Full Show: Knicks Win! Stephen A recaps NBA Playoff stunners with ESPN's Jay Williams.

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Speaker 1 (01:00):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I got a lot of stuff to get into because
I saw my.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Boy, Jayleen Brunston put on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
See what digit seal digital.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
You know what I'm saying. The three three pointers? Nah,
you see that.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's what he was doing. Nah to the boss defense.
It was a beautiful moment.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
That was he in the Noby dropped another twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Okay, McHale Bridges missed the fourth first round unprotected picks
giving up for him, showed up. Winning counted most to
give you that stability, to give you those minutes played,
to give you that defensive finasty. It was beautiful the sake.
It's just one game. It's just one game, but damn it,
I was scared Nicks were gonna get swept.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
That's how scared. I wasn't this series because I know
who Boston is.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I know what they could do. I know they're the
best road team in basketball. I know that the reigning
defending NBA champions. I know that Jason Statium is a stud.
I know that Jaylen Brown is the reigning NBA Finals MVP.
I know that they can shoot better than anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
I know this, so I was nervous. I was nervous,
and when he was down twenty I didn't like that.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
He but then they came scratching the cord back, and
then they scored the first eight points of the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And then they ultimately tied. Then they ultimately took the lead,
and Jalen.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Brunton, if you hadn't missed that floater at the end
of regulation, it wouldn't been though overtip. So I was
worried about that too. But they ultimately survived, y'all. They
ultimately survived, and they go up one nothing, which means
worst case scenario, meaning if they lose game two, they
come back to the guarden this weekend tie one one,
and the Guard's gonna be rocking, and I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
So I'm very very happy about that. Wasn't as happy about.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Okay, see wet in the bed the way that they did,
ched Homegrians choking at the free throw line. Okay, Jaylen
William shooting twenty five percent from the field, knowing you.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Need his office to help sga.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, looking at Jokic and Aaron Gordon playing bully board
against Homegren and Isaiah Hartenstein, I rebounding them like sixty
three to forty three totally, you know, collectively as teams,
and then on top of it all, yo kids dropping
forty two and twenty two, Aaron Gordon hitting the game
winning three point shot with two point eight seconds, I've

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Speaker 2 (04:23):
Let's get started with the NBA playoffs and a two
featured game last night that went down to the wire.
To help me get in all of that, I have
a two time National Player of the Year at Duke,
a national champion by the way, who's in an outstanding
basketball analyst for the family at ESPN, and one and
only Jay Williams.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Is in the house. What's up, big Time? How are you?
By the way?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I left out National Player the Year, My bad, bad,
I left out National Player of the Year.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
Just don't skip the second pick behind the seven six
Chinese man. That's all, you know what I mean? Just
don't skip.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
That's, you know, just just a little bit of respect
of my name. I said, it's all I got you.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
I got you, I got to give it to you.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yet, listen, I've cald you the greatest play in the
history of Duke's program.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
That's what I've said that. I mean, I've said that
on many many occasions. Okay, but let me ask you this.
You watched the New York Knicks handle their business last night.
How shocked will you let that happen?

Speaker 4 (05:13):
It was, first off, man, like, I've known Jalen brun
since he's been five years old, since his dad, Rick Brunson,
took my corvette, said he wanted to borrow it, and
then took the damn thing. Essay for three and a
half weeks. That's another story for another day. On the
YouTube channel, they'll get into, Okay, that that's called being
being punked by your veteran. But Jalen was always he

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always wanted to hoop with us, it didn't matter if
we were physical, and Rick always like punished him, like
beat him up, you know what I mean, Like made
the game extremely physical. And in the game last night,
I guess when it was close, it didn't really shock
me that they were down twenty, that they came back.
I think what was more shocking is the fact Boston

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just settled, man, and watching them shoot sixty damn threes
out of their ninety seven shots, and then watching Jason
Tatum down the stretch.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Just settle and settle and settle, as.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Say, you and I have talked about this after winning
a World championship and then having multiple DMPs in USA
Basketball with Steve Kerr, like there's something for Jason Tatum
to prove, and for a guy that's been there multiple
times and for a team that is full of veterans, for.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Them to just settle for contested three. I was. I
was angered by that.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
That doesn't sit right with me, and the fact they
can't change up the style or the rhythm like it
makes me question even though I know they are a
better team than the New York next So yeah, I
was shot at the next one.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Well, what about the argument that even though they damn
show shot too many threes, and we get that part,
they're last in the league and free throw attempts they're
like third last, and layups this is what they do.
And they're a rankling and defending NBA champions So if
something's not broke, why fix it?

Speaker 1 (06:55):
What about that argument.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I mean, it's hard for me because that's data and alytics,
and data analytics prove that threes are always more conventional
than twos and layups. So like the free throw aspect
of it, fine, But if there's anything that kind of
breaks that barrier, essays the fact that they won a
World championship playing that similar style. Now you can post up,
you can get twos, you can't get away from that completely.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But they are a team that is a volume three
point shooting team.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
So how about this, I'll reverse it on you because
I know you're a Knicks fan, the fact that the
Knicks won the game and it was a close game
despite them missing forty five threes, Like, how do you
feel about that?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't feel comfortable because I think that it's almost
automatic that Boston wins Game two, and that Boston is
the best road team in basketball. So whatever you've been
seeing from them at TD Bay Garden in Boston, it's
gonna be even better when they roll up in Madison
Square Garden, where you know it's gonna be hyped because
the series at in worst case scenario, is gonna be
tied one to one, and Knick fans is gonna be

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going crazy, and that seems to play right in the
hands of Boston.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Anthony, I worry about him, saying, I mean, he didn't
have a great game, but just the versatility of how
Boston plays and how they bait him, how will he play?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
So look, I think Boston.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Boston to me is the best team I think in
the Eastern Conference. Ok see, I think it's the best
team in the league. Whether they prove it or not
against Denver, it's another story. But I think it's gonna
take performances like that where New York has to keep
it close.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
If they keep it close and.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
Then you got Captain Crunch and Jalen Brunson and Crunch time,
then you have a legitimate shot.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
If they don't keep it close, there ain't gonna be
no contest.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Did the performance like that from Boston last night give
you cause to pause as it pertains to not them
winning this series?

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Because most people believe they're gonna win this series.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
But did they give you cause to pauls as to
whether or not they'll repeat as champions?

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Not?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
It's not.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
I hear the sentiment like in the back of my brain,
I want it to make sense, But damn essay, over
eighty percent of the shots they took a wide open
they were butt naked, I mean right, So I mean
like that's like knowing how they play. That game could
easily have been won by forty points if they knocked

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down half those shots. So like that's what they do now.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (09:20):
They settled a little bit, They took contested shots, Jason Tatum.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
But I think if anything, this.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
Team has resolved and they understand who they are, I
highly doubt that they will have a performance as poor
behind the arc as they did in Game one.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
In the entire rest of the place.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You sound, you sound more secure about them than you
do about Oklahoma City, because we saw them lose a
game last night.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
We saw Ched Holmgren miss two free throws a nine
and a half seconds left.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
We saw a coach Dagnall call for after shake Gilgis
Alexander made his dunk with eleven seconds left.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
We saw them call for a foul immediately, which both
you and I and like, what the hell was that about?
Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Because all you did was give going in a couple
of free throws, and then after that, you know, ultimately
they come down and he hits a winning three after
Homegrin missed those free throws. You look at Oklahoma City
and to me, what really got exposed is how they
struggle offensively on too many occasions. Did defenses like they're
like piranhas, but offensively. I don't know if.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
There's anyone you can rely upon outside of SGA. What
are your thoughts about Oka?

