August 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Tim and Jake discuss the ongoing struggles of Minnesota sports teams, particularly focusing on the Vikings and Twins. They explore the concept of a championship curse that has plagued Minnesota since 1991, the frustrations surrounding Twins ownership, and the expectations for Vikings quarterback JJ McCarthy as he navigates his first NFL season. The conversation also touches on key players to watch in the preseason, the dynamics of the running back and wide receiver positions, and the impact of the Vikings' defense on McCarthy's development. The episode concludes with thoughts on media perceptions and predictions for the upcoming season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Grind, a Minnesota sports podcast. Welcome into The Grind,
a Minnesota sports podcast. Jake, you gotta say it like that.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I haven't been on here since it's been the Grind.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, but if you want to be a guest on
the show, you gotta say.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Grind, the Grind.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, come on, that's pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Anyway, loss to discuss the Minnesota sports major teams. The
four major teams haven't won a championship since nineteen ninety one.
That's why it's being called The Grind the Minnesota Sports podcast.
Lots to discuss, Jake's on the show, jaj McCarthy, preseason discussions,
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Viking season is ready to kick off, this is when
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we kick into high gear and pump out podcasts all
the time. But you got Litchfield football, you got volleyball,
we got McCarthy, we got preseason takeaways, or do you
want to start that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I just't met well. I thought, when you're talking about
the grind and team's not winning a title, I are
you dismissing the twins you know journey this year? I
are you counting them out of a championship this well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Not counting them out. And recently I disclosed a formula
that could potentially break this curse that is been laying
over the state of Minnesota for twenty five years, Well
(02:41):
not twenty five years. Thirty three years, and I don't know.
I said twenty five years. I'm thirty three years old.
I was born in nineteen ninety one. Should be pretty
easy math to do, but it wasn't. But here's here's
here's the formula for the curse to be broken. I
thought formula number one was Okay, when I have offspring,
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the curse will be broken. Our daughter's born, curse isn't broken.
I thought when I had a son, the curse would
be broken. We have a son, the curse isn't broken.
But here's where I find the formula. I was the
third child. I was the third child in our family,
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the last to be born, and that's when the curse started.
Although the Twins won the World Series a month later,
they haven't won a championship since nineteen ninety one. Now
I am having our third child, which I think because
I was the third child, I'm having the third child,
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it seems to line up appropriately. So I think the
formula might be broken.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think so. I think that's a good That sound logic, right,
that's very sound logic.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, that's what I'm going with it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, how many do you have? Aggressive twins? Are you
as angry as all these other Twins fans are about
the pole ad situation.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Man. I disclosed that take earlier this week. I shared,
when you're a billionaire, you can do whatever the heck
you want, and when you're an owner, you can own
the team however you want. And they have made it
clear that they are going to own the team however
they want to put the team for sale. For the
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commissioner to say a sale will be coming down soon
or as likely to happen and then for them to
change their minds is the most pole ad thing ever.
But they're the owners. They can do whatever the heck
they want because they have few money.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And you know what I thought of, Yeah, Glenn Taylor
probably wishes he did with the seriously, just sell for
like four billion.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or something like. Yeah, and he just sold to Alex
Rodriguez and Mark Glorie for like one point five billion.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, and he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's Oh, I'm not going to live
out the final five to ten years of my life
because I lost two and a half billion dollars on
this deal.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, and I his kids and his grandkids will be
just fine too.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's just obviously disappoint Now. It's it is funny because
I just don't care, Like I have not watched a
second of Twins baseball. I go maybe to one game
a year, not something I care about.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
He didn't subscribe to Twins TV.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Nopp, I don't. Yeah, I watched zero Twins on the
air too, But it is just disappoint You want other
people who care to have what they want to have,
you know, and have a team and owners that care
about the product, right trying to sneak four hundred and
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fifty million dollars of debt into a sale and just
like the shadiness and the lack of you know, fiscal
responsibility that they seem to have. Yeah, just embarrassing more
than anything. To watch trades is just kind of like,
I don't know, but's.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Just interesting because after they traded Carlos Korea, everyone was frustrated.
But it's not like Carlos Korea was producing anything on
the field this season.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
No. That's my hot take is that most of the
trades they did were not like who cares like it?
They weren't like people are they with ten eleven people?
I mean most of them were kind of not either
not performing well or only had a year left stuff
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like that. The only two I think Duran and uh Barland.
I think those two sucked trading those two sucked. Like
Barlin was under contract for five more years. Duran's clearly
like if we're good next year, Duran would help us
be good next year, right, you know, but people were
mad about Griffin Jackson. Well, they didn't want to trade
Griffin Jacks. Griffin Jacks requested a trade after everyone else
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was getting traded. He knew what was happening, and they
honored his requests, which, you know, whatever. Good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's not like Griffin Jackson is going to be the
difference between the Twins being a playoff team or not.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, and I remember who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
They've been more entertaining since the trades. It's been more yea,
and not that I've watched the game, but to follow
them via social media.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Old story and yeah, give another guy's opportunities. Yeah, I
was listening to Oh, I think it's bonus, just saying
like relievers are the easiest things to develop, Like you know,
they're usually starting pitchers who don't quite work out, and
then you get them to specialize in a relief role
and that's what. All the guys that we had in
those relief positions were all former starters that you just
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kind of developed.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's fair. Right. Again, your point of being, are they
a ninety five win team next year if they have
kept Duran and Jacks and Barland? I mean no, probably not.
It's probably not the difference. So it's not the end
of the world. But it is, especially Varland where it's
like Minnesota guy went to Minnesota collegees or I forget
what twenty went two, but he went to somewhere Minnesota.
You know, his wife like attends every game, like they
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were like Minnesota people, and it just felt unnecessity, like
what are you doing by again, we have Barlind until
twenty thirty, Like what what's the purpose of trading him?
You know. But yeah, so that's kind of my hot
take is that the ten people they traded out for
the most part wasn't actually that controversial. Obviously. It's more
just like what it represents that is the problem, you know,
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the financial peace and how they're cutting payroll Na Da
Da da La.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Louis. Varland attended North High Senior School in Saint Paul, Yeah,
and played college baseball at the Concordia University Saint Paul See.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I knew he was that. I could remember which college
you went to, but I knew he was a local boy.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And again that's just more like it's the I don't know,
it's a it's the pr of it, right, Like you're
trading a guy who loves me is what it wants
to be here, his family wants to be here, blah
blah blah blah blah. There's not really a financial reason
to trade him because it's a super cheap contract and
they just do it anyway, you know. So it just
makes you go from like I don't really like those
people to like, oh they're doing that, I really don't
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like those people being in terms of.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trade a local boy. It changes things, gets it takes
a It takes a more emotional toll on your body
and mind. Yeah, and creates more bitterness and frustration towards
the ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, just another thing.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
What are they doing? Well, let's talk about the a topic.
Announce the Minnesota Vikings. They have a preseason game today,
Go Max Brosmer. But really the biggest conversation has revolved
around Jajon McCarthy and his inconsistencies in practice, his inconsistencies
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in the first preseason game, and then in joint practices
versus the Patriots two days ago, he was lights out,
performed his best practice he's ever had, accurate, showed his
big arm, dominated touchdowns here, touchdowns there, and all the
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reporters that were at the game at practice said the
same thing. He looks phenomenal, he looks great. And what
I want to see is that he puts more than
one good practice together, because the day before everyone was
reporting that it was a pretty poor practice, and then
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the very next day he's great. He's lights out, he's dynamite,
he's dominating. It's sensational. And here's where I struggle with
this with with McCarthy. If you're performing poorly in practice
and then you perform great in practice, that's good. We'd
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love to see great practices. But now I want to
ask him to put together more than one good practice
in a row, show some consistency. Sure, it's been a
year since he's played competitive football practices and all those things,
so it's going to take time for him to kind
of get up to speed and get familiar and get
comfortable and get the arm where he needs it to be.
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But if you're performing poorly in practice, I compare it
to Okay, if you're performing bad on the driving range,
you don't take a par driving range performance and take
it out of the golf course and then shoot your
best score. Larry Bird would make three hundred straight free
throws in practice. He was a career eighty eight percent
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free throw percentage shooter from the free throw line. So like,
that's that's that's kind of where I'm at with that.
Where what do you say?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah? I mean, so as always, right, the answer lies
somewhere in the middle. Usually there's a people extreme on
one side, extreme on the other, and usually the truth
is somewhere kind of the middle. Some people have expectations
way too high, right, I mean, to expect a what's
a twenty two year old, you're right, coming off of
a whole miss rookie season. You know he got mental
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reps blah blah blah, but he hasn't played NFL football yet.
