Full Show: Stephen A takes on Black right wing conservative Brandon "The Officer" Tatum.

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let me move on and get to the subject at hand,
because we've got to get started with the story that
crosses both sports and politics. We'll get into the NBA
playoffs a little bit later. I got my man, Officer Tatum,
a right wing conservative voice out there who happens to

(01:38):
be a black man, speaking very very directly about a
lot of political issues. I'll get into him a little
bit later, but we're gonna start here with a mixture
of sports and politics. Like I articulated, the Philadelphia Eagles
went to the White House on Monday to celebrate the
Super Bowl victory with President Donald Trump. The trip is
a time honored trip that most teams make upon winning

(02:02):
a championship. However, not everyone with the team or organization
makes the trip for whatever reason. That's for the Philadelphia Eagles,
not everyone made the trip, including Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts.
Others not in attendance included wide receivers aj Brown and
Devonte Smith, linebacker Zach Bonne, defensive ends Brandon Graham and
Josh Sweat, and defensive tackle tackled Jalen Carter. Running Back

(02:26):
Saquon Barkley did attend the ceremony, and President Trump had
this to say about the Eagles star running back.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Take a listen, and by the way, I have to
tell you something. I was with the Giants and the
head coach and some people, and I said, do anything
you have to, but don't lose Saquon.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
They lost Sequon.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
That was not good.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
I called that one that was That was an easy
one to call because he played damn well for the Giants.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
I can tell you that Saquan's appearance didn't sit well
with comedian and talk show host Deo Believe. Take a
listen to what Dale had to say about Barkley and
other black people who visit the White House in general,
particularly the Trump White House.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Fourteen players said, H'm gonna boycott this.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Who side are you on?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
I think that it's not just political what Donald Trump
has done and is doing to Black history is as
onsavory and is undeniable.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
Donald Trump is deliberately.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
Trying to erase black people's history for whatever quest. He's
elevating Christopher Columbus again. So he deliberately is doing things
to black people that isn't just political, and any black
man that does it is going to obviously catch some
level of heat. When a black person does it, I
can always when it's a black person, I can always
tell what kind of black person.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
I can always tell what.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
That Oo wait, what does that mean?

Speaker 5 (03:47):
Dial say Kwan Barkley, he had a girlfriend that threw
around the N word a lot and said she wasn't
a gold digger and she she wasn't messing with no
broke in words, he looks like that kind of guy
that is indifferent to what black people go through. It's
just true, and I think all I've noticed that to
be consistent with a lot of black people show up,
they have a shoe booty affect to him.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Here's what Sakuon Barkley posted on x to critics of
his appearance at the White House, quote, laugh out loud,
some people are really upset because I played golf and
flew to the White House with the President. Maybe I
just respect the office. Not a hard concept to understand.
Just golfed with Obama not too long ago, and look

(04:28):
forward to finishing my round with Trump. Now you get
out my mentions with all this politics and have an
amazing day.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
End quote.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Saquon Barkley wouldn't have been as flippant as Saquon Barkley,
but I understand his underlying point. Ladies and gentlemen, We've
got to be bigger than that. I'm not here to
in soda or castigate DL Hughley in any way. I
think that he's a sensational comedian who's made us laugh

(04:59):
for many, many years. Kings of Comedy and d. L.
Hugly Show on ABC come to mind. He's done outstanding
work throughout the years. He is smart, he is shocked,
he is thoughtful, he is conscientious, and I think overall
he's a good brother. He has been critical of me
in the past. I do not care. He is entitled

(05:21):
to his opinion and we are entitled to disagree with
what we have to disagree with. But in this particular instance,
I think he has to be bigger than that. Sakwon
Barkley is a football player the Philadelphia Eagles won the championship.
Trump is somebody he's played golf with, just like former
President Barack Obama is somebody he's played with. Everybody is

(05:41):
not into politics the way somebody like a D. L.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Hugley is.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Everybody is not paying attention to every policy that's put
out there, every executive order that's issued, or.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Whatever the case may be. Everybody's not doing that.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Some people go about the everyday rigamaro of their lives,
and to them, ignorance is bliss.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Not calling Saquon.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Ignorant in any stretch of it, by any stretch of
the imagination. But to some people, ignorance is bliss. They
want to go about the business of doing their everyday
job because they know they have no control over the
apparatus and the system that's in place.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're not going to change it.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So they're not trying to live their life with everything
being a protest.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
That's their position.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We might not like it, but in the same breath,
they're entitled to do so, and they should be able
to do so.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Without us looking down on them. To get to DL.
Hughley's points, directly.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Stigmatizing black folks saying you know who they are, you
know who they are, and using that example to describe
Saquon BLACCLEI. I'm not saying she's a gold digger, but
she ain't messing with no broke. Really, that's what we're doing,
because why what evidence do you have that that's how
they think. I can give you a myriad of issues

(06:59):
that affect people's thinking. Some people are about money, and
they think money changes everything. Some people look at politicians
as just speaking and running their mouths okay, and really
really just you know, politicizing things and grandstanding. Some people
look at politicians and they say, okay, you're willing to

(07:20):
say one thing, but you're willing to work across the
isle and make things happen. Some people look at politicians
and say, you can't believe a damn thing they say
on either side of the aisle, because most of them
are bought and paid.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
For in a lot of people's eyes.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
People bring that stuff up all the time. Some people
are more politically conscientious than others. In DL Hughley's case,
some would even describe him as an activist in this
day time, and we know his positions. Donald Trump questioned

(07:57):
Barack Obama's birthright legitimacy. Donald Trump is against black people.
This is what d O Hugly has said before. He
doesn't have our interests at heart at all. Some people
could turn around and look at Dial Hugly and say, well,
if black folks are giving the Democratic Party eighty five
to ninety percent of the vote, when do you expect

(08:20):
the other the politician on the other side of the
hollycare because they're going to cater it in a constituency
whoever's going to get them into elected office.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
But more importantly than that, let me get.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Or rather bring this home for everybody to understand.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Common sense has to kick in.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
When I thought about what do O Hugly said, I
thought about what he would think about me. As an
ambassador for HBCU week led.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
By this wonderful, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Woman by the name of Ashley Christopher based out of Delaware,
we've collaborated and assisted one another in raising nearly one
hundred million dollars in scholarships for over twelve thousand students
at HBCUs. If we're hearing reports that the federal government

(09:15):
may diminish funds that were being.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Allocated to HBCUs.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
And Trump invited somebody like myself to come to the
White House and have a conversation with him.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I'm not supposed to do that. I'm supposed to ignore it.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm supposed to look at his position at Dee on DEI.
I'm supposed to look at him closing the borders. I'm
supposed to look at his positions with tariffs. I'm supposed
to look at him trying to disband off not eradicate
the Education Department. I'm supposed to look at him saying
I'm not about the funding the police. I'm supposed to
look at him and say, you know what, I questioned

(09:53):
his his vitrial towards black lives matter, et cetera, et cetera.
And as a result, I'm supposed to not go to
the White House. I'm supposed to not do what I
can to try to influence him in making a difference.
See when I think about DL Hughlely, and I think
about this highly intelligent and accomplished brother who has a

(10:15):
voice and who could possibly, in an all likelihood impact
very formidable lives. I think about that Dl hughgly and
I say to myself, why would you cut off your
knees to spite your face or cut off your nose
to spite your face.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Why not keep an open mind?

