like a full electric stadium for a
college football even watching the game on TV, there's nothing
like watching like a wall of people bearing down on
this huge moment in like the late third quarter. So
there's nothing wrong with this take, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
My issue with it is so much of the conversation
now is about competitive balance or competitive imbalance, and I
don't know what you are.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Gaining for anyone school.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Let's say it's Stanford, don't you know Stanford, sure cal
a school out on the West coast that doesn't necessarily
pull a huge attendance per game. I don't know if
that is helping solve their problems from a competitive balance standpoint.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
By making a mockery of their attendants.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Not making a mockery. Showing reality time, Okay, you're just
showing reality. Not necessarily show reality when the stadium is
standing room only. Show reality when it's plenty of good
steat seats still available between the thirties, Show that reality,
pan give me, give me the environment and light a
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fire under the people tasked with, you know, generating enthusiasm
about the the in person product of what you know,
Nevada football, Minnesota football, like show reality. That's all I'm
asking for. Tie, Don't do it maliciously. You don't instruct
your announcers to make fun of the attendance. Just show
what's happening in the stadium. Because I feel like they
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try to cover this up. I have another one, Tie, Please.
I think all of these networks need to charge more
for commercials and eliminate blocks. If you want. If sky
Rizzy wants to pay to.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Sky Rizzy, I knew this was going to Sky.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Whatever if if Carl's Junior wants to if football is
such a popular live product, cut the blocks. Charge more
for the blocks. You can't have more than forty five
seconds of commercials. You can't. And I understand this is
what's paying the bills for all these places. This is
a TV product, this is a TV show. Charge more
show Fewer who would object to that if they're so
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in demand. If Ford needs to be in the college
home Depot needs to be in the college world business,
all these places need to be in the college football business. Scarcity,
fewer commercials, charge more again, These are clear wins to me.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Well, it's a win for the fan to have fewer commercials, so.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Win for everybody.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
We get it pretty reliably. I'd imagine anybody in this business,
like you and I are, get messages like this often
when oh boy, here we go commercial again, another commercial,
another commercial, another commercial. There hasn't been a year since
two thousand and eight doing this podcast that we haven't
gotten tweets, social media postings, reverbs, emails, you name it
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about people disgusted by commercials.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Touchdown commercial, kickoff commercial, right, charge more? You want? You
want to show Tracker, you want to show the Doctor Odyssey. Great, say,
and you can have whoever you can have. Sean McDonough say,
like this break between the verse and second quarter is
brought to you by Doc God has a and like
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so you get extra repetitions. You show the extended commercial
version of it by Progressive, by you know whoever, heartys
and that's then we're back to the action. I don't know,
I just I think that's such an easy win. What
do you have?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
There is no feeling of dread more pronounced than watching
a game and just seeing it materialize in slow motion
that they're going to break.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yes when they hear the music, start paying.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Even the field of play, and it's always the sense
of impending due. Not to be over dramatic about it,
but nothing kills the flow. We talk about replay replays
its own beast. Nothing kills the flow of the fan
experience at home. If that's what the sport has become
like commercials. I think the NFL is worse, but college
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football has definitely gotten to the point where it's.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
A bad product. It's a bad product to cut back
and forth. People want to maximize their football time with
their friends and family. I have another one tie, Oh, okay,
keep going. I have one and a half more. Keep okay,
I've got a couple more. Yeah, congratulations, Your offense has
passed the forty has passed your own forty yard line.
You can't punt.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Oh you're putting up.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I don't care if it's fourth and eighteen. I don't
care if you are on your own forty one and
take a twelve yard sack. As soon as your team
hits your own forty yard line, no matter the fourth
down distance, you gotta go, you gotta go. We get
more football plays all due respect to punts, all due
respect to special teams. Congratulations, we have just and we've
just added more dramatic moments to football.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
This is a take, I will say, this is a
take your own forty.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
As soon as you cross your own forty, you can't punt.
As soon as you've accomplished that, you start your drive already,
you know, on the other teams thirty eight on the
other team's forty eight. Whatever, can't punt.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Listen, I'm all about going forward on fourth down. Your
own forty seems a little steeped to me. Your own
forty maybe plus territory. Nope, you're on forty. Wow, You're
all you're doing is adding more big plays to football.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I don't think I agree with this at all.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You're on your own forty four, it's fourth and six.
You have added You've added a big play, You've added
a high leverage moment to a football game. Congratulations, it
was free. It costs costs nobody anything. Is that barely English?
