WEEK 6 REACTION SHOW: Penn State Stunned by UCLA, Florida Shocks Texas & Miami's Statement Win

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
be happy. You want to be happy for day Edith State?

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Whoo whoo? And Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein. Yes, we
called it so your oats Saturday. It did not look
as crazy in week six it did in week five.
We did not have as many obvious bangers on the slate.

(00:36):
It looked like, you know, a quieter week. Sure, certainly
it's always the quiet ones, isn't it, Dan, I.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Guess as a week it was a snake in the
toilet Saturday. It was what it was.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
It's always the quiet ones. Just when we think we've
got it all figured out, that's when the chaos ensues.
In week five, yeah, we had the bangers, but in
week six we had three top fifteen teams lose to
unranked opponents. Throughout the course of this episode, we're gonna

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do our part to go through all of that and
much much more. We also have a healthy batch of
reverbs that we're gonna dive into here. Towards the end
of the show, We're gonna take some questions from people
who are watching live who have straight up to watch
us live on YouTube. So if you've gotten any of those,
maul them over by the time we get to the
end of the show, we'll put some of those up

(01:30):
on the screen. Of course, we had a bunch of
dood alerts come in as per usual here on the
show and as a special treat just to get everybody
fighting a little bit more. I am going to reveal
my Top twelve ballot towards the end of Wow. Dan
Rubinstein here, lockdown, hit subscribe. We've got a lot to discuss,
my friend, welcome back to the show. How you doing tonight?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
You're gonna vote on a personal top twelve with Cal and.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Duke still going that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
You're not gonna let Tron Grizzel affect your top twelve.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Unfortunately, not for as much as I like Cal and JKS. No,
Tron Grizel will not.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
I think he just he just rolled his ankle. By
the way, JKS, he seems to be okay, beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Well, look, there is a lot to discuss here on
this episode. This, as you know, is kind of our
reaction stream. Welcome to all who are tuning in live
or to those of you who are listening after the fact.
Last week we did this live from a basement in
State College. Now we're at our normal basements home basement,

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y com basement in Eastern PA, and of course out
in Chicago, Illinois. Dan, where do you want to start today?
Where do we lead this thing off?

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Well? I want to start with my sympathies for those
of us who are for those of you who are
only listening to the show and not viewing it as
Tie is in his premium Lee Trevino, Look tonight, I
am with his hat and his crew neck sweatshirt and
his eyebrows. There's nothing better than this. Where do we
want to start? Let's start with ah Man, what was
the game that entertained me the most? Maybe Florida Texas,

(03:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I think we need to start with the Penn State game.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
Sure, I mean I was entertained by Florida State Miami.
But okay, let's start Penn State at UCLA.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Look, the big story of the day was a Penn
State UCLA game. It was the biggest upset we've seen
so far this year. It could end up being the
biggest upset for the entirety of the twenty twenty five
college football season. It comes on the heels of the
game that we were at, the white out game that
went to overtime. Your Oregon Ducts edged out Penn State

(03:32):
in ot incredible environment. We did the show. You know,
we were all juiced up after that one. So sure
as you might expect, right traveling cross country if you're
Penn State a week after taking Oregon to the wire,
going to overtime, there were expectations here. There was a
large line. It was like twenty four points. It might
have been bigger. I didn't even see what it closed at.

(03:53):
But the expectation was it was a reeling UCLA team
that's already fired its coach. It's a state team that
came up a bit short. Maybe there'll be a bit
of a hangover effect traveling cross country playing against a
team like UCLA. But it didn't look as if there
was gonna be a whole lot of resistance there. Dan.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, and the one thing Penn State didn't factor into
its plans.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Jerry Neuheisel play Collar and his wonderful moufossa maine of
blonde hair, the best hair of the Big ten. Yeah,
where do we start here? I mean, loo, okay, Ucla
was good. Let's start there, Let's credit Ucla.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah, of course, the season's.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Already a wash for UCLA. They are playing in an
empty stadium for an interim coach. I saw some tweets
out there, people on the Penn State side joking that
Penn State's coaches were out coached by a team that
fired their coaches. Yeah, which is kind of funny, if
not sad. These guys could have fully given up. They didn't.
They came to play shit out out again. Jerry Neuheisel,

(05:02):
he should get the nil deal with neutrofol That's a
beautiful head of hair he's got. And he called a
great game. He had Penn State on skates. They scored
forty two points, crediting.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
That'd be interim play caller and offensive coordinator Jerry new
Heiseel with Tino Sensei and the team breaking up a
few days ago. So an intermoc thrust into the responsibilities
of play calling, like ninety.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Six hours ago or something.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
So Ucla in front of ninety six hundred people, forty
four hundred people, I mean there was a lot of
you look at the Rose Bowl and a lot of
signage that was blocking a lot of the seats sponsors
were bought in to, making the Rose Bowl look a
little bit less empty. I guess Penn State's not that good.

(05:48):
I'm speaking of the present tense. It doesn't mean that
they can't have a really good season today. Right now,
they are not a good team. They had opportunities last week.
That's a very good Oregon team. This is a UCLA
team who lost to New Mexico and got their coach fired.
They've since had subsequent firings on the interim staff. Tim Skipper,
who I want to say was the interim coach at
Fresno last season. Ye he was named the interim coach

(06:11):
at UCLA. Nico Yamaliava looked like a blue chip quarterback.
Penn State's defense a beat up defense. No Tony Rojas,
I believe starting linebacker all conference caliber linebacker in this game,
and Nico looked great. The defense kind of knew what
Penn State was doing on offense for the first half,

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like all of the time, and there was a certain
amount of confidence, especially on the ground for UCLA, and
Nico did make plays through the air. There's a certain
amount of confidence. I'm gonna run straight at this team.
I'm going to run straight at this team. This play
has broken down Iclan and I don't feel like these
arm tackles are gonna work, and they didn't. And so
I know you have thoughts about the Penn State side

(06:53):
of this. UCLA look like a scrappy team with nothing
to lose, because that's exactly who they are. They got
Penn State in an extraordinary spot, traveling across the country
after a big emotional loss. These are games that you
and I love to spotlight as a bad situation. But
UCLA has been a bad team in program, so it's

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kind of less impactful to spotlight UCLA in this spot.
But man, did they come to play in all phases,
whereas Penn State kind of felt like they could show
up and win this game. Thirty one seventeen, thirty one fourteen,
Not so fast now.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I mean, look for all the talk on the Penn
State side about culture and you know, the one to
zero mentality that were in pins around one to oh right. Sure,
for all of the talk and all of the work
that they have done to try and cement this program
as an elite caliber program, certainly they've done it. On

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the recruiting trail. The defense never got off the plane today.
It did not get off the plane. And I understand
there are some injuries, but still that's no excuse. The
play calling on both sides was mind boggling. Dan, you
want to.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Talk about both sides of the ball for Penn State.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, you want to talk about the predictability of the
offense in the first half. I mean, this offense has
been predictable going back a year now. Okay, so this
isn't anything new. But UCLA, just like trained in on it,
was able to stop it. They were basically held in
check for the entire first half defensively. How many times
were they going to let Nico scramble before they spied him?

(08:36):
How many times he was like Mike Vick out there?
They couldn't stop him, and they committed no resources to
trying to do so. Talk about driving you crazy watching
at home.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
And then on offense, they were down thirteen going into
the fourth quarter and still, for whatever reason, trying to
establish the run with Nick's Singleton, who was not nearly
as good as k Tron Allen. In this game, it
looked like a game plan exactly the way you described
it where they showed up and they expected that they

(09:11):
would win because they were supposed to be better, and
they didn't. They lost forty two to thirty seven. And
now the season goes up and smoked to some extent,
there are a whole hosts of questions. We've had a
bunch emailed into us already, but that's the crux of it, Dan,
this was a poorly coached team today. It was a
team that showed up with a hangover. And it just

(09:32):
goes to show even on a day where you're going
up against a team like UCLA where nobody is in
the stands and they've seemingly got nothing to play for,
this is still a Big ten opponent. This is still
a team with talent, not nearly as much talent, but
on any given day, on any given day, if you
do not bring your a game, this is what can happen.