Speaker 4 (10:25):
See, that's why I have more confidence in Boston because
they have more weapons offensively, and I've seen it before.
I mean, can we just revisit something for one second?
Steeven A, Like sure, why are we found in the
back court? Like why are we taking four seconds off
the damn shot clock to get the ball up the
court and then bow with five seconds? I mean, just

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having the Kola yolks to God, that's been essentially put
check Holmgren and Isaiah you know, Hartenstein and daycare center.
I mean he held their parent teacher conference, damn it
pretty much with the way he was, you know, giving
them a paddle like they were ultar boys. I mean,
what's going on? I don't understand why if he's not
in the game. After SGA makes that bucket, why file

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immediately in the backcourt. I don't I get data analytics
extending the game, but why not wait for them to
bring the ball up the court knowing that their best
offensive weapon is sidelined and they have zero timeouts. Why
are you giving them the benefit of stopping the clock
so early in the clock.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
That was a rookie mistake.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
So when you when you ask me why I have
more confidence in Boston is because they've been through the
gauntlet before, I think I haven't seen the case get there.
Doesn't mean that they can't, but I think those are
the smaller types of things.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
That happen that we see.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Lack of scoring options, coaching strategies that maybe, oh you're
there's a lot of rigidity, there's not a lot of flexibility.
Those are the things that concern me about OKC.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
See when you bring up coaching in Oklahoma City, I
go to sant Presty, revered as an elite excit executive
in this game, a master at acquiring talent, whether through
the draft or through trades, accumulating picks, etc. We all
know this about him, and this man in seventeen plus

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years as the executive running the Oklahoma City Thunder, I'd
like it to remind you, Jay, he doesn't have one
single championship to show for it. He's going to the
finals in twenty twelve, but outside of that, that's it.
And over the years, he's had Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook,
James Harden, Serge Ibaka, Reggie Jackson, Paul, George, Carmelo, Anthony,

(12:35):
I'm Victor Oladipo. He's had all of these players, but somehow,
some way, he can never win the championship. And I
would point to coaching. Billy Donovan is a good coach,
won the national back to back national titles as the
coach in Florida. Scott Brooks was a damn good coach,
took him to the finals, had him as a perennial title,
contending the playoffs. Dag Nall is nothing to sneeze at.

(12:57):
I think the guy's very, very impressive. But when you
asked the kind of question you asked about coaching strategy,
I'm saying I have no choice but to look at
that historically about that franchise when it comes to San Presty,
because we've certainly never been able to look at their
roster and say they didn't have enough to win. We've
been able to look at their roster on many occasions

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since twenty eleven and said, you know what, they can
win it all and it never happens.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Say some people in our world just have I know,
Virgin a larger margin of era than others.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
You know what I mean. You get what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
And the reality is when you stockpile draft picks the
way he did, and it provides you a lot of
flexibility and something falls in your lap like SGA, and
now we're considering them to be at the top. I
think now is when the pressure reaches its climax, because
now it's like, okay, now we need to see We needed.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
To see results before, but now it's time.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
You have a guy that's going to win the MVP,
that's one of the the best players in the league.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
We talked about Edwards or Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
You and I got into that a little bit the
other day about the face of the league.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
I mean, look right before you and a guy like SGA.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
So you are right, but I think it's reaching its
peak right now because now this is what we need
to see.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
It reach the pinnacle. Now, now it's time for them
to win it.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
By the way, I appreciate you bringing that up because
you were making the argument that Jason Tatum was the
phase of the league.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
And I'm like, last.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Night, I mean, spinky backing off of last night at
the greatest moment to bring that.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Any bringing mother jay An the greatest moment to bring
that up. Even though I believe in the brother I do,
I do. Listen, before I.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Even move on from this, how can we talk about
last night's game and not bring up Nicole Jokic forty
two and twenty two and six, and I mean on
the court with the guy that's expected to beat him
out for league MVP. Honest with Shae Gilgess Alexander who
finished with thirty three and ten, no slouch, but Yokic

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just the special man he really is.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I don't know what to say.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I don't know what else because he can't jump onto
a curve to save his life.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
And nobody can stop them.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And considering that in the way Russell Westbrook is playing, you're.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Giving him the benefit of the doubt jumping onto the
curb I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
He can't jump over an eyelash.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
That's right, and you can't stop them, and him and
Gordon played bully ball, and I'm looking at them and.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I'm like, they might go to the conference finals. Your
thoughts about Denver.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I mean, obviously, when you lose some of the pieces
that they had defensively, it led to a lot of
question marks. But I've said it before, Sga is gonna
win the MVP. He the best player in basketball, best
player in basketball. It's unorthodox. It ain't the sexiness that
people want to come along with it. But he can
dislodge anybody off of their spot. I mean, Zubos did

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the best of the best individual performance he's seen against
him was in the last series versus the Clippers, and
it was at least somebody that held their ground.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I mean, ain't too many people in the.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
World built the way Zubaca is in order, Zuba says,
in order to hold their ground against him, and the
way they kept digging down into the spots and he
never really caught the ball in the operational area where he.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Was comfortable right.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
But watching him last night, man, it was like a
backyard beat and he did whatever he wanted. And look, man,
you gotta do forty four and twenty two. God damn,
that's uh. It's gonna be hard to stop that, and
I don't see nobody on their team stopping that.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Neither do I let's move on to a couple of
other series. Minnesota, Golden State. I got Minnesota in sixth.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I think they're too big. I think ant Man is
too great. I think that they they're too good. Defensively,
they have too much size.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I can't imagine the only way they can The only
way Golden State can beat them is Golden State shooting
the lights out and Minnesota can't find a basket.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Your thoughts about that series?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (16:54):
When we're on TV, he not used the word girth
because you have to understand, I am a child and
I'm just gonna start laughing because I wanted the pause
you the other.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Day is so bad, but I couldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I'm a child my bed.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Anyway, Uh, I'm gonna take Golden State.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
I'm gonna take Golden Still.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
How they gonna do it? Jay, how they gonna do it?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
I don't think the sides.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
You keep talking about sides, But if I have spacing
and shooting that in the gate sides, because now the
side's gotta guard me on the perimeter, I think Minnesota's
gonna be forced to play smaller than what we think.
You know, if Rudy Gobert wants to guard Draymond Green
or Looing in these picking pop scenarios.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Then good good luck to him. Go look to him
skating around on the perimeter trying to chase around.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
All the shooters are Buddy Hill, And I mean, I
cant see Steve Kurr a lot of credit. Now, whether
you know GTP was sick or had issues like playing
Buddy Hilled the lot that's floor spacing that helps them tremendously.
So yeah, I hear the thing about size. And also
I'm gonna give you another one essay because I want
to hear what your thoughts on on Edwards at the

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beginning of the year said he wanted to play Golden
State obviously because of the USA basketball, Draymond Green, the
trash talk and all this stuff that happens. Right, he
didn't know he was gonna get Jimmy Butler. So I'm
over here saying, Okay, I love you, ant Man, Superman, Batman,
Lakers and five.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I love all that.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I love walking around the arena after beating the Lakers
and talking trash talking shit to everybody.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I'm all for that.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
You're about to get a grown ass man. Now, somebody
that's an older version of you. His name is Jimmy Butler.
So that's a matchup you're gonna have to take. I
don't think he's gonna be on Steph Curry. I think
he has to take Jimmy Butler. And I know Jimmy
Butler's gonna have his ass, so I want to see
how Ant does it against him. That's different. I love Ron,
I love Luca, I love kd I love Devin Booker,

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Jamal Murray. You're talking about all offensive minded dudes. Jimmy
Butler's that dude in the trenches. They called him a technician.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Number one, he's not one hundred percent. He's not one
hundred percent healthy. And number two, that's a relatively easy
answer for me. Jimmy Butler's great, mad respect to him,
but I'd rather guard Jimmy Butler than be chasing around
Steph Curry. I want to be chasing Steph Curry all
over the damn place. We saw what Kyrie Irvin did

(19:22):
to Aunt Man last year. You understand saying when you're
going up against the smaller guards that can sniper you
out of there from long range that can dance on
you or whatever. That's problematic. That's not Jimmy. Jimmy's a
man amongst boys. Jimmy's physical, but he's a different kind
of beast. And I think the kind of beast ant
Man is would more easily embrace other than the alternative.

