October 15, 2025 • 60 mins
Curly and Maya sit down with Cain Culto—a Kentucky-born, Colombian-Nicaraguan artist blending Appalachian strings, Afro-Latin rhythms, and queer magic into what he calls Kentucky Latin Art-Pop. From church fiddle to viral hits like “KFC Santería,” Cain’s music turns the dance floor into a glittery ritual of joy, rebellion, and cultural remixing. Holy, horny, and hilarious—Cain’s not here to fit in; he’s here to conjure.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do you feel like your tracks can also be spouse?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The praise doesn't make me. Everyone turning on me for
whatever reason doesn't make me. It's like, am I on
my path? Am I standing by what I believe is true?
Like my integrity? And you know? I came back to
my senses and I was like, how did I get here?
Whatever led me to this moment? I have to fully
like flip my life. I was like, this is exactly
(00:26):
what I've been craving. Hot news. We have a song
together coming out. My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast Season four is here
and we're locked in.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
That means more juicy cheese man, terrible love advice.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Evil spells to cast on your eggs.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, we're not doing meant this season?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not
gonna want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So what are you waiting for? Get in here?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Oh my gosh, I wonder who's on the Super Secret
Bestie Club today?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's me.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It can't go a rapper.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That that doesn't sound like?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh God?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is that how I sound? I mean? I think you anyway?
You sound much better than that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Amazing. I just am not very good at impressions. The
only impression that I'm really good at is Barack Obama?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
And okay, the and what was you put NOA in danger?
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm worse. I'm so bad impressions.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Who are you?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I can't do anything?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Are you terrible? That? But you try?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh no, because I'm so bad at all of them, like,
oh god, dosh accent terrible one?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Do what?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like? No?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Let me? I can't have some porridge please?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, on that note, welcome back to another episode of
the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast Curly. How's your spirit?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
My spirit is good? How's your spirit?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My spirit's good? I got some cherries here, even though
I don't like cherries.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm allergic. Oh my gosh, don't even but I still
eat them because I just like my mouth starts to
get really.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Itchya gets really sharp eyes.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The last time I started, my eyes started getting really itchy.
But I keep eating. They're so good.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
They are good, but I don't like when they're like flavored,
like they can't get the flavor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Wrong or right flavor cherry candy.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I think it was like, you know, the cherry cough medicine.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I know exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's garred me for life. Anyway, we have a beautiful
guest here. You just see the boots.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's the bots are booty.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You look beautiful, which is great.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Libra yes, so I mean we'll get into this later,
but you're Libra, right, and Libras are like one of
the most beautiful signs of the zodiac. Like, truly, do
you know your venus sign Scorpio?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh okay, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Wow, I'm kind of I think not to t m
I anybody in this room or listening, but I actually
learned how to have sex because of a scorpio.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Before that, I was.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Like rigid and prude and I didn't know what I
was doing and I was it was like literally like
a beached whale. But we have fighting guests with us,
which is the amazing. Raised in Kentucky. You're Colombian and Nigerian, right, No, Nigerian, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What it said. I went, I don't know why said Nigerian.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's great record scratch.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
What if you just were like, yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So you went from playing the fiddle in a church, yeah,
and worshiping and a worship pastor dissummoning a whole new
genre that you call Kentucky Latin art pop. Yeah, with
viral anthems like KFC, Santaria and Gallima that I say
that correctly. Kine turns the danceport into a ritual equal
parts queer joy, spiritual rebellion, and tongue in cheek cultural commentary.
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His music is myth making for the modern age, mixing
sacred and scandalous into something entirely his own. Whether he's
crooning about fried chicken and witchcraft or leading a crowd
and what feels like a technic technic colored sermon. King
Tuto is proved that pop music can be holy, horny,
and fun all at once.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Welcome King, How is your spirit? Your spirit good? The
retrograde has been a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I don't believe in what you're good anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We're not.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't believe in it anymore. I just don't have time.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Don't care.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't know. It's been affecting me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
This last one was bad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Really said the same thing. Huh. It was the same
thing because.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
There was like other things happening right.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And specifically for I think even in the last couple
of days. I think mars is in libra.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, yeah, so does that mean you're fighting which just
left and right or what?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's just a lot of confrontational energy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Are you talking people in the neck and no, not yet?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Are you like.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really sweet or do you are? What? Are you more of?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Are you more like sweet? Are you more like I?
Are you confrontational? I feel like libras are like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, I'm very sweet. I try to see everyone's perspective. Ye,
but I am. I think my partner would say I'm
confrontational maybe at first.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, okay, okay, you can say yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
At first, I like shut down.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I think that's like a coping mechanism that I'm still
working through. Of like when I'm overwhelmed, when I'm angry,
I'm going to close down. I'm not going to explode.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But do you say, like, hey, I just need a
quick moment to think.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'll say I'm getting Yeah. Now I communicate like I'm
all right, I just need to process this. That's me
and then we.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Come back and we'll handle it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's new.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's very he means literally storry on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I bottle it up.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I do and then it's like I just think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm very you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Know, yeah, I'm very that person too. But I cry.
I'm a crier.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I literally have cry baby tattered on my tummy because
my grandma used to call me on and so I
just cry.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean I cry a lot. Yeah, yeah, I'm a crier.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think part of it is I like to intellectualize
my emotions and so I need to like understand it
before us.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, that's because you have earth sign moon and so
that makes a.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You were a youth pastor, well, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Get into that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean I don't know. I just really plugged into
the church at a young age.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
When church was it Catholic, Christian.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Protestant, like non de nom like evangelical, kind of megachurchy,
I kind of did.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It all okay? And then you learned how to play
the fiddle there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, well through school, so I went to like a
little like private arts school, like through elementary, middle school,
high school. So yeah, I picked up the violin and
then it just made sense to play in church. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So were you like super into faith? Were you like yes, Lord, yes, Lord, yes, yes,
R that's what they taught.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Me at school, vacation Bible school.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, wow, so were you there like secret gay and
you're just like I'm getting a conjurept and spells.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I think true truly. I think I am a
mystic at my core. So I think I was always
going to pursue a spiritual path, but religion was like
the thing that was offered to me for that. Yeah,
and so it was very sincere for me. Yeah, Like yeah,
started you know in worship band and you know the
cultural aspect of it. But then I like really took
(07:51):
it on very devoutly. Yeah, and would like because in
for for college, I went to like a Christian Universe
today and so I'm minored in biblical studies. But even
more than that, I was like leading prayer groups. I
was like fasting, like all the very devout things. And
it was not it was like sincere, like I just
(08:12):
wanted to i don't know, serve God and the church
and like, ikind of.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Like me a little bit how coming up a little bit.
When I was younger, I used to like go and
make a little alters. From like eight years old, I
like to make alters and stuff like that, and like
I wanted to praise and a lot of mediums and psychics.
I wonder if this you get this teo will be
like you were like a priestess, you were a priest
and a past life.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I had a dream once that I was a cardinal.
They were going to be had me. But I'll like, yeah,
do you ever have Do you feel like you had
past life?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think so. I mean I think it's because it
comes so naturally to make like the spiritual path, and
but I also think as queer people, I think we've
had to at least for me, I think I dove
so deeply into Christianity because I couldn't be casual about it,
like we're straight. People can be culturally Christian and it's
(09:02):
kind of like a thing that they can like, yeah,
I adhere to that, but then they can kind of
do what they want. Like I had to be all
or nothing because I felt like I couldn't be queer
and if I wasn't going to live out being a
queer person, then I was going to devote myself to
really totally. Yeah, and I was ex gay too, like
I would horribly like preach against it. I was going
(09:24):
to ask you totally I love that for us my
character arc yeah the most, Like yeah, yeah, it's recontextualized.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So what was like take us into that, like like
how did you come out of that? And yeah, and
you know kind of have this was like a realization?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah it was. It was an intense moment. So I
was in a Christian band touring, you know, plugged in
working out a church. Uh, and I think it just
all piled up on me, just like how out of
touch I was with my body, with my mind, and
I fully went into like a spiritual psychosis type of
event that left me hospitalized for a week, like I
(10:08):
split from reality entirely, really drama, and you know, I
came back to my senses and I was like, how
did I get here? Whatever led me to this moment?
I have to fully like flit my life. So yeah,
it was a year.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Have you found like your connection to spirituality and like
your greater power now or is it something that you've
kind of like abandoned like where are you at now
in terms of higher power energy?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Totally? Yeah. I had to take like a year pretty
much after that. I had to just get away from
anything spiritual. And it's funny because as I was in
my mind getting away from spirituality. Right, maybe it was
the ethereal things. It was just grounding into the earth.
And then from that practice I found spiritual traditions that
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grounded me in my body, that centered me with the
cycles of the season. You know. Yeah, all those things
brought me back to here, and then that became kind
of the beginning seeds of a spiritual path that then, yeah,
it does embrace kind of the mystical and the mystery
of life. But is I think the main thing that
I had to let go was fundamentalism, which is just
(11:16):
the closed minded dogma that defined all of my early
you know, upbringing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What do you think God is now? Like, what does
God represent to you? Wow?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's I mean, I think anyone that is able to
define it, it's too small of a definition for God, right,
So it's the thing beyond. It's I think that's why
I say mysticism and a mystic it's God is the mystery,
and I think we have glimpses and everything kind of
we can tap into it. But I'd like to say,
(11:46):
for me, sometimes God is just the eyes to see
the beauty in life. Like it's almost the perspective it's
how you how you the eyes through which you see
the world world. You either see God and everything or
you see the brokenness, the pain, the distortion. It's kind
(12:07):
of how you choose to frame it all.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, like the lens almost the lens.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And then and then it's funny that creates also oh
whate hundred that creates the future. The beauty that is God,
you know, God's source, energy whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I think that's one of the things that people, I
think forget when it comes to like faith. And we
talk about this all the time, like we're huge manifestors.
Your mom is like a huge like manifestation person that
we always talk to. And I think that the thing
that people forget is we're co creating in real time,
you know what I mean, Like I really believe. I
always talk about the power of the word. The power
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of the word, like is truly just it's the vibration.
It's what holds the atoms together. It's like sound like
it's gravity. And I think that's what God is to me.
Sometimes I think I like to play with God as
being this huge energy and source and all knowing, and
then sometimes I make God like a little orb that's
like hi.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Curly, like super sweet, like what are we getting today?
Like what can I help you with? You know, just
super so like personal, like a little cloud. It's like
I love like super whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I feel like we're all mirrors and extensions of each other,
which I feel like obviously is like creation as well.
And there was this this one intuitive I was talking
or this go on deta that I was talking to,
and I was having some difficulties with somebody, and she
said to look at their third eye and say, like
the God in me is the God in you, to
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kind of like not villainize that other person, but as
a reminder of like, you know, this person is also
a creation of you know, higher power and of God
and the universe. And just because like you're having some
differences doesn't mean like they don't still get that sort
of grace unless it's like you know, like our enemy
(13:58):
or like our president.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Or something.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Like Maya Angelo the areas used to be like that
would make that which made the bigot also made me
like it's the same source of the same energy. It's
a different iteration of the same Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, it's just crazy to me how some people
can like feel the same way that we feel about
God and the universe and spirituality and religion. But like,
don't you get those people who are like, yeah, I
just give it all to God. Well, God has forgiven
all of my sins, And but that doesn't mean that
(14:37):
you don't still need to hold yourself accountable and apologize
to whoever it is you need to apologize to. Like
what the fuck is that?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, like spiritual bypassing,
Like a lot of people approach religion Christianity for example,
to kind of cleanse of guilt, and that serves a purpose,
you know, but then it can also be enabling, right,
And I think that's why we're seeing with Christian nationalism,
like this harmful movement that is almost fed by this
(15:25):
evangelical theology that like cleanses you of any responsibility for
the harms and for the responsibility to grow and become
educated and to evolve and understand the world in a
more complex way. It's like, no, just follow this little
book that gives you all the answers, Like, no, we
have to look at our brothers and sisters and understand
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different perspective. The ideology enables that, and this is spiritual
tradition behind it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Are you finding that with your music and your message right,
because you are putting a lot of like messages out
there that a lot of people believe but.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Maybe are too afraid to say.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, how are you dealing with Are you being criticized heavily?