(09:53):
And Penn State learned the lesson the hard way, and
I am angry about it. I am frustrated with it.
I have many additional thoughts on the coaching staff and
the direction of the program and all of that, but
at its core, Ucla came to play and Penn State
did not and I credit the Bruins for getting the dub.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Well, they're only paying Jim Knowles like eighty five grand
this year, right for a result like this. Honestly, my
take here is I was almost surprised you wanted to
start with this game. I obviously know that you have
an interest in Penn State and you are a Penn
State fan, and you have a lot of emotions tied
to this team and the expectations around this year. But
the way they played and the way that the offense

(10:34):
didn't play last week and obviously came back, they almost
don't deserve that much of our time and the show's time.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Well they do because this was and it continues a
trend that I think we're going to get into now
as we talk about Texas losing, I mean, as we
have talked about with Clemson losing. I mean, there were
a grouping of teams and everybody's top whatever, top ten
at a minimum that so suddenly are not nearly as

(11:01):
good as expected for one reason or another. And Penn
State this week just happened to be I think the
target of that, and it's going to be the target
of much ire for sure in the Penn State community.
The thing that people have been sending it already is
questions about James Franklin. Sure, and this is where it
gets interesting. So for those playing along at home, James

(11:22):
Franklin's buyout is fifty million dollars, give or take. It's
kind of hard to justify spending that much in dead
money to get rid of a guy who consistently wins
nine or ten games every year. But that said, I
don't know how you come back from this, Like, we're
so far beyond Einstein's definition of insanity with Franklin in

(11:45):
big games. It's not a talent thing. Dan Franklin himself,
in the run up to the season said that this
is his most complete team ever.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Okay, my only issue with that is you've got a
running quarterback who can't throw. And so if seeing the
field and making smart, quick decisions is a part of
somebody's talent, it might be a talent thing.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
But he's not a running quarterback. I mean, the system
might be better for a running quarterback, but.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Buddy, if you came down from Neptune this year and
watch Drew Aller play football, you'd say that's a running
quarterback who sometimes makes interesting throws.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
It is not a talent thing. Though. It shouldn't be
a talent thing. You got receivers you feel good about no,
because of the way that they've recruited. Yeah, this should
not be a question of talent. It just shouldn't be.
It's not a facilities thing. They're building like crazy. It's
not a schedule thing. Everything was set up for them.
This is a coaching thing. The Oregon game was supposed

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to be the start of this redemption arc for Franklin,
and that was a loss that stung. I think this
loss highlighted just how much it's stung, how big of
a disappointment it was to come up again. So now
where we find ourselves, And I promise you I won't
ramble on for twenty minutes as though I could. Now
James Franklin finds himself in the very odd situation of

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where he could run the table. He could beat Ohio State,
and he still could miss out on the Big Ten,
could miss out on the playoff, and worst, he won't
even have a chance to redeem himself. That's where we're
at right now in the tenure of James Franklin. All
of this, even if they run the table could ultimately
be meaningless because for whatever reason, they lost this game

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to UCLA, and this one is going to last far longer,
even though the Oregon one was much higher profile. This
is the one that's going to be the fly in
the ointment when push comes to shove down in the
stretch here. You know, if there's a question about them
getting into the playoff, I don't know. I just kept
thinking about this over and over again, and everything you
hear is that Franklin has a great relationship, a great

(13:48):
rapport with the higher ups, the powers that be. They've
prioritized football in the way that he wants. He finally
got the formula the way he wants it. You know,
does this not feel like a relationship at this point
that maybe they'd be better off just being friends?

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Sure, but fifty million dollars to break up is a
different element to all of this. Man, I mean, this
is the football guds. By the way, you you Penn
State was your national champion, right.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
In my national chamir, I jinxed everybody, man, everybody that
I have thinks.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Look, not that I have any room.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I think I chose Texas, right, I want to say,
I chose Texas to be my national champion. But picking
Penn State and having them used lose to UCLA brutal.
That's sort of a different.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's a little mobomb on the piano.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
For thank you. No, I appreciate that. Here's my point.
If it's not going to happen this year, with this
roster and the way everything was set up, when's it
going to happen?

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Uh, it's not, it's not.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's just not. So. If you're eventually going to move
on past Franklin, then find a way to do it
sooner than later. I don't know where you come up
with that money. I don't know if it makes any
logisticals sense. It probably does not, because the guy does
still win and he's still a pretty successful coach. But
if you were holding yourself to a higher standard, and
if you consistently fall short of that standard, then something
needs to change. And that's where I'm at now.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I'll shut up, okay, No, I'm everything you said is reasonable.

Speaker 4 (15:16):
That was an uninspired performance and an inspired performance from
UCLA all at the same time.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I scared the crap out of the dog. I threw
something at the wall. Thankfully I didn't leave a mark
Kate would have been mad, but I was very angry
and the dog was very upset.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Sorry to hear it, Ty, I'm sorry to hear it.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Now, you were more entertained by Florida State Miami. Why
don't I hand the mic over to you. Tell me
why you were more entertained by that game?

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Because Malachi Coley plays for the one of those two teams.
Machai Toni, Malchai Toni, I said, Coley, Malachai Toni. I'm
I'm just off of my receiver names this year. I'm
just I've got receiver name Yips. Malachi Tony is sensational.
And what Miami was able to do early on in
just completely silencing Florida State's offense and hound Florida State

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upfront and completely dominate the line of scrimmage, Carson Beck
making the plays that he made, making Florida State scramble
and as you what's your term oop to oop that. Yeah,
the gus ball is like the oop to up offense.
And you know, the best of Tommy Castelanos is very entertaining.

(16:28):
But I don't know, I think you need to bring
a little bit more offensively for this Miami team. And
that was at home for Florida State, and this was
it just felt over very quickly.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
It felt like.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Florida State scored I want to say, they went up
three to nothing relatively early on, and then it was
fourteen to three relatively early on. And the more you
watched Florida State try to move the ball or finish drives,
it just became very apparent, very quickly that like, this
is not a team that is built to hang for
four quarters, and like they made the score look closer
than it actually was at the end there as Miami,

(17:02):
you know, in sort of typical fashion, hold on, hold on,
are you referencing Mario mode?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
We had a little bit of Mario mode at the end,
Thank you, Miami, and something like eighteen yards in the
fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
It's an inappropriate sound because they won. So they won
this game. They looked faster, they looked angrier, they looked
like they had more fire underneath them than Florida State.
And it's not to say that, like Virginia beat Florida
State twice, because even if they pulled out that game
in double overtime last week, Miami's just a different beast.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
They're a different animal.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
And so I came away thinking when you pair the
kind of spark that Miami has at offensive skill positions,
because I thought they ran the ball impressively as well,
and yes, you're right, they did pack it in and
we were just like, we're going to get two of
the most impressive yards ever every snap in.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
The fourth quarter.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
But when you compare that with the fire that they
played with on defense, I just felt that Miami is
they're building to something that they haven't seen lately.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
So not even no.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Look, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
Where I put them amongst like the Ohio States, Oregons,
take your pick in the sec whoever it is. Maybe
it's Alabama after this week, I'm not positive where they
fit in there.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
But they're in that conversation.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well, they're in the conversation. What's interesting about Miami is
just I come away from every Miami game feeling like
they're just really solid, right and solid. This year feels
like it's in short supply, does it not?

Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, it does? And they look they weren't getting great
burst on the ground. It wasn't an overwhelming day on
the ground for Miami. But if you're able to couple
explosion plays, which Miami seems to be hitting on a
level that is amongst the amongst the nation's elite through
the air at their best, and it was at that
level tonight. And just that sort of defense, especially up front. Yeah,

(19:02):
that's that's the formula. I am really impressed. And I
didn't see the official stats. I gotta go back and
watch tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And I've got him in front of me right now.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I don't know if you have like offensive defensive stats,
but like I do, the thing that really stuck out
to me was again line play. And it should come
as no surprise if you followed Crystal Ball through the years,
you know that's how he likes to build his teams.
But it just felt like another game where their line
play was superior, both in terms of protecting Carson Beck,

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who had a good game two forty four touchdowns. It
didn't feel like he was under much duress, and then
on the flip side, disrupting a lot of what Floridas
they wanted to do offensively. Yeah, and now Flora they
didn't really run the ball outside of Tommy Castellanos. They
had a couple nice runs from Gavin Sawchuk, but by
and large the plane was built out of Castellanos and
it seemed as if he was running for his life

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more often than not. Now, maybe that was a design
of the offense to try and put him on the move.
I'm sure there was some element of that. But as
we have seen time and again from this Miami defensive line,
they are in the backfield and they are a problem
for all opposing offensive lines that they have played thus far,
and I think will continue to be for the ones
that are yet to come on the schedule because the

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schedule gets easier after this game. I mean, I don't
think there's any other way to look at it. The
schedule gets easier and it's going to be a matchup
nightmare for the teams that remain in the second half
of the season. Now for the Canes, so like Tom Castellanos,
like really good effort in a losing effort, and did

(20:35):
try to bring Florida State back. They did almost get
the back door cover of the four and a half
they ended up losing twenty eight to twenty two. They
kick a late field goal to try and give themselves
a shot at an on side kick. I give Florida
State credit for fighting to the final whistle and trying
to get as close to Miami as they possibly could,
but this was again a situation where Miami was just

(20:58):
dominant where it counts. The ball set after the game,
they're state champs again, and I thought that was sort
of a fitting way to close things out. Miami looks
the real deal.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
By the way, just blemish wise, you're right.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
I mean they were up twenty eight to ten, twenty
eight eleven or something with three four minutes left in
this game. Thirteen penalties for one hundred plus yards, not
anything concerning. Didn't directly affect the you know, the win
loss column in this one, But those types of performances,
especially on the road, if things can't get a little
bit more buttoned up, that's how you lose a winnable game,

(21:35):
right That's like the missed free throws theory that like
those add up real quickly and you know, in key moments,
so there's time to clean it up. There's a lot
more to like and love about Miami right now than not,
but something worth paying attention to.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Malachai Toni reminds me of DeVante Smith a little bit
when he played for Miami. I mean they're different builds,
they're different players too. For Alabama, for Alabama. What did
I say?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, yeah, for Miami.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, Devonte Smith is obviously slighter in his build and
Tony is a little bit bigger. But what's true in
both cases is when they start running, you don't realize
how fast they're going.

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Yeah, you're never going to catch those dudes from behind.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
It just looks smooth and you don't realize it until
you see him just lapping the field. So as a
true freshman they mentioned on the broadcast only turn eighteen
a few weeks ago. I mean, the sky is the
limit for that kid. It's incredible. So I'm curious. We'll
see who is quarterback is next year. Yeah, we'll see
who the quarterback is next year. Yeah, let's stay in

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the state of Florida. And there was an upset twenty
nine twenty one, the Florida Gators knock off the Texas Longhorns. Dan,
you called this one. You picked this? How do we
feel did the.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Remember if I pected I don't know, if I picked
Texas to lose this game, I forget my you know,
outcome pick. But yeah, this this fell under my rubric
of quality defense at home as a dog, a tough
place to play. How do I feel about this game.
Texas is just okay, right that Texas measures itself the

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way that they've been built against the best of the sport,
and Arch Manning appeared the best of Arch Manning appears.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
To be very good.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
You don't see it all that often, very hard to
see it behind this offensive line with an almost non
existent run game. The running backs finished with under fifteen
or twenty yards in this game.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
No, I don't know if you have.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
It in front of it in front of me, no,
but yeah, I think the.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Running backs did. There were you know, his touchdown throw
to Ryan Wingo was outstanding deep over the middle. His
deeper throws that aren't intercepted are great. But along the
lines of scrimmage in this game, both lines of scrimmage,
Texas was completely outclassed. They did not belong on the field.
They got pushed around in the run game when Florida

(23:53):
had the ball, and they were not able to figure
out the Florida pass rush when they themselves had the ball.
This is a mess. Like I say in the present tense,
Penn State is a mess. Texas is a mess because
arch has been there for three years now. There's a
lot of players who are are new? Are young? You
know there's a new offensive line. This wasn't a unit

(24:14):
that Sark went after guys in the portal to bolster
and help, and it shows I don't know how much
it would have been improved. Today, couldn't have been much worse.
And so I came away from this game thinking, I'm
not sure arch Manning knows how to read.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
An SEC defense right.

Speaker 4 (24:35):
Like just throwing into double coverage, making mistakes. There were
times where I felt like his footwork in the pocket
was extraordinary, like that he felt at such ease, and
there were times where he felt like he where I
felt like he didn't know where the pressure was coming from.
And so Texas just struggled in every phase against Florida.

(24:56):
And I've spent I've spilled too much audio ink on Texas,
specifically because Florida looked good.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
They did.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Florida looked good many they felt inspired. You talk about
a freshman receiver in Malachai Toni who's popping off. Dallas
Wilson made his season debut. Long time Oregon comment Yeah,
Dallas Wilson signed with Oregon and then decided to switch
things over and dealing with stuff behind the scenes, and
it's all understandable and defensible.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
He looked like an NFL receiver.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
He bodied Texas DB's He looked real good. And so
where he transfers after billiy Napier gets fired, who's to say,
ty who is too such?

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Jedfish will make sure that he and DJ Lagway stay
there as a tandem. Buddy.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Florida looks like this the rest of the season. We
don't know how good Texas is, but who knows what
Florida looks like. They looked better. DJ Lagway looked more comfortable.
He knew he had more options. He knew that things
were going to be easier given how successful to Florida
game was, and the Florida defense was extraordinary. The Florida
defense looked like a very good defense should look against

(26:06):
a discombobulated offense like Texas is. What did you come
away thinking?

Speaker 1 (26:11):
This was just night and day. You know, we talk
off and on this show, especially when we're dealing with
the school like Florida that has fallen on some hard
times early, and I think it's my line. I know
it's been your line in the past, where we just
you can't always expect these teams to just sort of
switch it on. Switch it on against a better opponent
and a good defense, even if it's at home. That's

(26:33):
sometimes a bridge too far. Florida switched it on. They
switched it on. That's sort of what happened here. Dj Lagway,
as you said, was much better. The defense, which has
not gotten pressure at all this season, sack Darch Banning
six times. It felt like Florida was the physically dominant team.
They had ten more minutes of possession. And you know,

(26:55):
finally getting Dallas Wilson back was a huge coup in
the past game. Gave them a true wide receiver one,
or at least for this game, a wide receiver one.
He went off for six and one eleven and two touchdowns. Yeah,
talk about an instant impact. That was a big deal,
a really big deal getting him back. So I credit
Florida for finding some way to circle the wagons get

(27:19):
organized enough to beat a I still think a pretty
good Texas team, but a Texas team with flaws, they're flawed.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Trey Wisner eight carries for eleven yards. He was their
leading running back rusher in this game.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
They had two yards to carry two yards of carry
as a rushing entity, the Texas Longhorns, and so it
was all in Arch Manning. And like you said, the
best of Arch is a beautiful thirty eight yard touchdown
pass to Ryan Wingo. The worst of Arch doesn't recognize
the pressure shot puts the ball out there as funky

(27:55):
mechanics forces passes sometimes into traffic. I was watching Arch,
I was thinking, there's a little bit of Drew Aller
in his game, which is not a great comparison or
a compliment, I guess, but I think probably a fair comparison.
And to that point, there's a little bit of Penn
State in Texas. I just keep waiting for him to
pop into the next gear. I don't know if we've

(28:17):
seen it yet. I don't know if we ever will.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
No, I mean it's all correct what you've said. I
just I go back to the fact that this is
his third year in the system, that by now, if
you are struggling to look comfortable consistently at home on
the road, whatever, you've been through this. You know the
film study that he's been through, the practices that he's
been through, the game experience that he's had, and he

(28:41):
just kind of seems like he is what he is,
and now you can use the lesson of any of
these teams of UCLA, of Florida, whatever, that you can
be in all sorts of really depressing depths as a program,
as a team, and you can pull yourself out that
you can be terrible in September and improve in October
and November. Right that you can treat the season like

(29:02):
a living, breathing thing that grows and evolves and improves
and grows into your fully realized self. We just haven't
seen that direction from Texas yet. We haven't and we
didn't see it against Oio State, and we most certainly
did not see it in the weeks leading up to
this game against lesser, you know, quality opponents. So I

(29:26):
just I hold out hope for my own entertainment's sake
that Texas improves, But it doesn't seem obvious how and
where it's going to happen quickly.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
My final point on Texas and specifically Arch Manning, did
you happen to catch down the stretch? Arch's helmet gets
ripped off on a play, he has to sit out.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Oh the backup who came in.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Matthew Caldwell comes in and immediately rips a post twenty
six yards down the field.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
The throwing motion for Matthew Caldwell compared to Arch Manning
was like silky smooth. It felt like a breath of
fresh air watching him throw the ball versus Arch throwing.
I don't know if something's wrong with Arch. I don't
know if that's the way Arch has always looked, but
his mechanics, as compared to his backup, looked demonstrably more rickety.