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That's my answer to that question.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Jay, And I tell you why.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
I hope you are right, because if I'm Jimmy, I
want to be in your head the whole damn game.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Please guard me. I'm talking to you. We are in exchanging.
This is intellectual warfare. If you're built for it.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Let's see if you're really built for it, like and
and that kind of exchange on a game, the game
twenty four to seven basis is exactly the type of
mental chess match I want to see.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
If ant can withstand, I want to see it.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Let me move on from this subject to something close,
a bit closer, more dear to you, ant man in
Minnesota going against Golden State because they bounced the Lakers
out of there in five.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
What did you think about the job JJ Reddick did.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Coaching the Los Angeles Lakers this season and these playoffs,
and how surprised were you that they ended up home
in five?

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Wasn't as surprise that they ended up home in five?
I thought.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Game four could have went a different way down the
stretch if the ball bounces a different way.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
The calculated.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Playing his starters a third and fourth quarter is an
unorthodox one. But if they had lost by ten or fifteen,
I would like, Okay, what are you doing? It was
and I hear what people say essay about how that
then translates into game five.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, how do I say this is the corrector I'm
just gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
He lost that.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I don't know what happened with Jackson Hayes.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
I don't know how you just lose confidence to that
extent in Jackson Hayes, especially when you're getting beat up
on the blocks when you give up eighteen offensive Dann
rebounds right, you need size in there. But there was
something that JJ. I do trust JJ's intuition. There is
a learning curve that I think JJ will have in
this league. I do often wonder, though, in essay, you

(21:46):
and I know him very well, when he engages in
battle and he sees red. Sometimes that genius gets combat.
It a little bit with the competitive fire where this
is what has to be And I think that's something
that we still need to see him be fine tuned with.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
We've seen him lose his cool a little bit. You see,
you've seen it. You've seen it.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
When you've exchanged with him a bit, it gets heated.
Then it kind of becomes personal. He loses a strategy
aspect of it. I'm wondering if that happened a little
bit throughout this aspect, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Mean, Yeah, what do you think he can do with Luca?
And what role do you think Lebron should play, if
any at all, in helping Luca maximize his potential now
that you are stuck with him being a Los Angeles
Laker essentially.

Speaker 4 (22:34):
I mean, I think what JJ did calling him out
saying we weren't in championship shape. I mean, who the
hell is that referring to? But one person? Yeah, nobody
else in that team is out of shape like that.
So look, if you I said this before, you know,
accountability is not hate.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
It's the price of the damn thrown.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
And you know, obviously Steph has made improvements on the
defensive end. He put on weight, he's worked on it.
He is a marginal defender and he's a serviceable defender.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Luca is not.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
So that's number one, and I think number two. Lebron
knows what it is. I mean, at this stage, you
made your team made the move, and he had to know. Essay,
he had somebody had to call Lebron James on the
phone and say, yo, like he's earned that respect. There's
no way they made that move without him. Now he

(23:29):
can say whatever he wants to say. You know it's
it's Bron. I respect that. But ain't nobody making no
move on your show without calling you. I know that
for a fact. Ain't nobody making a move in my
company without calling me? I know that for a fact.
So if that's happening, if you gave it the blessing,
it's your job to say, yo, it's time.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
It's time for you to get this to the next year.
And he has to be that b bro. That's the
only way.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
And and he has to be that big bro. As
far as uncles said, you're in a basketball court. If
cats ain't maximizing their potential, they're holding you back, just
like you just brought me up. And what have you
coming on the show. You ain't doing your damn job.
You ain't gonna be there. I don't give damn who
you are. Like what we got, we're trying to win.
We're trying to win. We can't just sit oddly by
and let anything happen. But look, before I let you

(24:13):
get on out of here, you talked about your company.
Let's talk about that for a quick second. What is
Jay Williams doing with his life outside of ESPN?

Speaker 1 (24:22):
My brother? What's been going on with you? Man?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
We're just trying to bring out of value to ESPN.
I'm just following your footsteps. I'm just following your footsteps. Man.
You know, I happen to work with a dude who
was in New York the other day.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
I'll leave that one to you. Essay, Okay, I don't
know what's gonna happen to your nicks. I'll leave that
one to you. We'll see what happens. And I'm just,
you know, I'm I'm just trying to find my way.
Hopefully I have my own show like you one day.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
That's the plan.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Do a lot of things best. Shoot, man, I know
this much. Anytime anybody wants to talk about a show
on business, they should have you the world of sports
and business intertwining because businesses warts his business. Really, they
should be talking to you, Bloomberg should be talking.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
A whole bunch of people should be talking to you.
Actually that's my personal opinion. But we'll talk about that.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
We'll talk about that in the future, because I got
some ideas that I want to throw you away.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
You already know what time of that is with you
because I know what you've been.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
Yeah, hey, and bought the way the show's shows looking,
saying the show's really good, it's looking really good.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I'm trying, I'm trying.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm gonna take it to another level watch the next
few months. I got some stuff down to like, trust
me on that we didn't talk about.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
How Tyreese Halliburton in this regard.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
We know that he's leading everybody in assist at eleven
point eight this postseason. We know that Indiana's up one
to oh on Cleveland, and Cleveland's got some injuries they
sustained in Game one. Plus there is Garland and play.
But I never talk to you about your thoughts about
Tyrese Halliburton's father and how he got into it with
Gianni's and what you thought to fall out should have been.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
For the father of Tyrese Halliburton. By the way, I
can't applord tyre'se Halliburton enough. It takes a lot for
a kid to come out and say my dad was wrong.
I don't know if anybody.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I mean, I always respected Tyrese Haliburton, but your respect
has to elevate exponentially for god that's willing to do that.
I mean, it really is. But it was the right
thing in my opinion. What were your thoughts? I one
agree with you on that.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
I think he handled it beautifully and respectfully. And I
knew that he called Ga, he called Giannis and apologized
like and I think that takes a that takes a
grown ass man to do something like that.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
And as as you know, essay, because we come from those.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Type of communities that you know, when you get drafted,
you don't get drafted.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
We made it. We made it, and your parents become.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Fixtures in what you do and a lot of times
it's hard to tell the authority figure in your family
what time it needs to be. But that's Tyrese Haliburton
stepping into his grown ass man's shoes.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
I'm proud of you for that. I was honest. Yo.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Thank god Janni's has composure, because if that were somebody
like me, or say, if we on the court, if
you're on set and somebody just comes and runs on
the set.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
We might exchange hands. I don't know what the hell
you are. We might have changed hands up in my
face with the towel.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
So I give him grace on how he handled it,
But I mean, I also think that Indiana handled it well.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
I think that band is what you need to do.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
It's unfortunate that's your star player, but I'm sure that
they talked to Reese about what they were thinking about
doing and he had to co sign it. So for me,
when your star player co signed something because his father
put himself in that situation, to me, that lets me
know that my star player is aligned with my franchise,
and that alignment speaks values about where I want the

(27:51):
future of my franchise to be. I want it to
be in his hands because he respects what we're trying to.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
Build, absolutely, no question about it. Last question, Nick's lost
this series. How long is it going?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
I don't think. I don't think New York's gonna get
another one, I'm gonna be there Saturday. You're going to
the game on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Uh, I'll be in LA doing countdown.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I'll be there, do that.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
You're just bringing it up to hurt me. You just
bringing it up to hurt me. You know I couldn't
be there because I had to be in LA.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
You know, I just thought you were gonna be there.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
I thought you're gonna be no boots on the court,
all right if they get if they get one more, say,
I would be shocked. I to me, the headline was
Boston gave that one away. They gave it away, and
I'm I'm commending you.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
So you got Boston in five, I got Boston, you
got bossedon five.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I think this one wakes him up. I know what.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I think this one lights of fire under their ass.
I know it did for Joe Miszouli.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Golden State Minnesota. How long they got Golden State in seven? Seven?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Can we back in Minnesota on the road? Minnesota, second
consecutive series? You got them winning it seven seven?

