Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown.
Conservative news host Candace Owens joins the show to talk about being a black conservative, her new Harvey Weinstein project, her support of Donald Trump, the 2024 election, and more. Stephen A also discusses Kyrie Irving tearing his ACL, Jay-Z's defamation suit against his accuser and the Democrats STILL doing some bullis**t.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kyrie's down for the rest of the season. What does
that mean for the Western Conference?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jay z is on the warpath? What the hell am
I talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
And in case you did it, no, you might need
a seat belt when you consider who I'm about to
talk to today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You've heard the name Candice Owens, right, she sogned now
to say the least she always got son to say,
and that ain't changed here on The Stephen A. Smith Show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Let us pray, Let us pray.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What's up? Everybody?
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That's where I got it from. The title of my book.
Got a lot to get into today. Candice Owens will
be on in a few minutes. I got my seat
belt on, y'all. I got my seat belt on.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But before we get to her, let's get start arted.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
In the National Basketball Association, with the headlines have gone
from bad to worse for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Last night, Kyrie Irvin suffered.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
A left knee injury as he was fouled while driving
to the basket against the Sacramento Kings. Replays show his
knee appeared to hype and extend on the play, and scans.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Today revealed that Kyrie Irvin.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Suffered a season ending torn ACL Kyrie was helped to
the free throw line, where he sank both free throws
with tears.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Streaming down his face.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The nine time All Star was averaging nearly twenty five
points per game and has become Dallas's primary outside shooting
threat following the trade of superstar Luca Dungeic to the
Los Angeles Lakers. So far, the trade has not worked
out for the Mavericks, as Anthony Davis went down with
an abductor strain in just his first game with the team.
All this while the team just announced the plans to
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raise prices for season ticket holders.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
First Nicks, First, let me.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Say this about Kyrie Irvin. Kyrie Irvin and I have
had our differences in the past years ago, particularly with
COVID going on some of the situations that he's gotten
himself into. I've never been shah however, of acknowledging what
an absolutely fantastic and phenomenal basketball player that he is
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and at his core, he is a really, really good
and decent person. We don't wish this on anybody, but
especially somebody being this spectacular talent and show stopper that
he is, and so I wish him nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
He's a good brother.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
We've even had differences in the past where it involved
his daddy, and I've gotten to know his daddy, and
now he and I get along and we talk a lot.
We don't talk a lot, I shouldn't say that, but
we talk frequently enough.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
He's a good man. Getting to know him.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Knowing what we've seen from Kyrie Irving, we wish him
nothing but the best. My prayers are with you, brother,
for a full health and healthy recovery. The game needs you,
It needs you, your magnificence, it needs your greatness on display.
So I sincerely hope you come back from this devastating injury.
If anybody can do it, you can do it, and
you will do it. And just know that I'm ruined
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for you, bro, and I wish you nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Transitioning to.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The President of Basketball Operations, general manager for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
To want to know only Nico Harrison. It can't get
much worse. I have.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Nothing but the best wishes for this guy as well.
Nico Harrison was an executive for Nike for nineteen years.
He's worked with Michael Jordan, He's worked with Lebron James.
He was very very tight with Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant
not only loved Nico Harrison, he trusted him. And I
know what Nico Harrison and what kind of situation he's
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put himself in because to be the man running basketball
operations for the Dallas Mavericks to just a month ago,
having traded a twenty five year old superstar in the
game of basketball with a career averager twenty eight points
per game. It was a global iconic basketball figure to
trade him away for somebody six years older, and Anthony Davis.
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And then Anthony Davis goes down his very first game
as a Dallas Maverage. He had twenty six points and
thirteen rebounds in his first game in Dallas before going
down in the third quarter with the abductor strain. And
now here it is where Kyrie goes down to fall
and ten and purposes. The Dallas Mavericks season ended last
night the second Kyrie Ever went down.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's over. They're not gonna win any kind of championship
this year. Let's get that out the way right now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It's not going to happen, and right now, if you
are Nico Harrison, who is receiving death threats, hate mil
and beyond since pulling the trigger on that trade for
Luka dunic you can't imagine how bad things are for
him right now in the city of Dallas, because Luca
is still playing in LA and the Los Angeles Lakers
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has ascended to a number two seed within the Western
Conference and they're in position to compete legitimately for a
shot at the crown. They're a championship contender as we speak.
It can't get any worse for Niko Harrison. Could you
imagine how bad it's going to be if the Lakers
actually end up winning the West and go to the
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finals and Niko is playing and Anthony Davis and Kyrie
Irvn are home and both are home due to injuries.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Remember Kyrie Irvn goes out with.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
An injury, But that's who you were placing the ball
in the hands of for the franchise. Anthony Davis goes
down with an injury, He's the guy you traded Luka
Dancich for. Those are the cornerstones in your franchise for
the foreseeable future, and both of them are down with injuries.
Anthony Davis expected to come back, Kyrie Irving obviously not.
Can't get much worse for Niko Harrison, can't get much worse.
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What I would ask the folks to do is be
a bit patient. Let's look forward to next season and
let's see what Kyrie Irvin and Luca I'm sorry, Kyrie
Irving and ad will be like together if they're healthy.
And oh, by the way, Kyrie Irving has a player
option for next year. He was looking for a long
term deal. Kyrie Irving was on the verge of signing
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for over two hundred and fifty million dollars. This is
the same Kyrie Irving that lost out on a lot
of his money because of some of the incidences public
relations nightmares that he got into.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
He got he got himself into.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So who knows whether or not this is going to
compromise his money, Because if you're Dallas, you want to
give it to Kyrie Irving a player, you just don't
know how healthy he's going.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
To be.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Once he gets back, and you really don't want to
make that kind of commitment until you know for sure. Dallas,
with championship aspirations in the palm of their hands, eviscerated
before our very eyes in a matter of weeks. Let
me transition to the world of entertainment, where Sean Carter,
known as jay Z himself, continues his full throat at
(08:01):
defense of the sexual assault allegations leveled against him levied
against them. Attorneys for jay Z five defamation suit yesterday
against the Alabama woman who claimed, Okay he raped her
when she was thirteen years of age in a sense
withdrawn civil lawsuit. Carter's lawsuit said the woman identified as
Jane Doe timed her claim to quote inflict maximum pain
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and suffering on mister Carter end quote. The lawsuit also
named the woman's attorneys, Tony Busby and David Fortney, whom
jay Z alleged were quote soullessly motivated by greed, in
abject disregard of the truth and the most fundamental precepts.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Of human decency end quote.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
As for Busby, he is his response to the allegations
levied against him by jay Z.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Sean Carter's investigators have repeatedly harassed, threatened, and harangued this
poor woman for weeks, trying to intimidate her and make
her recan to her story she has it and won't. Instead,
she has stated repeatedly she stands by her claims. These
same group of investigators have been caught on tape offering
to pay people to sue me and my firm. After
(09:09):
speaking with Jane Doe today, it's clear to me that
the quotes attributed to her and the lawsuit are completely
made up or they spoke to someone who isn't Jane Doe.
This is just another attempt to intimidate and bully this
poor woman that we will deal with and do. Course,
we won't be bullied or intimidated by frivolous cases.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's not frivolous, mister Busby, respectfully, it's not frivolous. It's
not frivolous. A man was accused of being an adult
and having raped a thirteen year old.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's not frivolous.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And so most people will just move on with their
life and live their best life. It's a very very
difficult thing to do when it comes to jay Z,
cause he's in the public eye and he proclaims adamantly
his innocence. I've already told y'all I never believed he
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was guilty of such a thing. The man that I've
known for twenty five years would never do such a thing.
I couldn't imagine that. But I wasn't an eyewitness account
to the affairs or anything like that. So I don't know,
but I know what I believed in the case of
jay Z. However, if you are an individual that is
innocent of such allegations, I don't blame you one bit
(10:35):
for reigning terror upon anybody who went about the business
of accusing you of something. If indeed you are innocent,
say this much about jay Z. He is certainly conducting
himself like an innocent man. Case was dropped, he can
fade away. He ain't fading away. He talked about how
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he was his business was course twenty million dollars. He's
he's keeping this story in the limelight. Why because he's
making the case I was wrongfully accused of the most
heinous thing that I could possibly fathom. And I'm not
sitting oddly by and going for that. I told y'all
weeks ago when I talked about this matter with jay Z.
(11:19):
I said this to y'all weeks ago. I've been in
the presence of jay Z on many many occasions over
the years. I've seen him when he's been around.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Kids and folks with the foulest of mouths, talking the
way fellas can talk when they get around with another white, black,
Hispanic and beyond.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I've seen jay Z like yo yo yo kids are around.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Everybody can have their opinions based on accusations, but if
the fact is incriminating as the accusations are, if the
facts don't match, especially if somebody comes at you, I
don't blame people for being quiet and letting it fade.
But I also don't blame folks for creating hell and
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fury and going after anybody who dared to accuse them
of such a thing. I don't mind jay Z doing
this at all, mister Busby in his firm. Beware, he's
not going away that much I will say about jay Z.
I don't think he's going away coming up. She's black,
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and she's a far right commentator.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Who is as outspoken as they come.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And our latest cup said is trying to get Harvey
Weinstein exonerated. Who else could I be talking about other
than the one and only Candice Owns.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like I told you, get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And buckle that seatbelt. She's coming on in a few
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Welcome back to the Stephen Nate Smith Show yesterday, I
had the opportunity to speak with the one and only
Candae Owens. For those of you who don't know, she's
a far right to pundit who's not afraid to speak
a mind on a variety of topics, even if her
stance is controversial. She's an African American with conservative views.
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They usually don't sit well with a whole lot of people,
and I want to talk about that before we play
this interview. See on this show. One of the things
that have been transpiring over the last weeks and months
is that we've seen a lot of liberals come on
to this show. We've seen Eric Adams, the Man of
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New York, on this show. We've seen Minority Leader in
the House, the one and only Hakeem Jeffries, successor to
Nancy Pelosi. You just saw me interview former New York
governor candidate for the mayor seed of New York, mister
(15:12):
Andrew Cuomo. You've seen Chris Cuomo on this show on
many occasions.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Bill o'riley's been on this show.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Byron Donald, representative out of the state of Florida, He's
been on this show. But when you see these folks,
and let me not forget Wes Moore, the governor of Maryland.
He's also been on this show. A lot of times.
People forget some of those guys, they remember others. Josh
Shapiro has been on this show, Governor of Pennsylvania. And
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from what I'm being told, there's a whole bunch of
people on Capitol Hill that want to end up on
this show, and I'm honored to have them all. I
say all of that to say on this show, this platform.
I pride myself on being fair minded. I'm not in
a fe shonado when it comes to politics. I'm just
a conscientious observer. I read the news, I watch stuff
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on television. I see what I see. I wonder about
what's going on based on the facts that are disseminated
to us. I'm able to deduce balls and strikes and
how to call it, and I go from there. With
some people, that's not good enough, my response is you're
going to have to get over it. I'm not here
to be friends, not here to make enemies either, but
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I am here to be fair, and part of fairness
is letting people speak and giving them an opportunity to
express their views. Even when I don't agree with them.
In the case of Candace Owens, we're gonna do that.
I got off for twenty five minutes. She's already promised
that she's coming back on and we're gonna have a
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more lengthier discussion about all the things that entails Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What makes her who she is. But why would I
be interested in talking to her?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's not just because she's opposite to say, somebody like
a Roland Martin or an Arreva Martin, who have been analysts,
left wing analysts, I might add that have blessed.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Me with their presence on this show.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But it's also to pique my curiosity and it edify
me to some degree. You see, when I think about
blacks who are conservatives, I see a guy like Officer
Tatum out there. I want to meet that man. I
want to talk to that man in terms of black conservatives,
like an Officer Tatum, like a Canvas Owned, and various others.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They piqued my interest. Do you know why? Because they
deviate from the norm. You see, when people make an argument.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Against the Black community and they say that we're monolithic
and our thinking.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't like that. When they say that eighty after
ninety percent of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
The people in a black community are gonna vote democratically.
