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I do a show and I sit down, and it's
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you find yourself edified and intrigue all at the same
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learn more, and it certainly encourages you to hear from
the other side. And that's what today's show is about.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
My guest today is a woman by the name of
Candace Owens, married with four children, very very popular conservative
pundit has been for years. She's been incredibly controversial along
the way in the eyes of a lot of people.
She has spoken out of against the B two movement,

(02:28):
she has spoken out against Black Lives Matter, she has
spoken out against some people within the conservative community. She
definitely has made her voice heard about what she believes
as it pertains to the Democratic Party.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
The list goes on and on. You've heard of.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Blexit, which she's created when she created years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
You've heard of other things that she has done.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
She's the best selling author as well, and she has
a very popular podcast that's now eclipsed more than four
million subscribers. But she's not a fan favorite in the
eyes of a lot of people, and in this particular
day and age, certainly not anybody from the Jewish community
in light of her comments about Israel, specifically the leadership

(03:12):
of Prime Minister Benjamin net in Yahoo. She has spoken
out fervently and feverishly on many many occasions, and with
this sit down interview without much prompting, she certainly didn't
hesitate to do so this particular moment in time. And
as I think about that, I think about all the

(03:33):
things that I want to discuss with her. I think
about the controversial issues and challenges that she has faced.
I think about her views about Christianities, her views about politics,
her thoughts on immigration, and how these views has led
to her life being threatened. All of these are things

(03:54):
that I was looking forward to talking to Candice Owens
about It's not the first time I've spoken to her.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I sincerely doubt if it will be the last.

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First up, we'll Shay gil just Alexander score more or
less than thirty three and.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
A half points.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
He's shave butter, as my colleague Malik Malika Andrews coined, Okay,
Shae Butter, He's gonna do his thing now. The Indiana
pace has showing an inability to stop this brother's averaging
over thirty or forty six percent shooting, particularly over the
last three games. I see more of the same. I'm
gonna go with more on this one. Next up, will
Jalen Williams score more or less than twenty three and
a half points? Did you just see him drop forty?
Did you just see him get delaying at will? Did

(05:35):
you just see the fact that he's unguardable by anybody
on Indiana? Have you seen his jump shot of starting
the flow now after coming into game five shooting twenty
one percent from three point range. I'm gonna go with
more on this one because I think Jay Williams is
flowing right now.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
No doubt about it. Next up, will.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Pascal Siakam scored more or less than twenty one points.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
He has shown up.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
He has shown up for the Indiana Pacers, especially with
Halliburton being out, You're gonna have to use him as
a four point even more. He's got to be your
number one offensive option. I think Ricarlile knows that. As
the coach of the Indiana Pacers. I think he'll get
him the ball more.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
And I think.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Pascal Siakam will answer the call on his home turf.
He's gonna score more than twenty one points in game six.
And finally, when aaron NEI Smith score more or less
than eleven points, I'm gonna go with more of this
as well. For the same reasons haller Burton being hampered.
He's not gonna be out, but he's got that cash trained.
MRI is showing us that. So bottom line is he's
gonna be hampered, to say the least.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
TJ.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Mcconald's gonna come in off the bench. He's gonna be
the little engine that could to do his thing. But
in the end, if you're the Indiana Paces, it's gonna
have to win by committee.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's what you're gonna have to do so.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Obie Topping is gonna have some say, Matthoin Benedict Mathermin
is gonna have some say. All right, them Hard is
gonna have some say. But the top two scoring options
for the Indiana Pacers should be Pascal Siakam and of
course Nie Smith themselves.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
So I'm gonna go with more on this one.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
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Speaker 1 (07:18):
My guest is known for her shop with her candid
opinions as far as I'm concerned, highly intelligent positions. She
hosts the popular YouTube show Candace Please welcome back to
the show to one and only Candace Owners.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
How are you, Candas? How's everything everything is good?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know? New baby? So I'm barely sleeping, but it's
of course a blessing.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Well, first of all, you don't look at so compliment
to you. That's number one. Number two, I mean, you're
just getting back into action. Before I get into some
of these questions, because I could have wait to talk
to you about this stuff. How long have you been out?
How long have you How much of a break did
you take?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I took six weeks and made a couple of appearances
because some stories were just so big that I felt
like I needed to respond to them. But other than that,
I've just kind of been in baby world.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I got you. Well, listen, I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I really appreciate you taking time out of your schedule
because I definitely wanted to talk to you about a
couple of things, and of course yourself. But let's get
right into it. I want to have you back on
to get your perspective. With some trending news headlines, you
called the escalation between Israel and Iran a propaganda war.
We all know what's been going on between Israel and Iran.
We've heard President Trump speak about it. You've been on

(08:28):
the record calling it a propaganda war.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Explain that, Candice, Well, it was very obvious that this
war was going to happen because the American foreign policy
is dictated by Israel, and it was problematic that Bibina
and Yahoo was increasing his rhetoric against Iran. And this
is after they have effectively seized land in Syria. They
were cheering what happened in Syria. We knew that it

(08:50):
was going to end up wind up with Christians being
mass murdered, which is what's happening right now. And what's
happening in the Middle East. For those who aren't clear
on this is Israel is simply is expanding its borders
or woether that be by carpet bombing women and children,
which we have not had a person with power effectively
say that this is morally wrong, of course, and now

(09:14):
it seems they also want to annex the West Bank.
What's happening in the West Bank, which has nothing to
do with Gaza, is the individuals that live there are
being traumatized by the IDF And so if you're paying attention,
it's very clear that they have become increasingly radical and
they are effectively, as they always do, using the American
military to fulfill their foreign policy interests because they are

(09:34):
a small nation and they don't have the bodies to
be able to accomplish that. They need the might of
the American military to accomplish their foreign Middle Eastern objectives.
And so yeah, it was very I am on record
saying this for the last two years. We're going to
war with Iran one way or the other. Because what
bb Net and Yah Who wants is what bib Net
and yah Who gets.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
How is that? How is that the case?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Because listen, I'm watching the Daily Show the other day
and I'm watching John Stewart, who obviously is to support
of these Jewish and he's support of the Jewish community
and Israel, of course, but he spoke out about how
Net and Yahoo was saying the same thing recently that
he said in twenty eighteen, that he said in twenty fifteen,
that he said in twenty eleven. And what's surprising to

(10:17):
me is that this seems to be a community divided
within the on Jewish can But you have some people
who are about being isolation this which is something we'll
get into later, and don't necessarily support this. And then
you got guys like conservative pundit Mark Levin, who I
know that you know a thing or two about. You know,
I know him, I've known him for years, and he
is fixated on this. He believes that America should be evolved.

