July 6, 2020 • 23 mins
Philadelphia Phillies outfielder Andrew McCutchen is not only one of baseball’s best all-around players, he’s also a fun guy off the field, which can’t be said about everyone in the league. The 2015 NL MVP and five-time All-Star talks to Jensen about his hilarious quarantine alter-ego “Uncle Larry,” how that epic Topps trading card came to be, and his recent viral “Fresh Prince” moment in an empty Philly rental. They also chat about Andrew’s return from injury, the game’s need for black community outreach, and how - or if - MLB locker rooms can actually adapt to today’s Black Lives Matter movement. Check out this episode or expect an earful from “Uncle Larry.” This episode and series supports FeedingAmerica.org. For more of The Sports Bubble, visit treefort.fm/the-sports-bubble
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to the Sports Bubble, a production of I Heart
Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen Carp and
I'm a sports fan and my office is looking more
and more like Claire Dane's workspace and Homeland. I'm keeping
track of every positive test in sports, connecting them by
strings and marking the hotspots, and I'm gonna be honest
(00:24):
with you, it's hard to keep up. Things are changing constantly,
and even Adam Silver admits now with coming up on
ten percent positive tests in the NBA, there's no running
from the virus. And all this is happening while the
country continues to seek justice and equality, opening its eyes
to the struggle black people of face. Since what feels
like the beginning of time, it's a lot to handle.
What what? Oh? Okay? Another positive? Well, I'll post it
(00:47):
on the board when I'm done with this intro. Quite
a workload these days, mostly because I'm still talking to
athletes and sports and just sup professionals about what they're
doing during this very weird time because even they have
no idea what's gonna happen. Trust me, it's all in
the sports bubble. One of baseball's best players, Andrew McCutcheon
is also one of the league's best assets when it
comes to personality. Anyone who's followed the five time All
(01:09):
Star in two thousand fifteen and l m v P
on social media knows he's hilarious and witty and thoughtful,
all attributes that have made him a fan favorite. But
I've often wondered why his sense of humor hasn't sent
him into mainstream orbit, like say, how Blake Griffin did
with the NBA during quarantine. He's even created a hilarious
alter ego named Uncle Larry, a mustachioed elderly man in
sunglasses and a ridiculous wig who also appears to hate
(01:31):
Andrew's guts. It's super funny. And then there's this new
viral Tops Baseball card the debuted last week that you
just have to google to appreciate. The guy is a
meme machine that everyone should know about. So in this conversation,
Andrew and I talked about the culture of baseball and
why maybe his type of swagger isn't necessarily appreciated enough.
We also chat about returning from injury, conforming for the Yankees,
(01:51):
baseball's need for African American outreach, and how or if
Major League Baseball locker rooms can actually adapt to Black
Lives matter. Move man. Listen. If this gets you to
at least follow Andrew and uncle Larry on social media,
well my job here is done, so let's chop it up.
On this episode of the Sports Bubble with Jensen Carton
(02:19):
from Andrew mccushion to accept press one. Hello Andrew, nice
to meet you. Thanks for doing this. Oh yeah, no problem,
Thanks for having me. I wanted to start off. I
know you went viral in this new rental house. You
took a picture kind of playing off the Will Smith meme.
I wanted to talk to you for a second before
the move. Where did you spend quarantine? Okay, so there
(02:42):
was a couple of places I spent my quarantine. Of course.
I was in clear Water, continuing my rehab there at
the Strange training facilities. And then I left clear Water
and went and went back home to to my hometown.
When I'm at hometown, but where I live in Pittsburgh.
So I was at those two places. And yeah, I'm
(03:02):
in Philadelphia. Yeah. I don't mean to be your uncle
Phil here, but I'm nervous that you won't be able
to furnish the house during a quarantine and get a sofa.
Oh yeah, so yeah, I uh what I mean. And
my wife we we purchased some furniture last year in
Philadelphia and we just left it in storage here. So
whenever we rent, when we come back the Philadelphia for
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the season, we just get that stuff out of storage.
So I had the moving company and get our stuff
out of storage and bring our things the next day
after I posted that that picture. So so that's that's
kind of what we do. It just right when I
came to the house. Right, it gave me that feel
of of that episode. So I just figured out, I'm
by myself not doing anything, might as well just just
(03:46):
posted a picture of it. Good. You've you've, you've well,
you've you've saved my fears of what you're gonna be
doing in Philly. But you're you're coming off a season
ending injury in two thousand nineteen, a torn a c
L Did the break in working? Did it help or
hurt the schedule you had in mind? This is obviously
the longest you've probably went without baseball by a long shot. Yeah,
you know, there there's definitely a silver line with it
(04:06):
for me. It did help me because you know, I
wasn't going to be ready come March. Whatever day it
was at the opening day, was going to be happening
this year. So for me us having this this break,
it definitely helped me be able to to rehab and
take my time through the rehab process and um, you know,
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so it was it was good for me. And yeah,
it helped me get to feeling ready and ready to
go and ready to play. Well, we have to talk
about my favorite thing from baseball stop down now. It
is the baseball card. I assume this is all you've
been texted about, all you've been emailed about, because it
truly brings a smile to my face. Tops revealed their
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big Series two set and there's a picture of you
that a lot of people are calling the greatest baseball
card ever produced. You are wearing a bandana under your hat,
your double cupped in the dugout jersey, half open, chains exposed.