Are you seeing that in like in your dms and
your comments? Are you are Have you been received yeah,
a lot of love? Have you received a lot of critique?
And how do you deal with?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, it's been a lot of love, honestly. And
it's because I think when I was, like I mentioned,
I was in a Christian band for a couple of
years in it, you know, I was touring, so it
was a proper thing. And when I came out or
when I was even kind of like beginning to talk
about more feminist theology within the Christian space, oh my god,
the backlash was insane.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And I think as they saw me as a leader
within those spaces, so they're like, don't say that, you know,
like trying to control the situation. But it was like
the most insane hate I've ever seen, just like flooding,
like and like yeah, like random like YouTubers would make
videos on me, and then their fan bases would be
mobilized to just like cat like one account commenting ten
(16:56):
times yeah, a bunch of those accounts at the same Christians.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like super like yeah, also, that's a good sign for you.
Our friend Coco Moco was just on yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh yeah. She was talking about like how you know
somebody is about to pop off like on the internet
or like, you know, rise to fame is when people
on the outside start talking about you and start to
you know, create these sort of like narratives even though
you know it doesn't feel good, but it's still like
you're still talking about totally.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
She looks at people like if they are they find
their niche and they keep doing it, repeating it, and
then when other people who are not friends are related
start talking about it.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So Cocomco is like this like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I know, I've.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She was just on the episode yesterday.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah so she literally so literally what you're saying right now.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's kind of like the beginning
of the start, right it was.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It was, and it's beautiful because it was an experience
that I had to learn because I want this to grow,
like I want king culture to keep expanding. I mean,
I'm making pop music. It's for people, right yeah, And
with that comes you know, praise and right now a
lot of support, but there's always you know, backlash for
whatever reason. And so like I think I learned through
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that that the praise doesn't make me. Everyone turning on
me for whatever reason doesn't make me. It's like, am
I on my path? Am I standing by what I
believe is true, like my integrity and what comes will come.
Maybe people won't get in the moment, maybe they'll get
it later. Yeah, but I just have to stay true
to my path. And I'm glad I experienced that. It
(18:33):
was hard, but now even like it's it's so exciting
to feel all the positivity and the comments, but it's
like it also you have to just put it in
its place. It's what it is, and some people place
too much value on it and it's nice, like I
invite it, but I also don't need it, if that exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, I mean for us, I still have a really
hard time with it. So like I'll have like, yeah,
kind of like I'll get like a weird message or
a DM or something, and I'll kind of be like
and I've been doing this for like ten plus years, right,
And so I'll get a message and I'll be like,
I don't like that this person is painting me as something.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That the specific way that you're Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That a lot of other people who also are like
still in it, Like, so I love what you're saying
in terms of like just looking at it for what
it is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but sometimes it's hard and sometimes like little things
will get under your skin. I'm trying to think of,
like I think what's funny because I troll so much
too with my art, so like there's also the aspect
that I'm always poking at it, like I want people
to feel a certain way. So maybe that's why I'm
able to contextualize it so much of like and you
(19:39):
know what it is, It's probably because I present kanekolto,
and in my mind that's kind of different than like me.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's literally what Coco is.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Saying, Yes, yeah, these personas and yeah yeah, where they'll
talk about them. Artists will talk about themselves in a
third person, which is like, I mean, you know, my
my profile is like our channel is like mine in
the moment, So I'll be like, that's mine in the moment,
thing like I'm Maya, you know, and you're like the
Curly v.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Show naos, So like that to me is like the
most intimate name. Some people are like, oh curly, that
also feels very intimate, but they still don't access got
a lithos, you know. But I will say that when
the shitty comments are really funny. I got one the
other day years ago. I did one about like I
was like touching a spider and I was pretending to
be scared, and there was a comment that was like,
(20:29):
how is this guy afraid of a spider but he's
not afraid of a dick in his ass?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And was like touche tushi working on it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But yeah, because you do a lot of good things too,
like when you mix your music, like you also talk
about and we're I'm I consider myself like who I
called myself a little for years? Yeah, I actually think
most latinos are, but they.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Won't call it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, there's something like so heavy about that word that
even my Gundetta, who's like I'm like, you know, we're
all like brukas or whatever, she's like, don't call me that. Yeah,
and she's like a little more more like old school, but.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm there's a negative connotation connotation. Maybe that's why I
like it, because it feels more against some sort of
institution or some sort of expectation, and maybe I'm not
interested in trying to convince people of my goodness. You know,
maybe that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
When you do.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I love like I do consider myself a bo all
the time, and I'm always in prayer. I literally I'm
always praying and I'm burning shit in the house all
the time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Like everywhere that I've ever lived feels like a church.
Like that's just my That's how I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I feel like church.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't ever want Like people like, do you want
to get modern lighting on your ceiling? I'm like I don't.
I just need candles everywhere, Like that's all I want.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I need to church.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
But like one of my favorite things is that when
I'm like in prayer mode or casting, I really feel
like my eyeballs go and I go into like the zone.
Like when you're in the zone, do you practice, Like
what do you practice? Or is it like in your
music or you is it in your writing?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Is it in your It's funny. I have told my
friends this before when I'm like in creative mode. It's
when I feel so tapped in and it almost in
a way that feels overwhelming. I feel this influx of
like energy within me and maybe it's inspiration. I don't
I don't know how to put perfect language behind it.
(22:27):
But it even feels like a high truly, like I
get a little lightheaded, a little like elevated. Maybe even
the word is like kind of lucid, you know. And
so part of practice has been to ground in that
state as well, because I am getting into these kind
of like the veil is a little thin right.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now, Yeah, right, I mean yeah, I have a hard
time grounding.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So grounding has been and I mentioned that at the beginning.
That's been my lesson with what I've gone through. It's
as these things come naturally to me, the sensitivities, the flow.
How do I ground in the physical because I mean
we're here, you know, if we are all source or
have some spiritual essence to us all, we're here in
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the physical. We're humans. Yeah, what is the lesson in
this life for me to do?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Through three D physicality?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know, I just never feel like here, like nothing
is ever like I don't know I went to get
my car service today at the car dealer, and the
guy who opened the door for me, I was like,
are you like, is this meant to be? Like it's
so symbolic. It's not just like you're just gonna get
your oil fucking change and call it a day.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's like everything has a meaning.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I think it's so heavy. Everything is so meaningful. Like
people will be like, why didn't you answer my emails?
And I was like, well, I was thinking about how
adams together vibrate together. Maybe that's how matters me, and
that's how the god is. Like I'm just always in
my head in that way, but never about like, oh
I have to go home and make them like positive
for myself tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's literally just all like, well, what's your son virgo
double scorpio.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I'm literally not anythings or something, but like everything is
super like I you know, what have you seen Leland Stitch.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Love one of my favorite Disney movies.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You know the alien that's there and he's there to
study mosquitos. I feel like I'm that alien and humans
are the mosquitos to me, where I'm like, wow, they
actually have a lot of different things and I feel
like when I get back to the Mothership, I'm gonna
be like, they have it really hard down there, guys.
We need to figure out how we're gonna help them,
because yeah, I just don't feel not that I don't
feel human, I just don't feel here all that. I'm
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also severely ADHD too and unmedicated.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel I'm interested in that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, there's there's some people I feel like who exist
on this plane. It's like this earth where they do
things like that, where they just go get their car
checked and that's just what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But then he's hot, by the way.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Really well, see I would do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I feel like, Wait and some own man with these
big gentle.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Eyes, like maybe in the past life.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I loved him right away.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I was like I love you, love you time.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But I feel like you have to have kind of
like a balance too of like you know, unfortunately on
this plane, on in this earth, the rules of like
you have to pay taxes, you have to do this
and that, and you have to like you know, do
all these earthly things. But then it's like there's other
people who are tapped into the alignment that you're talking about.
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Where it's like when you're creating from a spiritual place,
it feels like a straight up like opening download from
God in the universe where it's kind of working through you.
And I feel like I feel like you're grounded, like sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I'm mellow, like I'm not, but I think that, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But I feel like you're orbiting in that like what what.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You're You're an ethereal, Yeah, very very ethereal.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And you can ground when you it's crazy because you're
like a virgo stellium. Yeah, but then it's like the
scorpio that kind.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of like takes me well it is it also intellectual?
Is it a mind thing? Is it very because I
feel like virgos are thought as well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah I think so.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean my cousin dropped me when I was a
baby and then I threw up all over myself baby. Yeah,
so I think that has something to do with it too,
But I don't know. I just I get very like
but also like in dreams, like I'll dream with dead
people and they talk to me all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, so like I'm super like.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So now I just moved into my new place and
like I feel like there's a lot of spirits there,
but I'm actually like closing it a little bit because
I'm like giving it, letting my spirits team acclimate with it.
The house is like one hundred years old.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I felt that I didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Everybody feels it, and I'm just kind of like, let
me do let me, let me set the tone. I
don't want somebody coming in and being like this is
what I'm not you, but I don't want somebody coming
in and this is what I feel because that's not
what I feel. Yeah, you know, And so I think
that that's where I kind of spiritually, but that's where
I tend to create a lot of.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
My stuff too.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So when you, like, when you're creating your music, I
feel like you're tapping into that like not only just
with your words, but the beats, the voices that come
out of your throat, like you know, the way that you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There's a lot of characters, right, It's channeled in a way,
and sometimes I try not to use such intense language
about it, but I think that is to a level,
what is happening. And like, yeah, even just like on
my new music, and funnily enough, like the music that
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has kind of begin to launch you know this project
for me, right, I've been hearing this sound for a while,
like drums, like earthy music that feels very again grounding,
but like something that lights up a certain way of
movement and and persona. Right, this this kind of intensity
(27:56):
in my eyes when I'm performing. Yeah, it's like it's
something that I've been wanting to tap into for a while,
something that has a grit and aggression behind it. But
you know, I've been growing as a producer as well,
so it just never manifested entirely how I heard it
until like this new record KFC Somethidia being the first
single off of that, I was like, this is what
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I'm supposed to offer.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, you know you talk about that like, yeah, let's
get into that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's just been like so a lot of the stuff
is blending my upbringing in Kentucky, so Appalachian folk, bluegrass
fiddle music, right yeah, and then my heritage, you know,
my dad being born in Bogota, Columbia. So it's like Buydenge,
which is like a drum Afro Colombian drum music. And
(28:45):
when I heard it, which was I was hearing this
way before I heard that genre I was like, this
is exactly what I've been craving.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
The sound of the genre is defined by a drum
circle and one female lead vocalist and it's kind of
like a call and response chant, but it has this
really powerful feminine energy behind it and then percussion and
it's so stripped back. It's like drums and vocals and
gang choir like so powerful. And so that's kind of
(29:18):
been the main references obviously with pop and electronic, underground
and rap are it's all that ties it all together,
but those are the textures in the record. And so yeah,
it's been like something I think it is ancestors, like
calling inspiring that something within me, and I always try
to do things that taped me back into like history,
(29:39):
even like dyeing my fingers. I just discovered like hagua.
Do you know about that? So people think it's Hannah,
and I have been doing Hannah for a while, but
I discovered hagua, which is essentially a fruit that when
placed on skin dies it this like blue black color
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h and so it indigenous people in the Amazons and
in the Caribbean and different parts of Central and South
America that would be part of their practice.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Oh I think Cherina Matteo used to do that for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think hers was like red I know, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Then one of her like full Moon.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's literally like I call her mya Like she's literally just.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So am I mean, we even jumped on a zoom
call with her once we needed some guidance.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Oh my god, she's amazing that so much. What's that designer?
