June 24, 2020 • 32 mins
Julie Foudy is an absolute legend. The soccer icon and two-time World Cup champion has fought for human and civil rights her entire career – exemplifying what it means to be a captain on and off the field. In this chat, Foudy discusses the difficult decisions that athletes will make as they return to their sports, why athletes like Colin Kaepernick and Megan Rapinoe are the leaders we need, and her thoughts on racial bias, social injustice, and player protest. Julie and Jensen also get into who should play her in the upcoming Netflix movie about the iconic ’99 U.S. Women’s National team, her ESPN podcast, Laughter Permitted and some deliciously controversial donut debate you can't pass up. This episode and series supports FeedingAmerica.org. For more of The No-Sports Report, visit treefort.fm/the-no-sports-report
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to The No Sports Report, a production of I
Heart Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen Carpet.
I'm a sports fan, which nowadays means I'm basically a
contract layer, because if you want to follow any news
story involving athletics, it's about players unions and profit sharing
and TV deals and never ending negotiations. Will NBA players
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wear rings that alert officials if they're running high temperature?
Will baseball players start extra innings with a runner on
second base? By the way, that's a real one. Will
tennis players have to wear birkenstocks while playing to lessen
the chance of spreading the virus at tournaments. I've made
that one up, but it wouldn't be far off. Sure,
we're weeks away from Major League starting back up, but
are we? I guess only time will tell, and I'll
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keep asking these athletes and sports industry professionals what they're
up to during this very weird time in American history.
All on the No Sports Report. With some sports now,
it would be difficult to find a global sporting event
that has had as much of an impact on our
country as the Women's World Cup. Maybe the Miracle on Ice,
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the Battle of the sexes at that time. Jose Can
Saco head butt at a ball over the fence, but
there's something about that group of women that captured an
entire nation's heart in Shane Soccer Forever in midfielder Julie
Foudy was an integral part of that unforgettable team and
an unniable positive energy for the sport in general. She's
a two time World Cup champion. She was also part
of the ninety one inaugural US team, a two time
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Olympic gold medalist, the first American and woman to receive
the FIFA fair Play Award for promoting the spirit of
fair play and compassion, and she's a National Soccer Hall
of Famer in the first all female inducting class. She's
fought for human and civil rights her entire career. She's
instrumental in the country's definition of Title nine. She hosts
soccer clinics around the world and even visited Pakistan to
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ensure rebox labor conditions were humane. She's the former president
of the Women's Sports Foundation, she co founded the Julie
Foudy Sports Leadership Academy, and she can now be seen
on ESPN as a soccer analyst and heard on her
own podcast, Laughter Permitted. She's a true legend in so
many ways, and today we talked about making the personal
decision to return to sports, who will play her in
an upcoming Netflix movie, and we deep dive into donuts.
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We had all the important stuff on this week's No
Sports Report with some sports Now how from Julia Julia
to accept press one as Hello, Julie hij Hi. I
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know things have been relaxing lately around the world, so
everyone is sort of moving out on their own pace.
But I want to know where you've been quarantined and
with who oh gosh. I have been quarantined in San Clementi,
Southern California, my home. It's a great place to be quarantined.
A lot of trails and hiking and a beach that's
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right around the corner. And uh so we've been spending
a lot of time outside, me and my family. And
you have two kids, correct, i'd you yeah, And I
have a husband who cook. Yeah. It's good living that
is truly. That's like a gold mining and finding a
huge gold piece in quarantine, I know, and he's always
been a really good chef. But like you, just with
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the chaos of life. You never have time to to
hunger in and cook like he has. And he is,
you know, checking out recipes, trying new things. I'm like,
I love this man in quarantine. Let's go. That is great.
I I was nervous because I did I do know
you're from Mission vie Ho. Mission Viejo is in Orange County.
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I am all I do all day is worry about
Orange County. Now they they've decided to not make masks mandatory. Oh,
I know, it's so stupid, right, it's terrifying. Where are
you from. I'm from I'm from Woodland Hills. I'm from
the valley. Okay, I know, well another topic for another day.
But sure that's what happens when your leader, when your
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leader doesn't promote it, right, I agree. I mean my
wife and I went out to for the first time.
We decided we would not sit inside of a restaurant.
We have a one year old, so we wanted to
get him out into the world, so he's a little
less of a bubble boy. And we sat outside of
a Baja Fresh. We ordered with our mask on, walked outside,
wait until the food came to take our mask off.
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I'm telling you, it's not even enjoyable. Yeah, it's a
weird feeling. I know, we haven't actually went out to eat,
and I don't know. I just I can't even imagine
having a young kid right now. Our kids are eleven
and thirteen. I say that all the time. I'm like,
oh my god, you're not having him in school or
just being young and so young that you know you
constantly have to be attentive. It's kind of nice to
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be able to say like, okay, you're good on school. Yeah, okay, good,
I'm gonna trust that right now. I have talked about
this numerous times on the podcast. I actually believe the
exact opposite, which is that with my one year old,
I could hand him wrapping paper and and he's busy
for two hours. You have kids who have full functioning brains.
You have to do home schooling. How have you been
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passing the time? Actually, they're they're like the perfect age
because they're very self sufficient and the only thing they
have yet to conquer is the five course meal that
they should be cooking for us, which I would have
then qualified this as a complete success. Um, but yeah,
they're actually and my my thirteen year old girls is
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amazing with that. Like she's always been a great self starter,
very on top of the school and homework and all
of that, so her making that transition was super easy.
The eleven year old boy, I said, look, I'm gonna
give you ownership, buddy. And the teacher is a friend,
so I would occasionally check in with her, like, hey,
is he turning stuff in? She like, could you let
me know if he's not. He's like, no, he's been great.
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You're all good. So yeah, they were. They were really good.
I mean, I they're super eager to get back into
school and see kids and friends and everything else. So
I'm hoping that happens, but I know we're still plays
away from that. Is there anything that you picked up,
new hobbies, stuff you've been binging? When you look back
on quarantine, what what? What? What sticks out them was
as far as what you've been able to do? Mm hmm.
