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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal holleh for me, I'm a man,
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Tie Dan Rubinstein, welcome back. Happy eleven eleven. My friend,
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
That's a lyric in something Corporate's constantine, the saddest and
most emotional song of Dan Rubinstein's I don't Know eighteenth
nineteenth year on this beautiful planet. I didn't plan on
starting the show talking about that, but here we are, Ty,
I'm great. It's post week eleven heading into week twelve.
I know you're like itching to talk Delaware football and
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they're crazy ending from Saturday? What else do we have
late Saturday? By the way, though Nebraska UCLA was going on.
I have a couple thoughts about that. So I love
this like zone where people I speak with say like, oh,
what's you know? What are the narratives going on? What's
you know? What were your reactions? And then looking ahead
to the following week and having this Monday Tuesday show
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to do. So I don't know where I want to start.
But this is all a roundabout way of me saying
I'm good. Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Well, it is a pleasure to have you back as well.
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Speaker 2 (02:15):
What about Govember Colin, it's Diego Pavia's time. No, that's
better than Diego's empic. I have to say Govember Colan,
it's Diego's time.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I don't hate that. I didn't like the o zempic one.
I just didn't think that was it was too much.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It was a little too much Diego z empic Colin
taking shots to help them lose something like that. It was,
it was, It was a lot. It was fraught with
too many words and letters. Are we starting with lingering thoughts?
Where are we going?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Well, we can't start with lingering thoughts.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
So over the course of the next like hour or so,
we have some questions for one another about football, maybe
not about maybe about life, I don't know, but about football, sure,
or at least going to start there about those. We're
also going to go into two of our early bird previews,
as we do it every Tuesday, We're going to do
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some under the radar games. A little bit early this
week because I wanted to make sure that people had
them on their radars. I find them incredibly interesting. I
want to talk through a few of those before we
high tail it out of here, and of course we'll
give you a brief rundown of some of the other
interesting games, many of which we will preview on the
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Thursday episode. But yes, before we do that, and before
we reveal the latest Reballer Top twelve poll. Lingering thoughts,
dam lingering thoughts from the week that was in Week eleven.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It was a harrowing experience because I had the Nebraska
UCLA game on mute sort of as we were going
in to record the Week eleven recap episode, watched it
full volume, only to be met by Tim Brando immediately
was like a like a Street Fighter two character in
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slow motion being uppercut, falling his or her way to
the turf.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So that wasn't great. So okay.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
My thought on that game specifically was really good job
by Nebraska because that was a trappy spot after having
a big game, losing your quarterback, having UCLA and UCLA
team that has taken down teams in vulnerable positions, Nebraska
was able to efficiently score in that first half on
some big plays. TJ Latif had I think a very
smart game plan, knowing that he was not going to
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be able to go through a ton of progressions at
such a young age on the road in a tough
spot and a lot of crossers and one read looks,
and I just thought it was very smart. And I
thought Ima Johnson was very good as well. Ucla fought,
they made nice adjustments in the second half, but it
wasn't meant to be, and that there was a good,
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like mature win for Nebraska.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
They protected as we say here.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, I wasn't pretty the second half offense, there wasn't
much there, but I thought that's a good workmanlike win
for the Huskers. So that was cool to see, especially
with the down news obviously of Dylan Rayola and his injury.
I want to correct myself. Unless you have any other lingering, Nemero,
go ahead, please please continue. On a couple of items.
(05:21):
I think I undershot bear Bachmeier's weight by according to
BYU fans, eighty to ninety pounds.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Listen, I didn't want to be the bearer of bad
news for you on Saturday night, and I hear you
what people don't realize, or maybe they do.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
When you and I are doing.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
These streams and it's like one am Eastern time, we've
been watching games all day, all day. Boohoo, poor us.
I know, yeah, But when you've got when you've got
the camera and the microphone rolling and you're doing something live,
all too often we have brain farts where our mouths
get out a little bit ahead of our brains. It's
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it's not uncommon. It's gonna happen seven times to me
before this episode is through. I guarantee it.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
I fully disagree with you on this. I stand by
that bear Bachmeyer is five eleven, one eighty five. I
refuse to believe his listed weight and listed height.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
I full people.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Every other YouTube comment or about that game was like, hey,
I know you said like once bear Bachmeyer fills out,
he will be like more of a weapon. But my guy,
he's two thirty five, and then like the next person
he's two fifty. He's a legit. Somebody said he's a
legit pushing two sixty, And I was like, am I
just being messed with?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Are people just coming at me knowing that I am
a frail mind? I understand that he has to be
at least two hundred and twenty five pounds at this point. Okay,
But when I watch him underneath the pads, because he
also looks like the fifth most famous person that was
in camp nowhere, I refuse to believe that he is
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any older than fifteen, that he is any taller than
five to eleven and a half and weighs any more
than one hundred and sixty three pounds. And I also
the rational part of my brain understands that he's likely
six one two thirty five, right, But I see him
against the monsters on the Texas Tech defensive line or
the Utah defensive line, the latter of which he beat,
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and I think to myself, he is an up and
coming high school sophomore, okay, And I'm sorry. I can't
get away from it, and I apologize. The rational part
of my brain says, yes, of course you were wrong.
You screwed that one up. But also did it?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Did it? Did my brain screw that? I didn't want
to be a jerk on Saturday.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
No, you handled yourself well, And I think I pushed
back gently because I didn't have the exact height and
weight in front of me. I knew, just from you know,
looking at enough bear Bachmeyer stats and watching enough of
his play this year that you were a bit off.
But I was not even confident enough in my own
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retelling of bear Bachmeyer's stats to push back too art
ecause I didn't know for sure, but I.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Knew I knew he was over two hundred and at
least listed as such. So okay, thank you for.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Literally the BYU fans were like acting as if he
were the Pillsbury throwboy, acting as if he who was it,
Jeremy Gibbs, who was the old miss guy who would
come in in specialty situations, the large high school quarterback
who was also like a defensive tackle. I forget his name,
So okay, hand up my fault on that one.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Also more straightforward apology wise, and it's just this is
both of us in talking about mad Zolers and what
even corrected me on this. I just saw it after
the fact that the reference he's the third string Missoo quarterback.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Well, he was a third string Missoo quarterback.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
What I'm saying is like on that roster fall camp wise, obviously,
until Sam Horn got hurt, I just thought I could
have extended more grace. We could have extended more grace, like,
this is the third best quarterback on this roster, all
things being equal, and he wasn't able to get it done,
certainly against an M. I and I don't think bou
Bribuela would have been able to. I don't think sam
Horn would have been able to. But I thought we
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should have provided more context to that one as well.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Listen, I think that's totally fair. I also think that,
and you're right. I mean, look, your first game as
a starter against Texas A and M is not, yeah,
exactly the easiest ask, right, So, but that being said,
I thought, at least in limited action in spots, he's
proven that he's capable. It's just going to take some
seasoning to get there. He was still a four star,
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but he's just a true freshman, so it's going to
take a minute. Again, you're going up against the best
of the best in the SEC. So yeah, extending some
grace to him originally started out the year as a
third string quarterback.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
By the way, this was sort.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Of the main point of pessimism when it came to Missoo.
After sam Horn got hurt. It immediately shifted to a
question of quarterback depth because of how Bo Brabulah at
least tended to play up at Penn State.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Likes to use his legs, definitely more of a dual threat.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Guy.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Put him on the run, that type of stuff. If
Bo goes down, what happens then behind him?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
We see what happens now, Like the nod doesn't mean
they won't be good moving forward, but just wasn't ready
for this moment as you might expect.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I sort of opened the show talking about Delaware in
a sort of joking way, but kind of not joking.
I don't know if you saw the end of that game.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
At the end of the game, yeah, so.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's two touchdowns and under a minute for Delaware. I
think it's a They punch it in and then they
get a pick six, immediately give up a touchdown and
then execute maybe the on side kick of the year,
like perfect bounce up and I think that sets up
a game winning field goal. Delaware in their first I
believe this is their first FBS season, was right there
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with I want to say Western Kentucky was. They were
competitive with Jacksonville State, really impressive, like under the radar,
I know that's the second we're going to sort of
look at in a little bit, but under the radar
season so far for Delaware because that transition can be
very tough. Obviously they've had a good amount of success
as an FCS program, but a really cool under the
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radar season long thing going on for the Blue Hens. Yeah,
go Blue Hens.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
My first visit, my first visit as a or a
high school senior when I was looking at colleges was
University of Delaware.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yes, So I just wanted to highlight that because it's
it's been a cool story.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
All right, Well, listen, if you've got anything out there
that you'd like to add, you can always email cliverblegmail
dot com or reach out on social media. Edit. I
just kept thinking about if you're a Nebraska fan and
you just had Dylan Royola go down, you had to
deal with weeks on end of Matt Ruhle rumors. Obviously,
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you you lose a big game in a big spot,
like you've had so many little daggers that you've had
to contend with. Is it not insult to injury to
turn it on late and then realize on man, we
got a brando game. Oh, the universe is turning against
Nebraska people.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yes, I don't know if I could have handled Gary
Danielson and Tim Brando back to back. I don't know
if like the Danielson Brando syndrome would have been curable
in that moment.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
mAbs, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The other thing, by the way, I should mention one
of those stranger seasons that we should spend just like
thirty seconds to ninety seconds on right now, Kentucky football.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Oh my god, Well, we joked about zombie Kentucky on
the last episode.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So Kentucky nearly beats a top ten team in Texas,
destroys a Florida team to the point where and look,
it's a lame duck Florida program with Billy and Napier
being fired but having their like superstar potential quarterback bench
after was it three first half interceptions only to replace
him with a true freshman. Getting Hugh Freeze fired two
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weeks ago in scoring one touchdown against Auburns, like, oh,
that's plenty, that's plenty to get Hugh Freeze fired. Actually
scoring a bunch against Tennessee, but they gave up way
too many points in that game. Kind of finding an
exciting quarterback all things considered with Kentucky's quarterback history of
the past ten fifteen years and a young quarterback and
cutter Bowlie forget all the noise around Florida, and it's
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always good if you're a Kentucky fan to beat Florida.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
They smashed them thirty eight to seven.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And this was also a program that like was in
position to beat maybe or not, I don't know beat,
but like competed with ole Miss early on, had a
down couple weeks mid season, but after the bye have
been like a totally new team. And this is all
within the context of also paying a quarterback and Zach Calzada,
who has made TikTok videos taunting people with one hundred
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dollars bills and benching that dude moving on and becoming better.