(30:19):
And I don't know that hit me. That hit me
deep in my core. Arch is still a Manning. Arch
is still going to be probably, I'm sure pretty good.
But I don't know. It's just we're not necessarily getting
what we bargained for here, certainly not the people who
made Arch Manning the prohibitive favorite to win the Heisman
before the season. It's just it's not going to happen

(30:39):
this year, if it's going to happen at all.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Well, Matthew Caldwell has that Jared Parker DNA a Troy transfer,
so who's to say what his ceiling is? To be clear,
I had to look that up. Yeah, thank Matthew Caldwell
was Yeah, continue.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Alabama thirty Van and fourteen. This is a game that
we talked a lot about. Given circumstances, given the baggage
from a yer ago, should come as no surprise. We
had people writing into us, a lot of people interested
in this game, a lot of people rooting for Vandy
in this game. I thought this was an incredible football game,
and there were a couple of moments early when I

(31:13):
said to you, Vandy looks like they could win the
damn SEC Bendy looked good for a good chunk of
this game. They look good. And I think there's some
real cognitive dissonance here for a lot of us when
it comes to Vandy, especially those of us who have
been covering the sport for a while, because Vandy's just
been so bad for so long. They weren't last year.

(31:36):
This year, I don't think they are either. I think
they're a pretty good team now. We just got to
get over it. And I'm speaking mostly to myself. They
are not just a cute story. They're a tough out.
They're legitimately good. And Alabama over the course of this
game did what Alabama is good at, and that is
give the ball to Ti Simpson, let him create plays,

(31:58):
allow him to extend plays. Yeah, with his ability in
the pocket, with his legs. He's not a runner like
Jalen Milroe, but he's really good at moving around. He's
good at extending plays. He was especially dangerous in this
football game. And I thought ty Simpson again continued to
do what he has done ever since that first week

(32:18):
of the season, and that is put Alabama in a
position to win, keep opposing defenses on skates, and be
really efficient through the air. He had an outstanding football game.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
The big thing that I noticed with ty Simpson and
I picked Vandy to win this game, which you know,
for a couple minutes here, a couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
There, felt pretty good about that pick.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
But the big thing I've noticed about ty Simpson since
that Florida State loss was his decision making and his
like this is my move and I'm going for it now.
Like you can see that. He sat in film study
and somebody with a laser pointer was like, this is
when you throw it, dude, Like this receiver runs by

(32:58):
this safety. As soon as you see that's happening, your
wind up begins. You step in and you let it rip.
And it has become so much more of a joy
to watch him play because he seems so much more decisive,
and there's some like ambivalence in the pockets sometimes and
feeling pressure and taking sacks that he shouldn't be taking.
There's that kind of stuff with the first year starter.

(33:20):
But by and large, especially down the middle of the
field today, I mean finding you know, take your pick,
you know, I think he has a really nice connection
with Ryan Williams and Jeremy Bernard, but Josh Quavis got
into it the tight end, and I thought you saw
the difference in Alabama finally being able to run the
ball today, jam Miller looked really sharp and the running

(33:41):
game in general looked very, very sharp, and so I
just thought he looked so much more confident in what
he was seeing down the field. And he's got great
players obviously, but it just seemed like he was much
more sympatico not simpty, I don't know whatever, in line
with Ryan Grubb and Halen de Boor. And for Vanderbilt's part,

(34:03):
like Diego Pave made plays. He had the long run.
I think it was it said Alexander early on had
the sixty plus yard run. And there were some turnovers,
early turnover stuff early and obviously later in the game,
Bama had some red zone struggles. They definitely need to
clean that up. We saw that in the second half
last week, we saw it in the second half this
week against Vandy. But by and large, the Bama defense

(34:25):
came to play and they adjusted to Vandy really nicely.
I didn't think the Vandy defense adjusted all that well
to what Alabama was doing. They were getting shredded up
the middle. I don't know if they were just sitting
in some kind of zone that ty Simpson was seeing.
I'm gonna have to go back and watch the game
a little bit more closely, but the picture seemed like
it was in four K for and I don't know
what the human eye can actually register, but ty Simpson's

(34:48):
vision was super impressive, and Alabama is playing with a
confidence against what I still think, and I think you agree,
is a very good Vanderbilt team that I think probably
is incredible to see if you're Obama fan. Things to
clean up, for sure, but a great next step in
the season.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
I think it's meaningful for Bama to cover. And we
don't play any of these games, at least you and
I don't view these games that much. Through the point spread,
but the whole saying about good teams winning, great teams
cover I think is meaningful in a game like this
because Vandy's a pain in the ass and they're a

(35:28):
good team, and they're going to beat others in the
sec before all is said and done, this is a
game Alabama. There was an obvious like set of baggage here.
Of course, there was a revenge tilt for them, but
Vandy wanted to do this again, and Diego Pavia has
proven very effective in games like this. So for Bama

(35:48):
to put Vandy out of its misery, for them to
be able to run the ball, which is something they
have not done much at all this season, for Ty
Simpson to have the kind of game he had, and
for Alabama I think to win going away as it felt.
If you watched this thing, I don't know, that's meaningful
to me. And that's something I definitely paid some attention
to when I was putting my ballot together, which I'll

(36:09):
show you guys a little bit later on in the show.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Can't Wait All Right?

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Another one here as we switch gears and talk about
Big twelve football. Was a game that I think you
and I disagreed on as well. Cincinnati knocked off Iowa
State by a thirty eight to thirty score. Yeah, buddy,
not a lot of defense in this one. This was
an early game. This is kind of a big early
game at high New Eastern time for Cincinnati. It was

(36:36):
big play after big play after big play. I kept
waiting for them to stop. Surely, Dan, the big plays
had to stop at some point. Yeah, never did.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Not, really, No, And I'm curious to see what Iowa
States yards before contact number is because Evan Pryor was
running wild. Yeah, there was so much room for Cincinnati
in this game. I came away super impressed with what
Cincinnati was doing on offense, and especially in that first half.

(37:11):
I paused. You know, I went back and I was
at a kid soccer game during this game. So I
went back and I watched every play that I could.
And if you had told me the Iowa State defense
decided seven minutes before kickoff to have like a Thanksgiving meal,
it would have made a lot more sense watching the
Iowa State defense. I don't know how beat up they

(37:32):
are in this moment. They looked sluggish, they looked indecisive.
They didn't look like they had the fire needed to
win this game, and Cincinnati came out with their hair
on fire. It was such a striking contrast to me
that Cincinnati's game plan was just incredible and Iowa State
was just trying to react constantly. And I saw Rockebeck
throw the ball fifty times. That's not Iowa State football.