He's effectively a rookie, right yep. And expecting him to
just come out and be even what Sam Donald was
last year is probably asking a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, I don't think he can perform Donald's numbers thirty
five touchdowns, twelve picks. I don't think the Vikings coordinators
will allow that. I don't even think they would allow
him to be Sam Donald last year.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, yep. So you have that where some people expect
him to be in that tier, and again, odds are
he's probably not ready for that tier, right, And then
you have other people that are saying, you know, looking
at these practices, going he's never going to figure it out,
He's never going to blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And again, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. He's
a twenty two year old effective rookie right where he's learning,
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he's I mean, he comes from a Michigan system where
obviously he's slung the ball around a little bit, but
there was a run first team that he was a
compliment to the run game. Hopefully that I mean, that's
kind of a little bit what the Vikings can do
with their team, right Jones and Jordan Mason. So just again,
the truth is somewhere right there in the middle. He's
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going to have plenty of games where he looks like
the chosen one and you know, I can guarantee he's
going to lose this a few games where he just
looks like a rookie just with his head underwater, throwing
bad throats, trying to figure it out, you know, all
that sort of stuff. I mean, so right, just nowadays,
it's all sensationalism, right, he's the best ever, he's the
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worst ever. I mean again, the truth is probably likely
gonna lie somewhere in the middle, which is on the
boring side. But that's just the way that I see it.
You know, is he going to be effective? Yes? Is
he gonna have a few games where he absolutely, probably
you know, cuts down our chances of winning because he
has mistakes. Absolutely, it's gonna happen. The other thing I
always wonder too, or not always, but since this camp
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has been going on, I've always wondered this since camp started,
and you see all the reporting, you know, you look
at anybody's rankings of defenses and the Vikings. Some people
have them number one, most people have them top five
and a minimum top ten defensive unit. I do wonder
because everyone, you know, the Vikings defense is so good.
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They do so many different funky things, and the way
they bring pressure and blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
Brian Flores is a genius. I do wonder how much
that matters in terms of McCarthy's like development too, Like
if they're some truth to it, because my first reaction
was like, no way, there's no way that you know,
he's gonna look bad against the Vikings defense and then
all of a sudden just be able to turn it
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on against the Bears Monday night.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The Bears have a good defense too.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We can't discount the Bears defense. They were all legit
last year.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right, that's fair. I just mean, you know, just in general,
once he goes against other teams, gonna be able to
just turn it on totally. And it's like at first
it was like aeah, that seems dumb. Like they're all
NFL defenses, they're all complex, they're all doing all there.
You know, you have thirty two in theory of the
best defensive minds in the world, right, decordinators that are
figuring all this out. So but to some extent, I
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think it might be kind of true that some you know,
the Vikings are challenging him more probably than the average
you know, defense does during camp, you know, probably good
for his long term development, probably bad for his day
to day How does he look what throws did he hit? Development?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I love you make some good points in your
touch on the exact topic within the topic that I
was going to dive into next and I was gonna
bring up. I look at it a few different ways.
I look at it this way. It's like he's getting
better in practice and he's facing these challenges and adversity
in practice, and then he can bring that into the games.
And this pressure that he has to face is not
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going to be a surprise when he gets to Week
one versus the Chicago Bears and he sees a blitz
coming because he's faced it every day in practice, So
there should be some level of improvement. However, when you
look for the middle, I also find the middle in
this right here. You also have to be careful with
this because we saw this in the first preseason game
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when McCarthy does have a clean pocket when it comes
to the regular season, I think we have to be
careful that he isn't seeing things that aren't there because
of what he got so accustomed to in practice. Meaning
in twenty nineteen, Dollars had the legendary quote when he's
with the Jets that he was seeing ghosts on the
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field because of the amount of pressure that he was
facing it throughout every single week. So that and then
he got to a point where he saw things that
weren't even there. Made Yes, we saw this in the
first preseason game where McCarthy he threw the ball high
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to Lucky Jackson and he was wide open down the
middle of the field. That went over his head and
there was someone I think it might have been McCarthy
or Kevin o'ca is, someone within the Vikings organization said
after the game that typically in practice what he had
to do he is he didn't have time to make
a second hitch and he just had to throw the ball.
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So we've seen some part of Okay. We love that
he's facing this pressure in practice so that he can
get acclimated and it's not a big surprise when it
comes to week one, But we also have to be
careful not to go too far down that road because
if we do, then he might start to see things
in a clean pocket. You might start to expect a
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rush that isn't actually there. Because that's all he's seen.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Again, you're threading the middle line
perfectly there. Yeah, I would err. I mean the odds
that he gets to the point where he's seeing ghosts,
so to speak. You know, I hope we don't get
to that point. Yeah, but I get to what you're saying, absolutely, yeah,
where it's like, yeah, things now I would say be easier,
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right because it's different, but just yeah, the pocket might
be a little cleaner, and it seems like we're gonna
have a great old line too, So you hope that
they're going to hold up and no injuries and all
that sort of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So right, we're going back a week now. But I
was very vocal, and tell me I'm wrong, tell me
I'm wrong. I've been very vocal. I've been very vocal,
and we're gonna get to Jacob's preseason five things to
look for in a second. I've been very vocal that
one series in the preseason he threw the ball seven times.
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Had one series against the Houston Texans against their backups,
wouldn't change the trajectory good or bad for McCarthy in
Week one versus the Chicago Bears. When the game's matter.
I was vocal that the risk of playing McCarthy in
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a preseason game was not worth the reward of him
getting one series against the backups, of him getting hurt
missing the entire season. What do you do at the quarterback? Now?
Maybe you trade for Kirk Cousins and we're grateful that
he didn't get hurt. We don't even need to consider
it anymore. But the reason why I bring this up
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is because I've gotten completely run over by the Vikings
fan base that thinks that he needs reps, reps, reps, reps, rep,
he needs the in game experience. Does seven passes one month,
one month before Week one of the regular season going
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to make the difference between McCarthy being successful in Week
one or not.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I would say not even a little bit. The only
thing I will say that it's good for I think
it's more about the routine. It's more about getting the
kind of the jitters out, you know, that kind of thing,
like going through the experience, going through Hey, I'm starting
going through Hey, I'm listening that. How does kaos relay
the plays in? And do you know, just like getting
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reps doing that, I try.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
To get more months than anything.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think all of that part of it I don't like,
is more important than if he came out and lit
it up. Because again, Texans preseason defenses, they're running bland coverage.
It's again like you said, it's all the backups for
the most part for the Texans. You know, they didn't
have Will Anderson going, I don't remember, don't. They didn't
have to ter going nobody, basically like no, right, So
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it's like what he performed wise, obviously, yes, you'd rather
have him hit throws and whatever, but it's not like
you would be a concern if he didn't, Like I said,
I mean again, I'm not in the quarterback room with
the Vikings, but my guess would be that it's much
more about going through the routine, doing the warm up,
doing the preparation as a starting quarterback, right, going through
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the motions, listening to koc in the headset and how
he relays plays. Obviously they did them practice too, but
just like the game is different, right, I think it's
just to curb it just a little bit. So when
you walk out to Soldier Field, you know, again he's
been in big moments, he's been in the national so
maybe even that part's over blown too. It's not like
he hasn't had big moments. I mean, he's a Michigan
national title I mean, so it's like even that aspect
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probably isn't that big of a deal to go through
those motions. But at the end of the day, he's
still a twenty two year old who's going to be
starting in the NFL first first time. You can't tell
me he's not going to be nervous and all that
sort of stuff. That's my my kind of take is
more that it's about going through those reps again, what
happened on the field. There's no chance that Kayosi's worried about, Hey,
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the difference of this this ten plays that he had
against Houston. Now he's ready and he wouldn't have been before.
I don't I don't think that's that big of a
factor for them because obviously, again the joint practices is
where they really get all the reps, those game like
reps under a controlled environment. So yeah, I mean, it's
the old way of thinking. I think more so is
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that hey, they need to play preseason games to get
the reps and get ready and blah blah blah. No,
they structure practice now that that's where they're getting all
their like game like reps you know, long term, you know,
but I don't know how long here we're looking, But
it will not be surprising if all the preseason games
go away and that's not a thing anymore because they
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just don't, you know, they just turn them into regular
season games or whatever. So I mean, I don't think
anybody really there's certain eyes where Yeah, and especially obviously
preseason is more about your your twos, your threes and
your fours. Bat's gonna make the roster? Yeah, you know
that's important because those are guys who have never been
in those situations before or have and or you know,
on the fence or whatever. But yeah, no McCarthy getting
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you know again, do you want to see him performing? Well, yeah, duh.
But like, I don't think that's like some sort of
indication to perform how it'll go or like and again
to your point, there's certainly a chance, you know, the
injury risk of it. Yeah, there's plenty of coaches who
don't take that risk anymore with anybody. Even if they
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do need game reps. Again, they do those game reps
in a controlled environment in practice. Now they don't even
worry about the preseason so right, and the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
One that I was making is like, okay, one series
against Houston, he could make that up in the first
quarter against Chicago. And some people responded, and not that
they get offended by it, but it's like they didn't
understand the reasoning for my opinion. It's like they're like, oh,
you could get hurt anywhere. Well, I'd rather get him
get hurt in the game that matters, versus the Chicago Bears.