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The chaos of just what I realized and I think
everyone has is it's just it was to find the
silver lining. It was a moment to actually take a
breass right and to just go, oh my gosh, we're
running from saying to think and sport to sport and
activity to activity, and to even be able to sit
around a dinner table and talk and eat and share
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a laugh and do all those things together as a
family was something that was a rarity. So that has
been a joy. Like I was saying, my husband has
been cooking a ton, and he's a great cook, and
so to be able to spend time around the dinner table,
and um, we do something at the dinner table that
we introduced on the podcast as well on my podcast,
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which is you know high low cheer, so they're high
of the day, they're low of the day, and someone
they cheer four or something they cheer four, and so, um,
we've been doing that during quarantine a ton. And then
just time to actually sit and watch things that you
didn't get a watch, like we we do movie night
practically every night, or game night or very competitive so
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we play a lot of ping pong and volleyball and
soccer and everything. Pickle ball is our new thing we've
taken up. So I've just and I'm on the road
all the time for work. So to have that continuity
and routine and time was it was actually I looked
back and I go, God, that was incredible, like really
blessed in that sense. Yeah, and you're you're actually not
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the first person to bring up pick a ball, so
that it seems like some people have been have gravitated
towards it. But we don't mess around with our pickaball either, Jensen,
I like taped out of cord on the front. We
had a net, I marked it, I taped it. I
got the really like industrial relitate stucco tape and it's
and we have the tournament. We don't mess around. Oh,
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I would not think the Foudy household is anything else.
But a lot of people have been binging television and
movies and all sorts of things. And right before Quarantine,
speaking of binging, Netflix announced it's working on a movie
about the historic World Cup team you were on. You
were such an integral part of As someone who has
not yet had a movie made about my life, how
do you hear about that? Like do they call you? Like,
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how does that? How does that come together? We? Well,
we have a movie. Um, you know, we were in
the tager part of the process with the eight there's
eight of us on on the team of the twenty
that they purchased the life rights too. Although the film
will be on, you know, the whole team of course.
So the eight of us had been very engaged for
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the last couple of years because this is something that's
been in the works for a while. And Netflix when
they heard about it, which was really neat, they jumped
right in and said let's go. So then that happened
really quickly, and the announcement of it and all of
those things. But yeah, we we knew this was coming,
and it was you know, how do you in the
middle of a quarantine kind of get the word out?
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So we came up to the idea. They came up
with the idea of that video. We're passing the ball
to each other. But yeah, it's gonna be really neat
because it's not a documentary, it's a it's a feature film,
it's a movie movie, and and so they'll have to
write it and cast it in all those things. It's
a ways away, but it's still pretty cool. Well, I
did find a website that had some casting suggestions for you,
do you have someone in mind, because here's here's what
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the website threw out. They threw out Anna Camp, who's
an incredible actress. Throughout Claire Foy, who I love as well,
and then I this was a dark horse for you,
but Cecily Strong from SNL, who I love very much.
But I don't know if I see it. But is
there someone that you know, without spoiling anyone who's talking
to anyone, was there someone when this idea first got
thrown out there that you went, you know it would
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be a good me? Okay, well that's different casting allow it.
I mean she's being brought up a lot as a
new statue. Everyone wants her, everyone wants her to take
over the Confederate spaces. Yeah, no, I of course, it's
a fun game to play, and we all we all
actually were like do we gonna say in this? And
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who do we want to be? And so we start
doing playing that game. And so I've seen a lot
of that on Twitter and social media, which is fun.
But I don't have any preferences. I know they'll do
a great job. I mean it's nice to hear too
that it's getting a ton of interest from really good
writers and and actors as well. So I do think
it's it could be a really cool, cool movie. More
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with Julie after this. Now let's get back to Julie.
We talked a little about the fact that a lot
of the country is reopening and there's been such a
large magnifying glass on sports, which some people saw coming.
I did not. Who will play, who won't play. As
we're doing this interview, I've heard Major League Baseball is
inching closer, even after hearing they weren't going to And
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we here on the show have reported on Major League
Soccers practices and what they're allowing. What have you heard
about what's going on with men's soccer and women's soccer
as far as getting back out there and creating something
it doesn't sound like a sci fi movie. Well, the
first to actually get out will be in USL, which
is the Women's Professional League. They're they're actually gonna take
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off on g seven and they're out of Utah where
they're going to have a thirty day They're going to
call it the Challenge Cup at the SOD Day tournament,
and they'll have group play and then eventually, you know,
knockout stages and then a winner at the end of it.
Um MLS, of course, is also getting back together, as
they announced recently in Orlando, and I think the reason
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NWUSL got out of the gate still fast as it's nineteens, right,
it's a smaller league. It's easier to try and put
all the protocols in place and the procedures in place,
and and really keep a bubble around that group. Whereas
when you're dealing with MLS and twenty six teams and
having all of them there and NBA's there as well.
I mean, it's a much larger venture I think what
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NWSL was doing. So yeah, so NWSL is gonna be
the first out of the gates, which is great. Not
all national team players, I think are going to play,
like Megan Rapino recently. Yeah she's dropping out, right, Yeah
she's not playing. And I think you'll find a couple
more national teamers won't play. But it looks like because
there were quite a few on the sets earlier and
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they still could a day before this even starts saying
I'm not comfortable based on what they see in Utah,
and there's you know, of course it's going to be
no repercussions, they say, US Soccer and the national team
care if they want to drop out. But I think
you will see most to the national team play. I
mean I've been I've not hit in my feelings about
this on the podcast. I am very concerned about the
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health of athletes. I know, uh, there's been some issues
recently with the Dallas Cowboys, the w w E has
been having outbreaks, Auburn, Mississippi State, Alabama. I feel uncomfortable
with players signing these waivers that we're hearing about in
their contracts about if they get sick. And I look
to someone like you, someone who's done so much work
for human rights and and and you know the correct
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thing to do. What what is your feeling on on
getting back to sports. Yeah, I mean it's a hard one.
I I I get we want to see people playing
and we want them back out there, and we have
to return somesence of normalcy. But you also look at
you know, a month ago, we thought that you got
to July and we would be seeing obviously the curve
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not just flattened, but go down. And what are we
seeing in this country right is that you have a
lot of states right now when we're starting to open
things up, and especially with a variance of standards and
regulations and rules and how people are dealing with it,
that you know, you're starting to see the numbers rising,
which um concerns me, honestly, and I think that's where
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you know you talked to NWSL. They say, Look, we
talked to fifteen doctors, We've had all of these consultants,
we have all of these procedures, were doing all of
these precautions to make sure that we're staying in one place.