(10:40):
He believes that Iran is evil and that they need
to be wiped off the face of this earth. And
essentially the threats that they've made, not just Israel, but
death to America as well justifies the kind of things
that we have been seeing. Do you know, do you
take that into consideration when you're giving your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Absolutely, And I think one of the things that the
public needs to recognize is this intentional conflation. And it's
completely wrong of Israel, the foreign nation which is being
led up by Prime Minister bibing Net and Yahoo and
Jewish people. That would be an absolute nonsense. If I
sat here and I said, well, you know, whatever happens
in Nigeria, it means that if you critique the Nigerian government,

(11:21):
that you're somehow against black people in America, that we
would all say that to nonsense. But this is they
have been very successful in this idea that if you
critique what is happening in the Middle East and what
actions are being led by bb Net and Yahoo's government
radical government, then you're somehow anti Semitic. So it shouldn't
surprise you to see that many Jewish people have taken
to the streets, not only Jewish, but by the way

(11:42):
Israelis because, as we know it in America, you can
be an American and not support what the government is doing.
I am not supporting right now the decisions that are
being made by the Trump campaign as it pertains to
Middle Eastern policy. But they have the disagreement. You have
Israelis taking to the street, boycotting, protesting, bbing in Yahoo.
And similarly, you have Jewish people who recognize that there

(12:03):
has been this wrong conflation as if all Jewish people
agree with the NonStop campaign of bombing in the Middle East,
which has essentially been in effect since nineteen forty eight,
since the creation of Israel as a nation. And so
I'm not conflicted or confused about what's happening. I find
it to be as disingenuous as attaching. Well, if you

(12:24):
critique Black Lives Matter as an organization, this means that
you're critiquing all black people. Know it doesn't doesn't mean
that whatsoever, I'm critiquing the Israeli Prime Minister. I am
critiquing their actions. Really their actions, which have began since
nineteen forty eight. The more that I become educated about
the topic, it has always been this despicable. It has
always been a campaign of burming, of carpet bombing and

(12:48):
theft stealing lands. And when people notice what they're doing,
they say, well, you can't say that because of anti Semitism.
That's ridiculous. Okay, you know how I feel about this,
especially as someone who's been called an uncle Tom and
Nakun for critiquing things that were happening within the black community.
I am not going to respond to name calling. I'm
going to respond to the facts, and the facts are
Piebat and Yah. Who is doing in the Middle East

(13:10):
is a terrorist campaign.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
When you I saw a recent episode, I forgot who
you were talking to. Forgive me for not knowing his name,
but you were showing highlights of Dave Portno, you know,
for Barstool and how he was going at one of
the individuals that I think was he employs, and he
went ballistic because of a joke that was being aimed

(13:34):
in his direction or what have you, and I don't
remember the joke, So I apologize for that, but you
highlighting his reaction because you were pointing out how he
could joke about some things. But if you joke about
anything at this particular moment in time, it's going to
be labeled anti Semitic. Is that something that you feel
fervently about, that you feel adamant about in terms of

(13:55):
you just can't say anything? Is such a lopsided thing,
because when I think about the Jewish community, of of
course I'm looking at some of the things that are transpiring.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I don't like it one bit.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
In the same breath, I'm thinking about October seventh, from
a couple of years ago, when they were attacked and
people were kidnapp people were killed, et cetera, et cetera,
and the retaliation on their part was predictable and in
the odds of a lot of people understandable.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
That's where I come from with it. Where are you
coming from with it?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
When I use a port no example or others, as
you allude to anti Semitism, which is obviously a grave
concern for the Jewish community at this particular moment in time.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
First and foremost, I can think of nothing more anti
semitic than two years of bombing the Palestinians, who are
Semitic people. That's another thing. They just decided they're the
only Semitic people, which is absolutely absurd and it's erroneous.
But further to your point, there was this media effort
and we've all seen over the last two years, it's
been this increasing slur of anti Semitism everywhere. Like people

(14:51):
who have been in the public space forever and have
never been accused of being anti Semites are now being
accused of being anti Semites, me being one of them.
I worked for two Jewish organis before I was suddenly
being accused of being anti Semitic. So sometimes on its face,
you have to ask yourself a question. And again I
will use the example of BLM, where suddenly it seems
like everyone is being accused of racism, to the point
that it was becoming a parody, like someone would braid

(15:12):
their hair and they'd be like, cancel this girl, because
this is appropriation. When you start to see that increase,
and what people are actually trying to do is control speech. Right,
this guy said, I think it's okay if someone jokes
at you and calls you Rabbi Dave port Noi, you
should be able to take a joke, right, welcome to
the Internet. Everyone's called different things, and he has a
meltdown and asks him. Dave Portner says, how many Jews

(15:35):
have to die before you stop joking? That's an emotional
manipulation tactic. Okay. Nobody dies from a joke. Okay, nobody
dies if somebody tweets at Dave Portnoy. Hey, your Rabbi,
Dave Portnoy. Now as they're critiquing you, and you only
do that. You only start to come in on speech
and to demand all these rules and these cancelations when

(15:55):
you have something to hide when you are wrong. Okay,
Because when you're winning on the basis of your ideas,
when you're winning on the basis of the argument, you
don't ask for more censorship. I want the debate. When
I know I'm right about something, I'm not going censor
the wrong guy. I'm like, platform the wrong guy, get
me across from him so i can embarrass him. So
we knew this was coming on the basis of this

(16:15):
increase of smearing people as anti semites for asking rational questions,
and so I'm not surprised that we've arrived at this point.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Well way, I would push back on that canvas is
that's you.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
You're highly intellectual, very very articulate, very researched, exceptional at
defending your points, etc. And so that could give you
the I don't want to say the motivation, but the
ability to be calm and collective in articulating a point
of view to refute something somebody else is growing and