Oh my god, his wife does it all the time too.
She is this Michelle oh Michelle lummy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes that she's older, right, yeah, yeah she does.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And that's like Hannah, and that's drawing from more like
uh regions in the Middle East where in Southeast Asia.
But it's funny how there's so much overlap, right and
even with I love is like some people are mixing
Hagua with Hannah to create because Hannah has more brown undertones,
Hagua more blue, so it creates like a pure black
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really good. Some might explore that too, but I'm loving
the like the blue hues, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, it's it's also just spsimizing, like when you talk
like you just kind of like there's this you know,
movement in your in your hands when you talk.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I do want to ask you if you ever do
like petty spells.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Petty spell oh, like to get people?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, have you ever done like a little bit of
like like that.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think that's why the spirits like me so much,
because I think the good spirits are like, oh, he's
so sweet, he took next door some and then I
think like kind of like the little bit more the
mischievous spells spirits are like, yeah, but he fucking cast
fucking spells.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, you got to teach me some Like what's a
good one to.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I just I literally like, well, just you know mine
not just all really petty, Like I'll write shit on
a candle. Yeah, Like I just my a friend of mine,
she gave me this giant black heart handle and like
I just wrote a bunch of shit all over the
candle and then when it burned, it like opened us.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Is that the one that was at your house in
the kitchen? Oh yeah, I was like.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Something's going on there.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's so nice.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Like I literally I never wish ill on people, but
I do wish them to maybe fall down some stairs.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's so funny how I crossed with all my like ops,
I just kind of like it's probably the Libra and
me too. I just cut people out like a swift.
I mean, that's what Colie Ma's about to write my song,
like cut the bullshit out. I just one to like once.
Because I'm very under I try to be understanding, communicate boundaries,
(32:41):
say like, hey, this is what I need. If you've
reached that limit, I don't even have the energy to
be vengeful, it's just you're out.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I don't know that I'm vengeful. I just think that
I'm playful.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Playfully vengeful. Okay, maybe I can like I'm not like,
oh lord, I can't wait, but.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I do like the idea of them, like you know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, I'm a shit talker, so I'll chief smell.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Let's just I have never had an ex boyfriend who
wasn't in my DMS at some point.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So you put a spell on them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That's not my spells.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think that's just like my Like it's like Erkaba,
do you know every boyfriend that ex boyfriend except and
aera who's ever had do you know?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, Erkabad is also like another.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Boy Yeah yeah, so like they will talk, they have
nothing bad to say about her.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
They just are like, oh, yeah, she's.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Lovely, but they all talk about the smell of herkhouon
hon and so she sells incense that smells like her
cohoon hoon.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So like, I don't know what I will say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Sometimes it smells in a way where you're like, well
that smells good. You're like it's I don't know what
it is, but it's like I can see that, and
there's a lot of people intoxicating, yes, intoxicating, yeah, So
I can totally see that. I mean I should do that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I mean, I think it's kind of like the magic
of just existing too, like when you go into certain
spaces or you go in different rooms. I think music
in particular, like you are kind of tapping into the
universal universes language. Like I think it really is just
without us knowing, our communication with one another. Like going
back to the drum beats that you were talking about,
(34:13):
it is the original heartbeat, right, It's like the pulse
of the universe. And one of the things that we
talked to Empress about was like, what's really cool because
also a musician and singer songwriters, you still.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Play I want to get back into it. My fingers
every time I go into memories.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, we like a versus.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But it's like like I can do canon.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Indeed, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's like a wedding song. It's like the like first
song you learn, like in like classical.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Last hell away because I didn't get the joke the
first time. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
But yeah, I mean because even in like the way
that you're manipulating these sounds and these words, it's the
kind of do you feel like your tracks can also
be spells?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh one d Yeah? I mean they're like either affirmation spells. Yeah,
I mean it does feel time. It feels timely when
I try to release stuff like on like a full
moon or on like the spring solstice. I think, like
casey Sthidia came out, So I'm like, I I like
(35:24):
to create in timely manners around moments and that feel charged.
So yeah, and it's for people, you know, it's a
personal practice, right, So I'm doing the work to kind
of understand myself and express things that need to get out.
But then, yeah, I mean the reason I'm releasing it
is to offer it to others for them to then
(35:46):
have their own experience with it. And uh yeah, the
messaging is always intentional.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Because also your imagery is really beautiful too, thank you,
thank you. Yeah, like your imagery is kind of wildly beautiful, striking. Yeah,
you just put what I'm today.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
With like a like a veil that you're just wearing,
and the boots that you're wearing have like these feathers
on them, like like it's so angelic. It's a mixture
of our culture in a lot of ways too, Like,
but there's something that feels like it's edgy, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And tender, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like it almost feels like like a wedding look, but
not not to make it corny like a wedding look,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's all white, there's a veil, right, so there was Yeah,
I was referencing La Vitne, you know, like very motherly
but then stripper ish, right, I'm in like a Speedo thongs.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I know that speedo was so cute. I was like,
do I need a Speedox cbo boxer goal? But like
I'm like, maybe I need that Speedo Like it was
really cute, But how did did you come up with that?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How does that even?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, I mean I just like talk with the photographer,
you know, we plan the concept of the shoot. But yeah,
mostly I'm coming up with like the ideas of the looks.
I'm a musician, but like before music was visual arts,
and fashion was like my love even before music. So yeah,
it's always a big part for me to create these
(37:13):
stories through the way I present. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, because people who maybe aren't seeing the visuals right now,
they might be listening to this. Like you have like
beautiful long these boots that kind of have like the
long curved they're a traditional Mexican boot, right, yeah, see,
like and they're just gorgeous. And then you'll have like
your hair is a certain type of way, your makeup
will be a certain type of way. You'll have beautiful
(37:37):
feathers like flaring out of your pants. Like do you
just are you going into how like I guess are
you going into what I call the in between? Where
so me when I fall asleep, like I literally as
I'm falling asleep, I call it the in between because
I'll get like an idea for something and I'm like,
oh fuck, I gotta get up and write it in
my notebook or I got to write it in my phone,
like to kind of make sure I do it tomorrow, Like,
(37:57):
how are these ideas born?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
How are these visuals born for you?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know. It's hard to pinpoint like one way
or like one source of even the creative process. For me,
it's so individual. I just wherever ideas land. I'm always
studying history references, you know, I'm just constantly immersing myself.
So usually I'm referencing something, but I make it my
(38:24):
own by referencing like five different things and then recontextualizing
it in a new way, so it is a fresh
idea by the time I present it. So it's very Yeah,
I'm always looking at like what's on the runways right
now and just kind of well, I like that. Oh
I love what the shoulders doing. How do I recontextualize that?
(38:45):
With the single about chicken? Let's put eggs on it?
You know, Like That's how kind of my creative process flows,
following inspiration wherever I see it.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, I did want to, like, actually, just sneak in
one more questions, Yeah, how did you empress up come homies?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, how did I think? Just social media? Loreally just
like followed me.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
She's sneaking to your DMS. You to her DMS.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I don't remember, so dead, I don't remember. Yeah, But
I mean I've been following her music forever and I've
like always respected her.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I look because she's kind of like what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Why I fell in love with her was because she's
the singer songwriter, but she's I'm Central American too. Yeah,
Like whenever I meet other Central Americans, I'm like, holy shit,
like we are We're so rare in media, right, And
so uh loyally'shen Durant and she produces her own beats
and stuff, and so I was like, whoa, I need
to know this Durant pop princess. And then I think
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I was talking about you to mish Prada. Of course
that's how it's been working lately. Brought her dinner table
and I was like, I'm obsessed with this artist. I
think he's really cool. There are those repronents, by the way,
I don't want to yet. And she was like, you're
gonna tell me about can I already loved him so much?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh that's so sweet.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
So then uh Lourally texted was like, what are you
guys doing? Were actually at Mesha's house. It's like ten
minutes away, like you should come over and eat, And
she came over and then she's chilling on the sofa
and she's like, I just hang out with Cane and
I'm like, what the fuck is so crazy? Like like
the thing and I'm like I'm literally dmming him asking
if he'll come on the podcast, and Lourallee is like
(40:22):
we we're friends, and I'm like okay, Like so it's
kind of like this nice world. But I love when
like pop culture world's like it's like when cartoons used
to cross over and back in the day on Nickelodeon
or Cartoon Network.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It was so sweet. I mean I think, yeah, like
I said, I was following her for a while and
then we connected. It's probably from one of my tiktoks
on rails or something she saw, but yeah, immediately through text,
I'm like we have the same vibe. And then it's like, oh,
she's a lib. I'm like, of course we're still like
baby girls. Sweet.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Together's just like one of my favorite fairies. Like just
like in the universe that I would literally die for
collaboration with you.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You make it happen.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Literally, you have to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, that would be amazing. But should we go to
the hot topics?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Hot, so hot topics are in this jar so hot takes, Yeah,
hot takes. Your hot take on whatever topic is in there.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
It shake it up, shake it up.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, and then so whatever you get, what's your hot take?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, we want your hot take on this. Welcome to Hotage.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Okay, she SMA, is that you do? I love? I
have a song Jetty not we hot News. We have
a song together coming out calling She's called mossa shot.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Oh my god, we love. We've been trying to get
her on the podcast too.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
We're having crazy certain moments too. That's actually no loyally
because of Jarina Generina and way back to the homies
and so that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That you have Katrina has like that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Does it exist?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's done?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Is it out?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
When does it come out?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
We have to shoot the music video. I'm trying to
I'm trying to get I'm trying to make my way
over there.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Wait, when are you going? Should we go?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Let's do it?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Did she move there? For real?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
For real?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah? So this this year and like a couple of months.
We're already organizing it. The song's done. Yeah, yeah, we
just want to shoot a cute video.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Was she trying to get me to go in September?
A you guys going to shoo in September?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yes? Are you going?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, either September, October whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Maybe that could be the thing because I just need
some time to recoup financially. But then I definitely would
be down to go. I don't want to be in it.
I just want to, like.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Witness you're going to be in it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
We were in her bettle like one because we were
a part of BuzzFeed's Latino channel called battle Like Yes,
and so it was like very meta that, like the
cast of fedal like was in the pedal.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Like and I think I hit her up and I
was like, can we use one of our one of
your songs for our like trailer and she was like,
I have a song that mentions better, like can I
send you that? And it was just like this, like
it just went. It was perfect, And her visuals at
the time were very similar to what I was into's
always been, so yeah, you know, her video was like
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she was dancing in the dr and she was like
cutting chickens up like cut their heads off, and.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
And she was showing me like, I mean, she's such
a visual artist too. Yeah, and I didn't know that
when I met her, because I knew she was so
all her voices and she is so just her sound
can go so many places. Yeah, she's an intense visual
artist with such a strong perspective. Yeah, fully creative director.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah. I started doing something for her for one of
her music videos and she's like, no, I just want
big boobs, like giant big boobs. And I was like,
That's not where I was going with that one.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
I was like, if we had different types of fish
and gold and goldfish bowls and then we made your
mouth really big, I feel like I'm going with big boobs.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
So how do you feel about cheese may? Like some
people still people like some people are like, oh, you
shouldn't be a cheese most or whatever, but like, do
you feel like, yeah, gossip cheese may is, like.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think it's important. Also it's I'm going to so
I have to just accept that about myself. But uh, yeah,
I need that because I think I'm very polite and sweet,
but there's a virgo mind in here, so I'm clocking everything,
and I won't say it because I care about people's
feelings or you know, like or like oh I didn't
(44:37):
like how they said that or what the you know, like,
so I have to get it out so I have
my safe you know, community, my people, and it's all
like in love, you know, to an extent.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Absolutely, like very like and you know this already. If
I love you, I will sing your praises. I will
(45:10):
carry your name into every room and put so much
love on it and be like, oh my God, like
Jarina Laurley, like Maya, like anybody who's like you, you
know what I mean, like anybody that I know, and
like I'm obsessed, but I do have a kind of
a never mind. Maybe I shouldn't say that, but when
it's somebody that I don't like, I kind of am.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
Like.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think it's more of like we're healing as we're
talking about maybe somebody or a situation that we feel
uncomfortable with, and we're healing in real time we're talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I think it is well, you have to purge it
sometimes and like and knowing like the safety of like
getting it out in a place that like, yeah, you
don't want I don't want to hurt people, and it
takes a lot for me to not like someone. So
if like, if I'm talking shit, you deserve what.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
If I'm just reporting live news.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's news, it's just truth.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I'm just kind of like, I don't know. I also
have a hard time lying now. I don't lie.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I hate lying. I really am not a good liar.
