WEEK 5 REACTION SHOW: From A State College Basement | College Football

Join us for a very different reaction episode from an undisclosed audio bunker a few blocks south of College Avenue in State College, PA. In this college football podcast episode, we relive our experience at the Oregon-Penn State Whiteout game, the moments that won it for the Ducks and the ways that the Nittany Lions came back from the dead from a 14-point deficit to send the game into overtime. Plus, we give our snap judgement on other results around the country and listen to an all star batch of Reverbs.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me, I'm
a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,
I want to be happy. You want to be happy
for a day? Edith State is that? Whoo whoo? And
now Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
It is not the normal studio that we used to record.
It is about fifteen minutes later than usual here. But
alas we are back with the verballer hood on this
Saturday night, I guess Sunday morning, depending where you're at.
We were just at the Penn State Oregon game. We
hustled down here to our recording bunker on the south

(00:40):
side of State College. Buddy, we made it. I'm sweating,
I'm a little bit hoarse. We've got a lot to
talk about tonight. Yes, we were just at a double
overtime thrower thriller between Penn State and Oregon. Your Orgon
Ducks get the better of the Nitty Lions by a
thirty to twenty four margin. Disclosure, this was the game

(01:02):
that we watched the most intently.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yes, this is the only game that we watched intently
on Week five.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
So we have notes, some thoughts, I guess, some snap
judgments as to what we saw or what results we
saw around the country that we can react to. We
do have an all star cast of reverbs that we
will get into.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yes in just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Maybe if we have some time, we could take some
YouTube questions or just some YouTube thoughts. Being so, we
weren't able to watch as many games as usual in
week five. But Dan, where do we even start here?
I guess follow or subscribe if you are watching this
late at night, early in the morning, if you want
to help us out for ballers dot com is where
you can go.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
We walked a half hour to this basement studio setup,
and your car is still in the parking lot somewhere.
I don't even remember what lot it was. We hooked
it and high tailed it because we needed to get
this show here. The name of this or the theme of
this show is. It appears Iowa State had a really
good Saturday, right. It appears drop more detailed thoughts. We're

(02:07):
going to do a more detailed recap of all of
these games. We're gonna watch all of these games intently.
It appears it's a good thing that Alabama beat Georgia.
It appears that the ending of Illinois USC was super exciting.
It appears that it was a magnificent Week five of
college football unless you are a fan of half of

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these teams. But it appears if you were just a
college football fan and your team won or loss, but
you got to watch a bunch of other games, it
appears you had a really fun Week five. So we
are going to do our best. We obviously watched Oregon
Penn State super intently, and we were able to walk
around tailgates and catch parts of other games. We saw
parts last night of that was last night, right, Yeah, Florida,

(02:51):
I'm just I'm all off Florida State, Virginia Knowle's going
down to the Who's and then of course TCU coming
up just short again to Arizona State, and Houston took
down Oregon State late as well. So we're going to
do our best. We have thoughts. There is going to
be like, as Tyle likes to say, a part due

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yes of our week five weeks, well.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
We will definitely get into that in much much more.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Let's do it. Keep the comments coming.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
If you're watching us live on YouTube, we'll pull some
of those on screen here. Let us know your thoughts
on what you saw today, What was most meaningful to you,
what you think is going to be the most meaningful
going forward. Why don't we set the stage for the
people who are watching now, who are.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Listening at home.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah, you flew in on Friday afternoon, this Friday morning.
We drove up here on Friday afternoon. We spent Friday
night in State College, hung out with some friends. We
spent the better part of today. I'm going to give
a shout out to some of the folks, some of
the many folks that invited us to their tailgates. We
had more than we could possibly get to if we

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didn't get to yours, and you invited us, you will
be hearing from us. We will definitely reach out and
thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Let's talk the game. Let's talk the game. Let's talk
about the game. Let's talk about the game. We have
lots of shows that people can listen to to hear
about our magnificent journey. I was blown away by the
back and forth of this game. I was entertained thoroughly. Obviously,
I came away more relieved than happy given the ending
of the game, but the way in which Oregon was

(04:28):
able to weather driving down the field some but not
finishing in the end zone. The way Penn State was
able to make plays when it mattered kind of on
defense the first two or three quarters was super impressive.
Penn State's defense did plenty to win this game. You know,
they didn't always get off the field with Oregon. The

(04:48):
time of possession stat for a lot of this game
was skewed pretty heavily towards the Ducks, but the Oregon
offense made plays. The Penn State defense made a bunch
of plays. The two big things were the resilience from
both of these teams. Right it was Penn State on
offense going down seventeen to three, having fire Franklin chance

(05:10):
come from the student section have in our experience not
super thrilled people with Andy Kotilniki the offensive coordinator for
Penn State, with Drew Aller and for Drew Aller largely
leading a rushing attack for Penn State on the ground,
giving the ball to talented running backs, making the plays

(05:30):
at the end really good play calling to lean in
what Penn State was suddenly doing really well, which was
wearing down Oregon's defense and Oregon's front. Drew Aller also
had a magnificent pass to the end zone to I
think it was Devonte ross Ross, the resilience from Penn
State to tie that game and eventually send it to overtime,
and then the resilience from Oregon in that setting. We

(05:52):
didn't watch this game on TV. I can tell you
very specific things about how this stadium felt the end
of that game. If you were to hear that volume,
if you were to hear and feel that energy in
the stadium, you would say to yourself, as I said
to myself, I could barely think. I don't know how

(06:12):
Oregon is able to do anything with what is around
them and the defense they're playing against, and how everything
seems to be stacked up against them when a win
seemed pretty in hand, and for Dante More to make
the plays he made, you know, avoiding dds and making
that touchdown throw to I think Gary Bryant, and then
of course throwing an interception on the two point conversion.