(16:50):
throwing at you. But if you're a Dave Portinal, just
to use this example, and you're a Jewish individual who
emphatically believes that this anti Semitism race raving through this country,
if not this world, at this particular moment in time,
you can't.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Understand why he would react.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
And I'm not saying he should have gone as far
as he did, but can you understand where he's coming
from when he's passionate about it, Because to me, it's
coupled with a fear that the Jewish community is feeling
at this particular moment in time because of what they're
doing and to use your words, because of the action
of their own government in Israel.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
I can't understand it, not even percent, okay, And nothing
is more obnoxious in having somebody as successful a multi
millionaire probably doesn't even touch his own door handles, pretending
that he's just so terrified and he can't go outside.
That's a nonsense, Okay. He is trying to hype up
his victimhood because he does not have an argument to make,
and that's what people do. They lean into victimhood when
they cannot rebut an argument. It'd been very easy for

(17:47):
him to calmly explain, this is the reason why this
is wrong, and so and so died because of this joke.
Someone fell over and died because someone tweeted Rabbi Dave Portnoy.
But that's nonsense. So he went with screaming, and then
in this weird leave owner vibe tells him I own you,
and I pay you what I own you, Beth, which
is just quite frankly despicable.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Got you, got you? You know what I gotta keep
I've gotta keep in mind the candace. When I'm talking
to you, I'm gonna make sure I don't raise my
voice or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Have you got me?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You gotta be wondering if I did the wrong things
a boy raising my voice talking sports for crowd out loud,
because that's a good oline like that. Let me look
at myself, Let me check myself just a little bit
more in the future because.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Candas is bringing up some very valid points. I got it.
I got it.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Let me move on to Tucker Calls and while I
have you here, and I want to get into you
a little bit later because I want to talk about
some things involving you directly, but right now I wanted
to touch on Tucker Calls in the form of Fox
News host got into a fiery exchange on Tuesday, you know,
with Senator Ted Cruz over his support for President Trump
and his posturing towards Israel. At least that's what Tucker

(18:47):
Callson claims it to be. I want to show you
this clip right now with Tucker Calls and getting into
it with Ted Cruise.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Take a look at this, Candas.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
How many people living around By the way, I don't
know the population at all.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
No, I don't know the population.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
You don't know the population of the country. You seek
to topple how many people living around ninety two million?

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Yeah, how could you not know that.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
I don't sit around memorizing population tables.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the
overthrow of the government.

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Why is it relevant whether it will because ninety million
or eighty million or a hundred million.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Because if you don't know anything about the country. You
didn't say I don't know anything about Okay, what's the
ethnic mix of I wrong? They are Persians and well
presuminantly Shia. Okay, you don't know anything about Iran. So okay,
I'm not the Tucker Carlson bird on Iran. You're a
center who's calling there the one government about the country.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Eight.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
No, you don't know anything about the country. You're the
one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Who can't figure out General Solamoni and you.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Believe they're trying to murder Trump?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Yes, because you're not calling for military strikes against them
in retaliation and if.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
They really believe that carrying out military strikes today you
said Israel was right with our help. I've said we
Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Well, this you're breaking news here because the US government
last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Feiffer
denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on
Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.

Speaker 5 (20:16):
We're not bombing, then Israel's bombing that you just said
we were we are supporting as I says.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
You're a senator if you're saying the United States government
is now we're with Iran. Right now, people are listening.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Candice, you saw it a What do you make about that?
Face off? Right there? Your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (20:33):
So, first thing I want to say is I greatly
respect both of these men. I very much like Ted
Cruz as a person. I have had nothing but positive
relations with him anytime that I come across him. But
in this clip, it really embodies everything that I think
the American people are so frustrated with. Right, you have
a person who is keen to go to war with Iran,

(20:54):
and he is suggesting that it is I guess, a
form of trick to ask him, what is the population
of Iran? If you're going to make a vote that
we should go to war with this nation on behalf
of Israel. And it is a fact that Ted Cruz
accepts a lot of money from APAX, so they lobby,
and you know, the Israel pack lobbies. He's one of
the senators that takes a lot of money from APAC

(21:16):
every year. You would imagine that you've made some estimation
in your mind that A there is a imminent, perceivable
threat to the American people if you are in fact
America first and it's front of out Americans, and B
that if we go to war with them, we can win.
And so in going through that line of questioning in
your head, can we win this, like is there a

(21:37):
threat to American people? You, of course are going to
assess the population size, like we're a nation of three
hundred million people, how big is our military? Their nation
of how many people, how big is their military? And
he hasn't done that. He's omitting like, hey, I actually
don't even know the population size of Iran. I do
expect you to know the population size of Iran. That'd
be a pretty basic thing if you're going to vote
yes to going to war. And the reality is is

(21:59):
he can't answer that question because, like many people in
Congress left and right, they vote according to how they
are lobbied. So if it's Big Pharma, they're voting for
everyone to have to take the COVID vaccine because I
took X amount of dollars from Big Pharma, right, or
I took X amount of dollars from this pharmaceutical company.
If it's big war and you're dealing with the NonStop war.

(22:19):
There's always been a threat in the Middle East, right,
and we've lost all of those wars. Right. The Taliban
has our weaponry. There were no weapons of mass destruction
in Iraq. Generation nine to eleven has grown up. We
are demanding that all of you be able to answer
some basic questions and to explain why a threat which
tulsy gabbered the Director of National Intelligence eight weeks ago

(22:40):
sat down in a congressional hearing and testified that there
was no nuclear threat eight weeks ago. Now suddenly, eight
weeks later, there is one. Right when Israel decides that
they want to bomb Aron. It's a nonsense. And I
am tired of being gas lit by our politicians to
pretend that we don't understand and can't perceive the threats.
The threat Actually, frankly, it Israel because we go to

(23:02):
war and it only benefits them.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
You know, you sound very, very disgusted. I'm wondering where
the word I'm wondering where the word fear comes into play.
I believe I've read or doing my research, I was
told that you feel you need you needed security. Obviously,
some of the things that you say are incredibly polarizing,