It is truly beautiful. Can you please tell me the
background of this photo? Oh? Yeah, So basically that day,
you know, I was probably a month post stop from
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my my a c O surgery. So I had just
got back to Philadelphia after my surgery, um and just
to be around the fellows again. And I was just
trying to bring, you know, a little bit of light
to the season, trying to be positive, trying to you know,
find ways to to be able to make a difference
even though I can't like be on the on the
field and playing. So we had to throw back any
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day um of wearing those uniforms, and uh, you know,
I thought there were some pretty dope uniforms. You know,
they had a big zipper in the middle, and I
was like, man, you know, I need to make this
just a retro day. I need to look like, you know,
how I feel in this uniform. So I, you know,
I got what people didn't see. Where the sneakers. The
sneakers were the best part of the of the whole
(05:53):
the whole outfit. What were those? There are just some
throwback nikes that I had. They kind of give you
the feel of the old cortez Um shoe. But yeah,
they were some pretty dope shoes that I was wearing.
So I just I just made the whole outfits you
to down put the chain on, and those uh sunglasses
were actually gave Kapler's um aviators. I guess they're pretty
(06:16):
pretty good pair of sunglasses, and so he was like,
you know, you got to complete the outfit with these sunglasses.
So he gave them to me, and um, double cut
red Bull, and uh I was I was out there
just enjoying myself having a good time. So, yeah, the
card is going for two on ebie. I don't know
if you know that. I'm sure those prices will go
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down there. So uh, Now, I wanted to talk a
little bit about your sort of persona on Instagram and
and and Twitter and social media in general. What tell
me how Uncle Larry started? You know, funny thing, I've
always been the type of person to be kind of
quite the the jokester of my family, loving to make
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people laugh. Um, I don't know if you did here.
I mean, it's not that far off, but pretty familiar
with buying when buying videos are red big. I used
to love watching buying videos, so I used to make
I used to make uynes all the time and send
them to my family, send them to my wife all
the time, and friends that always say how crazy I
was and how stupid I was. And so once this
(07:20):
quarantine hit my my wife is like, you know, you
should you should do something, you know, make make fun
make light of the situation that you're in. You know,
you you always like to make funny videos. Why don't
you do that? Keep doing it? So I kind of
set with her, talk to her about it, and talked
to my PR guy about it, and and then that's
how Uncle Larry came about. And Uncle Larry, you know,
(07:43):
for people who don't know, it was because of basically,
the way the name came about was because I was
taking bandon frantice during spring training and someone posted a
video of me taking ban in practice and they straight
up watched my name called me launched mc cutcheon, and
I was like, you know, I'm going to take that
around with it. And so that's that's kind of how
(08:05):
it all, how it all came about, the name came about,
and the character came about. I bring up all this
personality stuff and how much fans enjoy seeing you, especially
me your your personality and and and and what you
do online to get to some heavier stuff because with
COVID and the murder of George Floyd and the resulting
response from America finally opening their eyes to the struggles
(08:28):
that black people have been facing for hundreds of years.
I was genuinely moved by Ian Desmond's Instagram post this
past week. Did did you get to read it? Yeah?
I definitely ran through that and it was it was
definitely moving to hear and read some of the things
that he had to talk about, for sure. Yeah, and
a lot of stuff stuck out to me. I mean, honestly,
it's been sort of plaguing me all week, and and
it's been mentioned by a Mere Garrett, a former guest
(08:49):
on the show as well, and a sort of roundabout
way on Instagram. But one part I can't shake it
involves Ian bringing up sort of a good old boy
culture that exists in baseball, and what he describes is
quote unquote white rules to the sport. Don't have fun,
don't pimp home runs, don't play with with your character,
don't do anything fancy. It's kind of the opposite of
what the NBA has sort of found popularity within. And
(09:10):
it started to hit me that this eye for an eye.
You know, you you throw your bat, you get hit
or it feels kind of racial, and it obviously did
to Ian Desmond as well. What did you take out
of that angle on it? Yeah, I mean there are
some unwritten rules to this game and to this sport
that we play in. There's so many rules that are unwritten,
so many things and uh, so many creeds and guidelines
(09:34):
that that you know, that that you're a part of
and that you have to be taught in this game.
