August 20, 2025 • 48 mins
This week we’re serving up the real chisme with Emmy-winning filmmaker Cristina Constantini (Mucho Mucho Amor, Tomorrow Was Beautiful). From Karol G’s global takeover to the lasting magic of Walter Mercado, Cristina joins us to spill stories, laughter, and a little bit of shade.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For the first one.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I had mentioned that we met Gotto before she got
into a certain relationship where we then we stopped talking
being this relationship.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Like there's this scene where Sally may or may Not
have been like sabotaging her friends, and I was like,
oh uh yeah, in.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Damaged anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
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So what are you waiting for?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Get in here?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Get in here? Is that a UFO?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Oh my gosh, it's landing right on our tree house
this rocket ship.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Whoa, that door is opening really big?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's Christina Gunstantini.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We just called you an astronaut.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you all the way from out to space aka
the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, basically basically the space.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So excited to have you here. Thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Welcome to another episode of the Super Secret Bestie Club.
Podcast and welcome to the club house. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, I love your podcast. It's such an honor.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We are obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So we also wrote a little bio with you with
a robot by the name of che GC and so
this is what she had to say about you. Okay,
So today's guest is Christina Gunstantini, Emmy winning filmmaker, investigative
journalists which I did not know, and all around storytelling powerhouse.
(01:59):
She's the creative force behind hits like Science Fair which
me and my grandma, me and my bla are in
Humble Brag on Two Faces Ago though Sally, which is
about Sally.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I always keep.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Calling her Sally Read, but she's not Sally Ride.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Sally Ride, Yes, the first American woman a woman's Space,
which we'll get into. Cattle G's new documentary Tomorrow was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
But I heard her say in Spanish.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Did I say right in English?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You said you did? It's It's yeah, Tomorrow was beautiful
in English and Nana in Spanish in.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Spanish, and then document documentaries that had Wow, Sun Dance,
Netflix and viewers around the world. I didn't notice, but
before making films you were uncovering big stories as a
journalist reporting on immigration opioids.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I made a Fentanyel documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That actually yeah, well we can get into it. I
needed an escape, so I did my first happy documentary, Wow,
and that science fair and then I've continued doing happy documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And then it says you're based in La now you
co lead mac Media. Yes, you wrap your Midwestern Latina roots.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I do. And uh, you have a very cute pud
named Period.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, that's a baby named Penny and a baby.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It sounds like a cartoon. Everything feels like a husband
and a very cute husband named Alfie.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I couldn't find your start sign though.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh I'm a libra.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.
I was like, but what is her star sign?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And it was like, its importantly your first breaking news.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, the world's like now it might not be investigated
right now, the world's strongest AI.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I was like, oh, so my husband's a libra too,
And I overheard Walter on a hot Mike talking shit
about our compatibility chart when she was like he was like,
oh she's married to a male libra. Very sad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh my god, that's how we actually met, by the way,
is because you so graciously allowed me and my grandmother
through another beautiful connection we met and do you let
us be in this documentary?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You you graced us with your present.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh my god, I just was and it's really beautiful
because till this, my grandma was obsessed with Christina. By
the way, I know her, she loves you, like she
was just like in awe of Christina and her outfit
and the way that she dressed in her fashion, which
you have beautiful fashion, always you look amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But my grandma was like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And she kept actually was fixated on Christina's parents, and
she kept being like, can I have them?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Though it was so.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Fun, I mean, just like such a special, like chaotically
beautiful spirit.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But like my grandmother, you know, with dementia and Alzheimers,
forgot a lot of things, but she always remembered Christina
and her band.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That she was own pants by because I was I
think I did. I think I sent her a pair, yeah,
but it was very late, it was overdue. And I
remember like every time I'd see you, she keeps up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was just to like I think they were a
little high waisted, you were like, yeah, they had you
could tie.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, it was like kind of like that Korean feudal shape.
It was like high waisted pleated pants that like, yeah
they were they were.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
She loved it, and so we have this really beautiful
connection because now when people watch it, or if anybody
who watches documentary, there we are.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You know, you've immortalized us.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You guys, I was so obsessed with all of your
social media and all of your Instagram. And I love Gladys'
sexuality too. That was very like She's like, I loved
how comfortable you guys were talking about that. Yeah, so
it was an obvious fit. We needed something. We needed
somebody in the doc to like explain what Walter meant
to pop culture, and that little like snippet of the
(06:09):
film is like everybody's favorite snippet. People would always be like,
could you just bring that way to the front and.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Open with that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So it's yeah, thank you for gracing us.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Thank you for having me. But how you mentioned that
you did sad documentaries first.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And then yeah, so I was an investigative journalist covering
mostly immigration and detention centers, which feels very relevant right now.
And then I did a documentary about fentanyl, and I
did documentaries about sex trafficking. I mean really sad, dark stuff,
and it was just got really exhausting. It was very fulfilling. Yeah,
but I basically was I went to Univision's head, Isaac
(06:47):
Lee at that point, and Fusion was this like kind
of crazy network where anyone would try anything. Once I
was six and I was like, would you pay for
me to make a feature documentary in English for your
Spanish language network about the International high School Science Fair?
And Isaac, who would try any crazy idea, was like, sure,
(07:09):
why not, let's do it. So on the side of
being on the side, I was like being paid as
an investigative journalist, and on the side they let me
make Science Fair, which ended up like going to Sundance
and you know, being acquired by National Geographic and that
kind of changed my life and allowed me to actually
be a professional documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But it was kind of this crazy once off. I
thought it was going to be this escape from the
dark journalism, and I realized that film was about like
gender scientists, immigrants, and I was like, I reached so
many more people with that film than I did, and
so it was kind of a trojan horse for the
things I really cared about and I then do it. Yeah,
And after the success of Science Fair, I was like,
(07:50):
what else from my childhood brought me a lot of joy?
That was interesting? And I was like, well, Dad, oh wow,
and like, you know, my first day, my first interactions
with like the idea of like genders being more complicated
or he just you know, well, I don't have to
explain Walter to you guys. But so this came from
the like what brings me joy but actually is about
something way more important. Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean I really believe that you brought Walter back
into the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh, I think so, which is.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Wild because like he's such a secret. He's like, if
you know, you know about our culture, and it always
felt like there's certain things about our culture that if
you know about it, you're a real one, You're authentic.
But you made him accessible to the masses, and it
was It's one of Netflix's like most successful documentaries, right yeah, in.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The Latino space, definitely, And as Koreem, my co director,
would say, we brought him to a wider and a
wider audience.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah. And it humanized him too.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
A lot, and I feel like it it was it's
just so crazy. Like when he died was on Day
of the Dead. Yeah, I was in Mexico at the
time celebrating Daila Mortals and I was I was like together,
it was it was in twenty nineteen, yes, but I
was like, Wow, for him to cross over and at
(09:11):
a time when the veil is already super thin, right,
like that is just so powerful.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I know, I mean he he also does. It was
the day after we submitted our cut to Sundance, so
he passed away and I feel like at a certain
level he knew his like his job was done. We
had like finished the edit and he I don't know.
All the timing of all of it was crazy. And
then a few weeks later we found out we got
into Sundance, and then we premiered there and we had Yeah,
(09:38):
it was it was a really it was a really
magical experience to be able to to film with Walter,
to bring him to a different audience and to yeah,
celebrate him. And I mean, I think the film did
well because we all have that like deep memory of
him and lodged in our brains from when we were ten.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We need I mean, I remember, like Whoopi Goldberg, I
think the weekend that it came out, was talking about
on the View and she's like, I'm obsessed with this
documentary that came out over the weekend. I was like,
Oh my god, that's so cool. Like what would possess
somebody who didn't grow up with him to be like
scrolling through the countless titles on Netflix and stop at this,
(10:16):
you know, Mutomuto mood poster and invest space and time
watching and learning about this man and like it's clearly
just the magic of who he was. What did you
did you see like any differences in terms of like
who he was on camera and then who he was
off camera.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I gotta say he was the same person. He's like,
you know, just kind of like love embodied as a person.