(23:28):
particularly in this day and age right now, whether it
should be or not. As for somebody else to conclude,
I'm just telling you what they're saying. When you take
that into consideration right now, as you look at your life,
you just had it just it was on maternity leave,
you got four kids, you're happily married, et cetera. How
comfortable is life for canvae Owens right now or lack

(23:50):
thereof there?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
I say.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
We I want to be honest. I have tremendous fear
of God. And that's why you have to tell the truth.
Right If you do Christ's kingship, and you truly are
a Christian, then your number one fear is of God,
because this is not it. This is we get eighty
years in this life and then we're and then we're
in the next. And so when you see these people

(24:13):
who pretend to be Christians and they look at what
Israel is doing, they look at the NonStop campaign of starvation.
You can look at the videos of them bombing children,
the children crying, shooting children as they try to run
for food, and you pretend to declare Christ's kingship. And
yet what you're actually fearful of is saying that that's
wrong because you don't want to be canceled, because you
don't want to lose your job, because you don't want

(24:34):
people to call you an anti Semite. You know, I
question your sincerity. It's what I would say, can't I
don't sit in the seat of judgment. But what I
say to people is you are going to one day
meet your maker, so you better start doing the right thing,
which is to tell the truth unapologetically. And I want,
in terms of my family, I want my children to
inherit that for me, you know, passionate, to be passionate

(24:58):
for the truth, which is to be passionate for Christ.
Right that that is what Christ is. Christ is the truth.
You have to follow Christ at all times. And I've
made my position very clear on this.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Who are you saying is pretending to be Christian? Just
for clarification, because you alluded.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
To all the argument that has been made by people.
And Tucker Carlson just released further parts of this interview
with Ted Cruz and he says, you know, why should
we follow Israel? And he says, well, the Bible says
that if I, you know, bless Israel, then I will
be blessed. That's what Tucker. That is what Ted Cruz
says to Tucker Carlson about why we should be following
them into this war. And Tucker Carlson, who's a Christian,

(25:33):
pushes back on that. He's like, well, let's get into
the theology of this. You think that you are going
to be blessed, And I'm filling in the blanks here,
but essentially, what Ted Cruz is offering is that you
will be blessed if you allow this nation, which was
created in nineteen forty eight, that Genesis is referring to
this modern nation of Israel, a right to bomb, starve, kill,

(25:53):
take land whenever they want, blackmail our politicians, Jeffrey Epstein,
a lot of questions about who shot JFK and why
we couldn't get those spots. You're gonna be blessed if
you keep supporting this. And that is the reality is
that there was this incursion after the Schofield Bible. And
this is what I really challenge people who believe this

(26:15):
heresy to look into the history of a Scholfield Bible,
look into who funded that Bible, to teach Christians how
to view the nation of Israel. The Bible is not
referring to the modern state of Israel and bb net
and Yahoo. God is not calling upon you to support
the slaughter of women and children perpetually and is going

(26:38):
to award you with heaven because kids are crying and
starving and dying in the Middle East. I mean, you
do have to have If you don't have religious fervor
or religious understanding, please just have a little bit of
common sense. Okay. God does not support the NonStop murder
of innocent lives. That's just like a Christianity.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
One on one back to you, do you have you
heightened your security?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I asked you that question because I heard I heard
that you you've spoken about that.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I'm just asking, I don't know, interested in it? Have you?

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, let's be let's be frank. I have not heightened
my security to answer your question, and the reason for
that is because I understand what kind of demons we're fighting,
and I just have I put my faith in the Lord.
You know, my protection is prayer, and I try to
live my life very honestly and let people know what's
going on in the background. Obviously, I don't know if

(27:29):
you saw this, but while I was on attorney leave,
the FBI called me there was a group chat with
forty Jews in New Jersey plotting my nation. This really happened. Yeah,
a man was arrested. And by the way, the irony
of this is we are told because he was upset
that I'm speaking against the state of Israel. We are
told that in Iran we have to invade because they're

(27:50):
religious fanatics. Right, Well, look what we're dealing with. People
that believe that this state has the right God has
blessed them with the right to murder and kill people.
And we also have their supporters now trying to kill
Candice Owens. That's a fact. You can go book this up, FBI.
Candice Owens, the guy who's been arrested. And by the way,
he pled guilty. This wasn't like, hey, he got caught

(28:11):
up in some plot. He pled guilty to trying to
murder Candace Owens. Yeah. I think that that really does
say it all. We are in quite a paradox here.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
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I want to transition to MAGA because when we think
about the MAGA, we thought about the MAGA right now.
I watched you, or watched a video of you from
years ago in your definition of MAGA, and you were saying,
it's counter to what we're witnessing the day. So on
one side, you might see a conservative commentator like a
Mark Levin, you might see a Ted Cruise, you might

(29:43):
see folks like that, and you look at Donald Trump
and some of the things the president is doing in
this day and age, and you juxtaposed that to a
Steve Bannen, a Tucker Callson, even Marjorie Taylor Green, she
spoke about this as well. You seem to be on
that side. And just to make sure that I'm clear,

(30:05):
but what I'm talking about this is a quote. There's
a tweet from Marjorie Taylor Green on X Tucker Caulson.
It's one of my favorite people. He fiercely loves his wife,
children in our country. Since being fired by the neocon
network Fox News, he has more.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Popularity and viewers than ever before.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
He unapologetically believes the same things I do that if
we don't fight for our country and our own people,
then we will no longer have a country for our
children and our grandchildren and foreign rewards slash intervention slash
regime change, put America last. Kill innocent people are making
us broken, will ultimately lead to our destruction. That's not kookie,
That's what millions of Americans voted for. It's what we

(30:41):
believe is America first. How do you feel about what
Marjorie Taylor Green tweeted there on X Do you completely
agree with her?

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Is there anything that you disagree with?