They're calling it their village, and there is really a
bubble around them, and they have procedures where people test
positive and all these things. But at the same time,
everyone's different than how they approached that, right, Like, my
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comfort level may be very different than another person. And
so I think the most important thing that the players
secured was the right to say at any time, I'm
not comfortable, and if I'm not comfortable, I'm not going
to get my salary, doc, I'm not going to get cut,
I'm not going to have these repercussions. And I think
that's an important piece of it, obviously, because of the
variance of comfort levels. For that so, I think about
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if I was in that moment, and when people say, well,
why isn't Megan Rapino playing, I say, why are we
judging that? That's her decision to make right and who
knows what's happening outside of our lives with other people, right,
So I'm never going to judge that at this time. Um,
I really think it's a personal thing. I don't know
honestly what I would have done. I would have need
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to seen all the procedures and protopils and all of
those things to have some level of comfort, I think,
And I guess my thing is and I keep going
back to it, even in my own normal life, you know,
trying to go you hear movie theaters. I'm a big
movie watcher. I love That's how I get away and
kind of decompressed sometimes. And I'm not willing to be
on the guinea pig, you know line I I will
let others go first. And in sports, it feels like
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I genuinely feel since day one, since those NBA postponements,
I feel like we've been looking to athletes to tell
us what's right or wrong, and that that feels real bad. Yeah,
I feel like we've been looking to the NBA, right, Um,
I think you have a commissioner that in Adam Silver,
that people trust and like and um, and so as
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they go, you do feel other leagues and entities kind
of going, oh okay, they're comfortable with it. We're comfortable, Okay,
they're not comingtable with it, wrestle with it. Which is
really interesting in terms of just a leadership right which
I think is missing right now in this and and
and that we're not even talking about it. Really is
a country which is crazy to me. I mean, I'm
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in Orange County and so we've got a lot of
parents who are very eager to get back out and
playing and going, and I get it, but it's also
like the wait, let's also take a moment and breathe first,
I can say what what's going on here? I mean
we as a nation. I guess our our president or
I'd listen. I'd rather call out him silver our president.
But but uh, someone who hasn't talked to you know,
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our COVID team in two weeks. You know, all these
guys are racing to start a season that will always
have an asterisk next to it. I mean, it's to me,
and you've said you feel like you go back and
forth and it's individual. But it's like, at the end
of the day, when we look back on highly doubt
we're going to be talking about those twenty two games
of NBA. We got to watch it feels strange. Yeah,
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And I think it also feels strange just with all
that's happening with George Floyd, and I mean sports feels
weird to make like even with and I know, Gentsen,
you guys are are having these conversations on your podcast,
but you know, we've had to totally look at, Okay,
what are our conversations we've had with black athletes and
are we talking about this enough? And then we realized, like,
you know, we were having these conversations about and we
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interview all female athletes and not just the athletes who've
had Robin robertson and you know, I talked to Robin
Roberts about the struggles of being a woman in our industry,
but never a black women in our industry. So we're
not telling the full story right, as unintentional as it is.
So we've gone back and said, hey, can we can
we get this right? And so to me, even discussion
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sports sometimes right now, with all of this going on
and the craziness, it's like I have a hard time
turning my attention to it. It's a weird up and
down for me as well, because that's how I feel initially,
and then sometimes you hear what Lebron is saying. You
hear some of the players who I look up to
in that way, and and you hear them say, this
is this is an avenue where we could be able
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to show that kind of protests. And I know you
you've been dealing with these barriers put up by men
in power, Like you said, kind of a different angle.
But these last few weeks with with a totally different
minority group looking for what they deserve. I mean, it
feels like such a no brainer to people like you
and me. But do you think that the fan, the
average sports fan will be able to see those forms
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of protests the same way you and I would like
or is it just still just sports? Um, give me,
give me more context the protests at events like athletes protesting?
Are you talking like general protests? I'm talking about athlete
protests because here's my thing, right, So, Lebron James has
been told to shut up and dribble too many times
in my opinion to think that the whole world is
going to change and give him the correct kind of
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credit that he deserves when he gets back out there.
And I understand that their ideas are going to be awesome.
I'm going to be applauding him, You're going to be
applauding them. But at the same time, the sports community
to me, and I guess I could be proven wrong,
but you know, based on the NFL over the past,
I don't know ten to fifteen years, I don't trust
those those protests in the wrong hands, and I guess
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that concerns me. Yeah, I do sense that we're chipping
away at that feeling and I and I and it
may just be allowed minority right um of the shut
up and dribbles, because you see it now in the
Cleveland Brown quarterback Baker maybe right when he came out
the other day saying, I don't I don't care if
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I'm these fans on this. I stand for this. I'm
gonna from my with my team. I'm gonna uh stand
by alongside my black players. And the Drew Brees reversal
right in terms of him admitting, Okay, I'm sorry, it
wasn't about the flag and it and this is bad timing.
So I do sense that even with the national team,
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the soccer team, when Mega Rappino, you may recall Justin
knieled in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick. Back in two thousand seventeen,
she got a ton of criticism and even you know,
there's a photo that went around social media recently. You know,
some of her black teammates weren't kneeling alongside her. She
was the only one kneeling right, which at that time
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was like, WHOA what is she doing? And she was saying,
it's not about the flag, it's about police brutality, it's
about racial injustice. And now she's seen as with other
athletes like wow, she was way ahead of her time.
And so I sent that. There are more and more
who were saying, I'm not just gonna shut up and Drew,
I'm not going to stay in my lane. You're not
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staying in your lane. Why should I not have an
opinion about what's happening in this country, especially as it's
happening to teammates and black teammates next to me, even
as a white person, I'm going to stand up and
say something. And I think that is such a healthy change.
I've had more conversations about race as teammates, and I said,
I'm so embarrassed that has taken twenty years right to
have these conversations because that's I think the first step
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to breaking down a lot of those barriers. I hope sure, well,
you know, I'm hoping for more J. J. Wattson Megan's
and and those kind of people than I am. You know,
our president who saying he won't support or watch you know,
soccer or football if they if they kneel, I mean,
I think that that opinion is gonna lessen even in
his brain. But I'm I'm less optimistic than I want
to be. It's interesting though, the polling is showing, you
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know that the latest one agree with the protest as
as a country, right like they understand, you know, why
there's this anger. So um, I think I try and
keep that in mind that you know, there is a
large majority that understands this is uh a bigger, bigger issue.
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rest of my chat with Julie Foudy as a mother
and someone who co founded the Julie Foudy Sports Leadership
Academy that focuses on teaching leadership to teenage girls. What
do you what do you tell them about what they're seeing?