(37:55):
If he's thrown it forty eight forty nine times, it's
bad news.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Yeah, I mean to the point, Iowa State was down
sixteen guys, yeah, to a three, and it did look it.
But even still, that's not really an excuse for the
poor tackling we saw in this game. This was still
a much much better defense statistically than they showed in
this game with respect to preventing chunk plays. Cincinnati just

(38:23):
pounded them and they were dominant up front. You were right.
They ran for season high two hundred and sixty yards.
I Alowa State was pretty much playing catch up the
whole game, and I give since he a lot of
credit for coming out really aggressive, for keeping their foot
on the gas. Even though i Always State did mount
a bit of a comeback towards the end, Cincinnati and
the lead that they got out to right away set

(38:45):
the tone established up front. That if Iowa State wanted
to win, they had to come from behind and do
so on the road. And kudos to Scott Sadderfield Cincinnati
forgetting a big win. This of course puts the Big
Twelve and more of a state of flex now with
a loss here. We saw a really close one in

(39:05):
the Big twelve. Baylor knocks off Kse State by a
thirty five to thirty four score. That was a wild game.
We could talk about that one. Texas Tech just steady eddy.
They end up winning thirty five to eleven over Houston.
We saw BYU win on Friday night over West Virginia
Arizona one. I believe TCU ended up winning their game

(39:27):
fourth Wall or late Yep against Colorado, and Kansas got
a dub as well over UCF. But there are a
bunch of teams sort of just clustered in there where
you can make a case for a bunch of them,
and I think feel pretty okay about it. But there
is just so much variability now from game to game.
When we're talking about these Big twelve teams, a lot

(39:49):
of them feel the same, but each game feels a
little bit different, which is just very strange. And I
think adds to the whole appeal of the Big Twelve
being the most wide open, interesting conference in agree.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Yeah, no, there's definite quality in bulk here we nailed that.
What was the Kansas State Baylor game did feel like
it was going to be tight back and forth. I
haven't watched the game as closely as I'd like to
and eventually will, but it seemed like k State had
this game.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Let me tell you what you need to know. What
you need to know about this game, if you didn't
watch it, if you're going to go back and watch it,
or if you're just interested from afar. Both fan bases
were pissed off after this.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Those are the best.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, both were pissed off about something because if you're
a Baylor fan. There were early mistakes. They were falling behind.
They needed this furious comeback. It was a stadium that
looked a little bit too much like the Rose Bowl
for everybody's satisfaction. There were a lot of empty seats
on the k State side. They were giving up a

(40:50):
ton of chunk plays. They were not converting on some
of those early mistakes from Baylor. They blew a fourteen
point lead late. It was their fifth time in six
games that it was a one score margin. They just
cannot get separation. And I think the most frustrating part
of all. Avery Johnson has not been great this season.
He actually had a really good game, as you might

(41:13):
expect for any quarterback going up against Baylor, but it
was a late pick six that's going to overshadow everything.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
So again, both fan bases come out of this one
and I think wanting and feeling like they left a
lot out there and they should be better than this.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
But only one one a clunker?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, only one one a clunker over in the big ten, Dan, please,
We of course talked about I think the main one,
the Penn State loss, but we had Michigan knocking off
Wisconsin twenty four to ten.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
YEP.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
We had a Nebraska Michigan State game, which was one
of the more entertaining games of the day. Nebraska did
not cover the eleven and a half point spread by
a half point, that little hook, Yeah, thirty eight to
twenty seven. Washington needed twenty one unanswered to come back
from a late deficit in the fourth quarter to win
at Maryland Traveling Cross Country twenty four to twenty YEP.

(42:08):
We had Illinois getting three hundred and ninety yards from
one week that and Northwestern gotta win over ul Monroe. Yes,
I am impressed with Michigan right now, and I think
a lot of people are sleeping on Michigan. It was
a season high two hundred and seventy yards passing for

(42:29):
Bryce Underwood. It was a fifth straight one hundred yard
game for Justice Haynes. Of course, you had your normal
complement of controversial calls and mispass interferences and mis false starts,
all sorts of weird stuff. But if you look at Michigan,
they're currently four and one on the road at USC

(42:49):
home against Washington and Purdue on the road at Northwestern
in Maryland close out the year. Of course, that big
game against Ohio State. I'm just saying watch out for mission.
It feels like they might be getting better, and with
the schedule they've got coming up, I think most of
these teams are beatable, maybe with the exception of Ohio State,
but it could be interesting down the stretch with the
Michigan Wolverines. Do not count them out.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
I'm still not thrilled with where Michigan is on offense,
and this is not to say not thrilled with Bryce Underwood.
It's more just the sloppiness from receivers, and I know
they made some changes at receivers and Donovan McCully actually
really stepped up today. I thought that's a really nice
step in the right direction. Wisconsin defense did enough in

(43:33):
this game, especially those first two two and a half quarters,
to make this a legit game. They start a new quarterback,
you know, it's sort of like one step forward, two
steps back with this offense. Luke Fickle had a weird
thing where he had his timeouts and they decided and
it was like a longer postgame conversation, but they were

(43:54):
able to move the ball. I think they kicked a
field goal to go down two touchdowns, and with like
three or four minutes left they had Michigan had the
ball and he just didn't call timeouts, and Michigan took
like two minutes off the clock. Yeah, it's like, okay,
that's not advisable. Not that Wisconsin had any sort of
reason to believe that their offense could score two quick touchdowns,

(44:16):
but it just I don't know, it felt like there
was white flag waving from Wisconsin, but by and large,
what Michigan was able to do today and sidebar. I
love the like yellow or the maze accents that they
were wearing in this game.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Really sure looks great.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
I loved it. I loved it.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Got good runs from Justice Haynes, nice throws from Bryce Underwood.
Donovan McCully came to play. But I wouldn't say it
was an overwhelming effort for Michigan's offense.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
No, it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I think there are positives to take away from it.
They I think they started a true freshman tight end
at one of the receiver spots and that was promising.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I think there's a lot to clean up still from Michigan,
and that's okay. It's a true freshman quarterback. That's understandable.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I should also mention that Ohio State one forty two
to three. They held the highest graded passer in the
Big Ten, Drake lindsay to ninety four yards. Meanwhile, Drew
Julian Sayin went twenty three of twenty seven for three
twenty six and three touchdowns. They outgained Minnesota four seventy
four to one sixty two. Don't think there was much

(45:31):
of a surprise at Ohio State won Big but this
was a dominant showing the two other things I just
want to call out very quickly since I know he
mentioned the game.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
To point out it was it was a freshman receiver,
not a freshman tight end. Freshman receive, I think, yeah, Andrew.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Marsh, Yeah, I did not think Nebraska was overly impressive
in their game. They did.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
I think there were elements of Nebraska that were impressive.
Their offensive line.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
No, they did enough. They did make some big plays.
They got to win. Dylan Royl, you know, one four
touchdown ended up throwing a pick. They ran, okay, eighty
three yards with Emmitt Johnson, he had three touchdowns on
the ground. This was a win that they needed to get.

(46:14):
They did hold Michigan State down on like third downs.
I think they went two to fourteen. They were a
couple turnovers in there. So like that side of it,
I think I take away as a positive. But offensively,
I felt like I wanted more. I felt like it
was there against this defense, and I just I wanted
a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
It was in both of these teams defenses. In terms
of what these the stat line looks like it was
twenty mile an hour wins and so I don't know.
Dylan Royola has a big arm and so you got
to be able to throw through that sometimes, and he
had some nice throws. The long touchdown, I want to say,
was a screen caught at the line of scrimmage and
then run for sixty yards, So that may have skewed

(46:56):
his bottom line a little bit, but a nice job. Yeah,
I think you're on target here because I thought it
was a nice job by Nebraska's defense. More than anything,
offensive line is a wreck, but that's nothing new. I
thought Riola was fine, he was okay, didn't get me
going all that much, but he's the quarterback for a
winning team, and to do what he does when he's
able to make plays behind that line, it's impressive.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
And the only other big ten point I have is
that Washington deserves some praise for traveling cross country in
a letdown spot. Right. I had Ohio State last week
at home, obviously didn't win that game, but now having
to travel cross country to play a Maryland team. Maryland
was up on him for most of the game. They
needed that comeback late in order to get the dub.
They were able to get the job done, so I

(47:42):
credit them. I think that was a really tough spot.
I think it shows a lot of resilience with.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
The oh it was one hundred percent losable spot. They
didn't score in the first half, I don't I think
they went nearly seven straight quarters without scoring a touchdown
or yeah, seven quarters. They didn't score a touchdown until
the fourth quarter of this one. They needed three touch
downs to close things out. So an impressive effort from
Washington to close out an incredibly losable game for the Huskies.