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Well, let's be clear right now. The people applauding Donald
Trump are Megan McCain, Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz ran against
Donald Trump, and John McCain with his dying breath. It
was an ever Trumper with his dying breath. And I
remember Megan McCain standing at his funeral saying this country
was always great, it never needed to be made made

(31:13):
great again, to take a stab at Trump even as
she was giving words for her father, which is remarkable. Right. So,
if Trump's aligning himself with the people that didn't support him,
and the people that did support him are saying what
he's doing is wrong, that doesn't mean that Maga betrayed Trump.
That means that Trump is betraying MAGA. Okay, Maga is

(31:35):
a term make America great again? And it was because
the America people felt like our country was in a
steep decline while we were being told that we had
to build up every other country with programs, we had
to spread democracy in the Middle East. That's been a
remarkable failure. And at the same time, our veterans are
coming home and they're being treated like crap. We talked

(31:55):
about the farmers, she talked about the ranchers. That was
the vision that Donald Trump painted that made me get
behind him. And I took a lot of bullets for that,
a lot of bullets for that, especially as a black
person is not allowed to vote Republican. And I don't
regret voting for him in twenty twenty and voting for
him and telling people to vote for him because I
truly believe he was the better candidate. And I still

(32:15):
don't regret voting for him against Kamala Harris because I
still believe he was a better candidate. But this is
a betrayal, plain and simple. There's no other way to
say that. And I believe what's motivating that is he
took one hundred million dollars from Miriam Madelson and these
people you're talking about, Mark Levin, they are Israel first. Okay,
Megan McCain, she is war machine first. How's that trust

(32:37):
fund going to get topped up? What did John McCain do?
These people are neocons because they support NonStop war because
that is how they enrich themselves. And if that is
what Trump is aligning with, if that's what he wants
his legacy to be, you know, I came in fighting neocons,
and now I've aligned with him, then that's on him.
That really is. I can't tell him what to think
or what to say, or who to support. I just

(32:59):
won't support it.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That's fair. But does that surprise you?

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Because listen, in fairness to you, like I said, I
haven't spoken. I only spoke to Trump once since he's
been president, and that's when I did the whole town
hall thing on News Nation with Chris Clawlmore and.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bill O'Reilly and those guys.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Prior to that, I'd never spoken to Trump since twenty fourteen.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
But before he ran for president, people.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
In the sports community knew Donald Trump very very well.
We used to go to his fights and is you know,
the casinos and the hotels and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
We used to see him at basketball games.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Talked to him all the time, and that Donald Trump
we knew was what folks, maybe not you specifically, I
don't recall this, but most folks classified the mass candas
he was a deal maker, you know what, whatever way,
whatever it took to get what he wanted, he was
cool with it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
And so for me, this is.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Not a surprise when you talk about him Verren left
in terms of varying wright actually when it comes to
some of the things that he's elected to do. But
most people with MAGA seem surprised, and they do feel
like they are words like betrayal.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
To me, it's more the same. It's who he is.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
He's going to lean towards getting what he wants, and
it's just that simple.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Okay, that's a fair assessment. I would say, why we're surprised,
it's because we had him in office for four years
and he wasn't a warmonger, he wasn't aligned with the neocons.
He was fighting them tooth and nail the first four
years that he was in office, and it seemed to
us that and I think anybody would agree the country
was getting better. I mean that I think that's why
he increased his margins in voting. If we look at
the demographics, like you know, more black men, more black

(34:34):
women voted for him this second time around when he
got into office, because the rhetoric fell on deaf ears
when people were like, oh, he's going to do this,
He's going to bring us into war, we go. He
didn't do that for the first four years. So yeah,
it has been a shift in how he behaved in
the first four years of office. But to put two
and two together, big money wasn't behind him the first time, right,

(34:55):
that was the whole thing. Nobody wanted him. It was
a never Trump movement that was led by the McCain type.
He can't get into office, and so did he buck
to them suddenly when he took that chet from Mariam
Adelson and then change his motivations. Perhaps we're having to
do some internal soul searching for those of us who
have voted for him second and third time to wonder

(35:17):
what is the sea change? But I think you have
to admit that there has been one. He wasn't putting
us into wars from twenty twenty twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Are you fearful at all that the Trump presidency is
in him as in terms of him being the fourth
seth president of United States, that it could end up
being worse than anything you ever imagined if Kamala Harris
had won the election.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Is that possible?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
No. I think Kamala Harris it was going to be
similar to Joe Biden. The advisors and people that were
around her were going to be running the show. We
can disagree on this, but I've never thought that she
had the cognitive capabilities to be running the office. If
you just look at her record and how she really
got into office. And I'm seeking about her Californian record.

(35:58):
But with Trump, I do I have a fear of
World War three? Yeah, that's why we're speaking up and
saying this is unacceptable. Right, That's why we are saying
what you are doing is wrong and letting him know
that we feel betrayed. We went along with it and
said this is fine, we just trust the process. Then
I would probably be more fearful. But I think it's
becoming clear that the basis fractured, and hopefully he'll respond

(36:20):
to that.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Kennice, where do you go from here?

Speaker 1 (36:23):
If he doesn't respond or he doesn't respond favorably to
the kind of things that you are asserting and stating,
where do you go because we know how you feel
about the Democratic Party, okay, and now we're hearing how
you feel about this betrayal that you think that he
has exercised since he's become president.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Again, where do you go from here?

Speaker 1 (36:44):
If that doesn't change as it pertains to him.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well, I think, no matter what, I'm always going to
support a candidate that I believe is telling the truth
or that is going to do the most good for America.
At the end of the day, my day is not
motive by politicians. I don't have faith in politicians, right,
I have faith in Jesus Christ, and so I'm not
this is not going to throw and I'm not going,
oh my god, I'm going to become a Democrat tomorrow or
I'm going to become a I'm no longer going to

(37:10):
vote for Republicans anymore. I think that if anything, if
he really truly continues to follow this and does what
Bibet and Yahoo wants, then it's going to bring both
sides close together because we're going to recognize that everything
is about keeping us warm from another while the same
people at the top are benefiting the oligarchs, the war machine,

(37:31):
and so I don't have plans to leave the Republican Party.
Like I said, I don't regret voting for him. I
regret what he's doing right now. And until I see
who the candidates are, I won't be able in the future.
I won't be able to remark on where I'm going
to go because I'm always going to follow what I
believe to be right.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Does any candidates stand out there in your mind? I mean,
when I think about it, they've been talking about me
as a presidential candidate.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Candads get that out their head. I'm not qualified, I
don't know. I'm learning stuff from you and everybody else.
I don't know any better. I don't know any better.
And Devin, I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
But I will tell tell you I am interested in
highlighting those who deserve to be highlighted from both sides
of the isle to make sure we can do what
we can to get this country steered in the right
direction and see some figurative light at the end of
the tunnel. Per se, Is anybody that's standing out in
your mind that we should pay close attention to moving forward?

