October 22, 2025 • 49 mins
Curly and Maya sit down with the vibrant and unapologetically creative Jarina de Marco to talk all things love, life, and lyrics. From the chaos of studio sessions to the calm (and sometimes comedic) realities of married life, Jarina opens up about finding her person, nurturing a partnership while pursuing her passion, and how love has influenced her music.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh my god, is not settling for less than I deserved.
I was like, unfollow get engaged.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Uh so if you don't made those three criterias, you're
not getting a cyclub love. Wow. That was ger like
kicking you out. Having a man with money doesn't mean
that you're going to be happy. Having a man that
is ambitious does not mean you're going to be happy.
Having a man that's only just kind doesn't mean you're
gonna be happy. It's a combination of all the things.
And I've gotten in the pits of depression for like
two months. I couldn't get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
My name is Curly and I'm Maaya. The Super Secret
Bestie called Podcast. Season four is here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheese man,
terrible love advice.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Evil spells to casta on your ex.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're not doing that this season.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Each episode will feature a special best siet and you're
not going to want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So what are you waiting for? Kid in here?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You get up here?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What are you doing down there? Get in the tree? Yeah?
Get in here?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Wow, my gosh, we have a pop star another pop
star podcast. We've been waiting to have you one, by
the way, and I'm glad we could do it in
the space where we can see you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Absolutely, we love you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What Yeah, it really means, I swear to god. Everyone
thinks it's dirty, but it's not. You know what it was.
It was Alex myself and do you know the peky
he's an artist from the Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They stayed with you for a while.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, we were you always forget that one day we
have like this beautiful day we hung out for a
walk together with the baby and I'm like, no, we
had a long, beautiful day.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I forget everything. I'm a goldfish. But anyways, we were
peeling potatoes in the kitchen and I'm like, may not
wait a minute, we went to the studio and fifteen
minutes later.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I love them, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The craziest thing was though, after, because we were this
years ago during the pandemic. Probably it was right off
the pandemic exactly. And I had a show last year
because I haven't been performing as much, and I performed
it for the first time ever. And and that trip,
I told my choreographer, Jenna ma Ronie's husband or soon
to be husband about this idea that I had for
music video was like, Okay, imagine that we're like potato people,
(02:44):
and we're like drug dealers that deal in potato. So
we're self canibalizing potato drug dealers. We're in the warehouse
and all these people are just packaging up these potato
drugs and one of them drinks want or like tastes
it and they go crazy and then everyone starts like
crazy and dancing getting super high.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I love your brain.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Your brain is like on a whole other like thank.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You, totally guess I'm getting into like puppetry, like I
love puppet you know. And you at your son's birthday
one year, you had what.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Are they called Bob Baker's Marine Theater.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh wow, I didn't that's who they were. I just
knew it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think I spent to the actual place where they were.
Oh my god, you have to go. What are you
guys doing? This is the best, Like, oh my god.
Oh they they have it every week. It's always seasonal too,
so they have like Christmas Spectacular all go for Halloween,
buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, it's the best, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Partake on the green.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know yes, but yes I don't, but I do.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, some weed and go.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Should we introduce our audience to Marco? Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So this is according to tech okay correct, and so
you can disagree. You can fight with us in real
time like that's not real, but this is just what okay.
Jerina Le Marco is a Dominican Brazilian singer, songwriter and
multidisciplinary artist known for her bold fusion of genres and
multi Lenko lyrics. Born in the Dominican Republic and raised
partly in Montreal, she now lives in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
In Brazil, wait or is this like.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The She now lives in La creating music that blends pop, electronic,
hip hop, and traditional Latin rhythms. Her breakout moment came
from her song which is Figured in Broad which was
featured in Broad City, and her work has appeared in Euphoria,
(04:45):
Fast and the Furious Nine and Sing Too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Beyond her vibrant sounds and visuals, Jerina used.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Her platform to tackle themes like colorism, feminism, and social justice.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Weaving activism into her heart.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Her debut EP Markreala The Ultimate Markriala and her twenty
twenty three album Caribbean all inclusive luxury showcase your signature
mix of humor, cultural critique, and genre defying sound approved.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay it is.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I met you through Curly and we were working
at BuzzFeed's bettle Like at that time, and you had
a song called beatle Like, and then you had us
in the music videota.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
For back a little Bit More.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Too, because I have that as a song.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, no, because I discovered you online. I saw a
video that you did and I was very into like
my buheada, yeah, I still am, but you also were
into your own magic and your own way, and it
was appearing in your visuals.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I hit you up. We became immediate friends. We're like
what else?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And then I was like, can we use one of
your songs for betle Like? And you were like yes,
but I'm getting ready to release another song that says
bettle like hold off. Yeah, and then that's when now
that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and then the music video we shot it at uh.
My friend Matty was the director and her mom is
Leah from Back to the Future the Future.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yes, mom, it was a calm on a call.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah. It was the craziest thing, right, because like all
of a sudden like back to the future. Mom is like, hey,
are you guys? Okay, you guys want the waters, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Just like how's it going on? Yeah, like, oh no,
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And that was my first year in LA Wow. Yeah
I got to y sixteen from New York.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Wow, we have like a really running history together.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No way from Phoenix Okay, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Wow yeah because then you had us in that place.
I remember like we had to like act too and
at ye a thing. But what's also wild is like
in that short time, our lives really intertwined with one
another in really big ways, right, like even just introducing
me to Loyally who also came was on the show
like Empress of and we're all like this family where
(06:58):
we've known for so long. But also just like you
introducing us to Melissa, which.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Melissa, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it was really fun because I think it was
again a birthday party.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't know if it was your baby's birth birthday
parties or birthday party's birth baby's birthday parties or dinners
in my house.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There was something yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Always have like the best people around you at these parties.
Like so we go in and I remember we were
shooting a video. By the way, it's like just a
little bit more of a story. I had just gone sober,
was sober for maybe like a year. I had gained
forty pounds, and we were making this video about losing weight,
but like weight loss fitness, we're looking for a trainer,
(07:39):
but specifically Latina is what we really wanted. And we
were looking around and we didn't find anything. We get
to your place and we meet Melissa, who's like, I
just got here, like from New York.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Melissa came to my house a month prior, and I
feel so bad, but I didn't have a spare room,
but I had my garage and I made a bed
for her there because she she was like, oh, waiting
tables and she has a she had a small child then,
and she's like, you're not gonna believe this, But Kim
Kardashian contacted way through Instagram and she flew me out
here to interview to be her trainer.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So her life fully.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And so I mean that's who Melissa is for those
who don't know she. I don't know if she still
trains Kim kids, I don't know. I don't think, but
she's doing her own thing. Now she like has her
own programs and I think clothing line and like.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Something.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
At the time she was she way Melissa in cases
is all wrong, and we just got this is what
chief my brain.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
But yeah, that that was like a really amazing time
that we got to meet her. We had her in
the video, and she changed our lives. We got really snatched.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I actually that's where I developed my
gym habits too, was because of that one meeting, because
I just like I wasn't a gym I never was
a gym person. I didn't believe that I could access
fitness for myself. It felt very hetero sis.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ill to me.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And I think meeting her and her giving that to me,
like I've continued it on like six years later, not
as intensely.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
As like, I mean, Melissa is a beast, she is
an athlete.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I was fucking looking fucking celary sticks out there. I
was not.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But now it's twenty twenty five, you know, and you
are married, right, you have a beautiful baby, and you
are figuring on if you're going to stay in the
dr or yeah. Still, I mean you live close to me,
and we just like see you as this person who's
like so successful. We're so proud of your success, and
(09:42):
it seems, well, I don't I feel I don't want
to use the word perfect because nothing's.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Perfect, right, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
But like as a woman like you, when they say
like you can't have it all, it feels like you
kind of have it all.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, you have like the career, you have, the
looks in the brain, you're the beautiful family, you found love,
you have this beautiful, beautiful angel baby. And I even
wrote in my notes that I was like, you even
have Pongo, who was a grumpy dog in Lahole. I
like literally grumpy dog. I love him always, but now
(10:15):
you see videos of him, he's like living his best
Siva life.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, I just want to know what was the exact
spell that you cast?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, where the.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Spell is not settling for less than I deserve?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Virgo Also virgo, by the way.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think like coming at the gig serving kunt is
the key to fighting love. Yeah, I mean it. Like
so if I really think about like my my trajectory
with men in my life, obviously teenagers teenage years are crazy,
but actually now that I think about it. I just
saw two of my ex boyfriends back in dr and
(10:53):
they're lovely men. I think I had a good picker,
and I think the reason why I had a good
picker is because my father, although he's a wonderful man
in many ways, is such a disaster as far as
a partner that I think I may like a vow
to myself when I was really young that I was
going to find the complete opposite. Oh wow, So I
tend to feel grossed out by alpha, domineering men. I
(11:16):
don't like people who are unkind, and that's everyone, but
especially my partner. I like sensitive men. I like I
like men that are sensitive and have a feminine side
that's very healthy and developed. I don't mind being I
don't mind being in a in a dynamic where my
(11:36):
partner is not like manly in the in the in
the conventional sense of the word, like tough. I like
a man that can be both, and Alex can do that.
I love that about him. He's like loose ass hips
can cook a dinner, can do so many him and
you can also build a house.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yes, we literally like how to what we were joking about.
We were like cracking up because you have. We were like,
he had to build a fucking house for you, a
fucking sofa.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
He like put a creak in the living room or something. Shit.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
There was ferries hanging. We were like very He was
so on top of it and we were just like
cracking up. We were all together at your house. I
think it was like, girl, let him take a seat,
give him a glass of water.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
What did you mean.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We met at a recording session that went terribly bad.