I tell them that we're living through history right now,
right and that this is a moment where we all
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have a part in how this progresses. And I think,
you know it's listening to nprs coad Switch the other
day and Jimale Smith, who is a black reporter with
Rolling Stone, said, you know, none, none of this changes
until the people not affected by it actually do something
about it, right, And so I talked about that this
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is a community in terms of our Leadership Academy and
as leaders were and we've talked about this forever at
our leadership Academy, but now we'll have obviously even more
of a focus is just the importance of diversity around
the table, the importance of different opinions at different people
and how you know, study after study, and businesses and
leading businesses around the world, and not just gender diversity,
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of course, but actually race diversity around the table and
the importance of that of just hearing different ideas and
being a thought leader. And so we will continue to
have we're actually working on right now building in into
all our curriculum just really look at which I think
is such an important thing to do in this time
with everything in my life. He's gone to the podcast
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is that how can't we better, We've gone to our
leadership academies. How can't we be better here to talk
about diversity inclusion right and to really discuss these things
because you know, even with my kids, you know, watching
and reading, and it's something that I've said that we're
going to spend the summer doing and watching. We watched Thirteens,
which is an amazing documentary. The other day we watched
just Mercy in the movie I'm reading Just Mercy. I
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love Brian Stevenson um talking to a lot of black
colleagues at ESPN. So it's definitely been a learning process
and we'll continue to pass that on. And I think
I hope with our leadership academies. Listen, you're you're around
teams a lot more than we are. My wife and
I are around forty and we one friend who's like
twenty I think she's twenty five or twenty six, and
we keep telling people her name is Kazi. We say everyone,
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Cassi and Down is going to be fine. I think they,
I mean, and you can tell me better than we
say it. But they already feel like diversity is ingrained
in their brain, like they don't even. I don't even
I'm not nervous about them. I feel, I don't know.
Do you feel similarly, Yeah, totally. Yeah. Every time I'm
around you, I'm like, Okay, thank you. I needed that.
I needed to be around more you. But hopeful when
you hear them talk, when you when you see them,
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I mean their activism, their advocacy, I'm like, okay, we're
gonna be okay, Cassy Down, Uh, you have an incredible
podcast with espnW called Laughter Permitted, with past guests Mia Hamm,
Katie Ladecki. Uh, you're in your third season now, what
excites you about sitting down with these women, these powerful women,
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in such a personal setting. Yeah, you know. I I
actually came to the podcast world with a little reluctance
because there's just so many out there. I had a
producer I did a lot of features with at ESPN.
He's sure you yours has said, and she's my co
host of the podcast. Now, little Zoe, um, you should
do podcasts. We should do a podcast because when you
stopped the cameras down and we're actually talking to these athletes,
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that's when all the good stuff comes out right, and
you guys are laughing about old stories and you know,
and there's this common bond already being that you played
and you're an athlete. So I was like, at there's
like a million out there. I don't want to do that.
And then she's like, come on, just give it a test.
So actually our first two tests were with me and
and Kerry Walsh Jennings, who are both friends and carry
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Walsh Jennings and volleyball players that beach volleyball player for
many Olympics, and they both live like two box from
each other and man Hattan Beach in l I. So
I said, hey, you guys, can you just do these
test pod and we'll run by ESPN and see if
they like it, because you know, this is the thing
with journalism. You just pitch stuff and tour stuff at
the wall and some of it sticks, as we know.
And so we sent them those two test pods and
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they were like, oh, we like this, let's go and
uh and Lynn was like, it is a form that
actually allows you to talk and to share, and it's
very different than lights and camera in the face and
you have to get a quick sound by and are
you doing a three and afthemte piece. So I've enjoyed
it because you you get it's like you're having a cut.
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We've always bring coffee and donuts and we're sitting around
you know, before quarantine, we would sit around a kitchen
table and we would just sit there and laugh and
chat and it was like, you know, we used to
do with my teammates all the time. And you get
all these amazing athletes from all these different fields and
sports and uh. And so it's been so fun, really fun,
and we flipped, which is most encouraging to me, which
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is why we wanted to focus on women of our
ESPN podcast listeners. As you can imagine, we're met right
our podcast is women, which is really cool and getting
great numbers, and so they're just um. ESPN is of
course through because that's the market we're always trying to
get to and uh, and we're showing that there is
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a market there for full minutes. Absolutely, So we like
to end this with a little bit of positivity and
then something dumb I want to do with you, But
but first, some very difficult times in American history right now?
What do you hope we take from it when we're
back out in the world, maybe with a vaccine, maybe
with knowledge about people that don't look exactly like us.
What do you want to keep from this time that
probably will always be seen as crazy and mostly negative,
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But what can we keep perspective? Right? Like, That's the
thing that I keep coming back to is the world
lives differently than I live, and people are going through
different things you can't see. And as much as you
think things are getting better, like just because for me
as a white person in my privilege is and that's
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not the case in all different areas. And to not
put my white lands on everything and to really everything
I'm doing, say how are we looking at this? And
are we looking at this? And um And that's been
this real awakening for me and I hope a lot
of other people in this country. And I think that's
that actually is such a positive in terms of I
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think it's gonna stir growth and and hopefully change. Finally. Yeah,
we have my wife and I have had some very
uncomfortable conversations with people in our family and things that
we think we need to have. And I agree with you.
It's a perspective thing more than anything on to something
stupider I've heard like me, you are a genuine donut
heead a true expert. I am a longtime frequenter of
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Blinky's Doughnuts here in Woodland Hills, just a one location spot.
Uh And I wanted to go over with you our
top five donuts. I wrote mine out. I can start,
I can start, so you have some time to think
about it. Okay, alright, great? My number five maple frosted,
Great donut frosted? Any any maple frosted are you saying
like maple bar. No, not maple bar. He's only a
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reverse order. Yep. Okay, five four is cinnamon, just cinnamon.
Don'ut three is sprinkles, and I'll allow either chocolate icing
or vanillizing just as long as they're sprinkles on top.
Alright too. And these these are my These are my
truly basic answers. I know that these show me to be.
You know, I'm the guy who walks into thirty one
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Flavors and says vanilla. I go to sugar donut one,
the classic, you know, the glazed crispy cream anywhere really
glazed is my one. Let's hear where we are with
Julie Foudy. Just a regular glaze is your number, one
hundred percent. I have no shame in it. I wrote
it down and thought to myself, I'm gonna I'm gonna
regret it. I don't think if I can't even mask
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my disappointment that that is my that is Liz, my
co host. She's like glazed all day. I'm like, oh
my god, come on, okay, five, five is all right?
My number five would be um, take your take your time.
Five would be just like a chocolate bar. I'm all
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for like anything larger than my head I love. Okay, alright,
so give me bigger, give me, give me more. Okay,
so yeah, like twists and stuff falls into that. Yeah, okay,
Okay for maple bar great, another good one, okay, three
old fashioned? All right, Okay, I've never been a big
old fashioned guy, but I know that I know that
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it fits. Go ahead to cinnamon maple twist. Oh, I
didn't even think of it. That is a good donut,
one without question, super gooey, super doughey, even better a
cinnamon rule. We have an ongoing debate on our podcast
whether cinnamon rule is a donut and because it is
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fried by definition of donut, is anything fried? So like
a cinnabon that's baked, not a donut, Cinnamon rolls at
a donut place that is my go to and larger,
like even two times the size of my head even better. Well,
I'm happy to open the national debate of whether or
not cinnamon rolls or donut. I will allow it to happen.