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Why not leave yourself open to the possibility that you
can communicate with the very people whose actions you may
abhor on a political in a political spectrum, because guess what,
you may have the impact to create change and to.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
Create a difference for them. And why do I.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Bring that up Because one of the things that I've
been lamenting for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen, I've
never met Jasmine Crockett. I'm looking forward to talking to
her and having her on this show. I've never met AOC.
I'm not opposed to having her on the show. Now,
I don't want to listen interview Senator Elizabeth Warren because
I don't want to feel like the second I disagree
with her, I'm going to hell. That's my only problem
with the Senator Elizabeth Warren. If you disagree with her,

(11:09):
she makes you feel like you're going to hell, like
you have no heart, no soul, no conscience. I'm not
dealing with somebody like that. But if you're passionate about
what you feeling, where you stand, and you got facts
to back it, up.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Even with your emotions.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Coupled with that, I'm all for listening to what you
have to say. Here's my problems with the Democrats. Here's
my problems with what D. L. Hewley came across. Like,
I've heard politicians on Capitol Hill saying I'm here just
to disagree and oppose every damn thing Trump wants to do.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Well, why are you up on Capitol Hill?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Ain't you supposed to be figuring out what you want
to be against and what you could potentially be for.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Isn't he known as a deal maker?

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Hasn't he been, whether it's revered or insulted as a
non politician?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Has in he been?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Somebody that gives you the impression if you're complimentary towards
him about some things that he does, and you're willing
to sit down and talk with him, he will sit
up there and appease you, just the way he would
ask you to appease him. If you're not willing to
talk and work across the island.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Capitol Hill, what the hell are you up there for?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
So that is what came to my mind. You have
to work with people. People you dislike, people you disagree with.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
People who you know in your core, at your core
do not have you, nor your communities, nor your constituency's best.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Interest at heart, you still have to work with them.
If Cuoma wins the mayoral seat in New York City,
Andrew Clmo, you think he's not gonna try to work
with the Trump White House. Josh Shapiro is the governor
of Pennsylvania. Wes Moore is the governor of Maryland. You
think they're not going to try to work with Trump
and his White House to get things done, even though

(12:58):
they're going to speak against them on certain issue. You
can't have this closed door, closed minded, resolute belief that
allows you the excuse to remain stagnant, therefore ineffective in
doing your job. That's my issue with politicians, and I
think it's important if you're Do Hugly with a voice

(13:24):
that resonates to many many people, that no matter how
you feel, you keep an open mind about the possibility
of communicating, just so you can make a difference because
you never know where that difference may come from.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
That's all I wanted to say about that.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I'll leave the rest to do O Hugly. Who I'm
going to invite on this show. And certainly my next
guest who had something to say about it.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
All.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
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Speaker 2 (14:49):
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Speaker 1 (14:53):
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Speaker 2 (14:55):
He didn't have a good game in game you know,
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(15:16):
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Speaker 2 (15:32):
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(15:52):
on his home turf four Game six, I think he's
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Speaker 4 (15:56):
Jess.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
He's had og Ananobi on him, who's done a really,
really good job against them. But eventually it'll wear you down,
and obviously they switch and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
I think you'll score.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
More than twenty seven and a half points in this game,
no doubt. But finally, well Detroit, Tobias Harris scored more
or less than fifteen and a half points. I'm gonna
go with more. He usually scores a lot of his
points early as opposed to late, but for some reason
the Knicks have been letting him score early. I think
that will continue. Plus, Tobias Harris is no scrub.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
He can play.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
His problem is not an absence of a game. It's
an absence of aggression when he needs to be aggressive.
That's his issue. But I like the brother and I
think he's gonna score. So bottom line is to recap
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(16:42):
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Speaker 1 (16:46):
You feel me.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Joining me now to discuss this is a conservative political commentator,
an author, a radio personality, and he has a strong
following on you who, by the way, I think is
escalated over three point four million subscribers. By the way,
ladies and gentlemen, He's a former college football player and
former police officer who is the host of the hit
show The Officer Tatum. Please welcome Brandon Tatum aka the

(17:16):
Officer Tatum to the Steven Asmith Show. What's that Big Time?
How are you man? Nice to finally meet you. How's everything?

Speaker 7 (17:22):
I'm blessed man, God is good man, and I'm really
excited to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Man. Please, the pleasure is all mine.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
Man.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Even though listen, there have been times when you've been
critical of me. It's okay. I could take it, Devin.
If I'm wrong, tell me. I'm wrong. It's no big deal, right,
But before I even get into this interview, I need
you to tell me why do people try you physically?

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I mean, I just pointed out that you're a football player,
former football player, police officer, But yet you got some
fools out there that be trying you physically. I would
I can understand if they came at me, What the
hell are they thinking about coming at you?

Speaker 7 (17:59):
Oh man? You know, stephen A really to be honest
and public. People never say anything to me. You know,
a couple of non binarias on the campus of UC
Davis decided to lose their mind, which I bet they
will never do that again. However, most people, when they
see me in person, they realize I'm six eighty. They
don't want nothing to do with me.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
I would imagine, So, I would imagine. So let me
get to a more.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Civilized situation right now, because obviously you heard me a
little bit earlier talking about DL Hughley, and before I
ask you about him, I wanted to make sure you
heard exactly what he had to say. In the aftermath
of Sakwon Barkley, the star running back for the Super
Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles electing to go to the White House,
and what d L hugely had to say about him

(18:44):
or anybody else who happens to be black, they would
think about going to the White House. Listen to DL
Hughley talking on TMZ earlier.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Check this out. Fourteen players said, I'm gonna boycott this.

Speaker 6 (18:55):
Who side are you on? I think that it's not
just political.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
What Donald Trump has done is doing to Black history
is a savory and it is undeniable.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
Donald Trump is deliberately.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
Trying to erase black people's history for whatever quest. He's
elevating Christopher Columbus again.

Speaker 6 (19:14):
So he deliberately is.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
Doing things to black people that isn't just political.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
And any black man.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
That does it is going to obviously catch some level
of heat. When a black person does it, I can
al when it's a black person.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
I can always tell what kind of black person. I
can always tell with that.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
OOA wait, what does that mean?

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Dial?

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Say Kwon Barkley, he had a girlfriend that threw around
the N word a lot and said she wasn't a
gold digger and she she wasn't messing with no broke
in words, he looks like that kind of guy that
is indifferent to what black people go through.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
It's just true, and I think all every.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I've noticed that to be consistent with a lot of.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
Black people show up, they have a shoe booty affect
to them.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
You heard what DL Hugely had to say right there.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
You are a Republican, you have been on the record,
you are a supporter of Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
You heard what Yo Hughley had to say. Your thoughts.