(48:08):
And Maryland not closing this out. I know there's controversial
calls both ways, and I understand it. Marylynd not closing
this game out is a pretty catastrophic look for the Terps.
This would have been a signature win for Mike Loxley
and not able to close it.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Out in the ACC Virginia gets another win.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Louisville was my lock of the week, so obviously Virginia
gets the win in overtime. They're second straight overtime victory.
They win thirty to twenty seven on the road. A
much different game than we saw last week against Florida State,
and I think that's interesting because two.

Speaker 2 (48:47):
Defines some touchdowns. So yeah, well.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, anytime you have a team sort of come out
of nowhere where there's not much expectation and suddenly they're
playing really well. There's the obvious question of, yeah, well,
what else can they do? We've seen them win a
couple of games like this, but how else can they
win games? If forced too? They answered some new questions
in this one. The offense was not nearly as effective
or efficient as we've seen recently. Never felt like it

(49:13):
clicked in this game, so the defense steps up. They
had fourteen points, one with a scoop and score another
with a pick six. They were able to dial up
pressure on defense. They ended up with five sacks in
the second half alone. On Louisville. They were really good
against the run. They didn't get roasted by Isaac Brown.
Something was up with the turf in this game. Yeah,

(49:34):
a chance to watch, but guys.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I think that's like a weird reputation that Louisville has
in general, garbage turf that injures players allegedly.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
It felt worse to me. I don't know if there
were sliding around like they were on ice out there,
that wasn't pleasant. But I thought the way that Virginia
won this game sort of in a different capacity than
we're used to seeing, or then we've been used to
seeing these last couple weeks of the year in September.
That to me was impressive. And there's not a whole
lot of AMMO left on that Virginia schedule, you know,

(50:03):
I don't know if they've got the medal to sort
of run the table and go through this thing and
really surprise us. Even if they don't, what they've done
so far I think is a huge success and definitely
re ups Tony Elliott, like they're not going to get
rid of him at this point. How could they?

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, as long as they keep ponying up for portal
stuff every year or recruiting stuff and nil stuff, Virginia's
in a nice place.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
I thought.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I was really impressed with. I think it's Jamari Taylor right.
I'm trying to make sure I get my name's correct.
Tye at my advanced age, in sort of an all
purpose role for Virginia was great. Able to pull that
out against Miller, Moss and Louisville, I mean to do
it on the road, especially in that letdown spot as
you mentioned, and not getting it from Chanmo, who seems
off I don't know. There's something physically there. I don't know,

(50:50):
but very impressive from the who's wahu wah all right?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Rapid fire ACC other scores Pit wins by forty one
with a backup quarterback Mason Heinschel Eli Holstein benched. Yeah,
maybe this is what Pitt needed to realize their ACC
championship fate.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Who knows, it's not too late, ty. My standings say
they are one and one in the ACC in this moment.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Thirty eight UNC ten. Guess who just got bur This
was thirty five to three at half. It's what we
would call typically a flash fry on this here show
the Bill Belichick experiment is not working. It does not
seem like it is working. This might have been an
extreme case against one of the better teams maybe in

(51:36):
the ACC, at least in the top half of the ACC.
Maybe their defense got torched. They started Max Johnson. That
wasn't a great showing from him. It was just all
round bad, all round bad for North Carolina. You know,
I don't know what the immediate future looks like, but

(51:58):
if this is a measuring stick against Clemson, they didn't
look up to it at all. We had Wake Forest
going on the road to Lane Stadium in winning. We
had SMU winning comfortably over Syracuse, though Qus came back
a bit, and then we had a win from NC State.
The Duke California game is currently ongoing. We'll have to
get to that one when we talk about things on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
The Late West Coast affair should also mention regarding the
Clemson game. This isn't a full Divorgeack experience, but opening
play seventy five yard double pass trick play Antonio Williams
to TJ Moore. The first six drives offensive drives in
this game for Clemson against a Bill Belichick and Steve

(52:42):
Belichick defense were touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, punt, touchdown. Yeah,
this game was over almost immediately. I cannot believe as
I posted this on some plot maybe Blue Sky or something,
that Hulu is going to exit exhaust SD card after

(53:02):
SD card, of after SD card following a two to
ten ACC team in which everybody seems to be quitting.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
Yeah, pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Wild wild, And just to round things out here for
more results, to win Notre Dame one handily over Boise
State twenty eight to seven.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
It was close, sloppily as at the same time too
ace for a while, but I.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Thought a good game from Notre Dame defense. Notre Dame
was clearly the better team. It did take them to
get a bit to get moving, but force four picks
from Maddox Madison. He was running for his life for
most of this game. A nauseating performance from the referees.
If I don't say so myself.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
Could you see this game? Okay, Notre Dame was in
the greens on greens.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I struggled with this. Yeah, my color blindness did not
appreciate that uniform choice. Okay, twenty four flags in this game. Oof,
just a brutal watch a million player stoppages. That was
not fun. But Notre Dame wins. They I think showcased
that they were the better team. We had a boat

(54:07):
race elsewhere in the SEC with Texas A and M
beating Mississippi State. They just slowly pulled away and suffocated Missisippi.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Well, wasn't it It was like fourteen? It was close
near the end of this game. It was a big
fourth quarter. Obviously they turned a short field after a
fumble into a score, but this was relatively close for
a large chunk of this game. I know Ruben Owens.
Every time I looked up, he was running wild. Yeah,
but you know, a strong way to finish for Texas
A and M. I'm excited to watch this game a

(54:39):
little bit more closely.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Georgia was dominant over Kentucky thirty five to fourteen. They
outgained them by a four to twenty five to two
seventy margin. Kentucky was like three of eleven on third downs.
Gunner Stockton was good running on the ground, and Oklahoma
blanked kent State.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Mark Stoops very defensive after this game. Yeah, there were
questions implying that maybe there should be thought to moving
in a new direction for him for Kentucky, and he
seemed irritated at the notion.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
That's okay, So Dan, here is what my top twelve
looks like.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Okay, as a.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Result of what we saw this week. Okay, I'm ready.
I've got Miami as my new top team number one.
I've got Miami as my top team. I'm going to
Ohio State two, Oregon three. Now I had Oregon one.
But one of the things, one of the things I
wanted to ask you about is, now, with what we
saw from Penn State, if that takes some of the

(55:46):
heat out of Oregon.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Sure, but you know, doing it on the road, doing
it in that environment, and there are proven very good
players on at least this Penn State defense that came
in as proven guys. Doesn't mean Penn State is a
proven good team. But yes, I still think that game
is impressive from Oregon. But yeah, you got to take

(56:12):
the whole, the whole scope of the Penn State experience
into accounts. So if you want a doc Oregon, that's okay,
that's your prerogative, that's your poll.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
I mean, Oregon didn't even play, so.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
He did not play.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Not a great logical reason to drop them. But this
is a Liverpool. We get to move things around at will.
I've got A and M at four. I love A
and M. I've got BAM at five, Georgia at six,
Ole Miss at seven, So a run of four SEC
teams there, Indiana at eight, Oklahoma at nine, Missoo at ten,

(56:47):
Tennessee at eleven, Texas Tech at twelve. That's how I
felt in the immediate aftermath of Week six.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I might have Miszoo a little bit lower, just in
terms of resid a stuff. I don't mind where you
have Indiana, Nor do I mind where you have Oklahoma
or Ole, miss A and M resume wise, because the
Notre Dame win looks better, I guess I think I
would have Bama ahead after today of A and M.

