WEEK 8 REACTIONS: Miami Loses, Alabama & Georgia Prevail + Top 25 Chaos | College Football - The Solid Verbal College Football

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the solid verbal hull. That for me, I'm
a man, I'm forty.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
be happy.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
You want to be happy for day Edo State?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Whoa whoam and Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein. You know,
over half of the ap top twenty five was in
serious peril in week eight. We had nine of the
top twenty five, four of the top ten lose. We
had four other teams spread out across the top twenty

(00:35):
five that at some point or another were in serious
danger of losing. This is seemingly becoming a trend. Now,
this is like a couple straight weeks of this. It's
really playing on the nerves. It's great if you're a
college football siccle like you and I and we need
stuff to talk about. But holy hell, this thing is

(00:57):
ramping up. This thing is getting crazy. We're only about
midway through October. Dan, there is a long way to go,
my friend. Welcome back to you, Welcome back to one
and all who have downloaded, who have supported. Some of
you may be watching live out on YouTube. If so,
we will be taking some of your questions a little
bit later on in this broadcast. Dan, But yes, welcome back,

(01:20):
my friend. How are you. I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
If you're watching live, you might be split screening it
or quad boxing it with the pride of the Patriot
League Lafayette their Leopards taking it to the anchor of
the New pac twelve Oregon State on the Road, Lafayette
up thirteen ten at halftime a time of recording. I'm good.
This was a relentless week eight. To me, this was

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from the start, from the jump. You can go back
to Tuesday, you can go to Thursday, you can go
to Friday, you can go all day Saturday. It was
unrelenting and NonStop, and I've got a lot of thoughts,
as I'm sure everybody watching live, listening after the fact,
co hosting with me. I'm sure everybody does. Let's upload

(02:10):
and download. It's really difficult.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, when we do these reaction streams at midnight to
organize our thoughts in some sort of timely fashion and
furthermore put them down on a document in some way
that makes logical sense. Yeah, because nothing that we have
seen over the last couple weeks has made a whole
lot of logical sense. We have a lot of weird results.
You mentioned Lafayette's up at halftime, like we have Stanford's up. Yeah,

(02:38):
Stanford's up. We have seen a lot of stuff like
that over the last couple of weeks, and as we
get deeper into conference slates, obviously as we happen upon
some odd circumstances that only occur the deeper we get
into the conference schedules. It my sense is that this

(02:58):
isn't going to go away anytime soon. It doesn't matter
if the slate when we preview it on a Tuesday
or a Thursday, appears as if there aren't going to
be any killer games on it. This just keeps happening, Dan,
where the games keep finding us. We're not necessarily finding them,
and they're all kind of crazy. So it's great if
you're a college football fan. We're going to talk through,

(03:20):
you know, like eight of the big games that really
jumped out to us. There are far too many to
go into detail on if we want to try and
do all of the games across college football. Of course,
anything now all of them, well, anything that we don't
get to on the reaction stream will try to build
into what we talk about on Tuesday and Thursday of
the coming week. But you know, for our purposes here,

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and I guess just for the sanity of those watching
it listening, let's try to confine it to the like
eight biggest games and maybe some honorable mentions that jumped
out to us as we watch college football Week eight.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
All right, it's an interim type of season. Obviously, coaches
are being fired left and right. Alex Mortensen, you Ab, yeah,
baby go the Blazers. South's Jerry Neuheisel, right, NEPO success
all over the place. Alex Morrison, the son of the
late great Chris Mortenson. Okay, where but UAB did beat

(04:16):
undefeated Memphis.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
We showed a wild game too. That was a wild
freaking was the crazy game.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Memphis looked like they were going to tie the score
late and between penalties and you know, knees being down.
It didn't happen from Memphis, but a crazy game at
the end. Good for UAB after they fired Trent til
for to get that w against a headline opponent. Of course,
a great performance especially through the air for the Blazers. Okay, uh,

(04:42):
where else would you like to start? Why don't we
start on Friday night?

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Dan?

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Let's why don't we start on Friday night. Miami was
about a two touchdown favorite at home, and we had
joked about the traffic situation in Miami. What's the stadium
gonna look like?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
A pretty good, pretty good thing for me? Right to
look up traffic patterns ahead of this game.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I would expect nothing less, my friend, Thank you very much,
a little insight. Miami was a heavy favorite hosting Louisville,
and this was a game in which we have seen
Miami over the years just an odd result. It's not
always a loss, right, not always the kind of thing
that you even remember, sure, but these are the types

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of games that if Miami is truly back, if they
are back to being the U and the swagger has returned,
these are the types of games that they need to
win going away. Okay, Louisville snapped Miami's ten game home
winning streak. They won this game twenty four to twenty one.
You may recall one member of this dynamic duo talked

(05:49):
about this last Tuesday that or last I guess Thursday,
that Jeff Brohm doesn't typically get out coached in games
like this, they always win. But they would be ready
for Miami, and as such, they pulled out all the
stops here. We had a fake reverse and a fake
field goal on the opening drive. Yes, we had three

(06:11):
different guys take snaps at quarterback. For Louisville, it felt
like they had Miami on their heels the entire game
for the majority of the game at a bare minimum.
So on top of that, it was a good game
for Miller Moss, it was a really good game for
Isaac Brown, with the exception of a crucial fumble in
the fourth quarter. And it was a huge win for

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the Louisville Cardinals, who now suddenly are thrust into the
ACC Championship conversation by knocking off the presumed best team
in the ACC, despite the fact that they were a
thirteen and a half point dog.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yes, uninspired performance in a lot of different facets. Offensively,
which is nothing to say of the turnovers for Miami
on offense, but defensively, Miami needed to adjust more, but
it wasn't catastrophic. There was way too much Isaac Brown,
I'm sure for the fans of Miami's liking way too

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much Chris Bell, but this wasn't an explosive, consistent performance
from Louisville's offense. It was a good performance from Louisville's offense,
Miami wasn't really able to adjust and get in the
faces of receivers all too often. The tackling wasn't amazing,
wasn't the best tackling day for Miami, but the game
was still despite the turnovers. And by the way, it

(07:27):
was four turnovers, four interceptions for Carson Beck five if
we don't count the TICKI tac roughing the past, so
that didn't even get a flag. It didn't get a flag.
It just had refs talking with each other, huddling up
football term to discuss a penalty after the fact. It
was a really, really bad day for Carson Beck. And
we're not defined by our worst days, We're not defined

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by our best days. This was Carson Beck's clear worst
day as a college football quarterback. And even though Louisville
I don't believe scored any points off of those interceptions,
certainly those are potential points off the board for Miami,
So huge difference maker for the Canes with rest at home,

(08:10):
nothing short of especially on offense, wildly disappointing for a
Friday night. They couldn't run the ball, They didn't really
try to run the ball with any sort of creativity.
I think it was they run for sixty someond yards
sixty three yards.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
It was two point six per carry.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Two point six per carry, And I can imagine that
if you're a Miami fan, you are overwhelmed with disgust
for what you watch from this Miami team offensively and again,
it was a horrible night for Carson Beck. Doesn't mean
he's a horrible quarterback, doesn't mean Miami is suddenly going
to be horrible on offense. But I saw people calling

(08:47):
him Arson Beck, colon setting dreams on fire, and I
didn't think that was right. I didn't I first of all,
I just like he's still a college kid and we
have to respect the process of what Miami's going through.
So it was horrible, and this does changed the outlook
for Miami's season. They've got a couple of tough road
games ahead. They need some losses now to break tie breakers.

(09:11):
They'll be okay. I think we should come away and
pressed with Louisville's resolve on the road again, winning at
Miami for the second consecutive time, second consecutive visit and
coming up with those big plays late and got met
Carson Beck at the end in the presser sort of
alluding to the fact that the receiver ran the wrong route.

(09:31):
There was a good play for the pressure package that
Louisville was showing. It's like, you can't complain about that
when you have three four other picks. You just you
got a tough look. It wasn't my night. I have
a lot of regrets.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, it's a tough look. I mean, I get the frustration.
Like you say, he's still a young guy. I understand
where he's coming from. But more to the point on
Louisville and the coaching job that they did, and I
guess to further emphasize the whole notion that Jeff Brown
is a really good big game coach. Yeah, he doesn't
get out coach in these situations. Taylor McGregor, I don't

(10:05):
know if you saw this, but asked him after the game,
what was your game plan? You know, why were you
so successful? What was the game plan? And he basically
said that they wanted to make Carson Beck throw it more.
They wanted to make Carson Beck beat him through the air. Now,
obviously Miami is a crazy amount of weaponry out wide,
Like Malachi Tony's incredible, and he's a true freshman. He
just turned eighteen. They mentioned that a couple times on
the broadcast a couple of weeks ago. He's going to

(10:27):
have an amazing college career. Miami is not short on
any of these athletes. But it seemed as though Jeff
Brom saw something on the tape. He wanted to put
Carson Beck in a position where he had to beat them,
and lo and behold, he finishes with four interceptions. Now, look,
we have a lot of Miami people that watch and
comment on these videos and are very active in the verballerhood.