And you know, there are a lot of the there's
ways that they people take things. They take things too
different ways, you know. You know, I definitely like to
look at it. And you know, Adam Jones has said
this before as well. He said, Uh, if I if
I get mad or if I throw my back, um,
(09:56):
I get heated in the situation, I'm being angry. Um.
But they said, you know, if there was a white
guy who does the same thing, he's being the gamer, um,
you know. And he was like, and there are certain
situations like that where you do see two different sides
taken in two different ways even though there's two people
doing the same thing. And that does happen in this game. Uh.
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And the unwritten rules in this game that we feel
like we have to abide by and um, at the
same time, I just feel, you know, there's there's there
needs to be changing it, and there needs to be
an understanding of what we're talking about in ways that
we need to go about it here, coming from here
and moving forward in the future. Yeah, I mean I
thought about you know, the Yankees came to mind. You
(10:39):
played there obviously, the shaving of the beard, requirements, not
overshadowing the jersey, letting that kind of be the star. Uh.
You know, this morning before we talked, the Yankees organization
said that they look forward to sort of the Black
Lives Matter movement showing itself in the game. It's difficult
for me to accept those rules in even the shaving
of the beard, which seems so miniscule, but it's like
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the individualism of baseball and and the issues with black
representation in the league. It seems like they're not catering
to what maybe the black community might be looking for
in baseball back in the day with Ken Griffey Jr.
And people me and you looked up to. Yeah, I mean,
it was definitely a great organization to her part of
you know, to to gon those Finch tribes. For me,
(11:20):
it was an honor. It was it was something that
I felt I would never have the opportunity to do so,
even though it's the same game Um, you definitely feel
a sense of you know, like you feel a little
more in a sit powerful when you put that uniform on.
But um, yeah, those policies shaving and U let New
Jersey speak for ourselves. UM, I definitely do think it
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takes away for them from our individualism. Um as players
and as people. Um, we we experienced ourselves in different ways.
For me, when when I was on the Pirates and
me having my dreadlocks, I'd be blind to you if
I said, if I had to go to the we
got traded over to the Yankees, and I said, you
gotta shave your hair. You know, for me, that was
(12:04):
a very tough thing to do because that was who
I was. That's that's how I expressed myself. That's who
made me Andrew McCutcheon, That's how people notice who I was. Um,
you know, it made me unique. Um So UM, I
think especially in this year, the year of I think, um,
you know, I just feel like these these things are
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it should be things that people should take at heart
and realize that, you know, we we have a way
of expressing ourselves in different ways. And I definitely feel
like maybe there should be some change there in the
in the future who knows when. But yeah, it those
are just one of the many things, um, in this
game that I feel, um that just that just needs
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it needs to be talked about, It needs to be addressed.
I mean, what can we do? So so Desmond brings
up only one black GM two black managers, now less
than eight percent black players. I'm a forty year old
who idolized. I mean I was laying in bed last
night sort of thinking over this interview. I was thinking
of the Dwight It into the Darryl Strawberries, the Ken
Griffy's obviously even down to the Kevin Mitchell year in
the Giants, Like these guys, we were top of their game.
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What happened? It seems like a trickle down from from
the front office down that that that the African American
culture just hasn't gravitated towards baseball. Yeah, you know, you
don't have to try and pinpoint this. And believe me,
I've been trying to pinpoint this for quite some time
and quite from the years now. Um, the game in itself,
because I remember I had guys who I admired as
(13:30):
a little kid when I sat down in front of
the TV and I would watch someone who looked like
me and someone who I wanted to play the game,
like being someone like King gerse Jr. Watching him play
this game with a flare that stood out amongst so
many other people. You know, I wasn't looking at his
color as a young kid. I wasn't saying because he's black,
like I have a chance. I was just looking at
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him because he just was different and he played the
game with a flare that no one had, and for
me that that resonated with me because I wanted to
do that same thing as a kid. So I tried
to emulate him in so many ways. And I just
feel like with the game now, you know, there there's
so many, so many different outlets. And I and I
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talked about this before in an article UM talking about
the game and the access to the games, the amount
of money that has to be spent, and realizing that
it is so hard for families to be able to
provide for UH kids, especially kids of color Um inter
city kids, kids of families that are making lower income,
that this game has just become a game that is expensive,
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so it it kicks those kids out at a certain point,
it kicks them out to where they can't keep continuing
to to play this game if they want exposure, uh,
if they want to be on these teams that are
that are the teams to be a part of. Um,
it gets to a point that where there's a line
that they can't cross because it just the game just
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becomes too expensive, the accessibility of it becomes too hard.
So I think that's just what happened over time, is
you know, these these games, the tournaments, these teams is
starting to cater to an upper class of people who
can afford to to play the game and uh, to
be able to to make it further and to be seen. Um,
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it just starts to cater to a certain class. So
I think that's what's starting to happen. Honestly, that's just
one of the things. And we know the statistics, especially
in black families. You know, the single family home is
pretty big in the black family, in the black in
the black community, and um, it's hard for those fams
still provide for those kids to play this game. After
this more with Philadelphia Phillies All Star outfielder Andrew McCutcheon.