He's like so sweet and gentle and kind, and like
that is who he is. I will say the version
that he created, he definitely created, as he says in
the film, a famous person inside of him, like he
had it there, but he created He understood as a
(10:55):
performer the power of cameras and angles and outfits, and
he knew that he had to dress up what he
was and some a more elaborate, more flamboyant costume. And
that was what he did. And and so you know,
even I think his house is a great metaphor for this.
He had a pretend bedroom that he would if he liked,
(11:19):
if like Univision came over for a tour or something,
he would be like, here is my bedroom. It was
like it was like a satin green. He had like
the biggest perfume collection in the whole world. This is
my bedroom. But then it actually in his house behind
this like secret siding mirror was his real bedroom where
(11:43):
that was still fabulous. It was still but it had
like pill bottles and like little a little more Linden.
That's kind of who Walter was too. It was like
both bedrooms were very fabulous. One was just like more
sparkly and more velvet and more perfume. The invent did
razzle dazzle, he really did.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He really old school Hollywood to me, just like look
at you, just like the art of knowing, like the
theater aspect of it, the smoke in the mirrors.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. And he's uh. He like was
trained as an actor and as a performer, and he
understood how he could like push the lines of like
masculinity and femininity, and what he was doing was so
brave at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, it really was. It really was.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I have this one quick memory of you guys coming
over and we were talking about all this stuff that
he had in his house, and I was like, oh,
I don't think I'm that bad, And I don't remember
who on your team like went like this and looked
around like.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Pete Alton, who shot the film. It's our cameraman who
dad is left?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, he said in a sweet way.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He was like, no, it's like this.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You're obsessed with trinkets, Like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, his house looks.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like a calmer now though, I think I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It looks what did I used to say it like a.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Church, Say it looks like a church or a museum.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like, yeah, like a museum.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's like maximalist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I mean, yeah, yeah, getting older and get rid of
that thing that.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Doesn't it's bring joy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But okay, so then now you like move on, you
do to like you go to the next one is
the that you did.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Was it Goddard that came first or they.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Both came basically at the same time, I'm like, you know,
an immigrants kid, so I'm like work Argentina. Yeah, and
my grandparents came over here super poor. They like stopped
school at age twelve so they could work and support
their families, that classic thing. But so I had these
two opportunities come at the same time, and you really
(13:46):
can only make one documentated time usually. But I was
like one of them is going to fall apart, you
know how this industry is like, there's no way two
documentaries are going to have the exact same timeline and
go at the same time. But then they did. So
they were like basically I finish Sally first and it
premiered at Sundance and then Carol was like released on
platform first. So but they were basically exact same time timeline.
(14:09):
So I was going touring the world with Carol and
then I was also like in this deep archival documentary
that's yes, they were so different. But I went to
NASA with Carol because she's obsessed with space, and I
was like this is so weird, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Crazy, But how like like, so you go to like
your on tour, you're on stage, and then you go
home and do more homework.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean basically I would I would, you know,
leave to shoot for a couple for like a week
for one film and then be at night answering emails
on the other film and then and it was hard.
I shouldn't turn that off, but it was. It was hard.
But I have the best husband in the world, so
that helps. And and you know, really good teams on
(14:57):
both is what makes it work. Like, you know, filmmaking
is just such a team sport that there were like
such good, brilliant people on each of those films who
were supporting and helping me get through it. But yeah,
I'm retired now, so well, yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Also, like it takes a lot of you have to
have great communication skills, right, how what's your secret sauce
to like getting people to talk about their lives or
making them feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think like being an empathetic person
is really feeling the feelings that knowing the person trusting
you off camera is so important to them then opening
up on camera like Tam for example, who's Sally's life
partner so that the story is, yeah, is about Sally
(15:50):
was closeted for twenty seven years and had this female
life partner, and so Tam is the main storyteller of
that film, and she and I just got very close
off camera and that really contributed to that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
H h.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, her vulnerability on camera. And then for Carol, I
think the same. You know, that was such a verte documentary.
That was so about like having her forget that you're there,
that that one verite cinema. Verite means just capturing life
as it as it unfolds naturally, So yeah, just kept
(16:45):
capturing the real that that was about really, you know,
if I was there being part of the crew, sorry,
and if I wasn't, Like, we had this incredible DP,
this camera woman named Luisa Conlin who just like became
part of that crew whenever she could. Whenever there was
like a oh they're getting in the golf cart, Luisa,
everybody would make sure Luisa got on with them or
(17:06):
whatever it was. And it was about really becoming a
fly on the wall and having them forget that you're
like have a camera in your hands that you're just kind.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Of yeah, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Because the Sally, I mean both of them. It's wild
because for the first one I had mentioned that we
met gotdo before she was already big, but she wasn't
like at this level now, right, And I was telling
you it was crazy because I think you had an
invited us to see screen. Yes, And then before you arrived,
I was telling somebody how I was like, yeah, like
(17:38):
she and I were kind of cool, but then she
got into a certain relationship where we then we stopped
talking during this relationship, and I was saying, how, it's
so interesting because I remember during that time, I don't
remember who came to BuzzFeed, but we were talking about
all the girls like uh, got oge, Becky g Cardi,
b like all these girls that were coming out at
(17:58):
the time. And somebody said to me, do you notice
they never go on tour because nobody would pay to
go see them. Nobody would pay to go and see
a show about them. I just got I remember that
this was what people were saying. Yeah, And people were saying,
like nobody, they just won't sell out. They can't sell
out by themselves.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, And so you're there, I am watching this documentary
and I'm watching it and I'm like, oh shit, like
she's not only did they talk about certain parts of
the relationship, but also just like you know the how
she just blew all that shit out of the water.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, you know, sixty two cities or whatever, like sold
out every single one. She yeah, set the record for
the most tickets sold in the most profitable tour for
a Latina ever. So it's it was crazy to like
realize there were so many records that she was breaking
every day. Yeah, that it was almost like hard for
the team to grasp that. They were like we were
(18:52):
filming something that would be historic or that could be historic.
It's wow, It's crazy what that woman's life was for
two years of just every everything was a hit, everything
was winning everything, and watching her grapple with that and
like live through it as a real person, Like she
couldn't go she wanted to, Like I remember she said
to me once, I wish I could just pause time
(19:14):
and I could like walk through every aisle of every
stadium and like take in the show from different angles.
But it can't. I can't process it all, Like my
life is moving too fast. There's too much happening that
I can't actually like synthesize. And they're also all those
her whole team was getting like three or four hours
of sleep at night at most like they often would
hardly sleep, so their brains were like so overloaded.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And then cut to twenty sixteen Curly and Gottle g
torquing on a wall.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, upside down, Oh my god, so fun.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
She hurt her foot and she was bleeding.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
She was wearing my really bad shoes, and we were like,
how do we get you? She was leaving, yeah, and
we couldn't find a band aid. I think Gadiel a
little bit finally found a band aid for her. And
then I love so much I miss that's the best.
And so then I was like, I'll carry you to
your car, and I just threw her on my back
and follow her. I carried her down like an elevator,
(20:10):
this giant building, through this like like it wasn't closed,
and I carried her all the way to her big
SUV and we just became friends for a long time.