Like it's a it's kind of a narrative out of nowhere,
and so I just wanted to, like flowers whatever for Kentucky,
I think are in order.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Here's the other aspect of the Kentucky season that you know,
as he said, maybe flying a bit under the radar,
and it's been kind of weird and gone on. I
just watched that game more closely this morning, and I
felt some things. They've got Tennessee Tech this week, who
they should beat handily, but their final two games, both
of which are on the road at Vandy at Louisville.
(14:25):
In both instances they are projected to be the underdog,
but they have been playing better, as you said, since
the bye week, and I think on both fronts, if
you knock off Vandy, that's got SEC implications, maybe playoff implications,
depending on how this week goes for Vandy. They've got
Louisville to close out the season Louisville right now seven
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and two. Louisville, who knows.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
What the season brings the rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
You know, it would take I think an act of
God to put them in the ACC title game at
this point. For a lot to go wrong. I'm not
even sure it's mathematically possible. But those are two games
that to me feel winnable, even though they're probably gonna
be projected underdogs. Both are on the road, but given
the fact they're playing better, two games that have like
ripple effects if they were to pull an upset.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
The other thing.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
By the way, and again we spend a little bit
of time on this the insanity that is Duke football
showing nothing in the non conference portion of their schedule,
losing to Yukon, Tulane, and Illinois, each of which in
like pseudo embarrassing fashion, all things considered context of their opponents,
and in the absolute driver's seat to go to the
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a SEC championship game.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
I believe able.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's just we should honor that they've They've had kind
of a horrendous defense this year, kind of horrendous turnover
situations in some of those non conference games. And Darien
Mensa against ACC teams is one of the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
In the country.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, I checked earlier today for whatever you make of
PFF grades. I know it's yeah, kind of a controversial thing,
but behind Julian saying Mensa is number two nationally.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
And here's a PFF per PFF in her past grade.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Yeah, based on like you know, some version of how
many dropbacks you have. I sort of filtered it down
so you don't have the backups in there. But yeah, he's.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Having a good year. He's having a good year. He's
a playmaker.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I guess they're getting their money's worth, and certainly if
they go on to win the ACC and go to
the playoff, it will all have been worth it. But
it's definitely been a bit of a lumpy season for
the Duke Blue Devils. I'm giggling, by the way, like
a like a schoolboy over here at these things that
you're bringing up.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
How can you not love college football? I do not
love this. This is all just pure insanity.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
This is why we do this is why we're still
doing this show because of this, Because of stuff like this.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Duke has arguably one of the worst pass defenses of
any Power for conference team, and yet could get I think,
I don't know what like the likeliest I don't know
the projections or anything like that, but are in at
least a decent enough position to get a rematch with
Georgia Tech as a current if I'm rating this correctly,
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four lost team to go to the college football Playoff
and potentially have a I don't know, a Power four
conference team not get a bye. They've got a big
game this week.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Which we're not going to preview on this episode, but
we will on Thursday against Virginia who lost their quarterback
last week. Who lost its quarterback last week.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
That game is at home. They've also got their rivalry
game against North Carolina.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
YEP, who did beat Stanford in Week.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Thirteen, and then they close out the year at home
against a very pesky wake Forest.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
If they were to go.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Through and win all three of those games, based on
tiebreaker scenarios, I believe they would have a leg up
on SMU and they would end up playing Georgia Tech
in the ACC title game. As you said, obviously, if
they lose this week, things change. Clearly, there are other
scenarios around college football, around the ACC that could alter
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what this landscape looks like a little bit. But if
you are a Duke fan, if you are looking at
your remaining schedule this week, next week, the week after,
those look like to me three winnable games, and if
you can get the job done, there's a pretty good
shot you're playing for that ACC title.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And taking out a ten and two playoff deserving team
in the process, an at large ten and two team.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I think that's how the maps, that's how this would work.
And right now, by the way, regardless of who wins.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
The agly an ACC team right that's going to eliminate
in a there's a good chance it's eliminating an at
large berth for a NACC team, there's I would say.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
A very likely chance that, like last year when we
saw it with Clemson, the ACC victor is going to
end up knocking out one of those top twelve teams
in the final CF people.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I mean they still the ACC last year, obviously
still got two teams in with SMU, But yes, that
does throw that wrinkle. Clemson was outside of the top
twelve the ACC.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
So and by the way, it's probably going to be
two teams that get the boot because remember Boise State
was rank pretty high last year.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
That's true, Boise State was the.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Three seed they got a first round by But as
it stands right now, whoever emerges on the G six level,
you know, maybe you're a USF guy, maybe you're a
North Texas guy. Maybe you got somebody else, maybe you're
a James Madison guy. I don't know, whatever flavor of
G six you're into, that team I would say, almost
definitively at this point is going to knock somebody else out.
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So if you are looking at these rankings when they
come out every Tuesday night, I would definitely start thinking
of it in terms of if my team is up there.
If my team is ranked in the top ten, that's good.
If I'm number eleven. If I'm number twelve, that is
not good at all. Change if I'm number eleven, If
I'm number twelve, I need teams in front of me
to lose, or I need to find a way to
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win my conference. Otherwise, you're sort of on a knife's edge,
and I think there's a pretty strong possibility, possibility, possibility, probability, whatever,
that you're gonna get knocked out by one of these
lower rank conference champions.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
By the way, the possibility is uh prause. Of course,
from the Fuji's doing his own projections on the college
football playoff, here's my other This is an easy transition
for you. I don't remember the exact year it was,
but wasn't There was a post season conversation where Pitt
was squarely the affecting team, like Pitt had played like
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four or five different teams, and how they fared against
Pitt was an actual thing that people were using for
or against a cause. I don't know if it was
the year that Pitt beat you know, I remember it
just like the Jason Kirk put Pitt in I was
twenty fifteen or sixteen when James Connor ran all over Clemson,
whatever it was that Pitt was affecting the race. Pitt
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has an opportunity this season and this is easy transition
to rankings or preview talk whatever. There's like this weird
ongoing Miami I mean Notre Dame conversation where Miami fans
are like, I'm sorry, we have the same number of
losses and we beat this team, why are we ranked
behind them? And obviously who Miami has lost too has
affected their ranking. But Pitt now has the opportunity finishing
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their season against both of these teams to be a
measuring stick in a potential at large conversation that involves
both Miami and Notre Dame. And I'm happy for the
retro vibes of Pitt affecting this playoff playoff race in
a very serious way.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
The other thing that I should add while we're talking
through ACC possibilities, Okay, and this is why I don't
want to commit to anything in the ACC because it's
not ironclad, by the way that if Duke wins out,
they're gonna find their way into this title thing. It's
there's a lot that could still happen, okay, and Pitt
is one of those. So Pitt has Georgia Tech next week.
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Pitt has Miami to close out its season. The Georgia
Tech game is on the road, the Miami game is
at home. If Pitt were to knock off both of
those teams, Pitt would find its way into the ACC
title game.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh yeah, the pro is a really nice play.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
The preseason prophecy from yours truly would come true and
Pitt would find its way into that game, though not
against Clemson as I thought initially. There's still a lot
that could go on in the ACC. I don't mean
to give the impression that it's ironclad Duke winning out
They're going to be in this thing, but I would
say right now Pitt is likely the underdog in those games,
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both against Georgia Tech and Miami, which is why I'm
not quite taking.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
That to the bank.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
But just bear in mind, there's a lot that could
still go on here that could put a bunch of
teams into that ACC title game.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Good for us with our like preseason ACC crushes mine
with Duke and yours with Pitt. Thus far, we couldn't
anticipate exactly that this was going to be a Mason.
Heinschel Year and Duke loses an embarrassing fashion to Tulane
and Illinois and Yukon, but is still very much alive
in the couple weeks before Thanksgiving. Quick fact check here,
because when I make a pop culture reference without knowing
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anything about out this person in pop culture, obviously.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I'm a big fujis person. Obviously.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Praz was recently found guilty of ten criminal counts in
the US District Court for the District of Columbia. He's
facing up to twenty years in prison, but is currently
free on bond pending appeals. And this is all involving
the one Malaysia Development burhads scandal in trying to back
channel extradition of Chinese nationals.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Okay, so I do.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
See the full picture of Praz via a very cursory
search on Wikipedia. I just want people to know that
I'm not blindly going into it. Now, Okay, that's all.
Where are were going from here?
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Well, we're now extortion adjacent or whatever on this show,
Welcome back one and all.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Let's reveal the.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Response is let's reveal the results. That's the word I'm
looking for of the Verballer top twelve. It doesn't look
all that different from the latest AP and coaches polls
that are out there. We're recording this midday Monday, before
the CFP rankings. This is part of why we're not
going to talk through, at least to the same extent,
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the polls the way we would normally. We'll save a
little bit of that for the Thursday episode when we
have brackets to respond to and we have actual committee
result committee rankings and results to respond to.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But here's what it looks like in our world.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Ohio State, Indiana still won two, Texas A and M,
and Alabama is still three to four. We've got Georgia
at five, we got Texas Tech moving up to number six.
We've got Ole Miss at seven, Oregon at eight, Notre
Dame at nine, and then to round out the top twelve,
we've got Texas, Georgia Tech, and Oklahoma BYU fell pretty far.
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They're down at thirteen, Vanderbilt knocking on the door at fourteen,
and then we've got Utah at fifteen, and USC at
number sixteen. In case you're interested in the first four out, Dan, yes,
we don't need to respond. I think for like fifteen
minutes about this. But I think we should give at
least some initial reaction to what the verballer hood is
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telling us.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Here.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
What I am getting from this, people felt pretty good
about what they saw from Texas Tech.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, all they have to see, think so, I think
deservedly so.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, they beat a three hundred and fifty five pound
quarterback into submission.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, he's getting bigger by the second, like Tommy Castellanos
did last year.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, yeah, crazy, Yeah, he's like a kid from Willy
Wonka getting blown up.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Violet bouregard. Is that who got big? I don't know. Okay,
come on time, I don't know. Isn't she turning violet
and huge? Yeah? Continue?