Speaker 7 (20:03):
First of all, Deal Hughey has been historically one of
my favorite comedians.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
I love the huge But I don't know what he
didn't done.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
I don't know he bumped his head or something, but
he has lost his mind and it's a shame that
he has to go down the path of racism. You know,
I've I've met Donald Trump several times. I've been to
the White House several times. Actually, Donald Trump met my
dad at the UFC fight not too long ago, and
my dad didn't even vote for Trump. So Donald Trump
isn't what they're projecting him to be. But also the
racism that exists amongst black people. Why is d Or Hugly,

(20:33):
who claimed to be a pro black man, hating and
talking down on another brother just because you decide to
love a woman that happened to not be black. Don't
mean you a sellout and you don't understand the black struggle.
And Chakwin Barkley, who's a rational adult who wants to
play football and enjoy his life. And don't have to
have a problem with Donald Trump because everybody said he does.

(20:53):
I mean he went and got for Donald Trump. He
was flying on a you know, marine one with Donald Trumps.
What's the problem with that? Unless you're a race you
hate white people, you shouldn't have a problem with a
brother loving a white person or brother supporting a president
just for the sake of him being the commander in chief.
And DA hugely just he bothers me so much because

(21:14):
I just don't like what he says about black people
generally speaking.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
But I can go on forever about it.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
What did you think about what he had to say
as it pertained to Trump and the administration essentially trying
to eradicate black history, you know, basically, you know, whatever initiatives,
executive orders, there's a lot of things that we can
point to that people have believed that's what he was doing.
What do you make of that and what Trump has
done since he's been in office.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
I think it's absolutely asinine to suggests that Donald Trump
is trying to raise black history.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
That's the craziest thing ever.

Speaker 7 (21:46):
Dia Hughey don't have any evidence whatsoever to make a
claim like that, other than having Trump Derangement syndrome. Donald
Trump in his first term, he gave permanent funding to HBCUs.
Donald Trump literally had every HBCU president in the over
office talking to him about things that they can do to.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Improve Black universities.

Speaker 7 (22:04):
Donald Trump the operations zones, and I mean you can
go down the list in all the things that he's
done that help black in the black community. The people
that has been a part of his administration is Byron
Donald's all sellout. Is Clarence Thomas a sellout? I mean
all of these other.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
People Clarence Thomas off to say them. You know, some
people would say that about Clarence Thomas. They do feel
like Clarence.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Thomas has been one of those individuals that has no
interest in pushing.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Forth a black causes at all.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
That has been said about him for decades that the
law is because.

Speaker 7 (22:34):
And it's because of black people who inherently are in
their consciousness or racist individuals because they don't like Clarence
Thomas because he got a white woman. But let me
tell you this, I bet you a million dollars you
wont see Dal Hugely talking about Bubba Wallace, the NASCAR
driver that get the fake hoax with the News. He
had never hear him talk about him because he's willing

(22:55):
to say all this activist stuff that he's not really
believing in.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
But he got a white woman.

Speaker 7 (23:00):
So Deal Hugly is inconsistent with his projection against black people.
I'll just say this, Black people cannot exist in America
isolating themselves in a cocoon with other black people who,
to be honest, hate on them more than white people do.
And Deal Hugley is a perfect example of it. Why
won't you uplift your brothers? Why won't you celebrate the

(23:21):
brothers that got invited to the White House that won
the Super Bowl? Why wouldn't you because you just don't
like Donald Trump? And I guarantee you'd never hear Dal
Huglely say anything negative about Donald Trump before he became
a Republican president. That's why I don't have no respect
for these dudes. And then I'll tell you this steven,
and they don't never talk about the thugs in our community.

(23:42):
They never talk about the problems, I mean consistently talk
about the ailments that are in our community. Talk about,
you know, abortions that go on our community higher than
anywhere else in the country. They don't talk about the
murder rate in our community is hider than anywhere else
in the country. They don't talk about the education system
that has failed black people. They don't talk about these
politicians that put in le aliens before they put black people.

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Look at Brandon Johnson in Chicago, billions of dollars spent
on illegal aliens. Won't spend a dime on black folks.
Look at Barack Obama, he came from Chicago. Can't name
me not one policy that benefited black folks, especially not
in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (24:17):
So deal hugely won't talk about these brothers. They they won't.
They won't talk about these.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
These hoodwinking uh uh snake or salesmen that are that
are acting like they're activists, for instance, Reverend Al Sharpton.
These people are the most disingenuous individuals I've ever seen
in my life. They can go on a on a
boycott of Target, not realizing that there's black people that
got product in Target. So why would you boycott Target?

(24:43):
And in the black communities where black people work at
the Target. How about we stop wasting energy being victims
and start supporting black people. Have a have a march
to support black businesses, where we spend our money in
black businesses, where we put our money in black banks,
where we send our kids to black universities.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Steven A.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
You know why you would never see them do that
because they wouldn't dare put their money in a black bank.
They wouldn't dare send their kids to black universities. And
dal hughgl and the rest of them won't dare live
in a black neighborhood. Ask Steven ate where he live at.
I get you. I guarantee you we look it up.
He liveing around number of white folks. So this is
why I don't believe these people and why they're detrimental

(25:21):
to black people in America.

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Speaker 2 (26:22):
What I would challenge you on Officer Tatum, and I
respect the hell out of you on where you're coming from.
I don't agree with everything you said, but let me
say this, A lot of the litnear things that you
labeled in terms of problems that exist in our community,
problems that exist in our country.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
You're absolutely right on point. I'm not here to challenge
that at all.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I loved the last part that you made about how
they were so focused on immigration, they was so focused
on world culture and cancel culture that they forgot about
black folks along the way to folks on the left.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
I totally agree with you about that. I've been decrying
that for the longest time.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
And when I think about DL Hughley, I've said this
before you came on the show today. I'm like, listen,
you can't sit up there and talk mess about somebody
right and then expect them to do business with you.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
You've got to be willing to compromise.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You got to be willing to cross to our figuratively
speaking in his case, because he's not a politician. You
got to be willing to work. He can't be about
denigrating the President for every damn thing, Like there isn't
a single thing that he says that.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
He doesn't do right. Everything he says is it wrong,
Everything he says isn't off kilter.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Some things he said he does have a point about.
There's no question about that, I push back on you
when you try to lay like somebody like a DL.
Hughgley when he pointed out how Obama Trump challenged his nationality,
his sisters, whether he was born in the United.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
States or not or not.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Let's not forget that when we point to issues, when
we talk about how what have they done for us?
Or what hasn't been done for us? When we see
a guy like Clarence Thomas and others, you speak against
affirmative action, but you benefited from affirmative action. When we
hear Trump come into office and literally a playing collides
with a helicopter and he's blaming DEI with no evidence whatsoever,

(27:59):
and the meritocracy of something or the merits of something,
and all of those kind of things are taking place.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
We do find ourselves, and I think D. L.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Hughley is absolutely entitled to find himself uncomfortable with some
of the things that he is seeing. You see, he
might have gone too far by saying what he said.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I think he did. Anybody that goes.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
To the White House, anybody there that communicates with Trump,
I think that's I think that's beyond the pale. But
him being skeptical him questioning some things. I don't think
that's off kilter. Officer Tatum, I don't.