(06:35):
Then Dylan Thieneman coming in and icing things on a
pass that was not floated in the way it probably
should have been. I can't believe Oregon walked away with
a win. I can't believe Oregon had to play this
as a game after the going up seventeen to three.
I think guys in front of us left. We had
people leave. They were so detection and you know what like.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Of course, in hindsight, I'm sure they feel like fools, yeah,
because it was an instant classic. But in that moment,
you know as well as I, Penn State felt dead
to rights because the offense was stuck in the mud.
The offense offered no pop whatsoever. It wasn't until that
ensuing drive where something maybe it was that touchdown a

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little fire under Drew Aller, under Andy kotle Nikki, under
the offense, under the team yep, to sort of breathe
some new life into this. The duality of Drew Aller
to me is, I mean, we've been talking about this,
as you know, for years now. It feels like forever
with this guy, we're always kind of waiting for him
to kind of realize that five star potential. But watching

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him up close and personal and seeing how the crowd
reacts to him in real time is not something that
we're used to seeing on our couches every Saturday.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
They're not right, and.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Of course you have people cheering him on, but there
were a lot of booze out there. My hunch is
that it was all for James Franklin or the play calling,
but a lot of that was for Drew and he
went in overwhelming stretch of this game. We were watching
from our seats. Penn State kept running roots over the middle, high, low, mesh,

(08:17):
whatever you want to call it. Right, this is not
an x's and O show. But they were doing all
of those things and he had guys that were open. Now,
he also had a lot of pressure. It's haasder for
me to say this sitting where I was saying, oh,
he's got a guy open.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
He had pressure.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
But there were moments in that game early when he
didn't any miss guys. And then there was especially a moment,
I guess towards the end of the first half where
play didn't come in on time.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
There was a false start.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
You saw him sort of unravel for a few plays
where he's just throwing them just completely wayward. That side
of Drew Aller represents the worst of him. The best
of him is what we saw on that drive where
they came back down the field and a handful of
play is what was four or five play I don't
know how many it was, and hit de Vonte Ross

(09:06):
in the corner a layered throw. I mean, that's an
NFL throw, sure, right, So you kind of get both
of them every game. And I even said to you
at some point, you know, we really haven't had that
near interception. There was that play early where he.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Threw as he was being sort of pushed back.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, like there was there was a play early where
there was it was a questionable decision, but in terms
of truly throwing it into traffic, in terms of truly
trying to thread something over the middle, we didn't see
it until the very last moment. Yeah, And so my
hunch is that he's going to take that pretty hard.
And I think it's probably very easy to gang up
on him given the fact that he threw that interception.
But I do think this is one of those moments

(09:45):
where you got to give him credit because his first
half was really bad. Yeah, he was missing guys all
up until that point when Oregon went up seventeen to three,
and it was at that point that be it through
the air, on the ground, whatever they had to do,
to your point, doesn't need to be pretty, It just
needs to work. He did step up, and he did
answer the bell. It's a shame that it worked out

(10:06):
the way that it did for him and for Penn State.
With the way that they fought back. Oregon was the
better team for the majority of that football game. So
I think Oregon absolutely deserved it, but Penn State fought back,
Aler fought back, Alor led the charge, and so I
think if you're a Penn State fan, obviously this is disappointing.
Like we walked down to our recording bunker here and

(10:27):
we heard the chorus of people around us using flowery
language to talk about Penn State ah Man and another
situation like this, I'm like, what are we going to
do with Franklin or Aler or cotal Nikki.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean, you name it.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
You can spread enough blame to go around, for sure,
But I think the fight that they showed in this
one is it's certainly not going to hurt them when
it comes to a playoff conversation. No, to go into
double overtime and lose to a team like Oregon, it
could well be the number one team in the country
with what we saw out of Dante more in the road,
I actually, in a very weird way, you wanted to

(11:01):
get over the hump, but the way that they fought
back I actually found pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Now, they had a lot working for them.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
They're playing at home at night in a white out, yeah, right,
and that's that's an inherent, built in advantage. But nonetheless,
it felt like they were dead and they came back
to life. So for that, I think they deserve a
lot of credit.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
It was also, Yes, it was also just the emotion
in the stadium, both on the field and in the crowd.
It wasn't just the frenzied atmosphere when Oregon was on
offense or the excitement when Penn State was coming back.
There were some calls, there were some non calls that.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yeah, so there was a very questionable call, a controversial
call in that fumble right that we of course did
not get a great look at. No, you were getting
text messages from Jeff Schwartz who said he was down.
I was getting text messages from friends who were watching
at home, unbiased narrator Jeff Schwartz, and on both sides, right,
friends of mine were saying they can't overturn that fumble. Obviously,

(11:57):
the people around us were, you know, they were feeling
like it was, you know, a BS call. You might expect,
but alas that went Oregon's way. Alas that was helpful.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
There was a blade of grass situation that no, Whittington's
knee was hitting a blade of grass. There were obviously
there were a couple of complaints about non holds. I
don't know if Oregon fans have complaints. This is not
something that I was able to watch on TV and
see like clear replays of We were in the stadium
and you know, the Penn State replay operator was trying

(12:30):
to sell a story to Penn State fans, which he
or she very well should.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
They kept They kept replaying it and then rewinding it
and replaying it.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yes, yeah, so yeah, there were there were calls that
seemed to raise the ero of a lot of people.
And I'm excited to watch this game from a TV perspective,
but uh man, the swings in this game were crazy.
And we had circled this game, as had a lot
of people before the season, like Oregon Go and cross
Country new Big ten team going to play against Penn State,

(12:59):
then it was gonna be white out, you know. And
you know, by the way, as good as this game was,
this is what Fox doesn't want you to see a
whiteout at night between two strong teams, right, so hopefully
it was a good watch for people on NBC.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Let me just say, yeah, I mean I've been to
a lot of Penn State night games. Yes, I've been
to you know, some that are better than others. The
experience of a full blown white out. The last one
that I was at, the last white out that I
was as, the same one that you were at. Yeah,
it was a Jimmy Closson game back in like two
thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So it's been a minute.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Obviously, we do the show time doesn't really allow us
to do these night games maybe the way that we
would like. It is truly a bucket list experience for
people who have never experienced it. Yeah, even if you're
not a Penn State fan, I give I just I
can't say enough great things about the experience of it,
getting to the seats, walking around the concourse.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
You have notes, operations notes. That was an absolute disaster.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
And I don't know how much of that is due
to ongoing stadium renovations, right, but all I know is
coming back from the bathroom, there was a woman to
my right having a panic attack, a kid to my
left who was about to puke up his guts. Yeah,
and everybody going nowhere for about forty five minutes for
like ten yards so at Kraft is watching. Maybe try
to do something about that after you fix the press box.
But alas that's a different conversation for a different day.