(10:49):
I want them to know that this is not these
comments are not intended to start any kind of dunk contest. Okay,
I'm ready come on to Everything that you brought to
this conversation is one hundred percent accurate. Okay. And for sure,
when your quarterback throws four interceptions against a good team,
even if the good team is not converting those into points,
you're gonna lose that game. More often than that. That's

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tough to come back from against a decent opponent. O. Great,
Certainly a lot of the blame for this loss belongs
to Carson Beck. Yeah, but also in case you're wondering
about the source of our Mario crystal ball jokes. Mario, Yeah,

(11:31):
Miami had the ball at the end of the game.
They did with all their timeouts about a minute and
a half. I think it was maybe might have been
a minute and forty five left yep, midfield. You've got
a ten million dollar quarterback or whatever they're paying them.
They've got an offense that's been nails all season long,
one of the best, if not the best, in the country.

(11:52):
You've got an offensive line that maybe wasn't quite as
dominant against Louisville, but is still one of the best
in college football. They had every advantage in that situation.
Chrysto Ball ran cluck.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
I mean they were inside the thirty five, right, kind
of played over time left, they were letting the clock wind.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
I mean, look again, they were inside, they were paying
for overtime. They played for overtime. They weren't taking shots,
they were playing for overtime.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
What is that? What is that? I would expect this
Miami team would be better than that. And I think
if I were a fan of Miami, I would be wondering,
why are we playing for a long field goal here? Right, why,
like why they had a lot of momentum at the
end of that game. By the way, they did long drive,

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they got the fumble from Isaac Brown, they got the
short touchdown. It seemed as though things were very much
going in Miami's direction. They had to wind at their
back and again we see this ultra conservative play calling
down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
But I mean, not too defend whatever that was being
thought about on the sideline. Thinking that like, oh, Carson
Beck in this passing game is the answer and their
nails and they're going to finish this off is not
necessarily the most obvious way of looking at the situation.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Here, and especially especially since he had a rough night.
I get that, that's what I'm saying, Okay, I get
that this wasn't the only situation in this game, Dan,
there were earlier situations where they were settling for field
goals as well. Yeah, so, I don't know. I just
thought this was the epitome of why we have made
the jokes. And Miami people could yell at me if
they want, Yeah, right, there's plenty of blame to go around,

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But that, in particular to me, really stuck out, really
stuck out as something that frustrated me, not really having
a dog in the fight, okay, and I just I'd
be curious to hear from Miami people, so if I'm wrong,
let me know. But otherwise that was sort of my impression. Again,
your final score was twenty four to twenty one. That
was how we kicked off this weekend. The number two

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team in the AP poll goes down. There were a
number of other games, obviously that we mentioned that I
think rose to the same level as being just earth
shattering in some way, shape or form shattering.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Are we getting to show Heyotani now, is that what
you're talking about? That's what I was watching at the
same time.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
We could probably do an hour fifty you know, show
a and uh, I'm not even a Dodgers fanly that
was ridiculous. Oh man, okay, where are we going? Georgia
wins forty three to thirty five over Old Miss. This
was the highest ranked matchup of the day to top
ten teams going at it. I think I had Ole Miss.

(14:39):
Did you have Georgia in this one? Did you pick Georgian?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
I think I had Old Miss covering Okay, but I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
I don't remember who I had winning. I did not.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I did not see this going forty three to thirty five.
I can tell you that no Dan talk about a shootout,
my friend, good hell. Defense was extreme optional in this game.
You did not need to bring defense if you wanted
to win this game. Old Miss could not stop anything.

(15:08):
Georgia was at least able to contain the run and
put the game on the arm of Trinidad Chambliss. Trinidad
Chambliss was solid for the most part. I thought he
played another pretty good game. Eventually Georgia found a way
to kind of lock him down in the fourth quarter.
They got a couple stops. It was just enough to give.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Them that separation and eventually win again by eight points.
What were your impressions of this game? This was kind
of back and forth. There were a lot of points.
It did not go the way I expected. I thought
this would be lower scoring, more defensive minded, and I
have thoughts on that that we can discuss. But what
were your takeaways?

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Basically that the Georgia defense when they needed to make
plays in the fourth quarter was absolutely everywhere. They were
getting hands and arms and limbs in the way of passes.
They were making plays on the ground, we came in
and discussed that what Georgia has done well on defense,
which hasn't been you know, a big thing for them

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succeeding on defense this season, they have stopped the run,
and where Ole Miss has succeeded against the better defenses
that they've played against this year, it's been Kawan Lacy
on the ground, Trinidad Chambliss scrambling. And there was nothing
there against this Georgia team now, and that was for
the majority of the game. There were plays here and there,
but that was not anything that Ole Miss could hang
their hats on. And that, I mean, the biggest takeaway,

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and I don't know how there's anything else here to
take away, is that Gunner Stockton is a closer. He
is an absolute that's from nails closer.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
That's exactly what I wrote down.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
And so just you know, not turning the ball over,
making plays, improvising with his legs, with his arms down field,
you know, spreading the ball around. The play calling seemed
to be more varied than usual for Mike Bobo, you know,
finding ways to get receivers the ball in a variety
of different looks that there was just something about Georgia

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finishing and there were times, and this is it was
not always for ole Miss. It just seemed that the
Georgia legs were more active. There was more electricity to
the Georgia legs on both sides of the ball in
the fourth quarter than ole Miss at times. And I
don't know if that's a home field thing. I don't
know if that's a confidence thing. I don't know if
that's an exhaustion thing from ole Miss, But there was

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something about there was some some sort of buzzing that
came across on screen about where George's energy level was
late that really came through the screen for me. And
so Gunner Stockton was incredible. He was an absolute closer.
And for them to do that in this kind of
back and forth where it actually really looked like ole
Miss was gonna win this game, I thought they were

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coming up with big plays. It was to Jean Stribbling,
I think that what Oklahoma State transfer, right, They're they're
utilizing different dudes in different ways, Trey Wallace, and it
looked like they were going to go in there and
steal it, and to Georgie's credit, they just wouldn't allow it.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Gunner Stockton was twenty six of thirty one passing for
four touchdowns. He also added ten carries for fifty nine
yards and a touchdown on the ground. One thing that
jumped out to me, and it occurred again as I
watched Alabama knockoff Tennessee this evening. Some of the best

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versions of Georgia and Alabama that we've seen over the
years gave off this era of inevitability. Yep, now it's different.
It's different this time around. Okay, I don't think anybody
thinks Georgia or Alabama or a bulletproof that was how
it used to feel. Maybe in the modern era with
nil and the transfer portal and all that, that's kind

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of gone by the wayside. But there is a different
sense of inevitability with these two teams. In fact, the
only time we didn't see it is when they played
each other, But when they're playing everybody else, you just
get this sense, especially with Georgia because we've seen it
a couple times now, they're just going to figure out
a way to do it right. They're just going to
figure out a way to do it. And that was

(19:06):
my overarching impression of this Georgia team. They've been in
a couple of games like this now where the defense
goes out the window. They just need an extra stop,
They just need a big play. As you say, off
and winning is a skill. It is a skill. And however,
Georgia is getting these wins okay, whether it's by scoring

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forty three points or twenty points. I mean, they have
really been adaptable to the situation. And they now find
themselves where they knocked off a top five team, They've
only got one loss. They are clearly going to catapult
up a couple notches at least in the polls, if
not end up as a top five team when the
latest batch of polls come out. This is one of

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those teams. It's very formidable now, not to say that
there was any impression that they wouldn't be. It is
still Georgia, but the ways that they are winning these games,
you could definitely take one in a vacuum and say, ah,
they got a little bit lucky there. But we are
starting to see more and more of this from Georgia.
Doesn't mean that their bulletproof, but it does mean that

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they are good at finding ways to get the dub
and I think they need to be commended for that.
I really do. This is a good Old Miss team.
This is an Old Miss team that's going to continue
winning a bunch of games. I agree. I thought for
a while there they were gonna end up stealing this
one from Georgia. But Elijah is Georgia finds a way.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Georgia has treated this season as if they are playing
an old RPG. I didn't play a lot of RPGs.
But they're collecting gemstones and shields and weapons in creeks
and in forests and in general stores. However, they need
to assemble everything that they find along their journey. They're
doing it. Whether it's the Tennessee game, whether it's the

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Auvereign game, whether it's the Old Miss game. They're finding
ways to sort of fill up their win satchel tie.
Thank you, Hi, Dan Rubenstein, I'm running to be your college.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Okay, continue forty three two thirty five? Was your final,
really really nice winner for the Georgia Bulldogs. I just
think it's interesting to look at what Georgia has left. Okay,
we're only about halfway through the season now, maybe a
little bit over it depending on the team, but like
they've got a Florida team still on the schedule in
a rivalry spot. They're on the road at Mississippi State,

(21:21):
they're home against Texas, they're home against Charlotte. They've got
a neutral site game to close out the year against
Georgia Tech. There's a pretty good chance that the most
losable game on that remaining slate is a non conference
game against Georgia Tech. Could because I have no idea
what state Florida is, and even though they were in
a close one and you know, at times, wow, maybe

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we can talk about that one. Maybe not, but Mississippi State.
Mississippi State's been a tough out, but I still think
George is better. Texas will get to Texas. But that's
a winnable game for the Georgia Bulldogs.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Hey, look, a lot of teams sometimes don't look great
against Kentucky but pull out win against Kentucky. That's sort
of the Mark stoops, you know, mantra like we're not
gonna guess, I guess holding you down to our level.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I don't know. Texas has been playing a lot of
Kentucky's this year, so true, for whatever that's worth to you. Again,
Georgia forty three, oll miss thirty five. Let's stay in
the top ten. Let's go over the big twelve. This
is a wild frigging game, Dan, Yeah, this is Arizona
State twenty six Texas Tech twenty two. So if you