Speaker 7 (28:30):
Well, stephen A. If his skepticism was genuine, I agree.
My father has skepticism of Donald Trump and things that
are genuine. My dad is a good man and he's
acting in good faith, and he don't hate white people.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
How do you know it's not genuine.

Speaker 7 (28:42):
I think he has a big issue and he hates
white people deep down in and soul, and that's why
everything white people do, he has a criticism. When white
people get in a shooting against black people, he has
a criticism. I guarantee you I haven't seen his take
on the kid in Dallas that stabbed the young man
in the heart. I guarantee he took the side of
the black man. Let's go back to the birth. The
birther Is argument about the validity of a Barack Obama's

(29:06):
birth certificate started with Hillary Clinton, and there was a
whole bunch of other politicians outside of Donald Trump. Donald
Trump piggybacked off of things that people had already established.
Dal Hugley, I mean, we can go down a list
of all the other things that you said. His skepticism
of policy what policy is he referring to that Donald
Trump is doing this against black people.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Last time I checked.

Speaker 7 (29:25):
Building the economy helps build black people's pocketbook, Last time
I checked. When you're talking about immigration and getting all
these illegal aliens out of our country, spending tax payer dollar,
black people pay taxes that helps and benefits the black community.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
When you think about.

Speaker 7 (29:40):
Clarence Thomas, this is a black man who worked his
way up and decided that we do not need affirmative
actions because it discriminates against all people. It discriminated against
black people because there are black people who qualified that
are not necessarily associated with this affirmative action thing. You know,
they may have a family that come from a good family,
a good household, and they're not associated with getting a

(30:01):
handout because their parents did the work and their parents
put them in a position where they're not consider lower
income or people who benefit from a furnive action. But also,
it's time for us to move forward. We can't keep
living in the past. Stephen A, I mean, my god,
I just saw a movie that came out called Centers.
I haven't watched it, but the preview of the movie

(30:22):
and some of the dialogue around the movie is another
movie projecting black people in the nineteen thirties, and it's
the white man against the black man.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
When are we going to stop this mess?

Speaker 7 (30:35):
You know, the underground railroads proliferation and success didn't come
from just black people. There were good white people who
never owned slaves, who never had nothing to do with slavery,
who risked their lives to help Harriet Tubman get black
people to freedom. In the history of this country, there
has always been good white people that have done positive
things to affect change that benefited black people. Now, there

(30:57):
have been racists, there have been knuckleheads, but generally speaking,
in the totality of circumstances, in the American experience, there's
nowhere else on planet Earth black people can go and
benefit and prosper and have a level of success than
in the United States of America. And there are so
many corporations and so many lenders and investors that are

(31:20):
white that have propelled black people to a level of
success that we've never seen before. I mean, stephen A,
your contract is very handsome, and I don't think that
they're treating.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
You improperly because you black. It's because you've earned it.
It's because you.

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Went years of being consistent, speaking your mind, taking the heat,
and then you getting paid.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
My response to that would be, that's true. I'm very,
very fortunate, but I went through a lot before I
got to this point, and it took me significantly longer
to achieve what others who look differently than me might
have captured sooner. But I do get your point because
I don't sit there and look back, and I don't

(32:06):
view every white person as racist, and I don't view
every policy as racist. A matter of fact, one of
the reasons I've never felt that way about Donald Trump
in terms of racism, Nazis and all of this other
stuff is because I knew him before he ran for office,
and I knew a whole bunch of us that knew
him before he ran for office, and we never said
that stuff about him.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Neither did Oprah. Now that did a whole bunch of
other people.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
There was a whole bunch of people communicating with Donald Trump,
befriending Donald Trump, socializing with Donald Trump, and we never
had any problem. So I view him as somebody that's
catering to a constituency because he knew he wasn't gonna
win the left, he wasn't gona win the Democratic nomination
because that was going to Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
They would have made sure he didn't win that.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
So he went the other side, and he, being a businessman,
is willing to negotiate.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
His way through anything. That's how I view him. But
that's just me. I want to get to you in
this regard Officer Tatum.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
You talked about your dad and how he didn't vote
for Donald Trump. Are you a lifelong Republican or are
you somebody that was a Democrat that transitioned to being
a Republican because of the things that you've articulated since
you've been sitting on the show.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
That's a great question.

Speaker 7 (33:21):
You know, in America, and I say this is unfortunate
in part that when you black, you come out of
Democrat because when I was young, we didn't even vote,
We weren't even deep into politics, but you just knew
if you were going to vote, you voted for a
Democrat because the Democrat was for the black people and
the Republicans were racist white people.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
That's what it was.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
That's true.

Speaker 7 (33:42):
And then when I grew up, I started being more
informed and started looking at policy positions as a Christian man,
I said, well, wait a minute, I don't think I
agree with nothing that the Democrats are doing. I don't
think I agree with any of it. I believe in God.
I believe putting God first. I believe in marriages between
a man and a woman. I mean, you go down
as I don't want to pay no crazy amount of
taxes just for them to be throwing your money like

(34:04):
they at a strip club. So I'm saying when I
look at the policy position, not the emotional manipulation of
empathy that I see from the Democrat side and from DL.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Hughley and others.

Speaker 7 (34:16):
I look at policy and I say, well, the policy
of lowering taxes makes sense. Thomas Soul, the greatest the
great economists have already articulated. Any economists will tell you
when they lower the taxes, and taxes seem to be
reasonable to the American people, they pay more into the treasury.
When you raise the taxes, people try to evade taxes.
Therefore this lower money coming into the treasure of the
United States of America. So I'm for lowering taxes. I'm

(34:41):
for you know, immigration policy. It don't make no sense
whatsoever that people have to wait ten years to come
over here, and I think it's prejudice against some of
the African nations because they don't get to just walk
through the Southern border, people waiting in line forever, paying
all this money, fleeing actual persecution, and they don't have
an opportunity because we have twenty million illegal aliens coming

(35:02):
from the southern border right into our country. And dal
Hugley didn't say a thing that I've seen about when
Joe Biden was doing this and strewing black people over
because where do they go, Stephen? And when these illegals
come into America, they don't go to the foothills. They're
not going to the affluent neighborhoods. They're not welcome at
Martha's Vineyard. They are going and competing for low skilled

(35:23):
work in the inner cities, and therefore they're putting black
people out of employment because black people are working for
citizen wages, which means that you're America citizen, you have
to work for minimum wage.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
These people coming over here, you can pay them under
the table.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm popular for saying this office to Tatum. When white
folks catch a cold, black folks catching pneumonia, it's always
worse for us than it is for them. I bring
up that statement because of what you just said.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
When you think.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
About open borders and illegal immigrants crossing the borders, ultimately
you're alluding to it having a detrimental effect on the
black community.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Is that your way of saying that you felt the.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Left did that to us, that they just disregarded black folks.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Stevin A.