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Notre Dame all the way up to nine now in
this poll, just a slow and steady creep. I know
you've got a question about schedules. Well, I don't want
to give away the game too much.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
We'll talk. No, that's fine in a little bit. But
Notre Dame up at nine.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Texas now creeping into the top ten in advance of
their big game this week, which we will talk about
momentarily with Georgio mentioned earlier that there's a pretty strong
likelihood that the ACC champion will not be ranked in
the top twelve, not according to the ball or top
twelve pole though, because right now Georgia Tech is at eleven,
Oklahoma at twelve is a choice. One thing that I
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saw echoed throughout the college football ether, especially if you
are as online as you and I are, seems like
it's hard to rank the top twelve. Seems like it's
hard once you get outside that top like eight, it
gets real difficult. And I think it was maybe Stu
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Mandel maybe, so I don't know who it was, but
somebody was online talking about how, you know, amid this
world that we live in now, where there's this constant
threat of the Big ten or the SEC or whoever
trying to expand the playoff up to twenty teams, it
would be a real question of who you would even rank,
who'd even want to put in a twenty team field.
Given where we're at this year, it feels like we've
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got a very clear stratification and like top A, and
then beyond that, it's sort of anyone's guess as to
who you're putting where agree?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Can I can I ask you a question about numbers two?
And three. Yeah, so you're talking about Indiana and Texas
A and M.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Is there not a like kind of a not easy case,
but a clean case to put Texas A and M
over Indiana after this past weekend. If we believe in
limber poles, so A and M has a stronger they
schedule stronger than non conference Indiana has. Nobody there. I
A and M has been taking care of business in
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a way similar. All they do is get coaches fired
or play teams with fired coaches. I guess sure Texas
A and M they played Miszoo without their starting quarterback
or as we talked about, without their two top quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
But everybody's played Miszoo without Sam Horn this year.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And Indiana needs every second and every inch of regulation
to beat a big ten winless Penn State. Now there's
context why Penn State is when lists who also is
playing without their quarterback. But you kind of are what
your record is at a certain point in Penn State.
It's a team that couldn't quite get over Northwestern and UCLA.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Right, So.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
I wouldn't hate having and rewarding the scheduling of Notre
Dame and beating Notre Dame on the road, and now
Indiana has arguably a better win beating Oregon on the road.
Of course, nobody's arguing against Indiana's excellence, but if we
are advocates for a limberpole here, I wouldn't hate A
and M.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
A two, would you? I put A and M at
two in my ballot? Okay, I did have A and
M at two, and I struggled with that.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
In part because I was doing it at three thirty
am Eastern time after we did our show, certainly, but
I wanted to try and vote while the reactions were
still fresh.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I just feel like A and M.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
What they have done in the sec these last couple
of weeks has been damn impressive. I mean they have
gone on the road, they mopped up on LSU. LSU
might not be what we thought preseason. That's a tough
place to go and win at night Tiger Stadium. They
got Brian Kelly fired right Missoo. Yes, it was with
the backup quarterback, but Miszoo is still a pretty good
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team with a good defense. They put up thirty eight.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
They can run and defend, yeah, effortlessly against the Missoo Tigers.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Even that win back in Week three against Notre Dame,
and they'll say what you want about Week three Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
But Texas.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
A and M needed to win that one and a shootout,
and they did. They put up forty one points, they
win by one. That's a good win. That's looking like
a top ten win. Now we will see what A
and M has the rest of the way. They've got
a big one lingering week fourteen against Texas. But I
think Bio Largest is a team to me that feels
like they've gotten better. And this is not to say
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that Indiana hasn't because the win that they got on
the road this week against Penn State. Look, we can
say whatever we want about Penn State. They now lost
six straight. Clearly they're in a different spot than we
thought prec as well.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Arguably the best winless Power Conference team. But Dan, Yeah, to.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Come from behind in the manna that they did a
minute in fifteen seconds driving the field eighty yards, that
incredible touchdown. You know, some of it in sports is
always luck, but that wasn't luck like that.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
But they needed it that they needed it against a
big ten winless team.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
That was a little bit of luck but a lot
of skill to win in the Manna that they did
still setting, so I don't want to take anything away
from Indiana and certainly go into Oregon and get Getting
that win on the road is impressive. But I think
if you put me in a situation where I had
to pick one over the other, I would favor And
this is how.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
I typically do the polls. So I'll just go do
I think A bat C?
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Do I think CEA beats D that type of thing.
I right now would favor Texas A and M or
Indiana on a neutral field if it were me.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would, I'd
have to think about it and dive in. I just
haven't given it as much thought. But I'm just Also,
Texas A and M hasn't played at Kyle Field in
a month. I don't know if that you noticed that
as some weird scheduling quirk in this moment. They had
a bye week in there, so they were able to
sort of recuperate and practice and everything. But that's that's
damn impressive too, playing three straight weeks. I mean, it's
Arkansas lame doc LSU caused a lame duck situation and
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Missou without their starting quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I just right now, if you're just gonna say who's
number two, who's number three, not necessarily, who's like definitively better,
and who you'd wager a thousand dollars on, there's a
clean case for A and M at that number two.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean, let's put this way.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
If it were Texas A and M against Indiana and
you told me I had to wager one thousand dollars
on one team or another, I would opt not to
wager a thousand dollars because.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
What an unbelievable coaching matchup too, though, Oh yeah, you Knowlko.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, I mean, I just I have a.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Lot of respect for what both these teams have done
so far this season, and so I'm just this is
not me saying it's a clear cut choice.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
It was more spur the moment.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I was really impressed by what I saw from both
teams this past week. I might give it to A
and M by a nose, but I reserve the right
to change my opinion because these are two really good teams. Really,
the top four are loaded, and I've got a question
for you about that. Yeah, in about ten minutes, okay, okay,
maybe five minutes, two minutes. Yeah, if you're ready to
move on from this, we can start it right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
I mean, is there anything a pe pole that you
wanted to discuss? We discussed for baller pole. The only
thing I had with the a peopole, which I don't
know if it's reflective in the verballer pole as well.
Just in terms of change from last week to this week,
I'm an unbiased narrator here. Oregon went and beat a
top five defense on the road in a monsoon and
fell a spot. And ole Miss beat not a citadel,
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the city citadel, Yeah, at home, and they flipped rankings.
Oregon dropped a spot after beating a top twenty in
the playoff pole team in Iowa, and Ole Miss went
up a spot. And I know this is the ape
pole and not the playoff pole. The playoff pole comes
out Tuesday night, Wednesday Nighty.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
That was a little weird, that's a little flimsy. No, Well,
we saw the same thing go down in the for
baller pool because last week they were flipped. Last week,
Oregon was a spot above Old Miss, and this week
Old Miss, yeah is a spot above Oregon.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean I understand, like Okay, if Oregon's a
top ten team, they should beat Iowa by more than
two points. That's fine, that's a reasonable Like they had
opportunities to make it a more comfortable win and weren't
able to capital I.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Mean, Indiana was close. Indiana could have lost to Iowa.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Indiana could have lost. I was a tough team. They're
not a complete team, certainly, but they're a tough team,
especially at home in inclement weather. But looking at ole
Miss taking care of business against the Citadel, I'm thinking,
all right.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
We've seen enough.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
All of our questions about ole Miss against the Citadel
have been very cleanly answered. Gotta put them above. I
don't know, again, I'm an unbiased narrator.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Well, for what it's.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Worth, if you look at the pole points in THEAP
top twenty five.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, it's a hair.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It was twelve forty eight for old Miss at six
and twelve forty five for Oregon. So it was quite
literally one person who opted to put ole Miss ahead
of Oregon. And yeah, I don't know, somebody else can
figure that out.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, but that's where we stand.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
Okay, Okay, So look kind of on the heels of
all that, Congratulations skippy, you've got mail.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You've got mail on the solid ruble.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
So I'm lying a bit when I play that sound,
But that's typically what we use for the Q and
A segments that we do here on the show. We
did not plan accordingly full disclosure to get questions from
the verballerhood. We will do that at some point very soon.
We owe the people a nice Q and A episode, okay,
But instead what we have in the Q and A
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realm is questions for one another. Three questions from me
to you, three questions from you to me. We are
trying to real scrape the bottom of the barrel here.
We are trying to get all of the crevasses here
in this twenty twenty five college football season that maybe
we don't otherwise cover. And yeah, as you know, when
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we're writing questions, sometimes these tend to tickle the realm
of the hypothetical. Okay, agree, I teased this a moment ago,
But here's my first question for you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
The stipulation is this. You cannot pick Ohio State or Indiana.
You cannot pick Texas A and M or Alabama. You have,
at last count one hundred and thirty two remaining teams
that you should consider your championship pool. Right, of those
remaining teams, who would you pick to emerge and be
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the national champion? Who is the best of the rest.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
The best of the non Ohio State, Indiana, nor A
and M or Alabama? Correct, I think it's the team
ranked right at number five. I think it's probably Georgia.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You're going Georgia. I think that the defense.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Okay, so if you do defense, quarterback Gunderstockton has grown,
I think exponentially throughout this season. I'm still I'm still
like crazy in love with their receiving corps in terms
of like, is there a winter wonder who could get
over the top on Ohio State or Indiana or you
know they obviously they've played Alabama and it didn't go
super well. But of those teams, and then if you
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lump in coach as well, right, I think it's Georgia.
There is something about how much they've been tested, not
just this season, but over the course of these past
three or four seasons. There's a lot to like about
where Oregon is defensively right now. They're playing really well
in that secondary. I think they have winter runners there.
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Other than a couple lapses against Iowa. But I think
the front is very good. I think the best of
Dante More and these running backs, they're excellent. We'll see
how healthy they get at receiver. I think they're like
one A with Georgia and I I'm not there with
Texas Tech because of Baron Morton just in terms of
like that level, that that peak of a mountain. I'm
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not there with Texas Tech. I'm not there with Notre
Dame just because I haven't seen anything since those first
couple weeks of the season in terms of being tested
against either top flight defense or I guess USC is
a is A and can be a top flight offense.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It was a beat up USC team that week.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
And I don't think they're like I think ole Miss
is really good, but I'm not there with ole Miss
for whatever reason. I just have a block with ole
Miss at this point. So I'd say Georgia and then
Oregon without really a wild card in there, because I
don't have that like combination quarterback and defense. Like there
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is something folk hero ish about guys like Diego Pavia
and Haines King, but I don't think either one of
those guys has the defense to back them up. I
don't trust Art Manning. I think Texas has a championship defense.