Data has always unnerved me for a few reasons. Number one,
I remember when Linda B. Johnson was quoted as saying,
before nineteen sixty four civil rights legislation was placed in
the law, put this through, Push this legislation through.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It will have the negroes vote for us for the
next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I think about how divided society can be, how
divided communities can be. You can be Hispanic, you could
be Dominican, you could be Cuban, you could be Guatemala,
you could be Venezuelan.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You could be Puerto Rican, you could be Mexican.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It doesn't matter. You can't go to all of them
and say, oh, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We got their vote. You can't take them for granted.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
You can't go to white too, are Catholics, white to
are Jewish and say oh, we.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Got their vote.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You can't go to the Asian community and say, oh,
we got their vote.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We got that a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But somehow, some way you could say that about us. So,
on one hand, we have a party which is a
democratic party, which at least some people in the black
community believe has taken us for granted because they know
they got our vote. And then you got folks on
the side of the Conservatives who's saying, there's no way
in hell we gonna get the black vote, so why
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worry about them? And as a result, we end up
being a disenfranchised community.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's the argument we were making before this past election. Back
eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Nine years ago, Trump looked at America black American in particular,
and said, what do.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You have to lose? Fast forward to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
He didn't have to say that, because we saw a
Democratic Party leaning significantly to the progressive left with the
rhetoric they were spewing, and it cost them an election.
How do we know that Trump won all the swing states,
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His popularity increased within the eighty nine percent of the
counties in the United States of America, His popularity increased
within the Black community, within the Hispanic community, and with
young voters. And for the first time in twenty years,
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a Republican won the popular vote, not just the electoral
college vote. Sometimes that should give you cause to pause
and to stand up and pay attention and no, wonder.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What's the other side thinking. Rather than challenge them on every.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Single thing they think, feel, and spell, step back, simply
ask the question and listen to what they have to say,
knowing there's another day to get into a whole bunch
of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what I decided to do with Candice Owens. Say
what you will about her.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
She's smart as a whip, highly intelligent, very articulate, and
doesn't play. There will be times in the future where
hopefully she and I can get together and butt heads
over one issue or another, but this interview wasn't the
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time for that. It was my first time ever meeting
her and speaking to her to my knowledge, and I
simply wanted to ask some questions out of curiosity, to
get her response, and let that response be heard to
the masses, no judgment, no pushback. There would be another
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time for that, not this interview now. With only twenty
five minutes with her, I just wanted to hear how
she would answer certain questions before I revisit those issues
and many more with her later. She promised to come back,
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and I'm thankful for that. For now, Let's just listen
in here what she has to say. Your boy, Stephen A.
Smith with the one and Only Candice Horns.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Take a look now.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I want to start off by saying, I am not
responsible for any comments that are about to be made.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm just interviewing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I'm just listening and hearing from the other side, per Se.
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welcome to The stephen A Smith Show, The One and
Only Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Candace, how are you? Pleasure to meet you? How's everything?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
It is great and I'm actually so excited. I kept
this from your producer because it's too good for me
not to have told you as we're running live, because
this is a full circle moment. But I've actually met
you before.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, and my ex.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Boyfriend many years ago was a huge stephen A Smith.
So we watched you and Skip every single morning and
then we went to a Knicks game and he was like,
do you think you can get hand get him to
give you a handshake? And you were coming in under
into like after the game had ended. You were obviously
in the front. We were not that close, and I
was like, Stephen I Smith, Stephen I Smith, please please
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shake my hand. And then he caught it on camera
and then you gave me a high five, and it
basically made it made our whole life.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Just so you know, well, listen, I'm glad we have
a farm memory together. But it's a pleasure to meeting you.
And just for the record, you are now in enemy territory.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So I've got a lot of questions to ask you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But before I even get into all of that, I
hear congratulations as an order mother of three expecting a
fourth child.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
That is correct? Eight more weeks to go here, So
it's just a factory over here. And thank you very much.
It's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Absolutely congratulations to you and you and you and your
hubby and your family and everything like that. Wishing you
nothing but the best. Let's get right to it, Candice.
First things first, you know, when you saw the election results,
take fold and you saw Donald Trump win the election,
popular vote, electoral college.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Vote, et cetera, et cetera. What were the.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Thoughts that ran through your mind when you saw the
results transpiring?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, I think that the first thing I thought
was that old school expression, it's the economy stupid. You know,
We've done a lot and everyone's screaming at each other
all the time. There's been all these social movements and
key versus her and black versus white, But at the
end of the day, people just weren't living well on
the Biden regime. I call it a regime, but it
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gets down to how was I living? What were the
gas prices? How expensive are groceries? Are you willing to
try something different? And I think genuinely, there's a fatigue
that is setting in, that has set in, that was
beginning to sort of percolate of people that are just
exhausted with being angry, you know what I mean, Like
the media constantly selling this guy's, this guy's, that, she's this,
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she's that. I think we're all just tired and that's
kind of a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Do you believe that Donald Trump won.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The election or that the progressive left and their thought
processed their policy, some of the things that they were spewing.
It was more product of them losing. That's what I've
been saying. It wasn't about him winning. It was about
America saying, nah, he's closer to normal than what the
hell we're hearing over here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
We don't like this, and that's what transpires. What do
you think it was?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You are completely on the money with that. It was
really more that the left lost, and it was a weird.
It was very strange to watch Kamala run. I will
say that because she really only ran for one hundred days, right,
Trump had been running throughout four years, basically kind of
upset about the loss in twenty twenty, and she kind
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of just comes in and it's almost like a coronation,
which I think was disrespectful to the left leading voter base,
Like it was just well, he has kind of said
he's knighted me, and therefore I am the person that
you should be electing. And she didn't really work for it,
and rather was I think quite accusatory. If you don't
elect her, it's because you have an issue with women.
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I don't think Obama's speech to the brothers, the quote
unquote brothers helped him any he's he's been gone. He's
in Martha's vineyard, living in a house god knows how
much it costs, not something I could afford. And stead
he kind of reappears to sort of lecture the brothers
about their responsibility. And I just don't think it's sat
well this time around, just a different time, a different audience,
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and people kind of realizing, Hey, that's not really enough.
Paint me a vision, tell me what you're actually going
to do for me. Don't tell me that it's just
simply my responsibility to give this woman votes because she's
a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, I want to transition to Trump back to
Trump in this regard. I just we just saw it.
That world just saw it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Wasn't a press conference or anything like that. I don't
call it that him with Ukrainian President Zelensky and how
he went at him and what have you now, Zaliski.
If I remember correctly, you didn't speak too highly of him,
am I. I want to make sure I'm calling you
acting accurately. You called them a homosexual actor?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is that true? Did you call him that?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I also just called him the neighborhood crackhead kind of
just goes around asking for money. I called him a
welfare queen. Ghetto. This is the thing. The media kind
of had me depict it throughout BLM as this person
that uses these words to describe black people. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
Let's be very clear. When I am calling somebody like
Zelensky a welfare queen, there's a reason for that. You
come here with your handout, asking, asking, making demands. It's
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funny because I was having a discussion with my husband
about this, and you know, it's people that tend to
need the most that make these sorts of demands, and
they're so arrogant. He's taken billions away, unaccounted billions, by
the way, So you and I have to get to
work because z Lenski wants his borders protected, and we
can't have our borders protected because that would be a
racist thing to ask for. But he's allowed to demand
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that you and I get to work because he's spent
all the billions. His wife is shopping in Paris, the
oligarchs in Ukraine are all buying yachts, and yeah, I
have absolutely no respect for him, but I want to
say I have not respected that man since day one.
This is not something that's new. I just I just
saw him coming.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's not something that's new.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But what about Trump and Vance and how they conducted themsels.
You and I might disagree on this particular issue because
I don't disagree with what you're saying in terms of
I was on the record saying.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Listen, you come in with your hand out. You need money.
You might you might not want to be confrontation.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You might want to be a bit more diplomatic Zalisky,
because you're the one that's in need. And Trump wasn't
wrong when he said, oh, you don't have any of
the cause. You don't have any of the cause. The
flip side to it, however, is that the press conference
in the Oval Office. We know if this is the
White House, this is it. This isn't some place in Ukraine.
And he's got broken English, and you got as President
interrupted them, you got them. I thought, somewhat bullying him
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to some degree. I just didn't think it was necessary.
It was a good look. That's where I'm coming from.
Am I wrong in feeling that Wayeah?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
No, I think you're perfectly I mean, these are your
feelings they're valid, right, If that's how you felt. For me,
I felt it was refreshing. I'm so tired of politics.
I know they always button it up for us. They're
constantly telling us, oh this, and saying things that sound
good but don't actually result in good things. And I
think it was sort of the frustration of how much
he has taken from America to not come with some respect.
(29:32):
And I likened it too. Even when you go to
your granddad's house and it's your birthday, your mom kind
of makes you wear something special. You know he's gonna
give you a car and slip some cash in there,
one hundred dollars. Granddad's always good for that, and you
just come with some decorum and some respect. This dude
is wearing he's been wearing military fatigues for like five
years now, Okay, put on a suit. As soon as
he gets out of the car. Trump's like, well, he's
(29:52):
drum addressed up. This should let you know. It's just
signals to the public that what he's doing is an act.
Why give me a scenario, a reason why he can't
put on a suit, even if you're in the midst
of a war. Why can't you put on a suit
when you're coming to ask for money. Well, because he
wants people to see him as a guy that's down
trodden in the trenches, and he's not that. This guy
has been on the cover of Vanity Fair, he's been
on the cover of Vogue, He's been on the cover
(30:13):
of Forbes. He's doing photo shoots, he did a three
hour podcast with Lex Friedman. He asked and was declined
a spot to go to the Oscars a couple of
years ago. And so this is making a mockery. It's
just making him put on a suit sew.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
This is why, this is why people gotta be careful
about messing with you, Because I was.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Getting ready to disagree with you until you threw out
those last thing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I didn't know he tried to go to the Oscars.
I didn't know he tried to be on the comfort
for I didn't know that stuff. Candas, I honestly didn't know. Okay,
that does change it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It's a literal actor, by the way. You know that that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I know that, I know that, I know what.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I will say this on any sympathy for the fact
that Russia did attack his nation. I mean that that
there's some sympathy for that, right we see the rubble,
we see the catastrophe that is Ukraine. We've seen Putin
bombing them for crime now and we've seen that happen.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Right, Yeah. So the thing for me is, and the
reason why I say that I've had this opinion since
the very beginning, is I don't rely on politicians. I
think all politicians lie. And so I was reading the
transcripts leading up to this moment of Putin's speeches and
Biden's speeches and trying to discern what the truth was,
and Putin was saying, you guys gave us assurances that
NATO was not going to expand one inch eastward into
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our territory. Essentially, NATO is a military. We were putting
a military on his border. Despite in nineteen eighty nine
when the Berlin Wall came down as a condition an
agreement for them to agree to take down the Berlin Wall,
we promised and you can go look at this in
NSA declassified documents. James Baker was the Secretary of State
(31:42):
at that time. We promised them that we would never
move NATO eastward. So you have to imagine the memory
that they have and they're going, why are you now
doing that?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
All of a sudden, we're saying that Ukraine is going
to join NATO, and he's saying this is unacceptable. America
can't keep changing its mind. When I was able to
validate what he said and to read the speeches, you
cannot walk away from that without an understanding that we
are the aggressors. Everything that we say Russia is doing,
recreating the Soviet Union, we are doing that. What is
the European Union? What is NATO? And we've been getting
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away for it for too long under this guise of
quote unquote spreading democracy. So I fundamentally disagreed with what
I saw as Western propaganda trying to paint Puntin as
a monster for holding us to our promises and not
telling the public that he just ranomly woke up one
day and just said I want you know, I want
to do hood, rest up with my friends, and he
went into Ukraine. That's that's a fairy tale. That's not
(32:36):
what happened. And beyond that, like you saw when he
sat down with Tucker Carlson, he asked to join NATO himself.
Why are we not having a productive relationship? With Russia.