Speaker 7 (36:12):
They've been giving us the middle finger since I can remember,
all the way back from the klu klus Klan.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
They didn't. They have never supported black people whatsoever.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
They hoodwinked us, and they getting us on food stamps
and getting us with government assistance, having us to abandon
our own success. We had our own bus line, we
had our own schools, we had all this stuff. They
tricked us into believing that the white man was the
cure to our own issues. Okay, they tricked us, and
then now look at us, stephen A. They don't have
to be for our vote. They got our vote. Hook

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line of Syncert. Well, they're never going to do nothing
for us.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
That part I get.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
But when you say they did nothing, I'm thinking about
civil rights legislation, I'm thinking about I'm thinking about infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
I'm thinking about.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Jim Crow Laws, the eradication of it. I'm thinking about
the access to capital too, that we didn't give it
that black folks had dated.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
From the sixties and beyond it then we didn't have
before that. Are you saying that's.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
The that's the Republican unanimous Republican voted votes for the
Civil Rights the Democrats filibuster the Civil Rights Act, the
longest full of buster in history until Booker just did
did what he did, but the Democrats were not in
support of that. That was the Republican party that was
in support of that. And then let's go down the
list if these things were benefiting black people while we

(37:29):
still complaining in the day, we've been voted for Democrats
for I don't know forty fifty years now, lockstep and
we still complaining.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
We still don't have the rights that we want.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
We still don't have equality in America, Racism and still
plague in our community according to black people.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
So what have they been doing this whole time? And
when you look at.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
It, they have just secured our vote and they don't
have to do nothing for us.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
And this is what we've created, stephen A. We've created
an environment where We don't.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
Benefit from none of it because the Democrats don't have
to work because they know I already got us.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
The Republicans don't need to work because they can.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Win without us.

Speaker 7 (38:02):
Black women voted at ninety percent for Democrats. Stephen A.
Donald Trump wanted a landslide. You give it two more
election cycles. Illegal Aliens and Hispanics are going to be
the majority minority. Therefore, Black people can vote one hundred
percent for Democrats and they're not going to have any
leverage in the political environment. And I'll tell you this.

(38:23):
The Democrats look at their platform. They want women to
have abortions. They don't want they don't support a marriage,
they don't support God and things the way the Republicans do.
What does that do to the inner city Black communities,
all Black communities in general. We're not getting married, baby daddy,
baby mama, drama out of control. We have an abortion
more than anybody else. Obesity is out of control in

(38:45):
the black community, which is one of the biggest plays
in the Black community and the leading cause of death,
which is hypertension and heart disease. What has the Democrats
done about it?

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Nothing?

Speaker 7 (38:53):
The Republicans with RFK is saying, we need to make
sure we have better foods.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
We need to make sure the SNAP program.

Speaker 7 (38:59):
On prioritize a soda to our young people, which a
lot of black people are on a SNAP program. That's
the difference in policy position Steve. But Dia Hugley he
will never talk about that. He will never talk about
the fact that we give the Democrat Party and they
fixed nothing.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I'm gonna invite him on here off same. I'm gonna
make sure that I play these clips for there.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
I don't you know, I don't. I've met him over
the years a couple of times. He's always been cool
with me, even though he's been critical.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Of me from Tom to Tom two. I'm a big boy.
Like I said, I could take it. It's no big deal.
But I'm definitely gonna I'm definitely gonna drop this education
you dropping on him.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
I'm gonna make sure that he sees this.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But I would ask you this based on everything that
you're saying, if you were in front of d L
hugely right now and you had an opportunity to talk
to him.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
About his position about Trump, about the MAGA movement, about.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
The GOP overall, particularly in comparison to what's going on
with the left other than what you just said.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Is there anything you would add?

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Well, let me say this.

Speaker 7 (40:02):
I think that if dal Hugely was in front of
me and we had a debate, it would be the
most embarrassing time of his life. He gets no pushback
from the black community none, whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
He's in an echo chamber. It's very simple.

Speaker 7 (40:14):
I would ask Dale Hugely, what policy positions are you
saying that Donald Trump has failed in that the Democrats
has prosper in And.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
This is what he will say to me.

Speaker 7 (40:23):
He will give me a talking point from CNN that's
been debunked twenty years ago.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
He doesn't have substance.

Speaker 7 (40:30):
What I would add to d L is I would say,
d L do you really care about the black community
or are you living in an environment where you're worshiping
your skin color? Because if you care about the black
community versus worshiping a skin color, why are you not
out here advocating for things that will help the black community,
like school choice, which is a Republican talking point. Democrats

(40:52):
don't stand on school choice. And I think young black people,
even like my son, should have the choice to go
to the school that I think is best for him.
I mean, we can go to on a list illegal immigration.
I guarantee you DL would be arguing me that it's
wrong that Donald Trump of deporting all these menskin people.
He didn't say nothing when Barack Obama did it, and
Barack Obama was the deporter in chief. He deported more

(41:13):
people than anybody in history. So I think that that
every single point that Dale Huge has ever made that
I have listened to him made is always incorrect. He
probably thinks that Shadur not going in the first round
is racism because he has this vitriolic behavior against white folks.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
I don't think that they had nothing to do with race.

Speaker 7 (41:32):
He think the kid who stabbed the young man in
Dallas in the chest is that they're real roading him
in his racism.

Speaker 4 (41:37):
Well, I was a police officer.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
I know what probable cause look like, and I read
the law in Texas and it was a reasonable charging
of that young man who killed another person. So he
would never pick the side to support anything white, even
if the white person is right.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Is that the way you feel about any black person
that has an issue with what we're seeing from Trump,
it's administration or the GOP or is that message especially
for d L Hugly because you're familiar or you say
you're familiar with some of the things he.

Speaker 7 (42:11):
Said, it's specifically for DL Hugly and D help dal
Hugly likes because there are people who are educated that
just have a difference of opinion or they have criticisms.
I don't agree with everything Trump does. I've been on
his head his last term. I was all over his
head and people wanted to unfollow me.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
I don't. I don't.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
These people ain't paying my paycheck, so I don't need
to do anything for anybody. I'm just here to tell
the truth and keep it real. And Donald Trump has
done things that have been questionable in my personal opinion,
with the bad season, all of the such tariffs as
well to tarriffs. I agree with Trump. I believe in
Trump and in good faith. I think he's doing the
right thing. But if a person came out and said, look,
I'm concerned about terroriffs, I own a company, steven A.

(42:50):
We partner and do things overseas, and it's gonna hit us.
But I do Trump. Believe that Trump is doing the
right thing for a good reason, and I'm optimistic about
the outcome. But if dial Hughgly came on and said,
I think the teriffs may be a bad idea citing
these reasons, I say, okay.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
But dal Hughgly, you know, you could say he says.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
Donald Trump is removing black existence from society, which is
the most asinine thing ever. And you would ask him
what are you referring to? He'll say books being removed.
If you go to Florida and you look at the
one hundred and twenty plus variation of books that have
been removed from the Florida school system, it was removed
because of pornography. It's because they're showing nudity and talking

(43:34):
about sex with elementary students. But deal Hugly, don't do
any research. He won't look up anything. He just know
that he has to oppose Donald Trump at every end.
Here's another thing, Steven, And if you asked him, if
you come on your show, what's something that Donald Trump
has done that have been positive? He will not have

(43:55):
nothing to say because he can't say it because the
people I call him, the people of the male them
will eat him alive. If he decided to go to
the White House and say, look, I'm gonna set the
record strate with Donald Trump. But Donald Trump, say, DL,
come to the White House, let's talk. DL won't go
to the White House. Even if he could talk to Trump,
and even if he could confront Trump face to face,

(44:16):
he won't do it because he know he ain't researching nothing,
and the black people will eat him alive.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Stephen, Ay, you've experienced it.