Many times she was in LA she would be like
come to the show like, and she would have us
like backstage with her.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We would be like, what the And We've.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Interviewed a lot of celebrities, and I think the through
line that I see of their success and meet seeing
like they're going to be successful is they are so
willing to do whatever we wanted to. Yeah, because they
they're kind and they're humble, and they also know like
the power of the Internet, and like, you know, nobody
(20:48):
really wanted to I mean, people wanted to work with us,
but we had to build that up. So we matched
with these artists who also wanted to build and I,
you know, I was following them around with the camera
like filming everything, and she was down for everything, everything,
running all around, like and then you know, cut to
now where She's.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Was released last night.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But like comments online, a lot of comment say, like
we made the right person famous, and that always that
I completely agree, like that Carol is who you think
she is. She's you know she is.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When I was sitting with her, was like, who's this
guy you're hanging with? He's what's his name is? I'm
like he's kind of hot and she's like, oh, he's
very cute. She's like, I'm like, how old is She's
like he's young, He's never mind that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And then who knew would be for us?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I remember?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So then so now Sally's also it just came out. Yeah,
and Sally is also you know, it's interesting because sometimes
you think that you might not be uh interested in
a certain topic, right, You're like, I'm not reallyamiliar with
space or NASA, but I watched this and I was
like it was from the moment it starts like just
(22:08):
the footage of this old school like NASA, takeoff the
sounds that you added, and then it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It says like you're a film like Castine.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's really beautiful, but it's so cool, like there is
it's not only just a story of being an individual
who was queer and closeted. It's about girl power and
the girl power that extends actually beyond her as well.
Because and I had mentioned this to you, like I
was like ding you and I was like, there's a
(22:38):
mention of another astronaut by the name of Judy, right,
and she's the girl. She's like this like Hollywood gorgeous astronaut.
And the way that these women were talking at the
time was like they would be like what does it
feel like to be like a woman astinaut, like are
you just dumb? Questions like are you gonna get pregnant
in space? Like the Super Good, And they would be
(22:59):
like very direct and be like, don't ask me questions
like that. You don't ask him that, and or they
would be like there was a scene where Sally's like,
you can call me Sally.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Or you can call me doctor, like, don't call me.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Miss like very like, but I was what I was
mentioning was like Judy, like I had no idea it
almost by the way, it was almost jutying, like it's
sent to space, not Sally. Yeah, And so you're watching
this and you're like, oh my god, this could have
been a whole different time, and then should I because
it was spoiler.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So there's this.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Big like thing where a big event that people talk
about a lot when a spaceship blew up in the.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Sky what was it called?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And you you know, I was we were babies when
that happened, And so you don't really humanize it in
a lot of ways. But the film does a really
good job because Judy's on it, and you fall in
love with Judy and you're just like.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I was.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're rooting for your girl, and you're just like it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Girlhood, it's the it's the and and there's just it's
just such a beautiful, beautiful film, Oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's like, if you want to see a girl of power,
queer identity, people coming in terms of that identity, people
like the time women being told they can't do shit
and then throw it in space.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and you have Sally.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah. I mean I really I feel like the film.
One of the great privileges of being a documentary filmmakers.
You get to, like an archival filmmakers, You get to
live in another year for so so you know, I
felt like I lived in nineteen eighty three for two
years straight just making that film, and it has given
me so much hope, just to see how much things
have changed. That the way that they talk to these
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women was like they were just these bumbling idiots that
somehow like, isn't it funny that they're going to go
to space? And that was kind of the framing. Like
Tom Brokaw is interviewing Judy and he says to her, Hey,
do people say to you, hey, you're too cute to
be an astronaut? And he thinks that he's reaped presenting
like the Voice of America, you can tell and in
(25:04):
those moments, you're like, Wow, that would never happen anymore.
And thank God, and it gives me hope that things
can change, and they do change. And my mom was
my age when that happened and now and I have
a daughter, and if if that much can change in
our lifetime, that gives me a lot of help. But
it also reminds me. I think that like none of
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these rights were guaranteed, none of this equality was guaranteed,
and that we stand on the shoulders of these giants
and who fought for us, and we have to keep
fighting because these are not just like yeah, rights were
not just hand it over easily.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, And I think that the film does a really
good job but like showing that that like it, it
has changed so much, but exactly what you said, like
they had to push back and be very like sturdy,
like dig their heels or into the ground and be like, no,
we stand by this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
This is what we are.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And it's a lot of things that like you kind
of take for granted now because you just don't understand it, right,
but you're right, Like watching it, you were just like
everybody in the theater was like shocked at some of
the questions, like just like crazy crazy as a gay dude,
I did gay out I got a little hard for duty.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
She's so beautiful, she's fabulous dunning.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I like when they were like talking about when they
would try to sabotage each other.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, there was you know, like you wanted
them to be the perfect like feminist sisterhood. But what
I like about it is is that there's actually some complexity.
None of those women had ever worked with women before.
They had always been like the only woman in their class,
so they were used to this kind of like they
were used to dealing with men's shit, but they weren't
(26:48):
necessarily like they didn't have the sisterhood that I think
is now common in workplaces now where we are all
trying to like lift each other up and support each other,
not always but ideally. Wow, But so they where you know,
like there's this scene where Sally may or may not
have been like sabotaging her friend, who is also competing
(27:08):
to be the first by basically she's practicing on the
robotic arm, which is the thing that Sally's really good at,
and basically, if you're good at it, it might mean
that you're placed first on the very first light. And Sally,
as she's like going down the ladder out of the
simulator basically like breaks all the stur circuit breakers and
so the arm stops working, and Kathy Sullivan, one of
(27:30):
the other female astronauts, is trying is stuck, trying to
figure out what went wrong and kind of looking like
an idiot in front of the rest of the class.
And so it's unclear if Sally is like playing a
practical joke or if it's like, stay off my turf,
this is mine. But I love that Sally's complex. She's
super competitive, she's like any of us. She's like, she's flawed.
(27:52):
She's not the perfect feminist icon at all points that
you want her to be. Oh he's a real person.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, it like it's so good, so good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But I have also just the oneful opportunity of knowing
you and your family. Her husband is really cool. Aunt
in Korea, by the way, who's like super rich and
super amazing, and she just breaks all the rules of
being just a badass woman at you. I think I'll
be rushing my teeth randomly in the morning just thinking
about her, and like she has no idea who I am,
and I'm just thinking about.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Her so fast.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Auntie Young, She's like always wearing the coolest things. She's yeah,
young would be Young is a trip. Her dress. My
sister in law graduated from Yale and Young came from
Korea and she was wearing the tightest pleathant dress in
the whole world, and we had to like physically she
(28:47):
couldn't wear. So she was like we had to physically
lift her into the car. It was like, all for fashion.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's how I want to be.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
She's so cute.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And the family is like multicultural. Yeah, you know, you're Argentinian.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And a whole mess of things. I'm like Armenian, Italian, German, Irish, Spanish, French.
I'm just I'm a mutt. But you know, Argentinians are
mutst and my mom grew up in Wisconsin, and so
I'm just a whole bunch of different cultures mashed together. Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And then Korean American, Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And he's half Korean Americans, and then the other half
is so we're both like American mutts who are like
navigating through our cultural identities all the time. And I
think that's actually when we met each other. He was like,
I'm Korean but kind of not also, and I'm like,
I'm Argentinian. But kind of also Wisconsin and not and
and it's hard, you know, yeah, exactly that was me.
(29:53):
We met the club. It was a club on the
West Side Highway in New York twenty eleven. And the
truth is we both went to college in the same
place and and he was an architecture student while I
was an undergrad, so so undergrad. So I recognized him
from campus and I saw him a class across the club,
(30:14):
and I went and the club and I went and
I talked to him, and we like hit it off immediately.
What did you say? I just said, did you a yell?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm going to try.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Because I'm not you did.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
What you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
But the truth is, like I knew exactly who he was.
I had like a full on like knew all the data,
who his sister was. I kind of knew his sister,
and but I we just immediately hit it off, talked
for like seven hours, and then basically we've been together since.
So it's been.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
What's that you talked seven hours of the club at.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
The club at the oh my god, just like the
corner in the corner, Yeah, Christina, let's go, I mean
kind of and then yeah, then we've been together every
saying you know, it's just like when you vibe with
someone immediately and you're like, we are you're a stranger,
but you're not, you know that feeling.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We talked about love a lot on the podcast, like
but how how did you know? Like how did you like?