I don't trust Arch Manning in this offensive line to
include them in this conversation. So I guess I'm going
Georgia one A Oregon.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
I think what makes this season really interesting, especially now
as we kind of wind it down and get into
the playoff chase and all that stuff. Yeah, you know,
like before we had the twelve team, or we had
a four teamer, and you can make a pretty strong
case that this would be a really good year for
a four team, or maybe just as you could make
the case last year.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I don't know, But.
Speaker 3 (38:31):
Now that we do have twelve, I'm very curious to
see which of those teams outside of the top four,
either throughout the month of November or through the first
round or two of the playoff emerge as the quote
unquote wildcard, because it feels to me that, like, regardless
of whatever these teams are seeded, when they get into
the final twelve team field, there is going to be
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ample opportunity for one of these teams to emerge in
a really significant way and take on that role as wildcard.
And I don't know who it's going to be right now,
Like we could talk about Georgia. I don't know if
Georgia in any context right now in the year of
Our Lord twenty twenty five could be considered a wild card,
right maybe in terms of this question, but George is
kind of a no quantity under Kirby Smart, you know,
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but certainly Old Miss getting into a playoff would be
a new thing Oregon if they were to go on
any kind of run with this team with you know,
not Dylan Gabriel, you know, with a greener quarterback.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Bill Gabriel's really good.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
But like, one of the things that I think we
should mention is when you say wild card, it's not
just a wild card like they're getting hot at the
right time. It could be a wild card like what
Penn State got in terms of playoff seating last season,
right that Oregon could get all due respect Oregon or
George or whoever could get USF and Georgia Tech in
the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
You could absolutely go on a bit of a run
based on your path, as Penn State did right a
year ago.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
Now, so then you avoid Bama, or you avoid Indie,
or you avoid Texas A and M because they lost
to somebody in a previous round.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
I think that Penn State scenario was far less likely
this year, just because we're not going to have a
Boise Party crasher situation, right. But even still, well, there
is going to be a G six team. There will
be a G S.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
There's this in the first round at home.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah, they're gonna be the number twelve seed in all probability,
and in this case it would be against Georgia. But
this is all just to say that somebody will emerge
and I don't know who, but I'm excited to see
who that might be. It could even be the G
six team.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Who knows. Maybe you're a Byron Brown fan like me.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
You know you could get You could get USF and
their secondary that you get to throw on and you
have to tackle Byron Brown, which is like one of
the seven most difficult things you could ask a team
to do this season.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And you could, Yeah, you could get an ACC team.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
You could get an at large team that just sort
of happened to be there and got in. But yeah,
I would take what's going on and how Georgia seems
to be improving and taking care of business. And look,
they're a winning as a skilled team too when you
look at some of their performances against Florida or against
Auburn where it wasn't pretty for stretches, but they were
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able to, you know, make fewer mistakes down the stretch
and come out with a w. I yeah, I would
just have I think, more confidence in a team like
that than like, I think Notre Dame has a really
interesting ceiling because there is an argument to be made
that their defense, I mean, it's not an argument their
defense has gotten better of the course of this season,
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but other than the USC offense, who have they proven
that against.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's totally fair, totally fair. And yeah, CJ.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Carr has answered a ton of questions as the season
has gone on that he looks like he's one of
the best dozen or so quarterbacks in the country. So
I'm I'm great with Notre Dame as an answer. I
just have less to go on in terms of what
we have in the bank.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Next question, Dan, pretend for a moment that you are
James Franklin. Okay, right now, your options are Virginia Tech,
maybe Arkansas, maybe UCLA, could be others that emerge who knows,
m H. Which school are you choosing and why?
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Oh, I would choose Virginia Tech of those three. Of
those three, I'd choose Virginia Tech. Are you saying any
open job?
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I'm saying of those three in particular, But if you
want to extend it out to all the jobs, yeah,
where does Virginia What I'm getting at here is where
does Virginia Tech rank on the totem pool?
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I think they're a top that three team er.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
UCLA doesn't fully know what stadium they're going to be
playing in for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
Did I see that they might pay like eighty million
dollars to break the Rose Bull?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
Lease?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
They're just they're over the Rose Bowl, and I can't
blame them. It's far enough away, you know. It's the
Rose Bowl is a great venue for a huge game.
UCLA just happens to not play in huge games basically ever,
so it's sort of lost on ruin football at the moment.
They don't have a coach, obviously, there's just a lot
of uncertainty. James Franklin would be that coach in this scenario,
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but I don't know that they're pouring the resources into
nil and portal stuff in a way that they would
need to win the Big Ten to make serious noise,
and Arkansas just seems like the path is too difficult.
That you can figure out how to get that one
special season at Arkansas, but in terms of building something
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where you can consistently hope to win ten nine and
a half games ten games, I think the ACC path
is better. I think the experience James Franklin has in
recruiting there, I think the investment in Blacksburg is significant enough,
and I think what's ahead of you in the ACC
at the moment is not insurmountable. So I think the
answer is Virginia Tech. And if you win eight nine
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games a season at Virginia Tech, you got a job
for as long as you want.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Now, the wrinkle that I would add to this like
I'm not privy to anything. I saw our friend Josh
Pate was talking through a little bit of a rumor
about Lincoln Riley's had keep your eye on Lincoln Rally.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Now, I don't know what I saw that have heard
like very unsubstantiated murmurs about Lincoln Riley's past and future.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
There's been some stuff out there, for sure, James Franklin
would hop on one leg out to LA to take
that job. Okay, if they were interested in him. I
know he was interested in them at least twice before
to see what he could do if he could get
out there.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It didn't work out previously.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
If that is something that ends up coming to fruition
and again we know nothing, I would keep my own
James franklud for that, trying to get his name in
the running there.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
James Franklin would work a weekly shift at Chaano's, like
the taco shack right by USC. I think it's still
open to get that job. He would he would walk
to LA to take that job. Yeah, the only way
I think if Lincoln Riley just I don't think it's
a USC thing Lincoln Riley in his future from what
I know. If he's happy in La, if his family's
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happy in LA, if he gets along with the administration
at USC, he's got a very strong, too excellent recruiting
class coming in, it would I think it would be
an unhappiness question with Lincoln Riley and slash his family
in that situation more than a like seeing grasp being
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greener elsewhere in terms of a path to a playoff.
Speaker 1 (45:28):
Find a question.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
Okay, Dan Rubiste, what is the solution for what feels
like the worst run of officiating that we have seen
in maybe the entire span of time we've been doing
the show since two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Right, it feels like it is.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
Horrible this season to an extent that I I've never
really been wanting to complain about the officials, and everybody
tends to get the short end of the stick. If
you play a full twelve game slate, right, you are
You're a big problem. You're note name one was was
it an NC State call that you were like? What
is even happening? I mean, don't even listen to me.
Listen to Terry McCauley. He went off on his Twitter
account about it, and he loves classic seventies rock and
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hates the bike short and hates the bike short thing
that we got going on.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
That's a separate conversation altogether.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
But officiating has been real bad, feels like it's getting worse,
and so I'm just asking you as a former official,
of course, yeah, of course, what is there a solve
for this? Is there any way to make this better?
Or are we just sort of trapped in refereepurgatory.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
And by the way, the sidebar, Harry, you were you
not an umpire? Did I make that up? I was
an umpire back in the day.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, not on you understand the baseball field, but just
do you understand that.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
Community in a way that not many do? Right as
a twelve year old? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (46:49):
No, definitely umpiring for twelve year olds. I did have
a situation.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Okay, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
Where I called somebody out at home plate and I
was definitely taking like proverbial arrows from a coach that
I knew whose team had lost on the call, and
it was widely seen as the wrong call.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Okay, and I stand by it. I don't stand by
it at all.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
I think I may have admitted in the moment, hey,
I made a mistake, like right after it happened, which
was definitely not what it took to make the coach
feel better about things, right, But I found that I
was far too indecisive to be a good umpire.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
You were Eastern PA's God. Who is the World Series?
I'm who gave the terrible levant? Was it Levon Hernandez
who got like crazy on hell on hell Hernandez?
Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah? I mean Levon Hernandez was a pitcher.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
No, I know that he was, but he was in
that World Series. Didn't he get crazy strikes called? I
don't remember, like way out of the zone.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Well, I remember the Eric Greg game if that's what
you're talking about, Oh, Eric Greg, excuse me? Yeah, I
mean those pitches were like four feet outside and he
was calling right just to get through the game.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
So yeah, we have some Eric Greg situations in the
college football landscape in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
I do, okay? Is it a fixable thing? One?
Speaker 2 (48:10):
We got to get our guy, Jean's sterritor on the show.
Did they ever get back to you? Did CBS ever
get back to you back? When I say our guy,
I don't know Gene at all, but we just love Gene.
Is it a fixable thing? Is is it something you
can wade through to a mend? The only thing I
would say is it's a difficult job. It's bang bang.
I would say. The older you get, potentially, the more
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difficult it is. You'd like to have sharp eyes, but
you'd also like to have experience. Dies you got to
find the happy medium there. I think the big thing
is in these games and It applies to every sport, right,
it applies to referees running up and down a basketball
court or calling a baseball game. You just you got
to have like an even showing, like if you're gonna
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say we're gonna let corners get away with a lot,
let it go both ways, like this is the tenor
of this game, We're going to let the corners play.
Or if you're going to say, like we're gonna be
like we're going to be very lax with holds, great,
be lax with holds both ways. I think that needs
to be stressed. I think there has to be an agreement,
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a tacit agreement and unspoked whatever between a crew that says, Okay,
this is the tenor of this game. Here's how we're
going to let them play.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Go.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
My problem is when you're inconsistent quarter to quarter, drive
to drive, and you're calling pitches on the corner, then
you're not calling pitches on the corner, right that There
is something about a refereeing crew that is all over
the place in terms of how they're calling a game
that is infuriating. So I think everybody needs to get
on the same page in terms of like what the
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rhythm of this game should be. From a refereeing perspective,
I kind of think that part of the solve is
to simplify the rule book. You know, okay, I just
just did our lifetime. I'll use as an example what
constitutes a catch or what is a fumble in twenty
twenty five?
Speaker 1 (50:09):
You know, did the ground cause the fumble?