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Man, give me give me a time for suit. Come on,
we can put a time for suit on line.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Okay, we can do we We might be able to
do that. Let me ask you this, It's kd gonna
be in for Houston next year.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Man, I don't want nobody call me a liar again.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
I say, come on, man, take me down that road
over him.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yes, is he.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
Gonna be on Houston next year? If you're Houston, do
you want Kevin Durant?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I'm asking, Okay, should Houston? Should Houston or Detroit want them?

Speaker 4 (29:35):
If I'm Detroit, I like that. I like it for Detroit.
If I'm Houston, do I go for Giannis? I'm all
in for Giannis before I'm all in for Kevin Durant.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
If I'm anybody, I'm all in for Jianni's more than
I'm all in for Kevin Durant.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
At the stage of their careers. I'm all in for Jannis.
If I'm anybody.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
With the age and with the pieces I that can
play around him, priority won Johannis, And I actually think
if you're Houston, I don't know if I want as
great as Katie is, with the ailments that he's had,
I'm not sure at that stage of his career that
I want that on my team. And that's not anything

(30:18):
to not Kevin Durant and his leadership abilities and how
he plays because he is a certified bucket getter. But
I'm not sure that's what Houston needs at this time
with what they have.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Jay Williams, appreciate you, big boy. Thanks so much for
taking time out of your busy schedule. Man, Thank you
so much. I really need to talk to you. Appreciate
him Man always, big brother. Thanks Man all right, one
of the only Jay Williams basketball analyst extraordinarire for the family.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Always appreciate him. Right here to the Steven A.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Smith Show with the digital It was a YouTube of
the course iHeart radio.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Coming up.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
She's a Tony and Grammy Award winning actress with range
who plays the ruthless mother in Power Book three, raising Canaan.
I've got Patina Miller in studio.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Straight ahead.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
But first President Trump promised sweeping deportations across the country
last fall on the campaign trail. Now his new administration
is offering one thousand dollars and a plane ticket.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
For self deportation. What happened.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I'll get into all of that next. Right here on
the Stephen Nates Mischell. Welcome back to Steven Natesmichell. Let's
get to our nation's capital, where the Department of Homeland
Security is now offering one thousand dollars in a plane
ticket to unauthorized immigrants to self deport The announcement comes
as deportations nationwide have become stagnant. During President Trump's first

(31:37):
one hundred days in office. Mass deportations were a key
campaign promise that Trump said he would start as soon
as he took office. However, it appears the administration did
not take into account the cost of that promise. According
to the Department of Homeland Security, a single deportation costs
US taxpayers more than seventeen thousand dollars. The federal agency

(32:00):
apect self deportations to decrease that cost by seventy percent,
even after factoring in the one thousand dollars stipend. Now, look,
how the hell do you not take the cost in
the consideration. How did you not know that it cost
you about seventeen thousand dollars per migrant to the taxpayer

(32:25):
in the United States of America when you talked about
engaging in deportation. So if you're talking about originally, if
you wanted to sit up there and say twelve million
people crossed the border illegally and that a lot of
them have to go. Let's round that out. Let's round

(32:45):
that out to ten million. And let's say your goal
was to deport ten million migrants back to wherever they
came from. Now that be that big of a deal,
because I mean, after all, when your national deficit is
thirty seven trillion dollars, I mean, what's one point seven billion?

(33:09):
Except you made so much noise about it when it
came to Doge and Elon Musk and you were bragging
about the hundreds of millions of dollars that is being
saved by identifying fraud and waste.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
But we didn't take that into consideration.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Now, you see, ladies and gentlemen, here's where it's time
to get a little bit nervous, because when you're willing
to admit as a government that you didn't know about
that cost, that that that that's a bit alarming when
you take into account some of the other problems we have,
like with the airlines, because you see, I fly to
new work all the time, and I'm reading all of

(33:47):
these stories about air traffic controllers. Twenty percent of its
workforce has departed. When you're wondering about over flowing traffic
and four hour delays on average, and you'll want and
talk about runways that are overloaded and.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Stuff like that. It's making me a bit nervous.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Because, once again, even though I'm a centrist, these are
the moments where I lean a little left, where government
intervention is something I.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Would prefer.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
As opposed to us trying to privatize everything or trying
to act like.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
We don't need government at all. We don't need to
go that far, because clearly we need them for some things.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
We may not need them to be excessive, but we
don't need them to be absent and nonexistent. And if
you got that kind of problem or kind of problem
were gonna have with healthcare because it is a voucher
system that's about to be in place courtesy of Governor
Abbott in Texas, likely Governor Desantus in Florida, along with

(34:55):
various others. We don't need the Department of Education, we
need we need private school we don't need public schools.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, hell, why not both.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
I'm just saying these are the kind of things to
get nervous about.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
There was a helicopter that collided.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
With a plane near Reagan National and DC months ago
that killed about a few people. I don't recall the
specific number at this moment in the time I apologized
when not having that story right in front of me,
I'm just paying attention to these kind of things.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's making me nervous. All I'm saying is is making
me nervous.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
You know what, damn the issue with Harvard when we
got these kind of things to worry about. I'm not
taking the side of the Trump administration specifically, even though
Harvard does have a fifty three billion dollar endowment, so
you're kind of wondering, why do they need government funds?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
But that's need to hear nor there. I need to
do more research that.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Before I take a position definitively in that regard. All
I'm saying is that pales in comparison to air traffic,
to air traffic issues, That pales in comparison to that
kind of stuff. And when we get back to the
migrants and folks paying folks to deport themselves, well, if

(36:22):
it's seventeen thousand dollars per person, how the hell did
you come up with one thousand as a stipend?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Couldn't you come up with five to ten? How many
people are going to turn themselves in for one thousand
dollars and a free airline ticket, And then he had
to audacity to say, and they're gonna be a beautiful
flight home. Well, how is it beautiful? First of all,
you're going back to a place you don't want to
go back to. And how the hell are you speaking
for the airlines? Now, when's the last time you've been