I call that Cold War hangover. People that grew up
under their desks afraid of a nuclear bomb can never
see Russia outside of being villainous. And quite frankly, I
(32:57):
think Zelensky is a suspended election. He's locked down churches,
he's locked up nuns. I'm a Christian. I don't like
this guy at all.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's Canizo is being quite honest. I get that part.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Let me transition to you, specifically to get to the
real reason I wanted you on this podcast. First, Before
I even get into that, I want to ask you.
I know your voice is very, very powerful. For those
of you who don't know, top ten on Spotify, I mean,
you're one of the top podcasters in the nation, if
not the world. I know everybody tries to listen to you,
(33:31):
and they should because.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You are not an idiot.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know what the hell you're talking about, and you
can challenge anybody, and I give you credit for that.
I gotta ask, however, though, leading up to the election,
your voice was far more conspicuous in the past, over
the last several years than it was right before the election.
Am I wrong in saying that? And if I'm writing
saying that.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah, So there were some life changes. Obviously, I was
pretty publicly fired, so there was a lot of things
that I was just doing, trying to start my own
business and to get back onto the airwaves. But going
back to what I said earlier, I have had sort
of a fatigue with politics, you know, I was quite
bored really with the same arguments. I need a little
bit of a challenge, and for me, I just I
(34:14):
like people to argue things honestly. Whatever your opinion is,
it's totally fine, but just let's argue honestly and not
use all the same rhetoric. And so to be this
far into this is like the third time Trump is
running and we're seeing the same thing. Oh, everyone who
supports him is a racist, is sexist. I'm just bored,
you know. And I've always, by the way, been very
passionate about culture, vaccines. I'm also a mom now, so
(34:36):
in the beginning I was married, I had no children.
Now my interests have naturally shifted since becoming a parent,
and so I think people are seeing more sides of me.
And in many ways, I'm growing up publicly and it's
been refreshing, you know, refreshing kind of take people on
the journey and to show people that I'm not just
a Trump supporter, which the media did a very good
(34:58):
job of painting that caricature of me.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You don't think that's an act.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
You don't think that's an a I don't want to
call it a caricature, but you don't think that's an
accurate description of you as being a Trump supporter.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
No, I am a Trump supporter, but I'm not just
a Trump supporter. And I think in the beginning they
kind of made it seem like I was always angry,
always talking bad about black people, which is like any
person that listens to my podcast, white people get it
ten times worse. But the media will only pluck a
clip when I'm speaking about a black issue and then it's, oh,
there she is again saying stuff about black people. They
(35:27):
did a very good job of conditioning I would say,
the public, just via the mainstream media and flashy headlines,
to think that I had, like they call me like
a self hating black person. It was completely wild. It
was out of it was out of control.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, listen, this is the thing, and this is the
thing that gets me in trouble because obviously me being
a black man, b being a centrist sort of center
left as opposed to center right. I've been one that
was inclined to vote Democratic, you know, at least for
the presidency, for the vast majority of my life. If
it was anybody other than Trump, I think I would
have voted a conservative. This time around, I'm sort of
becoming even more enlightened.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I'm going to use that word.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Because I was so disgusted with the left and what
I saw. My patience is run thin at times. And
then I've listened to you over the years and one
of the things that I didn't like is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Will you just describe what people would say about you?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And I'm saying, well, wait a minute, is she wrong?
What is she saying that you disagree? How Come you
can't say you disagree with and make your points as
to why like she does, as opposed to just attacking her.
Which brings me to my next question, what's it like
being a black conservative in America?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Nobody better asked this question than you.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier than it
was when I first got into this back in twenty fifteen,
because people that was the first time they saw Trump
and people just could not see passed. How could this
possibly happen. I think the media had a stronger hold
on people's minds then that it does now. Now we've
seen the explosion of independent media. People are able to
get their voices out outside of the New York Times
(36:58):
and CNN and Fox New and that's helped tremendously to
defeat all of these media caricatures that are being created.
But I find it now it's pioneering to put it
in a nice way, and I think it's the most
rewarding thing ever, when what I have found is that
if you just stand for truth, even in the beginning
when it's really hard and people say terrible things about
(37:19):
you and I've been called everything you could possibly imagine,
then there's that moment, even if it takes years, where
they do come back and they say you were right,
particularly about BLM. I mean, I was hitting the drum
about the finances so early, and I'm going this like,
I'm not saying that you don't have feelings about this thing,
but I am telling you something else is going on
and not this is going to harm the black community.
(37:41):
In the end, this money is just going to be
zapped out of communities, and communities are going to be destroyed.
And then when that was proven right, it was so
refreshing to hear people say, yeah, we kind of hated
her for a really long time. We're kind of saying
this for a really long time. And then you know
the fraud of Patrice's colors and what they were doing
with the money, and so my brain just works differently.
I am different, and I'm happy being different. I don't
(38:02):
want to be the same, but I also do respect.
I think I've learned in the process as well, is
to just respect where people are at. You know, I wasn't.
My sisters did not like where I was at when
I started.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How many How many sisters do you have?
Speaker 6 (38:15):
I have two sisters and they're they're my best friends.
So one is a year older, one's a year younger.
So I grew up. Were like a trio.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
They stand with you, they will gives you, they stand
with you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Huh.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well, they just didn't really care to me. That's Candice.
I've always been different, you know, and they didn't know
what I was on or what I was thinking. And
now this last election they voted for Trump, which is crazy,
like that means they were fully on the left and
they just sort of saw it. And so it's just
been cool to see that and they now like my podcast.
Before they didn't even listen to it, but we always had.
(38:47):
I grew up obviously in a not obviously, but my
families has a great sense of humor. And that was
one of the worst things they hated about BLM is
that I've always thought that black people culturally like we're like,
we're the funniest, We're the funniest. You always want to
go listen to Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, and you saw
that removal where everything was just taken so seriously, were
so easily offended, and I hated that. I thought the
(39:10):
best parts of what the black culture represented to me
growing up was removed. And for me and my sisters,
they never cared. Like I'd be like, can you watch
my cat? I have to go to a Trump thing,
and my sister would be like, oh, are going to
know one of your Klansmen rallies, Like yeah, I'll watch
your cat. You know, it's always a joke.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, And I get it, And I guess for me
because I think about it, and I remember when you
showed up.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I believe it was in Paris.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You were with Kanye West and you were wearing the
White Lives Matters, White Lives Matter shirt and what have you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And I said, damn, And I was upset. I was
actually upset at you.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And here's why, Candae, because I looked at it and
I said, no.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Don't give the ammunition. Don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You can sit up there and you can talk to
folks about your views, what you know, and educate folks
without them being closed minded because they saw something and
visualized something and automatically deemed that you were.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Against us as a people.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So I mean, as you reflect on a moment like
that and you talk about the black community and politics,
how do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
You feel, how do you gauge what's the.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Right thing to do and what's not the right thing
to do?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
You know, for me, the discussion and polite discussion, it
doesn't work. I have found that you can go back
and watch me on stage with TI and Killer Mike,
and it doesn't work with the black community. And I
have a theory on this, and I think partially it's
because we have this instance of father absence, but that
we there's a lot of attitudes. There's a lot of attitudes,
(40:34):
and if you try to come politely, you're just going
to get disrespected. And so in terms of the white
Lives Matter shirt, first off, Kanye, that's how he communicates.
He communicates with art. That's like, this was Kanye's thing
that I was stepping into, but I understood what he
was saying there because he is someone that does not like,
no one puts Kanye in the corner. No one tells
Kanye what he has to be. And so when you
(40:54):
start saying, oh, I'm going to superimpose you just being
a black victim on someone like Kanye West. And know
he hated when white people would come up to him
and say black lives matter. So he's like, Okay, you
want to patronize me, let me patronize you. Your life
matters too, Like oh yeah, like white white lives matter too,
and I want you to know that white lives matter,
your life matters. He never liked that, yeah, the patronization
(41:18):
of it. And so I and I felt the same way,
and we communicate differently. I usually am using more bombastic words,
but that moment to me, especially as someone who grew
up and really Kanye's music kind of gave me the
courage to be myself, to have to be an archetype
of what a black woman should be. It was. It
was a moment for me that I reflect on very fondly.
(41:39):
And yeah, it broke the internet and there it started
a lot of conversations. But imagine if black people were
just like, yeah, every time I saw a white person,
I'm with what your white life matters. It's just there's
something about it. I just don't like. It wasn't from me.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You brought up the use of bombastic words. You used
that with George Floyd as well, who was murdered by.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
A police officer in Minnesota, and obviously a lot of
people in the black community had a real problem with
you as it pertained to that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That brings me to this question, when you take these positions,
does it enter your mind.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't want to use the word vitriol because I
think that's a bit too strong and that's unfair to you,
and I don't want to do that. But when you
consider the fact that so many people in the black
community have voted democratic senis the civil rights legislation in
nineteen sixty four, you remember what Linda B. Johnson said that,
you know, do you pass this legislation and we'll have
the negroes vote for us for the next two hundred years.
Remember that statement. I know, I remember that statement. I'm wondering,
(42:31):
because of your knowledge of politics, your obvious knowledge.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Of the issues, when you speak.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
On these things and you take positions about you take
such positions, particularly if it's antithetical or the antithesis of
what the black community will point to, do you think
about it and do so on purpose? Because dare I
say you're disgusted with us as a community for being
hoodwinked by the Democratic Party in your eyes?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Is that possible?
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So that's a very good question, And disgusted would not
be the right term for it. Frustrated, yes, and constantly
trying to give people the facts so that they understand
that we Lyndon Bange Johnson was an avowed racist and
he hated us, and yet we are doing everything that
he wanted us to do. We are reacting emotionally and
not rationally. We seem to be a stereotype of irrationality. Actually,
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all we have to do is make them feel something
and they won't react. And I want to be clear
it's not just Black Americans. The Me Too movement was
another manifestation of that very you know, that's why I'm
doing with Harvey Weinstein series. But what really does upset
me about the black community is that the manner in
which we defend criminals, you will not find this in
any other community. Okay, so black, white, white person gets
(43:48):
shot killed unarmed. They're not coming out. White people are
not coming out and burning down their own neighborhoods. Right,
they're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Did you see the black community attack me for going
off about oh JB is celebrated.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Did you see that?
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. They've conditioned us to actually
defend the worst in our communities. They just will let
it go. You think Chinese people are gonna run outside
if they're like, well listen, this guy was high on fentanel,
he gotten to brush up with police officers and he died.
Chinese people will be like especially Asian Asian moms are
just dead serious. They'd be like, you idiot, you know,
(44:20):
good for you, So you're an embarrassment. Never come home.
This is how Asian women are. They have a standard.
You think Jewish people are coming outside and gonna you know,
rally around, and you know, they all know that they
think of as like a natural process. We don't want
to associate with that. And we have the exact opposite mindset.
And when I say the exact opposite, I mean also
the reverse of that, being that the most educated and
(44:42):
the most accomplished people in our community in terms of
their intellect, we reject. How can we ever get ahead? Right? Oh, Conda,
Lie's a rice. No, she's a trader. She's an uncle Tom.
Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, He's a trader, He's an
uncle Tom. But doctor Ben Carson, a literal brain surgeon.
Black people will call him stupid, it's crazy. So there's
(45:04):
no way Black America can get ahead with that, With
that backwards mindset where you put you put George Floyd
on a T shirt and you denigrate and disrespect someone
like Clarence Thomas. I'm just not with it. You know,
you got a.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
New platform called Club Canvas, and I'm wondering how important
is you. I know it's you're going to speak your truth.
You have proven that time and Tom and Tom again. Okay,
but in the process of doing so, as you have
this new platform, how important is it for you, if
at all, to reach and resonate with the black community
(45:38):
or to really really provoke change all across the board,
particularly in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
What do you lie with that, yef.