He had been working for many years with a very
famous recording producer named Daniel Lenois, who did all of
like Joshua Tree YouTube albums, all of YouTube's career, and
Brian you know, many other people, and so he was
a very domineering figure and Alex was working with him
for many, many years. And that particular relationship was about
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music that is played live. So when you record live,
it's literally just recording live and you're adjusting as people
are playing. But when you record pop music, it's very different.
You're singing to a microphone, you have some lyrics in
front of you, it's take after take, and he had
never done that. So our first session was the bumpiest,
(13:08):
most weird, like recording session because it's super rapid fire,
like you're like gonna sing three lines and then gonna
start over again, or are you're gonna stack vocals? And
he did not know how to do it, but he
was so cute and he spoke Spanish all of a sudden.
Because people who don't know Alex, he's very white. He's
like a redhead with like green eyes and fuel from Venezuela. Butman,
(13:34):
oh yeah they went to cool school together.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, We've been talking on the text on Instagram and
I never met direction, but Alex knows her so well.
But anyways, I just was kind of smin with him
at that moment and I never saw him again for
four years.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Wow, so you didn't keep in contact yet and follow
each other.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He fell into their on Instagram, but that was it.
And then four years later I saw that he had
a girlfriend and that he had engaged. So I was
like and follow was like, he had engaged.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And so a year after his engagement, I get a
text from him. He's like, Derina, Hi is Alex you
remember me? And I'm like, oh, yeah, how are you weird? Also?
Why are you calling me? So he calls people oh yeah, yeah,
and he was asking me. He was asking me if
I come down to Miami often because I came from
Miami when I moved to LA, So he thought I
(14:28):
was from Miami because he was opening this like project
that to do with music and and helping local scenes
grow who are underprivileged, really cool project. And I'm like,
I'm sorry, I don't I don't know anyone in Miami out.
I don't really from there, and he's like okay, and
then he started texting me more and more, and then
after like the fourth of fifth text, I just came
(14:48):
out with it. I was like, are you flirting with me? Alex?
Like what is this? I don't I don't want to
beat around the bush here, yes, like I don't live
with me or what I don't want to do. I
don't want to I don't have time for some like banter. Yeah,
like either asked me out or don't.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, what are the kids saying? Jerina coated so yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So he was like he said some dumb ship like uh,
isn't life but a mere flirtation. So I was just like,
you know what, I'm gonna pretend even say that. And
I'm gonna say, yes, you are flirting with me. He's like, okay,
and then he came to l A. We went on
a date, and then I went down to Miami for
nine months. We did that back and forth until the
pandemic hit. And then the pandemic hit and he came
to say moving with in l A. And I was
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pregnant within a month.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I remember that, Like it was so clear because I
actually remember when I was trying to help you in
your dating life, and I also was like, you should
try dating.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Someone, so you know what I mean, Wait, I know
who you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, if I'm okay to state, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Go, sweetheart, we want to hooka day, which is the
most Dominican thing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I recently. He's he saw me that I moved to
d R and he's like, what's it like there thinking
about it?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah. I mean he's been talking about living there forever.
He loves it there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But it's so funny because I remember that that you
kind of were in, like in the scene in the
game of like.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Looking for Love, and then this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Came out of nowhere and I had sworn white man,
like I'm never dating white guy ever again, and I
didn't because he's Latino but he is white.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think I feel like I used to make fun
of you about that too, like me, yeah you did.
Oh yeah, we always like I'm like, oh, I guy,
I mean, look, I'm not gonna yeck young, But like
I remember at the time, Well, how.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Did you know like that? I guess that's the big
question that we have when we talk about love. How
did you know he was the one?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I just we aligned culturally in so many ways, like
we're I feel like we all have a simile experience
where we're Latinos, but we're also American. That is an
important thing. Also, him and I have lived in many
countries and feel kind of countryless, and that also is
a thing that really bonded us. The backgrounds of an
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Isuelans and how Venezuelans live is very similar to Dominicans.
We're like cousins that get along. Unlike you know how
people who are neighboring, they likes of neighboring, always beef.
Venezuelansia are like, oh my god, I love you, I
love you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I just love each other.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, and so we understood so many so much about
each other. On so many cultural levels, and I never
really went for that because when you grew up in
line of my ka, you know, you realize that a
lot of men can be very machista and you kind
of swear them off. So I had my like gringo
era where I was like Emily dating feminists men, which
(18:10):
meant white men ment feminists.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yea interesting, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like not all but way more than a lot of
Latino men. Yes, okay, And so you know, within that,
I also realized that it's not just about you know
those things, but also but what you share in common.
And for some people you don't have to have that
as a partner. But I realized that it was important
(18:35):
for me to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Have someone we know when will we know when we
meet the person like that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I have this method that someone taught me.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I have told you this beforethod.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So it's seven things. Seven things that if you were
to make your perfect man or woman or or they them,
what would you you know, write out as a descriptor
not physical I'm talking about personality, right, So like let's
say a family man, kind person hot to you, to you, okay,
(19:08):
successful fit or likes to work out, name a couple
more that you that you guys like tall, Well, that's
not a personality.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Traits That personality sure versatile.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Kind Okay, So out of those seven things, if you
write this down, sit down and really think about the
seven things that you really want in a person to love.
Write these seven things down, and then you can only
have three. Those three things are the non negotiables. Everything else.
Everything else is gravy. Everything else is extra, and you
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are a lucky person. But if you have those three things,
then that's the thing that opens the door to exploring
if you guys can be together.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
My jokes.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Takes it in the shit, but really, and it really
does kind of narrow down what is important to you,
especially now in your life, because what if you would
have made this list when you were twenty, it would
be very different than now, right one hundred And you
start realizing, if you're learning through the game of life,
if you're actually paying attention, that things that you think
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matter don't anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And the thing that I like to do as a
visualizer for my friends when I talk about this is
that imagine if your heart and your attention is a club,
and it's called club Love. My heart and your attention
to someone his club life, right, And there's this bouncer
outside of a big, old, burly bouncer. Let's call him something.
Why don't you call him what? Some Thiago and what's
(20:44):
your bouncer's name? Oh shit, Gertrude, Great Gertrude. She sounds
like she has a mustache. I love her already.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, So Gertrude and San Thiago have a list, and
the list is the seven things and then the top
three are the things that are there that are non
ego to get inside of the club. So if you
don't meet those three carteriers, you're not getting a side
club love. Wow. So that was like kicking you out?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Can I really helped me solidify?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Can I give you one of my problems? Yes, which
is not a humble brag, but it's true. I'm very
easy to get along with. Like I'm super easy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Are you people? Pleaser?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I ish at tendencies, but I'm also just like I'm
just down to clown, you know what I mean, Like
I'm just chilling. So like when I meet people, Oh,
it's gonna sound really fucked up, but a lot of
people are like I had a great time, and I'm
kind of like, well, yeah, I'm really easy to hang with,
Like so it's hard for me to be like my
top ones actually on the top of my head would
be like kind right, like how do they treat people
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that are.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Might be serving on us? Are they ambitious?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And are they like do they have good do they
maybe not drink? And they're really big with family time
maybe like you know, outside of the gay scene or whatever.
But I find that, like I will meet a lot
of people like that, and we do have so Like
there's a book called fuck Love, and there's a section
of it that says like if you know that you're
charming and you know that you're like a fun person,
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turn it down, oh, because.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like you could be just charming them versus showing up
as like it's like the pr version of you kind
of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Like just like tone it down. Basically.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm so surprised.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean, I mean that's what I was like that
because I want to show up authentically, like that's just
who I personality.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's like I'm sorry, it's like personalities. It's like having
spiritual apps. You're saying like like, well we're not going
to show our apps because we're like exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So I have the issue where I have and then
probably burning myself here. But I have really good first dates.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I loved let me say this, people fall in love
with him.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Of course, and I'm honored and I love that and
it's and it's kind. But I'm like, how do I
get to decipher like where I'm at, like, because I'm
kind of like ship like this, yeah, you technically have
other criteria, like off the top of your head, like
what do you think what advice would you give me
to be like okay, we'll add this or this is
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how you can like decipher people because I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know, right, well, let me think. So when I
met Alex, I was thirty four. I'm turning forty next
week or two weeks from now. That's not crazy, why yeah, yeah, yeah,
So at that time in my life, I knew what
I wanted. I wanted a husband. I wanted to find
my life partner. Fucking period. I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Deal with that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I don't want to deal with bullshit. The dates that
I've had recently were so depressing. I was just like, no, okay,
so I already had that in mind, and I made
that list for myself and I basically basically said to
myself that if I'm serious about this, I have to
do this as a job. This is a job. Finding
your partner is a job. It is true. I think
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it's seriously and you can't bullshit yourself into thinking, well,
he doesn't he has this thing about him and no,
you have to be incredibly sharp and objective about it.
And it kind of takes away the romance from it
a little bit. But I don't give a ship Honestly,
I don't care. Like when I met him and I
got to understand who he was, I knew right there
and then all right, this is the math for me. Yeah,
(24:16):
these are the criterias and and the and the shortcomings
that you had, because of course all of us have shortcomings.
I was willing to work with and nurture to help blossom,
and he is blossoming because of that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now, say with me, I was going to say that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I have anger issues. I instead of being sad, I
get angry.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Okay, and Alex has I've seen that before?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Have you seen that before? It's my way of dealing.
It feels so much better to be angry than to
be sad when you have an issue.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Really, I used to be the opposite and then I
switched one day. Oh wow, Yeah, it's addictive because it's
like powerful, You're like that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
People don't take me seriously when I'm angry. Oh really yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I No, I don't have Taurus rising and Sagittarius moon.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh that's crazy. We just had another tourus with the
Sagittarius place.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So anyways, when Alex and I were dating, we were
in like Key West on the romantic vacation together and
we were in the hot tub and he told me
in the hot tub while we were making out and
like kind of like chilling after making up. It's like, so,
I want to tell you something and I'm like yes.