So I'll be like, how do you I fucking love her?
Oh they're terrible, right, You'll figure it out when you
get to know them.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It crosses a line when like, like I mean, I
haven't said this on the podcast yet. We'll get into
it later, but like this the beginning of this year,
I found out that some people my family, I found
a group chat of them talking shit about me, like
calling me a bitch, fat shaming me the day after
my birthday. These are my dad sisters.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That totally makes sense, you know what.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm saying, Like, like, that's something that crosses a line.
That's but if you're calling me dramatic or like I'm
too whatever, like I get it, But like when you're
just blatantly being like vile and cruel, like that's where
I'm like, no, you're not. You're not talking shit, You're not.
(46:51):
It's not che's mandle, Like you're being just a horrible person. Yeah,
you know, Like that's where I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Like incredibly talented, super like, super amazing talent, super dope,
super cool, stunning, gorgeous, terrible soul that.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Ugly heart never want to see them ever again.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
When she's most like I hate that they have, like
I wish it would get over there, anxious attachment and
I'm like psychoanalyzing, Like it's more like analytical. It's not
like name calling, like because.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
We're like working on ourselves and we're healing and we
know we should have grace for other people as well,
and yeah, that's just that's when it's like not even cheesemad,
it's just like you're just the bitch.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Also sometimes also I don't know if you've ever read
this book. It's called Sapiens.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
It's kind of like the study of like I think
the author I don't know if the author is problematic,
but anyways, the book is Sapiens. It's the study of
the human and they talk about gossip being the way
that evolutionary wise, we do ebolition. We were helping each
other survive because we would be like, don't eat Martha's
pies because they might get you really sick.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, don't hang out with so and so because he
might slice your throat.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And also I found this guy that I was talking
to for a month. He was on one of those
dating forums that exist to protect women from sketchy men.
He was on there like three times, which is information
out of safety.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, we need that, and it is historically feminine tradition, beautiful,
we need it.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I'm all for it, straight man, girl, You get them
around like we got it down to technique.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
We know how to bring it to like a you know,
a healing thing like but I.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Hope she here package in a beautiful way. There's like
respect etiquette.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Now for the zodiacs, to the astrology for.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I like, but I'm always like anyway, welcome to the.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So we talk.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
It's okay. We talked already so much about astrology, and
you had mentioned you are a Libra sun rising Taurus
Virgo moon, and when you were talking about your emotions
as well, and how like you're able to cut people off,
I feel like that's a lot of your Virgo mood.
(49:28):
You know, because you're able to like you're the Libra,
I think gives you a little bit of like fairness
where they have almost like a time limit, not a
time limit, but like a you know, like a three limit,
three three things. Strikes, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Strikes.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I was doing three yesterday. And then your Taurus rising
is like I feel like kind of maybe gives you
a little bit of that grounding and stability that you
can access immediately because because so like your rising sign
is also like you know how you appear, and I
feel like when you walked into the room earlier today,
you seem very like calm and you know, like very
(50:10):
grounded and like put together. And then like I do
feel a lot of the Virgo too, but then I
see the Libra as well. It's like crazy, how like
our big three can really show like just your physical
attributes and like even how you're speaking. Because Curly has
a Scorpio moon, and then I have like three other
(50:30):
best friends who also have Scorpio moons, and it's like
the way they process their emotions are like I'm like,
come on, girl, like get out of the depths, you know,
like let's go.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I think like a choice, I.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Think they go really deep Ben and A they go
really like really deep.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, a powerful way.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I guess. I ride it like I really enjoy it.
I'm really like, what is this emotion? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah? And there's like a low vibra high vibration to
every sign.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Are there any signs that you've come across that you're like,
ooh this. They always kind of rub me the wrong
way and I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, who's your toxic sign?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I don't know. I mean each sign is, you know,
but I will say I resonate a lot with other
air signs.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Y'all love each other, y'all are different.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I love Aquarius, I love Gemini. Gemini is like, okay,
so I love Aquariuses differently than I'll love a Gemini.
My Aquarius friendships are much more just like, uh, Geminis
have a lot of up and down right, there's a
lot of like can be tumultuous at times, but so
fucking fun. And so I love my conversations with Aquarius.
(51:47):
Oh my gosh, we just get into it. And there's
like a lot of self discovery in that too. They're
amazing and wisdom.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
So much wisdom. My dad's an Aquarius and one of.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
My dad is too January to eighteenth.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
What's your mom's sign Capricorn? I literally, I literally.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Just put up a TikTok where I was like, I
don't know what it is about air signs and earth science.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
It's a karmic relationship.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
I cannot tell you why it just happens, but it
always happens. Yeah, and either they're together for thirty six
years and then get a divorce, are there together for
like ten they just always have are there together to
the day they die. Yeah, there's something that brings them together.
And I'm like, from me, my dad's intercurys, my mom's
a Taurus. So I'm like, there's that's past life shit.
Every time I see that that connection, I'm like, y'all
(52:35):
knew each other in past life.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I don't know what the you know.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah, but yeah, in terms of air signs and stuff
to y'all are like my favorite too because I just
sit back and watch.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I just get right y'all.
Speaker 6 (52:45):
And yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Guys are very selective too. Who selective is in like,
you know, not like I feel like a fire sign
would be where they're like, I'm not, I'm aries, but
I'm like Pisces rising, Pisce's mercury cancer Mars and then yeah,
then like Aries Moon and Aries Venus. So it's like
(53:06):
a very hot, hot hot tube that you're hot a
hot tub, but when you get out of the water,
you're not pruney, You're like more hydrated, you know, hot, Right, Yeah,
you feel that hot, hot hot.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I love my fire signs, but I don't know why
there's like I feel like it takes me a little
bit to build those deep relationships. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
I have that with libras, okay, with liras, aris and
libras because right it's it's usually the libras and the
low vibrating like libras and aries that are like they
won't see each other because they're like, you should see me,
Like the arias are like you should see me because
like I see you, you should already like me. And the
(53:52):
libras are like I feel like sometimes they will want
to put on this like face to impress them, you
know where. It's to be a little not fake people,
you know where, No.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
No, no, no, I think it's just the tendency.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, and there's low moments, you know where, because it
brings sometimes different fire science who are toxic bring that
out of them where they feel like they have to
maybe not cower, but they feel intimidated.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Well you know what it is. I think aries don't
really inhibit themselves as much. Right, It's like instinct.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
It's like very reactive, reactive truth, right, And that's April
March areas clarify.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
But I respect it, but I maybe resent it. There's
something about it that's like can you just put on
the pleasant something that you.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Know, everything has to be like a reaction because then
it like takes up You huff and you puff and
you take up like all of the air in the room,
and you're not allowing other people to talk or other
people to like, yeah, that's like.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
The okay, the fire signs in general sometimes like Leo
two in their low in the lower of course high vibration.
Both Aries and Lee are so in like.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
What's the alien that I'm named after?
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Alien from Oplekly.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
I feel like I'm completely of the zodiac.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Like the aliens. Also a Libra, I think, I think so.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Maybe yeah, because even this I'm like I don't have
like all my Libra babies obsessed. I do my Libra babies.
Like I'm like, like, I don't find them. The only
time that I make fun of libras is because out
in the world they're like super social and then you
but I always say the same thing. I know they
want to go home, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (55:49):
I know they wait, they have a.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Mask out of protection. They walk through the room.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
They smell like Perfumer colone to me, and that's an
aries and I just like know microphones.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh yeah, But I feel like when aries and libras
and all signs, when they are not truly like in
in alignment with who they are, I think those toxic
traits can come out where like they can butt heads
and libras and arias are opposites.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
When when are we to talk about virgos?
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And that's a clus the astrology question of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Well well, well here we are again a time to
be happy and be alive. Yeah, well how do you
how do you? How do you plead today's episode? How
do you plead?
Speaker 3 (56:39):
I really love that we dove deep into like well, actually,
like I I wanted to ask if you could give
any advice to anybody who's in the closet in maybe
like their religion like kind of like in the space
that you were at, like what is your call to
them or what is your advice for them to maybe
(57:01):
soothe their minds or like what do they need to
what do they need to hear?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
I mean it's a hard time right now, right even
just hearing like it's being presented to the Supreme Court
to like possibly overturn marriage right equality heavy shit, right,
I think we have to It's understandable if we are
turning to self protection in these moments, like because I
(57:26):
know what it felt like to be in Florida or
in a region where it's like yeah, obviously like be
yourself expresses like maybe it's not safe, you know. So
I fully understand that, and I think it's okay to
be patient with yourself and to wait. But the little
steps to find safety, even if it's like a friend,
(57:48):
even if it's just like one, like trust those those
people that make you feel safe, because for me, it
was not trusting my instinct, which was when I speak
to these and most of them were women, you know,
that were just like you know, maybe I'm still in
the church, but maybe it's okay to be queer, Like
I can hold space for you like trust those relationships
and those will continue to lead you into a healthy
(58:10):
place where. Then I moved out to California and I
was able to you know, for a year, was at
hippie church. Kind of still not fully where I wanted
to be, but it was the gateway to get to
LA and then kind of really expressed myself here I
wanted to be. Yes, my advice is like, move to
a big city. It's like where you can be honestly.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Like it's community right right, community and sanctuary and coming
from like a place where like you're seeking refuge basically
and in your identity and in your Yeah, it's it's
a crazy time right now, and I think your story
is very inspiring and can you tell the people also
(58:49):
like where to find you and what's coming up next
for you?
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yeah, you find me on all socials Cane Kolto. Yeah,
I'm just releasing singles the rest of this year. I'm
going to drop an EP and like it's coming up
soon like two or three months, and then another EP
or I'll just drop the full album.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
I can't wait to hear the Darina one.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, that's a standalone single. I'm so excited for it. Yeah,
text it.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
Okay, okay, I mean you can put us in a
group chat arena. Yeah, just do it. I love it.
Where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
May You can find me at Maya in the moment,
m A y A in the moment, anywhere you scroll
what about you?
Speaker 4 (59:30):
You can find me at Kane Kolto. You can find
me at the Curly v Show on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
But yeah, thank you so much again.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Thank you for listening and watching to another episode of
The Club Podcast.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Do my voice do my late I've offended you called
me a gay sler yours like bye bye, Hi guys,
it's mine in the moment here, I can't go to share.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Okay, now my rapping voice and my talking voice. I'm
listening now with the fucking girl.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
So okay, wait, do your rapping voices, Hey, this is going,
and then your talking voice is like, you know, you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Know, slipping and sliding. Do these grills.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh God?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Is that how I sound? I mean? I think you anyway?
You sound much better than that.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Amazing. I just am not very good at impressions. The
only impression that I'm really good at is Barack Obama?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
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Thank you?
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I'm worse. I'm so bad impressions.
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I can't do anything?
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Oh no, because I'm so bad at all of them, like,
oh god, dosh accent terrible one?
Speaker 5 (01:56):
Do what?