(14:21):
The stadium itself though, inside watching that all go down,
I mean it's very like I have this watch on.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
It goes off when it gets to like ninety decibels.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
It was buzzing the whole time, of course, I mean
it's it's a loud experience, but one of those true,
truly great like college football moments that you just can't
experience in most places.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I have a lot of thoughts, too many for the
night when there are so many different games to say,
it appears that it's blaw baty blah goosebumps, absolute goosebumps.
A perfect college football atmosphere, one of one, A plus
you pake, take your pick. The white out exceeded my
incredibly high expectationations. Penn State fans were to the man,

(15:03):
to the woman, to the kid whatever. Incredible college football
fans loud when they were supposed to be loud in
their seats as long as they weren't having panic attacks
or throwing up on the concourse. Like I don't have
a single note about the Penn State fans about the
white out experience, just that it like nearly brought tears
to my eyes, that it was like a semi religious

(15:25):
experience to go to this type of game. I will say,
you can kind of see the green under there. Dan
had a green T shirt and after that controversial call,
looked at me and said, get a little nippy in here.
I'm going to put on my Navy pole. Get a
little Nippi in here. Maybe I should.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
That was when it started getting a little bit testier
as you might expect, but now overwhelmingly I think I
think the fans were really good hosts, and you know,
I was glad to be there with you.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It was a cool experience. I was to see this game.
Nobody I'd rather go to a Penn State white out WAW.
And I got to say, this is not a victory lap.
This is not my intention at all here, But anybody
who has experienced something similar to what I'm about to
say will understand what I'm saying. There is nothing in
college football like a roaring crowd like the frenzied Penn

(16:15):
State white out crowd. The only thing that comes close
is when your team goes to that crowd and turns
it into a library and Oregon at the end of
that game, because it was such a sudden moment, and like,
I didn't cheer, I didn't go hooray, you be whatever.

(16:37):
I just noted that. Obviously Penn State fans weren't cheering
when the team was on offense, but to hear a play,
I think the announced crowd was like one hundred and
eleven thousand people pindrop deflation at that moment. And that's
the beauty of sports and the horror of sports all
in one.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
The only other time in my life I've experienced that
was the two in five Notre Dame Bush Push loss. Yeah,
and we had a much better dvantage point of what
went down tonight. But I recall very vividly everybody looking
around knowing what happened, but almost in disbelief.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
We got to go home.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Now, nobody could understand what happened and tell the story often.
But like my friend and I drove back to our hotel,
we sat at an Applebee's and ate boneless wings, and
we didn't speak to each other for like forty five minutes.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
And then you kissed.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
We weren't mad at each other, just didn't We didn't
know how to emote because of what we saw, and
this felt very similar. I was wondering on the way
up here if we would have some sort of instant
classic experience like that. I'm glad we did, obviously, I
wish the outcome a little bit different. What does this
mean now? As an organ fan? What does this mean now?
As we kind of put together this Forballer Top twelve

(17:53):
verballers dot com if you were interested in voting in
this poll, by the way, you know what, I'm just
going to open it up to everybody. Yeah, so if
you just go Overballers dot com you can sign up,
whether you're paid or free. Just this is a big
week of games. I want to get everybody's input. I
think it's fair going out there. Sign up now. The
link goes live at seven Tomorrow morning Eastern time. Vote

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in the poll before you know, midday Monday, and we'll
read it off on the next episode or on Tuesday episode,
I should say. But for the audience at home that
is trying to kind of make sense of this, and
we have a few other games that we can react
to the results without having watched them in great detail.
Where should Oregon fans where should non Oregon fans slash

(18:37):
college football fans put this? I have some thoughts, but
you're an Oregon guy, you should probably go first.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Oregon went into the toughest atmosphere on their schedule this year.
That is coupled with an incredible defense. A couple atmosphere
and defense together. There's nothing on their schedule. Washington is
a tough place to play. Washington does not have Penn
State's defense. That is not a controversial statement to make.
They won that game, and they are ahead of schedule

(19:03):
because this year's team didn't seem to be the kind
of team with the experience needed to go to Penn
State and win against this type of defense in this
type of atmosphere. So that puts Oregon ahead of this
schedule I thought they were on. So that means Oregon
like going undefeated this year seems reasonable to think about now,

(19:26):
whereas it didn't a couple weeks ago. As good as
they've looked or even in the preseason. So Oregon looks
like one of the best three teams in the country
right now, something like that. That's how I feel at
the moment, given what teams have or haven't been tested. Now,
certainly we're going to, you know, unpack a lot of
the games that happened among the teams in the top ten, twelve,

(19:47):
fifteen to twenty that could be potential playoff teams. And
I think Penn State's a really good team. I think
Oregon's an excellent team. Penn State has the potential to
be an excellent team. It's late September. You're not who
you are as a finished team late September. So Oregon
might go through growing pains, have some injury issues, knock
on wood. Penn State might have growing pains or injury
issues knock on wood. But it just appears that these

(20:10):
two teams have the potential to be excellent with a
larger if for Penn State. Where do you put where.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Do you put Oregon in your football or top twelve?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I have to watch the other games before I can
say with certainty, but you.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Got to move them up, right, You got to move
them up after going to Happy Valley winning at a
white out. I mean, I'm not saying they should be
number one, but I think it warrants consideration given the
fact that they came into this setting and I mean
it was a gritty they did. I'm not gonna say
they gave it away, but they did let Penn State
into it. You know, maybe maybe because Penn State started

(20:46):
calling different plays and executed better. I don't know, we
have to rewatch, but I think the takeaway for me
on the Oregon side, and I mentioned this to you
when we were up there, but it's definitely a recurring
theme throughout college football this year, where so many of
these quarterbacks and we could maybe talk about Ty Simpson
a little bit here, sure, but like some of these
quarterbacks that felt like a question mark coming into the season,

(21:06):
most of them are going into their big games now
completely unphased. Right, Dante Moore did not look phased.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Now the moment at all, not at all too big
for him, with the things he made, the high leverage
moments that he just seemed bigger than.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
I mean, you could make a case that Aler seemed
more phased than Dante Moore for a good chunk of
this game, and he was playing at home and the
crowd was at his side at least for most of
the game. But whether it's Dante Moore, whether it's Ty
Simpson who went to Georgia and one, whether it's any
number of new quarterbacks. I mean, I could throw CJ.

(21:42):
Carr out there, but CJ. Carr probably isn't, as you know,
notable in the national national stage at this juncture. Being
so they have two losses, but so many new quarterbacks
seem like they even if you go, you know, JK
as a cow like, some of these new guys seem
like they've been able to step in and just be
really affected and unfazed by the big. Bryce Underwood's another example.