He's like, I'm just not ready for a relationship right now.
(25:31):
I've broken up with that fiance a year. He's like,
I'm working on this project and I just don't know
if I can, if I can do it all because
you're in l A and I'm here and like, I
just want, I want, I want to treat you the
way you should be treated. But like, might mom choose
that moment? Because because boys.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Are idiots really sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Also like do it the next day after we slept together, you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Know, boys or idiots before you leave.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, like let me cry on the plane. No, Like
we're drunk in a hot one of gorgeous like sweet
at this like the Mermaid Inn hotel. Wow, you used
to be a whorehouse. Really really fun story. But anyways,
and at that moment, my heart sank and I and
I took a deep breath and I was like, in
my brain, I was like, all right, done, We're done.
(26:17):
Let's have a good time tonight. So I was like,
I understand. And we had the best sex I think
we've ever had, and and then I was just like, okay,
that's it. In my in my own spirit in mind,
I was like, Jerina, you don't have a time to waste. Yes,
he's great, but this is not time for him, and
this is not time for you. Move the on. And
(26:40):
I did it like that. And this is after like
six months of dating. I don't know what happened, but
a couple of days later, after I got back from La,
he started texting me more and more, and all of
a sudden, it was like that conversation had never happened.
You know, and I maybe, and then a while later
(27:04):
I try to break up with him because the back
and forth drive me crazy, and I was just like,
you know what, I don't. I don't want to do
this anymore. I feel anxiety. If you don't call me
within a certain time, I feel weird. I don't I'm
not the kind of girl. And that also was like
he was like, no, let's not do that, please, and
then we finally got together. Here we stay together. But
(27:25):
the whole point is that I don't think it's a
clear cut line. I think that it is a matter
of understanding what it is and you want truly and
not the superficial parts of what you think you want.
Having a man with money doesn't mean that you're going
to be happy. Having a man that is ambitious does
not mean you're going to be happy. Having a man
that's only just kind doesn't mean you're going to be happy.
(27:46):
It's a combination of all the things and the things
that are balanced within that, and also understanding that these
things also can happen within your lifetime together. So many
girls I go after like rich guys and that's what
they want, and it's or like guys who are successful
or have some kind of cloud and like I don't.
I much rather build something.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's how I am too.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It also sounds like you were really trusting of timing. Yeah,
like whether you made you had the anxiety, which also
is interesting too because can both exist at the same time.
Can something make you anxious, but you also kind of
are trusting it in a.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Way that I mean, my anxiety was telling me this
situation like long distance is not going to work, and
it wasn't going to it was going to crash and burn.
It wasn't the pandemic. We would have either I would
have had to move to Miami, which I did not
want to do, or he would have to move here,
which I would have been hardworking for him because he
had this multi million dollar project that he was running
for someone. So you know, it was just divine timing.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I think so much of life.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
As luck, divine timing and being able.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
To observe that it's the.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Bright person, yes, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Clearing out the concepts of what you think love is too.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I think that I have I am very okay with
understanding that concepts of love is not the Disney aspects
of it at all. It's like you are. There's this
philosopher he owns like school of Life. He's amazing. He's
like he has a talk called why you will Inevitably
Marry the wrong person, But it talks about how it's
(29:18):
two damaged people coming together and trying to be perfect
one another, trying to be something that they're not, versus
if you show up authentically and you show up with
who you are and give each other the grace kind
of like what you just said in terms of being
like there he had his fortcomings and I helped him
and he did the same for me. It's kind of
(29:40):
like you're just blame to share. There's progress to share
as well. But I think my issue is that I
am and I ask myself because it's is it rooted
in trauma? Is it rooted in like the nervous system.
What part of me is getting like excited and activated?
And I think that's an important question to ask a
(30:02):
lot of people because I think that people think that
if their nervous system or part of them isn't activated,
it's not a thing. So like, you know, I know
people who think that love is when somebody will do
anything for you. I know people that for me, still
use the word unconditional love, and I actually don't believe
that that there's story.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I think unconditional love is reserved for children. And even
that's a certain degree too.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
There's some kind I love that I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, No, there are conditions with love, and one of
them is respect and and a lot of empathy and
kindness words to partner, and a lot of patience.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
So even like behind the scenes that now you live
like you know, like I said that, you had this
really beautiful life. If you're doing what you love, you're
still making beautiful music. You have this wonderful partner who
we all love.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like even if.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Fashion is like honey, I I style him.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That's what I was going to go too, and feels
like he feels like family.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
There we go. The little crack in.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
The you know, we had a hard time this year.
Like I'll give you an example. The fires happened. Alex
and I went Tuesday in Joshua Trader friend's house for
a while, and then all the reports were coming that
the air was really bad. I have bad asthma. My
son also has kind of crappy lungs and we wanted
to get out of the country and go to DR
for like three months to get out of the air,
(31:42):
and like, you know, just it feel crazy right that time,
were just and their index was terrible. So when we
got to d R and I'm between DR and LA.
I come back every so often, and we're still buying
our house and plan I'm living here, but we're taking
this year to be in DR and my son is
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very Spanish, so that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
When I got there, I had a really tough time
because it was so unexpected. We had all these plans
this year. Alex had just finished building his recording studio
for at most immersive uh mixing for movies and spend
a lot of money on that. We had just finished
decorating our house and renovating the kitchen and all that stuff,
and all of a sudden we're like in Dominica Republic
(32:28):
and the beach town and the of course, even though
it's beautiful, I never expected to live there. And like
you know how I am, Like my friends are everywhere
with me, and my house full of people always and
I'm always cooking, and it's you know, I'm very much
a community person and now we're in this beautiful house
on a hill or look in the ocean, and I
know no one, and I'm also like pushing forty, and
(32:49):
I don't want to make new friends because the best
you know that I know that I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
But that's kind of yeah, by the way, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then besides that, the last time I was living
in DR, I was a teenager and I felt trapped
there and I didn't have any money, and I escaped
the island like just on a miracle, and I ended
up in New York and I waited tables for ten years.
I really crawled my way out of DR. I really
really did. I even married got married and I was twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, so you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Know, my boyfriend and I got married so I could
say in the country and like it was a whole thing.
And we were married for many years and he is
my first husband and I love him to death. And anyways,
always to say is that I really sacrificed a lot
to leave DR. And when I got to DR, my
body felt like I was again a teenager, trapped in
this island that I couldn't leave, and I got in
(33:45):
the pits of depression for like two months, I couldn't
get out of bed because you know, so much of
la is our community, and how we get work, how
we get projects, is because we see each other and
we think of each other, and then all of a sudden,
you're working, and my identity is so tied into that.
And so for the last you know, some months back,
I was really depressed, and not just that, but I
(34:05):
was really angry, and I was angry, and I was
telling Alex how angry it was, and he was really
stressed out because he was trying to keep everything together
and I fell apart. This is these are the moments
where you see what your marriage is made of. And
he was incredibly patient with me. He let me sleep,
he let me cry, He made sure that had everything
(34:26):
I needed. He would push back when I was being
a cunt, because I'm sure I was. He called his
friends to talk about it because I was being very
difficult at the time, and we came out the other
end way stronger. So I think like, in terms of
who you want as a partner, it really is someone
that knows how to weather the difficult times. Because I
(34:47):
had the best year of my life financially and career
wise in twenty twenty three, and it all came tumbling
down the industry like totally collapsed. I know that you
guys experienced the sink where I work in making music
for films and TV shows and things like that. Down Yeah,
just gone like that.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I lost sixty percent of my income that year, like
so much of my money just gone, like just like
you know, virgo me.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I save a lot. So I was okay and I
can navigate.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But it was like crazy when the faucet turns off.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah yeah, and you know and you think that, like
what did I do? You know, it reminded me. You know,
I got like a full time job.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I was working at another establishment and I would.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Walk there literally told me.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, oh well that's different before. This is a different thing.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
But I was there and I, you know, had like
this job that was like not anything. I learned a lot,
but it wasn't necessarily what I wanted to do. And
I would have people coming in and being like what
are you doing here? Why are you here? And I
was like, oh, well I need a job too. I
have to work too, And I had you know, people
being like.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I paid to watch you talk before, right, now you're
Now you're here, and I'm like, oh that there's a
part of you that feels like, yeah, it's humbling, but
there's a part of you that goes like how did
I get here? Like where did I go? Did something
go wrong somewhere? And so it reminds me of you
waking up in the dr and being kind of like, wait,
I crawled out of here, like I.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
What am I? And I'm back here. In my career
is like going through a moment and like I don't
have so my day to day is mine through Friday.
I go to a recording session pretty much every day
and I write songs and I record songs. So now
that was gone, wow, you know, like my routines. But yeah,
all that to say is that you want someone without
(36:40):
when you're down, knows how to help you. And also
this is through therapy. Alex and I have been to
therapy this last six years on and off, and I've
talked to him about what I need when I am
in distress. Like we have this thing where if I'm
complaining about something or I'm angry about something or upset
about something, he always asks me, do you want comfort
or solutions?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah? I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, we had a fight this morning, fund enough because
he didn't ask me that and he went to solution
and it was about my mom. My mom and I
I love her, we have a difficult relationship. I know,
like she's amazing and I love her, but we have
a difficult relationship at times. And and she said, I
don't know, she says something to me and I was
annoyed and I told about it. He's like just still,
(37:22):
you know, he's something that wasn't helpful. And we had
a fight about it, and then he went to have
breakfast by himself because I was like taking a shower
and I was like needed a break. He came down,
he apologized, and then that's something that we worked on
because Alex had a hard time apologizing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
really hard. And we went to there before that and
it really helped and he got it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And it's a lot of like I think, one of
the things with me that I learned being in a
toxic relationship and really wanting it to work is just
the things of like it's not me versus you, it's
us versus the problem. Yeah, I really want to get
past this. And one of the things that I was.