It didn't cost mean, it didn't will soul anything. Here.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
I struggle a little bit with the man.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Your offensive coordinator has to earn their money.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Sorry, I struggle with the mandated play calls like if
you watch the Super Bowl, the Chiefs could not by
rule on side kick it earlier than you know, the
fourth quarter. They just wouldn't let them.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They changed that rule before the start of the year.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
They kup it.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
I still don't get the kickoff rule or what they're
you know, I know it's a safety thing.
Speaker 1 (41:21):
It looks weird to me.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Thankfully, College still does not have the College has not
adopted that.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
I seem to have worked, like concussions were like, way
way down.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
That's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
That is a good thing.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Absolutely, I'm maybe showing my age here, so.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
No, but that was like the that was the reasoning
behind the rule. That was the theory, and the theory
played out.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
The theory played out. But the on side kick thing,
the on site not being able to go for an
on side kick when you're down a couple of scorers
in a big game like the Super Bowl. I hate
the fact that they put that.
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Wall up and they wouldn't let them do it.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
But you know what, I think that's stupid, even though
we're mandating that you can't punt. Because I want football
games to feature more acts of aggression and an on
side kick in the second quarter, in the first quarter,
in the third quarter is an act of aggression. Going
forward on fourth and six from your own forty four
is an act of aggression, not defeat, and I think
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football needs that.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
How do we feel about targeting?
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Then, speaking of acts, that's that's a penalty. I'm not
talking about that, Okay, we're talking about strategically. I'm talking
about strategic aggression. Punting once you cross the forty I
think enables coaches this like weird sense of security. We're like, look,
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it was still like relatively successful because we pin them
inside their own No. Stop, Wow, it's fourth and six.
This is you're making millions upon millions of dollars. Chip
Kelly made two million dollars. Now he's making six million dollars.
How much is Mike Denbrock making for Notre Dame?
Speaker 1 (42:51):
A lot of money? Couple mill right, a lot of million.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Yeah, poor Mike Denbrock making a couple million dollars and
has to figure out a play that might work from
your own forty six yard line on fourth and five.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
This would break Kirk Farence's Breen Kirk ference would be
out if they put this rule in.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Absolutely the best Kirk Farens teams. The best of Kirk
Farens offenses have scored efficiently. They don't score a lot
of points. Their drives are slower, but they move the ball.
They've run the ball, They've had big tight ends. I
do not see a downside to this. Okay, what else
you have to go forth on the fourth down? Once
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you cross, once you hite your own forty.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Your own forty, I think we should move it up.
But I the spirit of it, what you're going for
is not wrong.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
This is this is my ultimate boomer take. Not that
the NCAA is good. Authority figures are good.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Okay, who we've reached? Who's an authority figure?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Unclear? Okay, unclear? This is the problem with the sport, right,
this is the problem with the sport. But we have
gone in to touch such a dramatic degree where we've
demonized authorities, and that anytime somebody in a conference at
the NCAA somewhere makes an eligibility decision that you don't
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agree with, makes a suspension decision that you don't agree with,
you go to the lawyers and you get to sue
your way to what you want. Now, we probably need
a situation in which players are employees and are represented
and agree to a certain set of rules and everybody's
on the same page. But I think there need to
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be authority figures in this sport that you can disagree
with the suspension, you can disagree with an eligibility ruling.
But like, I don't know again, old man, here, you
get a point you have a point three GPA, and
the Big twelve says, you know what, you can't play
this year or you can't play in September, and you
just hire a lawyer to sue your way out of
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it and say that that's unconstitutional. Okay, So no rules, right, Like,
there has been this wave of anarchy among fans it
seems where it's just like the NC double A is corrupt,
it's a cartel. Okay, So who should be in charge?
Let's get somebody in charge to make rules and force rules.
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And if you think all rules are bad and everything
should be anarchy, I don't think I can convince you
of anything. But I old man at this point in
my late thirties, early forties ateties, Yeah, I'm okay with
knowing like calling balls and strikes, you can't sue your
way to a strikeout if you're a pitcher. So I'm
good with somebody setting rules and enforcing rules, because right
(45:40):
now the people at charge in charge of conferences are
in charge of TV negotiations, it seems they're not trying
to figure out a playing field, they're not trying to
figure out what's best for the sport. They're not trying
to figure out right and wrong. So I want from
somewhere somehow authority figures. How about that.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with a college football commissioner.