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That versus missed the entire season in a meaningless preseason
game because the Houston Texas we just saw this last year.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But anyways, all right, might even like again with the Patriots,
it's a controlled environment. They're not touching with Carthy.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Right, you know, right, but he's still getting the reps.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And he's still getting the reps. So yeah, it's just again,
could they have made it without him playing a game? No,
I would guess that McCarthy wanted to. I would guess
obviously KOs wanted him to. Like I said, I bet
it's more about the routine running out there for the
first time, listen to the crowd, get in the headset
in there, and listening to the plays and relaying and
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just that confidence build more than anything than it is
about like the physical. Hey, I threw it a twenty
two yarder to Addison on that whatever, you know, it's
it's a good point that hundreds of times in practice
already that that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Let's dive into Jacob's five things to look for in
the preseason. But first I need to tell you about
a Hopeland Farms beef because they have the best one
one hundred percent rotationally grazed grass fed beef. You go
to the store, you look for a steak or a
chuck roast, and you check the price on that, it's
like nine to ten dollars a pound. Hopeland Farm Beef
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tell Jared Tim sent you, and you get a little
discount on your first order.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
All right, Jacob, I'm not joking. I need to do
that because I always go to Walmart and look AT's
like five dollars and seventy cents for like a pound
of hammer, a.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Pound of hammer. But you look at the steaks and
truck rows, it's like that's nine. It's just like skyrockets,
you know, it's nine dollars a pound. Yeah, yeah, no fun,
contact Jared.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Five things to watch today?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
All right, five things here we go. Let me, let
me put a little music so I can, you know,
have a little have a little fun with it. Oh,
the wrong one? Maybe this one?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You want me to give you all five and then
you can kind of circle back to which ones you
want to talk about, or you want to go one
by one and just quick hit on it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We'll go one by one and quick hit on it.
All right, all right, let's see it.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, the first one I think it's easy, or one
of the bigger camp battles we have, will it matter
for the team. Probably not. But Brett Rippy and versus
Max ros Oh, baby, I think that's a big one
to watch because they will both get a lot of
action today. Sam Howell's starting. The other two I, you know,
should get plenty of time. Might be a quarter one
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quarter one quarter type situation. Ripping twenty nine year old
Boise State product. I was looking up his statsu. His
NFL stats are are bad. You know, four touchdowns, nine picks,
ten games. College stats were crazy good, thirteen thousand yards,
four year starter at Boise State.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's a Kevin o'conyle system guy though.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Just gripped it and ripped it in college. Just an
absolute legend. Obviously, Brozmer kind of dominated the SCS world,
and that the Gophers looked fine for what the Gophers do,
which is not throw a lot, but everything is kind
of saying that Brosner has been then the guy in
Kansas has been turning heads.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It's a big preseason day number two.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So it is.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So do you go with the twenty nine year old
vet as your quarterback three? Or do you kind of
roll the dice on a practice squad? Twenty four year
old see what you got see if there's an will
either of them ever start, know, if the Vikings are
to a situation where we're on our third string, doesn't
matter who it is, No, So I would lean, and
obviously some Gopher bias, I'm sure, but I would lean
going the Brosmer route because why would you not just
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take the younger guy, because again, if either of them
have to start a game, were screwed anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
One hundred percent agree, I would not disagree with anything
you said, and I will bring this up. There's been
discussion about, oh a backup quarterback debate because Max Brozemer's
looks so good and practice and in the preseason, I
don't think there's any debate and de bite. Sam Howe
struggles in training camp and has been widely reported by
everybody that he's been struggling. What isn't gonna happen is this,
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The Vikings are not gonna throw out a first time
starting effect basically rookie quarterback and JJ McCarthy and have
his backup be an undrafted quarterback out of Minnesota. So
I've seen some like, well, could Brosman be QB two?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No shit.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Here, But what really has become a discussion is if
Brosmer is going to continue to show that he's going
to get plucked off the practice squad by some other
NFL organization, throw Brett Rippan on the practice squad because
he's probably gonna make it there. So at this point
in time, I think Prosmer should be QB three and
(29:23):
you send Brett Rippan over to the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yep, I totally agree like you said. I mean, Sam
Hall's at least started a bunch of games in his life.
Does he have a better chance if JJ McCarthy goes
down to be decent? I mean yes, obviously there's a
reason that he's bounced around at this point. It's not
a start anymore. But that's true of any backup quarterback
that exists.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right, And if he is gonna be terrible as a backup,
then throwing Brozemer and see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right, if he does a few games, you're like, oh boy, yeah,
throw someone else, all right. I think the the running
back positions in another position to watch number two is
this number two?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Ok?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, obviously have Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason, which I
think think Jordan Mason I would not be shocked. If
he ends up as more of the lead back, that's
kind of more of a I don't know, people are
still kind of slotting Aaron Jones in there. I bet
it's I think it's gonna be fifty to fifty or
even maybe it you know, a hitch towards the Masons side.
He was a very effective runner for the forty nine ers.
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Aaron Jones is thirty or thirty one whatever he is.
Mason's more of a bruiser, so it might be more
of a Mason on first and second down and Jones
on third down kind of thing. But ty Chandler versus
Xavier Scott. I suppose it'd be the next one. But
do the Vikings keep ty Chandler? Do they trade ty Chandler?
Do they let him go? I believe they can say
something like a million bucks in cap space if they,
(30:41):
you know, dispose of him. I don't know that you
need him anymore with the two running backs ahead of him, right,
you know, he's kind of an Aaron Jones maybe sort
of a replacement guy. But again, next year they're probably
going a different direction anyway to high chan the regardless,
so that'd be something to watch. Does do any of
the other Viking running back to step up today like
Xavier Scott. I doubt Trey Stewart, but mainly mainly Xavier Scott.
(31:05):
Does he look like an RB three where they can
get rid of ty Chandler.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, a lot of Vikings reporters have indicated that Xavier
Scott has been outperforming ty Chandler, and over the years
Kevin O'Connell has yanked ty Chandler pretty quickly, specifically because
of his pass blocking issues. He's got speed, he's got
electricity running the ball and catching the ball because of
(31:30):
his ability to burst one, but he can't pass block.
Terrible pass blocker, and I would think by all measures
that Xavier Scott will be RB three right now. Now
with the Jordan Mason thing, uh, one thing that still
befuddles me is how much the Vikings had to give
(31:54):
up to get Jordan Mason. It was practically nothing. And
Jordan Mason has been a very capable running back with
the San Francisco forty nine ers over the years, and
I think he had some health problems maybe last year,
but when he's healthy, he's a very capable running back
that can do multiple things in the backfield. And he's
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not a twenty nine year old either, which maybe he's
got like one ule. He's pretty young, so I don't
know why the forty nine ers gave him up for
practically nothing, but here the Minnesota Vikings are with great options,
and I would agree maybe it's one of those things
where Jordan Mason takes on sixty percent of the load
(32:39):
throughout the game, but Aaron Jones finishes the game unless
Mason is riding some kind of heater where it's like
just to let him go because he's on fire right now.
But I can see something like that happening.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well, and Mason's the bruiser. He's a big boy. He
has something like one hundred and twenty total receiving yards
in his career. You don't throw Jordan in the ball obviously.
You know, Jones is bread and butter at this point
in his career. Is all that kind of like third
down receiving work and stuff like that. Obviously he still
can run the ball. But that's what that's what I
mean with the split where I think we're gonna see
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Mason as more of our bruiser first and second down
kind of the grinded out guy, but Jones is still
the more explosive option. So I think that's going to
be a nice fifty to fifty, you know, Ying and
Yang sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
There one thing about that real quick, and as I
posted this on Twitter, I replied to someone on Twitter
with this, Jordan Mason, the big bruiser, the big guy
that's going to get the short yards game. I cannot
wait this season for the fourth and inches, the Vikings
(33:44):
run the ball to Jordan Mason, and what has been
o'conin's biggest criticism for the last three years, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, I feel like play calling, Blakers, what are you
this fourth?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Run the ball? If you can't pick up a yard,
what are you doing? I cannot wait this season when
the Vikings run the ball the Jordan Mason on fourth
and inches and get stuff. Whoa, that's predectable. You gotta
mix it up and be a little bit more unique.
I just I just cannot wait for that moment because
(34:20):
I'm gonna point to the last three years when he
did exactly the opposite of almost going a little too fancy,
like that's been his thing. It's just getting a little
two fans, get simplify it. Run the ball on fourth
in inches and then they get stopped. And then it's like,
it's too simple, it's too easy. They're ready to look.
If there's nine linemen at the line of scrimmage, you
(34:41):
got to mix it up a little bit. I just
can't wait. That's that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's the first time it happens, because we always text
every time that happens. I'm looking forward to it al ready,
all right, wide receiver two slash three because Addison is
out for three games, not long, not forever. But that's hey,
(35:10):
that's a big deal. For three games, it is, you know,
the real answer is probably just TJ. Hawkinson getting some
more work.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
But Dalen Naylor's hand right now, ye if he yep?
I mean, is it Lucky Jackson? Is it Ty Felton?