We were talking about it, but I was like, I
have this thing where like when I tell you that
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I love you and that you're my family, you're.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Like you're in it.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
If we fight, I kind of don't take them seriously
if I'm honestly, because I'm like, I'll talk.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To you later, like you already know I love you,
and which some people don't.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Like because that makes people feel really it feels dismissed
for a lot of people. But I'm just kind of
like I just already know that I'm gonna be like fine,
So I work We're gonna be fine. So I work
on like a lot of different tactics of like how
people can communicate in terms of like what we can
do in real time. So like, another thing that I
learned was the story I'm telling myself. So like the
(38:38):
story and Brene Brown said it. I don't know Ifnee
Brown's still cool, but Berne Brown was saying, like, uh,
the story I'm telling myself is that when you show
up late, you don't care about my time because I
feel like you're never late when you hang out with
your friends. Or the story I'm telling myself is that
when I was drowning in the pool and you didn't
jump in immediately, that you actually don't care about me
(39:00):
as I would have jumped in for you. So it's
like different like solutions that I feel like help in relationships.
And the other thing. The last thing too, that I've
kind of learned in my thing is that you can
people can be in long term relationships for as long
as they want to be. You can be in it
for twenty five years, thirty years, forty years. It's not
always healthy, But what I find is that there is
(39:22):
just a dedication to the unit. And I think that
when there's like a blind dedication to the unit, sometimes toxic,
sometimes for better or for worse. Like you're kind of
just like we're in the unit. This is we are
the genies of this lamp and here we will stay.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, and we have a kid. It guess even further
more complicated.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
He's the lamp.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
If you are a team and you have this baby.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Beautiful baby by the way, sorry beautiful baby.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, so this is hot takes. Oh so you're going
to pick something out of here and give us your
hot take?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay a dating ick be late, okay, don't be fucking late.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Me too same, what were like the eggs that were.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Just I know, splitting the fucking bill? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay wait talk about he too situation or or if
someone invited me out like.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
A like can't I ask a problematic question to the
girlies the whole like my.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Face is right, just as an outsider of heterero normativity.
So there's some things that I get, like, oh, that's
interesting because me with a gay dude, it's very easy,
like well we sway, it's different whoever asked pays for who?
But in terms of like if a man doesn't pay
on the first day and does ask the split, is
that like a big folk.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I hate it. I hate it here get it's like.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The the last time that happened to me was like
five years ago, and he was like, oh he was
a PA on a show and he was like, I
have a PA budget. I can't afford to like split
the or to pay for you, like can we swit
the But it was like the way that he said
it that I was.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Kind of like, what a lady boner killer.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And we are the cheesecake factory.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh god.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I was like I wasn't gonna be like what
you puur Like.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, I get that, but maybe if you're poor, if
right now you're not gonna have the money, make dinner,
do something else.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
We could totally do something that has nothing to.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Do with it.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, that's how it's gonna be. But like, at least
for the first time you think that.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
It adds like something in your head, because I know
that for me, like part of what I look for
me personally as a gay man, what I look for
another partner is like can we provide?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Like can we provide for each other? Are we going
to build together?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
And I think that maybe if I was assists female
or expecting somebody to pay for me, maybe I might
feel like this fool can't provide for me.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Well, it's not so much provide, it's more taken care of.
And also, this is a you invited me out, like
you asked me out. This is your responsibility. You me
to fill your shoes and that's a limus test. And
as to what you're like as a partner, Yeah, you know,
if you're not ready today because you don't have money,
that's fine, just don't go on dates.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
But are there some things sometimes I get kind of
like and of course, I always said I'm like the
alien from Lelo and Stitch that came in to study Mosquitos.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I always feel like I'm here.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Stating people, but like in a world where men will
be like camina and okay, because where does that line.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Just as much as women when a man is sick,
make them soup and give them kisses and make sure
that they're comfortable. We are supposed to be taking care
of each other as human beings, and the way that
sometimes men express themselves or women want them to express
themselves is by taking care of them just as much
as we take care of them.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Okay, okay, we take.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Care of each other. Okay the door for me, I
will open the door for someone behind me too.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean, this thing about feminism and like the courtesy
of like chivalry to me is absolutely I think, like
I think American women have gone wrong with this telling
man not to have manners that way. That might seem
old fashioned because it plays into stereotypes. But again, what
I say is taking being taken care of feels good,
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whether it's coming from a man or a woman. If
it's coming from a woman, it's expected, But from a man, Oh,
it's chivalrous. No, we should expect to be. Well, you
literally opened the door. From when I was in New
York and I was in my twenties and I'm a
Latino woman and I was eating white dudes, I would
stand in front of the doors and look at the
(43:39):
at the handle and be like, I don't know how
to open the door. Look at them, and they'd like,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Because you're weak or you can't know. It's because like,
let's see, like it's a yes, it's not like something.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Birds let's like peakock around and like and like charm
each other too. It's not so pragned.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think that's where things get
a little like stuck, where I'm just like, what is
the what is the line for y'all? Like even just
like back in the day for me, and I know
it's different, but like when a guy would grabd me
by the wrist and be the small of my wrist
and be like, hey, what's up? Like you know, I
would be like I like that. Of course that can
happen with y'all, like don't touch people, don't touch women,
(44:21):
but you know, anyways, grab me by.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The wrist if you wait, I have one last thing
to say about love and finding the person.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
So when I met Alex, I was probably a one
hundred and forty something pounds. I'm four eleven way overweight
according to the bm MY Index, which by the way,
is bullshit because it's all based on men European ones. Anyways,
I wasn't my skinniest, I didn't feel my prettiest, and
I was so determined to lose weight so I can
find my man. That is the biggest load of crap
(44:51):
I have ever your physical appearance as far as like
being the determining factor to attract in the person and
that you're going to.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Wait perfect, which is not.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
It is bullshit. I've never been loved the most in
my life at my heaviest, and when I got married,
I was postpartum and I was also my heaviest after
you know, being with us and here.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
He is and you literally have the most beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Thank you. I feel very lucky. I really feel like
love and family is wealth. It's true.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Well, welcome to the astrology portion of the podcast. You
are a Virgo, you said, Sagittarius Moon.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yes, good Lord, that's why you get it done all
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I love me.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well, when you're talking about like the sadness of sorry,
like the sadness of anger or anger versus sadness, I
feel like that has a lot to do, like with
your moon sign as well, because I feel like whenever
you have I have a moon sign, what is my
moon sign? Is aries a fire moon sign? When you
have a fire moon sign, it can go either way.
(46:02):
And I do you feel like your emotions as a
Sagittarius moon like reflect that?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah? How does it? How does it come out of you?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I get really impulsive and reactive and really angry super fast,
and then it goes away and dies off, and I'm like,
I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
No, it's different. I do.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Also very woman.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
It's also like it's different like depending on who I'm
talking to, is this bitch?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I know? What's your What is your's?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Your birthday? Not not too much?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
No really?
Speaker 3 (46:46):
You know today that changed outfits? Sorry like a.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Happy birthday curly?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah? Are you today? Eight?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah? Yeah burgoo double scorpio but pretty mellow?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So your virgo?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
What is your right double scorpio?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Holy shit?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
The amount of spells that I throw out when I'm
like fucking masturbating.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Oh we're saying my love.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
You are September Virgo.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, nineteenth. Okay, so you are twenty August.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Virgo twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah. Thank you for calling me the chilis ferg that
you know, because that's kind. Thank you for calling me
the chillis ferger that you know, because you are.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Because I have no chill.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, I'm just like, I think, well, do you think
August virgos are different than September virgos.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know that many August Burgos. All my Virgo
friends are September Virgo September.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, you are the chillis one. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
I like to tease September virgos and be like they're
the real virgos in my head. But I'm always like,
but maybe not you, but say that they're like not
that hot and spicy.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Well, I'm on the cusp with Libra.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I'm okay, okay, Virgo.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I mean the first day of cuss But I feel
very Virgo. When I was younger, I hated being burger,
which is very Virgo of me.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Right, And that concludes the astrology section of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Oh my gosh, thank you for coming.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Of course, I feel like we need like a part
two because yeah, amazing everything else that you do.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yes, please, let's do it again.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Is there anything you want to promote or no?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I'm I am water coloring right now and writing a
kid's book.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh I love that. I love that. Where can people
find you on social media?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah? Oh yes, you can find me at Julia to
Marco on Instagram, TikTok. I don't have Twitter or x.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's the Marco by the way, Marco Carena.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
What's all the things?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's all the things?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah? And where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
You can find me at Maya in the Moment, m
A y A in the moment? Where were you scroll?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You can find me at the Curly v.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Show on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
They think things, Thank you so much?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Seven things, three things seven. Maybe you're seven three something?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Roll yeah, seven three something roll.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah you heard it here.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Guys should do it. It really works.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I'm going to do it tonight, but mine are going
to be like hairy Chess.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Don't foreskin fun.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, are out.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
As a gay map?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Does your community struggle with getting rid of the super frier?
The superficial part of finding a mate.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Oh I maybe for others, I think with me not
so much.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
To be honest, yeah, but it seems to me from
observing all my gay friends that there is a big.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Element I just want to be turned on when you
were like dicking each other down right.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
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Oh my god, is not settling for less than I deserved.
I was like, unfollow get engaged.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Uh so if you don't made those three criterias, you're
not getting a cyclub love. Wow. That was ger like
kicking you out. Having a man with money doesn't mean
that you're going to be happy. Having a man that
is ambitious does not mean you're going to be happy.
Having a man that's only just kind doesn't mean you're
gonna be happy. It's a combination of all the things.