We need some levity here. Uh. Julie Voudy, you are
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you are a queen, a queen of interviewing. I appreciate
you you talking to me and please be safe and healthy.
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Welcome to The No Sports Report, a production of I
Heart Radio Entree Fork Media. My name is Jensen Carpet.
I'm a sports fan, which nowadays means I'm basically a
contract layer, because if you want to follow any news
story involving athletics, it's about players unions and profit sharing
and TV deals and never ending negotiations. Will NBA players
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wear rings that alert officials if they're running high temperature?
Will baseball players start extra innings with a runner on
second base? By the way, that's a real one. Will
tennis players have to wear birkenstocks while playing to lessen
the chance of spreading the virus at tournaments. I've made
that one up, but it wouldn't be far off. Sure,
we're weeks away from Major League starting back up, but
are we? I guess only time will tell, and I'll
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keep asking these athletes and sports industry professionals what they're
up to during this very weird time in American history.
All on the No Sports Report. With some sports now,
it would be difficult to find a global sporting event
that has had as much of an impact on our
country as the Women's World Cup. Maybe the Miracle on Ice,
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the Battle of the sexes at that time. Jose Can
Saco head butt at a ball over the fence, but
there's something about that group of women that captured an
entire nation's heart in Shane Soccer Forever in midfielder Julie
Foudy was an integral part of that unforgettable team and
an unniable positive energy for the sport in general. She's
a two time World Cup champion. She was also part
of the ninety one inaugural US team, a two time
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Olympic gold medalist, the first American and woman to receive
the FIFA fair Play Award for promoting the spirit of
fair play and compassion, and she's a National Soccer Hall
of Famer in the first all female inducting class. She's
fought for human and civil rights her entire career. She's
instrumental in the country's definition of Title nine. She hosts
soccer clinics around the world and even visited Pakistan to
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ensure rebox labor conditions were humane. She's the former president
of the Women's Sports Foundation, she co founded the Julie
Foudy Sports Leadership Academy, and she can now be seen
on ESPN as a soccer analyst and heard on her
own podcast, Laughter Permitted. She's a true legend in so
many ways, and today we talked about making the personal
decision to return to sports, who will play her in
an upcoming Netflix movie, and we deep dive into donuts.
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We had all the important stuff on this week's No
Sports Report with some sports Now how from Julia Julia
to accept press one as Hello, Julie hij Hi. I
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know things have been relaxing lately around the world, so
everyone is sort of moving out on their own pace.
But I want to know where you've been quarantined and
with who oh gosh. I have been quarantined in San Clementi,
Southern California, my home. It's a great place to be quarantined.
A lot of trails and hiking and a beach that's
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right around the corner. And uh so we've been spending
a lot of time outside, me and my family. And
you have two kids, correct, i'd you yeah, And I
have a husband who cook. Yeah. It's good living that
is truly. That's like a gold mining and finding a
huge gold piece in quarantine, I know, and he's always
been a really good chef. But like you, just with
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the chaos of life. You never have time to to
hunger in and cook like he has. And he is,
you know, checking out recipes, trying new things. I'm like,
I love this man in quarantine. Let's go. That is great.
I I was nervous because I did I do know
you're from Mission vie Ho. Mission Viejo is in Orange County.
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I am all I do all day is worry about
Orange County. Now they they've decided to not make masks mandatory. Oh,
I know, it's so stupid, right, it's terrifying. Where are
you from. I'm from I'm from Woodland Hills. I'm from
the valley. Okay, I know, well another topic for another day.
But sure that's what happens when your leader, when your
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leader doesn't promote it, right, I agree. I mean my
wife and I went out to for the first time.
We decided we would not sit inside of a restaurant.
We have a one year old, so we wanted to
get him out into the world, so he's a little
less of a bubble boy. And we sat outside of
a Baja Fresh. We ordered with our mask on, walked outside,
wait until the food came to take our mask off.
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I'm telling you, it's not even enjoyable. Yeah, it's a
weird feeling. I know, we haven't actually went out to eat,
and I don't know. I just I can't even imagine
having a young kid right now. Our kids are eleven
and thirteen. I say that all the time. I'm like,
oh my god, you're not having him in school or
just being young and so young that you know you
constantly have to be attentive. It's kind of nice to
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be able to say like, okay, you're good on school. Yeah, okay, good,
I'm gonna trust that right now. I have talked about
this numerous times on the podcast. I actually believe the
exact opposite, which is that with my one year old,
I could hand him wrapping paper and and he's busy
for two hours. You have kids who have full functioning brains.
You have to do home schooling. How have you been
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passing the time? Actually, they're they're like the perfect age
because they're very self sufficient and the only thing they
have yet to conquer is the five course meal that
they should be cooking for us, which I would have
then qualified this as a complete success. Um, but yeah,
they're actually and my my thirteen year old girls is
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amazing with that. Like she's always been a great self starter,
very on top of the school and homework and all
of that, so her making that transition was super easy.
The eleven year old boy, I said, look, I'm gonna
give you ownership, buddy. And the teacher is a friend,
so I would occasionally check in with her, like, hey,
is he turning stuff in? She like, could you let
me know if he's not. He's like, no, he's been great.
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You're all good. So yeah, they were. They were really good.
I mean, I they're super eager to get back into
school and see kids and friends and everything else. So
I'm hoping that happens, but I know we're still plays
away from that. Is there anything that you picked up,
new hobbies, stuff you've been binging? When you look back
on quarantine, what what? What? What sticks out them was
as far as what you've been able to do? Mm hmm.
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The chaos of just what I realized and I think
everyone has is it's just it was to find the
silver lining. It was a moment to actually take a
breass right and to just go, oh my gosh, we're
running from saying to think and sport to sport and
activity to activity, and to even be able to sit
around a dinner table and talk and eat and share
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a laugh and do all those things together as a
family was something that was a rarity. So that has
been a joy. Like I was saying, my husband has
been cooking a ton, and he's a great cook, and
so to be able to spend time around the dinner table,
and um, we do something at the dinner table that
we introduced on the podcast as well on my podcast,
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which is you know high low cheer, so they're high
of the day, they're low of the day, and someone
they cheer four or something they cheer four, and so, um,
we've been doing that during quarantine a ton. And then
just time to actually sit and watch things that you
didn't get a watch, like we we do movie night
practically every night, or game night or very competitive so
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we play a lot of ping pong and volleyball and
soccer and everything. Pickle ball is our new thing we've
taken up. So I've just and I'm on the road
all the time for work. So to have that continuity
and routine and time was it was actually I looked
back and I go, God, that was incredible, like really
blessed in that sense. Yeah, and you're you're actually not
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the first person to bring up pick a ball, so
that it seems like some people have been have gravitated
towards it. But we don't mess around with our pickaball either, Jensen,
I like taped out of cord on the front. We
had a net, I marked it, I taped it. I
got the really like industrial relitate stucco tape and it's
and we have the tournament. We don't mess around. Oh,
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I would not think the Foudy household is anything else.