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back to Andrew. You going back this season. You know,
whatever it ends up being in obviously, Black Lives Matter
will still be on the minds of of of players.
And you know, no one would ever call baseball you know,
a kind of friendly nature when it comes to politics.
I mean, we said the same thing about NASCAR, and
they look great right now. There's a lot of progression there.
Do you expect to walk into a locker room that
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understands what's went on the last few months? Yes, And
though I feel that there will be some people that
understand it, um, but I do feel that it needs
to continue to be talked about. And with the amount
of African Americans that are in this game being that
it is only not even eight percent, that it's something
that will if we don't talk about it, it will
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easily be swept under a road. So it's just because
it's just we don't have many people that represent us
in this game, and you know, there aren't and there's
some guys who aren't in my position. You know, there's
some guys who feel you know, they may want to
say something or speak up or talk about it, but
at the same time they don't. They don't want to
feel that the oversteps in their boundaries or feel like
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they're making people uncomfortable considering that they're they're one of
maybe three African Americans in the clubhouse if that um So,
if it's not addressed amongst the team or the clubhouse,
then it's something that more than likely won't be talked about.
And so it takes people like myself and and others
in this game to be able to speak up and
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to be able to make this a public um and
not just in the in clubhouses from one team to
the other, hoping that these things that happened if we
don't make them happen, and more than likely you won't. Yeah,
I hope. I hope to see baseball of all that way.
Truly as a fan. I it has bothered me in
the past, and I think this is the time for
a lot of sports to finally face it. I wanted
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to ask kind of in closing, and then I'll do
a fun little game with you about Uncle Larry, some
questions I have about him. With with COVID numbers rising,
guys like Desmond making the decisions and woman still on
the fence, have you questioned returning at all? Um, They're
definitely had more times where I question returning. Um myself
considering my family and knowing the difficulties of the season
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and how it's gonna be. Um, you know, my family
is gonna have to She's been my my wife and
she's gonna have to uproot her the kids and move
from one place to the other. After we've already moved,
you know, a couple of times already this year. So
that's gonna be difficult in itself. Um. So there's so
many different variables that go along with this season. But
I love the game and you know, I haven't played
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since June fourth last year, and you know, I want
to play this game as much as possible because I
know there's a time that's gonna come where you know,
I won't be playing anymore. So, you know, with all
of that, and we're thinking things through, I was, you know,
we made the decision that you know that this is
something you know that I want to do. And my
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wife m of course, she she supports that. And yeah,
I mean I thought about it at first, but after
talking about it and really going over things, Uh, this
decision that we made and we feel, um, we feel
good about it. Great. Well, I wanted to play a
game with you, something I feel passionate about. If that's cool.
It's called would Uncle Larry? Okay, I'm gonna give you
some situations and you tell me if Uncle Larry would
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or would not do this thing? Is that cool with you? Okay,
let's go all right, here we go. My number one,
would uncle Larry ask for someone's phone number at a
family reunion? Uh? Yeah, it depends, It depends on it
depends on what he gets out of the out of
the deal. But it's always it's always all about him, Okay.
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Would Uncle Larry order a whopper at McDonald's and then
laugh at his own joke for twenty minutes, even though
he's been doing it for decades, Um, No, he's probably
not gonna order order a whopper. Um, he has a
sweet tooth, so on the more un like you'd be
like a mixed Larry or something like that. Okay, well,
he's definitely gonna you're going that, okay, alright, So this
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plays into it a little because it's still food related.
Would Uncle Larry eat sunflower seeds in his car? And
would he spit him in a cup or put him
out the window when he's done with the shells? All right?
So if there's his car and I'm in the car
with him, he's just gonna spit him in my face. Um.
And if it's someone else's car then yeah then uh yeah,
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he'll probably be nice about it, and and um you know, okay,
good a couple of left. Would Uncle Larry talk about
how easy you have it all the time and repeatedly
remind you that his parents used to whip him for
coughing too loud? Um? Yeah, he definitely, he definitely would Yeah,
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he's gonna stress the truth. He keeps he keeps stressing
the truth. Okay, Yeah, that's something he definitely do. I
like that. Okay. Would Uncle Larry watch Unsolved Mysteries with
a pen and pad because he thinks he can solve them? Um? Noca.
He doesn't. He doesn't like crime, so all right, he's
gonna avoid that one last one. Would Uncle Larry go
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to a roller rink in twenty and bring his own
Joda see tape for the DJ to play? Yeah, he's definitely.
He's all about and that whole genre. So he's gonna
bring and probably a couple of other good a couple
of other albums. Um. But yeah, that's that's all about that.
He could definitely do that. To me, it was crucial
(21:48):
it was a tape. I felt like Uncle Larry's definitely
a tape guy. Yeah, he's all about tape, right vrs.