Speaker 6 (45:46):
The number one thing is for me to reach people
who want to hear the truth. And so that comes
in all different shapes and sizes and colors, and our
demographics have really changed or just it's it's very mixed
people all around the world, like I have. Shockingly, I
would say an afrod They absolutely love me. I mean,
like the amount of Nigerian So this is in my
podcast Daily Uganda. So it's not a color thing. It's
(46:07):
important for me to get information out that I don't
think would otherwise be available. So with Club Candace, you know,
I have my vaccine series. I am quote unquote anti
vax don't vaccinate my children, and I want people to
know why. I want people, especially if you want to
talk about something Black Americans should learn about, it's the
vaccine industry. We were targeted, you know what was sent
over to Africa to experiment and make people infertile. Hispanic women,
(46:30):
Native Americans and Black Americans were experiments to on and
this is the stuff that matters. And so also obviously
the book club to introduce them to the books that
I read outside of the school system that kind of
helped forge a lot of my opinions, a lot of
my political opinions. And so that's really fun that we
meet every two weeks. And so if you're just getting
kind of whatever goes on in this headquarters of crazy,
(46:54):
it's all happening at club Candice.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Make them a sandwich. Why real women don't need fake feminism?
Explain that title, please.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
We just need to destroy the feminist movement. It's just
so toxic. And I think that on the heels of
Kamala's loss. And you know this, women are unhappy because
they're being told to compete with men. We are not
like men. We are not built like men biologically, mentally, physically,
we are just not men. And the idea that to
be equal in society I have to have the same
aspirations as a man is going to be something that
(47:24):
makes women chronically unhappy, which is what we're dealing with
today and learning the real history of feminism. And I'm
mimicking Gloria Stein. I'm a famed photo of her who
was actually, a CIA operative will wake people up to
the fact that these decisions that you're being that are
being told to you of Like, yes, feminist movement was amazing.
Was the CIA looking for a way to tax household
(47:44):
wholesold household two ways? And it has not led to
the enriching of the household. It has not led to
the enriching of our life experiences. And the biggest joys
in my life are being able to be at home
with my children and my husband. And I'm just tired
of being told that that makes me somehow backwards. We
got to defend men.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, I did go Hey, listen, I'm not complete. I'm
not complully about that a little bit. Al right. You
recently interviewed.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein from prison. Why did you
want to talk to him and what was the most
surprising thing you got from it.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
I have been a hater of the me two movements
in Stay one even before I had sons and now
I have three. I knew that we need due process
and watching men lose their entire lives on the basis
of an allegation, and I could have literally ruined your
life step and I could have been like he touched
my hand at that Knixt game and I remember this
and cro you've been done, canceled over forever. And that's wrong, okay,
(48:40):
because women lie, men lie, women lie, facts don't lie,
and we need due process. And so the Harvey Weinstee case,
someone brought it to me and said, take a look
at it. And I actually thought he was guilty when
I first got on the phone with him in prison
and were totally on different sides of the political spectrum.
But a friend had reached out and said, I think
you'll be the only person that will actually take a
look at this and tell the truth truth. And I've
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just always been committed to tell the truth, and it
is my belief. And I think that once I show
the public the facts of this case, that Harvey Weinstein
was wrongfully convicted, and his case just got overturned in
New York as it should have, and now it's being
sent back down in the appellate courts. He got so
it's got to be retried, and I just want the
We got to go back to the beginning. We got
to put this genie back into the bottle and back
(49:21):
into the me too bottle, and it all begins with
Harvey Weinstein, and so I'm really excited about bringing that
series for it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Got you before I let you get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
You know, my producers and my issue mispronounced Kamala Harris's
name twice. I want to make sure you didn't do
that on purpose.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
No, I just don't know how. What is it? Is
Itama or Kamala?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Kamala hass that's what I said.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
I said Kamala this right.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm just well, don't worry about it. It's okay, it's
all right. You said Kamala, but don't worry about it.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
In turns of me, She's not an issue.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I got you listen, I know you got to go.
Thank you for your time. I just want to say
one thing to you. I've interviewed a lot of liberals
on this show. I'm telling the conservatives they're welcome on
the show too.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
If I'm wrong, correctly right, agree with me.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
I have no I'm not in this game, contrary to
what they've been writing about it. I like being fair
minded and giving everybody an equal platform to express themselves.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
And I appreciate you taking the time to come on
the show.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
I really thank you for it, and you're welcome back
on the show anytime.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
I would love to come back. Like I said, this
feels so full circle to me, from the High five
to this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Works for me.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You take care of yourself all the best. I want
to get in to what we just heard from Kendas Horns. Okay,
be clear, I'm fully aware. You heard her comment it's
about Kanye. You heard her answering my question. You heard
the way she answered my question about George Floyd. The
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primary reason I wanted her on this show was because
I was curious as to how she felt as a
black conservative, particularly as it pertained to black people, because
of the trial that I've seen aimed in her direction.
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Are there times where I feel that she's a bit abrasive?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Are there times that I feel she's that way unnecessarily so. Yeah,
even she acknowledged she just don't have time, the mother three,
expecting a fourth kid, preoccupied with a lot of things
that occupy ourselves in life, and she don't have patience
and tolerance for nonsense and games.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's how she feels. Everybody has their.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Feelings we have a right to disagree, and again, when
we have a lengthier discussion, I will most certainly be
a bit more probing and challenging. This wasn't the time
for that, my first time meeting her, my first time
talking to her. I wanted to hear what she had
to say, and I wanted to hear the perspective that
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she provided to the masters out there, and how unapologetic
she is in doing so. I got that, and I
appreciate it, because here's what I want everybody to understand,
and I want us to understand that we'll never get
far until we learn to do this, no matter what
our emotional state of mind is, no matter how turned
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off we might be over the things that people say
and a matter in.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Which they say it. Yes it's true. Every truth ain't
meant to be heard. Yes it's true.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Sometimes it is about the way you say something instead
of what you're just saying.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
But far more often than not, the truth is supposed
to usurp everything.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
And when that young lady speaks, don't even think about
challenging her intelligence. Don't even think about challenging her ability
to articulate her point of view. You better know what
the hell you're talking about when you come at her.
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That's what I take away just as much as anything else.
I can't wait until she and I sit face to
face one day.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
And volley back and.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Forth about what we feel, what we believe, what we
stand for, and why. Because I'm certainly different than her
when it comes to some political positions she has taken
and beyond.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
There is no doubt about that. But I can't deny.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
She's sharp as attack, and you damn well better be
if you're gonna come for her, because ladies and gentlemen
like it or not. Candice Owens, She's not going anywhere, even.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
When you thought she was gone.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
She's around number eight on Spotify's list of podcasts and
climbing and she's in her thirties.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
She's not going away. No matter what summer you want,
She's not going away. Deal with that.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
If not, I get the impression she will make you
before we go. I want to mention that President Donald
Trump will deliver an address tonight in prime time to
the House and Senate lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The speech
will resemble something like a State of the Union address. Meanwhile,
Democrats today have gone out of their way to post
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messages on social media about the current Trump administration and
what's happening to American lives. The problem is they're all
literally saying the same damn thing. Don't believe me. Check
it out night when I will immediately bring prices down
starting on day watch.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
That ain't true.
Speaker 6 (54:55):
That's what you just heard since day one of Donald
Trump's presidency.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Getting worse. Get the prices now.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
You see why Stephen A. Smith was in the polls
as a presidential kennidate. See what I'm talking about. You
see that idiocy right there. You talk about something people
being tone deaf. Why the hell would twenty two Democratic
senators be literally echoing the same thing and think that
would resonate with the American people. All it shows is
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that the same fabric of our democracy is unchanging in
the eyes of some of these officials and as a result,
the constituency the represents, which is.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Why Donald Trump is in office. What do I have
to come up to Capitol Hill and give you lessons?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Seriously, you don't get it.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh you did, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Chuck Schumer, Let's all.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Get together, Let's put.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
This in a prompter and all together all being in
separate rules. We'll grab a microphone and say the same
damn thing, and that's what's going to.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Resonate with the American people. And then you wonder why
you're no longer in power. You wonder why Trump is
in the White House. You wonder why a vice president
like jd. Vance has the authority to spew in the
direction of the president of another nation. Don't you get
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what I've been telling you, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I'm what is read? Follow me the camera, follow me,
let me give it to you.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
I'm gonna use the saying from my old buddy God
rest is soul, Joe.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Madison, the Black Eagle. I'm gonna put it with a
goats can get it.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Please forgive me because I'm going to cuss here only
for the purposes of accentuating a point about Donald Trump.
Chuck Schumann, A typical politicians are inflation is high. All
look at the look a look at them pointing the
fingers at the migrants. All.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Look at them blaming immigration.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
They don't care about you all, by the way, look
at they don't care about that. Why would you bother
people from the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Why you would you bother folks with transgender and all that?
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
That is what the Democrats say.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
That's what most politicians would say.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Here's Trump. They're pieces of shit. They don't give a
shit about you. It's rigged.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
They've hood weet you all the time. They think you're
a freaking joke. They give you the middle finger anytime
they want to.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Here's Trump. Fuck them. They ain't worth shit. And do
you know what his followers say.
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's how we want you talking to those
politicians who's been.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Stealing our money all of these years.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's not what he says, it's how he says it.
Speaker 8 (58:23):
He does it with vitriol and venom to show a
disrespect to politicians who the public have no respect for
because they feel they've been hoodwinked.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
By those same politicians.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
He's using it to separate himself from the cesspool that
is Capitol Hill.
Speaker 5 (58:43):
And how does Capitol Hill respond by showing.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Them they're still Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Did you see me on the View Tuesday afternoon? Did
you see when they said we don't believe there's a
Trump mandate?
Speaker 7 (58:59):
I said, did you see the former Press secretary for
the White House.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Come on, I think Steven Ay is wrong. I don't
believe what he said is correct.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Donald Trump has the lowest approval ratings in the first
month or so or the two moths of a presidency
in American history.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Oh really, But then he went all the swing states.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Did it his popularity elevate within eighty nine percent of
the counties in the United States of America? Did it
his popularity elevate within the black community, the Hispanic community,
and the young voters. Didn't he win the popular vote
for the first time in twenty years as a Republican nominee.
Speaker 7 (59:44):
Didn't he also win the Electoral College vote. Isn't he
in control of the White House? Don't the Republicans have
the House and the Senate? All of that happened, but
there's no Trump mandate.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
You see the bullshit? Is it bullshit?
Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
Or is it just that the Democrats are so damn
lost that they're actually going to convince themselves they can
do the same old, same old and still regain power.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Both in the midterms and in the twenty twenty eight election.
I'm here to tell you that's not gonna happen because
Trump has the power now, and he's manipulating the proceedings.
And in case you didn't notice, one of his top boys,
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Elon Musk Doge owns X. Who else was at the inauguration?
Jeff Bezos the man running TikTok, and lord knows who else.
And then you got folks like Candace Owens, who's a
Trump supporter, on with various others with their microphones, their
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cameras and their audience. If you think the Liberals are
overcoming that you go ahead and watch humor and those
twenty two U one other senators talk their drivel jd Vance,
l Marco Ruby or somebody would be the next president
in twenty twenty eight. You'll have nobody but yourself to blame.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
As if for this edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show,
I ain't got time to talk to this about this anymore.
Hope you all enjoy cameras owns she'll be back til then.
He's in love with Ma
Kyrie's down for the rest of the season. What does
that mean for the Western Conference?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Jay z is on the warpath? What the hell am
I talking about?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
And in case you did it, no, you might need
a seat belt when you consider who I'm about to
talk to today.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
You've heard the name Candice Owens, right, she sogned now
to say the least she always got son to say,
and that ain't changed here on The Stephen A. Smith Show.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Let us pray, Let us pray.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Welcome to the latest edition of The Stephen A. Smith Show,
coming at you over the digital airways or YouTube and
of course iHeartRadio. Thanks again to all my subscribers and
followers out there. Courtesy of iHeartRadio, millions of downloads have
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over YouTube we've now eclipsed over one point one million subscribers.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Can't thank y'all for the love and support enough.
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As always, I say that, I will always continue to
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If you're wondering what the name of my production company is,
that's where I got it from.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Straight Shooter, Straight Shooter Production, straight Shooter Media.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's where I got it from. The title of my book.