But a lot of people have been binging television and
movies and all sorts of things. And right before Quarantine,
speaking of binging, Netflix announced it's working on a movie
about the historic World Cup team you were on. You
were such an integral part of As someone who has
not yet had a movie made about my life, how
do you hear about that? Like do they call you? Like,
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how does that? How does that come together? We? Well,
we have a movie. Um, you know, we were in
the tager part of the process with the eight there's
eight of us on on the team of the twenty
that they purchased the life rights too. Although the film
will be on, you know, the whole team of course.
So the eight of us had been very engaged for
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the last couple of years because this is something that's
been in the works for a while. And Netflix when
they heard about it, which was really neat, they jumped
right in and said let's go. So then that happened
really quickly, and the announcement of it and all of
those things. But yeah, we we knew this was coming,
and it was you know, how do you in the
middle of a quarantine kind of get the word out?
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So we came up to the idea. They came up
with the idea of that video. We're passing the ball
to each other. But yeah, it's gonna be really neat
because it's not a documentary, it's a it's a feature film,
it's a movie movie, and and so they'll have to
write it and cast it in all those things. It's
a ways away, but it's still pretty cool. Well, I
did find a website that had some casting suggestions for you,
do you have someone in mind, because here's here's what
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the website threw out. They threw out Anna Camp, who's
an incredible actress. Throughout Claire Foy, who I love as well,
and then I this was a dark horse for you,
but Cecily Strong from SNL, who I love very much.
But I don't know if I see it. But is
there someone that you know, without spoiling anyone who's talking
to anyone, was there someone when this idea first got
thrown out there that you went, you know it would
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be a good me? Okay, well that's different casting allow it.
I mean she's being brought up a lot as a
new statue. Everyone wants her, everyone wants her to take
over the Confederate spaces. Yeah, no, I of course, it's
a fun game to play, and we all we all
actually were like do we gonna say in this? And
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who do we want to be? And so we start
doing playing that game. And so I've seen a lot
of that on Twitter and social media, which is fun.
But I don't have any preferences. I know they'll do
a great job. I mean it's nice to hear too
that it's getting a ton of interest from really good
writers and and actors as well. So I do think
it's it could be a really cool, cool movie. More
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with Julie after this. Now let's get back to Julie.
We talked a little about the fact that a lot
of the country is reopening and there's been such a
large magnifying glass on sports, which some people saw coming.
I did not. Who will play, who won't play. As
we're doing this interview, I've heard Major League Baseball is
inching closer, even after hearing they weren't going to And
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we here on the show have reported on Major League
Soccers practices and what they're allowing. What have you heard
about what's going on with men's soccer and women's soccer
as far as getting back out there and creating something
it doesn't sound like a sci fi movie. Well, the
first to actually get out will be in USL, which
is the Women's Professional League. They're they're actually gonna take
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off on g seven and they're out of Utah where
they're going to have a thirty day They're going to
call it the Challenge Cup at the SOD Day tournament,
and they'll have group play and then eventually, you know,
knockout stages and then a winner at the end of it.
Um MLS, of course, is also getting back together, as
they announced recently in Orlando, and I think the reason
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NWUSL got out of the gate still fast as it's nineteens, right,
it's a smaller league. It's easier to try and put
all the protocols in place and the procedures in place,
and and really keep a bubble around that group. Whereas
when you're dealing with MLS and twenty six teams and
having all of them there and NBA's there as well.
I mean, it's a much larger venture I think what
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NWSL was doing. So yeah, so NWSL is gonna be
the first out of the gates, which is great. Not
all national team players, I think are going to play,
like Megan Rapino recently. Yeah she's dropping out, right, Yeah
she's not playing. And I think you'll find a couple
more national teamers won't play. But it looks like because
there were quite a few on the sets earlier and
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they still could a day before this even starts saying
I'm not comfortable based on what they see in Utah,
and there's you know, of course it's going to be
no repercussions, they say, US Soccer and the national team
care if they want to drop out. But I think
you will see most to the national team play. I
mean I've been I've not hit in my feelings about
this on the podcast. I am very concerned about the
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health of athletes. I know, uh, there's been some issues
recently with the Dallas Cowboys, the w w E has
been having outbreaks, Auburn, Mississippi State, Alabama. I feel uncomfortable
with players signing these waivers that we're hearing about in
their contracts about if they get sick. And I look
to someone like you, someone who's done so much work
for human rights and and and you know the correct
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thing to do. What what is your feeling on on
getting back to sports. Yeah, I mean it's a hard one.
I I I get we want to see people playing
and we want them back out there, and we have
to return somesence of normalcy. But you also look at
you know, a month ago, we thought that you got
to July and we would be seeing obviously the curve
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not just flattened, but go down. And what are we
seeing in this country right is that you have a
lot of states right now when we're starting to open
things up, and especially with a variance of standards and
regulations and rules and how people are dealing with it,
that you know, you're starting to see the numbers rising,
which um concerns me, honestly, and I think that's where
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you know you talked to NWSL. They say, Look, we
talked to fifteen doctors, We've had all of these consultants,
we have all of these procedures, were doing all of
these precautions to make sure that we're staying in one place.