So that's in camp orters Andrew stay safe. It was
such a fan can't wait to see you back on
the field. And I'll stay on your social media because
it truly is one of my favorite things going. All right,
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Welcome to the Sports Bubble, a production of I Heart
Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen Carp and
I'm a sports fan and my office is looking more
and more like Claire Dane's workspace and Homeland. I'm keeping
track of every positive test in sports, connecting them by
strings and marking the hotspots, and I'm gonna be honest
(00:24):
with you, it's hard to keep up. Things are changing constantly,
and even Adam Silver admits now with coming up on
ten percent positive tests in the NBA, there's no running
from the virus. And all this is happening while the
country continues to seek justice and equality, opening its eyes
to the struggle black people of face. Since what feels
like the beginning of time, it's a lot to handle.
What what? Oh? Okay? Another positive? Well, I'll post it
(00:47):
on the board when I'm done with this intro. Quite
a workload these days, mostly because I'm still talking to
athletes and sports and just sup professionals about what they're
doing during this very weird time because even they have
no idea what's gonna happen. Trust me, it's all in
the sports bubble. One of baseball's best players, Andrew McCutcheon
is also one of the league's best assets when it
comes to personality. Anyone who's followed the five time All
(01:09):
Star in two thousand fifteen and l m v P
on social media knows he's hilarious and witty and thoughtful,
all attributes that have made him a fan favorite. But
I've often wondered why his sense of humor hasn't sent
him into mainstream orbit, like say, how Blake Griffin did
with the NBA during quarantine. He's even created a hilarious
alter ego named Uncle Larry, a mustachioed elderly man in
sunglasses and a ridiculous wig who also appears to hate
(01:31):
Andrew's guts. It's super funny. And then there's this new
viral Tops Baseball card the debuted last week that you
just have to google to appreciate. The guy is a
meme machine that everyone should know about. So in this conversation,
Andrew and I talked about the culture of baseball and
why maybe his type of swagger isn't necessarily appreciated enough.
We also chat about returning from injury, conforming for the Yankees,
(01:51):
baseball's need for African American outreach, and how or if
Major League Baseball locker rooms can actually adapt to Black
Lives matter. Move man. Listen. If this gets you to
at least follow Andrew and uncle Larry on social media,
well my job here is done, so let's chop it up.
On this episode of the Sports Bubble with Jensen Carton
(02:19):
from Andrew mccushion to accept press one. Hello Andrew, nice
to meet you. Thanks for doing this. Oh yeah, no problem,
Thanks for having me. I wanted to start off. I
know you went viral in this new rental house. You
took a picture kind of playing off the Will Smith meme.
I wanted to talk to you for a second before
the move. Where did you spend quarantine? Okay, so there
(02:42):
was a couple of places I spent my quarantine. Of course.
I was in clear Water, continuing my rehab there at
the Strange training facilities. And then I left clear Water
and went and went back home to to my hometown.
When I'm at hometown, but where I live in Pittsburgh.
So I was at those two places. And yeah, I'm
(03:02):
in Philadelphia. Yeah. I don't mean to be your uncle
Phil here, but I'm nervous that you won't be able
to furnish the house during a quarantine and get a sofa.
Oh yeah, so yeah, I uh what I mean. And
my wife we we purchased some furniture last year in
Philadelphia and we just left it in storage here. So
whenever we rent, when we come back the Philadelphia for
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the season, we just get that stuff out of storage.
So I had the moving company and get our stuff
out of storage and bring our things the next day
after I posted that that picture. So so that's that's
kind of what we do. It just right when I
came to the house. Right, it gave me that feel
of of that episode. So I just figured out, I'm
by myself not doing anything, might as well just just
(03:46):
posted a picture of it. Good. You've you've, you've well,
you've you've saved my fears of what you're gonna be
doing in Philly. But you're you're coming off a season
ending injury in two thousand nineteen, a torn a c
L Did the break in working? Did it help or
hurt the schedule you had in mind? This is obviously
the longest you've probably went without baseball by a long shot. Yeah,
you know, there there's definitely a silver line with it
(04:06):
for me. It did help me because you know, I
wasn't going to be ready come March. Whatever day it
was at the opening day, was going to be happening
this year. So for me us having this this break,
it definitely helped me be able to to rehab and
take my time through the rehab process and um, you know,
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so it was it was good for me. And yeah,
it helped me get to feeling ready and ready to
go and ready to play. Well, we have to talk
about my favorite thing from baseball stop down now. It
is the baseball card. I assume this is all you've
been texted about, all you've been emailed about, because it
truly brings a smile to my face. Tops revealed their
(04:49):
big Series two set and there's a picture of you
that a lot of people are calling the greatest baseball
card ever produced. You are wearing a bandana under your hat,
your double cupped in the dugout jersey, half open, chains exposed.