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Speaker 2 (01:58):
Let me? I can't have some porridge please?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Well, on that note, welcome back to another episode of
the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast Curly. How's your spirit?
Speaker 1 (02:12):
My spirit is good? How's your spirit?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My spirit's good? I got some cherries here, even though
I don't like cherries.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I'm allergic. Oh my gosh, don't even but I still
eat them because I just like my mouth starts to
get really.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Itchya gets really sharp eyes.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The last time I started, my eyes started getting really itchy.
But I keep eating. They're so good.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
They are good, but I don't like when they're like flavored,
like they can't get the flavor.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Wrong or right flavor cherry candy.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I think it was like, you know, the cherry cough medicine.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I know exactly.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
That's garred me for life. Anyway, we have a beautiful
guest here. You just see the boots.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's the bots are booty.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You look beautiful, which is great.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Libra yes, so I mean we'll get into this later,
but you're Libra, right, and Libras are like one of
the most beautiful signs of the zodiac. Like, truly, do
you know your venus sign Scorpio?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Oh okay, it's bad.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Wow, I'm kind of I think not to t m
I anybody in this room or listening, but I actually
learned how to have sex because of a scorpio.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Before that, I was.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Like rigid and prude and I didn't know what I
was doing and I was it was like literally like
a beached whale. But we have fighting guests with us,
which is the amazing. Raised in Kentucky. You're Colombian and Nigerian, right, No, Nigerian, that's.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
What it said. I went, I don't know why said Nigerian.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah, that's great record scratch.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
What if you just were like, yeah, I am.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
So you went from playing the fiddle in a church, yeah,
and worshiping and a worship pastor dissummoning a whole new
genre that you call Kentucky Latin art pop. Yeah, with
viral anthems like KFC, Santaria and Gallima that I say
that correctly. Kine turns the danceport into a ritual equal
parts queer joy, spiritual rebellion, and tongue in cheek cultural commentary.
(04:17):
His music is myth making for the modern age, mixing
sacred and scandalous into something entirely his own. Whether he's
crooning about fried chicken and witchcraft or leading a crowd
and what feels like a technic technic colored sermon. King
Tuto is proved that pop music can be holy, horny,
and fun all at once.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Welcome King, How is your spirit? Your spirit good? The
retrograde has been a lot.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I don't believe in what you're good anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We're not.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I don't believe in it anymore. I just don't have time.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Really, yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Don't care.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
I don't know. It's been affecting me.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
This last one was bad.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Really said the same thing. Huh. It was the same
thing because.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
There was like other things happening right.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And specifically for I think even in the last couple
of days. I think mars is in libra.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay, yeah, so does that mean you're fighting which just
left and right or what?
Speaker 2 (05:09):
There's just a lot of confrontational energy.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Are you talking people in the neck and no, not yet?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Are you like.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really sweet or do you are? What? Are you more of?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Like?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Are you more like sweet? Are you more like I?
Are you confrontational? I feel like libras are like.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
No, I'm very sweet. I try to see everyone's perspective. Ye,
but I am. I think my partner would say I'm
confrontational maybe at first.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Okay, okay, okay, you can say yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
At first, I like shut down.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I think that's like a coping mechanism that I'm still
working through. Of like when I'm overwhelmed, when I'm angry,
I'm going to close down. I'm not going to explode.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But do you say, like, hey, I just need a
quick moment to think.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I'll say I'm getting Yeah. Now I communicate like I'm
all right, I just need to process this. That's me
and then we.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Come back and we'll handle it.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's new.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
It's very he means literally storry on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I bottle it up.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I do and then it's like I just think it's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm very you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Know, yeah, I'm very that person too. But I cry.
I'm a crier.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I literally have cry baby tattered on my tummy because
my grandma used to call me on and so I
just cry.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I mean I cry a lot. Yeah, yeah, I'm a crier.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I think part of it is I like to intellectualize
my emotions and so I need to like understand it
before us.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Yeah, that's because you have earth sign moon and so
that makes a.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
You were a youth pastor, well, let's.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Get into that.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean I don't know. I just really plugged into
the church at a young age.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
When church was it Catholic, Christian.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Protestant, like non de nom like evangelical, kind of megachurchy,
I kind of did.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
It all okay? And then you learned how to play
the fiddle there?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, well through school, so I went to like a
little like private arts school, like through elementary, middle school,
high school. So yeah, I picked up the violin and
then it just made sense to play in church. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So were you like super into faith? Were you like yes, Lord, yes, Lord, yes, yes,
R that's what they taught.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Me at school, vacation Bible school.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, wow, so were you there like secret gay and
you're just like I'm getting a conjurept and spells.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, I think true truly. I think I am a
mystic at my core. So I think I was always
going to pursue a spiritual path, but religion was like
the thing that was offered to me for that. Yeah,
and so it was very sincere for me. Yeah, Like yeah,
started you know in worship band and you know the
cultural aspect of it. But then I like really took
(07:51):
it on very devoutly. Yeah, and would like because in
for for college, I went to like a Christian Universe
today and so I'm minored in biblical studies. But even
more than that, I was like leading prayer groups. I
was like fasting, like all the very devout things. And
it was not it was like sincere, like I just
(08:12):
wanted to i don't know, serve God and the church
and like, ikind of.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Like me a little bit how coming up a little bit.
When I was younger, I used to like go and
make a little alters. From like eight years old, I
like to make alters and stuff like that, and like
I wanted to praise and a lot of mediums and psychics.
I wonder if this you get this teo will be
like you were like a priestess, you were a priest
and a past life.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I had a dream once that I was a cardinal.
They were going to be had me. But I'll like, yeah,
do you ever have Do you feel like you had
past life?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I think so. I mean I think it's because it
comes so naturally to make like the spiritual path, and
but I also think as queer people, I think we've
had to at least for me, I think I dove
so deeply into Christianity because I couldn't be casual about it,
like we're straight. People can be culturally Christian and it's
(09:02):
kind of like a thing that they can like, yeah,
I adhere to that, but then they can kind of
do what they want. Like I had to be all
or nothing because I felt like I couldn't be queer
and if I wasn't going to live out being a
queer person, then I was going to devote myself to
really totally. Yeah, and I was ex gay too, like
I would horribly like preach against it. I was going
(09:24):
to ask you totally I love that for us my
character arc yeah the most, Like yeah, yeah, it's recontextualized.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So what was like take us into that, like like
how did you come out of that? And yeah, and
you know kind of have this was like a realization?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah it was. It was an intense moment. So I
was in a Christian band touring, you know, plugged in
working out a church. Uh, and I think it just
all piled up on me, just like how out of
touch I was with my body, with my mind, and
I fully went into like a spiritual psychosis type of
event that left me hospitalized for a week, like I
(10:08):
split from reality entirely, really drama, and you know, I
came back to my senses and I was like, how
did I get here? Whatever led me to this moment?
I have to fully like flit my life. So yeah,
it was a year.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Have you found like your connection to spirituality and like
your greater power now or is it something that you've
kind of like abandoned like where are you at now
in terms of higher power energy?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Totally? Yeah. I had to take like a year pretty
much after that. I had to just get away from
anything spiritual. And it's funny because as I was in
my mind getting away from spirituality. Right, maybe it was
the ethereal things. It was just grounding into the earth.
And then from that practice I found spiritual traditions that
(10:55):
grounded me in my body, that centered me with the
cycles of the season. You know. Yeah, all those things
brought me back to here, and then that became kind
of the beginning seeds of a spiritual path that then, yeah,
it does embrace kind of the mystical and the mystery
of life. But is I think the main thing that
I had to let go was fundamentalism, which is just
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the closed minded dogma that defined all of my early
you know, upbringing.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What do you think God is now? Like, what does
God represent to you? Wow?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
It's I mean, I think anyone that is able to
define it, it's too small of a definition for God, right,
So it's the thing beyond. It's I think that's why
I say mysticism and a mystic it's God is the mystery,
and I think we have glimpses and everything kind of
we can tap into it. But I'd like to say,
(11:46):
for me, sometimes God is just the eyes to see
the beauty in life. Like it's almost the perspective it's
how you how you the eyes through which you see
the world world. You either see God and everything or
you see the brokenness, the pain, the distortion. It's kind
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of how you choose to frame it all.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, like the lens almost the lens.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
And then and then it's funny that creates also oh
whate hundred that creates the future. The beauty that is God,
you know, God's source, energy whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I think that's one of the things that people, I
think forget when it comes to like faith. And we
talk about this all the time, like we're huge manifestors.
Your mom is like a huge like manifestation person that
we always talk to. And I think that the thing
that people forget is we're co creating in real time,
you know what I mean, Like I really believe. I
always talk about the power of the word. The power
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of the word, like is truly just it's the vibration.
It's what holds the atoms together. It's like sound like
it's gravity. And I think that's what God is to me.
Sometimes I think I like to play with God as
being this huge energy and source and all knowing, and
then sometimes I make God like a little orb that's
like hi.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Curly, like super sweet, like what are we getting today?
Like what can I help you with? You know, just
super so like personal, like a little cloud. It's like
I love like super whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
I feel like we're all mirrors and extensions of each other,
which I feel like obviously is like creation as well.
And there was this this one intuitive I was talking
or this go on deta that I was talking to,
and I was having some difficulties with somebody, and she
said to look at their third eye and say, like
the God in me is the God in you, to
(13:36):
kind of like not villainize that other person, but as
a reminder of like, you know, this person is also
a creation of you know, higher power and of God
and the universe. And just because like you're having some
differences doesn't mean like they don't still get that sort
of grace unless it's like you know, like our enemy
(13:58):
or like our president.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Or something.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Like Maya Angelo the areas used to be like that
would make that which made the bigot also made me
like it's the same source of the same energy. It's
a different iteration of the same Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
I mean, it's just crazy to me how some people
can like feel the same way that we feel about
God and the universe and spirituality and religion. But like,
don't you get those people who are like, yeah, I
just give it all to God. Well, God has forgiven
all of my sins, And but that doesn't mean that
(14:37):
you don't still need to hold yourself accountable and apologize
to whoever it is you need to apologize to. Like
what the fuck is that?
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, like spiritual bypassing,
Like a lot of people approach religion Christianity for example,
to kind of cleanse of guilt, and that serves a purpose,
you know, but then it can also be enabling, right,
And I think that's why we're seeing with Christian nationalism,
like this harmful movement that is almost fed by this
(15:25):
evangelical theology that like cleanses you of any responsibility for
the harms and for the responsibility to grow and become
educated and to evolve and understand the world in a
more complex way. It's like, no, just follow this little
book that gives you all the answers, Like, no, we
have to look at our brothers and sisters and understand
(15:45):
different perspective. The ideology enables that, and this is spiritual
tradition behind it.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Are you finding that with your music and your message right,
because you are putting a lot of like messages out
there that a lot of people believe but.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Maybe are too afraid to say.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, how are you dealing with Are you being criticized heavily?
Are you seeing that in like in your dms and
your comments? Are you are Have you been received yeah,
a lot of love? Have you received a lot of critique?
And how do you deal with?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
I mean, it's been a lot of love, honestly. And
it's because I think when I was, like I mentioned,
I was in a Christian band for a couple of
years in it, you know, I was touring, so it
was a proper thing. And when I came out or
when I was even kind of like beginning to talk
about more feminist theology within the Christian space, oh my god,
the backlash was insane.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And I think as they saw me as a leader
within those spaces, so they're like, don't say that, you know,
like trying to control the situation. But it was like
the most insane hate I've ever seen, just like flooding,
like and like yeah, like random like YouTubers would make
videos on me, and then their fan bases would be
mobilized to just like cat like one account commenting ten
(16:56):
times yeah, a bunch of those accounts at the same Christians.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Like super like yeah, also, that's a good sign for you.