(57:18):
But that's just sort of personal preference and splitting hairs.
I don't think that's terrible. But I also when I
look at your poll, I think to myself, there is
no amount of money that I would feel comfortable wagering
on Miami to beat Ohio State on a neutral field
in this moment.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Oh that's fair, That's absolutely fair. If you've got thoughts
on that, please write in. Come and fight me.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I'm crying and fight you.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Come and fight me. I'm willing to defend my choices.
For those of you who are watching live, who have
been staying up with us and paying attention to our
week six reaction stream, I want to get some questions
from the verbaler who here before too long before we

(58:07):
get there, though, we should pay sweet homage Dan Rubinstein
to the kind folks that called in at eight five
five verbal three. That is the reverblind where people leave
voice messages. The sense that I get from listening to
this and from talking to our chief reverb engineer, Shay
is that we had a lot of folks that were
shell shocked by some of these results. I'm sure we

(58:28):
had a lot of folks that were shell shocked. So
though we had sort of the normal amount come in,
we had a fair amount of people who I don't
know if they knew what to say in response to
what we saw. Here are your week six reverbs have listened.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
My wife's window of opportunity went much longer than I
expected today. So when I first sat down and saw
the Penn State UCLA game in the third quarter, I yelled,
oh my God, so loud. She ran to the room
thinking I was hurt.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
Hey, y'all, this is uh William in Clinton, South Carolina.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
This is Andrew from Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Tommy here calling in from Virginia.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I'm at a wedding.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Just check the Penn State score and is it grunky times?
Because Drew aller Man TI, I have.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
A poem for you. I hope you like it.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Roses are red, bruins are blue.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Penn State stinks fire games. Franklin too?

Speaker 6 (59:21):
Does tenn State have a Rose Bowl problem? Hey?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
This is Don from Laurel. Is this the better helpline.
I'm Penn State alum and I need some help.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
I got a couple questions for you. You know, all
we did is beat the dog miss out of a
six time Super Bowl champion? Is that good? All we
did is haying twenty eight points on him in the
first court.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
I don't know. Is that good? I very much like
it when Caden pract gets the ball. Please keep doing that, Alabama.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Archill telmc comes off, got to hit out for a play,
Paul well sling's a twenty six yard past. Arch just
pooches it a My wife goes, why did they just
leave that Caldwell guy in there?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
You just talk about Arch Manning. He's not that great.

Speaker 7 (01:00:08):
He's just a baby in the swamp to Billy Napier.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
You lost that game. Sheesh, my buddy, she.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
Granted if you can't spin your wheels for three quarters
against the quality team, the twenty four unanswered on the
road bowed.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
Down to Washington.

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
I can't believe Auburn managed to lose to the bye week,
didn't even play. Still lost in all serious snows. How
many rounds of golf did Hugh Freeze play this weekend?
Setting me over here at three and a half and
taking me over.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Nebraska definitely is not back. But I saw them do
something today. I was starting to become convinced they.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Might never do again. Win a freaking clunker.

Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Gbr Baby, there's a new sheriff in town.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
At Pitt's name is Mason Heinschel, who's CC champions dreams
are not dead man.

Speaker 5 (01:01:03):
I didn't think a Pio State's the best win of
the season would come against ILLINOI.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Na ch yikes, Jay is still a dude.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
I still love you, guys, but please, for the love
of Jesus, never ever, ever, ever, ever lock up Louisville again. Okay,
thanks bye.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I know James Franklin isn't wearing a bald cap, but
his head just kind of looks like he's wearing a
bald cap all the time. Fire up chips, no, fire
up ships. There we go eight five, five, verbal three.
A wonderful collection over bowlers as per usual. Dan Rubinstein, Yes,

(01:01:43):
let's bring this home. We got a couple questions that
have filed in here, this one from Trumpeter. Are we
all just diluting ourselves into thinking that Ohio State isn't
going back to back?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:01:56):
Maybe it's entirely possible. They looked really, really strong. They're defense.
They haven't a lot of touchdown in what three weeks
or something crazy since the Ohio game. I want to say,
they didn't allow it against Washington, didn't allow one against Minnesota.
They're not to get too into the weeds in this game.
I don't think they allowed a point after the first

(01:02:17):
Minnesota drive. Right the Minnesota scored three points in this game.
That was the final tally for two. I just man
Rvel Reese and Caleb downs on the same defense doing
whatever they want. I just they're filthy and Carnel Tate downfields,
Jeremiah Smith downfield or more intermediate. Today, I guess the

(01:02:40):
run game came awake a little bit. But I'd rather
have Ohio State than Miami. I probably would rather have
Ohio State than Oregon in this moment. But I think
it's very, very tight because I think Oregon's better on
defense than they were last season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
But man, yeah, that's yeah. We're gonna have to make
peace with that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
We're gonna have to make peace with it. And though
it was a popular talking point at the start of
the year that Ohio State was losing a lot and
they had to integrate a bunch of new pieces. It
wasn't going to be the same team. I think that was,
as Trevor points out, our way of maybe coping with
the fact that Ohio State was still going to be very,

(01:03:24):
very good. Yeah, and that the possibility of them going
back to back was still very real. There was a
reason why I think they were the championship favorite.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Now, if you are going to say that you are
discounting Organs win against a putrid Penn State because of
how they look today, what exactly is the win that
Ohio State has this season? And you can make an
argument that the manner that they've won looks to be
championship level. What is that team that you're like? Man,

(01:03:57):
Since playing Ohio State, they've also looked terrific and just
didn't against Ohio State. Texas hasn't looked good, Washington hasn't
looked like. The offense against like Guppies has looked fine.
They had no offense against Maryland for three quarters. They
were it was a one touchdown game against Wazu late.

(01:04:17):
Who is that team? I mean, I know you were
a pff. Drake Lindsay guy. He did nothing against Ohio State. No, so,
Ohio State may not have that win. They look like
a championship team against their schedule thus far. But right
as of now, there is no team where you're like
they've otherwise looked good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Well, I mean, coming up here, we're gonna find out.
Maybe we'll get a little bit more data. This coming week,
they're on the road at Illinois. That'll be one of
the big games of the week. That'll be the big
noon game. They do have the game against Penn State.
I mean, I think some of the shine is off
of that one.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
I've got the lost to Michigan at the end of
the year.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
It's still going to obviously be a pretty big talking point.
And then they're on the road in the Big House.
As you said, the lost to Michigan at the end
of the year November twenty ninth.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
We will see.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
I mean, there are a few other opportunities here for
them to go up against some better competition. Not to
mention if they end up playing Oregon in the Big
Ten title game, that could be another data point. But
all signs at this point are pretty positive when it
comes to the Buckeyes. I agree, all right, This one
from Chaka or your G six favorites after a month

(01:05:29):
and a half of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Great question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I think two lanes the answer. Really, I think tu
Lane's probably the answer. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
So November seventh, Tulane is on the road at Memphis, right,
I believe there are a few teams so very quietly
U and LV hasn't lost. Uh, Fresno lost to Kansas,
but Fresno schedule is pretty good. I don't trust their
past game. Long term, they could win double digit games.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Though.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Here's another quiet undefeated. The Midshipman of Navy have not
lost a game yet. Correct fact check me on that. Okay,
but have you looked at Navy's schedule this season? We
talked about Navy schedule in the preseason. In the preseason, Well,
it's the same schedule as we looked at the and
it finishes with at North Texas at Notre Dame Byron Brown,

(01:06:24):
who I think went for three hundred and seventy three
total yards today in USF at home at Memphis, and
then the Army game whatever two and a half weeks later. WHOA,
that's tough. So I think I favor Memphis lightly over
Tulane at this point, just because the game is at
Memphis and you know, having a win over an SEC team,
and obviously Tulane has their Duke win, but I favor

(01:06:47):
Memphis slightly. But I am taking note of teams who
are taking care of business this first month of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I mean, the three teams that I would call out Tulane,
South Florida, you know, I love South Florida. South Florida
by the time all is said and done, could end
up having a really good win over Florida. And we'll
have to see how Boise ends up doing the remainder
of their season, but those could end up being two
monster non conference wins that do a lot of work

(01:07:14):
for them through the eyes of the playoff committee. And
then the other would be Memphis. You know, I think
Memphis right now, despite the fact that they lost a
lot from a year ago, Memphis is playing better defense
than I expected, and I think that could end up
being like a real turning point for them in the season.
They're six and zero right now, and if you look
at the remainder of their schedule, I mean, you bring

(01:07:36):
up the game that they've got against Tulane second week
of November, but beyond that, it's a lot of teams
that look like they're very beatable. They've got USF, but
that's at home. They've got Navy, but that's at home.
Things set up pretty well for them, provided they can
keep trucking along.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
You know who does not have either Memphis nor Tulane
according to the schedule. I'm looking at North Texas, the
mean green North Texas does have USF. I believe this
coming week, Week seven. That's a huge game in the
American But otherwise, UTSA, who just lost a Temple Charlotte

(01:08:15):
is in a rebuild. Navy will see. We just mentioned them.
They're undefeated, they're good, UAB is terrible, Rice is fine
but not amazing, and Temple will see. But they're also
in the middle of a rebuild. If North Texas's defense continues,
I think their offense is going to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Hanging around man, final question here, can y'all give me
your top three risers and stinkers of the NL era? Okay,
bloods will be blue bloods. But who took advantage and
who has not taken advantage with respect to NIL?