Got a lot to get into today. Candice Owens will
be on in a few minutes. I got my seat
belt on, y'all. I got my seat belt on.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
But before we get to her, let's get start arted.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
In the National Basketball Association, with the headlines have gone
from bad to worse for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Last night, Kyrie Irvin suffered.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
A left knee injury as he was fouled while driving
to the basket against the Sacramento Kings. Replays show his
knee appeared to hype and extend on the play, and scans.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Today revealed that Kyrie Irvin.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Suffered a season ending torn ACL Kyrie was helped to
the free throw line, where he sank both free throws
with tears.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Streaming down his face.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
The nine time All Star was averaging nearly twenty five
points per game and has become Dallas's primary outside shooting
threat following the trade of superstar Luca Dungeic to the
Los Angeles Lakers. So far, the trade has not worked
out for the Mavericks, as Anthony Davis went down with
an abductor strain in just his first game with the team.
All this while the team just announced the plans to
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raise prices for season ticket holders.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
First Nicks, First, let me.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Say this about Kyrie Irvin. Kyrie Irvin and I have
had our differences in the past years ago, particularly with
COVID going on some of the situations that he's gotten
himself into. I've never been shah however, of acknowledging what
an absolutely fantastic and phenomenal basketball player that he is
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and at his core, he is a really, really good
and decent person. We don't wish this on anybody, but
especially somebody being this spectacular talent and show stopper that
he is, and so I wish him nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
He's a good brother.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
We've even had differences in the past where it involved
his daddy, and I've gotten to know his daddy, and
now he and I get along and we talk a lot.
We don't talk a lot, I shouldn't say that, but
we talk frequently enough.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
He's a good man. Getting to know him.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Knowing what we've seen from Kyrie Irving, we wish him
nothing but the best. My prayers are with you, brother,
for a full health and healthy recovery. The game needs you,
It needs you, your magnificence, it needs your greatness on display.
So I sincerely hope you come back from this devastating injury.
If anybody can do it, you can do it, and
you will do it. And just know that I'm ruined
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for you, bro, and I wish you nothing but the best.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Transitioning to.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
The President of Basketball Operations, general manager for the Dallas Mavericks.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
To want to know only Nico Harrison. It can't get
much worse. I have.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Nothing but the best wishes for this guy as well.
Nico Harrison was an executive for Nike for nineteen years.
He's worked with Michael Jordan, He's worked with Lebron James.
He was very very tight with Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant
not only loved Nico Harrison, he trusted him. And I
know what Nico Harrison and what kind of situation he's
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put himself in because to be the man running basketball
operations for the Dallas Mavericks to just a month ago,
having traded a twenty five year old superstar in the
game of basketball with a career averager twenty eight points
per game. It was a global iconic basketball figure to
trade him away for somebody six years older, and Anthony Davis.
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And then Anthony Davis goes down his very first game
as a Dallas Maverage. He had twenty six points and
thirteen rebounds in his first game in Dallas before going
down in the third quarter with the abductor strain. And
now here it is where Kyrie goes down to fall
and ten and purposes. The Dallas Mavericks season ended last
night the second Kyrie Ever went down.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's over. They're not gonna win any kind of championship
this year. Let's get that out the way right now.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It's not going to happen, and right now, if you
are Nico Harrison, who is receiving death threats, hate mil
and beyond since pulling the trigger on that trade for
Luka dunic you can't imagine how bad things are for
him right now in the city of Dallas, because Luca
is still playing in LA and the Los Angeles Lakers
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has ascended to a number two seed within the Western
Conference and they're in position to compete legitimately for a
shot at the crown. They're a championship contender as we speak.
It can't get any worse for Niko Harrison. Could you
imagine how bad it's going to be if the Lakers
actually end up winning the West and go to the
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finals and Niko is playing and Anthony Davis and Kyrie
Irvn are home and both are home due to injuries.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Remember Kyrie Irvn goes out with.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
An injury, But that's who you were placing the ball
in the hands of for the franchise. Anthony Davis goes
down with an injury, He's the guy you traded Luka
Dancich for. Those are the cornerstones in your franchise for
the foreseeable future, and both of them are down with injuries.
Anthony Davis expected to come back, Kyrie Irving obviously not.
Can't get much worse for Niko Harrison, can't get much worse.
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What I would ask the folks to do is be
a bit patient. Let's look forward to next season and
let's see what Kyrie Irvin and Luca I'm sorry, Kyrie
Irving and ad will be like together if they're healthy.
And oh, by the way, Kyrie Irving has a player
option for next year. He was looking for a long
term deal. Kyrie Irving was on the verge of signing
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for over two hundred and fifty million dollars. This is
the same Kyrie Irving that lost out on a lot
of his money because of some of the incidences public
relations nightmares that he got into.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
He got he got himself into.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
So who knows whether or not this is going to
compromise his money, Because if you're Dallas, you want to
give it to Kyrie Irving a player, you just don't
know how healthy he's going.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
To be.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Once he gets back, and you really don't want to
make that kind of commitment until you know for sure. Dallas,
with championship aspirations in the palm of their hands, eviscerated
before our very eyes in a matter of weeks. Let
me transition to the world of entertainment, where Sean Carter,
known as jay Z himself, continues his full throat at
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defense of the sexual assault allegations leveled against him levied
against them. Attorneys for jay Z five defamation suit yesterday
against the Alabama woman who claimed, Okay he raped her
when she was thirteen years of age in a sense
withdrawn civil lawsuit. Carter's lawsuit said the woman identified as
Jane Doe timed her claim to quote inflict maximum pain
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and suffering on mister Carter end quote. The lawsuit also
named the woman's attorneys, Tony Busby and David Fortney, whom
jay Z alleged were quote soullessly motivated by greed, in
abject disregard of the truth and the most fundamental precepts.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Of human decency end quote.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
As for Busby, he is his response to the allegations
levied against him by jay Z.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Quote.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Sean Carter's investigators have repeatedly harassed, threatened, and harangued this
poor woman for weeks, trying to intimidate her and make
her recan to her story she has it and won't. Instead,
she has stated repeatedly she stands by her claims. These
same group of investigators have been caught on tape offering
to pay people to sue me and my firm. After
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speaking with Jane Doe today, it's clear to me that
the quotes attributed to her and the lawsuit are completely
made up or they spoke to someone who isn't Jane Doe.
This is just another attempt to intimidate and bully this
poor woman that we will deal with and do. Course,
we won't be bullied or intimidated by frivolous cases.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
It's not frivolous, mister Busby, respectfully, it's not frivolous. It's
not frivolous. A man was accused of being an adult
and having raped a thirteen year old.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
That's not frivolous.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And so most people will just move on with their
life and live their best life. It's a very very
difficult thing to do when it comes to jay Z,
cause he's in the public eye and he proclaims adamantly
his innocence. I've already told y'all I never believed he
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was guilty of such a thing. The man that I've
known for twenty five years would never do such a thing.
I couldn't imagine that. But I wasn't an eyewitness account
to the affairs or anything like that. So I don't know,
but I know what I believed in the case of
jay Z. However, if you are an individual that is
innocent of such allegations, I don't blame you one bit
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for reigning terror upon anybody who went about the business
of accusing you of something. If indeed you are innocent,
say this much about jay Z. He is certainly conducting
himself like an innocent man. Case was dropped, he can
fade away. He ain't fading away. He talked about how
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he was his business was course twenty million dollars. He's
he's keeping this story in the limelight. Why because he's
making the case I was wrongfully accused of the most
heinous thing that I could possibly fathom. And I'm not
sitting oddly by and going for that. I told y'all
weeks ago when I talked about this matter with jay Z.
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I said this to y'all weeks ago. I've been in
the presence of jay Z on many many occasions over
the years. I've seen him when he's been around.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Kids and folks with the foulest of mouths, talking the
way fellas can talk when they get around with another white, black,
Hispanic and beyond.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
I've seen jay Z like yo yo yo kids are around.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Everybody can have their opinions based on accusations, but if
the fact is incriminating as the accusations are, if the
facts don't match, especially if somebody comes at you, I
don't blame people for being quiet and letting it fade.
But I also don't blame folks for creating hell and
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fury and going after anybody who dared to accuse them
of such a thing. I don't mind jay Z doing
this at all, mister Busby in his firm. Beware, he's
not going away that much I will say about jay Z.
I don't think he's going away coming up. She's black,
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and she's a far right commentator.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Who is as outspoken as they come.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And our latest cup said is trying to get Harvey
Weinstein exonerated. Who else could I be talking about other
than the one and only Candice Owns.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like I told you, get your popcorn ready.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
And buckle that seatbelt. She's coming on in a few
minutes with your boy stephen A. Don't go away all right, Everybody,
listen up with all the big time sports action that's
happening each and.
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Welcome back to the Stephen Nate Smith Show yesterday, I
had the opportunity to speak with the one and only
Candae Owens. For those of you who don't know, she's
a far right to pundit who's not afraid to speak
a mind on a variety of topics, even if her
stance is controversial. She's an African American with conservative views.
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They usually don't sit well with a whole lot of people,
and I want to talk about that before we play
this interview. See on this show. One of the things
that have been transpiring over the last weeks and months
is that we've seen a lot of liberals come on
to this show. We've seen Eric Adams, the Man of
(14:51):
New York, on this show. We've seen Minority Leader in
the House, the one and only Hakeem Jeffries, successor to
Nancy Pelosi. You just saw me interview former New York
governor candidate for the mayor seed of New York, mister
(15:12):
Andrew Cuomo. You've seen Chris Cuomo on this show on
many occasions.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Bill o'riley's been on this show.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Byron Donald, representative out of the state of Florida, He's
been on this show. But when you see these folks,
and let me not forget Wes Moore, the governor of Maryland.
He's also been on this show. A lot of times.
People forget some of those guys, they remember others. Josh
Shapiro has been on this show, Governor of Pennsylvania. And
(15:43):
from what I'm being told, there's a whole bunch of
people on Capitol Hill that want to end up on
this show, and I'm honored to have them all. I
say all of that to say on this show, this platform.
I pride myself on being fair minded. I'm not in
a fe shonado when it comes to politics. I'm just
a conscientious observer. I read the news, I watch stuff
(16:05):
on television. I see what I see. I wonder about
what's going on based on the facts that are disseminated
to us. I'm able to deduce balls and strikes and
how to call it, and I go from there. With
some people, that's not good enough, my response is you're
going to have to get over it. I'm not here
to be friends, not here to make enemies either, but
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I am here to be fair, and part of fairness
is letting people speak and giving them an opportunity to
express their views. Even when I don't agree with them.
In the case of Candace Owens, we're gonna do that.
I got off for twenty five minutes. She's already promised
that she's coming back on and we're gonna have a
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more lengthier discussion about all the things that entails Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
What makes her who she is. But why would I
be interested in talking to her?
Speaker 1 (16:59):
It's not just because she's opposite to say, somebody like
a Roland Martin or an Arreva Martin, who have been analysts,
left wing analysts, I might add that have blessed.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Me with their presence on this show.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But it's also to pique my curiosity and it edify
me to some degree. You see, when I think about
blacks who are conservatives, I see a guy like Officer
Tatum out there. I want to meet that man. I
want to talk to that man in terms of black conservatives,
like an Officer Tatum, like a Canvas Owned, and various others.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
They piqued my interest. Do you know why? Because they
deviate from the norm. You see, when people make an argument.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Against the Black community and they say that we're monolithic
and our thinking.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't like that. When they say that eighty after
ninety percent of.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
The people in a black community are gonna vote democratically.
Data has always unnerved me for a few reasons. Number one,
I remember when Linda B. Johnson was quoted as saying,
before nineteen sixty four civil rights legislation was placed in
the law, put this through, Push this legislation through.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It will have the negroes vote for us for the
next two hundred years.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
And I think about how divided society can be, how
divided communities can be. You can be Hispanic, you could
be Dominican, you could be Cuban, you could be Guatemala,
you could be Venezuelan.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
You could be Puerto Rican, you could be Mexican.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It doesn't matter. You can't go to all of them
and say, oh, excuse me.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
We got their vote. You can't take them for granted.