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didn't watch, here's what happened. Texas Tech storms back from
a twelve point hole late in the game. They take
a lead twenty two to nineteen. Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Oh, and by the way, let's back up just real quick.
Sam Levitt is essentially a Friday morning decision.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Yes right.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
It was Jeff Simms last week and they got shellacked.
Sam Levitt does not look fully healthy, but looks gutty
and aggressive in any way he can given his injuries.
And it is not a Baron Morton game for Texas Tech.
It is a Will Hammond game, starting at quarterback, who
looked great in that Utah game but in subsequent reps
and appearances has looked less than stellar.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
They give the ball back to Sam Levitt with a
twenty two to nineteen lead. In eighty six seconds. He
drives the field ten plays seventy five yards. It is
mostly Sam Levitt and Jordan Tyson. Jordan Tyson, by the way,
he is playing a one leg out there. He got
he was injured he was limping around most of the
second half. They cap that off a touchdown run with

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thirty four seconds left from ray Leak Brown. In the end,
ASU wins twenty six to twenty two, again another top
ten team going down. The fans storm the field. I
think they tore down the goalposts. On the point of
Sam Levitt, You're right, he was, like you said a
Friday morning decision. One of the reasons that I thought

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we both favored Texas Tech in this game was a
point that you brought up about Sam Levitt was even
if he were going to play, given the fact that
he just had a boot on his leg, we didn't
expect that Sam Levitt would be the best of Sam Levitt,
which is he likes to move around, He'll throw his
body around. He plays a very physical brand of quarterback.

(24:20):
We did see a little bit more of that than
I expected, right, and it was physical. Yeah. There were
comments from Kenny Dillingham earlier in the week that he
was getting first team reps, and we kind of side
eyed that because we heard that a week prior. But
Kenny Dillingham did make mention of the fact that sam
Levitt looked a lot more like himself, and that was
kind of my impression here just watching him out there.

(24:41):
Maybe not one hundred percent, but definitely looked more like
the Sam Levitt that I think everybody gets so excited about.
And certainly on that final drive where they went down
the field seventy five yards very quickly, it was all
the reasons that people have been excited about ASU, you know,
especially on offense, they were able to get the job
done in a really big way. And then if you

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look at it, I guess from the other perspective, like
Tech couldn't really do much on offense until later in
this game. They finished with less than three hundred yards
to seventy six, give or take.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Maybe I got that number wrong, but uneven play calling
an execution I would say Uneeden. Again, it wasn't until
late that they really switched this on. I think the
combination of not really getting much, if anything going on
the ground with Will Hammond getting the start, it just
it felt like they were very arrhythmic. It felt like

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Arizona State had a good game plan to try and
love myth by the way.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Thank you. It just felt like Arizona stated a really
good game plan for what they expected Texas Tech was
going to try and do on offense and you know,
came on late, but ultimately weren't able to get the
job done. It was Arizona State winning this one at home,
getting a big dub.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
It was, by the way, that play. I think it
was Sam l It rolling out to the right on
fourth and two, Jordan Tyson sort of improvising going down
the sideline for a big gain on again, you mentioned
one leg, but yeah, it was Sam Levitt, just the
plays that he made, throwing the ball downfield. I know
I make these baseball illusions all the time, right, but
it looked like a right fielder in the corner just

(26:18):
throwing everything he had into a throw to get it home,
you know, throwing internal organs around to get it downfield.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
And it worked.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
There is something gutty and there is something that you
see sort of Kenny Dillingham's personality shining through with this team.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Really really, I.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Don't think it again, I don't think it changes much
for the Big twelve and for Texas Tech. I know
it's going to affect tiebreakers now right. It's a Utah
destroys Texas Tech. Late, excuse me, Texas Tech destroys Utah
Late Utah destroys Arizona State, albeit without Sam Levitt, and
now as you beats Texas Tech. So we always knew

(26:56):
this was going to be a sort of mess at
the top because there are enough quality teams in the
Big twelve. We'll see what happens. Obviously we had Holy
Warts tonight as well, which will affect things. But I
think Texas Tech is in, depending on Baron Morton's health
moving forward, which is perennial career question for Baron Morton
and Texas Tech. I think Texas Tech is still a pace.

(27:17):
I never thought they were going to go twelve. And oh,
I don't think Texas Tech fans really anticipated them going
undefeated throughout the season, even though hopes, you know, obviously
were raised and expectations were raised these first few games.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
I don't think it changes much.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Texas Tech at full quality and if they're calling a
good game, can beat a lot of teams in this country.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
One hundred percent. And this is a really nice win
for Arizona State. You know, I asked you as I
think falling off a little bit just in terms of
the national conversation because of some of the losses and
some of the games they've played here in the early winning.
But just when yeah, you win a game like this,
you get back on the radar back and the conversation
pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Where do you want to go next? Let's go LSU
Vanderbilt if that's okay with you.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Look, we both called this one. Did you have LSU winning? Though? No,
we both said that Vandi both said Vandy outright? Okay? Continue?
And it still feels weird, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Not?

Speaker 1 (28:20):
If you watch Vandy play man, I know, but it
still feels weird to me. It still feels weird, much
like Indiana still feels weird for a lot of people.
Vandy still feels weird to me. It feels weird to
be having this conversation about Vandy, especially when they're playing
against a team like an LSU. Vandy wins thirty one
to twenty four are read again. When we did the

(28:41):
preview on Thursday, was Vandy's the better team right now?
Lo and behold, Vandy was the better team on Saturday.
What I found most interesting about this game sort of
separate from the nuts and bolts and the stats that
maybe we can get into if we want to, this
game to me was the perfect example of how Vandy

(29:03):
wants to play football. Certainly, this was their blueprint executed
to a tea and we've talked about it, and I
know I keep talking about this bonus episode that we
did probably a month ago now, where we did a
deep dive of everything that Vandy does offensively and how
it all works together. That's at our patreon at for

(29:24):
bowlers dot com, Good plug Solid. I'm not trying to
sell anybody in anything, but but it's interesting to me
that we saw this play out the way that we did.
The blueprint is very simple for Vandy. They want to
dominate time of possession, they want to limit how many
drives and opponent can get, and they basically want to
force everybody themselves included, to be super efficient. If you

(29:49):
want to win, you've got to be super efficient. You
can beat Vandy, but you just got to be buttoned up.
LSU only got eight drives in this game. For context,
they've been averaging a little over eleven drives per game. Now,
that may not sound like a lot, but again, that's

(30:10):
three fewer bites at the Apple if you're LSU. And
by the way, this is an LSU team that has
struggled for the vast majority of the season on offense. Right,
So Vandy did what Vandy does and they forced LSU
to be better. And LSU had some nice moments in
this game, but Vandy ends up rushing for two hundred

(30:31):
and thirty nine yards. Vandy controls time of possession. I
just mentioned how Vandy limited how many opposing possessions they surrendered.
They also scored thirty one points because they were efficient
in their own right when they had the ball. That's
the most anybody has scored on the LSU defense so
far this season, and it's kind of not even close.

(30:52):
So again, they had a plan. They have a very
strong sense of self. They have an identity, and this
is the value of having that identity. If you have it,
if you can execute it, if you can sort of
live by that credo, you can do what Vandy's doing.
Kudos to them, man, this is a big friggin win
at home. Yes, good for Clarkly.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
By the way, you mentioned that it's the most points
that LSU has allowed this season. It's the most points
LSU has scored against a Power Conference opponent this year,
twenty four.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
So there's that. Look LSU struggled.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
You mentioned you can't donate to Vanderbilt if you're gonna
beat Vandy, and there were too many donations. And you know,
as as talented as LSU looks like they can be,
at times, they'll get one or two long runs here
or there, but they're never controlling the game with their offense.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
And when you.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
See that ten or you see that eight or that
fourteen next to their name, that's why people have been
skeptical of this LSU team, because there's only so much
you can do with it defense and a hopeful offense
rather than an established offense. And you'll get those, you know,
once a season type performances or type play like it

(32:10):
was what Xavi and Thomas who somehow ran through seven
different Vandy players on a broken dice. That was an
incredible It's an unreal individual effort, incredible, incredible. But LSU
needs that to win big or sizable games, and it's
just impossible to count on. And I almost I feel

(32:31):
bad for Garrett and Asmeyer and the way that I
felt bad for you know, LSU has this weird way
of producing these quarterbacks or developing these quarterbacks good bad
somewhere in between. So you go back to Max Johnson,
you go back to even Jaden Daniels, Like, they get
their quarterbacks abused at LSU, and even when they succeed,

(32:53):
they get hit. Garrett Asmeyer was hit by Vandy a
ton in this one. And so I don't know, man,
you talk about the Vandy blueprint, it's still sort of like,
let Diago Pavia figure it out.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
And some go yes.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
And sometimes it works famously with his legs, with his
improvising the huge screen at the end of the game
across the field, he makes clutch throws. He somehow has
a nose for the first down, marker, nose for the
end zone, knows for big plays. They're not bombing the
ball down field. No, that's not a part of this offense. No,
They're just consistently finding ways to elongate these drives. And