What was it that made you go like I can't
break away from this person?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I remember very clearly. I'm like a risk averse
kind of you know, I'm very emotional, but I'm also
very like the other half of me is very logical,
and so I remember walking home like from seeing him
maybe the first week we met, and calling my mom
and was like, this is the kind of person I
want to marry, which is like, which is like qualifying it,
But I kind of knew immediately and Alfie, you know,
(31:49):
we were both very like jump all in from day one,
which is which I loved about him. He was very vulnerable,
very labra, very vulnerable in a way that like I
know what I had been with was that way, and
he would like you know, pretend to propose to me
every morning like that we had been together. So he
was like super vulnerable with his emotions and he's just
(32:10):
always just been like I'm obsessed with you and that
you know that you feel safe with that?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
H m.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And so no, he would just he would just anything.
He'd be like, will you marinate my chicken? Anything? But
it was a running joke are we gonna? He'd wake up?
The first thing he'd be like, are we gonna get married?
Like almost I think like speaking into it because it's
such a big thing that he.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Was was manifesting.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He was putting.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
A bunch of Etsy spells.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Wow exactly, but also to like, how do is that not?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I feel like in today's age, a lot of people
kind of get freaked out by that. Right if you
were to be in bed with the guy and he's
like I want to marry you? Yeah, you know, how
did that not?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Did? Were you? Like charmed?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well that's the very first. I mean he told me
that he loved me, like within a month or something,
and it was scary to me and he always still
teases me about it that he said I love you
and I said thank you, way you got to stress.
I didn't. And then it took me like twenty four
(33:36):
hours to like I love you too.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well that's very healthy, to be honest, That is a
healthy boundary. I think that if if you're not ready
to reciprocate or see that, I think that's also really
okay because you're being honest in your own I.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Know I was just spooked, but I obviously loved him too.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I mean I would get spooked, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Right a month, I think. I mean it's been fourteen years,
so it worked out. But still, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You're truly, like till this day, like just one of
my favorite couples. And I feel like mostly I've everybody
that knows you because even at the at the premiere,
like the minute we saw Alfie in the minute that
I think his name was also up there for.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Some yeah he I mean he art directed it and
he like every all the animations. He did everything for animations,
beautiful artwork to shout out yet out Alphie. But yeah,
he's he's a big part of We work together a lot,
and so like, yeah, he's he's a big part of
everything I do also, but he's an architect, but he
like taught himself at anime. He's a special one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean he's in the house is beautiful to you
just see that. It's stunning in there.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Thank you all alfie.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But like even just that connection I feel like people
nowadays have. It's like I don't know if we don't
have time on the apps or we get scared or
even just like attachment stuff like do you know your
attachments now?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
No, I don't. But I think we were also kind
of just too young. We were kind of like young
and dumb and like you're not scared of things yet
as much or something. I was twenty three and he
was twenty six, and I remember he like came over
and cooked me like a chicken once he roasted this chicken.
And I remember calling my girlfriends and he was twenty six,
and I was just like older men are just different.
(35:12):
Older men are just different.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I can't I'm so dad.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I remember being like this older guy right now an apartment.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
He was like a little that I know. He was
cooking me like the one dish she knew how to cook, like,
I mean, it was very sweet.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well do you have any like advice for I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Right? Like and and especially I think as women, like
you're doing it all like you're a mom, you're a wife,
you have this big successful career, Like what is your
advice for you know, people who feel like they get
that advice where they're just like, well, you can't you
have to pick one.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean it is hard. It's it's not easy.
And I think like anyone who's like, oh and magically
it actually is what it looks like on Instagram, like,
it's not. It's really hard. There's like arguments all the time.
Things are falling apart, there's childcare problems, who's going to
pick up who? And like, but I think small arguments
are good. Like we're always kind of arguing a little
(36:19):
bit so that we're avoiding these bigger monumental arguments. That
has been really healthy for us. Yeah, and like I
know at the end of the day that he's on
my team and on his team. And I think like
resentment is a really toxic emotion. So whenever I feel
like anything is bubbling under the surface, it's like we
(36:39):
have to get it out immediately. We have to talk
it out, because if anybody's resenting anyone, that's going to
be that's like not going to be a good foundation.
So I don't know, it's hard. Relationships are hard, And
I think for me, it was just a gut that
I knew that ALFI was the right person, but it
I was scared of it. So it grew time that suredness. Yeah,
(37:03):
I don't know, dating's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I love what you do that. By the way, do
you know Esther Perrell.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So she talks about how in relationships, if you don't
communicate or try to get it quickly, we start to
build cases for one another and we start to like,
once we believe like, oh he's a selfish person, we
start to collect evidence. Yes, that keeps continues to prove. See,
I knew he was a selfish person, and so now
(37:29):
if he's running a little late, it's not that he's late,
it's that he doesn't care about your time because he's.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
A selfish person. Yes, and so I.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Think to your point, like having those conversations early on
and being like, hey, like this is what I'm feeling
that it is. It reminds me when people are like
the big one is going to hit la. Yes, we
have seventy two after shocks a day.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, but that's I think, like a relationship, like
I had a friend who I have a friend who
like builds cases before she like brings the problem forward.
That's by the time that you're having the argument with her.
She's like she's been having the argument for two months
and you're just like, we can't do so trying to
(38:09):
avoid that as much as possible, and so it means
a lot of little arguments, which is but to avoid
the big one is the.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Goal, which I also heard is really healthy by the way,
couples that like get a little bigger.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And we're bigger.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, we're bigger people healthy on that, We're going to
do a little hot hot take.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Hot takes, so you got to shake it up in there,
pick a topic and then we just want to hear
your opinion on whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Welcome to another.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's getting petty revenge.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That is my favorite ree.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm so down for it, am I. I am motivated.
I was an investigator journals. I'm motivated by injustice and
if there is a way to just get a tiny
bit of revenge, I will not in like a friendship,
but in like a power dynamic and like a company
like if like I love, I love complaining and getting
(39:20):
like miles back from airlines like that kind of petty revenge, We're.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Like going to get in there. I'm so petty with mine.
I just did it to my mom the other day.
My mom whenever, my mom is Anela and she cooks everything,
and everything's for my nephews. We are not allowed to
touch anything that's for my nephews, right, So I don't
ask for anything.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I just go.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And the other day I went over and I bought
a bunch of groceries and I was like, oh, I
have to leave for the weekend, but come and eat whatever,
like they're your groceries, eat them. And I left and
I came back and I was like, you guys, ate
everything everything is because my mom makes me feelally guilty
if I have like one of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
The other she just made it for my nephews, right.
Oh yeah, So I was like, you ate all the spinach.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You didn't leave me anywhere, And I made her feel
I was like, just because I don't care, I really
don't care.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'll go. But the way that she made me feel,
I feel a little.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Bit of a little bit of yet, yes I have one.
Just you know, in the last twenty four hours, I
left the oven on by accident last night and Alfie
really let me have it, and I'm so mad at him.
And today this like an hour ago, he closed the
car door on my shoulder, and I was like, oh,
(40:34):
homing mistakes. I really hammed it.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Turn it out, yeah, internal leading probably damaged an organ
or something.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Anymore, it's like you got to ham it up a
little bit because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
But it's just like, but I just I gott to
tone it down the way.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
You guys are in the Petty Revenge.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, I've been like, let me let me put
like a like, what am I doing this for?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I feel like I would yes and no, I'm a
recovering petty revenger.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah what do you think? Do you think you're like
a petty revenger? Like do you like?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think I imagine more so of what I want
to do that I'm like, Oh, it's a lot of energy.
It's a lot of like you know, putting.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I'd rather use that energy for myself. I'm tired, I know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So see I have time. I used to call as well.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, but unless it's like us together petty revenging someone else,
I have time.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I have time even as in Hawaiian with myre mind
she I like music of all kinds.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I don't really like artists I like songs.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And she's in the car and she's like, you know,
I just don't feel anything when I listen to your music,
And it was a pinch, like criticizes your music.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I don't care what you like.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You can be like I'm into whatever and I feel
And I was just like, okay, I just want her
to understand language a little bit more and the fact
that some things you don't have to say give something.
So I was like, well, that's fine. I mean, it's okay.