And I've gotten in the pits of depression for like
two months. I couldn't get out of bed.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
My name is Curly and I'm Maaya. The Super Secret
Bestie called Podcast. Season four is here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And we're locked in. That means more juicy cheese man,
terrible love advice.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Evil spells to casta on your ex.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're not doing that this season.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Each episode will feature a special best siet and you're
not going to want to miss it.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
So what are you waiting for? Kid in here?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You get up here?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What are you doing down there? Get in the tree? Yeah?
Get in here?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Wow, my gosh, we have a pop star another pop
star podcast. We've been waiting to have you one, by
the way, and I'm glad we could do it in
the space where we can see you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Absolutely, we love you so much.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
What Yeah, it really means, I swear to god. Everyone
thinks it's dirty, but it's not. You know what it was.
It was Alex myself and do you know the peky
he's an artist from the Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
They stayed with you for a while.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah, we were you always forget that one day we
have like this beautiful day we hung out for a
walk together with the baby and I'm like, no, we
had a long, beautiful day.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I forget everything. I'm a goldfish. But anyways, we were
peeling potatoes in the kitchen and I'm like, may not
wait a minute, we went to the studio and fifteen
minutes later.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I love them, by the way.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The craziest thing was though, after, because we were this
years ago during the pandemic. Probably it was right off
the pandemic exactly. And I had a show last year
because I haven't been performing as much, and I performed
it for the first time ever. And and that trip,
I told my choreographer, Jenna ma Ronie's husband or soon
to be husband about this idea that I had for
music video was like, Okay, imagine that we're like potato people,
(02:44):
and we're like drug dealers that deal in potato. So
we're self canibalizing potato drug dealers. We're in the warehouse
and all these people are just packaging up these potato
drugs and one of them drinks want or like tastes
it and they go crazy and then everyone starts like
crazy and dancing getting super high.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I love your brain.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Your brain is like on a whole other like thank.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You, totally guess I'm getting into like puppetry, like I
love puppet you know. And you at your son's birthday
one year, you had what.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Are they called Bob Baker's Marine Theater.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Oh wow, I didn't that's who they were. I just
knew it.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I think I spent to the actual place where they were.
Oh my god, you have to go. What are you
guys doing? This is the best, Like, oh my god.
Oh they they have it every week. It's always seasonal too,
so they have like Christmas Spectacular all go for Halloween,
buy tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Okay, it's the best, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Partake on the green.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You know yes, but yes I don't, but I do.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, some weed and go.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Should we introduce our audience to Marco? Okay?
Speaker 4 (03:57):
So this is according to tech okay correct, and so
you can disagree. You can fight with us in real
time like that's not real, but this is just what okay.
Jerina Le Marco is a Dominican Brazilian singer, songwriter and
multidisciplinary artist known for her bold fusion of genres and
multi Lenko lyrics. Born in the Dominican Republic and raised
partly in Montreal, she now lives in Brazil.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
In Brazil, wait or is this like.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
The She now lives in La creating music that blends pop, electronic,
hip hop, and traditional Latin rhythms. Her breakout moment came
from her song which is Figured in Broad which was
featured in Broad City, and her work has appeared in Euphoria,
(04:45):
Fast and the Furious Nine and Sing Too.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Beyond her vibrant sounds and visuals, Jerina used.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Her platform to tackle themes like colorism, feminism, and social justice.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Weaving activism into her heart.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Her debut EP Markreala The Ultimate Markriala and her twenty
twenty three album Caribbean all inclusive luxury showcase your signature
mix of humor, cultural critique, and genre defying sound approved.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Okay it is.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
And I met you through Curly and we were working
at BuzzFeed's bettle Like at that time, and you had
a song called beatle Like, and then you had us
in the music videota.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
For back a little Bit More.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Too, because I have that as a song.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Well, no, because I discovered you online. I saw a
video that you did and I was very into like
my buheada, yeah, I still am, but you also were
into your own magic and your own way, and it
was appearing in your visuals.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I hit you up. We became immediate friends. We're like
what else?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
And then I was like, can we use one of
your songs for betle Like? And you were like yes,
but I'm getting ready to release another song that says
bettle like hold off. Yeah, and then that's when now
that happened.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, and then the music video we shot it at uh.
My friend Matty was the director and her mom is
Leah from Back to the Future the Future.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yes, mom, it was a calm on a call.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah. It was the craziest thing, right, because like all
of a sudden like back to the future. Mom is like, hey,
are you guys? Okay, you guys want the waters, Like.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Just like how's it going on? Yeah, like, oh no,
it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
And that was my first year in LA Wow. Yeah
I got to y sixteen from New York.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Wow, we have like a really running history together.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
No way from Phoenix Okay, yeah, oh.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Wow yeah because then you had us in that place.
I remember like we had to like act too and
at ye a thing. But what's also wild is like
in that short time, our lives really intertwined with one
another in really big ways, right, like even just introducing
me to Loyally who also came was on the show
like Empress of and we're all like this family where
(06:58):
we've known for so long. But also just like you
introducing us to Melissa, which.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Melissa, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
And it was really fun because I think it was
again a birthday party.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I don't know if it was your baby's birth birthday
parties or birthday party's birth baby's birthday parties or dinners
in my house.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There was something yeah, because you.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
Always have like the best people around you at these parties.
Like so we go in and I remember we were
shooting a video. By the way, it's like just a
little bit more of a story. I had just gone sober,
was sober for maybe like a year. I had gained
forty pounds, and we were making this video about losing weight,
but like weight loss fitness, we're looking for a trainer,
(07:39):
but specifically Latina is what we really wanted. And we
were looking around and we didn't find anything. We get
to your place and we meet Melissa, who's like, I
just got here, like from New York.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Melissa came to my house a month prior, and I
feel so bad, but I didn't have a spare room,
but I had my garage and I made a bed
for her there because she she was like, oh, waiting
tables and she has a she had a small child then,
and she's like, you're not gonna believe this, But Kim
Kardashian contacted way through Instagram and she flew me out
here to interview to be her trainer.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So her life fully.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
And so I mean that's who Melissa is for those
who don't know she. I don't know if she still
trains Kim kids, I don't know. I don't think, but
she's doing her own thing. Now she like has her
own programs and I think clothing line and like.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Something.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
At the time she was she way Melissa in cases
is all wrong, and we just got this is what
chief my brain.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm so proud of her.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
But yeah, that that was like a really amazing time
that we got to meet her. We had her in
the video, and she changed our lives. We got really snatched.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I actually that's where I developed my
gym habits too, was because of that one meeting, because
I just like I wasn't a gym I never was
a gym person. I didn't believe that I could access
fitness for myself. It felt very hetero sis.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Ill to me.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
And I think meeting her and her giving that to me,
like I've continued it on like six years later, not
as intensely.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
As like, I mean, Melissa is a beast, she is
an athlete.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I was fucking looking fucking celary sticks out there. I
was not.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But now it's twenty twenty five, you know, and you
are married, right, you have a beautiful baby, and you
are figuring on if you're going to stay in the
dr or yeah. Still, I mean you live close to me,
and we just like see you as this person who's
like so successful. We're so proud of your success, and
(09:42):
it seems, well, I don't I feel I don't want
to use the word perfect because nothing's.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Perfect, right, definitely not.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
But like as a woman like you, when they say
like you can't have it all, it feels like you
kind of have it all.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, you have like the career, you have, the
looks in the brain, you're the beautiful family, you found love,
you have this beautiful, beautiful angel baby. And I even
wrote in my notes that I was like, you even
have Pongo, who was a grumpy dog in Lahole. I
like literally grumpy dog. I love him always, but now
(10:15):
you see videos of him, he's like living his best
Siva life.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, I just want to know what was the exact
spell that you cast?
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yeah, where the.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Spell is not settling for less than I deserve?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Virgo Also virgo, by the way.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
I think like coming at the gig serving kunt is
the key to fighting love. Yeah, I mean it. Like
so if I really think about like my my trajectory
with men in my life, obviously teenagers teenage years are crazy,
but actually now that I think about it. I just
saw two of my ex boyfriends back in dr and
(10:53):
they're lovely men. I think I had a good picker,
and I think the reason why I had a good
picker is because my father, although he's a wonderful man
in many ways, is such a disaster as far as
a partner that I think I may like a vow
to myself when I was really young that I was
going to find the complete opposite. Oh wow, So I
tend to feel grossed out by alpha, domineering men. I
(11:16):
don't like people who are unkind, and that's everyone, but
especially my partner. I like sensitive men. I like I
like men that are sensitive and have a feminine side
that's very healthy and developed. I don't mind being I
don't mind being in a in a dynamic where my
(11:36):
partner is not like manly in the in the in
the conventional sense of the word, like tough. I like
a man that can be both, and Alex can do that.
I love that about him. He's like loose ass hips
can cook a dinner, can do so many him and
you can also build a house.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Yes, we literally like how to what we were joking about.
We were like cracking up because you have. We were like,
he had to build a fucking house for you, a
fucking sofa.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
He like put a creak in the living room or something. Shit.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
There was ferries hanging. We were like very He was
so on top of it and we were just like
cracking up. We were all together at your house. I
think it was like, girl, let him take a seat,
give him a glass of water.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
What did you mean.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
We met at a recording session that went terribly bad.
He had been working for many years with a very
famous recording producer named Daniel Lenois, who did all of
like Joshua Tree YouTube albums, all of YouTube's career, and
Brian you know, many other people, and so he was
a very domineering figure and Alex was working with him
for many, many years. And that particular relationship was about
(12:47):
music that is played live. So when you record live,
it's literally just recording live and you're adjusting as people
are playing. But when you record pop music, it's very different.