It is truly beautiful. Can you please tell me the
background of this photo? Oh? Yeah, So basically that day,
you know, I was probably a month post stop from
(05:10):
my my a c O surgery. So I had just
got back to Philadelphia after my surgery, um and just
to be around the fellows again. And I was just
trying to bring, you know, a little bit of light
to the season, trying to be positive, trying to you know,
find ways to to be able to make a difference
even though I can't like be on the on the
field and playing. So we had to throw back any
(05:32):
day um of wearing those uniforms, and uh, you know,
I thought there were some pretty dope uniforms. You know,
they had a big zipper in the middle, and I
was like, man, you know, I need to make this
just a retro day. I need to look like, you know,
how I feel in this uniform. So I, you know,
I got what people didn't see. Where the sneakers. The
sneakers were the best part of the of the whole
(05:53):
the whole outfit. What were those? There are just some
throwback nikes that I had. They kind of give you
the feel of the old cortez Um shoe. But yeah,
they were some pretty dope shoes that I was wearing.
So I just I just made the whole outfits you
to down put the chain on, and those uh sunglasses
were actually gave Kapler's um aviators. I guess they're pretty
(06:16):
pretty good pair of sunglasses, and so he was like,
you know, you got to complete the outfit with these sunglasses.
So he gave them to me, and um, double cut
red Bull, and uh I was I was out there
just enjoying myself having a good time. So, yeah, the
card is going for two on ebie. I don't know
if you know that. I'm sure those prices will go
(06:37):
down there. So uh, Now, I wanted to talk a
little bit about your sort of persona on Instagram and
and and Twitter and social media in general. What tell
me how Uncle Larry started? You know, funny thing, I've
always been the type of person to be kind of
quite the the jokester of my family, loving to make
(06:59):
people laugh. Um, I don't know if you did here.
I mean, it's not that far off, but pretty familiar
with buying when buying videos are red big. I used
to love watching buying videos, so I used to make
I used to make uynes all the time and send
them to my family, send them to my wife all
the time, and friends that always say how crazy I
was and how stupid I was. And so once this
(07:20):
quarantine hit my my wife is like, you know, you
should you should do something, you know, make make fun
make light of the situation that you're in. You know,
you you always like to make funny videos. Why don't
you do that? Keep doing it? So I kind of
set with her, talk to her about it, and talked
to my PR guy about it, and and then that's
how Uncle Larry came about. And Uncle Larry, you know,
(07:43):
for people who don't know, it was because of basically,
the way the name came about was because I was
taking bandon frantice during spring training and someone posted a
video of me taking ban in practice and they straight
up watched my name called me launched mc cutcheon, and
I was like, you know, I'm going to take that
around with it. And so that's that's kind of how
(08:05):
it all, how it all came about, the name came about,
and the character came about. I bring up all this
personality stuff and how much fans enjoy seeing you, especially
me your your personality and and and and what you
do online to get to some heavier stuff because with
COVID and the murder of George Floyd and the resulting
response from America finally opening their eyes to the struggles
(08:28):
that black people have been facing for hundreds of years.
I was genuinely moved by Ian Desmond's Instagram post this
past week. Did did you get to read it? Yeah?
I definitely ran through that and it was it was
definitely moving to hear and read some of the things
that he had to talk about, for sure. Yeah, and
a lot of stuff stuck out to me. I mean, honestly,
it's been sort of plaguing me all week, and and
it's been mentioned by a Mere Garrett, a former guest
(08:49):
on the show as well, and a sort of roundabout
way on Instagram. But one part I can't shake it
involves Ian bringing up sort of a good old boy
culture that exists in baseball, and what he describes is
quote unquote white rules to the sport. Don't have fun,
don't pimp home runs, don't play with with your character,
don't do anything fancy. It's kind of the opposite of
what the NBA has sort of found popularity within. And
(09:10):
it started to hit me that this eye for an eye.
You know, you you throw your bat, you get hit
or it feels kind of racial, and it obviously did
to Ian Desmond as well. What did you take out
of that angle on it? Yeah, I mean there are
some unwritten rules to this game and to this sport
that we play in. There's so many rules that are unwritten,
so many things and uh, so many creeds and guidelines
(09:34):
that that you know, that that you're a part of
and that you have to be taught in this game.
And you know, there are a lot of the there's
ways that they people take things. They take things too
different ways, you know. You know, I definitely like to
look at it. And you know, Adam Jones has said
this before as well. He said, Uh, if I if
I get mad or if I throw my back, um,
(09:56):
I get heated in the situation, I'm being angry. Um.
But they said, you know, if there was a white
guy who does the same thing, he's being the gamer, um,
you know. And he was like, and there are certain
situations like that where you do see two different sides
taken in two different ways even though there's two people
doing the same thing. And that does happen in this game. Uh.