Our friend Coco Moco was just on yesterday.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Oh yeah. She was talking about like how you know
somebody is about to pop off like on the internet
or like, you know, rise to fame is when people
on the outside start talking about you and start to
you know, create these sort of like narratives even though
you know it doesn't feel good, but it's still like
you're still talking about totally.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
She looks at people like if they are they find
their niche and they keep doing it, repeating it, and
then when other people who are not friends are related
start talking about it.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
So Cocomco is like this like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I know, I've.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She was just on the episode yesterday.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah so she literally so literally what you're saying right now.
I'm like, oh yeah, that's kind of like the beginning
of the start, right it was.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
It was, and it's beautiful because it was an experience
that I had to learn because I want this to grow,
like I want king culture to keep expanding. I mean,
I'm making pop music. It's for people, right yeah, And
with that comes you know, praise and right now a
lot of support, but there's always you know, backlash for
whatever reason. And so like I think I learned through
(18:11):
that that the praise doesn't make me. Everyone turning on
me for whatever reason doesn't make me. It's like, am
I on my path? Am I standing by what I
believe is true, like my integrity and what comes will come.
Maybe people won't get in the moment, maybe they'll get
it later. Yeah, but I just have to stay true
to my path. And I'm glad I experienced that. It
(18:33):
was hard, but now even like it's it's so exciting
to feel all the positivity and the comments, but it's
like it also you have to just put it in
its place. It's what it is, and some people place
too much value on it and it's nice, like I
invite it, but I also don't need it, if that exactly.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
Yeah, I mean for us, I still have a really
hard time with it. So like I'll have like, yeah,
kind of like I'll get like a weird message or
a DM or something, and I'll kind of be like
and I've been doing this for like ten plus years, right,
And so I'll get a message and I'll be like,
I don't like that this person is painting me as something.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That the specific way that you're Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
That a lot of other people who also are like
still in it, Like, so I love what you're saying
in terms of like just looking at it for what
it is.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but sometimes it's hard and sometimes like little things
will get under your skin. I'm trying to think of,
like I think what's funny because I troll so much
too with my art, so like there's also the aspect
that I'm always poking at it, like I want people
to feel a certain way. So maybe that's why I'm
able to contextualize it so much of like and you
(19:39):
know what it is, It's probably because I present kanekolto,
and in my mind that's kind of different than like me.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's literally what Coco is.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Saying, Yes, yeah, these personas and yeah yeah, where they'll
talk about them. Artists will talk about themselves in a
third person, which is like, I mean, you know, my
my profile is like our channel is like mine in
the moment, So I'll be like, that's mine in the moment,
thing like I'm Maya, you know, and you're like the
Curly v.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Show naos, So like that to me is like the
most intimate name. Some people are like, oh curly, that
also feels very intimate, but they still don't access got
a lithos, you know. But I will say that when
the shitty comments are really funny. I got one the
other day years ago. I did one about like I
was like touching a spider and I was pretending to
be scared, and there was a comment that was like,
(20:29):
how is this guy afraid of a spider but he's
not afraid of a dick in his ass?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And was like touche tushi working on it.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
But yeah, because you do a lot of good things too,
like when you mix your music, like you also talk
about and we're I'm I consider myself like who I
called myself a little for years? Yeah, I actually think
most latinos are, but they.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Won't call it.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, there's something like so heavy about that word that
even my Gundetta, who's like I'm like, you know, we're
all like brukas or whatever, she's like, don't call me that. Yeah,
and she's like a little more more like old school, but.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I'm there's a negative connotation connotation. Maybe that's why I
like it, because it feels more against some sort of
institution or some sort of expectation, and maybe I'm not
interested in trying to convince people of my goodness. You know,
maybe that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
When you do.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I love like I do consider myself a bo all
the time, and I'm always in prayer. I literally I'm
always praying and I'm burning shit in the house all
the time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Like everywhere that I've ever lived feels like a church.
Like that's just my That's how I like it.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I feel like church.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I don't ever want Like people like, do you want
to get modern lighting on your ceiling? I'm like I don't.
I just need candles everywhere, Like that's all I want.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I need to church.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
But like one of my favorite things is that when
I'm like in prayer mode or casting, I really feel
like my eyeballs go and I go into like the zone.
Like when you're in the zone, do you practice, Like
what do you practice? Or is it like in your
music or you is it in your writing?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Is it in your It's funny. I have told my
friends this before when I'm like in creative mode. It's
when I feel so tapped in and it almost in
a way that feels overwhelming. I feel this influx of
like energy within me and maybe it's inspiration. I don't
I don't know how to put perfect language behind it.
(22:27):
But it even feels like a high truly, like I
get a little lightheaded, a little like elevated. Maybe even
the word is like kind of lucid, you know. And
so part of practice has been to ground in that
state as well, because I am getting into these kind
of like the veil is a little thin right.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Now, Yeah, right, I mean yeah, I have a hard
time grounding.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So grounding has been and I mentioned that at the beginning.
That's been my lesson with what I've gone through. It's
as these things come naturally to me, the sensitivities, the flow.
How do I ground in the physical because I mean
we're here, you know, if we are all source or
have some spiritual essence to us all, we're here in
(23:13):
the physical. We're humans. Yeah, what is the lesson in
this life for me to do?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Through three D physicality?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
You know, I just never feel like here, like nothing
is ever like I don't know I went to get
my car service today at the car dealer, and the
guy who opened the door for me, I was like,
are you like, is this meant to be? Like it's
so symbolic. It's not just like you're just gonna get
your oil fucking change and call it a day.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
It's like everything has a meaning.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I think it's so heavy. Everything is so meaningful. Like
people will be like, why didn't you answer my emails?
And I was like, well, I was thinking about how
adams together vibrate together. Maybe that's how matters me, and
that's how the god is. Like I'm just always in
my head in that way, but never about like, oh
I have to go home and make them like positive
for myself tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's literally just all like, well, what's your son virgo
double scorpio.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
I'm literally not anythings or something, but like everything is
super like I you know, what have you seen Leland Stitch.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Love one of my favorite Disney movies.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
You know the alien that's there and he's there to
study mosquitos. I feel like I'm that alien and humans
are the mosquitos to me, where I'm like, wow, they
actually have a lot of different things and I feel
like when I get back to the Mothership, I'm gonna
be like, they have it really hard down there, guys.
We need to figure out how we're gonna help them,
because yeah, I just don't feel not that I don't
feel human, I just don't feel here all that. I'm
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also severely ADHD too and unmedicated.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel I'm interested in that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yeah, there's there's some people I feel like who exist
on this plane. It's like this earth where they do
things like that, where they just go get their car
checked and that's just what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But then he's hot, by the way.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Really well, see I would do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I feel like, Wait and some own man with these
big gentle.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Eyes, like maybe in the past life.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I loved him right away.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
I was like I love you, love you time.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But I feel like you have to have kind of
like a balance too of like you know, unfortunately on
this plane, on in this earth, the rules of like
you have to pay taxes, you have to do this
and that, and you have to like you know, do
all these earthly things. But then it's like there's other
people who are tapped into the alignment that you're talking about.
(25:34):
Where it's like when you're creating from a spiritual place,
it feels like a straight up like opening download from
God in the universe where it's kind of working through you.
And I feel like I feel like you're grounded, like sometimes.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I'm mellow, like I'm not, but I think that, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But I feel like you're orbiting in that like what what.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
You're You're an ethereal, Yeah, very very ethereal.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
And you can ground when you it's crazy because you're
like a virgo stellium. Yeah, but then it's like the
scorpio that kind.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Of like takes me well it is it also intellectual?
Is it a mind thing? Is it very because I
feel like virgos are thought as well.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah I think so.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I mean my cousin dropped me when I was a
baby and then I threw up all over myself baby. Yeah,
so I think that has something to do with it too,
But I don't know. I just I get very like
but also like in dreams, like I'll dream with dead
people and they talk to me all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, so like I'm super like.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
So now I just moved into my new place and
like I feel like there's a lot of spirits there,
but I'm actually like closing it a little bit because
I'm like giving it, letting my spirits team acclimate with it.
The house is like one hundred years old.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
I felt that I didn't want to say anything.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Everybody feels it, and I'm just kind of like, let
me do let me, let me set the tone. I
don't want somebody coming in and being like this is
what I'm not you, but I don't want somebody coming
in and this is what I feel because that's not
what I feel. Yeah, you know, And so I think
that that's where I kind of spiritually, but that's where
I tend to create a lot of.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
My stuff too.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
So when you, like, when you're creating your music, I
feel like you're tapping into that like not only just
with your words, but the beats, the voices that come
out of your throat, like you know, the way that you.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There's a lot of characters, right, It's channeled in a way,
and sometimes I try not to use such intense language
about it, but I think that is to a level,
what is happening. And like, yeah, even just like on
my new music, and funnily enough, like the music that
(27:35):
has kind of begin to launch you know this project
for me, right, I've been hearing this sound for a while,
like drums, like earthy music that feels very again grounding,
but like something that lights up a certain way of
movement and and persona. Right, this this kind of intensity
(27:56):
in my eyes when I'm performing. Yeah, it's like it's
something that I've been wanting to tap into for a while,
something that has a grit and aggression behind it. But
you know, I've been growing as a producer as well,
so it just never manifested entirely how I heard it
until like this new record KFC Somethidia being the first
single off of that, I was like, this is what
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I'm supposed to offer.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Yeah, you know you talk about that like, yeah, let's
get into that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
It's just been like so a lot of the stuff
is blending my upbringing in Kentucky, so Appalachian folk, bluegrass
fiddle music, right yeah, and then my heritage, you know,
my dad being born in Bogota, Columbia. So it's like Buydenge,
which is like a drum Afro Colombian drum music. And
(28:45):
when I heard it, which was I was hearing this
way before I heard that genre I was like, this
is exactly what I've been craving.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
The sound of the genre is defined by a drum
circle and one female lead vocalist and it's kind of
like a call and response chant, but it has this
really powerful feminine energy behind it and then percussion and
it's so stripped back. It's like drums and vocals and
gang choir like so powerful. And so that's kind of
(29:18):
been the main references obviously with pop and electronic, underground
and rap are it's all that ties it all together,
but those are the textures in the record. And so yeah,
it's been like something I think it is ancestors, like
calling inspiring that something within me, and I always try
to do things that taped me back into like history,
(29:39):
even like dyeing my fingers. I just discovered like hagua.
Do you know about that? So people think it's Hannah,
and I have been doing Hannah for a while, but
I discovered hagua, which is essentially a fruit that when
placed on skin dies it this like blue black color
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h and so it indigenous people in the Amazons and
in the Caribbean and different parts of Central and South
America that would be part of their practice.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Oh I think Cherina Matteo used to do that for
a minute.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I think hers was like red I know, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Then one of her like full Moon.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
That's literally like I call her mya Like she's literally just.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
So am I mean, we even jumped on a zoom
call with her once we needed some guidance.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Oh my god, she's amazing that so much. What's that designer?
Oh my god, his wife does it all the time too.
She is this Michelle oh Michelle lummy.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yes that she's older, right, yeah, yeah she does.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
And that's like Hannah, and that's drawing from more like
uh regions in the Middle East where in Southeast Asia.
But it's funny how there's so much overlap, right and
even with I love is like some people are mixing
Hagua with Hannah to create because Hannah has more brown undertones,
Hagua more blue, so it creates like a pure black
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really good. Some might explore that too, but I'm loving
the like the blue hues, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So beautiful.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
Yeah, it's it's also just spsimizing, like when you talk
like you just kind of like there's this you know,
movement in your in your hands when you talk.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I do want to ask you if you ever do
like petty spells.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Petty spell oh, like to get people?