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Thomas Massey of Kentucky. He has been the most consistent
America first person. He has earned the ire of Trump
and the ire of APAC because he does not accept
their money, and he votes against every war, and he
will not send a single dollar overseas. He votes against
every measure to send money overseas until the American people
are taking Hara first. And so yeah, he is the

(38:43):
person that I peer pressure the most to run for president,
and I would get behind him, and I feel that
he would never betray the American people because you can
look at his voting record and see where he stands
on the issues.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Damn, kid, this only one does. How I asked you, you
got some names, you gave me one. I'm going like that.
That's a bad state of affairs. As much as you
know about politics, as much as you follow this stuff.
If I ask you an open ended question like that
and you only give me one name, I got a
reason to be really really nervous candas, because that means
you don't believe in any of them.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, I mean, when it comes to Israel, it's crazy
to see how they vote. It's a nonsense Ukraine as well,
the way that they've just been sending our money into
an effective laundry mat None of this is okay, and
the American people should be upset that we've been promised, Oh,
we're going to stop this. We're not going to do this,
And it's always the next emotional conditioning of why we
have to send money overseas while the American people continue

(39:37):
to suffer and our cities are in the state of decline.
So no, I'm not impressed with politicians on the left
or the right at the moment. At varying degrees. Some
are they portray us more than others. But there's no
one that I find to be impressive right now. And
maybe there's some people that I'm missing, and I'm sure
I'm sure I am that are outside that sit outside
of DC. But in terms of people that are in DC,

(39:58):
Thomas Nassey is the first thing that mind.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
I think, Listen, it's not to me. I don't have
a problem with America. First.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I do have a problem with America only because I
don't want to be a nationalist to the point that
I forget the global perspective, because obviously we do business
across the world. Where I think about Israel, I'm saying
to myself that's supposed to be the lone democracy in
the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
You're looking at Ukraine.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Okay, if you don't support them, then Russia gets more empowered.
I get a bit concerned about that. Again, I don't
know as much as people like yourself, but those are
the kind of things from a distant perspective, I look
at it and I say, Okay, I don't want to
just be pouring money all over the place. But in
the same breath, if these other nations need our assistance
and their allies of ours, I'm not opposed to that necessarily.

(40:43):
Do you believe in having a global impact, having our
footprints around the world globally to make sure that the
world is a better place or a safer place to
some degree?

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Do you believe in us playing that kind of role?

Speaker 3 (40:58):
First and foremost, I do not support you. Do not
support Zelenski. I think he's a modern day Bolshevik who's
mass sending Christians to slaughter in an unwinnable war. He's
just mass murdering Christians. And so if you're telling me,
at least you know Putin is defending Christians at this
single moment. And I don't pick Putin over Ukraine, but
I know that Ukraine is more corrupt because we conducted

(41:19):
a color revolution and we installed someone in Ukraine back
in twenty fourteen. John McCain was behind that. And this
is what we do all over the world, these fake
protests and then we overthrow a duly elected leader, and
that's what we did in Ukraine. Ukraine is a corrupt
country and it's a laundry mat of America. Israel is
not a democracy by any stretch of the imagination. You

(41:40):
cannot say it is a democracy and then listen to
their absolute bs excuses as to why Gaza is treated
in the way that it is and why Gaza doesn't
have any voting rights. You know, Oh, well they when
we gave them voting rights, Why are you giving them
anything If you're sitting here saying that at that moment,
you accepted that they could run their own They could

(42:02):
run what they wanted to in Gaza at that time.
But you have the power to turn off the lights,
shut off the electricity, to shut off the water. This
isn'n apartheid state. This is what Gaza is. And I'm
glad you're showing images. They have been treating these people
basically just above the poverty line not allowing too much
food into Gaza for a very long time, and Norman
Finkelstein was the person who woke me up to really

(42:24):
how Gaza is run. It's a partheip state. They don't
have voting rights, and no one should support it and
keep allowing people to call it a democracy. It it's
absolutely foolish. And again that's because they keep us ignorant
in America with ridiculous biblical arguments that are actually heretical
and it's not what the Bible is expressing at all.
But all of that aside, ask going back to your question, Yes,

(42:44):
I am America first. I am not necessarily America only,
but I am only going to be America first until
we fix our issues. And that is again common sense. Right,
you have a household, if you've got to feed your kids.
If I said, hey, Steven, actually don't feed your kids,
and I'm going to need you to feed the neighbor's kids,
I'm gonna need you to feed my kids and people

(43:05):
are that you don't even know out in Utah first
while your kids are starving, you would go that makes
no sense. Of course, I'm going to make sure my
kids are fed first. These this is America. Let's make
sure that our people are taking care of first, that
our people are able to live well, to have jobs,
and to feed their families. Uh, before we go around

(43:26):
trying to fix the world's problems. I mean, we send
dollars for ridiculous things to establish you know, trans rights
in Pakistan, Like, what are we doing? That's just that's
a laundry mat that's the money is obviously not going there,
it's being stolen from the American people.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
But what about the issuest is going on right here
in this country when we're talking about the immigration issue
in Los Angeles and how you've got you know, the
president sending four thousand members of the National Guard, seven
hundred marines to the city of Los Angeles. Obviously it
sparked the protest throughout this nation. No King's protests, because
you know, the left was going to be diametrically.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Opposed to his position.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
It's not just stuff going on abroad, it is stuff
going on right here in the streets of America. What
do you say about that, because, like you said, fixing
our own house obviously should be a priority in your eyes.
I don't disagree with you there, but what do you
have to say about that what's been going on in.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
La Obviously, it is the job of the federal government
when you have an incursion, as we did during during
Biden's administration, of millions of people coming across the border,
to get those people out of the country. Who does
that hurt It hurts us, obviously, when all of these
people are unaccounted for in our country and playing a
part in the economy while they're not paying taxes. That's ridiculous.
You got to go home. There was a legal way