Speaker 7 (44:23):
You say one thing that sound conservative and they eating
you alive. And now you're a Republican and now you
sent it for Trump. Say Kwon Barkley gets invited to
the White House like every other person who wins the
Super Bowl. I mean, it's not the first time in
the history of Super Bowl champs have been to the
White House. And I'll say this, when when Bodom was
in office, who opted out?

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I don't know if any Republican opted out when Biden
was in office.

Speaker 7 (44:48):
And I'll tell you what, people on the Kansa City Chiefs,
it's a bunch of them that are Trump supporters. That's
because we don't have that vitriolic behavior against Joe Biden,
even though he was way worse than anything Trump could
have ever done. But I'll say this, Stephen ain't and
then I'll shut up. I want to see us unite.
I want to see us stop arguing and biggering over

(45:08):
stupid stuff. Let's be informed. I would love to sit
down with Dale Hugley if he wanted to act in
good faith. We need to have a better country. We
need safety for everybody, not just black people. And because
I have a blended family and a lot of people
that work for me, and that I know, investors, business partners,
mentors are of every color. We should be focused on

(45:30):
saying how do we all win together, not running around
picking tribes and saying I'm only for the black people
and I'm only for these people. That's never gonna work
in society. It's never gonna work. And I hope that
black people wake up to this. We cannot isolate ourselves
in a cocoon and think we gonna live in the
inner city community and somehow show the white man that's

(45:50):
not America, that never will be America.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Let me say this to you before I let you go.
There's a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Number One, I appreciate that message because our CO signed
with you one thousand percent on it. We do need
to come together, and my definition of coming together is
being able to have a conversation and not looking at
one another with vitriol because we disagree. Let's butt heads
and see whose ideas are better. In other words, knowing policy,

(46:17):
knowing objectives and agendas, and come into a conclusion as
to whether what's right and what's wrong in our mindset.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
What would be the reason for that to be.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I've heard Officer Tatum and your crew criticized me before,
and I was going like this.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Well, damn, you know, they might have a good point there.
I gotta let I mean, I didn't see it that way. Well,
let me look at it.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
And then there are other things are like, no, I'm
not budget. I think I'm right and they're wrong. It
is why, by the way, I ain't just asked you
to come on my show. I come on your show
anytime you want me to. My brother ain't hiding. I'm here.
But I think that the most important message that you're
giving is that the Democratic Party has had the black
vote for the most part since the sixties, and we've

(47:00):
so transparent and I support for the party that it's
given them a license to take us for granted, and
it's given the right a license to ignore.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Us because they assumed they wouldn't get our vote anyway.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Therefore we're the ones without representation, and then we're wondering
what the hell has happened now. Trump disoriented stuff a
little bit because I think.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I never called him names.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
And also my issue with him is how he behaves,
because I think the presidency is a statesmanship position. And
if you don't know how to act and you busy tweeting,
going after Kathy Griffin and everybody else something like that,
as Kat Williams joked about one time, that's problematic for me.
But that's it, and that's how I look at it,
and anything else, I'm.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Like, listen, he'll get away with what you wanted to
get away with.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Every president, every president in office wants their policies, and
you've got senators and congressional figures that are gonna support you.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
They're gonna sway you one way or another.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Everything's open for negotiation, and that's the way that it
should be.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
So I completely support where.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You're coming from in terms of keeping an open mind
and listening, and I get where you're coming from.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I'll give you the last word in this question.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
As a black man in the United States of America,
with Trump, in office right now, with everything that you've
already said has been going on do in large part
to the left, where do you see us going from here?
Because there's a lot of black people that don't see
progress when they think about Trump.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
It's a great question.

Speaker 7 (48:30):
I think that it's on an individual basis, because there
are people who are never going to change, that are
never going to like Trump. They go to these churches
and these pastors are telling them that the white man
is the devil, and Trump is the devil, and Elon
is the devil. And some people are never going to change.
But the ones who want to change, the ones who
are sick and tired of being sick and tired, are

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going to open the eyes and say, I'm done with
listening to news, I'm done with listening to pundits. Let
me do my research because I want what's best for
a marriage. We all have to live in this country.
It's not just a black country, it's not a white country.
We all have to live here. And those people stephen
A like yourself because you know, we disagree on stuff too.
But you a real man, and that's why I respect

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you enough to come on the show.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
Because we can disagree but we can still.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Top it upright.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
Some people can't do this, stephen A. Some people they
they and their feelings, you say some of it.

Speaker 7 (49:22):
I think they want to fight you and all this,
and so the ones who are open minded, like yourself,
because you wasn't always like this, stephen A.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
You didn't always fit this way.

Speaker 7 (49:31):
But at some point, because you're a rational person, which
is why you're incredibly successful, is that at some point
you're like, I'm a critical thinker.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Let me look into this.

Speaker 7 (49:39):
Let me not just believe one thing and then their boom,
your eyes are open and the veil is off. Let
me just say this too. I don't agree with everything
Trump does. I don't. Me and you are on the
same page with some stuff he do make me cringe.
And I'm at home with my wife being like if
he don't stop doing it, what is he doing?

Speaker 4 (49:59):
Cause body get him? Like watch him to have the coorum.

Speaker 7 (50:05):
Today give an example today I was looking at him
do an interview. Of course, he called a guy out
at the over office. He said he was fake news.
But Donald Trump shared a post of the m S
thirteen game member that had designs on his knuckles. Somebody
didn't tell Trump that the MS thirteen letters at the
top wasn't a part of the original photo. Someone interpreted

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the designs on the fingers and they put this means M,
this means as, this mean one, this means three. Donald
Trump is on the thing arguing that his knuckles say
MS thirteen.

Speaker 4 (50:39):
That stuff makes him look bad.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
When Donald Trump came out against Lebron James, and I
have so many criticisms of Lebron James and make me sick.
Not basketball. Lebron James is him in basketball. Nobody can do,
not act nobody. It's when he go out and talk
about politics. But Donald Trump saying negative things about Lebron James.
When Ronald Trump said negative things about Rihanna, to me,

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that's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
In my life.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
Why woul't you engage in that. Let the pundits talk trash.
You are above the fray, You the head coach, You
the man at the top of the food chain. Let
them argue down here and you play the game of
the middle at the top. When I say middle meaning
places where you can unite, unite, we talk about Taylor Swift. Yeah,
I didn't like Taylor Swift doing all the little shenanigans

(51:27):
and pretty much a cares in people to vote Democrat,
which it didn't work. But why talk about Taylor Swift.
You are above the fray. You are the president of
the United States of America. He do a lot of
sneak getting on people that are beneath him, and those
things bother me about Donald Trump, in my personal opinion,
him arguing with.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
The media every day.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
At some point you have to say, I'm not talking
to them, but you're not gonna catch me during COVID
while we're talking about COVID nineteen, talking about you fake news.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
You fake news. DA hurt him in the election.