Speaker 5 (18:42):
You can't go to white too, are Catholics, white to
are Jewish and say oh, we.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Got their vote.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
You can't go to the Asian community and say, oh,
we got their vote.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
We got that a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But somehow, some way you could say that about us. So,
on one hand, we have a party which is a
democratic party, which at least some people in the black
community believe has taken us for granted because they know
they got our vote. And then you got folks on
the side of the Conservatives who's saying, there's no way
in hell we gonna get the black vote, so why
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worry about them? And as a result, we end up
being a disenfranchised community.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
That's the argument we were making before this past election. Back
eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Nine years ago, Trump looked at America black American in particular,
and said, what do.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You have to lose? Fast forward to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
He didn't have to say that, because we saw a
Democratic Party leaning significantly to the progressive left with the
rhetoric they were spewing, and it cost them an election.
How do we know that Trump won all the swing states,
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His popularity increased within the eighty nine percent of the
counties in the United States of America, His popularity increased
within the Black community, within the Hispanic community, and with
young voters. And for the first time in twenty years,
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a Republican won the popular vote, not just the electoral
college vote. Sometimes that should give you cause to pause
and to stand up and pay attention and no, wonder.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
What's the other side thinking. Rather than challenge them on every.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Single thing they think, feel, and spell, step back, simply
ask the question and listen to what they have to say,
knowing there's another day to get into a whole bunch
of other stuff.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
That's what I decided to do with Candice Owens. Say
what you will about her.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
She's smart as a whip, highly intelligent, very articulate, and
doesn't play. There will be times in the future where
hopefully she and I can get together and butt heads
over one issue or another, but this interview wasn't the
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time for that. It was my first time ever meeting
her and speaking to her to my knowledge, and I
simply wanted to ask some questions out of curiosity, to
get her response, and let that response be heard to
the masses, no judgment, no pushback. There would be another
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time for that, not this interview now. With only twenty
five minutes with her, I just wanted to hear how
she would answer certain questions before I revisit those issues
and many more with her later. She promised to come back,
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and I'm thankful for that. For now, Let's just listen
in here what she has to say. Your boy, Stephen A.
Smith with the one and Only Candice Horns.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Take a look now.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I want to start off by saying, I am not
responsible for any comments that are about to be made.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I'm just interviewing.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I'm just listening and hearing from the other side, per Se.
Buckle up with the seat belt for this one, because
my next guest is considered a controversial figure known for
her provocative statements and conservative views. She's built a successful
media brand, which includes a popular podcast and a new
book called Make Them a Sandwich Why Real.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Women Don't Need Fake Feminism.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Despite facing criticism and controversy, she remains unapologetic and continues
to push boundaries with her content and her opinions. Please
welcome to The stephen A Smith Show, The One and
Only Candace Owens.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Candace, how are you? Pleasure to meet you? How's everything?
Speaker 6 (23:13):
It is great and I'm actually so excited. I kept
this from your producer because it's too good for me
not to have told you as we're running live, because
this is a full circle moment. But I've actually met
you before.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Okay, and my ex.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
Boyfriend many years ago was a huge stephen A Smith.
So we watched you and Skip every single morning and
then we went to a Knicks game and he was like,
do you think you can get hand get him to
give you a handshake? And you were coming in under
into like after the game had ended. You were obviously
in the front. We were not that close, and I
was like, Stephen I Smith, Stephen I Smith, please please
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shake my hand. And then he caught it on camera
and then you gave me a high five, and it
basically made it made our whole life.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Just so you know, well, listen, I'm glad we have
a farm memory together. But it's a pleasure to meeting you.
And just for the record, you are now in enemy territory.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
So I've got a lot of questions to ask you.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But before I even get into all of that, I
hear congratulations as an order mother of three expecting a
fourth child.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is that true?
Speaker 6 (24:10):
That is correct? Eight more weeks to go here, So
it's just a factory over here. And thank you very much.
It's a blessing.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Absolutely congratulations to you and you and you and your
hubby and your family and everything like that. Wishing you
nothing but the best. Let's get right to it, Candice.
First things first, you know, when you saw the election results,
take fold and you saw Donald Trump win the election,
popular vote, electoral college.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Vote, et cetera, et cetera. What were the.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Thoughts that ran through your mind when you saw the
results transpiring?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
You know, I think that the first thing I thought
was that old school expression, it's the economy stupid. You know,
We've done a lot and everyone's screaming at each other
all the time. There's been all these social movements and
key versus her and black versus white, But at the
end of the day, people just weren't living well on
the Biden regime. I call it a regime, but it
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gets down to how was I living? What were the
gas prices? How expensive are groceries? Are you willing to
try something different? And I think genuinely, there's a fatigue
that is setting in, that has set in, that was
beginning to sort of percolate of people that are just
exhausted with being angry, you know what I mean, Like
the media constantly selling this guy's, this guy's, that, she's this,
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she's that. I think we're all just tired and that's
kind of a good thing.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Do you believe that Donald Trump won.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
The election or that the progressive left and their thought
processed their policy, some of the things that they were spewing.
It was more product of them losing. That's what I've
been saying. It wasn't about him winning. It was about
America saying, nah, he's closer to normal than what the
hell we're hearing over here.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
We don't like this, and that's what transpires. What do
you think it was?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
You are completely on the money with that. It was
really more that the left lost, and it was a weird.
It was very strange to watch Kamala run. I will
say that because she really only ran for one hundred days, right,
Trump had been running throughout four years, basically kind of
upset about the loss in twenty twenty, and she kind
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of just comes in and it's almost like a coronation,
which I think was disrespectful to the left leading voter base,
Like it was just well, he has kind of said
he's knighted me, and therefore I am the person that
you should be electing. And she didn't really work for it,
and rather was I think quite accusatory. If you don't
elect her, it's because you have an issue with women.
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I don't think Obama's speech to the brothers, the quote
unquote brothers helped him any he's he's been gone. He's
in Martha's vineyard, living in a house god knows how
much it costs, not something I could afford. And stead
he kind of reappears to sort of lecture the brothers
about their responsibility. And I just don't think it's sat
well this time around, just a different time, a different audience,
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and people kind of realizing, Hey, that's not really enough.
Paint me a vision, tell me what you're actually going
to do for me. Don't tell me that it's just
simply my responsibility to give this woman votes because she's
a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know, I want to transition to Trump back to
Trump in this regard. I just we just saw it.
That world just saw it.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Wasn't a press conference or anything like that. I don't
call it that him with Ukrainian President Zelensky and how
he went at him and what have you now, Zaliski.
If I remember correctly, you didn't speak too highly of him,
am I. I want to make sure I'm calling you
acting accurately. You called them a homosexual actor?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Is that true? Did you call him that?
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I also just called him the neighborhood crackhead kind of
just goes around asking for money. I called him a
welfare queen. Ghetto. This is the thing. The media kind
of had me depict it throughout BLM as this person
that uses these words to describe black people. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
Let's be very clear. When I am calling somebody like
Zelensky a welfare queen, there's a reason for that. You
come here with your handout, asking, asking, making demands. It's
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funny because I was having a discussion with my husband
about this, and you know, it's people that tend to
need the most that make these sorts of demands, and
they're so arrogant. He's taken billions away, unaccounted billions, by
the way, So you and I have to get to
work because z Lenski wants his borders protected, and we
can't have our borders protected because that would be a
racist thing to ask for. But he's allowed to demand
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that you and I get to work because he's spent
all the billions. His wife is shopping in Paris, the
oligarchs in Ukraine are all buying yachts, and yeah, I
have absolutely no respect for him, but I want to
say I have not respected that man since day one.
This is not something that's new. I just I just
saw him coming.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
It's not something that's new.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
But what about Trump and Vance and how they conducted themsels.
You and I might disagree on this particular issue because
I don't disagree with what you're saying in terms of
I was on the record saying.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Listen, you come in with your hand out. You need money.
You might you might not want to be confrontation.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You might want to be a bit more diplomatic Zalisky,
because you're the one that's in need. And Trump wasn't
wrong when he said, oh, you don't have any of
the cause. You don't have any of the cause. The
flip side to it, however, is that the press conference
in the Oval Office. We know if this is the
White House, this is it. This isn't some place in Ukraine.
And he's got broken English, and you got as President
interrupted them, you got them. I thought, somewhat bullying him
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to some degree. I just didn't think it was necessary.
It was a good look. That's where I'm coming from.
Am I wrong in feeling that Wayeah?
Speaker 6 (29:10):
No, I think you're perfectly I mean, these are your
feelings they're valid, right, If that's how you felt. For me,
I felt it was refreshing. I'm so tired of politics.
I know they always button it up for us. They're
constantly telling us, oh this, and saying things that sound
good but don't actually result in good things. And I
think it was sort of the frustration of how much
he has taken from America to not come with some respect.
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And I likened it too. Even when you go to
your granddad's house and it's your birthday, your mom kind
of makes you wear something special. You know he's gonna
give you a car and slip some cash in there,
one hundred dollars. Granddad's always good for that, and you
just come with some decorum and some respect. This dude
is wearing he's been wearing military fatigues for like five
years now, Okay, put on a suit. As soon as
he gets out of the car. Trump's like, well, he's
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drum addressed up. This should let you know. It's just
signals to the public that what he's doing is an act.
Why give me a scenario, a reason why he can't
put on a suit, even if you're in the midst
of a war. Why can't you put on a suit
when you're coming to ask for money. Well, because he
wants people to see him as a guy that's down
trodden in the trenches, and he's not that. This guy
has been on the cover of Vanity Fair, he's been
on the cover of Vogue, He's been on the cover
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of Forbes. He's doing photo shoots, he did a three
hour podcast with Lex Friedman. He asked and was declined
a spot to go to the Oscars a couple of
years ago. And so this is making a mockery. It's
just making him put on a suit sew.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
This is why, this is why people gotta be careful
about messing with you, Because I was.
Speaker 7 (30:30):
Getting ready to disagree with you until you threw out
those last thing.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
I didn't know he tried to go to the Oscars.
I didn't know he tried to be on the comfort
for I didn't know that stuff. Candas, I honestly didn't know. Okay,
that does change it.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:43):
It's a literal actor, by the way. You know that that.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
I know that, I know that, I know what.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
I will say this on any sympathy for the fact
that Russia did attack his nation. I mean that that
there's some sympathy for that, right we see the rubble,
we see the catastrophe that is Ukraine. We've seen Putin
bombing them for crime now and we've seen that happen.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
Right, Yeah. So the thing for me is, and the
reason why I say that I've had this opinion since
the very beginning, is I don't rely on politicians. I
think all politicians lie. And so I was reading the
transcripts leading up to this moment of Putin's speeches and
Biden's speeches and trying to discern what the truth was,
and Putin was saying, you guys gave us assurances that
NATO was not going to expand one inch eastward into
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our territory. Essentially, NATO is a military. We were putting
a military on his border. Despite in nineteen eighty nine
when the Berlin Wall came down as a condition an
agreement for them to agree to take down the Berlin Wall,
we promised and you can go look at this in
NSA declassified documents. James Baker was the Secretary of State
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at that time. We promised them that we would never
move NATO eastward. So you have to imagine the memory
that they have and they're going, why are you now
doing that?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now?
Speaker 6 (31:52):
All of a sudden, we're saying that Ukraine is going
to join NATO, and he's saying this is unacceptable. America
can't keep changing its mind. When I was able to
validate what he said and to read the speeches, you
cannot walk away from that without an understanding that we
are the aggressors. Everything that we say Russia is doing,
recreating the Soviet Union, we are doing that. What is
the European Union? What is NATO? And we've been getting
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away for it for too long under this guise of
quote unquote spreading democracy. So I fundamentally disagreed with what
I saw as Western propaganda trying to paint Puntin as
a monster for holding us to our promises and not
telling the public that he just ranomly woke up one
day and just said I want you know, I want
to do hood, rest up with my friends, and he
went into Ukraine. That's that's a fairy tale. That's not
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what happened. And beyond that, like you saw when he
sat down with Tucker Carlson, he asked to join NATO himself.
Why are we not having a productive relationship? With Russia.