We don't all have a big like scope of understanding
different types of music. Some of us can be a
(42:14):
little limited in what we like. And she likes Top
forty and she's like, I'm not limited because I but
I knew that I got her. I knew that I knew.
But Cousin, do you see what that felt like? Like
that that pinch?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That right there was an example.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I was like, yeah, I was like, that's what That's
what I felt.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I was like, that's what I feel like, I don't
you have great tastes of music and I and I
love it, but like and so whenever, And I love
her because she's so open to hearing like, oh, okay,
I see what you're saying, I'll be more mindful. And
I'm like, that's all this Virgo wanted, just a little
bit of accountability in terms of how we're using our
language and when we're using to when we're choosing to use.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
That energy, which brings us to me.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, oh sorry, we're going to no. No.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I think that's great. I think that's that's Uh. Those
are the lessons that you can teach, especially your family
members are so talk through.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's too much what it brings us to the astrology
portion of the podcast that you're Libra, you're Libra, and
you're married to Libra. When is your birthday?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
When it's his birthday, I'm October fifth and he's October second.
We okay, I love birthday parties and he doesn't. He's
caught and he just doesn't want to celebrate. So we
were caught in this joint birthday party trap where I
can't three days after his birthday be like and we'll celebrate.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Alone.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
We do do joint birthday parties. Is crazy, but we
do him like one. I think one year will do
a small birthday and one year we'll do a big birthday.
So we're like, you know, doing both of our jams.
So what sign is your daughter? She's a Gemini?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
All air?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Wow, Gemini? What should we know? I feel like you
I made a documentary about an astrologer, but I truthfully
I am not that good in astrola.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I mean, we just have fun with it.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
But quick side, don't you feel like they've probably had
a lot of past lives together?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Like I'll be like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I got that's probably trubble because you like probably recognize
him as soon as you saw him, that I probably
recognize you. It's probably why he's telling you, like you.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Probably stood there specifically so that you could see you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
But like him being like I'm going to marry you,
Like how did he know about stuff? The fact that
y'all work together, y'all are building a home together, y'all
have similar birthdays to one another, Like it feels so
serendipitous in a lot of ways where you're like, holy shit, like.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
We are like super just like buddies partners, Like that's crazy,
you know, like part of the same organism in a way.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, wow, oh I love that so much. But okay,
so it's two air signs. It's three air signs.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Geminis are beautiful and chaotic, and yeah, that's very like
I feel like it's it's nurturing and nourishing both aspects
of their personalities, because like it's gonna be like one day,
oh my god, yes I like this. In the next
day absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, she is so like crazy, two very different persons.
She's quick to anger. She's got like a real fire
there and which Alfie and I both have that too,
so you're like, you reap what you so, Yeah, so
she has us it can feel bad. And then she's
also so goofy and so funny and always trying to
make everybody laugh and like she's when she figures out
(45:42):
what a joke is, she like tries to do it
to everybody and she loves she's so joyous girl. Yeah,
but they really are. They get a bad like a
bad shirt.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
It is dumb, because I mean, yeah, I have a
lot of my best friends are gemin Eighes and aries
and Geminis go well together because like they're the air
and on the fire and like that we want it.
It's like yeah, but they're just so creative and they're
they're really emotional and it's also like, yeah, respecting that,
(46:16):
like if they're ghosters at a party too, they'll leave,
They'll be like the Irish goodbye are.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I always that you guys are super sweet and social,
but then also like secret secretly just want to go home. Yeah,
there's just the desire to be like I just want
to talk until I don't have to, and then.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I want to go home.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, and then it's like, but y'all, it's going to
be a lot of fun. I think that air Signs
might have a little bit of trouble of like confrontation sometimes,
but they are absolutely just it's a magical household. No wonder,
how's the spirits?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh and that concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You so.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Much.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I can't believe it's like over already.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
You guys are such great, Like interviewer, you were just.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
So much fun. We liked threw our head back a
couple of times. Where can people find you? How can
we support you?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Instagram is x Tina teeny And that's kind of my
main thing, Christina Constantini.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That yeah, and we can watch your films.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh, you can watch Sally and Disney Plus and Hulu.
You can watch more and gottle g on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Amazing yea, And where can people find you? On social media?
Speaker 4 (47:46):
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Speaker 2 (47:52):
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Speaker 3 (47:59):
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Get in here?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Get in here? Is that a UFO?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Oh my gosh, it's landing right on our tree house
this rocket ship.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Whoa, that door is opening really big?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It's Christina Gunstantini.
Speaker 4 (01:13):
We just called you an astronaut.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you all the way from out to space aka
the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, basically basically the space.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
So excited to have you here. Thank you so much
for being here.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Welcome to another episode of the Super Secret Bestie Club.
Podcast and welcome to the club house. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, I love your podcast. It's such an honor.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We are obsessed with you.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
So we also wrote a little bio with you with
a robot by the name of che GC and so
this is what she had to say about you. Okay,
So today's guest is Christina Gunstantini, Emmy winning filmmaker, investigative
journalists which I did not know, and all around storytelling powerhouse.
(01:59):
She's the creative force behind hits like Science Fair which
me and my grandma, me and my bla are in
Humble Brag on Two Faces Ago though Sally, which is
about Sally.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I always keep.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Calling her Sally Read, but she's not Sally Ride.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Sally Ride, Yes, the first American woman a woman's Space,
which we'll get into. Cattle G's new documentary Tomorrow was beautiful.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
But I heard her say in Spanish.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Did I say right in English?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
You said you did? It's It's yeah, Tomorrow was beautiful
in English and Nana in Spanish in.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Spanish, and then document documentaries that had Wow, Sun Dance,
Netflix and viewers around the world. I didn't notice, but
before making films you were uncovering big stories as a
journalist reporting on immigration opioids.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I made a Fentanyel documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That actually yeah, well we can get into it. I
needed an escape, so I did my first happy documentary, Wow,
and that science fair and then I've continued doing happy documentary.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And then it says you're based in La now you
co lead mac Media. Yes, you wrap your Midwestern Latina roots.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I do. And uh, you have a very cute pud
named Period.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, that's a baby named Penny and a baby.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It sounds like a cartoon. Everything feels like a husband
and a very cute husband named Alfie.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I couldn't find your start sign though.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh I'm a libra.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Okay, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.
I was like, but what is her star sign?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
And it was like, its importantly your first breaking news.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, the world's like now it might not be investigated
right now, the world's strongest AI.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
I was like, oh, so my husband's a libra too,
And I overheard Walter on a hot Mike talking shit
about our compatibility chart when she was like he was like,
oh she's married to a male libra. Very sad.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh my god, that's how we actually met, by the way,
is because you so graciously allowed me and my grandmother
through another beautiful connection we met and do you let
us be in this documentary?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You you graced us with your present.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Oh my god, I just was and it's really beautiful
because till this, my grandma was obsessed with Christina. By
the way, I know her, she loves you, like she
was just like in awe of Christina and her outfit
and the way that she dressed in her fashion, which
you have beautiful fashion, always you look amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But my grandma was like.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And she kept actually was fixated on Christina's parents, and
she kept being like, can I have them?
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Though it was so.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Fun, I mean, just like such a special, like chaotically
beautiful spirit.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
But like my grandmother, you know, with dementia and Alzheimers,
forgot a lot of things, but she always remembered Christina
and her band.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That she was own pants by because I was I
think I did. I think I sent her a pair, yeah,
but it was very late, it was overdue. And I
remember like every time I'd see you, she keeps up.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
It was just to like I think they were a
little high waisted, you were like, yeah, they had you
could tie.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, it was like kind of like that Korean feudal shape.