Speaker 7 (51:55):
With my dad, my dad said, I like his policies,
but the way he handled COVID when the press, he said,
I can't deal with it. You know why my dad
feels like that because my dad is a man of integrity.
My father worked forty years as a firefighter, retired twice
as a chief.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
My dad is a man of integrity. He raised us right.

Speaker 7 (52:16):
My dad is conservatives, he's no nonsense, he has decorum,
He treats people with respecting kindness.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
He's a man of God.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
Dad.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Stuff that Trump does turns him off. Now.

Speaker 7 (52:26):
I'm trying to get him a look at the policy
and not the person. But if I could give Trump
any critique, I'd say scale back on that stuff. Just
focus on the policies. Be a uniter. Let the pundits
talk to trash. Let Caroline Levit talk trash and bash
the media. You come out and lift people up. You
come out and being encouraging factor to the American people.

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Don't get in the mud, and he would be beloved
amongst everybody.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Office to Tata Man, I got to get on out
of here, But I got to tell you the mentality
of looking at the policy not the person is something
that I've grown to adopt and embrace even more so
than ever before. And I think this last election sort
of solidified that. But also listening to people like yourself

(53:14):
and others. Again, we don't agree on everything, but I
got mad respect for you, my brother, and I know
you doing big things. You got over three point four
million subscribers on YouTube, people listening.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
To you every day. You make it an impact.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
You sensible, you open minded, you fair minded, and I
got a lot of respect for you, man, So I'm
really really happy that you took time out of your
schedule to come on the show.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
You know, you always got room here to holler at me,
so it ain't no problem at all, man, Thank you
so much.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
I appreciate Stephen ad likewise, Man, I got mad respect
for you, man, and I have you on my shows
at some point.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
No doubt. You take it easy, my man, take care
of yourself.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Coming up, President Trump has now surpassed one hundred days
in office, and I'll be talking about him along with
mister Bill O'Reilly and Chris Cromo. I've got a preview
of that conversation straight ahead. But first, the lost Alas
Lakers on the verge of elimination at home tonight as
they prepare to face Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I'll get into that.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
How can I not Lebron James might be about to
go home to night in the first round.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Can't skip that, Luka Doncic too, can't skip that. That's
coming up next right here, and to Steve Naspip show,
They'll go away. Welcome back to Steven A. Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Let's get to the NBA playoffs where Lebron James, Luka
Doncic and the Los Angeles Lakers are facing elimination at
home the night against Anthony Edwards in the Minnesota Timberwolves.
The Lakers are coming off a tough game for last Sunday,
after head coach JJ Reddick became the first coach to
use the same five players for an entire half of
a playoff game since at least nineteen ninety eight. Despite

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that stat, Reddick said yesterday he doesn't believe fatigue played
a role in why the Lakers lost.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
Well.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Listen, that may be true. Lebron James is in better
shape than most, even at age forty in his twenty
second season in the NBA, but he was clearly taking
offensive plays off because he had to focus so much
on defense. Luka Doncic has never been accused of being
in shape, so when the Minnesota Timberwolves are pressing him
ninety four feet all game long, eventually the fourth quarter

(55:10):
is gonna arrive and fatigue is going to set. In
Austin Reeves, we thought he was a member of the
Big Three. We thought he completed the Big Three in
Los Angeles, but Minnesota has had other ideas.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
We can give all a.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
Blame in the world to JJ Reddick Los Angeles Lakers,
Lebron James's age, Luka Doncics being out of shape.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
But here's what we can't escape.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Anthony Edwards is a superstar. Brother's just Josh forty three.
The brother is spectacular. He is a skywalker. He is
Jordanesku with a J. He is special and right now
he's like a shark and blood infested waters. Just like
he swept Kevin Durant and Devin Booker in the first

(55:53):
round last year, Just like he took out Kolejokicic and
Jamal Murray in the semifinals last year, being in seven
games before running in the Kyrie Irvin and Luka Doncic
in the Western Conference Finals. Are making the huge mistake
of saying he wanted to guard Kyrie Irvin before the player,
before that series began. The Lord did he pay for that?

(56:14):
This man is on the verge over the last two
years of sending home Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, the Kolie Okis,
Jamal Murray, Lebron James, and Luka Doncic. Ladies and gentlemen,
that's star power when you consider this personality.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
That's additional star power when you consider his game. That's
even more star power.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
When you exceed the fact that he wants all that
smoke because he's willing to get up in you and
guard you, that's even more star power.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Ant Man has arrived. Now.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I think the Lakers probably will win Game five in
Los Angeles at the Crypto dot Com Arena, and then
that puts the pressure back on Minnesota to win a
Game six.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
On their home turf.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
But I gotta tell you, when I'm looking at ant Man,
I think he smells blood, and I don't think he's
coming to play Patsy with anybody. I think he's coming
to take Lebron James and Luka Doncic out.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I don't think he's trying to get to a Game six.
He want to take him out right now. Whether he's
gonna be able to pull that off remains to be seen.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
The Lakers.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
JJ Reddy doesn't have any faith in his bench. He
certainly doesn't have any faith in his big man. And
because of that, you're asking Lebron James and Luka Doncic
to dig deep, which I believe they're both capable of,
and I think that will happen in Game five in
Los Angeles tonight. But if it doesn't, I'm not gonna
be surprised, because I think I'm gonna know why it

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didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Ant Man.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Oh, by the way, Julius Randall balling, bodying up, Lebron James,
being physical with him, Jada McDaniels playing stout defense, but
he's also enough points. Rudy Gobat giving you his twenty
four to twenty five minutes a game, going out at
seven feet two garden on the perimeter. There's a whole
bunch of things to be positive about with the Minnesota Timberwolves,
but nothing compared to ant Man.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
That brother is box office.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
And I gotta tell you, even though I don't have
much of a desire to go to Minnesota as the
playoffs continue, even though it is warmer this time of
year than it is in the winter, of course, because
the winter's a Visius, here's the reality. To see ant
Man with a championship on the line. It doesn't get

(58:40):
much better than that. I got news for you. As
much as we love seeing Lebron James, as much as
we love watching Steph Curry, it's time to make way
for the younger generation of.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Cats out there and it starts with him. Trust me
on that.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Trust me coming up, President Trump just to pass one
hundred days in office yesterday, I've got Chris Como straight
ahead to break down what's been happening at the White House.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
That's next right here on a Steven Nate Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Don't go away, Welcome back to Steven n.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Let's get back to the White House and talk about
President Trump's first one hundred days in office. On Monday,
I broke down the poll numbers that showed Trump's approval
ratings one hundred days in are the lowest in nearly
eighty years, which center the Democratic Senator that Chuck Schumer
certainly didn't fail to point out, by the way.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
But don't take my word for it.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Let's get prospective from the host of Cuomo on News Nation.
He along with the one and only Bill O'Reilly and
yours truly, we'll be speaking with President Trump tonight eight
pm Eastern Standard Time on News Nation. Please welcome back
to the Steven Aismith Show. To one and only Chris Clomo.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
What's up, big time?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
How are you, sir?