(44:36):
to get into this country. I know because I married
an immigrant and it took us seven years, okay seven
years for my husband to go through the process to
become a legal American. So I am especially insulted when
these people pretend that there's just no way to do this.
It's a long process, it's a hard process. But you
can do that, and you're not going to tell me
that all of these people need to stay in the
country that they've been in for less than four years,

(44:58):
especially the newcomers under like very open border policy. Americans
suffer when people are in this country unaccounted for. Sorry, adios, amigoes,
you got to go home. I don't care at all.
You've got to follow the rules. I'm not going to
feel bad for you because you broke the law and
got away with it while there was a different president.
And to the extent that you're going to have then

(45:20):
individual states saying oh no, we're going to allow people
to break the law. And yet everyone in the entire Tennessee,
whether you're in Texas tency, we all have to pay
for it. That's ridiculous. That's absolutely we are going to
all have to pay for it. Why should I have
to go to work to pay for people that broke
into this country? So I don't understand it. But going
back to your question, of course this should be addressed first. Right,

(45:41):
these are uprising that are taking place in America. These
are issues in the bates that need to be had
and one in America. And that is another reason why
we should not be having discussions about what Israel is doing.
They're always doing the same thing. They're bombing innocent people
and claiming that they have a right to do it.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Please don't tell me your feelings about what you just
discribed going on in LA in terms of the immigration issue.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
You don't feel that way about the children, do you? Children.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I mean, it doesn't matter if it's to use the
to say that the argument is that a child is
allowed to break the law. Let me tell you why
that's really wrong. They say, this is like the separation argument.
You're going to separate them from their parents. No, first off,
everyone should go home together. You should take your child,
and you should go back to Mexico. The second thing
I want to say about how ridiculous sad is is
we would never have the argument that if let's use
an example of a black man, a black man commits

(46:28):
a crime in America. You know, let's let's say he
shot someone and now he's got to go to prison.
We wouldn't say, please tell me that you've considered judge that,
yeah he shot someone, Yeah he broke the law, but
he has a child, so please don't imprison him. Please
allow him to be released. Back on to the treat No, no, no,
you break the law, whether you're black, white, Hispanic, comfort

(46:49):
in other country, there has to be a consequence for that.
And we understand on a molecular level, of course, you're
going to be separated from your child and go to
prison if you break the law. It's the exact same
thing here. Your children and you you should not be separated.
Should all have to go home when your parent breaks
the law. Unfortunately, the children have to suffer the consequences
of that. Sometimes daddy has to go to jail. Sometimes

(47:10):
daddy has to go back to Mexico.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
You're very, very popular. You don't need my help in
being even more popular. But you're gonna get it anyway,
because anybody that I bring on from now on that
has an opposition to anything you said, I'm gonna play
your clips, Candas, I'm gonna play your clips.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
For them to see.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I'm gonna say, hey, did you see what she said?
What's your responses? I'm just letting you know in advance.
I'm just letting you know an advance. I'm gonna be like, look,
did you hear what she said? Just so you know,
because I want you to know this. Folks out there
to think like this, They feel this way, and they're
making very valid points and just want y'all to know that.
But listen, before I let you get on out of here,
and I really appreciate your time, I know, I gotta
let you go. I had to get back to Tucker

(47:48):
Casta because of the war Room podcast. He had told
ho Steve bann In this about his former employee of
Fox News.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Check this out, Candace.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
That's not by popular acclaim. That's not like their viewer
surveys like we need a lot, Mark Levin unless Jesse
Water's more Mark Levin. What they're doing is what they
always do, which is just turning up the propaganda hos
to full blast and just trying to, you know, knock
elderly Fox viewers off their feet and make them This is.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
This is where the here's my problem with Tucker costs
In on this one canvas. I heard none of that
when he was at Fox News.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
None of it. None of it. Now I'm hearing this
from him. Now That's my only issue.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
You what you ask about, You weren't watching Tucker before
he got fired. There's a reason he got fired. Tucker
was standing up to the war machine. He was standing
up to Ukraine. That is the literal reason why Fox
News got rid of Tucker. He was anti war and
he has, by the way, admitted and we are all
subject to changing our opinions in the past. When he
was on CNN, actually I think he was very pro
I rock war and how wrong he was on the

(48:54):
Iraq war and he believed the weapons of mass destruction
was that provided a turning point for him to be
anti war when heiz is that actually this is a machine.
And so while he was at Fox News, he's covered
a ton of things, but when it came down to
a new war, Tucker was bringing in people online to
talk about why we absolutely should not be going to
war with Ukraine, and it became problematic for the execs

(49:15):
because just what he's saying, you know, they appealed to
a market of people who believe that there's a threat
around the corner. Elderly people who need to believe that
they're going to be nukes are going to be dropped
on them because they grew up in a generation where
there was a nuclear threat with Cuba, and Tucker Carlson
was not serving them.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So he had to go last question to you and
again thank you for your time. I know you got
to go. I got to ask you this question. I
was watching a video of you.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
I don't know whether it was from weeks ago or so,
I'm trying to remember the date, but you was talking about,
you know, watching what you say.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Because you're going to be banned but you don't care.
This is how it is.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
You absolutely don't mind, et cetera, because you're going to
keep on going.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
What are your.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Expectation for you What are your expectations for those who
are as outspoken as you on these very very sensitive
issues moving forward? Considering the landscape that we're living in,
YouTube shows, podcasting, etc. Linear television in the fourth of State,
and the politics that invaded from time to time are

(50:20):
ever present, we all know this. What are your expectations
for yourself moving forward? What are you looking forward to?
What do you fear, if anything at all?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
You know?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
I think last year was really kind of the test
for me where I chose truth and I was severely
caricatured and attacked in the media, you know, lost my job.
And on the other side of that for sticking to truth,
the reward has been Actually, my platform has gotten even
bigger and more people are listening to me than ever before.
And so I hope what people learn from that is

(50:52):
while telling the truth is hard because lies spread quicker,
a lie is quicker. It's the race of the tortoise
and the hair. At the end of the day, and
the truth gets around to it. It always wins. It's
more powerful because you only have to hear the truth
wants to know that it's true, whereas lies have to
be told repeatedly to try to convince you the other way.
And so I'm gonna keep telling the truth and see