Speaker 3 (50:11):
I have this conversation with Uncle Joe all the time,
who calls me up and complains to no end about
back in the day, if you fumbled it, you fumbled it, right,
didn't matter if the ground cause it, didn't matter if
a guy ripped it out of your hands when he
was down on the ground.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
A fumble was a fumble.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
And then your uncle Joe is Joe West, retired legendary
Major League Baseball umpip. Of course, of course, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
And though I don't fully agree with that sentiment, I
do think there is a grain of truth there in
that the rule book has gotten so complicated and there
are so many like permutations of roughing the quarterback. There
are so many different variables that need to be considered
on every plane. No wonder, it's such a hard job,
right If the officiating feels like it's getting worse. It's
probably because the rules are getting more sophisticated and it's
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getting harder to kind of govern the game as it's
going on. And yeah, we have replays, and replays has
limits as well. The thought that I have had multiple
times throughout the course of this year is, I wonder
if you try to streamline this, if you try to
take some of these gray areas out, or just make
a judgment call one way or the other, if that
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wouldn't make the job a little bit easier in the
officiating feel like it's a little bit better across the board.
Right again, I umpired twelve year olds playing little league baseball.
I have never umpired anything out there on the field
of play in the football game.
Speaker 2 (51:31):
And you've since been banned. Yeah, after that horrible call.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
Even if I'm making this up, but yeah, I'll go
with that, it'll give me a hard edge either way.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Look, it's a hard job. I just wonder if.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
There is some simplification in order to you know, let
some of the stuff slide, or as you said, the
TACIT agreement beforehand, to allow some penalties to go uncalled.
You know, if you watch the NFL, Like I watched
the Giants game yesterday.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Unfortunately. I mean, it's just flag after flag, flag of
the flag of the play, right some of them.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
That's some of this stuff is just it's very clear
that you could just not call it and it'd be fine,
and I don't think anybody would have too much uproar.
But it's as long as it goes both ways, right,
song as it goes both ways? Yeah, as long as
there is a targeting call that goes one way and
then somebody gets hit, you know, an egregious crown of
the helmet hit and it doesn't get called, You're just like, well,
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what type of game are we looking for here? Because
nobody wants a game featuring one team committing fourteen penalties
and another team committing twelve penalties.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Right, you don't.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Nobody wants an a rhythmic game with constant stoppages. I
don't think people want games in which penalties are constantly
being reviewed by you know, the league office, the command
center in real time all the time. Nobody wants that.
So then you're juggling, Okay, what are we calling? What
are the rules that are important here? What are the
rules that like are affecting the game. Like, how many
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times have we seen a play get called back because
a left guard was two and a half feet past
the allotted you know, distance beyond the line of scrimmage
that right, that happens. No, that has no effect on
the play whatsoever? Right that it Like it's a quarterback
scrambling out. The guy doesn't even go downfield, you know,
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until after the ball is thrown, or like right before
the ball is thrown, and that giant play, that game
change and play is brought back because an illegal man downfield.
It wasn't like a guy getting super far upfield to
really sell an RPO that's affecting defensive keys. It's just
a guy not knowing that the ball was thrown and
started running down to help block and it's called back. Like,
is that the spirit of a flag that we want
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in this sport? I would say, no, it's a judgment call,
and you want to take out judgment calls as much
as you can. But like, does it affect the spirit
of this play? Is a defensive end being held as
he's going in for a game changing sac call the hold, right,
But in the situation like that where it has no
bearing on.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
The outcome of a play. He's just like, it's fine,
let it go. I don't know, man.
Speaker 3 (53:59):
We could probably do a whole podcast series on the
evolution of and current public support for targeting, but we
won't do that here.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
By the way, you're never going to convince anybody that
a game was well refereed because during a game, everybody
watching the game is just all like testosterone and just
nothing but like guts and id and emotions, and you
can't appreciate the nuances of a no call or a
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great call or whatever, and it's it's sort of a
thankless situation. These these refs are put in, but yeah,
you'd like to see more spirit and more things going
both ways and not having a discussion about them at all.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
So look, we have two games to preview. We have
some under the radar games that we need to get to.
You did write three questions for me. If if you
want to, we can.
Speaker 1 (54:54):
Let's go through this. I'll go through them quickly. Yeah,
go ahead, all right, First question, ty, I wrote it
down and I'm searching for it. Okay. First question, Ashanti
test So this is a you thing.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Continue of the quarterbacks in the top twelve, who do
you trust the most the least, and who has the
biggest opportunity to catapult themselves these last few weeks. And
by catapult I mean like become a household national name
that isn't necessarily yet.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
All right, So I based this on the AP Top
twenty five.
Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yes, no disrespect to our forballer hood, but it's you know,
it's close enough.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
I probably trust Ty Simpson the most right now.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Okay, you could definitely make a case for Julian saying,
you could probably make a case for Fernando Mendoz after
what we saw this past week. Marcel Reid has been
great this year. There are a lot of really good quarterbacks.
That's why these teams are in the top twelve to
begin with. But I think every time I watched an
Alabama game, it feels to me like Ty Simpson is
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putting the ball where it needs to be accurately, on time,
and more often than not, in the face of a
pretty vicious pass rush, pass rush yep. So for me,
he feels like the guy above all in this field.
Right now, just you know, I could change my mind.
He feels like the guy that scares me the most,
So I would probably go Tie Simpson. Okay, the one
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that I would trust least right now will be bear
Bachmeyer up to four hundred pounds. Now, we've been recording
for about an hour, so he keeps putting on the weight.
I like bear Bachmeyer. I think he's a really talented player.
I think the way that he almost fits what Byu
does offensively to a t because he can.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Do so many different things.
Speaker 3 (56:43):
Yeah, but right now, in terms of you know who
I trust relative to the field here I he's going
to be the last one, okay, where I think you
agree with that? You disagree with that? Yes, who would
you trust less than bear Bachmeyer?
Speaker 2 (56:58):
I think I would trust both Baron Morton and arch
Manning less at this moment, and I'm willing to even
maybe trust Trinidad Shambliss less.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
I have arch Manning as the guy who could catapult
himself the most over these next few weeks. Again, it
could be the same person, It could be the same person.
Arch Manning has a road tilt this week against Georgia,
which we're going to talk about momentarily. If he plays
well in that game, clearly that's going to catapult his
trust stock.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
If nothing more, he.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
Closes out the year against what appears to be what
should still be a top three Texas A and M
team rivalry spot in Austin to close out the season.
If arch Manning goes on a really nice run here
these final three weeks, he, above all else, I think,
has more opportunity to catapult his stock and make himself
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more trustworthy than any other name on this list. Arch Manning,
by the way, it feels to me like arch Manning
since their bye week has gotten better. It feels like
they have improved their passing attack a little bit more
and it just seems like emperiend's clicking and I say
bye week, But what I really mean is the concussion. Okay,
oh yes, you know, and he even joked about that.
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But since that moment, it feels as if he's playing
a little bit more loose, a little bit more accurate,
a little bit freer, maybe not looking at the line
as much when he's dropping back. I think, given the
games that he's got in front of him, the answer
are there is obvious. It's arch You can catapult himself
the most.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
So the reason why I would say that I trust
bear Bachmeyer a little bit more than say Baron Morton
say arch Manning. In arch Manning's case, I just don't
trust the line in front of him in these huge
games for him to have enough time to grow and shine,
with an addendum being yes, the running game has shown
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up a little bit more recently, but it's not a
huge weapon. I don't know if, like I really like
Ryan wingout outside for arch and for Texas, but it
doesn't feel like they have that room in the way
that they did last season led by I guess Matthew Golden,
and so with the experienced offensive line last season, there
was a lot more to trust about Texas on offense.
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So I don't trust Arts just because I don't think
he's going to be given the opportunity to prove himself
to be more trustworthy. It's also kind of like I
don't trust John Mattier, like I don't love I mean,
the Oklahoma line has gotten better, but I don't love
this offense week to week in big games. This week
will go a long way, right Oklahoma has Bama, yep,
this week will go along. I just I don't have
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a lot of trust in that passing offense. So maybe
it's passing offense instead of quarterback name in terms of catapulting.
I actually think Marcel Reid I don't think in terms
of his name recognition that he is there with a
lot of the quarterbacks in this top ten, twelve, fifteen,
even though he's earned it.
Speaker 1 (59:46):
He's been really good this year.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
I think if he is able to go to Austin
and show out against the Texas defense, that's when you're
talking about a true national catapult with Marcel Reid. All right,
give me question number two. Question number two, Tyler, I
went to the wrong window for my question. Does schedule
matter to you in terms of December slash January preparedness?
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And I will add what Ohio State was able to
glean from both the Oregon loss and the Michigan loss
last year. And this is a small sample size of
one team one year, but in this current era, what
Ohio State was able to do in terms of growing
for the playoff because of their test during the regular season.
Does the fact that Ohio State doesn't have that this season. Indiana,
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I think, is going to finish the season against the
Big twelve with a grouping of teams that are like
two to twenty nine in the conference like something. Again,
not their fault. But do you feel a little bit
skittish pushing all your chips to the middle of the
table when we have some of these teams being seemingly
as untested as they look right now. I know that's
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a very loaded like.
Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
No, well, there's almost two questions in there. Yeah, I
mean the first thing that comes to mind is and
I mean, you know, because I've said this forever, a
team is not its schedule.
Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Agree.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
You know, I've referred to this over the years as
the Boise State test, where you can be the best
team in the country and have terrible strength of schedule mhm.
And we have a tendency to connect the two that
if you have a good schedule, therefore you must be
a good team, or vice versa. I tend to think
that those things are a little bit more mutually exclusive
than they would appear if you read some of the
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public commentary. There's value in having a good schedule, and
I think that's what you're getting to. But in terms
of you know, this team has a crap schedule, therefore
they must be crap or therefore they're completely overrated. I
just I don't always see it that way. I think
that's kind of an unfair approach, Do.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
You prefer teams that you have confidence in?
Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
No, of course, of course I prefer those teams. And
this is where I would say that as schedule is
basically a series.
Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Of experiments week in and week out. Great way of phrasing.
Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
It, you know, and if you are doing an experiment correctly,
you are learning something from it. So yeah, playing better defenses,
playing tough games on the road, close game situations, having
some familiarity with that type of thing absolutely builds confidence
and should make you a better team. So in terms
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of ranking, in terms of ranking teams, if I am
looking purely at strength of schedule, I don't think that
tells the full picture of how good a team is
or isn't. But when it comes to picking teams in
the playoffs, that's when I tend to look a little
bit more at who's battle tested and who isn't. Right,
But that's where I tend to look at all, Right,
who has this team played? What types of situations have
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they been in through the course of the season. Did
it appears if they grew from that? I mean, we
could use Notre Dame as an example, because you brought
them up earlier but Notre Dame got shelled on defense
for the first couple week of the year. They have
gotten better now. The competition probably need to grade this
on a bit of a curve because it's not playing
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Texas A and m in Miami every week. But even still,
it feels as if there's been real growth there. They've
definitely gotten better at quarterback. They've gotten better on offense.
They are a lot more explosive than they were at
the start of the year as they have figured this
thing out. So teams are allowed to grow, teams are
allowed to adapt and adjust, and absolutely being in those
situations is something that I think has real value. But again,
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a team is not as schedule, so keep things I
think within limits.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah, the only thing I would add is reinforcing like
it's not a team isn't their schedule, But a team
gives itself every advantage when they play those measuring stick games,
when they're able to course correct certain aspects of their
team based on performances against playoff or playoff ish or
playoff adjacent type teams. Even a team like Ole Miss
All Miss. I believe this season right, no Texas, no
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Texas A and m Obama, no Vanderbilts, and it's impossible
for any of these teams, Like, not everybody can play
a murderous schedule in these giant conferences. So that's obviously
you know, it should be noted. But yeah, I and
part of it is, I mean, sorry to say it's
Penn State's fault now that Penn State isn't a good
team for Ohio State and Indiana to measure themselves against.
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Like you're just gonna have those situations. It's happened in
the ACC with teams like Clemson and Florida State not
providing some of the better teams that conference with measuring
stick opportunities. And then you know LSU and Florida and
some of the Auburn some of the more disappointing teams
in the SEC. Not everybody can be a top fifteen
team again, these giant conferences. But these teams that have
fallen off either unexpectedly or dramatically, are affecting schedules and
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are affecting We talked about this earlier, our ability to
look forward to a top fifteen matchup. It just feels
like there are less measuring stick games this year. Again,
it's your alma mater's fault in Penn State.
Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
I just I care a lot more about does it
feel as if a team is getting better totally? And
you can quantify that however you want. For some it's
the eye test. For others, there are analytics that you
can look at EPA per play efficiency, success rates. I mean,
the list goes on and on in numbers that you
can look at and maybe in some cases that you
prefer one over the other. But that's that's the thing
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that I tend to care a little bit more about
versus you.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Know, what's your strength of schedule? Final the games? Yeah,
final question.
Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
So I mean this is an easy transition. What's the
best remaining game of the regular season, not including conference
championship weekend. This is just you personally where you're just like,
this is the game where I want to order a
special sandwich. Clear my schedule, Like, make sure I've got
my special blankie on the couch.
Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
I do have a blanky, by the way, I don't
know exactly right you have a blanky. I call it
a blankie, but it's got a nice little fleece lining
to it.
Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
So I just bought a new premium one for Jody
with and I her birthday just passed, and so that
was one of the gifts that I gave.
Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Have you tried the weighted blanket thing yet?
Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
No, but I understand that people really like it. It's
like extremely comfortable and calming, right, Yeah, but I'm open
to suggestions, blanket suggestions.
Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
So what is the what is the ultimate schedule carve
out for you? So, I mean, I'm pretty excited about
Texas George which we're going to talk about here in
a few minutes. For me, the answer is Texas Texas
A and.
Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
M Okay in Austin. I think the Friday right after Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah, man, I am so pumped for that game. I
am thrilled for that. I mean, I'm thrilled for three
games that weekend, Texas Texas A and M Georgia. Georgia
Tech should be fun, and obviously Ohio State Michigan. That
goes without saying. Those three games are just incredible. And
there are plenty of other incredible games in week fourteen,
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But the Texas Texas A and M thing, the rivalry
coming back to Austin. I don't know what state this
game will find Texas in, you know, like one of
the things we'll talk about what this Georgia affair this
weekend is. The range of possibilities for Texas is vast
at this point. If they win against Georgia, a lot
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is still left to play for. If they lose, a
lot of the postseason stuff goes up in smoke. But
this could be an opportunity to introduce a little bit
of chaos, let's say, into the SEC race, into the
playoff field. Okay, So there's a lot that I think
could go on just based on the outcome of this
Texas Texas A and M game, and a lot of
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it is dependent on where Texas is at.
Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
For me, that's the easy answer.
Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Georgia Georgia Tech was fun as hell a year ago,
and I don't really have a reason to think that
it won't be fun again Georgia Tech. You know, on defense.
Maybe that's a separate conversation. Ohio State Michigan clearly is
like its own subcategory what we talk about big regular
season affairs. But for me, it's Texas, Texas A and M.
Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Okay, I was between this week's Georgia Texas because it's
such a terrific measuring stick and it's at the top
and it's gonna have all sorts of implications.
Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I was between that.
Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I obviously considered Texas Texas A and m Ohio State
Michigan those types of games. But I'm gonna give you
a wild card, and it's purely for potential electricity, potential
driving at least one fan base completely out of their minds,
having still conference championship implications, and it just looks like
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it's going to be such an entertaining game. I might
get a weighted blanket just to watch Miami pit Pit.
Miami man at Pitt, It's at Pittyeah. Both of these
teams have very clear weaknesses, I mean not clear weakness.
Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
In terms of Miami.
Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Miami can be very good, they haven't been generating huge
plays as much as they probably should be, considering some
of the talent on this offense and Carson Beck's experience.
Pitt is sort of like an all or nothing team.
Both of these schools have, you know, big emotional coaches.
I just there is something about this matchup that in
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a year that we've lost some of these huge matchups
and this is not a huge matchup, but there is
something about this specific game where I was just like, Man,
this feels like entertainment in a way, like, oh, it'll
be an entertaining game. It's there's not like the seriousness
of a game with Miami and Pitt. But it's just like,
I think I'm gonna pay more attention to Miami Pitt
this year than I am some like top fifteen top
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twenty matchups. If it's not a top fifteen top twenty matchup,
I can't wait.
Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
Well, Look, as I said before, Miami's probably out of
the running for both the ACC and the playoff.
Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Probably m hm. They've got games against NC State, against
Virginia Tech, and then they close out the year against Pitt.
Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
M HM.
Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
I don't know what state of Miami is going to
be in no at that point, Like, if they have
some of the these brain farts, could they lose NC State?
Could they lose a Virginia Tech on the road, Like
if that happens and they take another loss before they
get to Pitt, are they gonna care about Pitt?
Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
M h.
Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
I'm crazy excited for that game too, and I probably
have a bit of a rooting interest because you know,
I was high on Pit at the start of the year.
It didn't look as if it was going to go
in that direction, but you know, it's kind of boomerang
back around now with the new quarterback.
Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
So we will talk about that one to do course.
Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
But let us know your answer to this question or
any of these questions Solidverbo at gmail dot com or
hit us up on social media.
Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
The second third tier end of the like last three
or four weeks of the season, matchups that we could have,
like in terms of like here's I'll give you another one.
Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
I know the show's going on. I apologize, that's okay,
it's our show.
Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Tennessee Vanderbilt. Yeah, is there any chance that that's not
a forty eight to forty five game? No, none, that's
gonna be a perfect football experience unless you run a
camp for linebackers or something.
Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
That's gonna be perfect. I can't wait for that game.
It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
So like, yes, some disappointing teams have ruined our ability
to have top ten matchups every week, and that's fine,
but there's a lot of meat on this November bone.
Excuse me, the Govember colin. It's Diego's time bone. It's
gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Well, even a game like the Egg Bowl, you know
old Misssissippi State.
Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
I mean, I hope so, but I'm not positive it
will be.
Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
I mean, I'm curious just because I think Misissippi State's
gonna have a lot to play for. They want to
play spoiler. There's a chance they could play spoiler in
that game. We didn't even mention the Iron Bowl. You know,
Alabama is in a good spot, but that game tends
to be weird.
Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Not necessarily gonna take that one to the bank as
being a close affair. But yeah, there are a bunch
of games. These rivalries that I think we're gonna happen
upon in week fourteen are incredible.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
They look amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Oh man, I have I have so many deep cut
wishes and hopes for the last like three four weeks
of the season. Like New Mexico's not out of it.
For the Mountain West, they need some help and they
get San Diego State the last week of the season.
It's time for Jason Eck and the boys to get
it done. Oh, there's so many a lot great under
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the radar possibilities.
Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
It's great, all right, Dan, let's previous some games. Fucky
Bird Special.
Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
We have two games that we're going to look at here.
As you said, maybe the show's run a little bit long,
but whatever, Okay, do whatever we want here the first
one we're going to talk about. It's at a high noon,
It's on ABC. It is number ten Notre Dame. They
are now an eleven and a half point favorite on
the road at the number twenty four Pit Panthers. I
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will add, just as a important personal note, m this
game freaks the hell out of me every year. Sure,
it freaks the hell out of me every year. I
have a vivid memory of watching this game from Kate's parents' house.
Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
This is shortly after.
Speaker 3 (01:13:05):
We like officially became a couple, and shortly after I
met the parents and did that ooh eleven back when
we were young and full of life. Yeah, that was
the fifteen to twelve game that Notre Dame one at
pitt tell me rescaming through like three hundred yards. But
I just remember being in this very weird mental place
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where on one hand, I am ready to jump out
of my skin. On the other, I am self aware
enough to realize that I in this moment, if I
want this to go well, I cannot act like a psycho.
That was a very interesting push pull for me and
I still have scar tissue because of it. Notre Dame
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one that game, but they have lost in the past
to Pit. I see ten and a half on the
road at Pitt. That scares me a lot, a lot.
I'm probably not the most objective voice in this conversation,
So why don't you lead us off here? How do
you feel about this game?
Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Pitt coming off of bye I like that against the
you know, the biggest opponent on their schedule, and you know,
start up a very difficult stretch for Pitt with also
with Georgia Tech and Miami to finish out the season.
So I like that Pitt has rest. I like that
there is was the phrase you're looking for, like vim
and vigor when you know that's when you were young
and spirited in twenty eleven. I think Pitt has some
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of that with a freshman quarterback. There's a lot inconsistent
about Pitt. There's a lot that they could do better,
but it's the acc you can win games lacking in
some areas of your of your roster. Sure, it's a
lot of points. I think I like Notre Dame here.