You're singing to a microphone, you have some lyrics in
front of you, it's take after take, and he had
never done that. So our first session was the bumpiest,
(13:08):
most weird, like recording session because it's super rapid fire,
like you're like gonna sing three lines and then gonna
start over again, or are you're gonna stack vocals? And
he did not know how to do it, but he
was so cute and he spoke Spanish all of a sudden.
Because people who don't know Alex, he's very white. He's
like a redhead with like green eyes and fuel from Venezuela. Butman,
(13:34):
oh yeah they went to cool school together.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, We've been talking on the text on Instagram and
I never met direction, but Alex knows her so well.
But anyways, I just was kind of smin with him
at that moment and I never saw him again for
four years.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Wow, so you didn't keep in contact yet and follow
each other.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
He fell into their on Instagram, but that was it.
And then four years later I saw that he had
a girlfriend and that he had engaged. So I was
like and follow was like, he had engaged.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I love this story.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And so a year after his engagement, I get a
text from him. He's like, Derina, Hi is Alex you
remember me? And I'm like, oh, yeah, how are you weird? Also?
Why are you calling me? So he calls people oh yeah, yeah,
and he was asking me. He was asking me if
I come down to Miami often because I came from
Miami when I moved to LA, So he thought I
(14:28):
was from Miami because he was opening this like project
that to do with music and and helping local scenes
grow who are underprivileged, really cool project. And I'm like,
I'm sorry, I don't I don't know anyone in Miami out.
I don't really from there, and he's like okay, and
then he started texting me more and more, and then
after like the fourth of fifth text, I just came
(14:48):
out with it. I was like, are you flirting with me? Alex?
Like what is this? I don't I don't want to
beat around the bush here, yes, like I don't live
with me or what I don't want to do. I
don't want to I don't have time for some like banter. Yeah,
like either asked me out or don't.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, what are the kids saying? Jerina coated so yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
So he was like he said some dumb ship like uh,
isn't life but a mere flirtation. So I was just like,
you know what, I'm gonna pretend even say that. And
I'm gonna say, yes, you are flirting with me. He's like, okay,
and then he came to l A. We went on
a date, and then I went down to Miami for
nine months. We did that back and forth until the
pandemic hit. And then the pandemic hit and he came
to say moving with in l A. And I was
(15:37):
pregnant within a month.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
I remember that, Like it was so clear because I
actually remember when I was trying to help you in
your dating life, and I also was like, you should
try dating.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Someone, so you know what I mean, Wait, I know
who you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I mean, if I'm okay to state, yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
Go, sweetheart, we want to hooka day, which is the
most Dominican thing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I recently. He's he saw me that I moved to
d R and he's like, what's it like there thinking
about it?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Yeah. I mean he's been talking about living there forever.
He loves it there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
But it's so funny because I remember that that you
kind of were in, like in the scene in the
game of like.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Looking for Love, and then this guy.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Came out of nowhere and I had sworn white man,
like I'm never dating white guy ever again, and I
didn't because he's Latino but he is white.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I think I feel like I used to make fun
of you about that too, like me, yeah you did.
Oh yeah, we always like I'm like, oh, I guy,
I mean, look, I'm not gonna yeck young, But like
I remember at the time, Well, how.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Did you know like that? I guess that's the big
question that we have when we talk about love. How
did you know he was the one?
Speaker 1 (17:13):
I just we aligned culturally in so many ways, like
we're I feel like we all have a simile experience
where we're Latinos, but we're also American. That is an
important thing. Also, him and I have lived in many
countries and feel kind of countryless, and that also is
a thing that really bonded us. The backgrounds of an
(17:35):
Isuelans and how Venezuelans live is very similar to Dominicans.
We're like cousins that get along. Unlike you know how
people who are neighboring, they likes of neighboring, always beef.
Venezuelansia are like, oh my god, I love you, I
love you.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I just love each other.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, and so we understood so many so much about
each other. On so many cultural levels, and I never
really went for that because when you grew up in
line of my ka, you know, you realize that a
lot of men can be very machista and you kind
of swear them off. So I had my like gringo
era where I was like Emily dating feminists men, which
(18:10):
meant white men ment feminists.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yea interesting, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Like not all but way more than a lot of
Latino men. Yes, okay, And so you know, within that,
I also realized that it's not just about you know
those things, but also but what you share in common.
And for some people you don't have to have that
as a partner. But I realized that it was important
(18:35):
for me to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Have someone we know when will we know when we
meet the person like that.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I have this method that someone taught me.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I have told you this beforethod.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
So it's seven things. Seven things that if you were
to make your perfect man or woman or or they them,
what would you you know, write out as a descriptor
not physical I'm talking about personality, right, So like let's
say a family man, kind person hot to you, to you, okay,
(19:08):
successful fit or likes to work out, name a couple
more that you that you guys like tall, Well, that's
not a personality.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Traits That personality sure versatile.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Kind Okay, So out of those seven things, if you
write this down, sit down and really think about the
seven things that you really want in a person to love.
Write these seven things down, and then you can only
have three. Those three things are the non negotiables. Everything else.
Everything else is gravy. Everything else is extra, and you
(19:48):
are a lucky person. But if you have those three things,
then that's the thing that opens the door to exploring
if you guys can be together.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
My jokes.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Takes it in the shit, but really, and it really
does kind of narrow down what is important to you,
especially now in your life, because what if you would
have made this list when you were twenty, it would
be very different than now, right one hundred And you
start realizing, if you're learning through the game of life,
if you're actually paying attention, that things that you think
(20:21):
matter don't anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
And the thing that I like to do as a
visualizer for my friends when I talk about this is
that imagine if your heart and your attention is a club,
and it's called club Love. My heart and your attention
to someone his club life, right, And there's this bouncer
outside of a big, old, burly bouncer. Let's call him something.
Why don't you call him what? Some Thiago and what's
(20:44):
your bouncer's name? Oh shit, Gertrude, Great Gertrude. She sounds
like she has a mustache. I love her already.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Okay, So Gertrude and San Thiago have a list, and
the list is the seven things and then the top
three are the things that are there that are non
ego to get inside of the club. So if you
don't meet those three carteriers, you're not getting a side
club love. Wow. So that was like kicking you out?
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah yeah wow.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Can I really helped me solidify?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I love that.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Can I give you one of my problems? Yes, which
is not a humble brag, but it's true. I'm very
easy to get along with. Like I'm super easy.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Are you people? Pleaser?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
I ish at tendencies, but I'm also just like I'm
just down to clown, you know what I mean, Like
I'm just chilling. So like when I meet people, Oh,
it's gonna sound really fucked up, but a lot of
people are like I had a great time, and I'm
kind of like, well, yeah, I'm really easy to hang with,
Like so it's hard for me to be like my
top ones actually on the top of my head would
be like kind right, like how do they treat people
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that are.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Might be serving on us? Are they ambitious?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
And are they like do they have good do they
maybe not drink? And they're really big with family time
maybe like you know, outside of the gay scene or whatever.
But I find that, like I will meet a lot
of people like that, and we do have so Like
there's a book called fuck Love, and there's a section
of it that says like if you know that you're
charming and you know that you're like a fun person,
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turn it down, oh, because.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Like you could be just charming them versus showing up
as like it's like the pr version of you kind
of like yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Like just like tone it down. Basically.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I'm so surprised.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
I mean, I mean that's what I was like that
because I want to show up authentically, like that's just
who I personality.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
I know.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
It's like I'm sorry, it's like personalities. It's like having
spiritual apps. You're saying like like, well we're not going
to show our apps because we're like exactly.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
So I have the issue where I have and then
probably burning myself here. But I have really good first dates.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
I loved let me say this, people fall in love
with him.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Of course, and I'm honored and I love that and
it's and it's kind. But I'm like, how do I
get to decipher like where I'm at, like, because I'm
kind of like ship like this, yeah, you technically have
other criteria, like off the top of your head, like
what do you think what advice would you give me
to be like okay, we'll add this or this is
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how you can like decipher people because I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know, right, well, let me think. So when I
met Alex, I was thirty four. I'm turning forty next
week or two weeks from now. That's not crazy, why yeah, yeah, yeah,
So at that time in my life, I knew what
I wanted. I wanted a husband. I wanted to find
my life partner. Fucking period. I don't want to.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Deal with that.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I don't want to deal with bullshit. The dates that
I've had recently were so depressing. I was just like, no, okay,
so I already had that in mind, and I made
that list for myself and I basically basically said to
myself that if I'm serious about this, I have to
do this as a job. This is a job. Finding
your partner is a job. It is true. I think
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it's seriously and you can't bullshit yourself into thinking, well,
he doesn't he has this thing about him and no,
you have to be incredibly sharp and objective about it.
And it kind of takes away the romance from it
a little bit. But I don't give a ship Honestly,
I don't care. Like when I met him and I
got to understand who he was, I knew right there
and then all right, this is the math for me. Yeah,
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these are the criterias and and the and the shortcomings
that you had, because of course all of us have shortcomings.
I was willing to work with and nurture to help blossom,
and he is blossoming because of that.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Now, say with me, I was going to say that.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
I have anger issues. I instead of being sad, I
get angry.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Okay, and Alex has I've seen that before?
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Have you seen that before? It's my way of dealing.
It feels so much better to be angry than to
be sad when you have an issue.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
I'm the opposite.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Really, I used to be the opposite and then I
switched one day. Oh wow, Yeah, it's addictive because it's
like powerful, You're like that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
People don't take me seriously when I'm angry. Oh really yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I No, I don't have Taurus rising and Sagittarius moon.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Oh that's crazy. We just had another tourus with the
Sagittarius place.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
So anyways, when Alex and I were dating, we were
in like Key West on the romantic vacation together and
we were in the hot tub and he told me
in the hot tub while we were making out and
like kind of like chilling after making up. It's like, so,
I want to tell you something and I'm like yes.
He's like, I'm just not ready for a relationship right now.