(33:34):
it's it's damn impressive, it really is.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I mean, I think Clark Lee to that point deserves
a lot of credit because upon bringing Diago Pavia, Yeah,
Diego Pavia over, they did sort of build around him.
You know, they have been very good at highlighting what
he is good at, and as such they have kind

(33:58):
of developed this philosophy that has been working very well
now over the last two years. I'm very curious to
see where Vandy ends up in the latest round of polling.
Because lsu Sure love of them or Hayden was a
top ten team, Vandy was number seventeen in the ap pole.
It would not surprise me one bit if we see
Vandy take a gigantic leap. I don't think they're going

(34:18):
to get all the way up into the top ten.
But if we're having this conversation on Tuesday and Vandy's
like number twelve in the country, I don't think anybody
should be surprised by that. I'm curious to see where
Averballer Pole ranks Vandy. You know, there's a lot of
Vandy Diehard's out there in the verballerhood, people who are
just fascinated with this story, which will probably give them

(34:40):
a little bit more of a boost. But this is
a legitimate team. They're very very solid. You know, they
might not knock you over with explosiveness, with playmakers, with anything,
but they play really well as a team. They have
a very strong identity, and they're just good at doing
what they do.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
So they have left the most fascinating schedule.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Vandy has. I'm glad you're bringing this up. I'm glad
you're bringing this up.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
A Missou team who knows? Who knows? After Missoo's overtime
win against Auburn tonight, they've got a Texas team on
the road. Who knows? After Texas's overtime win against Kentucky,
they have an Auburn team, elite loser. Let's just be clear.
Auburn is a bloodhound for losses. They will sniff out
a loss, no matter how much you think that's buried

(35:26):
in the in the forest, in the jungle, in the Sahara.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
They have that that knows for your elite losers as.
I don't know how they keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
They have Kentucky and they finished on the road at Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
What a fascinating schedule. It's great.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Did I say, Diago? Is that what I said?

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Diago? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Maybe, I'm just I've seen Anchorman so many times with
San Diego.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I was just worked up. I don't know what to
tell you. You mentioned Tennessee. Let's talk about the Bama
Tennessee game. Sure, Uh, Bama wins this one going away.
I was wrong. I had it in my head that
Tennessee was going to pull the outright upset. For a
while I was thinking they might cover, but Alas, this
was Alabama doing what Alabama does. Speaking of the pixie

(36:11):
dust that I mentioned a little bit ago with Georgia,
and speaking of what I just talked about with Vandy
having a pretty strong identity knowing what you are, I
think they're becoming acquainted with what they aren't. Certainly they're
not much of a rushing team, but they have been
crazy efficient and crazy productive and just a damn hard

(36:33):
out when it comes to Tye Simpson putting the ball
in his hands, distributing it out to their playmakers. Against
everybody that they have played so far, it is a really,
really difficult asked to try and cover those guys. I still,
for the life me don't understand the Florida State thing. Okay,
but that was with week one man, and Week one

(36:53):
is like not of this earth. It's always a little
bit wonky. They have graduated past that. I think the
version of Alabama that we see now, it's look Tennessee
didn't play a bad game in my opinion, sure didn't win.
They clearly could have done some stuff better. But the
thought that kept bouncing around in my head is Oh,
Alabama is just a more perfectly evolved version of Tennessee.

(37:17):
Like you know how when you watch Shark Week, I
know you're a big shark guy, right, of course, when
you watch Shark Week, they talk often about how sharks
are perfectly evolved over the course of like millions of years. Yeah,
I'm an orca guy myself, but continue right, Sharks and
orca is inextricably linked, of course, Yeah, of course, but Bama.
Dama's not reached that shark level of evolution. But it

(37:40):
just feels to me like each time I watch Ty
Simpson he gets a little bit better and a little
bit more confident. I think that's a really dangerous thing
for the other teams in the SEC.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Also dangerous throwing the ball to Zaby and Brown right
before the half in an opportunity to score before the
half and have it be returned ninety ten yards the
other way. That changes calculus and I'll push back a
little bit. I know jam Miller and it was good
to have him back. We didn't do anything but coming
back from he was concussed last week or concussion type symptoms.

(38:11):
Alabama was creative in trying to figure out the run
at times utilizing you know, Jeremy Bernard utilizing I think
Ryan Williams had an end around, Daniel Hill had some
some action, and ty Simpson had some gutty runs. They're
not incompetent. It's just not part of their strength. It's

(38:32):
not part of their repertoire right now. And so we
saw that a little bit with Kaylin de Boor when
he took Washington to the National Championship Game and that
team evolved, They ran better as the season evolved, and
so I sort of anticipated some of that with Alabama
moving forward.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
But uh, great win.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Obviously we got to see the Stogies get lit up
at the end.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I saw that was free neat. I mean Tennessee fan,
not your Tennessee one of the cool things, one of
the cool traditions. It called smoke them.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
If you got them, and uh yeah there. There definitely
is something more confident, more decisive about where Tom ty
Simpson is now compared to even a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah. I think it's legit, and I think Tennessee's legit too.
Like they ran the ball pretty well with the Sean Bishop. Oh,
they definitely did. Joey Aguilar is not a perfect quarterback,
but he's a very good quarterback. And I thought, for
the most part, with the exception of that backbreaking pick
that he threw, mostly a pretty good game, a good

(39:33):
game for Braylen Stanley as well at ten catches. On
the Tennessee side, it's still a very good Tennessee team
that can control the line of scrimmage with its defense.
Ah ah, can can can?

Speaker 3 (39:48):
It has not been like can. I don't think you
can watch this Tennessee team and come away saying like
they can like it happens. But I'm not sure that
this is something you want to include in the table
of contents when you look at the bibliography of Tennessee season,
that this is a team that has the ability to
defend when it's been a struggle kind of more often

(40:11):
than not.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Let me say this, Yeah, you bring up a valid point.
I thought they could, Okay, fair, all right, I thought
they could. But Alabama scored thirty seven points, Arkansas a
week ago scored thirty one points, Mississippi State scored thirty
four points, Georgia scored forty four points. They have given

(40:36):
up a lot of points this defense, And to that end,
I would say you're right to that end. They have
definitely underwhelmed. I expected the defense to be a little
bit more of a strength. I still believe that they
can improve, and I still believe they've got enough talent
to be good the rest of the way. Speaking of like,

(40:57):
really fascinating schedules for Tennessee. And they've got two losses now,
but on the road at Kentucky next week, They've got
a game against Oklahoma at home. They've got New Mexico State,
which should be a win. They're on the road at Florida.
They've got the game, the rivalry game against Vandy at
home to close out the year. I could come up

(41:19):
with about a thousand different ways that those remaining games
could go for Tennessee. And so I think they're gonna
be one of the more interesting teams to watch in
the SEC now moving forward, it's a good team. Be
interesting to see how they play against the remainder of
that schedule. Where do you want to go? You want
to do USC, Notre Dame. We can do whatever you want.

(41:43):
Come on tis to USC Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
Okay, holy hell, Okay, next game?

Speaker 1 (41:53):
How much of this did you watch? Pretty much the
entire thing.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Look, I'm I'm watching like six games at a time
when you have the schedule with we had tonight, right,
I have Miszoo Auburn going, I have Holy War going,
I have Tennessee Bama going. I watched, you know, the
first half ish of Oregon Rutgers that got out of
control very quickly, speaking of Ancherman, right, it escalated very quickly,
it did. I was watching six to eleven games at

(42:18):
any given time, just cycling through the quad box and
then through the main screen. So I watched a good
amount of this.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
CJ. Carr was not good for Notre Dame. He was
not in the rain. In the rain, I mean the
rain picked up the deeper this game went. He seemed
pretty keyed up early, was not accurate making his throws.
I can imagine if you are out there tuning in
for this game, maybe you're a USC fan, maybe you're

(42:47):
just a college football fan who appreciates a good rivalry
hearing all of this hubbub about CJ. Carr and watching
this version of CJ. Carr and sort of shrugging like
that's it, that's right, that's what we're getting. This was
about the worst we've seen of CJ. Carr. I don't
know if it was quite on the same level as

(43:08):
the Miami game earlier in the year or not, but
this was not a good showing for him. Where Notre
Dame really earned its keeper was on the ground between
Jeremiah Love and Jadarian Price forty four carries three hundred
and six yards seven or seven seven yards per carry
in three touchdowns, So it was Jeremiah Love leading the

(43:30):
way two twenty eight on the ground. He got the
majority of the work Jadarion Price at eighty seven. Jadarian
Price also had a long kickoff return for a touchdown
that sort of gave the momentum back to Notre Dame.
After USC appeared as if they were going to start
taking the lead and maybe distancing themselves a little bit.
So I thought this was a clunker masquerading as a

(43:54):
bit of a shootout, is what I said to you,
Because even though there were elements of Notre Dames offense
that were really effective, Yeah, USC was able to move
the ball pretty well on him. You know, USC's offense
is still a real deal. They were able to move
the ball pretty well on them. I thought pretty much
everybody outside of Leonard Moore in the secondary had a

(44:17):
really hard time keeping up with those USC wide receivers.
Jacobe Lane had a really good game six for one
to eleven. Even mackay Lemon got in on the action.
You know, had one long run where he kind of
got some separation from Leonard Moore, who was on him
most of the game. But to me, this brought up

(44:37):
a real question about the Notre Dame defense against better offenses.
This might be the best to play here. I don't
know where it goes from here, right, so maybe this
is an extreme example.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
We'll see what happens with Stanford Florida State will continue.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
See what happens with the Dreaded Cardinal. But you know,
I thought this was a really interesting test for this defense,
and they were probably aided by the fact that there
was some weather to tamp things down. They definitely were
able to confuse Jade Mayava put him in some interesting
situations where he had to make throws that I don't

(45:10):
think he would have normally make. So I thought, as
a Notre Dame fan, my takeaway was, first off, whew,
that could have gone a different direction. Secondly, I come
away happy that they won, but at the same time
feeling like this was a little bit of an uneven performance.