Is it signing somebody that is competent and is not
under the age of twenty five?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Or Thomas has been making some noise in practice? Who
has fair Thomas? A little whitey?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh? There he is sure.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Wes Walker s kind of wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I was looking at the depth start trying to find him,
he says, the fourth receiver behind Addison.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yep, he's been getting some run with the ones.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Okay, but yeah, that's just to watch today to see
if anybody likes that, like Lucky Jackson, like Typhelon, like
fair Thomas, any of those guys that step up and
look like they could be a competent again, because they'd
be wide receiver three right now, but potentially two depending
on how mister Jalen Naylor what his status is. So
(36:08):
that'd be something to watch today. If you want to sign,
are you a feeling guy obviously Viking fans, or we
need one more Adam thiel and go trade garbage for him,
the thirty six year old or whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I mean, what you would ask Adam Thielen to bring,
he would bring, right. You just need a guy that
could catch a few passes on third down, move the
chains whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So I mean he actually had a he was awful
and just in terms of like fantasy, I did not
watch Panthers games, but I had him on my fantasy team,
my dynasty team. Yeah, I tried to trade him, but shocking,
nobody wants to thirty five receiver. But his first like,
he struggled early, and part of it was Bryce Young
was so terrible too. But he ended the year on
like a pretty like solid like he had a bunch
(36:54):
of games that he put together that was like, oh,
that's he still got a little bit. So yeah, I
don't know if the Panthers did even trade him. I
mean they got at uh, Ted McMillan now and Xavier Lagette.
You know, maybe they don't care about a thirty five
three six year old receiver anymore. But just watching receivers
today would be some to watch.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Two touchdowns in the second to last game of the
season last year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, No, he was. He had a little run there
where he was effective again.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yep. I will say this about the wide receiver thing.
If you're going to bring someone in from the outside,
now is the time to do it. What you don't
want to do, in my opinion is Naylor gets hurt now,
you try to get him healthy, gets hurt again, whatever,
and then you try to bring a wide receiver in
(37:38):
the week of the Chicago Bears, Well, the guy's not
going to be ready to play. So if you're going
to bring in a feeling or a hold over beck computer,
even though they know the system and are familiar, I
would bring them in immediately, get them comfortable with McCarthy
and the system and reacclimated. So if you're going to
make a decision like this, you can't sit on your hand.
(37:59):
You've got a move on it now. So if they
don't know something now, it's like, what are you waiting for?
I guess they're trusting it and just gonna ride with it,
ride it out.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, they right, that's that is what they're going to do. Yeah.
Amary Cooper is another name I thought of. Two still
a free agent, you know, and he looks pretty bad
for the Bills, but you never know. He was traded
halfway through the year. It's hard to know when those
guys you know whatever. But so that's kind of the
last one or the third one. Two more. Can Dallas
Turner do anything?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, I mean granted he got kind of so we
trade all this capital for him, and then he gets
stuck behind you know, our two biggest basically free agent signings,
Grenard and Andrew Van Ginkel. You know, can he be
anything more? Obviously those two aren't going anywhere, you know,
can he He's probably not sliding down to a d
end right the d Lineman. That's you got your hard
(38:50):
graves and your Phillips and your Allen's and your guys
like that that are the big boys, you know, So
what is his role? What is his what is his abilities?
Can he do anything other than just come in as
a third down pass rush threat?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Is there any long term you know, BEng ginkel Grenard.
I mean they're gonna be for a little bit, like
you got to find a role for your first round
draft pick from it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And it's interesting you bring this up because Paul Allen
on his show just this past week mentioned that people
are kind of low on Dallas Turner and they're higher
on Gabriel Murphy, who is an undrafted porter out of
like UCLA or something like that. So the fact that
Paul Allen made mention of Dallas Turner on his show
(39:38):
and pa is as you know, he is very as
you can get. Yeah, what he says, yes, very intentional,
loves the Vikings, been the caller for twenty something years.
So like he's not gonna come out with this just
because he feels like it or has a little inkling.
He's going to say something like this because there's some
(39:59):
things happening the scenes that are concerning revolving around Dallas Turner.
And what's so funny about this is that when training
camp starts and you get those first pictures of players
and Dallas Turner is looking huge and he's looking fast,
and he's looking bigger, stronger, And now you get to
a preseason game and he is invisible or is it
(40:21):
performing as a first round pick? And I was like,
uh oh, uh oh, Dallas Turner, what's going on with
Dallas Turner? So something to keep an eye on for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yep, last one. I think you'll enjoy this one.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Here, I gotta get my where did where did my
numbers go? Here? We go four?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So this one is kind of a handicap match with
a two on one handicap match. If you're talking to
w W style KOC and JJ McCarthy verse Diana Rossini.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Seriously, Wow, did you see.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The interview as.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Eight second clip at the end.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, So for those who didn't see it, the short
story is Diana for some reason, has been doing like
a press tour about how bad she thinks JJ McCarthy
is essentially you know, she's on Bill siventh podcast saying it.
She's been on ESPN. I mean, she's been all over
the place just spewing JJ McCarthy's not going to be
(41:24):
good basically, and she for some reason, I'm shocked that
they even did it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Oh, that's why it pisses me off the boat. I've
sent requests in to like Kevin O'Connell's pr Hey can
I get him on the show for ten minutes?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And then here's a Diana Roe City talking shit about
the vikings for all off season. Oh, sure, one on
one in person in if you will give you your
own little interview spot.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, Dana Roussi, here you go. Here's a red carpet
for you.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And it's what I mean, there's so many people out
there now. I don't know why you talk to her.
But so she did you see like the boring part
of the quote. I'm sure that's what went viral. So
I'm sure you saw that.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, she's interviewing him, and he's like basically like, yeah, like,
JJ's get just getting better at all the fine details
right now, you know all the boring stuff, you know,
the stuff that won't make it onto scoop City. And
she basically said, well, yeah, because it's boring.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Right, Well, here's what I got. I pulled it up
right here. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Every single Minnesota Vikings blog listens to every episode. I'm
sure we do, and they love me.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Thanks for coming out in spending some time.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And obviously she was I mean, she's doing that and
jest a little bit. She gets it for sure, and
he was playing along a little bit. But again, yeah,
she just straight up told him to his face that well, yeah,
because details are boring and that's not going to get
clicks totally as a little before that, and she didn't
say those words, but that was what she was, you know,
talking about the details of getting better is boring. They
(42:56):
want like interesting, like gossipy stuff. I mean, she's basically
become just like an NFL gossip person has. But just
it's just weird. I don't know what the deal was,
And again I was more just shocked that KOs did it.
I don't know why he would, or why they would
want to, or what the incentive was, or maybe he
just was trying to make her look stupid and it kind.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Of worked, right, I know, Yeah, I don't know. It
was very awkward ending. Yeah, and when you looked at
his body language, people, there's there's a couple of like
you know, people love to read body language and things
like that, and to their point, uh, those body language
experts were kind of pointing out that Kavin O'Connell's body
(43:42):
language wasn't the best during this interview. And I mean
he's seen the noise, he's seen the chatter and stuff
like that about his rookie.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And because he he joked about it, and he's.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
And and I mean O'Connell is invested in McCarthy. He is,
he was his pick. And if McCarthy is getting bad pressed,
well some of that is on oconee too, because he's
the one that is riding with him. Is a rider McCarthy, And.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's not I was saying, it's not necessarily Koc's case,
but it might be. Where you see how many NFL
coaches do you see that are let go because of
the quarterback that they chose didn't work out? Right? You
draft either, you signed somebody, you draft somebody. Almost all
amounts to nothing. That coaches probably getting fired because the
record is not gonna be as good. Everyone's gona upset.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
So Kyle Shanahan would not be the head coach of
the forty nine ers if they if Brock Party didn't
come out on nowhere because.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Great because he pushed all his chips in on Trey Lance.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, because they traded multiple first round picks for Trey Lance,
who played like two games at North Dakota State University,
and then brock Party this seventh round pick, my last
pick of the draft. Mister irrelevant comes out of nowhere
and is taking your team to two super Bowls. It's
like you got lucky because he would have been fired
(45:03):
if that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yep, So.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
List, Jacob, great list.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah. I did some prep work.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
It was amazing. It was a sensation for the first time.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
What I know, I'm just joking. We prepp We usually
have a rundown.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, actually, I actually I actually have been doing a
little rundown. It's a little Google doc.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, I've been a little doing a little of this,
a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Well you're the professional. I'm just a guess.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well you're ready, you're ready.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I was ready today.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
A long time since we talked. I was just kind
of getting itchy.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh no, we're itchy. Now the itch. The itch has
been resolved, and now that we're getting back into the
swing of things, we got favorable, formidable and fifty to
fifty coming up soon after, probably the third preseason game
as prediction season gets closer.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
So lost game, I'll give you a tease, yea favorable, favorablevable,
I'll give you a tease formidable, but you figure out
which ones are which. Yeah, and then Adam Texas when
we're all wrong, he'll he'll.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
He'll take a screen grab of our prediction and send
it right to us. He does.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
If we lose, if we lose a favorable game, uncount, we're.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Not afraid we can. We're not afraid of that. So yeah,
that's coming up around the corner pretty soon. Jacob and
I will get back into our weekly discussions because it's
fun and it's good stuff and just it's good to
have back and forth. I don't like doing the stuff
by myself all the time. So all right, everyone, thanks
for joining the show. Jacob, thank you as always, and
y'all have a great day. Remember to check out five
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
I haven't been on here since it's been the Grind.