Speaker 1 (59:57):
How's everything?

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I'm out in the community, Stephen a meeting with all
your fans here in New York City.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Please, you're out in the community speaking to the fans
of Andrew Cuomo, your big brother, because let me tell
you something, everybody needs to pay attention.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
That man might win that maol of race. But let
me get to this right here. This is a big
event tonight. It's on your show. It's being hosted by you.
Obviously Bill o'relly is going to be there, but this
is the Cuomo show. This is you're the man, my brother.
Talk to me about tonight, this show and what it
means to you to have us all there for a

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town hall.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
By the way, with President Trump's schedule to call.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
In surrendering the meat of the week.

Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
My friend, it's great to have you and Bill as headliners,
and of course the President of the United States.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
But you know, we're all there for the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
We're there to listen.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
We're there to express the concerns of the country, have
the audience do the same, and give the president an
opportunity to address them. My hope is that we're gonna
do it a little differently than I've been seeing it
be done in the media. For me, it's not about
whether Trump is killing it or whether he's what the
it is that he's killing is the country.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
It's too binary.

Speaker 8 (01:01:11):
That's just about advantage, and for us, it's got to
be about hearing what people's concerns are, giving the president
a chance to address them, and then having a balance
of points of view about what would make the country
better than it is right now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I mean, that's the consensus. We're not where we need
to be, and we're going to.

Speaker 8 (01:01:29):
Have a full compliment of voices tonight adding to the
stew of why that is and where we need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
To get Chris at this particular moment in tom leading
up to the interview, I don't think it's fair to
you or anybody else to ask what your positions are
on some of the things he may or may not
have done. I do think it's fair to ask you
and Apropos to ask you, what are the issues you
believe of primary concerns to the American people that need

(01:01:58):
to be addressed tonight.

Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Data is the uncertainty. Where's the plan? You know, we're
like specifically tariffs, what's the plan? Are you just going
in and out? Are these just tactics? Is it really
as ham fisted as they tariffed you, so you're tariffing them, really,
and then when the rich guys came and said you're

(01:02:21):
hurting us, you backed off.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
Is that what a populace would do?

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
So I think every poll you see expresses the concern
of the uncertainty, and he's gonna have to speak to
that tonight. And I don't think that the answer of
especially with you, me and Bill, it can't be this
is Biden's economy.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
It can't be that the polls are all fake news.
I'm up seventy percent. You know it's not gonna wash
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
But we're also there, not out there to fight.

Speaker 8 (01:02:48):
I mean, people keep every time I interview Trump, it's
the same thing people say to me, Oh, this is
gonna be a showdown, showdown. He's president of the United States.
It's a town hall. He's on the phone, and it's
really about the people and their concerns and giving him
an opportunity and have stakeholders on each side offer their
point of view on why we are where we are

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and how we get to a better place.

Speaker 4 (01:03:10):
It's as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
Why do you believe or do you believe rather there's
any validity? Should it matter to us that these are
the lowest poll numbers for a president in the first
one hundred days in eighty years.

Speaker 4 (01:03:23):
It doesn't matter to me because the man is uniquely unpopular.

Speaker 8 (01:03:26):
The only reason that we think anything else is because
he's telling us that all the time. You know what
I mean, He's always saying, I'm doing great, I'm at
seventy percent.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
Everybody loves me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
I got a huge mandate.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
It's great, it's going great.

Speaker 8 (01:03:37):
He says it a lot. Doesn't make it true. The
numbers are the numbers. But I will tell you this,
stephen a the idea that he's in the dumps. His
numbers are not that different than they were at this
point in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
His first term.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
So that's what I would say to people. His numbers
are not that different than they were the first term.
This guy is very polarizing, this president, and he knows
that the numbers aren't the story.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
For me, it's the plan.

Speaker 8 (01:04:04):
It's the uncertainty and how he deals with that that
is going to be a big thing.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
The other thing is, if he's really in legacy.

Speaker 8 (01:04:12):
Mode and he wants to be believed remembered as one
of the greatest, do want to ask him tonight. One
trait that they all share, every great president we've ever had.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Is that they were uniters in a time of division.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
How does he get to that point?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
What if he said to you, we're already there whereas
united as we need to be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Let's say, Chris Cuomo.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
On another note, you know, when we look at the
media today, he's popularized fake news.

Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Fake news.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
People throw it around towards the media more so than
ever before. As members of the media. You have been
alarmed by it, I've been alarmed by it, etc. What
do you think an event like tonight duh to sort
of assuage those concerns, if at all, as it pertains
to the media, and give it somebody a fair shake.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Fringes nothing. The left will say we gave them a pass.

Speaker 8 (01:05:14):
The right will say that we were fake news, triple
teaming Trump, doesn't matter what theF happens, That's what they're
gonna say. What I'm not worried. What I'm worried about
is I'm not worried about the wings. I'm worried about
the bird in between them. I'm worried about the majority.
And the majority of Americans get it. And that's why
news Nation is growing. Is people are not right and left.

(01:05:36):
They're reasonable. There's centrist, center, left, center right. That's what
they want. And I'm not doing this for the fringe.
I'm doing this for the majority. And they respect decency,
They respect giving people a chance to talk, and they
know what a town hall is and what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Tonight, News Nation Cuomo on News Nation eight pm Eastern's
standard time to ten pm is two hours.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
I'm gonna be there with you, my man. This is
for you, Chris, This is for you, because you're the man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
You're the man. I listen.

Speaker 8 (01:06:07):
I know you're doing me a favor. You always do.
You know you make James Brown look lazy. You are
the hardest working man in the business.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
And that's you. I'm not even talking about your acting career.
I'm talking about just you being Stephen A.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I'm not talking about you know your stage name.

Speaker 4 (01:06:27):
You know did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
You did you put out the name that brick muscle
brick on General Did you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I said brick on General Hospital. Did you see me
pull out the silencer and spoke me assassin?

Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Did you see it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Stone cold, stone cold gangster.

Speaker 8 (01:06:44):
Stone old killer, don't hold killer, man, can't take the
seven one eight out there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Man, take a look.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
Look look at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Oh I had to do it like that, Chris. I
had to do it like that, Chris, I had I
had to. I'll see you tonight, man, you are not playing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
Don't kill him?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Man, Hey ho, I'll see you tonight, buddy. All right,
I'll send you all right, the one and only Chris Cuomo.
Thanks again, don't forget tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
As I've said.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Repeatedly, you can catch Chris, Bill o'reiley and yours truly
interviewing President Donald Trump on Cuomo eight pm Eastern Standard
Time on News Nation. Once again, thanks to the one
and only Chris Cuomo. That's it for this edition of
The Stephen A.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Smith Show.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I got to get on out of here for obvious reasons,
like I just told you, But I'll be back in
a couple of days. Okay, I'm pretty busy these days.
But it's the NBA players, that's the way it goes,
and the political landscape is called as well, and whether
we like it or not, I must say.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
To you, I have to approve that message.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Until next time, ladies and gentlemen, Stephen They signed off
peace of lovely