I think Notre Dame is good enough to take advantage
of flaws, and they've taken care of business in a
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way that like. I appreciate when teams are boring strong,
and Notre Dame has been boring strong, like the Boston
College game. I guess aside that was not boring strong.
That was otherwise plunker. Yeah, that was a clunker. The
weather should be fine in Pittsburgh. I looked up my
my low pressure systems and they're fine. I don't love
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I like even pitt playing in a big game at home.
I don't love that they don't have a home field advantage.
I don't love that even though you know they'll get
people out for this game, there will be excitement there.
It's just not the same if Notre Dame were playing
Penn State or Michigan or Ohio State or any you know,
it's just a different environment for a game like this.
And so I like Notre Dame here to win this
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game by a couple touchdowns. My thought was something like
thirty three to twenty thirty five, twenty one. I think
it will be competitive back and forth. I think Mason
Hinsch will make a couple plays that will have tie
questioning whether or not Notre Dame's defense is truly fixed.
Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
But that happens weekly.
Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
By the way, the problem with Notre Dame is there's
enough talent and aggression on this defense to complement a
backfield where you can just have Jeremiah Love rush for
eighty eight yards at the drop of a hat, or
Jeddarium Price just you know, rip off a thirty seven
yard run where he just has a small lane and
he's gone that that has opened things up enough for CJ. Carr,
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who again I think is one of the best dozen
quarterbacks or so in the country. I don't know if
Notre Dame has winter Wonders to compete at the very
top of the sport at receiver yet in the way
that they still I think need. But they have good receivers.
I just don't think they have killers there yet. But
I think those good receivers are good enough to get
enough against this pit defense if they can protect Cjcar enough,
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which I'm sure you'll talk about with Pitt's pass rush.
I just I think the fire of Notre Dame on
both sides of the ball over four quarters will be
too much on the road in good weather thirty five
to one.
Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I mean, look, you bring up Mason Heinschel and
the move to Mason Hinschell has been the type of
thing that has prompted a bunch of emails into solid
verbal at gmail dot com. Of course, you know, anytime
you make a move to a freshman, you never know
what you're going to get. But this is a guy
who was hand picked from Kate Bell, their offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
I went through his recruitment. He got offered us from
five MAX schools, Liberty and Coastal Carolina. He ended up
going to Pitt, So Pitt making the move to him
was very much I think a sign of confidence in
kid Bell as much as it was a vote of
no confidence in e Y Holstein. They have now won
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their last five games. As you said, they are off
or they were off a week ago, so they're coming
off arrest advantage here. This is going to be a
test though for Mason Heinschel, unlike any I think he
has seen so far the season, because this defense is
just dramatically better than the others that he's played against.
He's going to see a lot of man coverage, about
twenty percent more than average. I am very curious to
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see what kind of scheme Chris Ash decides to draw
up for this one. Because I went through the numbers.
Heinschel is way better on the intermediate throws beyond ten
yards and the deeper throws beyond twenty, way better at
those than he is at the short stuff. And my theory,
and again this is groundbreaking stuff. You can write this
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down if you want to, Dan yep. But my theory
is that when he has time to throw downfield, is
really good. But the pit line is giving up a
lot of pressure and so I think some of those
shorter throws that don't grade out as well are coming
under duress. And that's where I think this Notre Dame
pass rush is going to play. I think a leading
role probably the biggest key to this game. Pitt is
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mostly a one dimensional offense. They are not running the
ball as well as I thought they might when I
did my preseason preview. They're just not They're a one
dimensional passing team. They are not going to win unless
they can get some success through the air. And I
think Chris Ash and Notre Dame knows it. So how
they scheme that up? What that looks like? Do they
try to blitz? So they try to drop back and
just make them to throw, make them throw short. I
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don't know what that scheme looks like, but it feels
to me like if you look at the numbers, if
you watch a Pitt all this season, it's fairly well
telegraphed the type of stuff they're going to do great,
So I think that's advantage Notre Dame, and the flip
side is equally as interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
How does Pitt try to cover their bases against this
Notre Dame offense? Their defense so far the season has
gotten a lot of pressure, presumably because they blitz forty
percent of the time and opponent drops back, but otherwise
it's a very zone heavy scheme. It is the most
zone heavy defense in all of college football. Eighty five
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percent of the time they are dropping into some kind
of zone, very stout against the run, which should benefit
them well in a game like this, but I think
in order to win it is some combination of HEV blitzing,
disguising your coverage and confusing CJ. Carr maybe to force
some kind of mistake, and you know, keying on the
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run to not be gashed by Jeremiah Love and or
Jadarian Price. I think they good enough to do one
of those things. I don't think they're good enough to
do all of them right. And that's sort of where
I come down on the Notre Dame side, or why
I'm coming down on the Notre Dame side. To me,
this looks like a recipe for a big game from
Notre Dame's tight end Eli Reridan. I think Jeremiah Love
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catching passes out of the backfield is very dangerous. I
mean it's dangerous in general, but it's going to be
even more dangerous for Pitt in this game, given the
way that they play. I think those are the types
of things that end up having a really big impact here.
Notre Dame's gonna win this game. I'm not laying eleven
and a half points though on the road. I just
have far too much scar tissue for that. Something like
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thirty one to twenty four feels about right to me.
I don't think the Notre Dame defense is going to
hold him down completely. I think Mason Einchell and Pitt
will score, and I think maybe maybe it's a late touchdown.
I don't know if it feels thirty one twenty four
the full way through, but.
Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I have pit covering this game. I think it's a
bad move, man.
Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
The more I even think about and hearing you talk
about it, Notre Dame schedule as such where they need
to put everything they have into this game, right, So
Notre Dame. It's coming off of Navy, which they you know,
just absolutely shocked and odd. I think there's a chance
Notre Dame wins this game fifty two to thirteen.
Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
It's entirely possible.
Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
And you know, I think I was texting with our
friend Tim Murray from Visen. I think they'll them apart
before we hit go. And I think Tim feels similarly,
but he's always telling me, like follow the points spread,
like the points spread actually does tell a story, whether
you better or not right, And I hear you, But
there is also the emotional side.
Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Of me as a fan. I hear you. You know,
we love this sport.
Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
We kind of live, breathe and eat this sport this
time of year, the whole year throughout, and I cannot
put my emotions on the bench here.
Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
I know it, man, I know it. There is there
is something about like pittscripting an amazing first drive and
they're playing with tempo and they go up seven to
nothing on a great first drive.
Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Oh you can count on that happening.
Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
You losing your mind? Yeah, Notre Dame being patient, and like,
I think Pitt's good, but Pitt has played the the
dregs of the ACC to sort of turn this season around.
With Mason Heiitschel, they made the move, but it's Boston College,
a Poorlyague coached Florida State team obviously an underwhelming one.
Syracuse with Ricky Collins. NC State has like a horrendous
(01:22:35):
defense this year in Stanford, and so I'm holding nothing
against Pitt, but I just think who they've beaten to
get to this point does not necessarily represent what they
are or are not other than better than those teams.
Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Seven point thirty on ABC, number eleven, Texas on the
road at number five Georgia, Georgia favored by six points.
You may recall these teams met twice last year. George
got him twice, beat him once in Austin, and then
beat him another time in Atlanta for the SEC Championship.
I mentioned this earlier as well, but the range of
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outcomes here for Texas, just in terms of its season,
not this game, but the season for Texas could go
a variety of different ways. If they run the table,
they're going to end up beating two top five teams.
They're probably playing for the SEC going to the playoff.
If they lose, it's lost number three playoff hopes probably
(01:23:36):
go up and smoke. Who knows what happens the rest
of the way. This one is complicated I think by
the fact that it's a road game, and when I
was trying to go through and.
Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Or made easier or made easier, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Yeah, but emotionally as I was trying to sort my
way through this game, Texas has had some difficulty.
Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
On the road. You know.
Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
They had a game out selling Yeah, the game of
Ohio State, which I don't really hold against them, but.
Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
I mean they did not look good on offense, investing
a ton in this offense and having blue chips exclusively
on this offense and scored one touchdown. It's a week one,
this week one. But then they lose to Florida on
the road. Florida since fired its coach.
Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
The Kentucky game was close, that was losible, the Mississippi
State game that was yeah. You know, those are all
one score games, So I am I am just curious
as we talk about this, how much it factors in
for you that this is another road spot for Texas.
They haven't been wonderful on the road in some cases
against teams that they should have we would expect beat
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a lot more easily.
Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, this offense arch Manning, whatever you
want to say, has improved over the past few weeks,
but it also doesn't shine the brightest when the lights
are brightest, and that has been on the road, that
has been in the sec that has been against the
best teams and the best defenses that they've placed. It's
just has not been an offense that has held up
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its end of the bargain in these cases. And so
to go and play Georgia, a Georgia team who has
you know, a big spot. A couple weeks ago in
against Florida, they finished that one out. The offense hasn't
looked great in world beating all season long, but it
kind of feels like they're peaking right now, which you'd like.
Against the defense as strong as Texas is. The game
is in Athens. Texas has not been able to play
(01:25:30):
its best football in the road at all, which might
be even under selling the situation.
Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
I haven't seen anything from this passing game against good teams,
especially on the road. Like I think Vanderbilt's defense is
kind of falling apart, and Texas, for whatever reason, their
defensive game plan of that game was real screw in
the second half, letting Vandy back in it. I just
I don't think there's a lot to trust about Texas
in a big game in this moment, is there? I
(01:26:01):
like Georgia here. What's the number again?
Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
I got it at six right now? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
I see the thing is picking against the Texas defense
and getting that many points is very attractive because the
Texas defense can be excellent, but it just hasn't seemed
like enough too often this season. So I think Georgia
wins this game by seven to nine points. So I'm
(01:26:26):
gonna give those points. Wow, twenty three to fourteen, twenty
one to fourteen.
Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Okay, like a lower score.
Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
I don't think I think it's lower scoring. I don't
think Georgia gets to twenty eight. I don't think any
winner gets to twenty eight. But yeah, lower scoring here,
twenty four sixteen, But I think Georgia covers.
Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Well, let me put it to you this way, Okay, Okay,
I am not going to do my locks on this
episode because we're already like an hour thirty okay, and
I am still receiving applications from the verballer hood for
my little reverse thing, okay, of course. But with that
being said, this is a game under consideration, and I
(01:27:08):
would say, what's really cool about this one just from
a narrative perspective. If Texas wins, it's because Arch banning
is a really good day through the year, because that's
where you get Georgia.
Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I think it's the only way.
Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
I think it's the only way. And Arch winning this
game on the road would be like a week of
content for us. Right to further the point that I
mentioned earlier about catapaulting one's trustworthiness, If Arch goes to
Athens and wins, that helps arches stock.
Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I think agree, it helps anybody stock, any boy stock.
Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
If we zoom in a little bit more though, what's
really interesting is the battle that I think emerges here
in the trenches between what I would describe as the
movable object and the stoppable force. Okay, Texas is one
hundred and twenty second in pressure rate allowed, Georgia is
ninety nine.
Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
That creating pressure.
Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Whoever wins that is going to win this game, right,
Whoever wins that side of it is what this comes
down to, because if they're able to get pressure on Arch,
if Arch isn't able to be successful through the air, Frankly,
Texas has not been that successful on the ground at
all this season, let alone the fact that they're going
up against the Georgia defense. It's pretty good against the run,
(01:28:15):
so they have to throw it here. And if Georgia
can force the issues, beat him up and prevent him
from having time back there to pick him apart, then
I think that's the game.
Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
I mean, look to be fair though, to Georgia, even
at their best, this was not a huge like send
pressure off the edge defense. It's much more read and
react and disguise and just your guys against our guys,
and we think we have more talent and we have
more playmakers like this has not been like no, no, no,
a ferocious blitzing team. They picked their spots, they picked
(01:28:46):
the think this is not the intention of their defense necessarily.
Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Yeah, fiftieth or something fifty fourth.
Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I just looked at the number before nationally in terms
of how often they're blitzing per drop back. So it's
a they're not a pit right right. Pitt does it
like a lot forty percent of the time. George is
more like thirty percent of the time something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
It's a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I think that a lot of that is protecting youth too, right,
not leaving a ton of dudes on islands or with
a ton of space.
Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yeah, and I guess if we're talking of it in
these terms, the Georgia line, if you flip the script
a little bit, the Georgia line's way better in pass protection.
I also think the Texas defense is gettible through the
air that should benefit Gunner stocked In.
Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Ultimately, that might be too strong a word, gettible. It
is good Texas defense. Beat up the Texas defense, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
But it is gettable through the air. Like if you're
going to attack this defense, that's how you attack them.
Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Okay. In my opinion, I have a lot more faith
in Georgia and Gunner stocked In than I do Texas.
Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
And so I've got this one somewhere around like thirty
to twenty three.
Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
My other wild card is Mike Bobo. Is that how
we're saying it now Bbo. Mike Bobo.
Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yeah, Mike Bobo in a big game against a top
D defense, good, Mike Bolbo. Sure is fun. But I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
You listen to enough Georgia fans who've been through those wars.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
It's a concern point with me that we could get
to the middle of the third quarter and you look
at you look internally at your college football brain, You're.
Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Like, what is he even trying to do right now?
What is he? What is the point of that.
Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
I've been reading our discord messages. I think you're not
alone in that one.
Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Right, So that that worries me, even at home, even
with what has been a growing defense, even with what
has been like, you know, the running game has been
sort of hit and miss, but the emergence of Chauncey
Bowen's obviously, Nate Fraser had a good week last week.
There's a lot to really really like about this Georgia team.
But there is one headset in the booth that still
(01:30:50):
makes me think twice about Georgia in a big game.
I don't know, but I'm doing it anyway. Yeah, twenty
four to sixteen, Georgia, why.
Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
Don't we close out on this front, Dan, Okay, So
normally we do this on a Thursday. I wanted to
do it this week on a Tuesday, just to make
sure that everybody knew what they were in for.
Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Okay, in week twelve seven, under the Radar Games.
Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I'm not doing picks. I am not doing a preview.
I am simply telling you why they are under the
radar on why you should give a damn Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
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Yeah. And second of all, how how long are we
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I don't know if you got the note about this,
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They're not I got an email about this, Yeah, but
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You just have to click a button and go through it.
Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
But they're obviously banking on people not collecting their twenty
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Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
I have found many an illegal link and I will
start tweeting those out.
Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
I don't really care. You need them sometimes. Yeah, I'm
not being paid by any of these guys, all.
Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
Right, High noon, FS one Arizona at Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
Cincinnati is favored by six.
Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
This is interesting to me because if Cincinnati wins out,
they more than likely play for the Big twelve title.
But there is a possible look ahead here with BYU
on deck. So just keep this one back corner of
your mind.
Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Also high nud on Fox number twenty one. Michigan a
ten point favorite on the road at north Western. I
think Michigan is better. I think Michigan will win going
away but under the radar and kind of cool because
they're playing this one at Rayley Field.
Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Wow, other than you're on my own, other than your own,
my own.
Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Yeah, twelve forty five sec Network Arkansas on the road
at LSU. I have this one at six and a half.
I don't know if that changed. I have absolutely no
idea what's going to happen in this game.
Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
I'll tell you what's going to happen. Do you want
me to tell you? Historically speaking, LSU either wins this
game by thirty five or three. So if you like LSU,
they're going to cover it easily. If you're not sure,
if you like LSU, you know, making the quarterback switch
last week, you're you know, I'm sure of a lame
duck program taking on another lame duck program. It's gonna
be a three point game either way.
Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
I just think it could be really entertaining. Yeah, which
is why I put it on the list. Here four
o'clock EESP and you watch it however you can.
Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
I'll see if I can find an illegal stream. Okay,
Memphis at ECU. Ooh, I like this quiet ECU successful year,
very successful year. ECU is favored by two and a
half points. Interestingly, Yeah, So the first question is how
does Memphis respond after losing last week to two lane.
(01:34:18):
The second question is, and it's not more of a question,
but it's just more something to put on your radar.
Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
It's currently flying under.
Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Many There is a possible scenario that would put ECU
in the American title game if they went out and
if they finished seven to one in conference. And I
say possible because there are still a whole range of possibilities.
Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
In the American I don't want to commit to that.
Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
But if ECU wins out, if they finished seven to
one in conference, there's a whole series of other tiebreakers
and computer rankings that could give them the No, I
don't have access to those computers. I don't know what
that looks like. But U having the pirates having a
really good year, having a really good year, and they
have a shot to get a top standings.
Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
So let's just leap this.
Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
This game also could affect how many times you send
me a fake story about Ryan Silverfield taking the job
from a user name like d's Jugs for forty seven
but has Ross Dellinger's picture as his picture.
Speaker 3 (01:35:16):
That was so good and it was definitely a tandem
that worked on that.
Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
Yeah, of course because it was Ross Dellinger.
Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
And then there was another fake account that looked real
that retweeted it, and so they got like double the boost.
They were gaming the algorithm. Everybody fell for it for
like ten minutes, and then it was like, oh.
Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Crap, didn't look at the username.
Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
It literally it wasn't d's Jugs for forty seven, but
it was well, it wasn't even They didn't even like
try to do like Capital Eyes as the L's and Dellinger.
It wasn't even that situation.
Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Now, I was up at Mama H's we were eating dinner,
and I'm like, man, this is going to break my
coaching game.
Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Yeah, this is going to break the game. What do
I do. I'm just I guess I'll just leave it go.
Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
I don't know fake account anyway that game. But by
the way, get to the three games. If there happened
to be like an incredible newsbreaker, anonymously named D's Jugs
four forty seven.
Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
I would be here for it.
Speaker 3 (01:36:09):
Continue seven pm, ESPN two if you could watch it.
Number thirteen Utah nine point favorite on the road at Baylor.
Utah is still in the hunt for the Big twelve.
They do need some help. Also, this is a spot
they could overlook. I don't think any likely, but it's
an offense second score. Maybe Utah is a bit stuck
(01:36:30):
in the mud. Maybe it doesn't all fire on all cylinders,
and Baylor finds a way to get a big lead.
Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Who knows. I'm just saying keep that one in the
back of your mud.
Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
And this is an actual Big twelve matchup instead of
the fake Big twelve mess up. Yeah, correct, Okay, Continue
seven thirty ACC Network if you could watch it.
Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Virginia Tech on the road at Florida State, Florida stay
favorite by twelve and a half points. FSU two wins
away from getting Bowl eligible. This is the most winnable
game left. I would also add, if you lose a.
Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Virginia Tech, then perhaps the Mike Norvel conversation gets kicked
up a little bit louder.
Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
They have said they're going to do their end of
season evaluation for Nervel. So I don't expect any kind
of I Meaneason firing, but you lose the tech here
that could definitely seal a fad or two.
Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
I think they're evaluating the stock portfolios of their biggest donors,
not necessarily evaluating the job he's done these past couple seasons.
Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
And last but not least seven to forty five sec
network if he can watch. Yes, Mississippi State on the
road at number twenty two Missouri.
Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Missouri a six and a half point favorite.
Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
We got two teams here who got smoked last week.
A question for me is could Mississippi State steal one?
If so, they would get to six wins, which would
be a nice story.
Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Yeah, Blake shape and hurt last week. Obviously that changes
his or their season's calculus. It was what Camaro Taylor
who came in yes from Mississippi State. Yeah, this one
just feels like entertainment to me, Like I might not
watch the first half and then I see the score
and they're like, well, this is going up one of.
Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
The TVs because this is gonna get weird.
Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
I don't know why I said number twenty two Missouri.
They fell out of the top twenty five. I guess
my document was wrong, but nonetheless none a lot of
it's like an interesting Yes, Missoo's running back room is
going to need so much oxygen after what they're going
to do on the ground, win or lose to Mississippi State.
Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
Why don't we leave it there? Dan a longer than
usual episode, but we had a lot to unpack. I
had a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
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Most of them aren't this long. Yeah, but again, we
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Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
It's the good stuff, man, take the kids out for
a sleigh ride. Make some snowballs. Can you make a snowman?
Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
Yet, it did come down a good amount five six
inches last night, So there's you.
Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Got five inches of snow last night. It was a lot. Yeah,
I'll send you some pictures Jesus. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:39:09):
Well, on that pleasant note, thank you for Ballers, for
sticking with us. Ballers dot com is where you can
go to further support what we do.
Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
We'll be back on Thursday. We're gonna previews some more games.
Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
We're gonna talk about the college Football Playoff, the official
College Football Playoff rankings.
Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
And brackets once they are available.
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Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
In the meantime, you know, real estates Peace,