(45:31):
There were too many penalties, They gave up too much
defensively against a really good offense CJ. Carr in a
big game like this does beg the question bigger games
moving forward, is he going to be this keyed up?
Is he going to get better? I sense he will,
but this was just not a great showing for him.
And ultimately, you want to win, You win your clunker.

(45:54):
That's why I'm wearing win your clunker. I believe that
this was kind of a clunker, just didn't look like
it if you looked at the final scoreboard. So a
nice win for sure, and I thought USC acquitted itself
really well all things considered. But this was I feel
that Dan, I really do that. I came away feeling
pretty impressed by USC. But ultimately, what impressed me the most,

(46:18):
and what impressed everybody the most was three hundred yards
in the ground for Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Did asking your star receiver to throw a pass in
pouring rain and have him fumble the ball impress you.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
No, I'm not talking about the coaching I am. I
am almost like separating out the coaching decisions from the
performances we saw out there, Like Jadamyova is not a
perfect quarterback, but Jamiob is pretty good most teams across
college football. I think I think he's legit.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I think I think he's very very good. He's not
a perfect quarterback. He force throws. The play calling was
kind of all over the place for USC. Couldn't really
run the ball consistently. Now, obviously USC is down I
think two starting offensive linemen, they're starting left tackle and center.
They're down their first two running backs and Waymon Jordan
and Eli Sanders, and obviously King Miller was very good.

(47:06):
It was it Brian Jackson who stepped in as well.
They have good players. The best of Mikaya Lemon and
Jakobe Lane is excellent. Lake McCree had a great touchdown catch.
I don't know if you thought his toe was down.
It looked like it was down to me early on.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
They just sort of panned it. They went through it.
It's like his toe was down, yeah, Okay, like it
was close, right, it was at least close, and everybody
just sort of like went with it them. Okay.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
There are definitely moments where CJ. Carr looked like a
seven and five quarterback. There were definitely moments where Notre
Dame needed to get lucky to move beyond terrible kicking.
It definitely looked like moments where Notre Dame desperately needed
Jadarium Price to return that kickoff or a touchdown because

(47:52):
the offense was sort of all over the place. I
wouldn't go as far as saying winning your clunkers, because
when you have a running back just explode through a
defense like Jeremiah Love did, You're not cobbling together a
win with duct tape and chicken wire.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Now listen. So the ground game was there for them
all day, Yeah, all day, and they were the dominant
team in the trenches. Okay, So this could just be
me catastrophizing a little bit as somebody who follows this
team and is always terrified of best football game. I'll
admit it, Okay. I talked about it on the preview episodes.

(48:28):
You know how I feel about this USC rivalry. USC
always gives Notre Dame a game is always going to
be a tight game for as long as they play
the rivalry. They had it on the ground. They obviously
took advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Made plays on defense.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
They did make plays on defense.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah, okay, speed up just like us.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
He is.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
There were also other elements of the defense that that
definitely left me a bit underwhelmed. But at the end
of the day, despite the fact that Christian Gray got
like five pass interference calls in this game or whatever
the hell it was, he did two interceptions. Yeah, ok right, Yeah,
so it's it's sort of, as I say, it's a
little bit uneven to me how I feel coming out

(49:08):
of this win. But ultimately you will take it because
what I think we're going to find on the USC
front moving forward. Notre Dame doesn't have a whole lot
left on their schedule. Yeah, but USC has a road
game against Nebraska coming up. They've got a road game
against Oregon coming up. They close out the year against
the behemoth that is the UCLA Bruins. Right, where's that

(49:30):
game being played? Obviously it's in Los Angeles, but it's
the stadium. I don't have it here. Okay, I'll look
it up while you're look it up. But my point
is that just because USC loses a game like this,
we should not count them out. We should not count
them out. I don't know what the upward mobility looks
like at this point. I don't know what they're going
to end up ranked, but I think this is a

(49:51):
damn good team. They've only got two losses now, and
they've got a schedule in front of them that puts
them in some interesting situations. I'm not overly confident about
that Oregon game, second flast game of the year, but
I think they've got the offense to go toe to
toe with just about anybody, and when you've got that,
almost anything can happen. So I came away very impressed

(50:12):
with USC, not always with the coaching. I came away
impressed with how Notre Dame used its ground game to
its advantage, though there were other aspects of their overall
play that definitely let me left me a bit down.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Remember, you cannot count USC out until they arrive at
Lax to check in at that point, Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Hold on, hold on.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
How they've been on the road under Lincoln Riley.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
I get it, how they've been I get it. Okay,
just making sure I get it. Wait until they get
to Lax.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Wait until they buy some peanut M and m's not
a sponsor, could be in the Hudson News.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
I get it. And then you count them out. Continue.
Let's talk about the Georgia Tech Duke game. The Georgia
Tech Duke game was very quietly one of the biggest
games of Week eight. Agree it did not get top
billing because there were so many other bigger matchups that
were out there. I was fascinated by this matchup coming

(51:13):
into it. We both looked at the points spread. Duke
was favored by three. I believe we both took Duke.
Did we not?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
I know I did. You may have been Georgia Tech
leaning and I brought you to the wrong side of
the aisle.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
I don't know. I mean Georgia Tech won this one
twenty seven to eighteen. And I thought that several things
were true at once. The first was that Georgia Tech
to me looked fairly balanced on offense. They were very
aggressive on defense, but fairly balanced on offense. And by
that I mean that they kept using Haynes King like
they always do, and Duke didn't really have an answer

(51:47):
for him, especially on the ground. Georgia Tech was very
good at using their best player on the On the
flip side of things, Duke also kind of beat itself right.
They gave up a ninety five yard scoop and score early.
They botched a hold on a field goal. I saw
the stats somewhere that they held a two hundred and

(52:08):
thirty eight to one hundred and ten yard advantage in
the first half. This was a game that actually was
there for Duke, and they kept shooting themselves in the
foot they were not able to convert. This is not
to say they would have won if all of those
things went in their direction, but this is to say

(52:29):
that Duke is better then maybe this final score would
indicate and is definitely going to be a hard out
for the remainder of their schedule, but ultimately a very
nice win for Georgia Tech. You know, I think you
and I are both of the mind that Tech's probably
got another l in them somewhere along the way.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Maybe, Yeah, this would have been one I considered to
be pretty dangerous.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
But you know, they keep finding ways to scrap it together.
They keep finding ways to get these wins. They're not
always pretty. But what's your big rule about being pretty
in football? I don't know, I have so many rules. Well,
you don't got to be pretty. You just need it,
don't You just needed to work so Georgia Tech now
seven and zero four to Oho in the ACC on

(53:12):
a Tuesday episode, maybe we can talk through a little
bit more about what their path looks like moving forward.
I mean, it's I got it in front of me.
It's Syracuse, NC State, Boston College and Pitt before the
rivalry against Georgia to close out the year. So it's
very much there for Georgia Tech. The other thing that

(53:34):
I mentioned on the duke side, yeah, Darien Mensa three
seventy three in a losing effort, dam.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Cooper Barkae Harvard Transfer also nearly two hundred yards receiving
for for duke here. No, the actual takeaway was this
is more of the better of Georgia Tech that we've
seen this year, right. Haines King is balanced, you know,
on the ground, through the area, was very fishing. Through
the air, ran really well, had a ton of open lanes.
The Georgia Tech defense, even though they gave up the

(54:07):
yardage that they did, it was sort of a terrific
study in ben but don't break. They got off the field,
they forced field goals, They allowed ten points I think
until like the very end of this game. And so
that's a really nice step forward when you consider where
Georgia Tech was last year a couple of years ago,
that against this type of offense, that they'll give up
some grass, but they didn't give up the points here

(54:30):
and that's it's an extremely positive step, especially considering they
replaced their defensive coordinator in the offseason. Really nice step
forward for the Georgia Tech defense and a dangerous spot
on the road.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
And let's finish off this segment with the Holy War
Dan Place BYU wins twenty four to twenty one. You
and I talked about this one a little bit before
we hit go tonight, and look, Utah moved the ball
on BYU. Utah had its opportunities, but one out of

(55:00):
five on fourth down conversions. Utah got some really big
stops when they needed them most, and that was ultimately
what helped spring them to victory. It wasn't just that
they didn't have as many turnovers. They didn't have nearly
as many penalties. I compared it when you and I
spoke about BYU hitting irons off the tee, just hit