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Who pooped the bed?

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Yeah, risers and stinkers of the NIL era. Well, the
NIL era is sort of tied to the Portal era,
so you know, limited sample size in this moment. But Indiana, Yeah, right,
they've come to play. Kurtz Signetti immediately got I mean
he's not nil, but I guess he is nil because
he's getting paid for his name, image and likeness. He

(01:09:12):
is extended and a monster in Indiana. Is that team
right now? Texas Tech will see the investment is there?
The results are TBD. They look like the strongest team
right now in the Big twelve, but there's a lot
of season left. I think they just got a commitment
from the number one defensive lineman of the class of
twenty twenty seven, which sounds like a fake year. I'm

(01:09:35):
going to further investigate to learn whether or not it's
a real year twenty twenty seven. Yeah, he's built like
Ford truck. He's a monster looked at.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I looked up his vitals before hitting go here, and yeah,
I mean that's a pretty big get for them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Yes, so they appear to be one of the winners.
I'm trying to think of.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
The other one that I would throw out. His old
miss sure, because Ole Missus is ever very active in
the portal and it seems like they've been able to
integrate guys pretty effectively a year in and year out, you know,
whether we're talking about like quarterback with just bringing over
Jackson Dart and turning him into a first round talent. Obviously,

(01:10:17):
what they're doing this year with Trinidad Chambliss is kind
of an entirely different thing. But they're getting a pretty
effective stat line out of him week in and week out,
and clearly they're an attraction in terms of getting guys
on campus. So I think ole Miss is one that
comes to mind. The question is I think a little

(01:10:42):
bit more complicated when you're talking about stinkers, you know,
because I think it's sure that you're going to have
schools that completely with Like an obvious example of that
will be Florida State last year. Florida State last year
tried a bunch of transfer maneuvers and il maneuvers and
none of it worked. That's why they want two games.
So we have some instances like that because so much

(01:11:04):
of this is dependent on the transfer portal. Now that
might be the most extreme example. I don't know if
it tends to be, you know, the type of thing
where we can very obviously point out who the stinkers are.
But we can clearly point out which players do not
work out. Like you can make a case that the
running back from Tulane who transferred up to Oregon, Makai

(01:11:26):
Kai Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
A stinker in terms of the transfer portal because he
was not good enough. They paid him to come to
campus and he's gonna end up going somewhere else next year.
Oregon Bio large has not been a stinker with respect
to NIL or the transfer.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
No, they've been a big winner, not even just because
of you know, finding transfers and the way that they recruit.
But they haven't lost a starter, I don't believe to
the portal. Notre Dame has done a really good job
in terms of retention and also stinkers in terms of
the Power Conference teams. Uh, look at the ones that
have fired their coaches because part of that, Like UCLA
has been a stinker in terms of NIL. Well, obviously

(01:12:00):
they got Nico and that paid off today. Oklahoma State,
we saw those stories. Virginia Tech just announced that they're
going to raise and invest a ton more in their
football program, which kind of points out to me that
it needed to happen, and they weren't anywhere near where
they needed to be. So that tends to be a
direction I would look in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, and you know, to only Arkansas.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
Arkansas was famously artists, we're not weren't able to retain
quality players.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Yeah, No, And I mean it gets even more complicated
on the stinker side because you could argue that a
school like a Colorado is both a winner and a loser,
depending on your perspective. So that part is a little
bit more nuanced. But I think we have some obvious
answers with respect to who's been doing a pretty good
job of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:44):
It, and you have some stinkers that are growing into
perhaps like USC is one of those teams that has
struggled to translate you know, nil and portal into consistent success.
But maybe they've turned a corner now, who knows.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Dan Rubenstein, let's close this thing out. As you know
often here on the show, we'd like to give out
dood alerts. Let's give out some dood alerts, shall we please.
Dood alerts are our version of players of the week.
We put out a call on social media, usually later

(01:13:19):
on at night, try and get the sense for who
deserves our praise. We had a bunch of names come in. Dan,
who do we got today?

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Well, you mentioned the bear coat that Baylor players wear
after a turnover. But BYU employs a bear at quarterback. Yes,
Bear Bachmeier lit up West Virginia Friday nights and he's
been quietly very very good for BYU. So total dude
this week. Noah Fafida hasn't been good in a couple
of years. Guess what solves that? Playing Oklahoma State. Noah

(01:13:53):
Fafida welcome back to having a dude performance and absolutely was.
I'm gonna put Ty Simpson in there. I'm gonna put
I mentioned Byron Brown going for three hundred and seventy
some odd total yards, ran for one sixty two. Jam
Miller Alabama with the big improvement on the ground, and
he was a major reason obviously why along with that
offensive line. Carnell Tait went for over one hundred and

(01:14:14):
eighty yards against a Minnesota defense that had thus far
been pretty good. Hank Batty continues to make plays for Illinois.
I thought he was super impressive. Michael Trigg for Baylor
got a couple of votes to Sean Singleton for Nebraska.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Two picks.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Six tackles and a scoop and score that was called
back per chance on Twitter or whatever it's called now.
Dallas Wilson one game one dude performance, pretty good, ratio
not bad. I'm trying to think of anybody else. Jacob
Rodriguez got a bunch for Texas Tech, and you're in
my Los Angeles Dodgers full of dudes winning Game one

(01:14:50):
against the Phillies.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Come on, by the way, a crazy stat on bear
Bachmeyer that I saw.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Please so they win? To be clear, Tiger Bachmeyer's brother.
Tiger Bachmeyer's brother.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
Yes, bear Bachmeyer starting quarterback number forty seven, which is
weird for BYU steps in after Retsliff leaves. He's been
pretty good. This was a really good game for him
at three hundred and fifty one yards. I am going
to start referring to him as the Bear. I've started
pulling sounds from the show FYI.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
The show The Bear. I haven't finished season whatever it
was for yet. I won't spoil it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I promise I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
That's not why I bring this up, though. Bear Bachmeyer
connected with Chase Roberts laid in the second quarter for
an eighty five yard pass and ended up setting up
a touchdown for LJ. Martin. That play was BYU's longest
pass completion since nineteen ninety six. Dan, so it's been

(01:15:45):
a hot minute since they had an eighty five yard completion.
But yes, we've got the bear. We've got Chase Roberts
an eighty five yarder set up the touchdown most importantly,
But it's been a hot minute nineteen ninety six since
they had that one of a pass completion. There you go,
great case looks for them you are wondering always. Big

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(01:16:50):
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(01:17:12):
to what we saw in week six. There was just
gonna be a lot of motion. There's going to be
a lot of movement, and as we have seen time
and again, it feels like our poll is pretty damn accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I love a limberpool.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I'm really proud of our community for the job they
do with this poll. I'm going to give out a
few other free ballots to people online who have expressed
some interest as well, just to get some more diversity
of thought in there and hopefully get the most accurate
pole in all of college football. But if you're interested
in participating for Ballers dot Com is where you can go.
You also get the satisfaction of supporting with Dan and

(01:17:44):
I do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
What a guy, Tye is?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
What a guy? What a guy you are? Dan, I'm
glad you're feeling better at least for me too. All righty,
that does it for a week six reaction episode. Thank
you again so much for bearing with us here. More
to come on Tuesday as we round the corner then
into week seven, looks like it's going to be a banger. Damn.
It's like a lot of them are going to be

(01:18:08):
bangers moving forwards, so we've got them a lot more
football still to come. We hope you will be there
with us for baller hood. In the meantime, Enjoy the
rest of your evening, Enjoy the rest of your day,
whenever it is you're listening to this For that guy
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