I call that Cold War hangover. People that grew up
under their desks afraid of a nuclear bomb can never
see Russia outside of being villainous. And quite frankly, I
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think Zelensky is a suspended election. He's locked down churches,
he's locked up nuns. I'm a Christian. I don't like
this guy at all.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's Canizo is being quite honest. I get that part.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Let me transition to you, specifically to get to the
real reason I wanted you on this podcast. First, Before
I even get into that, I want to ask you.
I know your voice is very, very powerful. For those
of you who don't know, top ten on Spotify, I mean,
you're one of the top podcasters in the nation, if
not the world. I know everybody tries to listen to you,
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and they should because.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
You are not an idiot.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know what the hell you're talking about, and you
can challenge anybody, and I give you credit for that.
I gotta ask, however, though, leading up to the election,
your voice was far more conspicuous in the past, over
the last several years than it was right before the election.
Am I wrong in saying that? And if I'm writing
saying that.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Why was that?
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Yeah, So there were some life changes. Obviously, I was
pretty publicly fired, so there was a lot of things
that I was just doing, trying to start my own
business and to get back onto the airwaves. But going
back to what I said earlier, I have had sort
of a fatigue with politics, you know, I was quite
bored really with the same arguments. I need a little
bit of a challenge, and for me, I just I
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like people to argue things honestly. Whatever your opinion is,
it's totally fine, but just let's argue honestly and not
use all the same rhetoric. And so to be this
far into this is like the third time Trump is
running and we're seeing the same thing. Oh, everyone who
supports him is a racist, is sexist. I'm just bored,
you know. And I've always, by the way, been very
passionate about culture, vaccines. I'm also a mom now, so
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in the beginning I was married, I had no children.
Now my interests have naturally shifted since becoming a parent,
and so I think people are seeing more sides of me.
And in many ways, I'm growing up publicly and it's
been refreshing, you know, refreshing kind of take people on
the journey and to show people that I'm not just
a Trump supporter, which the media did a very good
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job of painting that caricature of me.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
You don't think that's an act.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
You don't think that's an a I don't want to
call it a caricature, but you don't think that's an
accurate description of you as being a Trump supporter.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
No, I am a Trump supporter, but I'm not just
a Trump supporter. And I think in the beginning they
kind of made it seem like I was always angry,
always talking bad about black people, which is like any
person that listens to my podcast, white people get it
ten times worse. But the media will only pluck a
clip when I'm speaking about a black issue and then it's, oh,
there she is again saying stuff about black people. They
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did a very good job of conditioning I would say,
the public, just via the mainstream media and flashy headlines,
to think that I had, like they call me like
a self hating black person. It was completely wild. It
was out of it was out of control.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, listen, this is the thing, and this is the
thing that gets me in trouble because obviously me being
a black man, b being a centrist sort of center
left as opposed to center right. I've been one that
was inclined to vote Democratic, you know, at least for
the presidency, for the vast majority of my life. If
it was anybody other than Trump, I think I would
have voted a conservative. This time around, I'm sort of
becoming even more enlightened.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I'm going to use that word.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Because I was so disgusted with the left and what
I saw. My patience is run thin at times. And
then I've listened to you over the years and one
of the things that I didn't like is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Will you just describe what people would say about you?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And I'm saying, well, wait a minute, is she wrong?
What is she saying that you disagree? How Come you
can't say you disagree with and make your points as
to why like she does, as opposed to just attacking her.
Which brings me to my next question, what's it like
being a black conservative in America?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Nobody better asked this question than you.
Speaker 6 (36:37):
Honestly, it's a hell of a lot easier than it
was when I first got into this back in twenty fifteen,
because people that was the first time they saw Trump
and people just could not see passed. How could this
possibly happen. I think the media had a stronger hold
on people's minds then that it does now. Now we've
seen the explosion of independent media. People are able to
get their voices out outside of the New York Times
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and CNN and Fox New and that's helped tremendously to
defeat all of these media caricatures that are being created.
But I find it now it's pioneering to put it
in a nice way, and I think it's the most
rewarding thing ever, when what I have found is that
if you just stand for truth, even in the beginning
when it's really hard and people say terrible things about
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you and I've been called everything you could possibly imagine,
then there's that moment, even if it takes years, where
they do come back and they say you were right,
particularly about BLM. I mean, I was hitting the drum
about the finances so early, and I'm going this like,
I'm not saying that you don't have feelings about this thing,
but I am telling you something else is going on
and not this is going to harm the black community.
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In the end, this money is just going to be
zapped out of communities, and communities are going to be destroyed.
And then when that was proven right, it was so
refreshing to hear people say, yeah, we kind of hated
her for a really long time. We're kind of saying
this for a really long time. And then you know
the fraud of Patrice's colors and what they were doing
with the money, and so my brain just works differently.
I am different, and I'm happy being different. I don't
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want to be the same, but I also do respect.
I think I've learned in the process as well, is
to just respect where people are at. You know, I wasn't.
My sisters did not like where I was at when
I started.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
How many How many sisters do you have?
Speaker 6 (38:15):
I have two sisters and they're they're my best friends.
So one is a year older, one's a year younger.
So I grew up. Were like a trio.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
They stand with you, they will gives you, they stand
with you.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Huh.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well, they just didn't really care to me. That's Candice.
I've always been different, you know, and they didn't know
what I was on or what I was thinking. And
now this last election they voted for Trump, which is crazy,
like that means they were fully on the left and
they just sort of saw it. And so it's just
been cool to see that and they now like my podcast.
Before they didn't even listen to it, but we always had.
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I grew up obviously in a not obviously, but my
families has a great sense of humor. And that was
one of the worst things they hated about BLM is
that I've always thought that black people culturally like we're like,
we're the funniest, We're the funniest. You always want to
go listen to Chris Rock, Chris Tucker, and you saw
that removal where everything was just taken so seriously, were
so easily offended, and I hated that. I thought the
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best parts of what the black culture represented to me
growing up was removed. And for me and my sisters,
they never cared. Like I'd be like, can you watch
my cat? I have to go to a Trump thing,
and my sister would be like, oh, are going to
know one of your Klansmen rallies, Like yeah, I'll watch
your cat. You know, it's always a joke.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Yeah, And I get it, And I guess for me
because I think about it, and I remember when you
showed up.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I believe it was in Paris.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You were with Kanye West and you were wearing the
White Lives Matters, White Lives Matter shirt and what have you.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
And I said, damn, And I was upset. I was
actually upset at you.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And here's why, Candae, because I looked at it and
I said, no.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Don't give the ammunition. Don't give the ammunition.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You can sit up there and you can talk to
folks about your views, what you know, and educate folks
without them being closed minded because they saw something and
visualized something and automatically deemed that you were.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Against us as a people.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
So I mean, as you reflect on a moment like
that and you talk about the black community and politics,
how do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
You feel, how do you gauge what's the.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Right thing to do and what's not the right thing
to do?
Speaker 6 (40:14):
You know, for me, the discussion and polite discussion, it
doesn't work. I have found that you can go back
and watch me on stage with TI and Killer Mike,
and it doesn't work with the black community. And I
have a theory on this, and I think partially it's
because we have this instance of father absence, but that
we there's a lot of attitudes. There's a lot of attitudes,
(40:34):
and if you try to come politely, you're just going
to get disrespected. And so in terms of the white
Lives Matter shirt, first off, Kanye, that's how he communicates.
He communicates with art. That's like, this was Kanye's thing
that I was stepping into, but I understood what he
was saying there because he is someone that does not like,
no one puts Kanye in the corner. No one tells
Kanye what he has to be. And so when you
(40:54):
start saying, oh, I'm going to superimpose you just being
a black victim on someone like Kanye West. And know
he hated when white people would come up to him
and say black lives matter. So he's like, Okay, you
want to patronize me, let me patronize you. Your life
matters too, Like oh yeah, like white white lives matter too,
and I want you to know that white lives matter,
your life matters. He never liked that, yeah, the patronization
(41:18):
of it. And so I and I felt the same way,
and we communicate differently. I usually am using more bombastic words,
but that moment to me, especially as someone who grew
up and really Kanye's music kind of gave me the
courage to be myself, to have to be an archetype
of what a black woman should be. It was. It
was a moment for me that I reflect on very fondly.
(41:39):
And yeah, it broke the internet and there it started
a lot of conversations. But imagine if black people were
just like, yeah, every time I saw a white person,
I'm with what your white life matters. It's just there's
something about it. I just don't like. It wasn't from me.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You brought up the use of bombastic words. You used
that with George Floyd as well, who was murdered by.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
A police officer in Minnesota, and obviously a lot of
people in the black community had a real problem with
you as it pertained to that.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
That brings me to this question, when you take these positions,
does it enter your mind.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
I don't want to use the word vitriol because I
think that's a bit too strong and that's unfair to you,
and I don't want to do that. But when you
consider the fact that so many people in the black
community have voted democratic senis the civil rights legislation in
nineteen sixty four, you remember what Linda B. Johnson said that,
you know, do you pass this legislation and we'll have
the negroes vote for us for the next two hundred years.
Remember that statement. I know, I remember that statement. I'm wondering,
(42:31):
because of your knowledge of politics, your obvious knowledge.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Of the issues, when you speak.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
On these things and you take positions about you take
such positions, particularly if it's antithetical or the antithesis of
what the black community will point to, do you think
about it and do so on purpose? Because dare I
say you're disgusted with us as a community for being
hoodwinked by the Democratic Party in your eyes?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Is that possible?
Speaker 6 (42:59):
So that's a very good question, And disgusted would not
be the right term for it. Frustrated, yes, and constantly
trying to give people the facts so that they understand
that we Lyndon Bange Johnson was an avowed racist and
he hated us, and yet we are doing everything that
he wanted us to do. We are reacting emotionally and
not rationally. We seem to be a stereotype of irrationality. Actually,
(43:25):
all we have to do is make them feel something
and they won't react. And I want to be clear
it's not just Black Americans. The Me Too movement was
another manifestation of that very you know, that's why I'm
doing with Harvey Weinstein series. But what really does upset
me about the black community is that the manner in
which we defend criminals, you will not find this in
any other community. Okay, so black, white, white person gets
(43:48):
shot killed unarmed. They're not coming out. White people are
not coming out and burning down their own neighborhoods. Right,
they're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Did you see the black community attack me for going
off about oh JB is celebrated.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Did you see that?
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah it is. They've conditioned us to actually
defend the worst in our communities. They just will let
it go. You think Chinese people are gonna run outside
if they're like, well listen, this guy was high on fentanel,
he gotten to brush up with police officers and he died.
Chinese people will be like especially Asian Asian moms are
just dead serious. They'd be like, you idiot, you know,
(44:20):
good for you, So you're an embarrassment. Never come home.
This is how Asian women are. They have a standard.
You think Jewish people are coming outside and gonna you know,
rally around, and you know, they all know that they
think of as like a natural process. We don't want
to associate with that. And we have the exact opposite mindset.
And when I say the exact opposite, I mean also
the reverse of that, being that the most educated and
(44:42):
the most accomplished people in our community in terms of
their intellect, we reject. How can we ever get ahead? Right? Oh, Conda,
Lie's a rice. No, she's a trader. She's an uncle Tom.
Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court Justice, He's a trader, He's an
uncle Tom. But doctor Ben Carson, a literal brain surgeon.
Black people will call him stupid, it's crazy. So there's
(45:04):
no way Black America can get ahead with that, With
that backwards mindset where you put you put George Floyd
on a T shirt and you denigrate and disrespect someone
like Clarence Thomas. I'm just not with it. You know,
you got a.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
New platform called Club Canvas, and I'm wondering how important
is you. I know it's you're going to speak your truth.
You have proven that time and Tom and Tom again. Okay,
but in the process of doing so, as you have
this new platform, how important is it for you, if
at all, to reach and resonate with the black community
(45:38):
or to really really provoke change all across the board,
particularly in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
What do you lie with that, yef.