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I've broken up with that fiance a year. He's like,
I'm working on this project and I just don't know
if I can, if I can do it all because
you're in l A and I'm here and like, I
just want, I want, I want to treat you the
way you should be treated. But like, might mom choose
that moment? Because because boys.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Are idiots really sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Also like do it the next day after we slept together, you.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Know, boys or idiots before you leave.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, like let me cry on the plane. No, Like
we're drunk in a hot one of gorgeous like sweet
at this like the Mermaid Inn hotel. Wow, you used
to be a whorehouse. Really really fun story. But anyways,
and at that moment, my heart sank and I and
I took a deep breath and I was like, in
my brain, I was like, all right, done, We're done.
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Let's have a good time tonight. So I was like,
I understand. And we had the best sex I think
we've ever had, and and then I was just like, okay,
that's it. In my in my own spirit in mind,
I was like, Jerina, you don't have a time to waste. Yes,
he's great, but this is not time for him, and
this is not time for you. Move the on. And
(26:40):
I did it like that. And this is after like
six months of dating. I don't know what happened, but
a couple of days later, after I got back from La,
he started texting me more and more, and all of
a sudden, it was like that conversation had never happened.
You know, and I maybe, and then a while later
(27:04):
I try to break up with him because the back
and forth drive me crazy, and I was just like,
you know what, I don't. I don't want to do
this anymore. I feel anxiety. If you don't call me
within a certain time, I feel weird. I don't I'm
not the kind of girl. And that also was like
he was like, no, let's not do that, please, and
then we finally got together. Here we stay together. But
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the whole point is that I don't think it's a
clear cut line. I think that it is a matter
of understanding what it is and you want truly and
not the superficial parts of what you think you want.
Having a man with money doesn't mean that you're going
to be happy. Having a man that is ambitious does
not mean you're going to be happy. Having a man
that's only just kind doesn't mean you're going to be happy.
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It's a combination of all the things and the things
that are balanced within that, and also understanding that these
things also can happen within your lifetime together. So many
girls I go after like rich guys and that's what
they want, and it's or like guys who are successful
or have some kind of cloud and like I don't.
I much rather build something.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's how I am too.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
It also sounds like you were really trusting of timing. Yeah,
like whether you made you had the anxiety, which also
is interesting too because can both exist at the same time.
Can something make you anxious, but you also kind of
are trusting it in a.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Way that I mean, my anxiety was telling me this
situation like long distance is not going to work, and
it wasn't going to it was going to crash and burn.
It wasn't the pandemic. We would have either I would
have had to move to Miami, which I did not
want to do, or he would have to move here,
which I would have been hardworking for him because he
had this multi million dollar project that he was running
for someone. So you know, it was just divine timing.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I think so much of life.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
As luck, divine timing and being able.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
To observe that it's the.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Bright person, yes, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Clearing out the concepts of what you think love is too.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
I think that I have I am very okay with
understanding that concepts of love is not the Disney aspects
of it at all. It's like you are. There's this
philosopher he owns like school of Life. He's amazing. He's
like he has a talk called why you will Inevitably
Marry the wrong person, But it talks about how it's
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two damaged people coming together and trying to be perfect
one another, trying to be something that they're not, versus
if you show up authentically and you show up with
who you are and give each other the grace kind
of like what you just said in terms of being
like there he had his fortcomings and I helped him
and he did the same for me. It's kind of
(29:40):
like you're just blame to share. There's progress to share
as well. But I think my issue is that I
am and I ask myself because it's is it rooted
in trauma? Is it rooted in like the nervous system.
What part of me is getting like excited and activated?
And I think that's an important question to ask a
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lot of people because I think that people think that
if their nervous system or part of them isn't activated,
it's not a thing. So like, you know, I know
people who think that love is when somebody will do
anything for you. I know people that for me, still
use the word unconditional love, and I actually don't believe
that that there's story.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I think unconditional love is reserved for children. And even
that's a certain degree too.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
There's some kind I love that I love that.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Yeah, No, there are conditions with love, and one of
them is respect and and a lot of empathy and
kindness words to partner, and a lot of patience.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
So even like behind the scenes that now you live
like you know, like I said that, you had this
really beautiful life. If you're doing what you love, you're
still making beautiful music. You have this wonderful partner who
we all love.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Like even if.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Fashion is like honey, I I style him.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
That's what I was going to go too, and feels
like he feels like family.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
He is wonderful.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
There we go. The little crack in.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
The you know, we had a hard time this year.
Like I'll give you an example. The fires happened. Alex
and I went Tuesday in Joshua Trader friend's house for
a while, and then all the reports were coming that
the air was really bad. I have bad asthma. My
son also has kind of crappy lungs and we wanted
to get out of the country and go to DR
for like three months to get out of the air,
(31:42):
and like, you know, just it feel crazy right that time,
were just and their index was terrible. So when we
got to d R and I'm between DR and LA.
I come back every so often, and we're still buying
our house and plan I'm living here, but we're taking
this year to be in DR and my son is
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very Spanish, so that's really cool.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
When I got there, I had a really tough time
because it was so unexpected. We had all these plans
this year. Alex had just finished building his recording studio
for at most immersive uh mixing for movies and spend
a lot of money on that. We had just finished
decorating our house and renovating the kitchen and all that stuff,
and all of a sudden we're like in Dominica Republic
(32:28):
and the beach town and the of course, even though
it's beautiful, I never expected to live there. And like
you know how I am, Like my friends are everywhere
with me, and my house full of people always and
I'm always cooking, and it's you know, I'm very much
a community person and now we're in this beautiful house
on a hill or look in the ocean, and I
know no one, and I'm also like pushing forty, and
(32:49):
I don't want to make new friends because the best
you know that I know that I don't.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
But that's kind of yeah, by the way, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then besides that, the last time I was living
in DR, I was a teenager and I felt trapped
there and I didn't have any money, and I escaped
the island like just on a miracle, and I ended
up in New York and I waited tables for ten years.
I really crawled my way out of DR. I really
really did. I even married got married and I was twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, so you.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Know, my boyfriend and I got married so I could
say in the country and like it was a whole thing.
And we were married for many years and he is
my first husband and I love him to death. And anyways,
always to say is that I really sacrificed a lot
to leave DR. And when I got to DR, my
body felt like I was again a teenager, trapped in
this island that I couldn't leave, and I got in
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the pits of depression for like two months, I couldn't
get out of bed because you know, so much of
la is our community, and how we get work, how
we get projects, is because we see each other and
we think of each other, and then all of a sudden,
you're working, and my identity is so tied into that.
And so for the last you know, some months back,
I was really depressed, and not just that, but I
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was really angry, and I was angry, and I was
telling Alex how angry it was, and he was really
stressed out because he was trying to keep everything together
and I fell apart. This is these are the moments
where you see what your marriage is made of. And
he was incredibly patient with me. He let me sleep,
he let me cry, He made sure that had everything
(34:26):
I needed. He would push back when I was being
a cunt, because I'm sure I was. He called his
friends to talk about it because I was being very
difficult at the time, and we came out the other
end way stronger. So I think like, in terms of
who you want as a partner, it really is someone
that knows how to weather the difficult times. Because I
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had the best year of my life financially and career
wise in twenty twenty three, and it all came tumbling
down the industry like totally collapsed. I know that you
guys experienced the sink where I work in making music
for films and TV shows and things like that. Down Yeah,
just gone like that.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
I lost sixty percent of my income that year, like
so much of my money just gone, like just like
you know, virgo me.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I save a lot. So I was okay and I
can navigate.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
But it was like crazy when the faucet turns off.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Yeah yeah, and you know and you think that, like
what did I do? You know, it reminded me. You know,
I got like a full time job.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
I was working at another establishment and I would.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Walk there literally told me.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Yeah, oh well that's different before. This is a different thing.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
But I was there and I, you know, had like
this job that was like not anything. I learned a lot,
but it wasn't necessarily what I wanted to do. And
I would have people coming in and being like what
are you doing here? Why are you here? And I
was like, oh, well I need a job too. I
have to work too, And I had you know, people
being like.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I paid to watch you talk before, right, now you're
Now you're here, and I'm like, oh that there's a
part of you that feels like, yeah, it's humbling, but
there's a part of you that goes like how did
I get here? Like where did I go? Did something
go wrong somewhere? And so it reminds me of you
waking up in the dr and being kind of like, wait,
I crawled out of here, like I.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
What am I? And I'm back here. In my career
is like going through a moment and like I don't
have so my day to day is mine through Friday.
I go to a recording session pretty much every day
and I write songs and I record songs. So now
that was gone, wow, you know, like my routines. But yeah,
all that to say is that you want someone without
(36:40):
when you're down, knows how to help you. And also
this is through therapy. Alex and I have been to
therapy this last six years on and off, and I've
talked to him about what I need when I am
in distress. Like we have this thing where if I'm
complaining about something or I'm angry about something or upset
about something, he always asks me, do you want comfort
or solutions?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah? I love that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, we had a fight this morning, fund enough because
he didn't ask me that and he went to solution
and it was about my mom. My mom and I
I love her, we have a difficult relationship. I know,
like she's amazing and I love her, but we have
a difficult relationship at times. And and she said, I
don't know, she says something to me and I was
annoyed and I told about it. He's like just still,
(37:22):
you know, he's something that wasn't helpful. And we had
a fight about it, and then he went to have
breakfast by himself because I was like taking a shower
and I was like needed a break. He came down,
he apologized, and then that's something that we worked on
because Alex had a hard time apologizing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
really hard. And we went to there before that and
it really helped and he got it.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And it's a lot of like I think, one of
the things with me that I learned being in a
toxic relationship and really wanting it to work is just
the things of like it's not me versus you, it's
us versus the problem. Yeah, I really want to get
past this. And one of the things that I was.