(36:53):
on one of these airlines to tell whether or not
they're beautiful. I'm just asking. These are logical questions. It's
gonna be a beautiful flight home and a thousand dollars? Really?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Really, come on, y'all son to be alarmed about? That's
all I'm saying. Hell, I'm scared to fly home. I'm
thinking about driving from California. Kind of shit I've been reading.
I might drive homes three days. It's a three day trip.
I might do it rather than getting the damn plane
to what the kind of damn reports I've been reading?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Just the thought I'm just saying, coming up, She's fearless,
powerful and should never be crossed.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I'm talking about Patina Miller, star of the hit series
Raising Canaan. She's joining me next right here on this
Stephen Nate Smith Show, Don't Go Away, Welcome back to
Steven Nate Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You know, it's very very rare that I ask to
talk to anybody. No.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I literally come on the air every day ready to
do my show by my damn self. But every now
and then you run across somebody that just moves you.
They're just a star in their own right in words
that you can't describe, especially when it's outside your industry.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
This woman.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
That I had the pleasure of interviewing, I taped an
interview with her in studio face to face a few
days ago, and I personally requested it because I think
she is a sensational actress.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
She truly, truly is.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
She stars on one of my favorite shows on Stars Itself,
Raisin Canaan PowerBook goes three. Raisin can She's fabulous. You
understand I'm saying Rock is no joke, you know, And
she's just Yes, she's one of Tony, Yes, she's one Awards.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yes, she.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
The believability of her character, how she portrays herself in that.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Role, how she changes.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
How she speaks normally to going into character, and to
do what she does the way that she does it,
depicting you know that time in the streets of New
York City the way that she does. I would know
because I grew up in the streets of New York
in the eighties. I can't say enough about her. Her

(39:46):
name is Petina Miller. You're gonna be hearing a lot
more about her in the future because she is simply sensational.
And it is my honor and privilege to share this
conversation that I had with her with the rest to y'all,
because she's worth it. Stephen A with Petina Miller face
to face in studio.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Check it out.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
My next guest is a Tony Award winning actress of
stage and screen. She stars on the long running stars
hit crime drama series PowerBook three, Raising Canaan, which has
been renewed for a fifth season. From what I'm told,
please welcome the marvelous ms Petina Miller.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
How are you? How's everything? This is a personal request.
There's a personal request.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I mean, you are here because I reached out to
my tail I said, look, get her on this show.
I want to talk to I mean, I'm usually not
an interviewing a bunch of actresses or whatever, but you
are special. I want you to know that I find
you to be one of the most marvelous actresses I've
ever witnessed in my life.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
It is an honor to see you. How you doing.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
I am so good, I'm even better now.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Thank you so much. I'm appreciated this.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
This I mean, raising Kanan is I mean, it's it's flowing,
it's got, it's really really good. I'm one of those
original Power guys.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
I never believe that I would like this show as
much as.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
But well, we've done our job.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
It's you.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Why is it so successful?

Speaker 6 (41:10):
I mean, I think what I I think it is.
It takes the formula from the original Power. I think
they're really interesting characters. They're three dimensional characters. The stakes
are very high. I mean, I think you know, we
all know canaan story, and so it's really interesting for
the audiences to come and take a look at our
show where you get to start at the beginning. You know,
you realize the different influences in Kanaan's life with how

(41:30):
he turns out, and that the helm of that is
this really amazing, dynamic, amazing crazy woman.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Now this this, this, this the scenery.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
What is this supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Is it supposed to be Queen's New York, Like it's
supposed to be south Side?

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Is it supposed to be Southage America? Queen?

Speaker 1 (41:48):
You know you're talking to a boy from How's Queens?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, so what you do because I'm like, wait a minute,
this is exactly how Yeah.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
Oh yeah, we have a great I mean I think
everybody's done there not I think I know that everybody's
done the work. So the acting for me personally is incredible.
But also our creative team, everyone who works on our
show really gives one hundred and twenty percent, and we
wanted to make the show as authentic and real as
we possibly could.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
So you know, we do shoot in Southside, Jamaica. We did.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
You know, we've sat, We've shot in like these big destinations,
and we've used New York as our playground.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
To tell this story. And I think people are attracted
to the.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Show because it is kind of like this time capsules,
like going back in time, and it feels just so
raw and authentic and really honest to the time.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
We were talking a lot about the time you see
a show like this, you think about a cap pin
in a cappin.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
It's a queen. This queen it's you what drew you
to the show?

Speaker 3 (42:48):
You know?

Speaker 6 (42:48):
I think so For me, I'm always trying to investigate
the truth of the character.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
What made the character really.

Speaker 6 (42:57):
Stand out for me or what wanted me mystified me
about the characters. A woman of Raquel's nature being in
this man's world, being a mother and being at the
top of this criminal enterprise. What makes a person want
to do the job that she's doing. How did the
person get there? They don't get there just because they

(43:18):
want to. They get there because it's the survival. And
so how has this woman come to this great you know,
holding the power that she has? And I was interested
in that and being a queen pin for me, you know,
that's that's kind of boring about I wanted to make
her interesting. I wanted her to be very interesting. I
didn't want to just be menacing.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
And how do you believe you've made Raquel interesting?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (43:43):
I've definitely well what I wanted, you know. I mean,
it was just her swagger, the way that she holds herself.
I think all of Raquel's choices of what she thinks
about power, just how much of a lioness she is
about her son and to the people in her family.
I think Raquel is very much family oriented. She's you know,

(44:04):
she loves her family. She's the matriarch of her family.
So she's holding it down. I know so many women
and who hold it down all the time, you know,
not because sometimes they want to, but because they have
to in this responsibility. And you know, she wants legacy,
and this is her way of creating some legacy. It's
what she's good at. She's good with numbers. If she

(44:26):
could be in somebody's office, maybe she would be in office,
and she had that opportunity, but she wasn't afforded that opportunity.
So she's someone who's making her way and getting what
was hers.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Well, let me tell you something right now. I'm gonna
I'm gonna, you know, listen, I'm not telling anybody because
I know they all sort of ready. But let me
tell you something right now. One of my favorite scenes.
I know you might not like this, but I like
when you killed that girl that betrayed you. I I
liked the girl and in a laundry now you helped
the outbe her man was beating up and all of
this stuff, and she she got big in bad and
you were like course correct, I mean you got to

(44:57):
make your I loved it.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
It was a beautiful scene. It was waveless.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Your relationship with the Canan character in the show, how
do you feel about that and how much do you
believe that's drawn in viewers?

Speaker 6 (45:11):
I think you know, I love First off, I think
Mackai Curtis is a wonderful human being. He is a
beautiful actor, and him and I have just had the
opportunity to have so much fun on screen and off
getting to know one another, really getting to go into
what this mother son relationship is, because it's a deep relationship,
and I think a lot of people can identify with

(45:32):
that kind of relationship.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
You know, it's not so simple.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
It's not a very simple relationship, and you know it
turns and it's always changing. And you know, in the beginning,
it was Kanan doing something because he wanted to protect
his mother. Then in turn, his mother making a lot
of crazy choices to protect her son. So they've both
been trying to protect each other in a way, and

(45:56):
then you find out all there's lies and there's betrayals,
and so it's how do you continue to how do
these things manifest?

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Right?

Speaker 6 (46:05):
Like a lie, a secret, and all these things, and
how much later, what damage is done, you know, even
if you're doing it out of something that you think
is necessary to protect him in the long run. But
their mother and son, and they're always fighting for the
love that they have, even though it looks like it's not,
They're always fighting for each other.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I have found myself captivated by that storyline. From this perspective,
especially when it comes to young black men, there are
very very few things that can be done to alienate
them from their mamas.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Right they love their mothers right this.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Where whereas with this story, even though it's clear that
he loves you, he ain't gonna let nobody else mess
with you but him himself.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
He gives you nothing but trouble.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Every time you turn around, his mouthing off at you,
he's hitting you back verbally, et cetera, et cetera. I
want to know that, as you continue to allow this
role to evolve, what your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Are about that imagery.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Because we usually think young black men and mama's and
they're linked, that's not necessarily the case in terms from
an ambiance perspective.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Pat you to on the show, you I think at
the end of the day, it really is.