Speaker 6 (45:46):
The number one thing is for me to reach people
who want to hear the truth. And so that comes
in all different shapes and sizes and colors, and our
demographics have really changed or just it's it's very mixed
people all around the world, like I have. Shockingly, I
would say an afrod They absolutely love me. I mean,
like the amount of Nigerian So this is in my
podcast Daily Uganda. So it's not a color thing. It's
(46:07):
important for me to get information out that I don't
think would otherwise be available. So with Club Candace, you know,
I have my vaccine series. I am quote unquote anti
vax don't vaccinate my children, and I want people to
know why. I want people, especially if you want to
talk about something Black Americans should learn about, it's the
vaccine industry. We were targeted, you know what was sent
over to Africa to experiment and make people infertile. Hispanic women,
(46:30):
Native Americans and Black Americans were experiments to on and
this is the stuff that matters. And so also obviously
the book club to introduce them to the books that
I read outside of the school system that kind of
helped forge a lot of my opinions, a lot of
my political opinions. And so that's really fun that we
meet every two weeks. And so if you're just getting
kind of whatever goes on in this headquarters of crazy,
(46:54):
it's all happening at club Candice.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Make them a sandwich. Why real women don't need fake feminism?
Explain that title, please.
Speaker 6 (47:01):
We just need to destroy the feminist movement. It's just
so toxic. And I think that on the heels of
Kamala's loss. And you know this, women are unhappy because
they're being told to compete with men. We are not
like men. We are not built like men biologically, mentally, physically,
we are just not men. And the idea that to
be equal in society I have to have the same
aspirations as a man is going to be something that
(47:24):
makes women chronically unhappy, which is what we're dealing with
today and learning the real history of feminism. And I'm
mimicking Gloria Stein. I'm a famed photo of her who
was actually, a CIA operative will wake people up to
the fact that these decisions that you're being that are
being told to you of Like, yes, feminist movement was amazing.
Was the CIA looking for a way to tax household
(47:44):
wholesold household two ways? And it has not led to
the enriching of the household. It has not led to
the enriching of our life experiences. And the biggest joys
in my life are being able to be at home
with my children and my husband. And I'm just tired
of being told that that makes me somehow backwards. We
got to defend men.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, I did go Hey, listen, I'm not complete. I'm
not complully about that a little bit. Al right. You
recently interviewed.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Former Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein from prison. Why did you
want to talk to him and what was the most
surprising thing you got from it.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
I have been a hater of the me two movements
in Stay one even before I had sons and now
I have three. I knew that we need due process
and watching men lose their entire lives on the basis
of an allegation, and I could have literally ruined your
life step and I could have been like he touched
my hand at that Knixt game and I remember this
and cro you've been done, canceled over forever. And that's wrong, okay,
(48:40):
because women lie, men lie, women lie, facts don't lie,
and we need due process. And so the Harvey Weinstee case,
someone brought it to me and said, take a look
at it. And I actually thought he was guilty when
I first got on the phone with him in prison
and were totally on different sides of the political spectrum.
But a friend had reached out and said, I think
you'll be the only person that will actually take a
look at this and tell the truth truth. And I've
(49:01):
just always been committed to tell the truth, and it
is my belief. And I think that once I show
the public the facts of this case, that Harvey Weinstein
was wrongfully convicted, and his case just got overturned in
New York as it should have, and now it's being
sent back down in the appellate courts. He got so
it's got to be retried, and I just want the
We got to go back to the beginning. We got
to put this genie back into the bottle and back
(49:21):
into the me too bottle, and it all begins with
Harvey Weinstein, and so I'm really excited about bringing that
series for it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Got you before I let you get on out of here.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
You know, my producers and my issue mispronounced Kamala Harris's
name twice. I want to make sure you didn't do
that on purpose.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
No, I just don't know how. What is it? Is
Itama or Kamala?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris, Kamala hass that's what I said.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
I said Kamala this right.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm just well, don't worry about it. It's okay, it's
all right. You said Kamala, but don't worry about it.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
In turns of me, She's not an issue.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
I got you listen, I know you got to go.
Thank you for your time. I just want to say
one thing to you. I've interviewed a lot of liberals
on this show. I'm telling the conservatives they're welcome on
the show too.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
If I'm wrong, correctly right, agree with me.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
I have no I'm not in this game, contrary to
what they've been writing about it. I like being fair
minded and giving everybody an equal platform to express themselves.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
And I appreciate you taking the time to come on
the show.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
I really thank you for it, and you're welcome back
on the show anytime.
Speaker 2 (50:14):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
I would love to come back. Like I said, this
feels so full circle to me, from the High five
to this, so thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Works for me.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
You take care of yourself all the best. I want
to get in to what we just heard from Kendas Horns. Okay,
be clear, I'm fully aware. You heard her comment it's
about Kanye. You heard her answering my question. You heard
the way she answered my question about George Floyd. The
(50:41):
primary reason I wanted her on this show was because
I was curious as to how she felt as a
black conservative, particularly as it pertained to black people, because
of the trial that I've seen aimed in her direction.
(51:04):
Are there times where I feel that she's a bit abrasive?
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (51:08):
Are there times that I feel she's that way unnecessarily so. Yeah,
even she acknowledged she just don't have time, the mother three,
expecting a fourth kid, preoccupied with a lot of things
that occupy ourselves in life, and she don't have patience
and tolerance for nonsense and games.
Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's how she feels. Everybody has their.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Feelings we have a right to disagree, and again, when
we have a lengthier discussion, I will most certainly be
a bit more probing and challenging. This wasn't the time
for that, my first time meeting her, my first time
talking to her. I wanted to hear what she had
to say, and I wanted to hear the perspective that
(51:54):
she provided to the masters out there, and how unapologetic
she is in doing so. I got that, and I
appreciate it, because here's what I want everybody to understand,
and I want us to understand that we'll never get
far until we learn to do this, no matter what
our emotional state of mind is, no matter how turned
(52:15):
off we might be over the things that people say
and a matter in.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
Which they say it. Yes it's true. Every truth ain't
meant to be heard. Yes it's true.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
Sometimes it is about the way you say something instead
of what you're just saying.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
But far more often than not, the truth is supposed
to usurp everything.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
And when that young lady speaks, don't even think about
challenging her intelligence. Don't even think about challenging her ability
to articulate her point of view. You better know what
the hell you're talking about when you come at her.
(53:07):
That's what I take away just as much as anything else.
I can't wait until she and I sit face to
face one day.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
And volley back and.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
Forth about what we feel, what we believe, what we
stand for, and why. Because I'm certainly different than her
when it comes to some political positions she has taken
and beyond.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
There is no doubt about that. But I can't deny.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
She's sharp as attack, and you damn well better be
if you're gonna come for her, because ladies and gentlemen
like it or not. Candice Owens, She's not going anywhere, even.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
When you thought she was gone.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
She's around number eight on Spotify's list of podcasts and
climbing and she's in her thirties.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
She's not going away. No matter what summer you want,
She's not going away. Deal with that.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
If not, I get the impression she will make you
before we go. I want to mention that President Donald
Trump will deliver an address tonight in prime time to
the House and Senate lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The speech
will resemble something like a State of the Union address. Meanwhile,
Democrats today have gone out of their way to post
(54:37):
messages on social media about the current Trump administration and
what's happening to American lives. The problem is they're all
literally saying the same damn thing. Don't believe me. Check
it out night when I will immediately bring prices down
starting on day watch.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
That ain't true.
Speaker 6 (54:55):
That's what you just heard since day one of Donald
Trump's presidency.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Getting worse. Get the prices now.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
You see why Stephen A. Smith was in the polls
as a presidential kennidate. See what I'm talking about. You
see that idiocy right there. You talk about something people
being tone deaf. Why the hell would twenty two Democratic
senators be literally echoing the same thing and think that
would resonate with the American people. All it shows is
(55:37):
that the same fabric of our democracy is unchanging in
the eyes of some of these officials and as a result,
the constituency the represents, which is.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Why Donald Trump is in office. What do I have
to come up to Capitol Hill and give you lessons?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Seriously, you don't get it.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Oh you did, Elizabeth Warren, Corey Booker, Chuck Schumer, Let's all.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Get together, Let's put.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
This in a prompter and all together all being in
separate rules. We'll grab a microphone and say the same
damn thing, and that's what's going to.
Speaker 1 (56:20):
Resonate with the American people. And then you wonder why
you're no longer in power. You wonder why Trump is
in the White House. You wonder why a vice president
like jd. Vance has the authority to spew in the
direction of the president of another nation. Don't you get
(56:44):
what I've been telling you, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (56:47):
I'm what is read? Follow me the camera, follow me,
let me give it to you.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
I'm gonna use the saying from my old buddy God
rest is soul, Joe.
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Madison, the Black Eagle. I'm gonna put it with a
goats can get it.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Please forgive me because I'm going to cuss here only
for the purposes of accentuating a point about Donald Trump.
Chuck Schumann, A typical politicians are inflation is high. All
look at the look a look at them pointing the
fingers at the migrants. All.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Look at them blaming immigration.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
They don't care about you all, by the way, look
at they don't care about that. Why would you bother
people from the LGBTQ community.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
Why you would you bother folks with transgender and all that?
Speaker 1 (57:33):
Why would you do that?
Speaker 2 (57:36):
That is what the Democrats say.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
That's what most politicians would say.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Here's Trump. They're pieces of shit. They don't give a
shit about you. It's rigged.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
They've hood weet you all the time. They think you're
a freaking joke. They give you the middle finger anytime
they want to.
Speaker 2 (57:59):
Here's Trump. Fuck them. They ain't worth shit. And do
you know what his followers say.
Speaker 5 (58:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's how we want you talking to those
politicians who's been.
Speaker 1 (58:15):
Stealing our money all of these years.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
It's not what he says, it's how he says it.
Speaker 8 (58:23):
He does it with vitriol and venom to show a
disrespect to politicians who the public have no respect for
because they feel they've been hoodwinked.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
By those same politicians.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
He's using it to separate himself from the cesspool that
is Capitol Hill.
Speaker 5 (58:43):
And how does Capitol Hill respond by showing.
Speaker 2 (58:45):
Them they're still Capitol Hill.
Speaker 1 (58:50):
Did you see me on the View Tuesday afternoon? Did
you see when they said we don't believe there's a
Trump mandate?
Speaker 7 (58:59):
I said, did you see the former Press secretary for
the White House.
Speaker 2 (59:04):
Come on, I think Steven Ay is wrong. I don't
believe what he said is correct.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
Donald Trump has the lowest approval ratings in the first
month or so or the two moths of a presidency
in American history.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
Oh really, But then he went all the swing states.
Speaker 1 (59:23):
Did it his popularity elevate within eighty nine percent of
the counties in the United States of America? Did it
his popularity elevate within the black community, the Hispanic community,
and the young voters. Didn't he win the popular vote
for the first time in twenty years as a Republican nominee.
Speaker 7 (59:44):
Didn't he also win the Electoral College vote. Isn't he
in control of the White House? Don't the Republicans have
the House and the Senate? All of that happened, but
there's no Trump mandate.
Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
You see the bullshit? Is it bullshit?
Speaker 9 (01:00:07):
Or is it just that the Democrats are so damn
lost that they're actually going to convince themselves they can
do the same old, same old and still regain power.
Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Both in the midterms and in the twenty twenty eight election.
I'm here to tell you that's not gonna happen because
Trump has the power now, and he's manipulating the proceedings.
And in case you didn't notice, one of his top boys,
(01:00:40):
Elon Musk Doge owns X. Who else was at the inauguration?
Jeff Bezos the man running TikTok, and lord knows who else.
And then you got folks like Candace Owens, who's a
Trump supporter, on with various others with their microphones, their
(01:01:03):
cameras and their audience. If you think the Liberals are
overcoming that you go ahead and watch humor and those
twenty two U one other senators talk their drivel jd Vance,
l Marco Ruby or somebody would be the next president
in twenty twenty eight. You'll have nobody but yourself to blame.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
As if for this edition of the Stephen A. Smith Show,
I ain't got time to talk to this about this anymore.
Hope you all enjoy cameras owns she'll be back til then.
He's in love with Ma
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