They're calling it their village, and there is really a
bubble around them, and they have procedures where people test
positive and all these things. But at the same time,
everyone's different than how they approached that, right, Like, my
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comfort level may be very different than another person. And
so I think the most important thing that the players
secured was the right to say at any time, I'm
not comfortable, and if I'm not comfortable, I'm not going
to get my salary, doc, I'm not going to get cut,
I'm not going to have these repercussions. And I think
that's an important piece of it, obviously, because of the
variance of comfort levels. For that so, I think about
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if I was in that moment, and when people say, well,
why isn't Megan Rapino playing, I say, why are we
judging that? That's her decision to make right and who
knows what's happening outside of our lives with other people, right,
So I'm never going to judge that at this time. Um,
I really think it's a personal thing. I don't know
honestly what I would have done. I would have need
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to seen all the procedures and protopils and all of
those things to have some level of comfort, I think,
And I guess my thing is and I keep going
back to it, even in my own normal life, you know,
trying to go you hear movie theaters. I'm a big
movie watcher. I love That's how I get away and
kind of decompressed sometimes. And I'm not willing to be
on the guinea pig, you know line I I will
let others go first. And in sports, it feels like
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I genuinely feel since day one, since those NBA postponements,
I feel like we've been looking to athletes to tell
us what's right or wrong, and that that feels real bad. Yeah,
I feel like we've been looking to the NBA, right, Um,
I think you have a commissioner that in Adam Silver,
that people trust and like and um, and so as
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they go, you do feel other leagues and entities kind
of going, oh okay, they're comfortable with it. We're comfortable, Okay,
they're not comingtable with it, wrestle with it. Which is
really interesting in terms of just a leadership right which
I think is missing right now in this and and
and that we're not even talking about it. Really is
a country which is crazy to me. I mean, I'm
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in Orange County and so we've got a lot of
parents who are very eager to get back out and
playing and going, and I get it, but it's also
like the wait, let's also take a moment and breathe first,
I can say what what's going on here? I mean
we as a nation. I guess our our president or
I'd listen. I'd rather call out him silver our president.
But but uh, someone who hasn't talked to you know,
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our COVID team in two weeks. You know, all these
guys are racing to start a season that will always
have an asterisk next to it. I mean, it's to me,
and you've said you feel like you go back and
forth and it's individual. But it's like, at the end
of the day, when we look back on highly doubt
we're going to be talking about those twenty two games
of NBA. We got to watch it feels strange. Yeah,
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And I think it also feels strange just with all
that's happening with George Floyd, and I mean sports feels
weird to make like even with and I know, Gentsen,
you guys are are having these conversations on your podcast,
but you know, we've had to totally look at, Okay,
what are our conversations we've had with black athletes and
are we talking about this enough? And then we realized, like,
you know, we were having these conversations about and we
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interview all female athletes and not just the athletes who've
had Robin robertson and you know, I talked to Robin
Roberts about the struggles of being a woman in our industry,
but never a black women in our industry. So we're
not telling the full story right, as unintentional as it is.
So we've gone back and said, hey, can we can
we get this right? And so to me, even discussion
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sports sometimes right now, with all of this going on
and the craziness, it's like I have a hard time
turning my attention to it. It's a weird up and
down for me as well, because that's how I feel initially,
and then sometimes you hear what Lebron is saying. You
hear some of the players who I look up to
in that way, and and you hear them say, this
is this is an avenue where we could be able
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to show that kind of protests. And I know you
you've been dealing with these barriers put up by men
in power, Like you said, kind of a different angle.
But these last few weeks with with a totally different
minority group looking for what they deserve. I mean, it
feels like such a no brainer to people like you
and me. But do you think that the fan, the
average sports fan will be able to see those forms
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of protests the same way you and I would like
or is it just still just sports? Um, give me,
give me more context the protests at events like athletes protesting?
Are you talking like general protests? I'm talking about athlete
protests because here's my thing, right, So, Lebron James has
been told to shut up and dribble too many times
in my opinion to think that the whole world is
going to change and give him the correct kind of
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credit that he deserves when he gets back out there.
And I understand that their ideas are going to be awesome.
I'm going to be applauding him, You're going to be
applauding them. But at the same time, the sports community
to me, and I guess I could be proven wrong,
but you know, based on the NFL over the past,
I don't know ten to fifteen years, I don't trust
those those protests in the wrong hands, and I guess
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that concerns me. Yeah, I do sense that we're chipping
away at that feeling and I and I and it
may just be allowed minority right um of the shut
up and dribbles, because you see it now in the
Cleveland Brown quarterback Baker maybe right when he came out
the other day saying, I don't I don't care if
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I'm these fans on this. I stand for this. I'm
gonna from my with my team. I'm gonna uh stand
by alongside my black players. And the Drew Brees reversal
right in terms of him admitting, Okay, I'm sorry, it
wasn't about the flag and it and this is bad timing.
So I do sense that even with the national team,
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the soccer team, when Mega Rappino, you may recall Justin
knieled in solidarity with Colin Kaepernick. Back in two thousand seventeen,
she got a ton of criticism and even you know,
there's a photo that went around social media recently. You know,
some of her black teammates weren't kneeling alongside her. She
was the only one kneeling right, which at that time
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was like, WHOA what is she doing? And she was saying,
it's not about the flag, it's about police brutality, it's
about racial injustice. And now she's seen as with other
athletes like wow, she was way ahead of her time.
And so I sent that. There are more and more
who were saying, I'm not just gonna shut up and Drew,
I'm not going to stay in my lane. You're not
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staying in your lane. Why should I not have an
opinion about what's happening in this country, especially as it's
happening to teammates and black teammates next to me, even
as a white person, I'm going to stand up and
say something. And I think that is such a healthy change.
I've had more conversations about race as teammates, and I said,
I'm so embarrassed that has taken twenty years right to
have these conversations because that's I think the first step
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to breaking down a lot of those barriers. I hope sure, well,
you know, I'm hoping for more J. J. Wattson Megan's
and and those kind of people than I am. You know,
our president who saying he won't support or watch you know,
soccer or football if they if they kneel, I mean,
I think that that opinion is gonna lessen even in
his brain. But I'm I'm less optimistic than I want
to be. It's interesting though, the polling is showing, you
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know that the latest one agree with the protest as
as a country, right like they understand, you know, why
there's this anger. So um, I think I try and
keep that in mind that you know, there is a
large majority that understands this is uh a bigger, bigger issue.
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rest of my chat with Julie Foudy as a mother
and someone who co founded the Julie Foudy Sports Leadership
Academy that focuses on teaching leadership to teenage girls. What
do you what do you tell them about what they're seeing?
I tell them that we're living through history right now,
right and that this is a moment where we all
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have a part in how this progresses. And I think,
you know it's listening to nprs coad Switch the other
day and Jimale Smith, who is a black reporter with
Rolling Stone, said, you know, none, none of this changes
until the people not affected by it actually do something
about it, right, And so I talked about that this
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is a community in terms of our Leadership Academy and
as leaders were and we've talked about this forever at
our leadership Academy, but now we'll have obviously even more
of a focus is just the importance of diversity around
the table, the importance of different opinions at different people
and how you know, study after study, and businesses and
leading businesses around the world, and not just gender diversity,
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of course, but actually race diversity around the table and
the importance of that of just hearing different ideas and
being a thought leader. And so we will continue to
have we're actually working on right now building in into
all our curriculum just really look at which I think
is such an important thing to do in this time
with everything in my life. He's gone to the podcast
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is that how can't we better, We've gone to our
leadership academies. How can't we be better here to talk
about diversity inclusion right and to really discuss these things
because you know, even with my kids, you know, watching
and reading, and it's something that I've said that we're
going to spend the summer doing and watching. We watched Thirteens,
which is an amazing documentary. The other day we watched
just Mercy in the movie I'm reading Just Mercy. I
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love Brian Stevenson um talking to a lot of black
colleagues at ESPN. So it's definitely been a learning process
and we'll continue to pass that on. And I think
I hope with our leadership academies. Listen, you're you're around
teams a lot more than we are. My wife and
I are around forty and we one friend who's like
twenty I think she's twenty five or twenty six, and
we keep telling people her name is Kazi. We say everyone,
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Cassi and Down is going to be fine. I think they,
I mean, and you can tell me better than we
say it. But they already feel like diversity is ingrained
in their brain, like they don't even. I don't even
I'm not nervous about them. I feel, I don't know.