(51:14):
where the chips land, because I know where they're gonna land.
It's going to land inevitably on the side of justice
and reality and truth. So that's where I'll be ken this.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I appreciate you. You know that. I love having you
on the show. I love listening to you. Some of
the stuff is scary as hell. Can this ain't gonna
lie to you? Now? You know, as you.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Edify yourself and you learn more and more and you
hear your truth is actually the truth, and a lot
of circumstances, Okay, at the end of the day, it
still gets a bit scary. But like you said, it
calls for bravery from time to time, There's no question
about that, and all of us need to stand up
and have it. So I'm certainly not going to engage
in condination like a lot of people and me, I'm

(51:53):
an independent, but I've always been appalled at the black
community in terms of how we've acted towards black conservatives.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
My attitude is hear what.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Folks has to say, decipher what's true and what's false,
and attack them based on that as opposed to think
and they're supposed to think a certain way.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
And if they don't, how dare you.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
I love the fact that you're contrariy in that regard,
that you stand up, that you're fearless in that regard,
and I really really appreciate it. I don't always agree
with you, girl, I really don't, but I do appreciate
where you're coming from, and I appreciate you edifying a
lot of folks about what we need to be edified about.
Thank you so much, and I'm looking forward to having
you on the show in the future. And I must
confess I am waiting for and invite myself. I haven't

(52:36):
gotten that from Candace on.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I haven't got it.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
You're always welcome you come down Tennessee. I have you
on the pod.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Will be so fun. That's right, Nashville, Nashville. Is that
what it is?

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Nashville?

Speaker 2 (52:46):
All right? All right, I'll take you up on that.
Thanks so much.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
You take care right, Thank you for having me my
thanks to Candide ow Is you can watch your show
Candice on YouTube over four plus million followers. By the way,
she ain't lying about that.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It's over two million last year, it's over four million. Now.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
She's doing a thing. People are listening, making no mistake
about that. Coming up, I'll share my thoughts on that
conversation you just heard with yours truly and the one
of the only Candace Owens.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Stick around more to stephen A.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Smith's show, or me specifically to close out the show
in a minute, Welcome back to the stephen A.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
My closing thoughts on this conversation that I just had
with the one of the only Candace Owns is very
very simple.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
I'm not gonna stop with her.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
She said a lot of things, obviously, things that some
would deem incendiary, particularly if you're a member of the
Jewish community and you're support of what Prime Minister Benjamin
that Yahoo is doing as it pertains to Israel and
it's situation with Iran. Not to mention other things that
she did not you know, she didn't avoid what happening

(54:00):
in Gaza, how folks are being displaced, how folks are
being killed, etc. You threw out ther you heard me
throw out, how you know what we saw what happened
October seventh. We saw people kidnapped, killed, there's still hostages
held by her mass.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
We saw all of that. But you heard her response
on this particular show.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
It's apropos from the standpoint that she has a lot
to say. It's consistent with what she said on her
own platform and various others on numerous occasions spanning the
last couple of years. But we're not going to stop
there for the purposes of this show. That's one opinion,
that's hers. We'll have opposite points of view, opposite opinions.

(54:41):
We're not here to support or denigrate anybody. When I'm
sitting down and I'm interviewing somebody, I'm listening to what
they have to say, and I'm putting it out there
for the people to hear their.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
True, authentic thoughts.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
And I think it was important in this particular instance
because she's so vehemently speaking against Prime Minister Benjamin at
Yahoo in Israel at this particular moment in time. Whether
it's Mark Levin or somebody else who's considered a warhawk
that is vehemently and adamantly pro Israel, they'll be on

(55:16):
this show too. We'll have Democrats, will have Republicans, We'll
have folks that support Ukraine, will have people that me
might be against funding Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
The list goes on and on. That's what we do here,
and the Steven especially on.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Keep in mind, come first week in September, I'm gonna
have my own show on a potish channel on Sirius
XM once a week. So these kind of issues are
the kind of issues we'll discuss and get into there
as well. It's not gonna interfere with my sports show,
which is gonna be five days a week on Mad
Dog Sports Radio from one to three pm Eastern Standard
time every weekday, re airing at six to eight pm

(55:54):
Eastern Standard time. That show on Potus will be separate,
but it's just going to show you I'm not running
from anything or any issues, and I'm certainly not going
to run from talking to anybody.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
We want to hear what people have to say.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Then we want to research and edify our minds and
our thoughts to make sure that what they're saying is
accurate or inaccurate, and from there we propel forward trying
to enlighten folks along with ourselves and doing what we
can to contribute to making this country in this world
a much much better place. So I know that some
of you out there may not have wanted to hear
a damn thing that Candice Owers had to say, but

(56:33):
four plus million people subscribe to listen to her every
chance they get, and not everybody in America or this
world for that matter, can say that what she says matters,
and a lot more often than not, she seems to
know what the hell she's talking about. It's very rare

(56:54):
you hear somebody says she's clueless, she don't know what
she's saying. You don't hear it about her. You want
to refute what she has to say and defy her positions,
you better know what the hell you're talking about, because
she certainly does usually, if not always. That's why I

(57:15):
had on the show, and that's why I can't wait
to have folks with opposing views to.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
What she proclaimed on this show as well. Here in
all sides, enlightens us, All.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Makes me better, makes you better. Keep that in mind
when you're thinking about the Steven A.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
You never know what I'm gonna hit you with. You
never know where it's coming from, but I'm gonna always
do my best to keep it as real as we
possibly can keep it. That's what this show aspires to
be about, and I hope today was a step toward
doing that even more so, especially these steps in the

(58:00):
future that might be antithetical to anything that came out
of her mouth.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
We shall see, we shall see. That's it for this
edition of The Stephen A. Smith Show.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
I hope y'all enjoyed it, the conversation with myself and
canadae owens feel free to tune into The Steven Aate
Smith Show at least three times a week over the
digital airwas of YouTube. Okay, and until next time, I'll
see you. Got an NBA Finals to cover here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Peace of love, everybody, talk to you a couple of days.

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