(22:03):
These guys who just seem like they're.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Jada Mayov almost beat Illinois today.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
They're ready for it, right, So I think I was
damn impressed with Oregon coming in and went in this
football game. Again, we need to go back and kind
of watch the tape bute, and you know, to that end,
I was impressed by Penn State and their ability to
come back. So, yes, thirty to twenty four was your
final double overtime. Let us know down in the comments,

(22:28):
let us know in the chat right insoliverable at gmail
dot com. Your thoughts on this game. And how it
affects maybe where you're ranking these teams. It won't hurt
either when it comes to the playoffs. Clearly, I think
the committee will will respond well to a game like this.
It was on a razor's edge. Yeah, in the end,
it was on a razor's edge the way that Penn
State came back and made it a game.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
So also, I'm going to look directly at camera, Dan
Landing played Derre Hill as often as you would like to,
because he seems to be an excellent running back in
a way that could be supert for the Hills and.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Moore, two true freshmen who were having just an incredible
impact for the organ ducts.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So that's the game that we were at.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Bear in mind that as we go through some of
this other action, we did not get to watch any
of this stuff in quite the level of detail that
we would prefer. Correct, that doesn't mean we can't react
to it, because we are as plugged in as anybody's
going to be.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Tell me what you're excited to learn about these games?
This is your reaction to the result. What are you
excited to see when you look at the back and
forth of these games.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Well, I'm excited to look at the Bama Georgia game, YEP,
in particular because we were able to kind of get
some of the scores and get some of the feedback
from people on what they were seeing in the Bama
Georgia game, which ended up being close twenty four to
twenty one, but seems to be another situation in which
ty Simpson was dealing. Yes, and outside of that first

(23:58):
game that we saw Florida State, ty Simpson has been money.
He's been incredible, and so this was another opportunity for
him to I think, get some redemption after that opening loss. Yes,
so to go to Georgia and win against well, I
don't know if it's as good at Georgia defense as
we've ever seen. Probably not, probably, you know, a few
rungs down, but it's still a Georgia defense. And still

(24:20):
in Athens, Alabama was shut out by the way and
the second half of the second half. In the second half,
I think Kirby Smart is now one in seven against
Bama something like that, if I'm not mistaken. But Bama
never trailed in this game. Ty Simpson scored three touchdowns
to passing one rushing. They didn't turn the ball over

(24:40):
on the road, which is important. Georgia did fumble the
ball back, did give one back to Alabama in this
football game, but it was the passing game that was
the difference. That it was, Ty Simpson, it was Jeremy Bernard,
the way that they were.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
He's real good. By the way, Williams rightfully gets a
ton of attention. Jeremy Bernard is good. Transferred over from wat.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think what I'm most interested in seeing, though, is
a Georgia game plan, because the notes sheet that I
have that Jake kindly put together for us.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Thank you, Jake.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
If you're watching, his comment was that it didn't seem
my Georgia threw the ball nearly enough.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Interesting and because they ran well, it appears.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
It appears, and we know that that's sort of default
mode for Kirby Smart. But I'm curious to get a
better sense for the rhymes and rhythms of this game,
to understand why that happened, if if that was just
the flow of the game, or if that was a
more curious decision by you know, Georgia on the play
calling side. I got a squeaky chair here, Ty, It's okay,

(25:36):
it's okay, it's Okay, So that for me, I think
is going to be imperative to understand a little bit
more about and you know, obviously Alabama gets a big win.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Now.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
You know, people were very quick I I was kind
of one of them to write a long season to
write off Alabama after that lost to Florida State.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
We can talk about the Stake game, man, I don't
know we could talk about that.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
We did watch that one, yes, but you know, I'm
most curious, I think to get a better sense for
the flow of this game and how it impacts how
I feel about both of these teams now moving forward.
I think that for me is a big one. We
could talk about the USC Illinois game. Yeah, so Illinois
kicks the last second field goal, they end up winning

(26:21):
thirty four to thirty two. We were watching this one
as we were hopping between tailgates, correct, and it was
basically a shootout, right. We saw five hundred yards I
think from Illinois close to five hundred yards from the
USC side of things. If you look at the stat
sheet based on what we saw, it certainly appeared as

(26:43):
if both teams were doing a pretty good job of it.
But Luke Altmeyer was a little bit more efficient, Luke Altmeyer,
a little bit more pop in the passing game. USC
on the road, weird kickoff time, Yeah, we talked a.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Week after last week's weird kickoff time after one that
we saw a week ago.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, and so we were curious about this point spread, right,
And I think I made the comment that I would buy.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
The Tommy Trojan helmet.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I would wear the Trojan helmet if the US he
found a way to cover this point spread. There were
certainly moments in this game where you kind of wondered, like,
all right, US he could probably zoom out to the
lead and cover this points bread. So it was never,
at least up until the final gun, it didn't seem
like that was that far gone a possibility. But Illinois
to fight back after getting throttled a week ago against Indiana.

(27:32):
That's more resilience, yea is I think another thing more
to the point of you know, you lose. I don't
want to sit here and say that Illinois is a
playoff team. I don't think I feel like Illinois a
playoff team.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
But season, it is a long season.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
For in one a lot of stuff can break, and
I think this was a quality went at home against
a good USC team, maybe not as good on defense
as we thought a week didn't.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
We think it was a good win.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Butis to bounce back in the manner that they did.
I'm most I think to see how they went at
USC and to that point, what USC's defense looked like
against a better offense, because that's the thing we've been
touting the SC defense.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
The offense.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I think we expect we're going to have a pretty
good offense if it's a Lincoln Riley team, but defensively,
if there was a big step forward there, that would
be the talking point and that could be the thing
that catapults them forward. But agree, we didn't see that.
It doesn't mean it's not better. It just means we
didn't see it in this game.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
Right, Agree? Yeah, I mean, look, they didn't let Indiana
beat them twice, and it's a tough spot for USC.
But USC put themselves in position to win that game
from what I could tell, Yeah, apparently Gus Johnson had
like a crazed moment when took the lead with I
think a little under two minutes left. Excited to watch that,
of course, but good for the ALIONI that seems incredible

(28:56):
of them to be able to get down the field
and kick that game winning field goal. It appears it
was a great moment for Illinois.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I think the game that I think I am
most interested in watching a little bit more is probably
this lsu ole Miss game.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Give this a quick reset for people just tuning it out.
We didn't watch a lot of games today because we
were at the Penn State Oregon game, and so our
schedule of giving more detailed recaps is going to be
a little bit different this week. Yeah, we have a
thank you for watching. We haven't had a lot of
thoughts about the Oregon Penn State game and will have

(29:34):
many more thoughts about the rest of these games.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Lsu ole Miss is the one that I'm most curious
to go back and learn a little bit more about.
So ole Miss did get the win twenty five or
twenty four, excuse me to nineteen and one by five.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
It was a trend Ad Chambliss game. Again.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
He was outstanding, just seems as he has been. Yeah,
three hundred and fourteen yards in a touchdown. It was
this third straight three hundred yard game. Three hundred and
eight yards from scrimmage. I don't know how you can
bench him at this point, like you have to ride
the hot hand. Even if Austin Simmons is back and healthy.