Speaker 6 (47:15):
They do have a bond, right, and that bond will
continue to be tested and right now, within the trajectory
of the show, you've watched from seasons one through three,
and you're now watching in four, you're watching them navigate
a new relationship. You know, now, Canaan has to have
someone to blame for all of these things, and so
you always he always blamed the one of the closest
to you, right for all of these things.

Speaker 5 (47:35):
And so Raquel is strong enough to take it.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
She is you know, she's his She has to be
the mother and the father in this situation, and you
know she doesn't like it.

Speaker 5 (47:47):
She doesn't like that her son blames her for everything.

Speaker 6 (47:50):
All she wants is acceptance and love from him after
all of these crazy things, and so that that relationship
will continue to.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Change.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
How much of a.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Push was it for you to be that person as
a mom on this show, raising Canaan, and then to
go to the scene when you're with your brother who's
got the alcohol is shoes and was talking and contemplating
suicide and all this other stuff, and he's in there's
in the meetings and he's talking about you know what
you mean to him and what have you and how

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he didn't.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Feel like you cared and all of this other stuff.
What was that moment like for you?

Speaker 6 (48:27):
Well, I think for me, I always try to tack
my work with humanity. I always like to tack my
work with truth and honesty, and so there has to
be a way in to all of these different situations.
And for me personally, you know, I know what it's
like to be the child of a young mother, So
I know what that is, and I being raised by

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my mom, you know, her growing and me growing myself,
and then also having a sibling my brother rested in
peace to my brother who passed away recently.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
But my brother had issues.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
My brother had some demons, and so I know what
that's like to want something for a family member, wants something,
wants so much to like, yeah, change or want so
much for them to be better. And you know, so
taking all of my experiences that I've had in my
life that you know, I'm not a queen pin or anything,

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but I take all my experiences and I try to
get to the truth and the honesty of what the
character's trying to say. And so what Raquel is really
trying to say to Lou in that moment. First off,
it's see me as your sister. I don't need this
right now. My world has just come down. I've been
played by everyone around me. I'm having a terrible moment.

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Ease off me, you know. The second is when are
you going to realize you need me for everything?

Speaker 5 (49:52):
Right?

Speaker 6 (49:52):
Like? That's really it. She has to tell she has
to be honest with people. And I think it's the
best thing that she possibly could do is to people
will say that she's not honest, and yes, she made
a very bad decision with Canaan and his father, but
with her brother, it's just, you know, you don't get
to get out of this life because you want to
get out of this life.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
We are in this and we were supposed to be
in this together, and you need me for everything.

Speaker 6 (50:16):
And if you want to run a business, run the business,
but don't keep coming back to me. And so Raquel
has had to be this way in a way, she's
parenting her brother, you know, Lou, And then to see
how that affected him and to see how he turned
to all these things, then she has to look inwards
and say, like, you know, maybe that wasn't the right

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way to do it, or maybe lou is right about
some of the things that he said, And so they've
really had some come to Jesus moments with each other.
But that's what you do when you're family, right, You
fight like that, and we love each other at the
end of the day.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
It's all rooted in love.

Speaker 6 (50:52):
But family should be able to have difficult conversations with
each other and at the end of the day, it's
rooted in love.

Speaker 5 (51:00):
So that's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Tell an audience about Patina Miller. What is it that
we don't know that you would like people to know
about you other than the fact that you are I'm
going to repeat this a sensational actress.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Oh, thank you very much, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (51:20):
You know, I'm a little private. I really love people
know too much about me like that.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I ask that general question.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
You know what I do.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
I love to put myself in my work, and so
what I would want people to know about me that
I am a very sincere person. I am a very
loving person. I give my heart and soul and everything
that I do. You know, I'm a person who has
passion and for the things that I want and I

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put my heart and soul to everything that I that
I that I do, And maybe that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Is that you know, let me ask you this. You
start in a Broadway vit a little musical Pippin I did,
for which you won the Tony Award for Best Performance
by an Actress in a Leading Role in a Musical
at the sixty seventh Annual Tony Awards.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The show also won.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Best Revival of a Musical. The Great mister Ben Vereen
himself originated a role. Did you have any apprehension about
stepping into that role?

Speaker 5 (52:18):
Yes, I mean it's legendary.

Speaker 6 (52:21):
Ben Veren is an icon of the stage and what
he did with Pippin and who he is as a
performer and what that show was. Stepping into a role
like that, I was unsure of how it was going
to be taken. You know, first off, a woman playing
the part. You know, how am I going to.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
Mess it up?

Speaker 6 (52:38):
So there was a lot of this, Okay, people are
gonna come judging me, what is it going to be?
And then I said, you know what, I'm gonna just
put my own flavor on it. I'm gonna do my
own thing, and I'm gonna be Patina and bring what
Patina brings to it. And luckily that was very successful.
And I have something to remind me of that moment

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in my life.

Speaker 1 (53:01):
And I'm wondering, what do you believe that did for you?
Because obviously there was an apprehension, some mesitation, but you
did it anyway, and you were highly successful at doing it.
How does that want?

Speaker 2 (53:10):
How does that elevate one's confidence, particularly somebody like yourself,
when you embrace a challenge and you exceede beyond expectations.

Speaker 6 (53:19):
You know, I think it is trusting your gut. I
think it's okay to be nervous, and it's okay to
be scared. Like I always love to do things that
scare me. I don't want to do easy things. Wow,
nothing that's easy, you know, Like it's it's more to
me than getting a script reading my lines. What excites
me is really breaking down a script, you know, really

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getting deep into a character and figuring out who this
person is. Figure out how I can make the audience
at home, you know, make it so that they see
something within themselves or someone that they know through a character.
How can I make what my work what my work is?
How can I make it land for people who might

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be going through something right, like to see yourself in something.
That's what I would want as a viewer. And for me,
like I say, it's not just picking up a script,
but it's how can I go to as far as
I can go? And I had someone tell me early
in my career, don't be afraid to jump off the cliff,
and so that basically was just about not being afraid to.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Get to the edge. See that, like it's scary and
like who knows what?

Speaker 6 (54:24):
You know what's going to happen if you fall, But
it's just the freedom of getting out there and doing it.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
But do you go through that once you accept the
role or do you look at it and see if
there's a possibility it can make you feel that way?
Maybe the script before you accept.

Speaker 5 (54:40):
I think it's both. I think it's both.

Speaker 6 (54:42):
You have to see there has to be some sort
of a vision of like, oh my god, what could
I do with this? And so for me, the leading
player and Pippin was that way picking up the script
to read raising Kanaan and reading who Raquel was and
reading the show, I was like, oh my god, you know,
I got excite.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
So there's the excitement.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
Period first, and then there's the oh shit, okay, well,
how do I make this as alive and as good
as it possibly How can I make this something that
people don't want to take their eyes off of? How
can I make this as good as I possibly can?

Speaker 5 (55:16):
And that's scary.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
What gives you the best shot at pulling that off
stage film, television.

Speaker 5 (55:22):
It's my stage work.

Speaker 6 (55:24):
I will always credit my stage worth with my ability
to have a camera in front of my face and
act in emote and you know, go up and down
in all these different emotions and act with people in
front of a camera. Being on a stage is very different.
You know, it's an intimate house. What you see in

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what you see on stage when you come to see
a show, you and everyone else in there are the
only ones who will ever know what that performance was.
So there's something really sacred and real about theater which
is new every night. And so what makes that alive
and what makes it work for me my TV work
is I get I know what the feeling of being
able to try new things right because it's new every

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single night. Yeah, the words are the same, the actors are.
Sometimes the actors are not the same. Which is a
great thing too, but you're getting feedback from an audience
and you're in the room with them, and so it
makes your listening. It makes you really kind of holds
yourself in a way. You're really listening. Something might happen,
but it's how you keep going so your instincts. It
makes you sharp, It makes you listen, It makes you

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want to try things. So when you get on a set,
you know you've been there for sixteen hours and you're
playing with everyone and we have all these setups. You're
trying something new all of the time, and you can
try and get to the truth. In my opinion, what
I love about the work is that it's easier for
me to get to the truth of what I'm trying
to say with these characters.