Do you feel similarly, Yeah, totally. Yeah. Every time I'm
around you, I'm like, Okay, thank you. I needed that.
I needed to be around more you. But hopeful when
you hear them talk, when you when you see them,
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I mean their activism, their advocacy, I'm like, okay, we're
gonna be okay, Cassy Down, Uh, you have an incredible
podcast with espnW called Laughter Permitted, with past guests Mia Hamm,
Katie Ladecki. Uh, you're in your third season now, what
excites you about sitting down with these women, these powerful women,
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in such a personal setting. Yeah, you know. I I
actually came to the podcast world with a little reluctance
because there's just so many out there. I had a
producer I did a lot of features with at ESPN.
He's sure you yours has said, and she's my co
host of the podcast. Now, little Zoe, um, you should
do podcasts. We should do a podcast because when you
stopped the cameras down and we're actually talking to these athletes,
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that's when all the good stuff comes out right, and
you guys are laughing about old stories and you know,
and there's this common bond already being that you played
and you're an athlete. So I was like, at there's
like a million out there. I don't want to do that.
And then she's like, come on, just give it a test.
So actually our first two tests were with me and
and Kerry Walsh Jennings, who are both friends and carry
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Walsh Jennings and volleyball players that beach volleyball player for
many Olympics, and they both live like two box from
each other and man Hattan Beach in l I. So
I said, hey, you guys, can you just do these
test pod and we'll run by ESPN and see if
they like it, because you know, this is the thing
with journalism. You just pitch stuff and tour stuff at
the wall and some of it sticks, as we know.
And so we sent them those two test pods and
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they were like, oh, we like this, let's go and
uh and Lynn was like, it is a form that
actually allows you to talk and to share, and it's
very different than lights and camera in the face and
you have to get a quick sound by and are
you doing a three and afthemte piece. So I've enjoyed
it because you you get it's like you're having a cut.
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We've always bring coffee and donuts and we're sitting around
you know, before quarantine, we would sit around a kitchen
table and we would just sit there and laugh and
chat and it was like, you know, we used to
do with my teammates all the time. And you get
all these amazing athletes from all these different fields and
sports and uh. And so it's been so fun, really fun,
and we flipped, which is most encouraging to me, which
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is why we wanted to focus on women of our
ESPN podcast listeners. As you can imagine, we're met right
our podcast is women, which is really cool and getting
great numbers, and so they're just um. ESPN is of
course through because that's the market we're always trying to
get to and uh, and we're showing that there is
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a market there for full minutes. Absolutely, So we like
to end this with a little bit of positivity and
then something dumb I want to do with you, But
but first, some very difficult times in American history right now?
What do you hope we take from it when we're
back out in the world, maybe with a vaccine, maybe
with knowledge about people that don't look exactly like us.
What do you want to keep from this time that
probably will always be seen as crazy and mostly negative,
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But what can we keep perspective? Right? Like, That's the
thing that I keep coming back to is the world
lives differently than I live, and people are going through
different things you can't see. And as much as you
think things are getting better, like just because for me
as a white person in my privilege is and that's
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not the case in all different areas. And to not
put my white lands on everything and to really everything
I'm doing, say how are we looking at this? And
are we looking at this? And um And that's been
this real awakening for me and I hope a lot
of other people in this country. And I think that's
that actually is such a positive in terms of I
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think it's gonna stir growth and and hopefully change. Finally. Yeah,
we have my wife and I have had some very
uncomfortable conversations with people in our family and things that
we think we need to have. And I agree with you.
It's a perspective thing more than anything on to something
stupider I've heard like me, you are a genuine donut
heead a true expert. I am a longtime frequenter of
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Blinky's Doughnuts here in Woodland Hills, just a one location spot.
Uh And I wanted to go over with you our
top five donuts. I wrote mine out. I can start,
I can start, so you have some time to think
about it. Okay, alright, great? My number five maple frosted,
Great donut frosted? Any any maple frosted are you saying
like maple bar. No, not maple bar. He's only a
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reverse order. Yep. Okay, five four is cinnamon, just cinnamon.
Don'ut three is sprinkles, and I'll allow either chocolate icing
or vanillizing just as long as they're sprinkles on top.
Alright too. And these these are my These are my
truly basic answers. I know that these show me to be.
You know, I'm the guy who walks into thirty one
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Flavors and says vanilla. I go to sugar donut one,
the classic, you know, the glazed crispy cream anywhere really
glazed is my one. Let's hear where we are with
Julie Foudy. Just a regular glaze is your number, one
hundred percent. I have no shame in it. I wrote
it down and thought to myself, I'm gonna I'm gonna
regret it. I don't think if I can't even mask
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my disappointment that that is my that is Liz, my
co host. She's like glazed all day. I'm like, oh
my god, come on, okay, five, five is all right?
My number five would be um, take your take your time.
Five would be just like a chocolate bar. I'm all
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for like anything larger than my head I love. Okay, alright,
so give me bigger, give me, give me more. Okay,
so yeah, like twists and stuff falls into that. Yeah, okay,
Okay for maple bar great, another good one, okay, three
old fashioned? All right, Okay, I've never been a big
old fashioned guy, but I know that I know that
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it fits. Go ahead to cinnamon maple twist. Oh, I
didn't even think of it. That is a good donut,
one without question, super gooey, super doughey, even better a
cinnamon rule. We have an ongoing debate on our podcast
whether cinnamon rule is a donut and because it is
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fried by definition of donut, is anything fried? So like
a cinnabon that's baked, not a donut, Cinnamon rolls at
a donut place that is my go to and larger,
like even two times the size of my head even better. Well,
I'm happy to open the national debate of whether or
not cinnamon rolls or donut. I will allow it to happen.
We need some levity here. Uh. Julie Voudy, you are
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you are a queen, a queen of interviewing. I appreciate
you you talking to me and please be safe and healthy.
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