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, have you ever done like a little bit of
like like that.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think that's why the spirits like me so much,
because I think the good spirits are like, oh, he's
so sweet, he took next door some and then I
think like kind of like the little bit more the
mischievous spells spirits are like, yeah, but he fucking cast
fucking spells.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, you got to teach me some Like what's a
good one to.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
I just I literally like, well, just you know mine
not just all really petty, Like I'll write shit on
a candle. Yeah, Like I just my a friend of mine,
she gave me this giant black heart handle and like
I just wrote a bunch of shit all over the
candle and then when it burned, it like opened us.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Is that the one that was at your house in
the kitchen? Oh yeah, I was like.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Something's going on there.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
It's so nice.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Like I literally I never wish ill on people, but
I do wish them to maybe fall down some stairs.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
It's so funny how I crossed with all my like ops,
I just kind of like it's probably the Libra and
me too. I just cut people out like a swift.
I mean, that's what Colie Ma's about to write my song,
like cut the bullshit out. I just one to like once.
Because I'm very under I try to be understanding, communicate boundaries,
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say like, hey, this is what I need. If you've
reached that limit, I don't even have the energy to
be vengeful, it's just you're out.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I don't know that I'm vengeful. I just think that
I'm playful.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Playfully vengeful. Okay, maybe I can like I'm not like,
oh lord, I can't wait, but.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I do like the idea of them, like you know.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean, I'm a shit talker, so I'll chief smell.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Let's just I have never had an ex boyfriend who
wasn't in my DMS at some point.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
So you put a spell on them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
That's not my spells.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think that's just like my Like it's like Erkaba,
do you know every boyfriend that ex boyfriend except and
aera who's ever had do you know?
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, Erkabad is also like another.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Boy Yeah yeah, so like they will talk, they have
nothing bad to say about her.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
They just are like, oh, yeah, she's.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Lovely, but they all talk about the smell of herkhouon
hon and so she sells incense that smells like her
cohoon hoon.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
So like, I don't know what I will say.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Sometimes it smells in a way where you're like, well
that smells good. You're like it's I don't know what
it is, but it's like I can see that, and
there's a lot of people intoxicating, yes, intoxicating, yeah, So
I can totally see that. I mean I should do that.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I mean, I think it's kind of like the magic
of just existing too, like when you go into certain
spaces or you go in different rooms. I think music
in particular, like you are kind of tapping into the
universal universes language. Like I think it really is just
without us knowing, our communication with one another. Like going
back to the drum beats that you were talking about,
(34:13):
it is the original heartbeat, right, It's like the pulse
of the universe. And one of the things that we
talked to Empress about was like, what's really cool because
also a musician and singer songwriters, you still.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Play I want to get back into it. My fingers
every time I go into memories.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, we like a versus.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
But it's like like I can do canon.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Indeed, I don't know what that means.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
It's like a wedding song. It's like the like first
song you learn, like in like classical.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Last hell away because I didn't get the joke the
first time. It's okay.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
But yeah, I mean because even in like the way
that you're manipulating these sounds and these words, it's the
kind of do you feel like your tracks can also
be spells?
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh one d Yeah? I mean they're like either affirmation spells. Yeah,
I mean it does feel time. It feels timely when
I try to release stuff like on like a full
moon or on like the spring solstice. I think, like
casey Sthidia came out, So I'm like, I I like
(35:24):
to create in timely manners around moments and that feel charged.
So yeah, and it's for people, you know, it's a
personal practice, right, So I'm doing the work to kind
of understand myself and express things that need to get out.
But then, yeah, I mean the reason I'm releasing it
is to offer it to others for them to then
(35:46):
have their own experience with it. And uh yeah, the
messaging is always intentional.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Because also your imagery is really beautiful too, thank you,
thank you. Yeah, like your imagery is kind of wildly beautiful, striking. Yeah,
you just put what I'm today.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
With like a like a veil that you're just wearing,
and the boots that you're wearing have like these feathers
on them, like like it's so angelic. It's a mixture
of our culture in a lot of ways too, Like,
but there's something that feels like it's edgy, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
And tender, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (36:21):
Like it almost feels like like a wedding look, but
not not to make it corny like a wedding look,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's all white, there's a veil, right, so there was Yeah,
I was referencing La Vitne, you know, like very motherly
but then stripper ish, right, I'm in like a Speedo thongs.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
I know that speedo was so cute. I was like,
do I need a Speedox cbo boxer goal? But like
I'm like, maybe I need that Speedo Like it was
really cute, But how did did you come up with that?
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Like?
Speaker 1 (36:49):
How does that even?
Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, I mean I just like talk with the photographer,
you know, we plan the concept of the shoot. But yeah,
mostly I'm coming up with like the ideas of the looks.
I'm a musician, but like before music was visual arts,
and fashion was like my love even before music. So yeah,
it's always a big part for me to create these
(37:13):
stories through the way I present. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah, because people who maybe aren't seeing the visuals right now,
they might be listening to this. Like you have like
beautiful long these boots that kind of have like the
long curved they're a traditional Mexican boot, right, yeah, see,
like and they're just gorgeous. And then you'll have like
your hair is a certain type of way, your makeup
will be a certain type of way. You'll have beautiful
(37:37):
feathers like flaring out of your pants. Like do you
just are you going into how like I guess are
you going into what I call the in between? Where
so me when I fall asleep, like I literally as
I'm falling asleep, I call it the in between because
I'll get like an idea for something and I'm like,
oh fuck, I gotta get up and write it in
my notebook or I got to write it in my phone,
like to kind of make sure I do it tomorrow, Like,
(37:57):
how are these ideas born?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
How are these visuals born for you?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know. It's hard to pinpoint like one way
or like one source of even the creative process. For me,
it's so individual. I just wherever ideas land. I'm always
studying history references, you know, I'm just constantly immersing myself.
So usually I'm referencing something, but I make it my
(38:24):
own by referencing like five different things and then recontextualizing
it in a new way, so it is a fresh
idea by the time I present it. So it's very Yeah,
I'm always looking at like what's on the runways right
now and just kind of well, I like that. Oh
I love what the shoulders doing. How do I recontextualize that?
(38:45):
With the single about chicken? Let's put eggs on it?
You know, Like That's how kind of my creative process flows,
following inspiration wherever I see it.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Yeah, I did want to, like, actually, just sneak in
one more questions, Yeah, how did you empress up come homies?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, how did I think? Just social media? Loreally just
like followed me.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
She's sneaking to your DMS. You to her DMS.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I don't remember, so dead, I don't remember. Yeah, But
I mean I've been following her music forever and I've
like always respected her.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
I look because she's kind of like what's interesting.
Speaker 4 (39:21):
Why I fell in love with her was because she's
the singer songwriter, but she's I'm Central American too. Yeah,
Like whenever I meet other Central Americans, I'm like, holy shit,
like we are We're so rare in media, right, And
so uh loyally'shen Durant and she produces her own beats
and stuff, and so I was like, whoa, I need
to know this Durant pop princess. And then I think
(39:42):
I was talking about you to mish Prada. Of course
that's how it's been working lately. Brought her dinner table
and I was like, I'm obsessed with this artist. I
think he's really cool. There are those repronents, by the way,
I don't want to yet. And she was like, you're
gonna tell me about can I already loved him so much?
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Oh that's so sweet.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
So then uh Lourally texted was like, what are you
guys doing? Were actually at Mesha's house. It's like ten
minutes away, like you should come over and eat, And
she came over and then she's chilling on the sofa
and she's like, I just hang out with Cane and
I'm like, what the fuck is so crazy? Like like
the thing and I'm like I'm literally dmming him asking
if he'll come on the podcast, and Lourallee is like
(40:22):
we we're friends, and I'm like okay, Like so it's
kind of like this nice world. But I love when
like pop culture world's like it's like when cartoons used
to cross over and back in the day on Nickelodeon
or Cartoon Network.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
It was so sweet. I mean I think, yeah, like
I said, I was following her for a while and
then we connected. It's probably from one of my tiktoks
on rails or something she saw, but yeah, immediately through text,
I'm like we have the same vibe. And then it's like, oh,
she's a lib. I'm like, of course we're still like
baby girls. Sweet.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Together's just like one of my favorite fairies. Like just
like in the universe that I would literally die for
collaboration with you.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
You make it happen.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Literally, you have to make that happen.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, that would be amazing. But should we go to
the hot topics?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Hot, so hot topics are in this jar so hot takes, Yeah,
hot takes. Your hot take on whatever topic is in there.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
It shake it up, shake it up.
Speaker 3 (41:18):
Yeah, and then so whatever you get, what's your hot take?
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Yeah, we want your hot take on this. Welcome to Hotage.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
It's hot.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Okay, she SMA, is that you do? I love? I
have a song Jetty not we hot News. We have
a song together coming out calling She's called mossa shot.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
Oh my god, we love. We've been trying to get
her on the podcast too.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
We're having crazy certain moments too. That's actually no loyally
because of Jarina Generina and way back to the homies
and so that's so funny.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That you have Katrina has like that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
It's so fun.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Does it exist?
Speaker 2 (42:09):
It's done?
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Is it out?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Not yet?
Speaker 1 (42:11):
When does it come out?
Speaker 2 (42:12):
We have to shoot the music video. I'm trying to
I'm trying to get I'm trying to make my way
over there.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Wait, when are you going? Should we go?
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Let's do it?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Did she move there? For real?
Speaker 2 (42:21):
For real?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Kind of?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah? So this this year and like a couple of months.
We're already organizing it. The song's done. Yeah, yeah, we
just want to shoot a cute video.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Was she trying to get me to go in September?
A you guys going to shoo in September?
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yes? Are you going?
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh god?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, either September, October whatever.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Maybe that could be the thing because I just need
some time to recoup financially. But then I definitely would
be down to go. I don't want to be in it.
I just want to, like.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
Witness you're going to be in it.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
We were in her bettle like one because we were
a part of BuzzFeed's Latino channel called battle Like Yes,
and so it was like very meta that, like the
cast of fedal like was in the pedal.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Like and I think I hit her up and I
was like, can we use one of our one of
your songs for our like trailer and she was like,
I have a song that mentions better, like can I
send you that? And it was just like this, like
it just went. It was perfect, And her visuals at
the time were very similar to what I was into's
always been, so yeah, you know, her video was like
(43:27):
she was dancing in the dr and she was like
cutting chickens up like cut their heads off, and.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
And she was showing me like, I mean, she's such
a visual artist too. Yeah, and I didn't know that
when I met her, because I knew she was so
all her voices and she is so just her sound
can go so many places. Yeah, she's an intense visual
artist with such a strong perspective. Yeah, fully creative director.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah. I started doing something for her for one of
her music videos and she's like, no, I just want
big boobs, like giant big boobs. And I was like,
That's not where I was going with that one.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
I was like, if we had different types of fish
and gold and goldfish bowls and then we made your
mouth really big, I feel like I'm going with big boobs.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
So how do you feel about cheese may? Like some
people still people like some people are like, oh, you
shouldn't be a cheese most or whatever, but like, do
you feel like, yeah, gossip cheese may is, like.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
I think it's important. Also it's I'm going to so
I have to just accept that about myself. But uh, yeah,
I need that because I think I'm very polite and sweet,
but there's a virgo mind in here, so I'm clocking everything,
and I won't say it because I care about people's
feelings or you know, like or like oh I didn't
(44:37):
like how they said that or what the you know, like,
so I have to get it out so I have
my safe you know, community, my people, and it's all
like in love, you know, to an extent.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Absolutely, like very like and you know this already. If
I love you, I will sing your praises. I will
(45:10):
carry your name into every room and put so much
love on it and be like, oh my God, like
Jarina Laurley, like Maya, like anybody who's like you, you
know what I mean, like anybody that I know, and
like I'm obsessed, but I do have a kind of
a never mind. Maybe I shouldn't say that, but when
it's somebody that I don't like, I kind of am.