It was like high waisted pleated pants that like, yeah
they were they were.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
She loved it, and so we have this really beautiful
connection because now when people watch it, or if anybody
who watches documentary, there we are.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
You know, you've immortalized us.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
You guys, I was so obsessed with all of your
social media and all of your Instagram. And I love Gladys'
sexuality too. That was very like She's like, I loved
how comfortable you guys were talking about that. Yeah, so
it was an obvious fit. We needed something. We needed
somebody in the doc to like explain what Walter meant
to pop culture, and that little like snippet of the
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film is like everybody's favorite snippet. People would always be like,
could you just bring that way to the front and.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Open with that.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
So it's yeah, thank you for gracing us.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Thank you for having me. But how you mentioned that
you did sad documentaries first.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
And then yeah, so I was an investigative journalist covering
mostly immigration and detention centers, which feels very relevant right now.
And then I did a documentary about fentanyl, and I
did documentaries about sex trafficking. I mean really sad, dark stuff,
and it was just got really exhausting. It was very fulfilling. Yeah,
but I basically was I went to Univision's head, Isaac
(06:47):
Lee at that point, and Fusion was this like kind
of crazy network where anyone would try anything. Once I
was six and I was like, would you pay for
me to make a feature documentary in English for your
Spanish language network about the International high School Science Fair?
And Isaac, who would try any crazy idea, was like, sure,
(07:09):
why not, let's do it. So on the side of
being on the side, I was like being paid as
an investigative journalist, and on the side they let me
make Science Fair, which ended up like going to Sundance
and you know, being acquired by National Geographic and that
kind of changed my life and allowed me to actually
be a professional documentary filmmaker.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
But it was kind of this crazy once off. I
thought it was going to be this escape from the
dark journalism, and I realized that film was about like
gender scientists, immigrants, and I was like, I reached so
many more people with that film than I did, and
so it was kind of a trojan horse for the
things I really cared about and I then do it. Yeah,
And after the success of Science Fair, I was like,
(07:50):
what else from my childhood brought me a lot of joy?
That was interesting? And I was like, well, Dad, oh wow,
and like, you know, my first day, my first interactions
with like the idea of like genders being more complicated
or he just you know, well, I don't have to
explain Walter to you guys. But so this came from
the like what brings me joy but actually is about
something way more important. Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean I really believe that you brought Walter back
into the zeitgeist.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Oh, I think so, which is.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Wild because like he's such a secret. He's like, if
you know, you know about our culture, and it always
felt like there's certain things about our culture that if
you know about it, you're a real one, You're authentic.
But you made him accessible to the masses, and it
was It's one of Netflix's like most successful documentaries, right yeah, in.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
The Latino space, definitely, And as Koreem, my co director,
would say, we brought him to a wider and a
wider audience.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah. And it humanized him too.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
A lot, and I feel like it it was it's
just so crazy. Like when he died was on Day
of the Dead. Yeah, I was in Mexico at the
time celebrating Daila Mortals and I was I was like together,
it was it was in twenty nineteen, yes, but I
was like, Wow, for him to cross over and at
(09:11):
a time when the veil is already super thin, right,
like that is just so powerful.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
I know, I mean he he also does. It was
the day after we submitted our cut to Sundance, so
he passed away and I feel like at a certain
level he knew his like his job was done. We
had like finished the edit and he I don't know.
All the timing of all of it was crazy. And
then a few weeks later we found out we got
into Sundance, and then we premiered there and we had Yeah,
(09:38):
it was it was a really it was a really
magical experience to be able to to film with Walter,
to bring him to a different audience and to yeah,
celebrate him. And I mean, I think the film did
well because we all have that like deep memory of
him and lodged in our brains from when we were ten.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
We need I mean, I remember, like Whoopi Goldberg, I
think the weekend that it came out, was talking about
on the View and she's like, I'm obsessed with this
documentary that came out over the weekend. I was like,
Oh my god, that's so cool. Like what would possess
somebody who didn't grow up with him to be like
scrolling through the countless titles on Netflix and stop at this,
(10:16):
you know, Mutomuto mood poster and invest space and time
watching and learning about this man and like it's clearly
just the magic of who he was. What did you
did you see like any differences in terms of like
who he was on camera and then who he was
off camera.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
I gotta say he was the same person. He's like,
you know, just kind of like love embodied as a person.
He's like so sweet and gentle and kind, and like
that is who he is. I will say the version
that he created, he definitely created, as he says in
the film, a famous person inside of him, like he
had it there, but he created He understood as a
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performer the power of cameras and angles and outfits, and
he knew that he had to dress up what he
was and some a more elaborate, more flamboyant costume. And
that was what he did. And and so you know,
even I think his house is a great metaphor for this.
He had a pretend bedroom that he would if he liked,
(11:19):
if like Univision came over for a tour or something,
he would be like, here is my bedroom. It was
like it was like a satin green. He had like
the biggest perfume collection in the whole world. This is
my bedroom. But then it actually in his house behind
this like secret siding mirror was his real bedroom where
(11:43):
that was still fabulous. It was still but it had
like pill bottles and like little a little more Linden.
That's kind of who Walter was too. It was like
both bedrooms were very fabulous. One was just like more
sparkly and more velvet and more perfume. The invent did
razzle dazzle, he really did.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
He really old school Hollywood to me, just like look
at you, just like the art of knowing, like the
theater aspect of it, the smoke in the mirrors.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean absolutely. And he's uh. He like was
trained as an actor and as a performer, and he
understood how he could like push the lines of like
masculinity and femininity, and what he was doing was so
brave at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, it really was. It really was.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I have this one quick memory of you guys coming
over and we were talking about all this stuff that
he had in his house, and I was like, oh,
I don't think I'm that bad, And I don't remember
who on your team like went like this and looked
around like.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
A lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Pete Alton, who shot the film. It's our cameraman who
dad is left?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, he said in a sweet way.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
He was like, no, it's like this.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
You're obsessed with trinkets, Like I don't know what it is.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, his house looks.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Like a calmer now though, I think I feel like.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It looks what did I used to say it like a.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Church, Say it looks like a church or a museum.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Like, yeah, like a museum.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
It's like maximalist.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
I mean, yeah, yeah, getting older and get rid of
that thing that.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Doesn't it's bring joy.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But okay, so then now you like move on, you
do to like you go to the next one is
the that you did.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Was it Goddard that came first or they.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Both came basically at the same time, I'm like, you know,
an immigrants kid, so I'm like work Argentina. Yeah, and
my grandparents came over here super poor. They like stopped
school at age twelve so they could work and support
their families, that classic thing. But so I had these
two opportunities come at the same time, and you really
(13:46):
can only make one documentated time usually. But I was
like one of them is going to fall apart, you
know how this industry is like, there's no way two
documentaries are going to have the exact same timeline and
go at the same time. But then they did. So
they were like basically I finish Sally first and it
premiered at Sundance and then Carol was like released on
platform first. So but they were basically exact same time timeline.
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So I was going touring the world with Carol and
then I was also like in this deep archival documentary
that's yes, they were so different. But I went to
NASA with Carol because she's obsessed with space, and I
was like this is so weird, oh.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Crazy, But how like like, so you go to like
your on tour, you're on stage, and then you go
home and do more homework.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah, I mean basically I would I would, you know,
leave to shoot for a couple for like a week
for one film and then be at night answering emails
on the other film and then and it was hard.
I shouldn't turn that off, but it was. It was hard.
But I have the best husband in the world, so
that helps. And and you know, really good teams on
(14:57):
both is what makes it work. Like, you know, filmmaking
is just such a team sport that there were like
such good, brilliant people on each of those films who
were supporting and helping me get through it. But yeah,
I'm retired now, so well, yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Also, like it takes a lot of you have to
have great communication skills, right, how what's your secret sauce
to like getting people to talk about their lives or
making them feel comfortable.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think like being an empathetic person
is really feeling the feelings that knowing the person trusting
you off camera is so important to them then opening
up on camera like Tam for example, who's Sally's life
partner so that the story is, yeah, is about Sally
(15:50):
was closeted for twenty seven years and had this female
life partner, and so Tam is the main storyteller of
that film, and she and I just got very close
off camera and that really contributed to that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
H h.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah, her vulnerability on camera. And then for Carol, I
think the same. You know, that was such a verte documentary.