(55:24):
the center of the fairway, hit the green, take your
par and move to the next hole. There is nothing
super flashy about BYU. But again, they kind of know
what they are. Yeah, and their whole ethos is built
around doing whatever they need to do to win. If
you're looking at BYU trying to figure out are they
an air raid team, are they a spread team? They

(55:46):
are like the most multiple of multiple teams out there.
They will do whatever they have to. It doesn't look sexy.
It rarely, if ever looks sexy. But a game like
this I think is testament to what Kalani Sataki has
built at BYU. And you can't really look at the
box score and try to get an understanding for what
BYU is supposed to be because the box score is

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gonna deceive you. They just sort of are this team
that finds a way to get it done. They will
do whatever it takes, and they kind of don't care
how it looks.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
I agree, And it was another situation similar to you know,
maybe on not on that kind of stage nationally, just
because the Holy War is an emotional stage within the
Big twelve, but doesn't get the national attention of a
game like you know, Georgia Ole miss Necessarily. BYU finished strong.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
LJ.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Martin ran really well in that fourth quarter, like they
were buttoned up. Where if you're gonna sort of look
at where Utah had opportunities and where they weren't able
to take advantage, it's they were driving deep into BYU territory.
They just were stopped on fourth down. If you want
to say anything, BYU just got off. They were the
kings of getting off. I know that's your phrase. Yeah,

(56:58):
but I guess yes it's appropriate here for BYU. Right,
it's it's been but don't break again. We talked about
it with Georgia Tech and Duke. But BYU did a
really nice job. Situationally, Utah was just sloppier and a
big emotional spot on the road and BYU got it done.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Was great, It really was. And this to me, and
I'm sure I'm going to get a little bit of
pushback on this one, but this was the second straight
big game in which I saw Devin Dampier and I
sent you a message saying, hey, it looks like a
New Mexico quarterback.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
There are times where he definitely looks it looks.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Like it looks like a mid tier Mountain West quarterback. Yeah,
I'm still not impressed with Devin Dampier. Well, not on
the ground, he's all right, But just the totality of
the Devon dam Pier experience to me is very underwhelming.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Was he one of those quarterbacks that before the season
you were like, I watched an hour and a half
of Cols and I'm all, that was just Mark Gronowski.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Arkronowski for like one hundred and fifty yards in a
way and against Penn State.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
But that's true. Don't look at throwing numbers as passes.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
It's late. I don't want to put people to sleep
more than they are, right, But there is something about
the Devn dan Pier experience to me that is, like
I said, just it's I'm not into it. Devin dan
Pierre is a friend Tim Murray's guy. He was all
in on Devon dan Pierre. It's like a dark horse
Heisman contender. Maybe a bit premature piece to what I've

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seen so far.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I think he was just talking about value value.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
No, no, no, again.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Look, we're a week away, a week removed from Utah
absolutely demolishing Arizona State, who's now the bell of the
big twelve ball. I don't know, we can still put
some respect on Utah's name.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
We can. I'm just underwhelmed. I don't know. Underwhelmed is
the word that I keep coming back to. Fair enough,
give me some other quick hits things around college football.
That jumped out to you as sort of like an
honorable mention here before we get to reverbs. Honorable mention.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Uh, Nebraska got shelled by Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
That was Friday night as well, Right, that was a
Friday night game.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah, amid I guess Matt rule conversations and he goes
on Matt pat McAfee to discuss the Penn State job.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Here here are the facts. We did get a lefty throw,
by the way, do you remember you?

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Yeah, we got a lefty throw, and we also got
a Dylan Royola like dive forward flip it to a
receiver successful.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
You know, the receiver got hit hard.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
The combination of Nebraska's offensive line, Minnesota's pass rush hasn't
really been much this year, and Dylan Rayola finding himself
sort of in a fun house behind the offensive line
and when he has to step into the pocket and
navigate the pocket. It was a nightmare for Nebraska in Minneapolis,

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their second straight road game. They sneak by Marylyn the
week before. They just they looked lost they looked uninspired.
Dylan Riola could not find open receivers. Maybe they weren't there.
I don't put it all on the offensive line. I
put a chunk of it on the offensive line, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I mean he was sacked nine times. So some of
that nine times, which is a lot of time, that's
a lot of times. Some of them.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Did he did hold onto the ball a long time
at times.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Some of that blame does go to the offensive line, which,
by the way, they had one offensive lineman who had
to go to the hospital and then they had another
ejected for targeting, which you don't see in that game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
You don't see a lot of left tacks. Don't see
that for targeting. But alas, but here we are, and
it's a long season. Nebraska has time to redeem itself.
That's a tough one too, you know, traveling to Maryland again,
it's a pretty good defense at Maryland and taking on
Minnesota short week, but man, Nebraska's offense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Who I The comment that I made to you is
that Dylan Roola is playing like a guy who once
to get drafted by dude perfect. Yeah, that's the kind
of game that Dylan Royola plays. Obviously, very talented, But
I feel like somewhere lost amid all of the trick

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shot highlights is the fact that either he doesn't have
time to throw down the field, or the offense, the
Dana Holgerson offense is not either scheming receivers open or
even asking him to throw that much down the field.

(01:01:34):
It's a lot of short stuff, which is all fine,
and that's fine, that can be fine, right, but even okay, continue, Sorry,
I just I I like him a lot more than
you do, and that's always been the case, and I
think he is in a situation right now, certainly with
this offensive line that is going to skew things one
way or the other against him. All Right, people will

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see Dylan Royola and they will feel on some level
under when he goes up against the team that's able
to take advantage of that line. I still think he's
got a ton of talent. I still think he's going
to end up being very good.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Buddy Northampton High School could take advantage of the Nebraska
offense line.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
But it is games like this that do make me
wonder if this is if this is more about highlights
with Dylan Royola versus the total package.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Sure, look it's not all on him. It's not all
on the offensive line. It's not on Daniel Holgerson, it's
not on receive. It's a combination. It's a cocktail of
offensive incompetence. And I guess that's who Penn State wants,
is their head coach.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Okay, so separate conversation on the other side of the
field though, because I couldn't help, but sort of one.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Darius Taylor was very good, had a long run early on.
Good to see him healthier. Drake Lindsay. The Minnesota offensive
line wasn't incredible, but he was quick. The offense was
called for him to take a couple of steps and
throw it off. Was called for quick stuff, get the
ball out of his hands, make plays, keep the chains moving.

(01:03:06):
And it just seem like there is a communication issue
with Nebraska in their attempts to do that. And I
do chuckle when you allude to the fact that you
think Dylan Royle is destiny he was born to throw
a football off the top of the bers Khalifa.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
I mean that could be it. That that could be
the I would watch it, to be clear, I watch it, Yeah,
I would. But by the way, the sidebar like this
that make me wonder if he's cut out more for
YouTube than the NFL, do you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
I mean, I've watched a lot of text A and
M football this season, and I guess you have too,
because they played Notre Dame and a couple of other
big games. Dude perfect is prominently featured in Texas A
and M as an academic institution. I know they're commercials.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
I know there. I know they are. I don't know.
Weird decision to make but one hundred and thirtieth air
yards per target for those who playing long at home.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
But anyway, that's okay. But you got to make it's.
Got to make a work, got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
To make it work. What else? What else? When talk
about Texas going ot against Kentucky, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Okay, I didn't watch a ton of this game, so
I'm not going to front for the for bawlers and
pretend like I did. I watched the end of the
game because it seemed closer than it should have been. Yeah,
and I came away very unimpressed. I will watch this
game either tomorrow or Monday morning, and I will have
additional thoughts. But when you show me a seven to
seven arch Manning doesn't seem to be completing passes intermediate

(01:04:40):
or downfield against Kentucky and they need to kick a
field goal to win. I'm just it's gonna lose my attention.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
They rushed for forty seven yards and it's been sort
of a continuing trend of them just you know, I mean,
at times they have run the ball okay, but it
has not been a consistent rushing offense. You recall last
year they used that rushing offense to great effect down
the stretch. Especially that we haven't seen that with any

(01:05:09):
real consistency. And again, I'm not trying to like pile
on arch Manning. Arch doesn't. He doesn't look good. He
makes a couple of really good throws per game, sure
that is undeniable, and you can see that he's got
those tools. That part is exciting, but more often than not,

(01:05:30):
it is snap the ball, run around a little bit
behind the line, and you don't get the sense he
knows where to go at the ball, right, I don't know.
I mean, this could end up being a gigantic whiff
when we do the post mortemon this season with where
things are out with arch Manning, and look, he's just

(01:05:50):
kind of growing into being a full time starter, I guess,
despite the fact that he's been in the program for
a few years. But I'm I don't know, man, it's
getting laid early here and I'm still waiting for that
significant moment where we're all going to be really impressed
by Arch. And I'm twelve of twenty seven four point nine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Sure maybe extenuating circumstances. I'm gonna watch this game closely
and I'll come to my conclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Then I tell you what the this is. I don't
necessarily swear by the qbrs, but the QBR for Arch
was twenty four point zero. You're gonna watch this game,
You're gonna mess with me tomorrow, and you're gonna say
that looked. That's what I imagined A twenty four point
zero is going to look like.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Yeah, if your QBR is fewer digits than ties Age
in his mid forties, there's work to be done. Another
game that I can't wait to watch more of. I
watch some of and every time I turned it on,
there were fireworks and it was like watching two amazing
NBA three point shooters vombit from twenty nine feet Texas