Speaker 5 (56:50):
And does that make sense? Characters?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
I want to ask you, I mean, when you talk
about memorizing or remembering your lines, is that a gift?
Is it something that you develop along the way or
is it something that you have to be just entrenched in,
engrossed and you got to really really want it and
really feel it to embrace the true character of whatever
scripted for you.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
No, I think it's repetition. I think anyone can learn
how to examine a script and memorize lines. I think, yes.
I Over my career, I have gotten really good at
memorizing scripts very quickly, because I like to memorize just
enough so I know what I want to do, so
when I get into the room, I can be malleable

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as what they say, so that with the director wants
something different, I'm not stuck to a performance. I know
what the words are, but if someone wants to change something,
I'm I'm okay with that. So but the memorization is
just another technique in you know, training.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Where do you feel you are as an actress at
this particular point in your career in terms of what
you imagined for yourself and how you believe you are
in comparison to name no name in particular, but to
what the industry standard may label as elite.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Ah, well, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
I would never sit here and tell you that I'm elite,
but I will tell you that I am right where
I need to be. I have worked a long time.
I'm not new to this, you know. I've worked in
very different mediums. I've done different kinds of characters. You know,
The actor's dream is to be able to do work

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that you feel proud of, work that you can really
put yourself into and you know, not regretted, and just
have as much fun. So I'm having fun right now
in this season of my life. You know, these are
the dreams that I dreamt of as a young performer
of wanting to do. I never saw quite this part,

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you know, but I love that that my life has
sort of blossomed into this thing that I am now
able to do what I love to do on a
bigger platform. And I think that I'm just getting started.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
You on, Madam Secretary brought up Broadway. I'm thinking about
these things that you have done throughout your career. Do
you get concerned continue considering the success of raising Canan?
A lot of times I've spoken to actors and actresses
along the way, and they get concerned about being typecast
because something is so successful, that's all anybody will see

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you as.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Yeah, do you ever find yourself thinking about that at all?

Speaker 6 (59:34):
I think about it sometimes, But you know, I've been
very fortunate to play different kind of parts, you know,
Like I started in theater. You know, my first show
right out the bat was sister act. I played Whoope's part,
you know, I played it in London and on the
stage in New York City, you know, like I've done
Broadway work where I've done different things. I was a

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comedy you know, pipping called on a different set of
skills than I did into the world on Broadway as well,
so you know, I did period piece on PBS. So
I've done really different kinds of work. And I'm hoping
that people will see the entirety of my work and
not just one character. I'm very proud of Raquel. I

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think all of those different roles prepared me for this.
But I don't I don't worry about being typecast. But
the thing about me, if someone does try to typecast me,
then I just will switch it up, and I'll change
it up because you know, I never do what's on
the page anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
That's the thing that you do, is you do the opposite.
That's what makes it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Listen, I'm listening to you talk right now. You don't
sound like Roquel and raising k. You sound totally different. Wait,
how you get that accent?

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
But I can give you Raquel.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I know you can. I have no doubt about that.
But how you change your how you change your accent
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Because I'm a professional, I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
They can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I don't know about them, But.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Yeah, what's your aspirations from here?

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
My aspirations from here? I think I just want to
continue to do really grounded work. I want to work
with really good writers. I want to work with really
amazing directors who like taking chances, and who want to
work with really good actors. I am an actor that
cares a lot about the process, about the.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Entirety of, you know, the work. And I'm a dedicated actor.

Speaker 6 (01:01:20):
I think, you know, I happen to be friends and
very close with so many brilliant actors, and so I
pride myself on just being a part of that crew.
And so, yeah, I want to continue to do what
I'm doing. You know, another character that can do what.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
Raquel has done. I had no idea it would. I
mean I hoped it would. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
But listen, I know a lot of people, you know,
I mean, when you're acting, I want to know how
hard are you on fellow actors and actors mean that
you take it very very seriously, you know, with somebody
is not you know, if you want to set with
somebody is not whatever. What would you do in a

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situation where you're on a set with somebody, You're working
with somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
And they're not taking it as seriously as you would
like them to take it. How would you respond to that?

Speaker 6 (01:02:15):
Well, you know what, first off, it's not it's not
really my set, I think, I know, So what I
ask you for me? What I do is I continue
to do what I do all the time, which is
come prepared and stay stay prepared, and so uh it
really forces. Fortunately, I gotta say, I don't really work
with those people. So you know, I've been very, very

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lucky to work with some really talented actors people actors
who show up every day. Like you know, how lucky
am I to worked with London Brown, Makai Curtis, you know,
Malcolm you know we we Malcolm Mays like we are
a really amazing team. And then we got Wendell Pears
and Tony Danza. I don't know what that's like, right,
Like our cast is the cast that comes, and they comes,

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they come prepared.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
So I gotta tell.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
You, you know, I'm no actor, but I appear in
general hospital. You know, I've been in soap opera. You
know what I'm saying. I'm at a general hospital. I'm
gonna be on lawn order May eighth. I ain't an act.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
There, I go right there, there, I go right there.
I mean, I'm trying to look the part. I'm trying
to play it off. I'm trying to play it off right.
I'll tell you a quick story.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I actually had to have an operation on my knuckles
last year because even though I don't pride myself in
being an actor my show on ESPN First Take, my
sports show. I mean when they say first take, it
really is, I pride myself on getting it right the
first And this one scene, this particular day, I had

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seven different scenes between a seven different scenes and scene six.
For some reason, I could not remember the lunch to
save my life, and I got so mad. I punched
the bag, but I didn't know that the bag it
was in a gym, and I didn't know that the was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
A prop filled with bricks. Oh, and I broke.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
My knuckles and had to get operated on on on
at HSS Hospital for special surgery. Just last because I
broke my damn knuckles because I can't remember my line.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Because all I was thinking about was they had to
redo the seas six times. And all I could think
about is I'm holding up the entire the entire souse.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
You cared because.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I can, because that's how you would have took it.
Because I cared.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
Yeah, because you cared.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I'm gonna take that. I'm gonna take that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Before I let you get on out here, let me
ask you about this too. I mean, because I understand
you're an avid runner. Yes, and you performed the national
anthem at the start of the twenty twenty three New
York City Marathon before completing the race.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Yes, is that true? It's unfortunately true.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I mean, listen, I love fortunately you can run and
you could sing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeh.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
But I don't know if we do those together. Listen.
I think it's a It's so amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:51):
That I was able to do that, and I really
am so thankful to New York road Runners for asking
me to be a part of it, and like, singing
was the most amazing thing.

Speaker 5 (01:04:59):
But I don't know why I chose to like run
run too, you know what you're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Saying, Yeah, because it took some of the.

Speaker 5 (01:05:05):
Breathway I probably should have waited, like a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
You know, I'm not gonna say I'm gonna be calind
I'm not gonna ask you when we finished. I'm gonna
leave at all.

Speaker 5 (01:05:12):
Oh, I know I finished, you finished up, but you finished.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
I was gonna ask why, But I'm not gonna do that.
But your four hours, Yeah, that's not bad.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
It's not bad at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
That's not bad at all.