That was so about like having her forget that you're there,
that that one verite cinema. Verite means just capturing life
as it as it unfolds naturally, So yeah, just kept
(16:45):
capturing the real that that was about really, you know,
if I was there being part of the crew, sorry,
and if I wasn't, Like, we had this incredible DP,
this camera woman named Luisa Conlin who just like became
part of that crew whenever she could. Whenever there was
like a oh they're getting in the golf cart, Luisa,
everybody would make sure Luisa got on with them or
(17:06):
whatever it was. And it was about really becoming a
fly on the wall and having them forget that you're
like have a camera in your hands that you're just kind.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Of yeah, wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Because the Sally, I mean both of them. It's wild
because for the first one I had mentioned that we
met gotdo before she was already big, but she wasn't
like at this level now, right, And I was telling
you it was crazy because I think you had an
invited us to see screen. Yes, And then before you arrived,
I was telling somebody how I was like, yeah, like
(17:38):
she and I were kind of cool, but then she
got into a certain relationship where we then we stopped
talking during this relationship, and I was saying, how, it's
so interesting because I remember during that time, I don't
remember who came to BuzzFeed, but we were talking about
all the girls like uh, got oge, Becky g Cardi,
b like all these girls that were coming out at
(17:58):
the time. And somebody said to me, do you notice
they never go on tour because nobody would pay to
go see them. Nobody would pay to go and see
a show about them. I just got I remember that
this was what people were saying. Yeah, And people were saying,
like nobody, they just won't sell out. They can't sell
out by themselves.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, And so you're there, I am watching this documentary
and I'm watching it and I'm like, oh shit, like
she's not only did they talk about certain parts of
the relationship, but also just like you know the how
she just blew all that shit out of the water.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, you know, sixty two cities or whatever, like sold
out every single one. She yeah, set the record for
the most tickets sold in the most profitable tour for
a Latina ever. So it's it was crazy to like
realize there were so many records that she was breaking
every day. Yeah, that it was almost like hard for
the team to grasp that. They were like we were
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filming something that would be historic or that could be historic.
It's wow, It's crazy what that woman's life was for
two years of just every everything was a hit, everything
was winning everything, and watching her grapple with that and
like live through it as a real person, Like she
couldn't go she wanted to, Like I remember she said
to me once, I wish I could just pause time
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and I could like walk through every aisle of every
stadium and like take in the show from different angles.
But it can't. I can't process it all, Like my
life is moving too fast. There's too much happening that
I can't actually like synthesize. And they're also all those
her whole team was getting like three or four hours
of sleep at night at most like they often would
hardly sleep, so their brains were like so overloaded.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
And then cut to twenty sixteen Curly and Gottle g
torquing on a wall.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Yeah, upside down, Oh my god, so fun.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
She hurt her foot and she was bleeding.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
She was wearing my really bad shoes, and we were like,
how do we get you? She was leaving, yeah, and
we couldn't find a band aid. I think Gadiel a
little bit finally found a band aid for her. And
then I love so much I miss that's the best.
And so then I was like, I'll carry you to
your car, and I just threw her on my back
and follow her. I carried her down like an elevator,
(20:10):
this giant building, through this like like it wasn't closed,
and I carried her all the way to her big
SUV and we just became friends for a long time.
Many times she was in LA she would be like
come to the show like, and she would have us
like backstage with her.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
We would be like, what the And We've.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Interviewed a lot of celebrities, and I think the through
line that I see of their success and meet seeing
like they're going to be successful is they are so
willing to do whatever we wanted to. Yeah, because they
they're kind and they're humble, and they also know like
the power of the Internet, and like, you know, nobody
(20:48):
really wanted to I mean, people wanted to work with us,
but we had to build that up. So we matched
with these artists who also wanted to build and I,
you know, I was following them around with the camera
like filming everything, and she was down for everything, everything,
running all around, like and then you know, cut to
now where She's.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Was released last night.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But like comments online, a lot of comment say, like
we made the right person famous, and that always that
I completely agree, like that Carol is who you think
she is. She's you know she is.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
When I was sitting with her, was like, who's this
guy you're hanging with? He's what's his name is? I'm
like he's kind of hot and she's like, oh, he's
very cute. She's like, I'm like, how old is She's
like he's young, He's never mind that.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
And then who knew would be for us?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I remember?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
So then so now Sally's also it just came out. Yeah,
and Sally is also you know, it's interesting because sometimes
you think that you might not be uh interested in
a certain topic, right, You're like, I'm not reallyamiliar with
space or NASA, but I watched this and I was
like it was from the moment it starts like just
(22:08):
the footage of this old school like NASA, takeoff the
sounds that you added, and then it's really cool.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It says like you're a film like Castine.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's really beautiful, but it's so cool, like there is
it's not only just a story of being an individual
who was queer and closeted. It's about girl power and
the girl power that extends actually beyond her as well.
Because and I had mentioned this to you, like I
was like ding you and I was like, there's a
(22:38):
mention of another astronaut by the name of Judy, right,
and she's the girl. She's like this like Hollywood gorgeous astronaut.
And the way that these women were talking at the
time was like they would be like what does it
feel like to be like a woman astinaut, like are
you just dumb? Questions like are you gonna get pregnant
in space? Like the Super Good, And they would be
(22:59):
like very direct and be like, don't ask me questions
like that. You don't ask him that, and or they
would be like there was a scene where Sally's like,
you can call me Sally.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Or you can call me doctor, like, don't call me.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Miss like very like, but I was what I was
mentioning was like Judy, like I had no idea it
almost by the way, it was almost jutying, like it's
sent to space, not Sally. Yeah, And so you're watching
this and you're like, oh my god, this could have
been a whole different time, and then should I because
it was spoiler.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
So there's this.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Big like thing where a big event that people talk
about a lot when a spaceship blew up in the.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Sky what was it called?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And you you know, I was we were babies when
that happened, And so you don't really humanize it in
a lot of ways. But the film does a really
good job because Judy's on it, and you fall in
love with Judy and you're just like.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I was.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You're rooting for your girl, and you're just like it's like.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Girlhood, it's the it's the and and there's just it's
just such a beautiful, beautiful film, Oh thank you?
Speaker 1 (24:04):
So yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
It's like, if you want to see a girl of power,
queer identity, people coming in terms of that identity, people
like the time women being told they can't do shit
and then throw it in space.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, and you have Sally.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah. I mean I really I feel like the film.
One of the great privileges of being a documentary filmmakers.
You get to, like an archival filmmakers, You get to
live in another year for so so you know, I
felt like I lived in nineteen eighty three for two
years straight just making that film, and it has given
me so much hope, just to see how much things
have changed. That the way that they talk to these
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women was like they were just these bumbling idiots that
somehow like, isn't it funny that they're going to go
to space? And that was kind of the framing. Like
Tom Brokaw is interviewing Judy and he says to her, Hey,
do people say to you, hey, you're too cute to
be an astronaut? And he thinks that he's reaped presenting
like the Voice of America, you can tell and in
(25:04):
those moments, you're like, Wow, that would never happen anymore.
And thank God, and it gives me hope that things
can change, and they do change. And my mom was
my age when that happened and now and I have
a daughter, and if if that much can change in
our lifetime, that gives me a lot of help. But
it also reminds me. I think that like none of
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these rights were guaranteed, none of this equality was guaranteed,
and that we stand on the shoulders of these giants
and who fought for us, and we have to keep
fighting because these are not just like yeah, rights were
not just hand it over easily.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, And I think that the film does a really
good job but like showing that that like it, it
has changed so much, but exactly what you said, like
they had to push back and be very like sturdy,
like dig their heels or into the ground and be like, no,
we stand by this.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
This is what we are.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
And it's a lot of things that like you kind
of take for granted now because you just don't understand it, right,
but you're right, Like watching it, you were just like
everybody in the theater was like shocked at some of
the questions, like just like crazy crazy as a gay dude,
I did gay out I got a little hard for duty.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
She's so beautiful, she's fabulous dunning.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I like when they were like talking about when they
would try to sabotage each other.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, there was you know, like you wanted
them to be the perfect like feminist sisterhood. But what
I like about it is is that there's actually some complexity.