(10:17):
And the unwritten rules in this game that we feel
like we have to abide by and um, at the
same time, I just feel, you know, there's there's there
needs to be changing it, and there needs to be
an understanding of what we're talking about in ways that
we need to go about it here, coming from here
and moving forward in the future. Yeah, I mean I
thought about you know, the Yankees came to mind. You
(10:39):
played there obviously, the shaving of the beard, requirements, not
overshadowing the jersey, letting that kind of be the star. Uh.
You know, this morning before we talked, the Yankees organization
said that they look forward to sort of the Black
Lives Matter movement showing itself in the game. It's difficult
for me to accept those rules in even the shaving
of the beard, which seems so miniscule, but it's like
(11:00):
the individualism of baseball and and the issues with black
representation in the league. It seems like they're not catering
to what maybe the black community might be looking for
in baseball back in the day with Ken Griffey Jr.
And people me and you looked up to. Yeah, I mean,
it was definitely a great organization to her part of
you know, to to gon those Finch tribes. For me,
(11:20):
it was an honor. It was it was something that
I felt I would never have the opportunity to do so,
even though it's the same game Um, you definitely feel
a sense of you know, like you feel a little
more in a sit powerful when you put that uniform on.
But um, yeah, those policies shaving and U let New
Jersey speak for ourselves. UM, I definitely do think it
(11:43):
takes away for them from our individualism. Um as players
and as people. Um, we we experienced ourselves in different ways.
For me, when when I was on the Pirates and
me having my dreadlocks, I'd be blind to you if
I said, if I had to go to the we
got traded over to the Yankees, and I said, you
gotta shave your hair. You know, for me, that was
(12:04):
a very tough thing to do because that was who
I was. That's that's how I expressed myself. That's who
made me Andrew McCutcheon, That's how people notice who I was. Um,
you know, it made me unique. Um So UM, I
think especially in this year, the year of I think, um,
you know, I just feel like these these things are
(12:24):
it should be things that people should take at heart
and realize that, you know, we we have a way
of expressing ourselves in different ways. And I definitely feel
like maybe there should be some change there in the
in the future who knows when. But yeah, it those
are just one of the many things, um, in this
game that I feel, um that just that just needs
(12:46):
it needs to be talked about, It needs to be addressed.
I mean, what can we do? So so Desmond brings
up only one black GM two black managers, now less
than eight percent black players. I'm a forty year old
who idolized. I mean I was laying in bed last
night sort of thinking over this interview. I was thinking
of the Dwight It into the Darryl Strawberries, the Ken
Griffy's obviously even down to the Kevin Mitchell year in
the Giants, Like these guys, we were top of their game.
(13:08):
What happened? It seems like a trickle down from from
the front office down that that that the African American
culture just hasn't gravitated towards baseball. Yeah, you know, you
don't have to try and pinpoint this. And believe me,
I've been trying to pinpoint this for quite some time
and quite from the years now. Um, the game in itself,
because I remember I had guys who I admired as
(13:30):
a little kid when I sat down in front of
the TV and I would watch someone who looked like
me and someone who I wanted to play the game,
like being someone like King gerse Jr. Watching him play
this game with a flare that stood out amongst so
many other people. You know, I wasn't looking at his
color as a young kid. I wasn't saying because he's black,
like I have a chance. I was just looking at
(13:50):
him because he just was different and he played the
game with a flare that no one had, and for
me that that resonated with me because I wanted to
do that same thing as a kid. So I tried
to emulate him in so many ways. And I just
feel like with the game now, you know, there there's
so many, so many different outlets. And I and I
(14:10):
talked about this before in an article UM talking about
the game and the access to the games, the amount
of money that has to be spent, and realizing that
it is so hard for families to be able to
provide for UH kids, especially kids of color Um inter
city kids, kids of families that are making lower income,
that this game has just become a game that is expensive,
(14:34):
so it it kicks those kids out at a certain point,
it kicks them out to where they can't keep continuing
to to play this game if they want exposure, uh,
if they want to be on these teams that are
that are the teams to be a part of. Um,
it gets to a point that where there's a line
that they can't cross because it just the game just
(14:54):
becomes too expensive, the accessibility of it becomes too hard.
So I think that's just what happened over time, is
you know, these these games, the tournaments, these teams is
starting to cater to an upper class of people who
can afford to to play the game and uh, to
be able to to make it further and to be seen. Um,
(15:16):
it just starts to cater to a certain class. So
I think that's what's starting to happen. Honestly, that's just
one of the things. And we know the statistics, especially
in black families. You know, the single family home is
pretty big in the black family, in the black in
the black community, and um, it's hard for those fams
still provide for those kids to play this game. After
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back to Andrew. You going back this season. You know,
whatever it ends up being in obviously, Black Lives Matter
will still be on the minds of of of players.
And you know, no one would ever call baseball you know,
a kind of friendly nature when it comes to politics.