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, but if you want to be a guest on
the show, you gotta say.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
The Grind, the Grind.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, come on, that's pretty good though.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
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That's why it's being called The Grind the Minnesota Sports podcast.
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how you doing. It's been a minute, but as the
Viking season is ready to kick off, this is when
(01:53):
we kick into high gear and pump out podcasts all
the time. But you got Litchfield football, you got volleyball,
we got McCarthy, we got preseason takeaways, or do you
want to start that?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
I just't met well. I thought, when you're talking about
the grind and team's not winning a title, I are
you dismissing the twins you know journey this year? I
are you counting them out of a championship this well, I'm.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Not counting them out. And recently I disclosed a formula
that could potentially break this curse that is been laying
over the state of Minnesota for twenty five years, Well
(02:41):
not twenty five years. Thirty three years, and I don't know.
I said twenty five years. I'm thirty three years old.
I was born in nineteen ninety one. Should be pretty
easy math to do, but it wasn't. But here's here's
here's the formula for the curse to be broken. I
thought formula number one was Okay, when I have offspring,
(03:08):
the curse will be broken. Our daughter's born, curse isn't broken.
I thought when I had a son, the curse would
be broken. We have a son, the curse isn't broken.
But here's where I find the formula. I was the
third child. I was the third child in our family,
(03:31):
the last to be born, and that's when the curse started.
Although the Twins won the World Series a month later,
they haven't won a championship since nineteen ninety one. Now
I am having our third child, which I think because
I was the third child, I'm having the third child,
(03:54):
it seems to line up appropriately. So I think the
formula might be broken.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I think so. I think that's a good That sound logic, right,
that's very sound logic.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Yeah, that's what I'm going with it.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, how many do you have? Aggressive twins? Are you
as angry as all these other Twins fans are about
the pole ad situation.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Man. I disclosed that take earlier this week. I shared,
when you're a billionaire, you can do whatever the heck
you want, and when you're an owner, you can own
the team however you want. And they have made it
clear that they are going to own the team however
they want to put the team for sale. For the
(04:39):
commissioner to say a sale will be coming down soon
or as likely to happen and then for them to
change their minds is the most pole ad thing ever.
But they're the owners. They can do whatever the heck
they want because they have few money.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
And you know what I thought of, Yeah, Glenn Taylor
probably wishes he did with the seriously, just sell for
like four billion.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Or something like. Yeah, and he just sold to Alex
Rodriguez and Mark Glorie for like one point five billion.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, and he'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he's Oh, I'm not going to live
out the final five to ten years of my life
because I lost two and a half billion dollars on
this deal.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, and I his kids and his grandkids will be
just fine too.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's just obviously disappoint Now. It's it is funny because
I just don't care, Like I have not watched a
second of Twins baseball. I go maybe to one game
a year, not something I care about.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
He didn't subscribe to Twins TV.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Nopp, I don't. Yeah, I watched zero Twins on the
air too, But it is just disappoint You want other
people who care to have what they want to have,
you know, and have a team and owners that care
about the product, right trying to sneak four hundred and
(06:08):
fifty million dollars of debt into a sale and just
like the shadiness and the lack of you know, fiscal
responsibility that they seem to have. Yeah, just embarrassing more
than anything. To watch trades is just kind of like,
I don't know, but's.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Just interesting because after they traded Carlos Korea, everyone was frustrated.
But it's not like Carlos Korea was producing anything on
the field this season.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
No. That's my hot take is that most of the
trades they did were not like who cares like it?
They weren't like people are they with ten eleven people?
I mean most of them were kind of not either
not performing well or only had a year left stuff
(06:52):
like that. The only two I think Duran and uh Barland.
I think those two sucked trading those two sucked. Like
Barlin was under contract for five more years. Duran's clearly
like if we're good next year, Duran would help us
be good next year, right, you know, but people were
mad about Griffin Jackson. Well, they didn't want to trade
Griffin Jacks. Griffin Jacks requested a trade after everyone else
(07:15):
was getting traded. He knew what was happening, and they
honored his requests, which, you know, whatever. Good.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
It's not like Griffin Jackson is going to be the
difference between the Twins being a playoff team or not.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Yeah, and I remember who it was.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
They've been more entertaining since the trades. It's been more yea,
and not that I've watched the game, but to follow
them via social media.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Old story and yeah, give another guy's opportunities. Yeah, I
was listening to Oh, I think it's bonus, just saying
like relievers are the easiest things to develop, Like you know,
they're usually starting pitchers who don't quite work out, and
then you get them to specialize in a relief role
and that's what. All the guys that we had in
those relief positions were all former starters that you just
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kind of developed.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's fair. Right. Again, your point of being, are they
a ninety five win team next year if they have
kept Duran and Jacks and Barland? I mean no, probably not.
It's probably not the difference. So it's not the end
of the world. But it is, especially Varland where it's
like Minnesota guy went to Minnesota collegees or I forget
what twenty went two, but he went to somewhere Minnesota.
You know, his wife like attends every game, like they
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were like Minnesota people, and it just felt unnecessity, like
what are you doing by again, we have Barlind until
twenty thirty, Like what what's the purpose of trading him?
You know. But yeah, so that's kind of my hot
take is that the ten people they traded out for
the most part wasn't actually that controversial. Obviously. It's more
just like what it represents that is the problem, you know,
(08:45):
the financial peace and how they're cutting payroll Na Da
Da da La.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Louis. Varland attended North High Senior School in Saint Paul, Yeah,
and played college baseball at the Concordia University Saint Paul See.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I knew he was that. I could remember which college
you went to, but I knew he was a local boy.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And again that's just more like it's the I don't know,
it's a it's the pr of it, right, Like you're
trading a guy who loves me is what it wants
to be here, his family wants to be here, blah
blah blah blah blah. There's not really a financial reason
to trade him because it's a super cheap contract and
they just do it anyway, you know. So it just
makes you go from like I don't really like those
people to like, oh they're doing that, I really don't
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like those people being in terms of.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trade a local boy. It changes things, gets it takes
a It takes a more emotional toll on your body
and mind. Yeah, and creates more bitterness and frustration towards
the ownership.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, just another thing.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
What are they doing? Well, let's talk about the a topic.
Announce the Minnesota Vikings. They have a preseason game today,
Go Max Brosmer. But really the biggest conversation has revolved
around Jajon McCarthy and his inconsistencies in practice, his inconsistencies
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in the first preseason game, and then in joint practices
versus the Patriots two days ago, he was lights out,
performed his best practice he's ever had, accurate, showed his
big arm, dominated touchdowns here, touchdowns there, and all the
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reporters that were at the game at practice said the
same thing. He looks phenomenal, he looks great. And what
I want to see is that he puts more than
one good practice together, because the day before everyone was
reporting that it was a pretty poor practice, and then
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the very next day he's great. He's lights out, he's dynamite,
he's dominating. It's sensational. And here's where I struggle with
this with with McCarthy. If you're performing poorly in practice
and then you perform great in practice, that's good. We'd
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love to see great practices. But now I want to
ask him to put together more than one good practice
in a row, show some consistency. Sure, it's been a
year since he's played competitive football practices and all those things,
so it's going to take time for him to kind
of get up to speed and get familiar and get
comfortable and get the arm where he needs it to be.
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But if you're performing poorly in practice, I compare it
to Okay, if you're performing bad on the driving range,
you don't take a par driving range performance and take
it out of the golf course and then shoot your
best score. Larry Bird would make three hundred straight free
throws in practice. He was a career eighty eight percent
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free throw percentage shooter from the free throw line. So like,
that's that's that's kind of where I'm at with that.
Where what do you say?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah? I mean, so as always, right, the answer lies
somewhere in the middle. Usually there's a people extreme on
one side, extreme on the other, and usually the truth
is somewhere kind of the middle. Some people have expectations
way too high, right, I mean, to expect a what's
a twenty two year old, you're right, coming off of
a whole miss rookie season. You know he got mental
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reps blah blah blah, but he hasn't played NFL football yet.
He's effectively a rookie, right yep. And expecting him to
just come out and be even what Sam Donald was
last year is probably asking a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Oh, I don't think he can perform Donald's numbers thirty
five touchdowns, twelve picks. I don't think the Vikings coordinators
will allow that. I don't even think they would allow
him to be Sam Donald last year.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Yeah, yep. So you have that where some people expect
him to be in that tier, and again, odds are
he's probably not ready for that tier, right, And then
you have other people that are saying, you know, looking
at these practices, going he's never going to figure it out,
He's never going to blah blah blah blah blah blah.
And again, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. He's
a twenty two year old effective rookie right where he's learning,
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he's I mean, he comes from a Michigan system where
obviously he's slung the ball around a little bit, but
there was a run first team that he was a
compliment to the run game. Hopefully that I mean, that's
kind of a little bit what the Vikings can do
with their team, right Jones and Jordan Mason. So just again,
the truth is somewhere right there in the middle. He's
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going to have plenty of games where he looks like
the chosen one and you know, I can guarantee he's
going to lose this a few games where he just
looks like a rookie just with his head underwater, throwing
bad throats, trying to figure it out, you know, all
that sort of stuff. I mean, so right, just nowadays,
it's all sensationalism, right, he's the best ever, he's the
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worst ever. I mean again, the truth is probably likely
gonna lie somewhere in the middle, which is on the
boring side. But that's just the way that I see it.