I know that there's been renewed conversation around that, and
I think we're headed in that direction with the sport. Honestly,
I mean, if things have evolved, this sport desperately needs
the commissioner not being scaffolding on top of scaffolding, as
we have joked for years, put somebody in charge of
the whole thing, it'd be a conversation, right because right
(46:23):
now it's Greg Zankee, it's Tony Petiti, it's the network
guys that are kind of running everything. They need to
figure out a way to decouple all that. But I
do think as time goes on here, cries for having
that commissioner are only going to intensify. So I'm with
you on that front. My take on this is that
I don't think it should be Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
Okay, right now, if you go around as you ask
people who should be the commissioner of college football, everybody's
as well Nick Saban obviously, yeah, Nick Saban.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
He used to be Oliver Lock. Now it's Nick Saban.
I don't think it should be Saban. Saban's a great coach.
Saban clearly has opinions about how those sports should be run,
should be operated. I think part of the reason he
got out of the sport was because of where the
sport has gone, right, because it evolved in a way
that maybe he wasn't too fond of.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
So I don't know if that means.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's somebody, you know, with a different mindset, somebody who
has been part of some of these rule changes and
part of getting the sports where it is now. I
don't know who that person is. I don't have the
solution on that front, but in favor of a commissioner,
I don't think it should be saving. But the sooner
we can get somebody in that kind of you know,
(47:32):
has the sport in his or her best interests, the better.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah, I just saw stories about like it was Fave Vincent,
who I think was like considerably the last MLB commissioner's
truly thought of ways to forward, like to move baseball forward,
rather than just to be a mouthpiece for owners. Like
it's a tough person to find. That is going to
be a tough person to find. But like, yeah, I
mean everybody always talks about, you know, different number of
(47:58):
conference games on schedules if the whatever, the Bowl Consortium
whoever decides that, like you get one FCS win to
get to six, Yeah, to be eligible for a bowl. Okay,
if you're a power conference team and you want to
make the playoff, you got to play ten power conference games.
You don't want to play nine in your own conference,
you got to schedule two outside of the conference. I agree,
(48:19):
that's fine, Okay, I mean just something like that where
you're just like, let's set the other end of things.
If you want to be eligible for the college Football Playoff,
you have to play ten Power conference games. You want
to do eight, eight plus two, you want to do
nine plus one, whatever, however you want to get there,
get there. I'm alway does it.
Speaker 3 (48:36):
I'm all in favor of the commissioner. I'm all in
favor of the commissioner. I'm all in favor of putting
up some rules. You know, I'm with you on players, teams, coaches, conferences, whomever,
being able to sue their way out of a predictabment.
I you know, it doesn't feel great. It doesn't feel great.
(48:56):
And look, there are plenty of instances over the course
of college football where you know, I'm fine with the lawsuit.
I'm fine with the lawsuits that brought us ANIL and
the transfer port and things like that. Something that the players,
some of the agency back to the players, I'm cool
with that. But you know, we do need more structure now.
We do need more structure. This has turned into a serious,
(49:18):
multi billion dollar business, far beyond what it was even
five years ago. So the time is now to put
somebody in place that can just look after this shepherd
the sport into the next generation. I have one final
thing here as do I continue. My final thing is
that college game day does not need to be three
hours or four hours or seven hours whatever it is
every day. College game day should be one hour, maybe
(49:42):
one hour. I don't need two, I don't need three.
One hour maybe this is me speaking as a college
football podcast scarcity, give me your best hour. I know
a lot of what's coming already on a Saturday morning
because we do this show. This is not an advertisement
to get people to listen to this show by any stretch.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
I don't need all of that. I don't need all
of that. If you have ever had the good fortune
of watching some of like the soccer coverage out of
the UK, and it's not all of it, but some
of it is very meat and potatoes, even when they're
doing highlights. We don't got the catchphrases. We don't even
have any kind of commentary.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
These are the clips.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
You get to watch the clips, then somebody comes back
on screen introduces the next game, and then you watch
the clips for that game. College game Day can be
a little bit more personality driven than that, but there
is definitely, I think a novelty in just watching something,
getting the information you want, getting ready for the day ahead,
without all the extra frills.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
I don't need that.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Do the head thing at the end with the with
the mascotthead like that's a tradition unlike any other. You know,
keep the charm of college game. I just don't need
three hours of it.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I want two. I want two hours of game day.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I don't even need that.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
I don't need I know you don't. But some of
us in this college football universe tie live in the
culture of the sports, and college football or college game
day is the centerpiece of the culture of this sport.