I mean, we said the same thing about NASCAR, and
they look great right now. There's a lot of progression there.
Do you expect to walk into a locker room that
(16:48):
understands what's went on the last few months? Yes, And
though I feel that there will be some people that
understand it, um, but I do feel that it needs
to continue to be talked about. And with the amount
of African Americans that are in this game being that
it is only not even eight percent, that it's something
that will if we don't talk about it, it will
(17:09):
easily be swept under a road. So it's just because
it's just we don't have many people that represent us
in this game, and you know, there aren't and there's
some guys who aren't in my position. You know, there's
some guys who feel you know, they may want to
say something or speak up or talk about it, but
at the same time they don't. They don't want to
feel that the oversteps in their boundaries or feel like
(17:30):
they're making people uncomfortable considering that they're they're one of
maybe three African Americans in the clubhouse if that um So,
if it's not addressed amongst the team or the clubhouse,
then it's something that more than likely won't be talked about.
And so it takes people like myself and and others
in this game to be able to speak up and
(17:52):
to be able to make this a public um and
not just in the in clubhouses from one team to
the other, hoping that these things that happened if we
don't make them happen, and more than likely you won't. Yeah,
I hope. I hope to see baseball of all that way.
Truly as a fan. I it has bothered me in
the past, and I think this is the time for
a lot of sports to finally face it. I wanted
(18:13):
to ask kind of in closing, and then I'll do
a fun little game with you about Uncle Larry, some
questions I have about him. With with COVID numbers rising,
guys like Desmond making the decisions and woman still on
the fence, have you questioned returning at all? Um, They're
definitely had more times where I question returning. Um myself
considering my family and knowing the difficulties of the season
(18:33):
and how it's gonna be. Um, you know, my family
is gonna have to She's been my my wife and
she's gonna have to uproot her the kids and move
from one place to the other. After we've already moved,
you know, a couple of times already this year. So
that's gonna be difficult in itself. Um. So there's so
many different variables that go along with this season. But
I love the game and you know, I haven't played
(18:55):
since June fourth last year, and you know, I want
to play this game as much as possible because I
know there's a time that's gonna come where you know,
I won't be playing anymore. So, you know, with all
of that, and we're thinking things through, I was, you know,
we made the decision that you know that this is
something you know that I want to do. And my
(19:16):
wife m of course, she she supports that. And yeah,
I mean I thought about it at first, but after
talking about it and really going over things, Uh, this
decision that we made and we feel, um, we feel
good about it. Great. Well, I wanted to play a
game with you, something I feel passionate about. If that's cool.
It's called would Uncle Larry? Okay, I'm gonna give you
some situations and you tell me if Uncle Larry would
(19:38):
or would not do this thing? Is that cool with you? Okay,
let's go all right, here we go. My number one,
would uncle Larry ask for someone's phone number at a
family reunion? Uh? Yeah, it depends, It depends on it
depends on what he gets out of the out of
the deal. But it's always it's always all about him, Okay.
(20:00):
Would Uncle Larry order a whopper at McDonald's and then
laugh at his own joke for twenty minutes, even though
he's been doing it for decades, Um, No, he's probably
not gonna order order a whopper. Um, he has a
sweet tooth, so on the more un like you'd be
like a mixed Larry or something like that. Okay, well,
he's definitely gonna you're going that, okay, alright, So this
(20:22):
plays into it a little because it's still food related.
Would Uncle Larry eat sunflower seeds in his car? And
would he spit him in a cup or put him
out the window when he's done with the shells? All right?
So if there's his car and I'm in the car
with him, he's just gonna spit him in my face. Um.
And if it's someone else's car then yeah then uh yeah,
(20:44):
he'll probably be nice about it, and and um you know, okay,
good a couple of left. Would Uncle Larry talk about
how easy you have it all the time and repeatedly
remind you that his parents used to whip him for
coughing too loud? Um? Yeah, he definitely, he definitely would Yeah,
(21:05):
he's gonna stress the truth. He keeps he keeps stressing
the truth. Okay, Yeah, that's something he definitely do. I
like that. Okay. Would Uncle Larry watch Unsolved Mysteries with
a pen and pad because he thinks he can solve them? Um? Noca.
He doesn't. He doesn't like crime, so all right, he's
gonna avoid that one last one. Would Uncle Larry go
(21:27):
to a roller rink in twenty and bring his own
Joda see tape for the DJ to play? Yeah, he's definitely.
He's all about and that whole genre. So he's gonna
bring and probably a couple of other good a couple
of other albums. Um. But yeah, that's that's all about that.
He could definitely do that. To me, it was crucial
(21:48):
it was a tape. I felt like Uncle Larry's definitely
a tape guy. Yeah, he's all about tape, right vrs.
So that's in camp orters Andrew stay safe. It was
such a fan can't wait to see you back on
the field. And I'll stay on your social media because
it truly is one of my favorite things going. All right,
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