You know, is he going to be effective? Yes? Is
he gonna have a few games where he absolutely, probably
you know, cuts down our chances of winning because he
has mistakes. Absolutely, it's gonna happen. The other thing I
always wonder too, or not always, but since this camp
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has been going on, I've always wondered this since camp started,
and you see all the reporting, you know, you look
at anybody's rankings of defenses and the Vikings. Some people
have them number one, most people have them top five
and a minimum top ten defensive unit. I do wonder
because everyone, you know, the Vikings defense is so good.
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They do so many different funky things, and the way
they bring pressure and blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
Brian Flores is a genius. I do wonder how much
that matters in terms of McCarthy's like development too, Like
if they're some truth to it, because my first reaction
was like, no way, there's no way that you know,
he's gonna look bad against the Vikings defense and then
all of a sudden just be able to turn it
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on against the Bears Monday night.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
The Bears have a good defense too.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
We can't discount the Bears defense. They were all legit
last year.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Right, that's fair. I just mean, you know, just in general,
once he goes against other teams, gonna be able to
just turn it on totally. And it's like at first
it was like aeah, that seems dumb. Like they're all
NFL defenses, they're all complex, they're all doing all there.
You know, you have thirty two in theory of the
best defensive minds in the world, right, decordinators that are
figuring all this out. So but to some extent, I
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think it might be kind of true that some you know,
the Vikings are challenging him more probably than the average
you know, defense does during camp, you know, probably good
for his long term development, probably bad for his day
to day How does he look what throws did he hit? Development?
Speaker 1 (15:55):
And I love you make some good points in your
touch on the exact topic within the topic that I
was going to dive into next and I was gonna
bring up. I look at it a few different ways.
I look at it this way. It's like he's getting
better in practice and he's facing these challenges and adversity
in practice, and then he can bring that into the games.
And this pressure that he has to face is not
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going to be a surprise when he gets to Week
one versus the Chicago Bears and he sees a blitz
coming because he's faced it every day in practice, So
there should be some level of improvement. However, when you
look for the middle, I also find the middle in
this right here. You also have to be careful with
this because we saw this in the first preseason game
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when McCarthy does have a clean pocket when it comes
to the regular season, I think we have to be
careful that he isn't seeing things that aren't there because
of what he got so accustomed to in practice. Meaning
in twenty nineteen, Dollars had the legendary quote when he's
with the Jets that he was seeing ghosts on the
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field because of the amount of pressure that he was
facing it throughout every single week. So that and then
he got to a point where he saw things that
weren't even there. Made Yes, we saw this in the
first preseason game where McCarthy he threw the ball high
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to Lucky Jackson and he was wide open down the
middle of the field. That went over his head and
there was someone I think it might have been McCarthy
or Kevin o'ca is, someone within the Vikings organization said
after the game that typically in practice what he had
to do he is he didn't have time to make
a second hitch and he just had to throw the ball.
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So we've seen some part of Okay. We love that
he's facing this pressure in practice so that he can
get acclimated and it's not a big surprise when it
comes to week one, But we also have to be
careful not to go too far down that road because
if we do, then he might start to see things
in a clean pocket. You might start to expect a
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rush that isn't actually there. Because that's all he's seen.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Again, you're threading the middle line
perfectly there. Yeah, I would err. I mean the odds
that he gets to the point where he's seeing ghosts,
so to speak. You know, I hope we don't get
to that point. Yeah, but I get to what you're saying, absolutely, yeah,
where it's like, yeah, things now I would say be easier,
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right because it's different, but just yeah, the pocket might
be a little cleaner, and it seems like we're gonna
have a great old line too, So you hope that
they're going to hold up and no injuries and all
that sort of good stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So right, we're going back a week now. But I
was very vocal, and tell me I'm wrong, tell me
I'm wrong. I've been very vocal. I've been very vocal,
and we're gonna get to Jacob's preseason five things to
look for in a second. I've been very vocal that
one series in the preseason he threw the ball seven times.
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Had one series against the Houston Texans against their backups,
wouldn't change the trajectory good or bad for McCarthy in
Week one versus the Chicago Bears. When the game's matter.
I was vocal that the risk of playing McCarthy in
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a preseason game was not worth the reward of him
getting one series against the backups, of him getting hurt
missing the entire season. What do you do at the quarterback? Now?
Maybe you trade for Kirk Cousins and we're grateful that
he didn't get hurt. We don't even need to consider
it anymore. But the reason why I bring this up
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is because I've gotten completely run over by the Vikings
fan base that thinks that he needs reps, reps, reps, reps, rep,
he needs the in game experience. Does seven passes one month,
one month before Week one of the regular season going
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to make the difference between McCarthy being successful in Week
one or not.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I would say not even a little bit. The only
thing I will say that it's good for I think
it's more about the routine. It's more about getting the
kind of the jitters out, you know, that kind of thing,
like going through the experience, going through Hey, I'm starting
going through Hey, I'm listening that. How does kaos relay
the plays in? And do you know, just like getting
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reps doing that, I try.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
To get more months than anything.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I think all of that part of it I don't like,
is more important than if he came out and lit
it up. Because again, Texans preseason defenses, they're running bland coverage.
It's again like you said, it's all the backups for
the most part for the Texans. You know, they didn't
have Will Anderson going, I don't remember, don't. They didn't
have to ter going nobody, basically like no, right, So
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it's like what he performed wise, obviously, yes, you'd rather
have him hit throws and whatever, but it's not like
you would be a concern if he didn't, Like I said,
I mean again, I'm not in the quarterback room with
the Vikings, but my guess would be that it's much
more about going through the routine, doing the warm up,
doing the preparation as a starting quarterback, right, going through
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the motions, listening to koc in the headset and how
he relays plays. Obviously they did them practice too, but
just like the game is different, right, I think it's
just to curb it just a little bit. So when
you walk out to Soldier Field, you know, again he's
been in big moments, he's been in the national so
maybe even that part's over blown too. It's not like
he hasn't had big moments. I mean, he's a Michigan
national title I mean, so it's like even that aspect
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probably isn't that big of a deal to go through
those motions. But at the end of the day, he's
still a twenty two year old who's going to be
starting in the NFL first first time. You can't tell
me he's not going to be nervous and all that
sort of stuff. That's my my kind of take is
more that it's about going through those reps again, what
happened on the field. There's no chance that Kayosi's worried about, Hey,
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the difference of this this ten plays that he had
against Houston. Now he's ready and he wouldn't have been before.
I don't I don't think that's that big of a
factor for them because obviously, again the joint practices is
where they really get all the reps, those game like
reps under a controlled environment. So yeah, I mean, it's
the old way of thinking. I think more so is
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that hey, they need to play preseason games to get
the reps and get ready and blah blah blah. No,
they structure practice now that that's where they're getting all
their like game like reps you know, long term, you know,
but I don't know how long here we're looking, But
it will not be surprising if all the preseason games
go away and that's not a thing anymore because they
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just don't, you know, they just turn them into regular
season games or whatever. So I mean, I don't think
anybody really there's certain eyes where Yeah, and especially obviously
preseason is more about your your twos, your threes and
your fours. Bat's gonna make the roster? Yeah, you know
that's important because those are guys who have never been
in those situations before or have and or you know,
on the fence or whatever. But yeah, no McCarthy getting
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you know again, do you want to see him performing? Well, yeah, duh.
But like, I don't think that's like some sort of
indication to perform how it'll go or like and again
to your point, there's certainly a chance, you know, the
injury risk of it. Yeah, there's plenty of coaches who
don't take that risk anymore with anybody. Even if they
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do need game reps. Again, they do those game reps
in a controlled environment in practice. Now they don't even
worry about the preseason so right, and the.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
One that I was making is like, okay, one series
against Houston, he could make that up in the first
quarter against Chicago. And some people responded, and not that
they get offended by it, but it's like they didn't
understand the reasoning for my opinion. It's like they're like, oh,
you could get hurt anywhere. Well, I'd rather get him
get hurt in the game that matters, versus the Chicago Bears.
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That versus missed the entire season in a meaningless preseason
game because the Houston Texas we just saw this last year.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
But anyways, all right, might even like again with the Patriots,
it's a controlled environment. They're not touching with Carthy.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Right, you know, right, but he's still getting the reps.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
And he's still getting the reps. So yeah, it's just again,
could they have made it without him playing a game? No,
I would guess that McCarthy wanted to. I would guess
obviously KOs wanted him to. Like I said, I bet
it's more about the routine running out there for the
first time, listen to the crowd, get in the headset
in there, and listening to the plays and relaying and
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just that confidence build more than anything than it is
about like the physical. Hey, I threw it a twenty
two yarder to Addison on that whatever, you know, it's
it's a good point that hundreds of times in practice
already that that's not a big deal.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
All right.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Let's dive into Jacob's five things to look for in
the preseason. But first I need to tell you about
a Hopeland Farms beef because they have the best one
one hundred percent rotationally grazed grass fed beef. You go
to the store, you look for a steak or a
chuck roast, and you check the price on that, it's
like nine to ten dollars a pound. Hopeland Farm Beef
(25:20):
has chuck roast, steaks, hamburger, all the good stuff for
roughly four dollars a pound. You heard me right, four
dollars a pound. Contact Jared to get your order of
one hundred percent grass fed beef at Hoakland Farm nine
five two four nine one five four one nine five
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two four five four one. You'll you'll be financially better
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it's better, it's cheaper, it's better in every single category.