(30:11):
Ole Miss now goes from a very interesting situation of
losing Jackson Dart. Obviously he's a first round draft pick,
Go Giants. Now suddenly in the offseason we're talking about
Austin Simmons. He's young, He's got a lot of potential,
kind of like all sec potential. By the time he
kind of matures and becomes his finished product, I think

(30:32):
is still a fair assessment for him, for sure. But
Trindidad Chambliss a guy who if you kind of read
I was talking to you about this earlier, if you
read what people have said about him, Temple thought they
were going to get Trindidad Chambliss from fair Estate, but
ole Miss swooped in kind of in the eleventh hour.
They were able to get him into Oxford, and now
ole Miss is in I think the enviable position of

(30:53):
having a real quarterback depth and a quarterback controversy in
the best possible way, because you got to ride the
hot hand right now. LSU's defense, I'm probably most interested
in seeing what they looked like against Trinidad Chambliss, because
that has been the side much to the point of,
like USC, we're talking about defense, We've been talking a
lot about LSU and their defense lately. They still only
gave up twenty four points, so I want to see

(31:16):
what that looks.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Like my hunches.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
They still played pretty well, they just couldn't stop him, right,
and so how that kind of projects now moving forward
on the LSU side is interesting. Old Miss is a
really interesting case now, you know, because Old Miss is
one of these teams that before the season with a
lot new schedule.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Obviously it's it's.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Like not as tough as some of their peers correct, right,
and to kind of now pick up this win to
do what they've been doing this season, it does raise
some questions about how high is too high for Ole
Miss at this point now that we're through September, right,
so that for me is going to be really really
fascinating to go back and watch.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yes, so no, Caden Durham for LSU were talking about that.
He was I think after last week questionable with an
ankle injury, but it seemed to be uh yeah, that
the Trinidad Chamblers show both on the ground and through
the air, and this puts ole Miss. They were top
fifteen heading into this game. Gives them a new interesting

(32:19):
signature win. I think LSU is probably going to be
searching a little bit more with offensive stuff just because
it was another week where it doesn't appear they could
move the ball super consistently any means, any direction. So
uh yeah, ole Miss is you know, Trinidad Chandler's going
to go to Temple and now is all of a

(32:39):
sudden single handedly not single handedly, but becoming a major
reason that the SEC race could be affected by Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's wild, man, and I'm real curious to see, Like,
are we going to start hearing people talk about Trinidad
Chamblin as a Heisman contender? Yeah, seriously, because it's wide open.
That's reuly wide open.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
A productive quarterback on a top ten, twelve fifteen team.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Sure, I mean truly, we can be talking about Dante
more in Trinidad Chambliss and I don't even think that
would be out of out of character I mean at
this point.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
So that's something that we.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Got to go back and dissect in a little bit
more detail. I also think, kind of on the flip
side of quarterbacks that are stepping up, there are situations,
particularly in the SEC where we're going to see and
hear a lot more about teams that have not stepped up.
Arkansas got throttled by Notre Dame. I did not see
that one coming. I didn't and people warned us in Fayetteville,

(33:39):
in Faithville, people warned us, Yeah, no, matter what you
think you know about Arkansas and their offense, the vibes
are really bad right.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Now, especially at like an eleven am kick.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yeah, eleven AMK And I said, I wrote back to
some people and I was like, Yo, Notre Dame's defense
is a real problem right now, and great there. Arkansas
has been playing pretty good offense. I don't think they're
going to stop them. And the overwhelming response was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Right,
you don't know the vibe.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's cute that you think that it's cute that you
don't know the vibes right now in Fadeville.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Turns out they were right. I mean, by the time
you listen to this, who knows what Sam Pittman's job situation.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
There's probably going to be a lingering question about Hugh Freese. Sure,
Hugh Freeze lost to Texas A and M in a
bit of a rock fight sixteen to ten. But Jackson
Arnold did not look good from what I understand.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
One touchdown I don't know. I don't even know if
it was on offense. We'll say they could.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Not run the ball at all, right, which they actually
have been okay at doing. But when you can't run
the ball, that puts more pressure on Jackson Arnold. And
if Jackson Arnold isn't the truth, then suddenly your offense
is in a world of court.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
They only score ten points.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Now, Adam has got a good defense, and I think
we saw that on display.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Maybe they do. They did get lit up by Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
No Dame could have a good offense necessarily. We're sort
of talking in circles here, But I like defense. I
like it before the start of the year. I still
like it now. Auburn's got a ton of talent, yep,
so you would expect that they would get a little
bit more out of that. They win by six, I
guess they don't cover the six and a half point
spread that we talked about all week. But there's going
to be a conversation I think about Hugh Freeze before long,

(35:17):
because this is a team that's built to win. They
went out, they tried their best to bring in the
best possible talent via the transfer portal, and to a
large extent, they did that. But if they're not getting
those w's, that's that's problem. So I got to go
back and see what happened here.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
His line does not seem like it was a fun
day to be an Auburn fan. I think he averaged
three in change yards per.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Attempt Tennessee Mississippi State.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yes, forty one thirty four. What do you hope exists
on the tape when you watch it? I just want
to watch Mississippi State. Yeah, this is tight. Yeah. I
did not see this one coming either.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Okay, and Mississippi State is very quietly one of the
better stories in college football right now.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Definitely.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
They had an over under three and a half before
the start of the year, and they have fought tooth
and nail pretty much every week, whistle to whistle. They
have been a really hard out sure, and they look
like night and day compared to where they were a
year ago. Yeah, they weren't out until tonight, So I mean,
I'm pretty I'm pretty thrilled to go back and watch
the tape on this one, just because it doesn't seem

(36:24):
like it was just kind of a fluky situation from Afar.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Sure from what.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I've been able to glean in like a half hour
walk after the game, but it seems like their defense
actually played like relatively well, despite the fact that they
gave up, you know, points against Tennessee forty one points.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
But I see Joey Aguilar had a couple of picks.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, But I mean it seems like the defense, which
was a huge achilles heel for Mississippi State last year,
it seems like that defense stepped up in a big way. Yes,
So I'm curious to see what definitely find out a
little bit more out of there. The other games here
that I'm down on my note sheet are two in
the Big ten. Yeah, Ohio State, Washington, Indiana, Iowa.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I know it was a sloppy start for both of
these teams, Washington and Ohio State, and they were eventually
able to get going. I don't believe the six from
Washington came from a touchdown. I think it was two
field goals. So Washington was fully held out of the
end zone in their own stadium against America's number one
team at the moment. That's just what happened. I don't know,