I don't know who would come in second other than us, Tye.
But with that kind of platform, you're going to Knoxville,
(51:15):
You're going to Champagne. I don't know if they've ever
been to Champagne. You're going to wherever. Take a segment
to appreciate that you're here, and this is what college
football is like here. This is the tradition of being here.
Obviously you go to Alabama a million times. You got
to find new stories, You got to do new things right.
You want to tell a story like a human interest story. Okay,
tell one, tell one human interest story. Make it a banger,
(51:37):
put all your meat and potatoes behind it. That's great.
You want to talk about you want to have like
a roundtable discussion of some kind. You want to have
Pat McAfee find somebody to kick it through. I think
all that's fun that's good TV. That's great. That's your
first hour and your second hour is an extensive look
at the day ahead. Let the preview breathe a little
bit more. That's why people are excited to be there
(51:59):
on Saturday morning. Let's not have somebody skim through the
fact that, Like, we have the butt game this week
in Baylor, Texas Tech, and you just you'll force whoever
Desmond Howard or Nick Saban into like I think Texas
Tech is the better team. Give me the Red Raiders, like, no,
give me some meat. You are the state meat of
the board. All right, final thing before we let the
(52:20):
fine people go. I have one and a half continue
before it is yours. Okay, my my main thing, Well,
these are two kind of half half things. Uh, DJs.
I want DJs nowhere near my sport.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Okay, I gonna say where you go with this? Fair enough?
Speaker 2 (52:35):
I want DJs nowhere near my stadiums. I want DJs
nowhere near my tailgates. I think marching bands are great.
I think you want to pipe in noise. Whatever. The
DJ thing, it's an old man take. It's a boomer.
It's old man yelling at clouds. Get DJs away from my.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Sport DJs pro fan anti DJ the solid Yes, I
don't want that describe.
Speaker 2 (52:54):
The other thing that I hate this is it's extremely
specific good. It's a rainy day tie, it's a rainy
day in Raleigh, it's a rainy day wherever. And you've
got a receiver, you've got a quarterback, whatever, and they've
got the towel tucked into their waistband. They dry off
their hands because they want to maximize dryness before this
play in which they have to throw a bomb, or
(53:15):
they have to not screw up a handoff, or they
have to catch an out pattern, whatever, And they take
the towel, they dry their hands, and then they throw
the towel behind them and there's just a towel sitting
on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Drive me crazy.
Speaker 2 (53:27):
I lose my mind. I can't watch a play if
there's a towel on the field like this could go backwards.
This play could go backwards. We could have a bad snap,
we could have a receiver try to reverse field because
the initial attempt isn't there, and all of a sudden,
there is a towel in somebody's path. I can't have
(53:49):
people throwing towels on the field.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
No towels in the field.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
I can't have it. Tie.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Is it a fifteen yard penalty? What should that be?
Speaker 2 (53:57):
I don't know. I think everybody needs to figure out
how to do like the wearable fanny pack thing and
dry their hands like that the dryer hands throw the
towel four yards behind the play. I don't know, man,
it makes my skin crawl.
Speaker 1 (54:10):
It does make my skin crawl a little bit.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Trips just there's an active towel on the field. Minnesota
can't have it. So I don't know what the solution
is there, but we can't have it. I think those
are my old man grievo and.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Those are mine too.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
Look, thank you to the Verballer hood for allowing us
to be old men on this episode. We would encourage
you please hit us up Celverble at gmail dot com,
cross any of our social platforms wherever you can lead
it cont leave a comment.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, if you're watching the video of it on YouTube,
throw it down there.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Would love to hear from you. Get your thoughts on
some of our ideas, maybe those we didn't have a
chance to cover. We got a long off season, dog
we can talk about many more of these. If any
bubble to the surface and give us some reason to
do so.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
So yes, welcome.
Speaker 3 (55:01):
All input from the verballer hood. Please check us out
at forbawlers dot com. By the way, we still do
the ad free episodes of bonus content, still get access
to the discord server and whatever else we're cooking up
here in the off season, So that's a great way
you can help support what Dan and I do, other
than just hitting follow or subscribe.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
Of course, if you made it this far, I think
you're ready.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
In so why don't we leave it there Dan, for
that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself,
Ti Hillebrand, thank you for indulging us here some of
our cockamamie proposals.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
We'll catch you all. Stay solid, peace,
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