(01:06:53):
A and m Arkansas Oh yeah, how does the team
lose a game at home averaging nine yards per Carrie?
Great question. Can't wait to learn more, because every time
I flipped to this or looked up at it in
a quad box recording this Saturday night, somebody was ripping
off a seventeen yard game on either side of the field,
and so it was a terrific shootout. I think the

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final score was forty five to forty two. Marcel Reid
and Taylor Green put on an absolute show. Every time
I looked up. It didn't seem like there was a
ton of tackling, it didn't seem like there was a
ton of defense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Good for A and M.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
We talked about this that I think you felt pretty
good about A and M.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
And then we both decided, like that saw plus the points, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
You like tarkatsas plus the points? Okay, I just I
remember deciding that it's insane that anybody's gonna win this
game in a sane way, because nobody ever does in
this matchup now, especially we'll see now that it's away
from Jerry World. But this one looks like it was
a lot of fun every time I looked up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
For sure. The other one that I don't want to
make this all at the SEC, but you did mention
the Auburn Mazoo game. Who I mean, I don't know
how many times Auburn's going to lose close game before
they just decided they got to get rid of Hugh
Freeze all of the times. That's how they just they
just keep getting in close games and losing them. And

(01:08:12):
I think the schedule lightens up a little bit the
second half, but it's still not easy by any stretch,
and it it certainly is not made easier by the
fact that they find ways to just get into these
close games. They're good enough to be close enough, but
they're not good enough to close and it's got to
be damn frustrating if you're an Auburn Tigers fan right now,

(01:08:35):
like they were for I thought the vast majority of
that game against Maszoo the better team, one of the
best interceptions of the day at the end, h yeah,
and they look they had plenty of opportunities in the
passing game. I don't think the box score is going
to be truly reflective of the day that Jackson Arnold had.
I thought Jackson Arnold actually looked pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Made plays he did. He tried to make plays that
other people let him him down, yes, during.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
And he he should have had better numbers because he
had Like just one example was cam Coleman down the
left sideline dropped an absolute dime. I mean this was
in the bucket and he just dropped it. You know,
it might have gone for like a sixty yard touchdown.
I don't recall exactly how far it was, but plays
like that, I thought Jackson Arnold had a pretty good
command of the offense and what he was trying to do.

(01:09:23):
But again, they just they find a way to stall out.
It was not a great showing in my estimation on
the Miszoo side, but more to the point wearing the
clunker shirt, Auburn I think is still generally a pretty
good team, even if the record doesn't reflect it, and
even if they can't close, there's still a team that
can be a pan the ass and beat you if

(01:09:44):
you're not on your game, and Mazoo found a way
to get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Agree, it was just a very exciting Newsworthy day in
the SEC. Florida one lights and Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Oklahoma's good. Oklahoma just sat on South Carolina's kind of
what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Here was what Oklahoma came in as one of the
worst rushing teams. They ran really well against South Carolina.
I think it was Tory Blaylock who led the way
for Oklahoma on the grounds. That's a positive development for
the Sooners South Carolina. I mean, take your pick of
the teams thrilled with other teams for having terrible offensive
lines and so they're all sort of helping each other out.

(01:10:25):
I just I feel bad for Lenora's sellers, Like I
just watch him. I'm like, like, guys just going to
be in a cold tub all week. Yeah, they're cooked.
I don't know, really nice bounce back for Oklahoma on
the road in a tough place to play and get
the W.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
We're gonna need to go through at some point and
do a much deeper dive of what's going on in
the Big Twelve because I think there's just like a
million possible scenarios for where that conference could go. The
two games that I wanted to call out real quick
and then we're going to get to your reverbs, yeah,
and we're going to bring this thing home. The Michigan
Washington game was one that was very interesting to me

(01:11:07):
and I think I was a little bit higher on
Washington coming in because I was higher on Washington when
we did previews. But this was a defensive display for Michigan.
Like the offense wasn't always outstanding, but I thought what
they did defensively against an offense that I thought was
pretty good, that to me, was the most impressive thing

(01:11:29):
that I saw come out of this matchup. I tried
to explain to you, Washington doesn't win these games. I
just tried. I don't win Big ten Road. I know,
I know, I know, but like I just expected more.
I like DeMont Williams. De Mont Williams throws three interceptions, right, and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
He couldn't do anything on the grounds. Michigan did a
really nice job. Couldn't do anything corralling the run game
on the ground. Jordan Marshall had a really nice day
for Michigan on the ground. Bryce Underwood again like super
efficient twenty one of twenty seven two thirty two touchdowns and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
That was without his two tight ends right, without a
sewo tight ends right, So they had backups there. Yeah.
I just thought this was a very workman like effort
from Michigan. I came away feeling like Michigan is still
very formidable and not to be overlooked the remainder of
this Big Ten season. I think they're fine.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
I think we're a week removed from them getting absolutely
stomped by a walk on running back at USC, and
USC's offense is fine. I just I don't think Washington
is all that impressive on the road. I don't think
there are a lot of ways for Washington to win.
I think their defense is okay, but.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
They don't have a ton of talent up the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
And Michigan played at home. They have a good running game,
they have a promising, talented quarterback, and they should have
won that game and they did, and so good for Michigan.
I just I think Michigan's still pretty raw and makes
weird decisions and Washington can be fun, but there's just
not enough killers on this roster at this point, and

(01:12:59):
Jedfish doesn't win game at Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
My final honorable mention that we're gonna play your Week
eight reverbs. SMU beat Clemson thirty five twenty four. Yes
Christmas in a game, Yeah, yeah, Christmas in a game.
Kate Klebnik was out. This was a rematch of the
ACC title game from a year ago, it was a
noticeable difference. I would say Clemson could not run the ball.

(01:13:23):
They had thirty carries thirty five yards as a team,
so that put even more stress on the ZENA. Jordan Hudson,
your guy, yep. Really good for SMU in this matchup.
Kevin Jennings certainly not perfect, but Kevin Jennings did enough

(01:13:44):
to get the win for the Mustang. So this is
a really nice win for them, even if Clemson is
sort of down and out there three and four now.
But I think, just in terms of symbolic wins for
the SMU program, avenging that loss in the a SEC
title game from a year ago, I was a very
game for them a year ago, but avenging that loss,
going on the road and getting the winning Memorial Stadium

(01:14:07):
was pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Just a couple real quick before the Reverbs tie. I
promise I'm gonna be quick. Ohio State just sort of
stumped Wisconsin. Not a huge surprise there, but Julian saying
is very quietly extremely efficient.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Wisconsin is a pretty good defense.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
They have playmakers, and Ohio State just threw over around whatever.
They're just a crazy efficient performance from Ohio State. As
most shutouts are. Indiana was awesome against Michigan State. A
little bit of a slow start, but they was a
complete performance. Mendoza was great, and as soon as there
was a tiny bit of momentum for Indiana, it was
just done. It was done for the Hoosiers. Super impressive

(01:14:44):
from Indiana. Yukon beat Boston College, which.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Man I was close to lock in a Yukon and
that's a god's honest truth.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
TCU beats Baylor in that rivalry game and sort of
was in control, but Baylor did a nice job storming
back late, but a nice balanced performance from TCU. Noah
Fafida was awesome. Connor Wigman was also awesome in that
early game, and good for Houston for coming out on top.
Arizona stormback to try to make it something, but Houston
held on.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Good for them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Tou Lane, nice job beating Army in sort of an
ugly starting game, but a rematch of the American Championship
from last year. UCF runs away from West Virginia quietly
gets their first big twelve win under Scott Frost once again,
and I think that's how I was trying to convince
you Boise State would score a ton of points and

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they did very much.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Absolutely crap out of UNLV in that game. Everybody tried
to warn me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Alonza Barnett was incredible for JMU as they beat a
good old Dominion team and score sixty three in the process.
Absolute dude, Alonza Barnett in that one. Great performance from
North Texas stopping UTSA. North Texas very much for real.
And your Penn State Nindee Lyons, Oh my god, you

(01:16:05):
I mean, I know you're purposely not talking about this
game because of the low quality television of it all.
But a better news u CLA beat Maryland on the
last second field goal and.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
They unstoppable, man to back to back. Check they're unfriggin stoppable.
All right, got a bunch of calls on the reverb line,
our guys, Shay cut these together. They are wonderful as
always for the next two minutes and forty some odds seconds,

(01:16:35):
train your ears on your week a reverbs.

Speaker 5 (01:16:38):
Nothing spoils the December three. Remember better than Minnesota Golden Golphers.
Doctor Brett Beatlama last year and now you got Matt Ruhle,
you know, well, struggling on the road against a team
that doesn't really do much anything well, might be on
brand for that Penn State team out there. Dan si
Is Phillips calling from Annapolis.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Sean and San Diego.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
Hey this is Will and Hey this is Brandon from Dinkietown.
I woke up this morning on my birthday celebrating a
go for victory over the great Nebraska Cornhuskers preseason champs
ten years is running.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Carson Beck throwing four interceptions in one game to lose
his number two spot to Louisville.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
What a gift?

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
What a gift?

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Diy, Please, It's not Louisville. It's Louisville. Lou uh both old.