(37:28):
so we'll see what happened there. I'm curiously how Julian's
saying hand on. I think it was very accurate, it
seems how he handled that sort of the energy in
that stadium, because that can be a very tough place
to play. What was the other game you said, you said, Washington, Washington.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And the Indiana Iowa game, Yes, which was very close
for a while, and Indiana is in this weird kind
of let down look ahead ish situation, right, and yeah,
the fact that they had their hands full with the
Iowa defense, I guess, and they were down fairly late
in this game is something that we definitely need to

(38:03):
go back and take a look at.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I think it's probably more of a letdown effect, but
I also think it's a little bit more meaningful on
the Indiana side, because that's one of the things we
like about Indiana.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Right.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
We don't usually, well, they shouldn't say we don't usually.
We haven't over the last year and a half seen
much of that from Indiana, right, because they seem to
have that killer instinct every time they go out there.
The fact that they had this little bit of a
hiccup now on the road against Iowa. Maybe shouldn't surprise us.
It is on the road, It isn't the Big ten.
It is a good defense, but I just thought for

(38:33):
sure they would come out guns of blaze. And I
don't think Fernana Mendoza looked all that great for a
chunk of this game. Okay, So like we need to
go back and get a better understanding for where Indiana
is at before they start playing it.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
It's also just tough if Iowa's defense is at least
pretty good, if not good, you're still talking about going
to Iowa City and beating a team with a good defense,
as that team is an underdog, which the reality of
the situation, So we shouldn't be terribly surprised that Iowa
turned a game at home defensively. That seems like the
most normal thing that could have happened.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Are there any other games on your radar or any
other things on your radar that you're interested in knowing
a little bit more about here? Just based on again,
these are snap judgments, not having watched many of these games.
By the way, if you are watching this live, I
would encourage you to drop something in the chat. Let
us know, maybe the most impressive thing you saw today,

(39:25):
maybe the most interesting thing that we need to go
back and watch throughout the course of the day. Yep,
a snap judgment, perhaps of your own. We'll get to
those a little bit later on the show. I'm really
curious to hear what people had to say.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, I haven't watched much of I watched the first
half of ASU TCU so Florida State, Virginia. We did
watch Virginia. We did watch what the hell man? Some
early Florida State mistakes, the tepovers and Virginia taking advantage.
Florida State coming back, Thomas Castellano's looking good and then

(39:58):
not so good and then go in overtime? Does Chandler
Morris have a hand injury? Doing everything himself? All of
the good stuff and bad stuff kind of came down
to Chandler Morris making plays and of course getting the
game sealing interception in double overtime? Was it? And the
hoo fans rushing the field that by the way, Yeah,

(40:19):
we hope everybody is safe. Yeah, okay, we don't want
toybody to get a bonker scene.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
But I can't ever remember a field rush that happened
like two milliseconds after the game ended. They were in
the end zone, they were still in the end zone,
and suddenly the entire stadium had emptied out onto the field.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
So I hope everybody's all right.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I did not have a chance to read and look
and see if anything came of that, so I reserved
the right to revise these statements at some point, but alas,
at least the visual of that was pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I I didn't have the courage to take Virginia outright,
I believe. But I did take Virginia there because it
was a good thing to me into it, and I
talked you into it. But I don't think we had
either one of us had the courage to take Virginia.
And Virginia pulls it out the who's doing it? And
I don't know. It was just Virginia has been playing well,
especially on offense, and Miami is on deck for Florida

(41:10):
State and it's short week going on the road. It's
just a tough spot. I don't think terribly less of
Florida State, to be honest, I want to watch this
game again because I still think they can win a
ton of games. And be a playoff ish team. So
good for Virginia. It's been a slog for Tony Elliott.
There some absolute like obsolute, some absolute lows from like

(41:33):
a pure life perspective with the tragedies at Virginia, and
then some highs early this season where it looks like
they were turning things around, where they're definitely turning things
around via the portal, via some new energy in Charlottesville
and so a really good story in the ACC and
nationally definitely fits Virginia's situation.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So Virginia in conference is undefeated. They did lose to
NC State, but because of scheduling Quirks, that was not
a conference game. Ratuno in conference right now, they're tied
at the top of the conference with Georgia Tech whether
hands full with Wake and also Duke had to come
back and beat Wake, had to come back and beat
Wake for sure, but one of the more interesting I
think quirks now moving forward for Virginia, this is their

(42:16):
remaining schedule.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
Okay, I'm ready at.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Louisville, tough home against Wazoo, winnable at North Carolina, winnable
at Cal.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Tough because it's your going to the hinterlands of the
Bay Area, across the country, but not a bulletproof team
home against Wake Forest. I would say tough, but not impossible.
It's a tough out.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
There's gonna be a tough out on the road to Duke,
that'll be a tougher game.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Duke had a nice story today. Obviously, no Steve Vangeli
for Syracuse, but Duke blew out Syracuse on the road.
So that hopefully is a turnaround moment for the Blue Devil.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
And then they close out the Commonwealth Cup at home
this year against Virginia Tech.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Winnable. Everything's on the table for Virginia So.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
It's kind of that we're talking about the who's but
more power to them. Yeah, you know that was a
pretty big win at home Friday night lights in overtime
against Florida State.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah. By the way, Virginia Tech also just beat NC State,
who beat Virginia Right, good for Virginia Tech. Ucla put
up a fight against Northwestern If I'm reading this all
correct's right, that's right. After falling down fourteen seventeen nothing
whatever it was. So yeah, you can't be sure of
anything in this moment other than Dan Landing should be

(43:29):
running deer Hill Moore. That's it all right. So here's
the deal.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
You are watching live, keep the comments coming. We're gonna
pop some of those up on the screen. We also
got some Stanford came back beat San Jose State cool.
We also got some thanks that we got to give
out to the community, some of the folks that helped
make this weekend possible for Dan and I. Yes, we
can't let that go a minute longer, but big thanks
to Shay who is back now in the saddle back

(43:57):
from his trip to park It's unknown, and he cut
together one of the best reverb segments I've heard in front.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Oh it's really good.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
So, without further ado, profs to sche for doing this
for us, here are your week five reverbs.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Have listen, the game of the weekend is not Bama
Georgia like we all thought.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
It happened early on Friday night. And let me tell
you something. Plus six and a half, y'all down of
the line.

Speaker 6 (44:26):
Let's go Whaho's whoa baby?

Speaker 3 (44:30):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (44:31):
It's Willom, Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
This is Andrew from New Jersey.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
This is Danson Sokow. Are we sure?