Hokland Farms beef nine five two four five four one
tell Jared Tim sent you, and you get a little
discount on your first order.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
All right, Jacob, I'm not joking. I need to do
that because I always go to Walmart and look AT's
like five dollars and seventy cents for like a pound
of hammer, a.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Pound of hammer. But you look at the steaks and
truck rows, it's like that's nine. It's just like skyrockets,
you know, it's nine dollars a pound. Yeah, yeah, no fun,
contact Jared.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Five things to watch today?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
All right, five things here we go. Let me, let
me put a little music so I can, you know,
have a little have a little fun with it. Oh,
the wrong one? Maybe this one?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
You want me to give you all five and then
you can kind of circle back to which ones you
want to talk about, or you want to go one
by one and just quick hit on it.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
We'll go one by one and quick hit on it.
All right, all right, let's see it.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Okay, the first one I think it's easy, or one
of the bigger camp battles we have, will it matter
for the team. Probably not. But Brett Rippy and versus
Max ros Oh, baby, I think that's a big one
to watch because they will both get a lot of
action today. Sam Howell's starting. The other two I, you know,
should get plenty of time. Might be a quarter one
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quarter one quarter type situation. Ripping twenty nine year old
Boise State product. I was looking up his statsu. His
NFL stats are are bad. You know, four touchdowns, nine picks,
ten games. College stats were crazy good, thirteen thousand yards,
four year starter at Boise State.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
He's a Kevin o'conyle system guy though.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Just gripped it and ripped it in college. Just an
absolute legend. Obviously, Brozmer kind of dominated the SCS world,
and that the Gophers looked fine for what the Gophers do,
which is not throw a lot, but everything is kind
of saying that Brosner has been then the guy in
Kansas has been turning heads.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
It's a big preseason day number two.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
So it is.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So do you go with the twenty nine year old
vet as your quarterback three? Or do you kind of
roll the dice on a practice squad? Twenty four year
old see what you got see if there's an will
either of them ever start, know, if the Vikings are
to a situation where we're on our third string, doesn't
matter who it is, No, So I would lean, and
obviously some Gopher bias, I'm sure, but I would lean
going the Brosmer route because why would you not just
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take the younger guy, because again, if either of them
have to start a game, were screwed anyway.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
One hundred percent agree, I would not disagree with anything
you said, and I will bring this up. There's been
discussion about, oh a backup quarterback debate because Max Brozemer's
looks so good and practice and in the preseason, I
don't think there's any debate and de bite. Sam Howe
struggles in training camp and has been widely reported by
everybody that he's been struggling. What isn't gonna happen is this,
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The Vikings are not gonna throw out a first time
starting effect basically rookie quarterback and JJ McCarthy and have
his backup be an undrafted quarterback out of Minnesota. So
I've seen some like, well, could Brosman be QB two?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
No shit.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Here, But what really has become a discussion is if
Brosmer is going to continue to show that he's going
to get plucked off the practice squad by some other
NFL organization, throw Brett Rippan on the practice squad because
he's probably gonna make it there. So at this point
in time, I think Prosmer should be QB three and
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you send Brett Rippan over to the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yep, I totally agree like you said. I mean, Sam
Hall's at least started a bunch of games in his life.
Does he have a better chance if JJ McCarthy goes
down to be decent? I mean yes, obviously there's a
reason that he's bounced around at this point. It's not
a start anymore. But that's true of any backup quarterback
that exists.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right, And if he is gonna be terrible as a backup,
then throwing Brozemer and see what he can do.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Right, if he does a few games, you're like, oh boy, yeah,
throw someone else, all right. I think the the running
back positions in another position to watch number two is
this number two?
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Ok?
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, obviously have Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason, which I
think think Jordan Mason I would not be shocked. If
he ends up as more of the lead back, that's
kind of more of a I don't know, people are
still kind of slotting Aaron Jones in there. I bet
it's I think it's gonna be fifty to fifty or
even maybe it you know, a hitch towards the Masons side.
He was a very effective runner for the forty nine ers.
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Aaron Jones is thirty or thirty one whatever he is.
Mason's more of a bruiser, so it might be more
of a Mason on first and second down and Jones
on third down kind of thing. But ty Chandler versus
Xavier Scott. I suppose it'd be the next one. But
do the Vikings keep ty Chandler? Do they trade ty Chandler?
Do they let him go? I believe they can say
something like a million bucks in cap space if they,
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you know, dispose of him. I don't know that you
need him anymore with the two running backs ahead of him, right,
you know, he's kind of an Aaron Jones maybe sort
of a replacement guy. But again, next year they're probably
going a different direction anyway to high chan the regardless,
so that'd be something to watch. Does do any of
the other Viking running back to step up today like
Xavier Scott. I doubt Trey Stewart, but mainly mainly Xavier Scott.
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Does he look like an RB three where they can
get rid of ty Chandler.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Well, a lot of Vikings reporters have indicated that Xavier
Scott has been outperforming ty Chandler, and over the years
Kevin O'Connell has yanked ty Chandler pretty quickly, specifically because
of his pass blocking issues. He's got speed, he's got
electricity running the ball and catching the ball because of
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his ability to burst one, but he can't pass block.
Terrible pass blocker, and I would think by all measures
that Xavier Scott will be RB three right now. Now
with the Jordan Mason thing, uh, one thing that still
befuddles me is how much the Vikings had to give
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up to get Jordan Mason. It was practically nothing. And
Jordan Mason has been a very capable running back with
the San Francisco forty nine ers over the years, and
I think he had some health problems maybe last year,
but when he's healthy, he's a very capable running back
that can do multiple things in the backfield. And he's
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not a twenty nine year old either, which maybe he's
got like one ule. He's pretty young, so I don't
know why the forty nine ers gave him up for
practically nothing, but here the Minnesota Vikings are with great options,
and I would agree maybe it's one of those things
where Jordan Mason takes on sixty percent of the load
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throughout the game, but Aaron Jones finishes the game unless
Mason is riding some kind of heater where it's like
just to let him go because he's on fire right now.
But I can see something like that happening.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Well, and Mason's the bruiser. He's a big boy. He
has something like one hundred and twenty total receiving yards
in his career. You don't throw Jordan in the ball obviously.
You know, Jones is bread and butter at this point
in his career. Is all that kind of like third
down receiving work and stuff like that. Obviously he still
can run the ball. But that's what that's what I
mean with the split where I think we're gonna see
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Mason as more of our bruiser first and second down
kind of the grinded out guy, but Jones is still
the more explosive option. So I think that's going to
be a nice fifty to fifty, you know, Ying and
Yang sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
There one thing about that real quick, and as I
posted this on Twitter, I replied to someone on Twitter
with this, Jordan Mason, the big bruiser, the big guy
that's going to get the short yards game. I cannot
wait this season for the fourth and inches, the Vikings
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run the ball to Jordan Mason, and what has been
o'conin's biggest criticism for the last three years, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, I feel like play calling, Blakers, what are you
this fourth?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
Run the ball? If you can't pick up a yard,
what are you doing? I cannot wait this season when
the Vikings run the ball the Jordan Mason on fourth
and inches and get stuff. Whoa, that's predectable. You gotta
mix it up and be a little bit more unique.
I just I just cannot wait for that moment because
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I'm gonna point to the last three years when he
did exactly the opposite of almost going a little too fancy,
like that's been his thing. It's just getting a little
two fans, get simplify it. Run the ball on fourth
in inches and then they get stopped. And then it's like,
it's too simple, it's too easy. They're ready to look.
If there's nine linemen at the line of scrimmage, you
(34:41):
got to mix it up a little bit. I just
can't wait. That's that's all.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's the first time it happens, because we always text
every time that happens. I'm looking forward to it al ready,
all right, wide receiver two slash three because Addison is
out for three games, not long, not forever. But that's hey,
(35:10):
that's a big deal. For three games, it is, you know,
the real answer is probably just TJ. Hawkinson getting some
more work.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
But Dalen Naylor's hand right now, ye if he yep?
I mean, is it Lucky Jackson? Is it Ty Felton?