Speaker 5 (01:05:21):
It's not bad at all now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
And it's pretty damn cook.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay, I'm getting faster, faster.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
We'll see too. She's an athlete too. Okay, before I
let you get on out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
As we sit here right now thinking about the industry,
I'm off I'm often curious as to the changing times digital,
you know, see streaming, how it's affected business in.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Hollywood, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
People look at that and they talk about how the
industry has changed, not as much work as it used
to be. But I'm looking at all of these outlets
and I'm saying, wait a minute, it could be more.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
What's your opinion about all of those things in terms
of the climate that we're living in right now and
what folks need to do in your profession to stay
afloat and if not as sand considering the times that
we're living. I'm talking about just the way the industry
has changed.

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
I mean, the think about it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:11):
The industry changes all the time, you know what I mean,
Like we there was a writer strikes before, and like
there's always something so like we're just in a season
that things are changing and we're just trying to get
used to and navigate this new world. You know, like
everybody's trying to get used to what it is now.
And I think it's just staying the course, you know,

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staying ready, partnering with people and and and writing.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
And you know, I always you know, because I come
from the theater.

Speaker 6 (01:06:43):
It's being with your friends and creating and you know,
stay creating. You know, for me, that looks like, you know,
being with my writer friends and talking about show different
show ideas or singing and you know, gigging. We call
it writing. And so you just continue to stay ready

(01:07:04):
for when the opportunity comes. I think, you know, is
it perfect, No, it's not perfect. I think we don't
really know what it's gonna be. But we just have
to figure out how to make it the best for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
So I need a favor, don't die on the show.
We need you. You understand I want this show to continue.
This is season five. I need six seven eight, That's
what I need. I was talking about the show. I
was about the show, about the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I'm talking about the show. Absolutely, I was talking about
the show. You can't go and you can't go anywhere
even I remember when we watched you watch Kyan. Later
on Mama had passed away. We don't need that problem,
you said, get rich do trying the movie. You know
it alluded to Mama passed. No, we don't need that.
We need you around.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
You're gonna be around. That's what we need, the Tina.
And then I'm just all I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:07:58):
Saying, we'll see you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
It's power after all, who knows nobody's safe?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
That is true. That that is what makes the show
the wonderful. The incomparable Patina Miller right here on The
Stephen Eate Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Be sure to check out all four seasons of Power
Book three Raising Canaan, available to stream on Stars.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Thank you so much it was for having.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Me than I really appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
She's special.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Thanks again. The Patina Miller just can't thank you enough.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Listen before we get out of here, I'd be remiss
neglecting to discuss the met gala that took place.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Monday night in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
The theme of the met gala was Black dandyism. And
for those of you who don't know, black dandyism is,
according to one of my producers who wrote this up
for me, because I didn't know, I didn't know how
to define it per se, But black dandyism is a
cultural movement where black individuals use fashion and personal style,

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rooted in the historical tradition of European dandyism, as a
form of self expression in a way to challenge societal limitations.
It's a way to reclaim agency a certain individuality and
even act as a form of resistance against negative stereotypes
and racihoe prejudices. So I'm looking at the theme here
and I don't know what to say about these.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I mean, who is this right here? Who is this?

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
That was Diana Ross? This is for Pharrell, uh with
what I believe his lady this is Nicki Minaj Okay,
I see, I see the outfit. I see the outfit.
I like that, I like I like how she looks there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I don't know what to say about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
I mean, Rihanna, she's pregnant, obviously, again she looks gorgeous.
But we see that these are the kind of outfits
that were or worn by a lot of our ancestors,
no doubt about that. So they're living up to it,
the accuracy of it, all, right there, who's that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
That's Kim. That's Kim k that's Kim k Okay. I mean,
not not bad. That's not bad at all. I'm not
gonna have anything negative said about that. Andre three thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Check this brother out with a piano on his back
or something that looks like a piano. Now do I
think that's ultimately ridiculous, Yes, but not for him because
he's a musician. And because he's a musician, I get it.
And he put out a piano album yesterday, so I
get it. I understand it. Major props to him and
just bringing attention to what he's doing. So there's nothing
wrong with that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Carrying music on his shoulders and stuff weight of the
music industry on his back, that's what's implying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
That's what it's implying. I get all of that. I
understand that. So I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
The outfits are very unique. Now, this is Diana Ross.
I mean, she's ageless.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
We get that. But I mean that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Lot to carry around. I mean, my goodness. You know,
I often wonder what the hell would I wear? I
can't even think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
That's what Donna. I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Okay, okay, the outfit. I mean, you know, it's not
like a virgin, but I get it. You know what
I'm saying. You know, you know it's not saying that
Anna went to with Colon Domingo and Louis Hamilton.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
I like, I mean, for a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Met galla that that seems pretty fly. I like the
Lewis Hamilton. I would have rocked the Lewis Hamilton outfit.
Knowing me, I would have rocked something like that. Uh,
I wanted to rock.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
The other stuff. That's just not how I roll. I mean,
that's just not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Me, even though I mean, look good, this is bad
bunny with the hat and I got it. Now fit
the gloves, I see it. He ain't trying to be
Michael Jackson, but he's saying Michael Jackson's the only one
that had.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
To wear gloves. Card Rest of Soul, I get that. Part.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
All right, that's about it, ladies and gentlemen. That's me
commenting on the met Galla. I don't know to I mean,
I know how I look in the fashion that I rock,
you know, but this other extra stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I know, I mean, that's beyond my scope.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Okay, but I know what looks good and what doesn't,
what looks excessive and what doesn't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
Diana Ross look good but excessive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Then again, she's always been that way, but major primes
to her, you know what I'm saying. I mean, I
got it. I've been invited to the met Gala about
three times. I've never gone. I've never had a desire
to go. Or my producer doesn't know when to shut
the hell up because now he crossed the line. You
gotta go, sit back, you go, okay. I don't feel

(01:12:36):
like going. Okay, this is not these people. You know,
you go too far once again, talking too much. I'm
not going. I have had no desire to go mac Gala,
you know, just not my flavor, you know. But they
always happen it during the NBA playoffs, So I guess
the invite isn't really authentic because they know I can't go,
you know, because I'm too busy, So maybe they send

(01:12:58):
the invite to say they invited me and I couldn't go,
knowing I couldn't go because I have obligations, but it
is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
I'm not going. I'm not going. Here's my issue though,
before I get on out of here, I don't appreciate
the fact that spike Lee was there. Y'all met the
Knicks playing. What the hell were you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Doing at the mc gala. Damn the mcgala. They don't
come before the Knicks. Very disappointed with spike Lee, very
disappointed should have been there, but they did win without you,
So maybe you should stay away for Game two and
if they lose games, if Boston loses Game two by

(01:13:40):
some miracle, because I don't think it's gonna happen, if
the Knicks come back to the Garden, or when the
Knicks come back to the Garden this week for game three,
if they've won the first two games and spike Lee
wasn't in attendance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Then you can't come for game three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Because that means you the Jinks. If they lose, we're
all gonna know it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
You wouldn't have had that problem if you had showed up.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
But then again, black dandyism was the theme, and being
in a historical individual and a proud black man that
Spike Lee is.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
He actually thought that was more important than the Knicks
and he's right, so I guess I can forgive him,
but he better not show off a game two in
the Knicks loose.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
That's all I'm gonna say. That's it for this edition
to the Steph Nicksmith Show. I hope you all enjoyed
the show. I gotta get on out of here for
the next few days, but i'll be back with you
before the week is up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Until then, everybody, I'm signing off peace and love. Take
care of yourself. God bless

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