Speaker 4 (01:17:30):
Arts, Miami Hurricane more like Miami hurt Hurricane, Krusty Fielam approval.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
It's not just good, it's good enough.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
That's the gal football way.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I'm watching pavi Amnia one Wild Brother in Nashville with
Big Game James Franklin no longer coaching at least for now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Are we ready to talk about big game?

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
Brian?

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Between Georgia Tack and Vanderbilt this year it is a
revenge of the Nerds, and all I gotta say is Georgia,
We're coming for you. Go Jacket I think I would
rather be tortured and waterboarded than ever watch a Mike
Schula offense.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Again, there are somethings money can't buy. For everything else,
there's Kenny Dillingham fork off. We're gonna have to start
calling Mike Ylko the.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
Cheese because the Cheese stands alone last undefeated team.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
In the SEC.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
Baby gig your meg as a badger find just make
it stuck and everybody loses in the top twenty five?

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
Does that mean that Penn States back in it? Go grunky?

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
Kind of wrap my head around the fact that Virginia
is six and one and just one on a safety ty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
You gotta stop living in the past. Iowa has an
offense now, and nothing beats Kinnick at night.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
I'm just here to say bench arch Fire, Kyle Flood,
Iren Ots Hookham, horn baby five into.

Speaker 5 (01:19:02):
As soon as TI took Washington in the Michigan game,
I'm heavy on them betting. Thanks for the payout, man,
keep picking against us.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Oh, this is Richard Verbal.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
I'd like to say that, much like the Boise State Broncos,
the report of my death was greatly exaggerated.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Go Orange.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
COVID blue. Wowreat what a bat taking some arrows over here?

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
That's yeah, that's Virginia, by the way, winning on a
safety against Wazoo, who was in control of that game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
The Virginia fis away chan mo, Hey why was Zuo's
been feisty? Man, They've been fights, they've.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
Been realod and they've got a home and home with
the Oregon State Beavers, who appear to be on the
board at one in seven, one of eight whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
They are now crazy, absolutely crazy, all right, before we
get to our dood alerts. Yes, we've definitely had a
few questions, more than a few questions that have come
in as we're doing this. I knew this would be
a question. I started this one in our little queue here.
The question is how many coaches are going to get

(01:20:10):
fired tomorrow? From Brian Man. First off, anybody who claims
to know this is wrong. I think based on the
fact that Florida one, we can count Billy Napier as
at least playing out the remainder of the season. They're
going into a bye week, this would have been the
time to do it. I don't think you can make

(01:20:30):
that move, even if he's a dead man walking. I
don't think you could announce it publicly after a win,
which just sort of a weird message. Buddy. I don't know, man,
It's twenty twenty five. This is my opinion. Okay, I've
been wrong many times before. You've heard as much on
our reverbs. But I would find it hard to believe
that he gets ousted. But there are certainly plenty of

(01:20:52):
situations around college football that leave us wondering, Luke Fickle,
might they make a move mid season after getting stomped
by Ohio State thirty four to ZIP. That would not
surprise me one iota. We got another situation at Auburn,
another close game with Hugh Freeze. I think the buyout
is somewhere in the neighborhood of fifteen million dollars. They

(01:21:13):
could probably afford that with what they've got in their pocket.
That's another one that I think is really interesting. I
would probably go to those two first and branch out
from there. But truly, nothing would surprise me at this point, because,
as you said, it is twenty twenty five, and with
what we saw happened to James Franklin, there are gonna
be other schools that maybe want to get in the

(01:21:34):
coaching carousel sooner than later, just to put their name
out there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
He was on game day, by the way, he was fine.
He sort of stuck to his messaging.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
He was good. That was a softball interview.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
It was a softball pr like Nick Saban is going
to hold a coach's feet to the fire.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
That was a yeah. And they have the same agent too, which,
of course I'm sure to not factor into anything, but no,
it was. I mean, I could probably give you a
full thirty minute rant about the way things have gone
on the PR side of things.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Now I got nowhere to be. Let's make this show
two and a half.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Hours, ty. I mean, it's just the national media that
on some level is responsible for perpetuating the big Game
James thing. I mean, we've certainly made our share of
jokes of it here, of course, but we are not
nearly as prominent as places like College Game Day, Big
Noon Saturday. Many of these places have been living off

(01:22:34):
that narrative that James Franklin has had a really hard
time in big games, and he has That part is
not made up, but they have definitely pumped up that
storyline and now they are sort of using it to
their advantage to get the interview to talk about how
it's unfair to talk about how you know the coaching,

(01:22:55):
and you've got Nick Saban up there talking about how
you know everything has gone sideways.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
It just seems like they're talking out of both sides
of their mouth, and I'm not going to act like
I have a problem with it. It makes for interesting content,
to say the least, But to get James Franklin up
there and not have anybody ask him a real question about, well,
you had all the facilities, you had all the money
to go out and buy players, the best coaches that

(01:23:21):
were on the market, to not at least examine that
side of it and try to understand, like, you know,
do you take accountability for this or I don't know.
I didn't hear much of that. This to me looked
like more of a pr campaign than an actual interview.
So not that I'm looking for the guy to be
humiliated anything more than he already has on national TV.

(01:23:42):
Like I'm sure it is hard for him. I believe
him right for that, But that was not a real interview.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
No, but that also wasn't going to be the platform
for That's not an intimate place to really reflect on anything.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Yeah, maybe that wasn't necessarily the platform for it. I
understand that, But there wasn't a real que question that
was asked to him other than when Rhys Davis said, Hey,
where did this come off to Swivel? You know, have
you given any reflection to why things went the way
they did over the last three games for you? And
that was the most honest answer we heard, which was
him saying, honestly, I don't know. I don't know if

(01:24:18):
which is fine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
And now we know that the expectation for the new
Penn State head coach is to win a national championship
and anything less than that is unacceptable.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
I don't know. It'll be interesting to see where things
go on the coaching side, for sure moving forward, because
I think that's probably going to be a storyline that
only intensifies the rest of the way. Sure, Dan Rubinstein,
let's get to our duod alerts. If you're cool with that,

(01:24:50):
I'm ready. It is time to pay sweet homage to
those who deserve it most. After Week eight, who do
we got? All right?

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Hey Ducker Temple, Monster Temple, huge performance against Charlotte, Dylan
Riley at Boise State, which huge. Caleb Hawkins on the
ground was huge for North Texas. How about Diago Pavia
and mk Young combined for twenty two for one sixty
eight and their win over Alis soon a very good
LSU defense. I mentioned Tory Blaylock for Oklahoma was great
on the ground. Jordan Marshall was great on the ground

(01:25:20):
for Michigan. How about is it Joe Fagnano Fignano, I
don't know how to pronounce it for Yukon his connection
with Skyler Bell the Wisconsin transfer terrific In there went
over BC, the combo of Isaac Brown and Chris Bell
for Louisville in a winning effort, Darius Taylor on the ground,
Jeremiah Love on the ground, Gunner Stockton doing everything, Haines
King and Malachi Hoseley for Georgia Tech doing everything, and

(01:25:43):
the ultimate dude tie mister show hey time. Three home runs,
one of which out of the park, six innings, no runs,
ten strikeouts, best performance in Major League Baseball history.

Speaker 1 (01:26:02):
I mean pretty much, that was pretty wild. I gotta
admit I saw that. When I woke up this morning,
I was wait, what happened?

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
You gotta be kidding what's the calculus here?

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Incredible pitching performance and single handily beat the major league
baseball team with the best record or the right Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
That was pretty cool. That was something else. It's a
shame all the good teams are out of the playoffs.
But alas, I'm happy Oregon destroyed Rutgers. By the way,
we didn't really mention that show Eotani's having a good
outing here. It was like nine hundred yards of offense
for Oregon against Rutgers. So look, obviously much more to
talk about Week eight now officially in the books, we
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Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
So nine minutes left clock is ticking Stanford up a
touchdown with the ball twenty to thirteen against Florida State.
What will this mean to anybody listening on demand after
the fact, nothing or everything?

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
And I mean the Mike Norvell question is I don't know.
Supposedly they weren't having conversations behind the scenes about Norvelle. Yeah,
but it was Stanford in the hinterland, so I don't know. Yep,
that's tough. Why don't we leave it there again? Hit
follow hit subscribes that you don't miss the episodes. We'll
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(01:28:32):
more logic, trying to analyze all of this a little
bit further as best we can talk through any games
that we didn't get to. Of course, we'll reveal thatver
Ball or Top twelve poll and give you an advanced
look at week nine. By the way, when we do
this episode next Saturday night, it's just going to be me.

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Is that what your plan is? That's a plan. You're
going solo. I'm gonna go solo. I'm gonna give it
a shot. I've never done that before. So for people
who are tuning in, apologies in advance if it looks
and sounds a little bit different. But we're going to
give it the old college try. Because you're going to
be at a fall wedding. I am going to be
at a fall wedding on the West Coast.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
I will submit either like a reverb or you I'll
make a video for you that you can use as
an intro video for the episode or something.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
But I want you in your suit, in your tops.
Are you wearing a touch or is it a suit?

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
No, no no, so it's cocktail attire preferred.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
Okay. I want you and your preferred cocktail attire. Thank
you at the venue creating a video there okay and
just as organic as humanly possible. You got it done.
For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,
for myself, Tie Hildebrand. As always, thank you so much
for downloading, for listening, for supporting what we do. We

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will be back on Tuesday. In the meantime, you know
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