Speaker 7 (45:27):
Like.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
I think it's more of like we're healing as we're
talking about maybe somebody or a situation that we feel
uncomfortable with, and we're healing in real time we're talking
about it.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
I think it is well, you have to purge it
sometimes and like and knowing like the safety of like
getting it out in a place that like, yeah, you
don't want I don't want to hurt people, and it
takes a lot for me to not like someone. So
if like, if I'm talking shit, you deserve what.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
If I'm just reporting live news.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's news, it's just truth.
Speaker 1 (45:58):
I'm just kind of like, I don't know. I also
have a hard time lying now. I don't lie.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
I hate lying. I really am not a good liar.
So I'll be like, how do you I fucking love her?
Oh they're terrible, right, You'll figure it out when you
get to know them.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
It crosses a line when like, like I mean, I
haven't said this on the podcast yet. We'll get into
it later, but like this the beginning of this year,
I found out that some people my family, I found
a group chat of them talking shit about me, like
calling me a bitch, fat shaming me the day after
my birthday. These are my dad sisters.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
That totally makes sense, you know what.
Speaker 3 (46:31):
I'm saying, Like, like, that's something that crosses a line.
That's but if you're calling me dramatic or like I'm
too whatever, like I get it, But like when you're
just blatantly being like vile and cruel, like that's where
I'm like, no, you're not. You're not talking shit, You're not.
(46:51):
It's not che's mandle, Like you're being just a horrible person. Yeah,
you know, Like that's where I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:58):
Like incredibly talented, super like, super amazing talent, super dope,
super cool, stunning, gorgeous, terrible soul that.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Ugly heart never want to see them ever again.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
When she's most like I hate that they have, like
I wish it would get over there, anxious attachment and
I'm like psychoanalyzing, Like it's more like analytical. It's not
like name calling, like because.
Speaker 3 (47:23):
We're like working on ourselves and we're healing and we
know we should have grace for other people as well,
and yeah, that's just that's when it's like not even cheesemad,
it's just like you're just the bitch.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Also sometimes also I don't know if you've ever read
this book. It's called Sapiens.
Speaker 4 (47:39):
It's kind of like the study of like I think
the author I don't know if the author is problematic,
but anyways, the book is Sapiens. It's the study of
the human and they talk about gossip being the way
that evolutionary wise, we do ebolition. We were helping each
other survive because we would be like, don't eat Martha's
pies because they might get you really sick.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah, don't hang out with so and so because he
might slice your throat.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And also I found this guy that I was talking
to for a month. He was on one of those
dating forums that exist to protect women from sketchy men.
He was on there like three times, which is information
out of safety.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, we need that, and it is historically feminine tradition, beautiful,
we need it.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I'm all for it, straight man, girl, You get them
around like we got it down to technique.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
We know how to bring it to like a you know,
a healing thing like but I.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Hope she here package in a beautiful way. There's like
respect etiquette.
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Now for the zodiacs, to the astrology for.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
I like, but I'm always like anyway, welcome to the.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
So we talk.
Speaker 3 (49:07):
It's okay. We talked already so much about astrology, and
you had mentioned you are a Libra sun rising Taurus
Virgo moon, and when you were talking about your emotions
as well, and how like you're able to cut people off,
I feel like that's a lot of your Virgo mood.
(49:28):
You know, because you're able to like you're the Libra,
I think gives you a little bit of like fairness
where they have almost like a time limit, not a
time limit, but like a you know, like a three limit,
three three things. Strikes, yeah, and then.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Strikes.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
I was doing three yesterday. And then your Taurus rising
is like I feel like kind of maybe gives you
a little bit of that grounding and stability that you
can access immediately because because so like your rising sign
is also like you know how you appear, and I
feel like when you walked into the room earlier today,
you seem very like calm and you know, like very
(50:10):
grounded and like put together. And then like I do
feel a lot of the Virgo too, but then I
see the Libra as well. It's like crazy, how like
our big three can really show like just your physical
attributes and like even how you're speaking. Because Curly has
a Scorpio moon, and then I have like three other
(50:30):
best friends who also have Scorpio moons, and it's like
the way they process their emotions are like I'm like,
come on, girl, like get out of the depths, you know,
like let's go.
Speaker 1 (50:42):
I think like a choice, I.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
Think they go really deep Ben and A they go
really like really deep.
Speaker 2 (50:48):
Yeah, a powerful way.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
I guess. I ride it like I really enjoy it.
I'm really like, what is this emotion? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Yeah? And there's like a low vibra high vibration to
every sign.
Speaker 2 (51:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
Are there any signs that you've come across that you're like,
ooh this. They always kind of rub me the wrong
way and I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yeah, who's your toxic sign?
Speaker 2 (51:13):
I don't know. I mean each sign is, you know,
but I will say I resonate a lot with other
air signs.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
Y'all love each other, y'all are different.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
I love Aquarius, I love Gemini. Gemini is like, okay,
so I love Aquariuses differently than I'll love a Gemini.
My Aquarius friendships are much more just like, uh, Geminis
have a lot of up and down right, there's a
lot of like can be tumultuous at times, but so
fucking fun. And so I love my conversations with Aquarius.
(51:47):
Oh my gosh, we just get into it. And there's
like a lot of self discovery in that too. They're
amazing and wisdom.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
So much wisdom. My dad's an Aquarius and one of.
Speaker 2 (51:58):
My dad is too January to eighteenth.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
What's your mom's sign Capricorn? I literally, I literally.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
Just put up a TikTok where I was like, I
don't know what it is about air signs and earth science.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
It's a karmic relationship.
Speaker 4 (52:12):
I cannot tell you why it just happens, but it
always happens. Yeah, and either they're together for thirty six
years and then get a divorce, are there together for
like ten they just always have are there together to
the day they die. Yeah, there's something that brings them together.
And I'm like, from me, my dad's intercurys, my mom's
a Taurus. So I'm like, there's that's past life shit.
Every time I see that that connection, I'm like, y'all
(52:35):
knew each other in past life.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
I don't know what the you know.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
Yeah, but yeah, in terms of air signs and stuff
to y'all are like my favorite too because I just
sit back and watch.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
I just get right y'all.
Speaker 6 (52:45):
And yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Guys are very selective too. Who selective is in like,
you know, not like I feel like a fire sign
would be where they're like, I'm not, I'm aries, but
I'm like Pisces rising, Pisce's mercury cancer Mars and then yeah,
then like Aries Moon and Aries Venus. So it's like
(53:06):
a very hot, hot hot tube that you're hot a
hot tub, but when you get out of the water,
you're not pruney, You're like more hydrated, you know, hot, Right, Yeah,
you feel that hot, hot hot.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I love my fire signs, but I don't know why
there's like I feel like it takes me a little
bit to build those deep relationships. I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
I have that with libras, okay, with liras, aris and
libras because right it's it's usually the libras and the
low vibrating like libras and aries that are like they
won't see each other because they're like, you should see me,
Like the arias are like you should see me because
like I see you, you should already like me. And the
(53:52):
libras are like I feel like sometimes they will want
to put on this like face to impress them, you
know where. It's to be a little not fake people,
you know where, No.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
No, no, no, I think it's just the tendency.
Speaker 3 (54:12):
Yeah, and there's low moments, you know where, because it
brings sometimes different fire science who are toxic bring that
out of them where they feel like they have to
maybe not cower, but they feel intimidated.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
Well you know what it is. I think aries don't
really inhibit themselves as much. Right, It's like instinct.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
It's like very reactive, reactive truth, right, And that's April
March areas clarify.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
But I respect it, but I maybe resent it. There's
something about it that's like can you just put on
the pleasant something that you.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Know, everything has to be like a reaction because then
it like takes up You huff and you puff and
you take up like all of the air in the room,
and you're not allowing other people to talk or other
people to like, yeah, that's like.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
The okay, the fire signs in general sometimes like Leo
two in their low in the lower of course high vibration.
Both Aries and Lee are so in like.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
What's the alien that I'm named after?
Speaker 2 (55:16):
Alien from Oplekly.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
I feel like I'm completely of the zodiac.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Like the aliens. Also a Libra, I think, I think so.
Speaker 4 (55:29):
Maybe yeah, because even this I'm like I don't have
like all my Libra babies obsessed. I do my Libra babies.
Like I'm like, like, I don't find them. The only
time that I make fun of libras is because out
in the world they're like super social and then you
but I always say the same thing. I know they
want to go home, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (55:49):
I know they wait, they have a.
Speaker 3 (55:51):
Mask out of protection. They walk through the room.
Speaker 4 (55:55):
They smell like Perfumer colone to me, and that's an
aries and I just like know microphones.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
Oh yeah, But I feel like when aries and libras
and all signs, when they are not truly like in
in alignment with who they are, I think those toxic
traits can come out where like they can butt heads
and libras and arias are opposites.
Speaker 1 (56:19):
When when are we to talk about virgos?
Speaker 3 (56:22):
And that's a clus the astrology question of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
Well well, well here we are again a time to
be happy and be alive. Yeah, well how do you
how do you? How do you plead today's episode? How
do you plead?
Speaker 3 (56:39):
I really love that we dove deep into like well, actually,
like I I wanted to ask if you could give
any advice to anybody who's in the closet in maybe
like their religion like kind of like in the space
that you were at, like what is your call to
them or what is your advice for them to maybe
(57:01):
soothe their minds or like what do they need to
what do they need to hear?
Speaker 2 (57:04):
I mean it's a hard time right now, right even
just hearing like it's being presented to the Supreme Court
to like possibly overturn marriage right equality heavy shit, right,
I think we have to It's understandable if we are
turning to self protection in these moments, like because I
(57:26):
know what it felt like to be in Florida or
in a region where it's like yeah, obviously like be
yourself expresses like maybe it's not safe, you know. So
I fully understand that, and I think it's okay to
be patient with yourself and to wait. But the little
steps to find safety, even if it's like a friend,
(57:48):
even if it's just like one, like trust those those
people that make you feel safe, because for me, it
was not trusting my instinct, which was when I speak
to these and most of them were women, you know,
that were just like you know, maybe I'm still in
the church, but maybe it's okay to be queer, Like
I can hold space for you like trust those relationships
and those will continue to lead you into a healthy
(58:10):
place where. Then I moved out to California and I
was able to you know, for a year, was at
hippie church. Kind of still not fully where I wanted
to be, but it was the gateway to get to
LA and then kind of really expressed myself here I
wanted to be. Yes, my advice is like, move to
a big city. It's like where you can be honestly.
Speaker 3 (58:29):
Like it's community right right, community and sanctuary and coming
from like a place where like you're seeking refuge basically
and in your identity and in your Yeah, it's it's
a crazy time right now, and I think your story
is very inspiring and can you tell the people also
(58:49):
like where to find you and what's coming up next
for you?
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yeah, you find me on all socials Cane Kolto. Yeah,
I'm just releasing singles the rest of this year. I'm
going to drop an EP and like it's coming up
soon like two or three months, and then another EP
or I'll just drop the full album.
Speaker 1 (59:10):
I can't wait to hear the Darina one.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, that's a standalone single. I'm so excited for it. Yeah,
text it.
Speaker 1 (59:17):
Okay, okay, I mean you can put us in a
group chat arena. Yeah, just do it. I love it.
Where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (59:23):
May You can find me at Maya in the moment,
m A y A in the moment, anywhere you scroll
what about you?
Speaker 4 (59:30):
You can find me at Kane Kolto. You can find
me at the Curly v Show on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
But yeah, thank you so much again.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
Thank you for listening and watching to another episode of
The Club Podcast.
Speaker 1 (59:48):
Do my voice do my late I've offended you called
me a gay sler yours like bye bye, Hi guys,
it's mine in the moment here, I can't go to share.
Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Okay, now my rapping voice and my talking voice. I'm
listening now with the fucking girl.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
So okay, wait, do your rapping voices, Hey, this is going,
and then your talking voice is like, you know, you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Know, slipping and sliding. Do these grills.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
Thank you so much, Thank you guys.
Speaker 7 (01:00:33):
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episodes every single week. The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast
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Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
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