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Alice scrinched up? Fired two years ago.

Speaker 4 (44:39):
Because that defense looked soft this morning. Lincoln Riley is
the biggest fraud since the US Ryder Cup team.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, Notre Dame's defense is really bad, but you know
who's worse?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Ark and Stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Hope you brought Amazon boxes to work today, Sam, you
might need them.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Go Irish dan Ty Arkansas outr outright.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Boat Race.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Took my seven year old to this first college football
game today for Notre Dame at Arkansas. He thought it
was a little bit as loud at first, but I said,
don't worry, it's gonna be quieter in the second half.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Guys to see from Atlanta, Georgia can calling about five
Windiana small cook, you got them?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Coach tig wins again.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
What was watching the Louisville game like like having the
worst brain freeze ever?

Speaker 6 (45:24):
All of a sudden, it's.

Speaker 7 (45:25):
Like that, Oh, it's great, we just went Most goals
in the higher head coach are usually looking for somebody
who's gonna win a new way, not awake for it.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
We're gonna find a coach can lose a new way.
He freezeems about the kind.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Of guy who had asked chat GPT if.

Speaker 6 (45:42):
I was fifteen on starty and fourth down is a
good or not.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Somehow the Aggies won and I did not enjoy a
single second of that game.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I can't imagine what it would be like to be
an auberapants.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
The bear does not quit, the bear's not done, and
the bear these Boston College but.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
Not apparently going to need to say anyway, Roll of
you bear.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
I'm calling in to let you know in September that
Central Michigan is running a triple option and has three
hundred yards rushing today, so that when you see it
in November on Midweek in Action, you go, oh, somebody
cool told me about this.

Speaker 4 (46:13):
Bekay lost another big game. You suck Colorado State Pizza.
We are flat, we are cooked, we are getting sliced apart.

Speaker 5 (46:24):
I don't know what's going on. Dodds.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Hey, it's coal from Tuscaloosa.

Speaker 6 (46:27):
And I regret to inform you and the rest of
the country that is time to put some respect on
ty Simpson's name.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Rolltid First and foremost, I would like to thank the
Penn State groundskeeper for.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Keeping the grass long enough for us to stave that fumble.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
I am filled with the mostes go up.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
For Penn Stater a here, calling from the moral victory department.
I guess this time we made it till the second
ot before the latest drew Allers, Gay Lindy interceptions drop.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
It is time to talk to your kids. Out of
five to no Memphis at time of recording, we don't
know where college game day might go in week six?
Might I suggest one of only two matchups of undefeated
Division one teams and go to Yale at Lehigh. Fire
up that Drummond.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
Bye, Shay, this is an emergency and I need you
to good a hold of Tie and tell him that
he has got to get back on the pit train.
Thank you for doing what you did. I figured obviously
you've got a hold of Tie. Jay, you are the
real hero. I'm going to put out a dood alert

(47:36):
nomination for Shay.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
While we're waiting for some more comments to roll in here.
I got a bunch of thanks that I'm going to
need to give out. Please do all right, First and foremost, Avery,
who has graciously donated his basement to this cause this evening,
we would not be able to do this. I think
it looks awesome. I think like even as is.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
We've done way worse. We've done way worse.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
This looks better than every other college football podcast in
like on the Road, on the Road, Yeah, on the
Road for sure. Take that everyone, so big, thanks to
Avery for making all this possible. I want to give
a big shout out to Walt and Helen Nur who
were our heroes in helping us get our tickets get

(48:24):
into the stadium. That was a bit of an ordeal
in the run up to this one. So without them
we wouldn't not be here, We would not have seen
the game. They made all that possible. I also want
to give a big shout out to everybody who invited
us to their tailgates.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
We had.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I have a huge list here Dan of everybody who
invited us. If you sent in an email, I did
jot it down. We could not make it to all
of them.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
We just ran out of time and like Wi Fi
and five G access to like fill everything. Yeah, with
one hundred and eleven thousand people, it was. It was
a little bit sketchy that once everybody started rolling into town.
But shout out to Dave and Ryan and Carl Zach, Kevin, Jake,
Jeremy Benton, Michael King, John, Charlie, Ryan, Ben Tyler, Andrew, Mike, Dave,

(49:20):
and Nate, And there are probably about five or six
others that I can call out that wanted to meet up.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Maybe it didn't have a tailgate or just in town
for the game. If you sent in something, you will
be hearing from us, I promise you. Yeah, because we
got we got some goodies we're gonna send you. But
thank you to everybody who kind of made all this possible.
It was a ton of fun this weekend, to say
the least.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I'm absolutely thrilled that we got a chance to do this.
All right, So we got some comments that have rolled
in here.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Dan, okay, hit me while you search for the comments,
shout out San Diego State for a baseball score win
of six to three over NIU sixty three to three.
Win however, you can win, win your clunkers, A lot
of teams did. Winning six to three should make you
feel zero shame because you gotta win. Continue. Psych says that.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Trinidad Chambliss might be the best quarterback in the SEC.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
WHOA, I don't know, man, there's some good ones. Leonora
Sellers plays in the SEC, Diego Pavia plays in the SEC.
Whatever Ty Simpson is plays in the SEC. There's a
Marcel Reid plays in the SEC. But I can't tell
you with authority that Trinidad Champlains isn't the best. I
gotta watch it. It's time to get al Or out

(50:40):
of there. I think that's just nature is going to
run its course. This is his final season, no matter
what he tries to do.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
We did have a brief conversation at some point in
this game, and we wondered, like, is there an Ethan
Gronkemeyer conversation the second half?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Like he'll like if you'll get like Will Howard did? Yeah, Like,
thank you for your service. We're going in a new direction. Right,
that's a good question. I mean, I think objectively, Drew
Aller is fine. I'm just not a believer in Drew
Aller as somebody who has arrived as a top flight quarterback.