Is it signing somebody that is competent and is not
under the age of twenty five?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Or Thomas has been making some noise in practice? Who
has fair Thomas? A little whitey?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Oh? There he is sure.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Wes Walker s kind of wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I was looking at the depth start trying to find him,
he says, the fourth receiver behind Addison.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yep, he's been getting some run with the ones.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Okay, but yeah, that's just to watch today to see
if anybody likes that, like Lucky Jackson, like Typhelon, like
fair Thomas, any of those guys that step up and
look like they could be a competent again, because they'd
be wide receiver three right now, but potentially two depending
on how mister Jalen Naylor what his status is. So
(36:08):
that'd be something to watch today. If you want to sign,
are you a feeling guy obviously Viking fans, or we
need one more Adam thiel and go trade garbage for him,
the thirty six year old or whatever he is.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I mean, what you would ask Adam Thielen to bring,
he would bring, right. You just need a guy that
could catch a few passes on third down, move the
chains whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
So I mean he actually had a he was awful
and just in terms of like fantasy, I did not
watch Panthers games, but I had him on my fantasy team,
my dynasty team. Yeah, I tried to trade him, but shocking,
nobody wants to thirty five receiver. But his first like,
he struggled early, and part of it was Bryce Young
was so terrible too. But he ended the year on
like a pretty like solid like he had a bunch
(36:54):
of games that he put together that was like, oh,
that's he still got a little bit. So yeah, I
don't know if the Panthers did even trade him. I
mean they got at uh, Ted McMillan now and Xavier Lagette.
You know, maybe they don't care about a thirty five
three six year old receiver anymore. But just watching receivers
today would be some to watch.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
Two touchdowns in the second to last game of the
season last year.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, No, he was. He had a little run there
where he was effective again.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yep. I will say this about the wide receiver thing.
If you're going to bring someone in from the outside,
now is the time to do it. What you don't
want to do, in my opinion is Naylor gets hurt now,
you try to get him healthy, gets hurt again, whatever,
and then you try to bring a wide receiver in
(37:38):
the week of the Chicago Bears, Well, the guy's not
going to be ready to play. So if you're going
to bring in a feeling or a hold over beck computer,
even though they know the system and are familiar, I
would bring them in immediately, get them comfortable with McCarthy
and the system and reacclimated. So if you're going to
make a decision like this, you can't sit on your hand.
(37:59):
You've got a move on it now. So if they
don't know something now, it's like, what are you waiting for?
I guess they're trusting it and just gonna ride with it,
ride it out.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, they right, that's that is what they're going to do. Yeah.
Amary Cooper is another name I thought of. Two still
a free agent, you know, and he looks pretty bad
for the Bills, but you never know. He was traded
halfway through the year. It's hard to know when those
guys you know whatever. But so that's kind of the
last one or the third one. Two more. Can Dallas
Turner do anything?
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Okay, I mean granted he got kind of so we
trade all this capital for him, and then he gets
stuck behind you know, our two biggest basically free agent signings,
Grenard and Andrew Van Ginkel. You know, can he be
anything more? Obviously those two aren't going anywhere, you know,
can he He's probably not sliding down to a d
end right the d Lineman. That's you got your hard
(38:50):
graves and your Phillips and your Allen's and your guys
like that that are the big boys, you know, So
what is his role? What is his what is his abilities?
Can he do anything other than just come in as
a third down pass rush threat?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Is there any long term you know, BEng ginkel Grenard.
I mean they're gonna be for a little bit, like
you got to find a role for your first round
draft pick from it.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And it's interesting you bring this up because Paul Allen
on his show just this past week mentioned that people
are kind of low on Dallas Turner and they're higher
on Gabriel Murphy, who is an undrafted porter out of
like UCLA or something like that. So the fact that
Paul Allen made mention of Dallas Turner on his show
(39:38):
and pa is as you know, he is very as
you can get. Yeah, what he says, yes, very intentional,
loves the Vikings, been the caller for twenty something years.
So like he's not gonna come out with this just
because he feels like it or has a little inkling.
He's going to say something like this because there's some
(39:59):
things happening the scenes that are concerning revolving around Dallas Turner.
And what's so funny about this is that when training
camp starts and you get those first pictures of players
and Dallas Turner is looking huge and he's looking fast,
and he's looking bigger, stronger, And now you get to
a preseason game and he is invisible or is it
(40:21):
performing as a first round pick? And I was like,
uh oh, uh oh, Dallas Turner, what's going on with
Dallas Turner? So something to keep an eye on for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Yep, last one. I think you'll enjoy this one.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Here, I gotta get my where did where did my
numbers go? Here? We go four?
Speaker 2 (40:41):
So this one is kind of a handicap match with
a two on one handicap match. If you're talking to
w W style KOC and JJ McCarthy verse Diana Rossini.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Seriously, Wow, did you see.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
The interview as.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Eight second clip at the end.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah, So for those who didn't see it, the short
story is Diana for some reason, has been doing like
a press tour about how bad she thinks JJ McCarthy
is essentially you know, she's on Bill siventh podcast saying it.
She's been on ESPN. I mean, she's been all over
the place just spewing JJ McCarthy's not going to be
(41:24):
good basically, and she for some reason, I'm shocked that
they even did it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Oh, that's why it pisses me off the boat. I've
sent requests in to like Kevin O'Connell's pr Hey can
I get him on the show for ten minutes?
Speaker 3 (41:38):
And then here's a Diana Roe City talking shit about
the vikings for all off season. Oh, sure, one on
one in person in if you will give you your
own little interview spot.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah, Dana Roussi, here you go. Here's a red carpet
for you.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
And it's what I mean, there's so many people out
there now. I don't know why you talk to her.
But so she did you see like the boring part
of the quote. I'm sure that's what went viral. So
I'm sure you saw that.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, she's interviewing him, and he's like basically like, yeah, like,
JJ's get just getting better at all the fine details
right now, you know all the boring stuff, you know,
the stuff that won't make it onto scoop City. And
she basically said, well, yeah, because it's boring.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Right, Well, here's what I got. I pulled it up
right here. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Every single Minnesota Vikings blog listens to every episode. I'm
sure we do, and they love me.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Thanks for coming out in spending some time.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
And obviously she was I mean, she's doing that and
jest a little bit. She gets it for sure, and
he was playing along a little bit. But again, yeah,
she just straight up told him to his face that well, yeah,
because details are boring and that's not going to get
clicks totally as a little before that, and she didn't
say those words, but that was what she was, you know,
talking about the details of getting better is boring. They
(42:56):
want like interesting, like gossipy stuff. I mean, she's basically
become just like an NFL gossip person has. But just
it's just weird. I don't know what the deal was,
And again I was more just shocked that KOs did it.
I don't know why he would, or why they would
want to, or what the incentive was, or maybe he
just was trying to make her look stupid and it kind.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Of worked, right, I know, Yeah, I don't know. It
was very awkward ending. Yeah, and when you looked at
his body language, people, there's there's a couple of like
you know, people love to read body language and things
like that, and to their point, uh, those body language
experts were kind of pointing out that Kavin O'Connell's body
(43:42):
language wasn't the best during this interview. And I mean
he's seen the noise, he's seen the chatter and stuff
like that about his rookie.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
And because he he joked about it, and he's.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
And and I mean O'Connell is invested in McCarthy. He is,
he was his pick. And if McCarthy is getting bad pressed,
well some of that is on oconee too, because he's
the one that is riding with him. Is a rider McCarthy, And.
Speaker 2 (44:12):
It's not I was saying, it's not necessarily Koc's case,
but it might be. Where you see how many NFL
coaches do you see that are let go because of
the quarterback that they chose didn't work out? Right? You
draft either, you signed somebody, you draft somebody. Almost all
amounts to nothing. That coaches probably getting fired because the
record is not gonna be as good. Everyone's gona upset.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
So Kyle Shanahan would not be the head coach of
the forty nine ers if they if Brock Party didn't
come out on nowhere because.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Great because he pushed all his chips in on Trey Lance.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
Yeah, because they traded multiple first round picks for Trey Lance,
who played like two games at North Dakota State University,
and then brock Party this seventh round pick, my last
pick of the draft. Mister irrelevant comes out of nowhere
and is taking your team to two super Bowls. It's
like you got lucky because he would have been fired
(45:03):
if that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yep, So.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
List, Jacob, great list.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yeah. I did some prep work.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
It was amazing. It was a sensation for the first time.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
What I know, I'm just joking. We prepp We usually
have a rundown.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, actually, I actually I actually have been doing a
little rundown. It's a little Google doc.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Yeah, I've been a little doing a little of this,
a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
Well you're the professional. I'm just a guess.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Well you're ready, you're ready.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
I was ready today.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
A long time since we talked. I was just kind
of getting itchy.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Oh no, we're itchy. Now the itch. The itch has
been resolved, and now that we're getting back into the
swing of things, we got favorable, formidable and fifty to
fifty coming up soon after, probably the third preseason game
as prediction season gets closer.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
So lost game, I'll give you a tease, yea favorable, favorablevable,
I'll give you a tease formidable, but you figure out
which ones are which. Yeah, and then Adam Texas when
we're all wrong, he'll he'll.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
He'll take a screen grab of our prediction and send
it right to us. He does.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
If we lose, if we lose a favorable game, uncount, we're.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Not afraid we can. We're not afraid of that. So yeah,
that's coming up around the corner pretty soon. Jacob and
I will get back into our weekly discussions because it's
fun and it's good stuff and just it's good to
have back and forth. I don't like doing the stuff
by myself all the time. So all right, everyone, thanks
for joining the show. Jacob, thank you as always, and
y'all have a great day. Remember to check out five
(46:49):
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