We were talking about it, but I was like, I
have this thing where like when I tell you that
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I love you and that you're my family, you're.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Like you're in it.
Speaker 4 (38:09):
If we fight, I kind of don't take them seriously
if I'm honestly, because I'm like, I'll talk.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
To you later, like you already know I love you,
and which some people don't.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
Like because that makes people feel really it feels dismissed
for a lot of people. But I'm just kind of
like I just already know that I'm gonna be like fine,
So I work We're gonna be fine. So I work
on like a lot of different tactics of like how
people can communicate in terms of like what we can
do in real time. So like, another thing that I
learned was the story I'm telling myself. So like the
(38:38):
story and Brene Brown said it. I don't know Ifnee
Brown's still cool, but Berne Brown was saying, like, uh,
the story I'm telling myself is that when you show
up late, you don't care about my time because I
feel like you're never late when you hang out with
your friends. Or the story I'm telling myself is that
when I was drowning in the pool and you didn't
jump in immediately, that you actually don't care about me
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as I would have jumped in for you. So it's
like different like solutions that I feel like help in relationships.
And the other thing. The last thing too, that I've
kind of learned in my thing is that you can
people can be in long term relationships for as long
as they want to be. You can be in it
for twenty five years, thirty years, forty years. It's not
always healthy, But what I find is that there is
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just a dedication to the unit. And I think that
when there's like a blind dedication to the unit, sometimes toxic,
sometimes for better or for worse. Like you're kind of
just like we're in the unit. This is we are
the genies of this lamp and here we will stay.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Yeah, and we have a kid. It guess even further
more complicated.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
He's the lamp.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
If you are a team and you have this baby.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Beautiful baby by the way, sorry beautiful baby.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Yes, so this is hot takes. Oh so you're going
to pick something out of here and give us your
hot take?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay a dating ick be late, okay, don't be fucking late.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Me too same, what were like the eggs that were.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Just I know, splitting the fucking bill? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (40:11):
Okay wait talk about he too situation or or if
someone invited me out like.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
A like can't I ask a problematic question to the
girlies the whole like my.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Face is right, just as an outsider of heterero normativity.
So there's some things that I get, like, oh, that's
interesting because me with a gay dude, it's very easy,
like well we sway, it's different whoever asked pays for who?
But in terms of like if a man doesn't pay
on the first day and does ask the split, is
that like a big folk.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I hate it. I hate it here get it's like.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
The the last time that happened to me was like
five years ago, and he was like, oh he was
a PA on a show and he was like, I
have a PA budget. I can't afford to like split
the or to pay for you, like can we swit
the But it was like the way that he said
it that I was.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Kind of like, what a lady boner killer.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
And we are the cheesecake factory.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh god.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
But I was like I wasn't gonna be like what
you puur Like.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah, I get that, but maybe if you're poor, if
right now you're not gonna have the money, make dinner,
do something else.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
We could totally do something that has nothing to.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Do with it.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Yeah, that's how it's gonna be. But like, at least
for the first time you think that.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
It adds like something in your head, because I know
that for me, like part of what I look for
me personally as a gay man, what I look for
another partner is like can we provide?
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Like can we provide for each other? Are we going
to build together?
Speaker 4 (41:48):
And I think that maybe if I was assists female
or expecting somebody to pay for me, maybe I might
feel like this fool can't provide for me.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Well, it's not so much provide, it's more taken care of.
And also, this is a you invited me out, like
you asked me out. This is your responsibility. You me
to fill your shoes and that's a limus test. And
as to what you're like as a partner, Yeah, you know,
if you're not ready today because you don't have money,
that's fine, just don't go on dates.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
But are there some things sometimes I get kind of
like and of course, I always said I'm like the
alien from Lelo and Stitch that came in to study Mosquitos.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
I always feel like I'm here.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
Stating people, but like in a world where men will
be like camina and okay, because where does that line.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Just as much as women when a man is sick,
make them soup and give them kisses and make sure
that they're comfortable. We are supposed to be taking care
of each other as human beings, and the way that
sometimes men express themselves or women want them to express
themselves is by taking care of them just as much
as we take care of them.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Okay, okay, we take.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
Care of each other. Okay the door for me, I
will open the door for someone behind me too.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean, this thing about feminism and like the courtesy
of like chivalry to me is absolutely I think, like
I think American women have gone wrong with this telling
man not to have manners that way. That might seem
old fashioned because it plays into stereotypes. But again, what
I say is taking being taken care of feels good,
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whether it's coming from a man or a woman. If
it's coming from a woman, it's expected, But from a man, Oh,
it's chivalrous. No, we should expect to be. Well, you
literally opened the door. From when I was in New
York and I was in my twenties and I'm a
Latino woman and I was eating white dudes, I would
stand in front of the doors and look at the
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at the handle and be like, I don't know how
to open the door. Look at them, and they'd like,
it's not.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Because you're weak or you can't know. It's because like,
let's see, like it's a yes, it's not like something.
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Birds let's like peakock around and like and like charm
each other too. It's not so pragned.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think that's where things get
a little like stuck, where I'm just like, what is
the what is the line for y'all? Like even just
like back in the day for me, and I know
it's different, but like when a guy would grabd me
by the wrist and be the small of my wrist
and be like, hey, what's up? Like you know, I
would be like I like that. Of course that can
happen with y'all, like don't touch people, don't touch women,
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but you know, anyways, grab me by.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The wrist if you wait, I have one last thing
to say about love and finding the person.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
So when I met Alex, I was probably a one
hundred and forty something pounds. I'm four eleven way overweight
according to the bm MY Index, which by the way,
is bullshit because it's all based on men European ones. Anyways,
I wasn't my skinniest, I didn't feel my prettiest, and
I was so determined to lose weight so I can
find my man. That is the biggest load of crap
(44:51):
I have ever your physical appearance as far as like
being the determining factor to attract in the person and
that you're going to.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
Wait perfect, which is not.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
It is bullshit. I've never been loved the most in
my life at my heaviest, and when I got married,
I was postpartum and I was also my heaviest after
you know, being with us and here.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
He is and you literally have the most beautiful life.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Thank you. I feel very lucky. I really feel like
love and family is wealth. It's true.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Well, welcome to the astrology portion of the podcast. You
are a Virgo, you said, Sagittarius Moon.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yes, good Lord, that's why you get it done all
the time.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
I love me.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Well, when you're talking about like the sadness of sorry,
like the sadness of anger or anger versus sadness, I
feel like that has a lot to do, like with
your moon sign as well, because I feel like whenever
you have I have a moon sign, what is my
moon sign? Is aries a fire moon sign? When you
have a fire moon sign, it can go either way.
(46:02):
And I do you feel like your emotions as a
Sagittarius moon like reflect that?
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Yeah? How does it? How does it come out of you?
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I get really impulsive and reactive and really angry super fast,
and then it goes away and dies off, and I'm like,
I'm fine.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
No, it's different. I do.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Also very woman.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
It's also like it's different like depending on who I'm
talking to, is this bitch?
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I know? What's your What is your's?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Your birthday? Not not too much?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
No really?
Speaker 3 (46:46):
You know today that changed outfits? Sorry like a.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Happy birthday curly?
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yeah? Are you today? Eight?
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (46:57):
Yeah? Yeah burgoo double scorpio but pretty mellow?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
So your virgo?
Speaker 2 (47:01):
What is your right double scorpio?
Speaker 1 (47:02):
Holy shit?
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah? Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:08):
The amount of spells that I throw out when I'm
like fucking masturbating.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Oh we're saying my love.
Speaker 3 (47:12):
You are September Virgo.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, nineteenth. Okay, so you are twenty August.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Virgo twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah. Thank you for calling me the chilis ferg that
you know, because that's kind. Thank you for calling me
the chillis ferger that you know, because you are.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Because I have no chill.
Speaker 3 (47:24):
Yeah, I'm just like, I think, well, do you think
August virgos are different than September virgos.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
I don't know that many August Burgos. All my Virgo
friends are September Virgo September.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Yeah, you are the chillis one. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:34):
I like to tease September virgos and be like they're
the real virgos in my head. But I'm always like,
but maybe not you, but say that they're like not
that hot and spicy.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Well, I'm on the cusp with Libra.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
I'm okay, okay, Virgo.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
I mean the first day of cuss But I feel
very Virgo. When I was younger, I hated being burger,
which is very Virgo of me.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Right, And that concludes the astrology section of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
Oh my gosh, thank you for coming.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Of course, I feel like we need like a part
two because yeah, amazing everything else that you do.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yes, please, let's do it again.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Is there anything you want to promote or no?
Speaker 1 (48:12):
I'm I am water coloring right now and writing a
kid's book.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh I love that. I love that. Where can people
find you on social media?
Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah? Oh yes, you can find me at Julia to
Marco on Instagram, TikTok. I don't have Twitter or x.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's the Marco by the way, Marco Carena.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
What's all the things?
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's all the things?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah? And where can people find you?
Speaker 3 (48:34):
You can find me at Maya in the Moment, m
A y A in the moment? Where were you scroll?
Speaker 2 (48:40):
You can find me at the Curly v.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Show on Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
They think things, Thank you so much?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
Seven things, three things seven. Maybe you're seven three something?
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Roll yeah, seven three something roll.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah you heard it here.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Guys should do it. It really works.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I'm going to do it tonight, but mine are going
to be like hairy Chess.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
Don't foreskin fun.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
I have a question for you.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Yeah, are out.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
As a gay map?
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Does your community struggle with getting rid of the super frier?
The superficial part of finding a mate.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Oh I maybe for others, I think with me not
so much.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
To be honest, yeah, but it seems to me from
observing all my gay friends that there is a big.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Element I just want to be turned on when you
were like dicking each other down right.
Speaker 6 (49:32):
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Speaker 4 (49:44):
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