(51:23):
And same.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I think the interesting part of this, though, is because
of bull Probulah's success. We think at Missoo so far
he's been good. So far, sure, but because of Prebulah's success. Now,
and I was getting messages from people about this during
the game, right, you know, a separate friend group talking

(51:45):
about this. There are some folks who believe that the
offense we are seeing Penn State run is an offense that.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Would have been better suited for Prebula.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Sure, because I understand that a lot of this weird
wildcat stuff. I mean, we saw them have the most
success later in this game on the ground, right right,
once they kind of realized that they couldn't do whatever
they were trying to do through the air it wasn't working,
they they were able to kind of get you know,
whether it was al or on the move on a
quarterback draw, whether it was that sort of misdirection play
that they did down at the goal line. You know,

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they ultimately nice made some nice throws, but it was
I think what they did in the ground that kind
of got them back in this thing. Yes, you can
make a pretty strong case that that's more of Pabula's
strong suit and that maybe he would be better a
better fit, sure, you know.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
But you can also make a case that Drew Aller
could light up the Kansas defense and the UMass defense
in an identical way that but Bo Prabula has done
at Miszoo.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
So we'll see, Okay, some other ones here that what
do we have that have come through? Let me, let
me pull these up in. Robert gives us a super
chat saying, Illinois, are they back?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Bro, they just got here. I don't know. I guess.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I don't know if Illinois is back back, but I
guess after getting beaten by fifty three, let's let's just
try to feel.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
What an Illinois fan would feel here. Well, Illinois back. Yeah,
they just beat a ranked team. It's been a witch
over the last two weeks. Yes, right to lose by
fifty three.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
On one hand, and then to go out and a
knock off USC who's definitely more of a traditional blue
blood and the team that we started to get excited about.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
But still has a lot to prove. There's a lot
to prove in their own right.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
But yes, in that sense, I would say they're back.
In that sense, I would say that they're back now.
Maybe circumstances kind of aided them a little bit, but
still you got to you got to win the game.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
And I was.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Pretty impressed to see that they ended up emerging from
that one.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Okay, I would say eighthan Caliacmanus is back in the
losing effort.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Sure, Yeah, apparently my soundboard's not working, so it's.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
And I just figured out why. So that's good. I
said it. I said, I turn it up on your iPad. Yeah,
that's my well.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Game Day going Ahead announced that they'll be in Eugene
in a couple of weeks for Indiana.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I don't know what other games are happening that week,
but it certainly seems attractive. Eugene shows out for game day, Yeah,
they do.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
They do show up for game day. Nick says, is
it time to talk to my kids about BYUS? BYU
still losing the Colorado.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
I think they're up at the moment. BYU is up
twenty four to twenty one as we are recording this, okay,
streaming this live.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I mean, look, it's it's pretty well documented at this
point that BYUS that team that I pretty consistently undervalue. Yeah,
and I don't know why. I have nothing against BYU, but.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Their quarterback's name is literally bear. His name is a bear.
He's a literal bear. Yeah, he is a literal bear,
a literal bear.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
So there's about eight minutes that they're so left in
the fourth quarter right now a time of.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Reporting rebup the rankings, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Twenty four to twenty BYU. Yeah, if you want to
talk to him. You can, you can absolutely talk to
your kids about BYU next But oh it's the same
week in as red River that Oregon.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, Indiana game. Yeah, absolutely tough to justify.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, it is. It is tough to justify. Nick says
alert is back. Okay, so we've got kind of competing
sides of this. Thank you for pitching into the effort, Nick,
We appreciate the super chat. Great Indiana is one hundred
percent legit. So Indiana came out of nowhere last year.
HM makes the playoffs this year, throttle Illinois on the road.

(55:31):
A week later, they go to Iowa. They have a
little bit of trouble, Maybe don't show the same amount
of killer instinct. But I think it's hard to argue
at this point that Indiana isn't going to be part
of this conversation second half the season at worst, right
because based on what we're seeing, what they've done on offense,
what they've done of defense, seems to me like they're better. Yeah,

(55:54):
it seems to be like it's a better version.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Of what we saw a year ago. Maybe seems at
this point, Yeah, it's seems at this point, right, they
were good enough to blow you can say.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
This about everything we don't know. Of course, we don't
know it's peak five, but based on what we know
so far, it seems to me that they're a better
version of what we've seen before, and that's pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Well, if Fernando Mendoza is healthy, then he is a
better version of Curtis Ark, because Curtis Ark just wasn't
healthy last year. I think Fernando Mendez's ceiling is higher, yes,
so that that just automatically means that Indiana is likely
going to be better with a better quarterback. Here's one.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Louisville pulled out a wacky game against Pitt or the
ACA contenders. I think the ACC is wide open. I
think I think it's Miami up here, and I think
everybody else is beatable. I think we saw that with
Florida State going down.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
I know that with Georgia Tech almost going down.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
So that with Georgia Tech almost going down, I think
there is a lot of variability below that top team,
and I honestly don't know what to expect. So I
would want I would not want to write off Louisville.
Louisville went on the road, Louisville got a tough win,
and it was Miller Moss getting a close win in

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crunch time for a different team.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Not USC.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
If it would have been USC, maybe it would have
gone a different direction.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
But and by the way, your team that's up here
in Miami is going to Tallahassee to play a night
game next week.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, crazy, all right, last one here, Dan, Please? What
stimulants is Dan Lanning consuming? Excuse me, don't.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Die, I'm I'm the stimulants. I'm consuming, Dan Rubinstein, not
Dan Lanning is floonaise? Is that that stimulates thinning out
of whatever's going on in my passageways. Dan Lanning is
just high on football electricity and maybe smelling salts and
be twelve ingestions at opportune moments. I don't know. I

(57:47):
haven't watched his real I saw that he hugged Dante
More after the game. It was very emotional. But I
haven't seen any press conferences or any clips. I'm sure
there's they're referring to. This person is referring to a
clip of Dan Lanning losing his mind, which.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Tracks he wears it all on his sleep. It's great,
it does. Yeah, I mean he's a psycho. Yeah, I
think you have to be a psycho in this day
and age should be pretty good college football, so maybe
it definitely fits that bill.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Thank you everybody who has joined us here to watch this.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
So Dan and I are gonna put together a plan
to figure out the best way to cover the games
that we did not have a chance to watch throughout
the course.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
We need to figure out a plan to get me
back to the suburbs of Chicago. I have a flight
in like eleven hours. We're working a lot of this
through on the flag. We're a solid three and a
half hours away from the airport I need to get to.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
We're working our way through this. It's step by step,
so give us a little bit of grace as we
feel our way through this.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
We didn't eat dinner. I'm now just realizing and it's
one twelve am on time. All right.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Well, on that note, thank you everybody who tuned in. Yes,
if you want to hear the version of the reverbs
that Shay so graciously put to you wearing pants, Sorry
he is I can't confirm you. Yeah, please do listen
to the audio version. You guys at an awesome job
calling in leaving us your thoughts.

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Speaker 2 (59:28):
So for that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,
for myself, Ty Hildebrand, thanks for hanging with us here.
A bit of a different show, a bit of a
different look, bit of a different feel, but always good
to be with you out there in the verballerhood. We
will talk to you all very soon. Stay tuned to
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to come on that front, but in the meantime, thank
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