None of those women had ever worked with women before.
They had always been like the only woman in their class,
so they were used to this kind of like they
were used to dealing with men's shit, but they weren't
(26:48):
necessarily like they didn't have the sisterhood that I think
is now common in workplaces now where we are all
trying to like lift each other up and support each other,
not always but ideally. Wow, But so they where you know,
like there's this scene where Sally may or may not
have been like sabotaging her friend, who is also competing
(27:08):
to be the first by basically she's practicing on the
robotic arm, which is the thing that Sally's really good at,
and basically, if you're good at it, it might mean
that you're placed first on the very first light. And Sally,
as she's like going down the ladder out of the
simulator basically like breaks all the stur circuit breakers and
so the arm stops working, and Kathy Sullivan, one of
(27:30):
the other female astronauts, is trying is stuck, trying to
figure out what went wrong and kind of looking like
an idiot in front of the rest of the class.
And so it's unclear if Sally is like playing a
practical joke or if it's like, stay off my turf,
this is mine. But I love that Sally's complex. She's
super competitive, she's like any of us. She's like, she's flawed.
(27:52):
She's not the perfect feminist icon at all points that
you want her to be. Oh he's a real person.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, it like it's so good, so good.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But I have also just the oneful opportunity of knowing
you and your family. Her husband is really cool. Aunt
in Korea, by the way, who's like super rich and
super amazing, and she just breaks all the rules of
being just a badass woman at you. I think I'll
be rushing my teeth randomly in the morning just thinking
about her, and like she has no idea who I am,
and I'm just thinking about.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Her so fast.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Auntie Young, She's like always wearing the coolest things. She's yeah,
young would be Young is a trip. Her dress. My
sister in law graduated from Yale and Young came from
Korea and she was wearing the tightest pleathant dress in
the whole world, and we had to like physically she
(28:47):
couldn't wear. So she was like we had to physically
lift her into the car. It was like, all for fashion.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
That's how I want to be.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
She's so cute.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And the family is like multicultural. Yeah, you know, you're Argentinian.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
And a whole mess of things. I'm like Armenian, Italian, German, Irish, Spanish, French.
I'm just I'm a mutt. But you know, Argentinians are
mutst and my mom grew up in Wisconsin, and so
I'm just a whole bunch of different cultures mashed together. Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
And then Korean American, Yes.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And he's half Korean Americans, and then the other half
is so we're both like American mutts who are like
navigating through our cultural identities all the time. And I
think that's actually when we met each other. He was like,
I'm Korean but kind of not also, and I'm like,
I'm Argentinian. But kind of also Wisconsin and not and
and it's hard, you know, yeah, exactly that was me.
(29:53):
We met the club. It was a club on the
West Side Highway in New York twenty eleven. And the
truth is we both went to college in the same
place and and he was an architecture student while I
was an undergrad, so so undergrad. So I recognized him
from campus and I saw him a class across the club,
(30:14):
and I went and the club and I went and
I talked to him, and we like hit it off immediately.
What did you say? I just said, did you a yell?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I'm going to try.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Because I'm not you did.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
What you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
But the truth is, like I knew exactly who he was.
I had like a full on like knew all the data,
who his sister was. I kind of knew his sister,
and but I we just immediately hit it off, talked
for like seven hours, and then basically we've been together since.
So it's been.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
What's that you talked seven hours of the club at.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
The club at the oh my god, just like the
corner in the corner, Yeah, Christina, let's go, I mean
kind of and then yeah, then we've been together every
saying you know, it's just like when you vibe with
someone immediately and you're like, we are you're a stranger,
but you're not, you know that feeling.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
We talked about love a lot on the podcast, like
but how how did you know? Like how did you like?
What was it that made you go like I can't
break away from this person?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Well, I remember very clearly. I'm like a risk averse
kind of you know, I'm very emotional, but I'm also
very like the other half of me is very logical,
and so I remember walking home like from seeing him
maybe the first week we met, and calling my mom
and was like, this is the kind of person I
want to marry, which is like, which is like qualifying it,
But I kind of knew immediately and Alfie, you know,
(31:49):
we were both very like jump all in from day one,
which is which I loved about him. He was very vulnerable,
very labra, very vulnerable in a way that like I
know what I had been with was that way, and
he would like you know, pretend to propose to me
every morning like that we had been together. So he
was like super vulnerable with his emotions and he's just
(32:10):
always just been like I'm obsessed with you and that
you know that you feel safe with that?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
H m.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
And so no, he would just he would just anything.
He'd be like, will you marinate my chicken? Anything? But
it was a running joke are we gonna? He'd wake up?
The first thing he'd be like, are we gonna get married?
Like almost I think like speaking into it because it's
such a big thing that he.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Was was manifesting.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
He was putting.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
A bunch of Etsy spells.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Wow exactly, but also to like, how do is that not?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I feel like in today's age, a lot of people
kind of get freaked out by that. Right if you
were to be in bed with the guy and he's
like I want to marry you? Yeah, you know, how
did that not?
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Did? Were you? Like charmed?
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Well that's the very first. I mean he told me
that he loved me, like within a month or something,
and it was scary to me and he always still
teases me about it that he said I love you
and I said thank you, way you got to stress.
I didn't. And then it took me like twenty four
(33:36):
hours to like I love you too.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
Well that's very healthy, to be honest, That is a
healthy boundary. I think that if if you're not ready
to reciprocate or see that, I think that's also really
okay because you're being honest in your own I.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Know I was just spooked, but I obviously loved him too.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I mean I would get spooked, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Right a month, I think. I mean it's been fourteen years,
so it worked out. But still, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You're truly, like till this day, like just one of
my favorite couples. And I feel like mostly I've everybody
that knows you because even at the at the premiere,
like the minute we saw Alfie in the minute that
I think his name was also up there for.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Some yeah he I mean he art directed it and
he like every all the animations. He did everything for animations,
beautiful artwork to shout out yet out Alphie. But yeah,
he's he's a big part of We work together a lot,
and so like, yeah, he's he's a big part of
everything I do also, but he's an architect, but he
like taught himself at anime. He's a special one.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I mean he's in the house is beautiful to you
just see that. It's stunning in there.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Thank you all alfie.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But like even just that connection I feel like people
nowadays have. It's like I don't know if we don't
have time on the apps or we get scared or
even just like attachment stuff like do you know your
attachments now?
Speaker 3 (34:49):
No, I don't. But I think we were also kind
of just too young. We were kind of like young
and dumb and like you're not scared of things yet
as much or something. I was twenty three and he
was twenty six, and I remember he like came over
and cooked me like a chicken once he roasted this chicken.
And I remember calling my girlfriends and he was twenty six,
and I was just like older men are just different.
(35:12):
Older men are just different.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
I can't I'm so dad.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I remember being like this older guy right now an apartment.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
He was like a little that I know. He was
cooking me like the one dish she knew how to cook, like,
I mean, it was very sweet.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well do you have any like advice for I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
How do you know?
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Right? Like and and especially I think as women, like
you're doing it all like you're a mom, you're a wife,
you have this big successful career, Like what is your
advice for you know, people who feel like they get
that advice where they're just like, well, you can't you
have to pick one.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, I mean it is hard. It's it's not easy.
And I think like anyone who's like, oh and magically
it actually is what it looks like on Instagram, like,
it's not. It's really hard. There's like arguments all the time.
Things are falling apart, there's childcare problems, who's going to
pick up who? And like, but I think small arguments
are good. Like we're always kind of arguing a little
(36:19):
bit so that we're avoiding these bigger monumental arguments. That
has been really healthy for us. Yeah, and like I
know at the end of the day that he's on
my team and on his team. And I think like
resentment is a really toxic emotion. So whenever I feel
like anything is bubbling under the surface, it's like we
(36:39):
have to get it out immediately. We have to talk
it out, because if anybody's resenting anyone, that's going to
be that's like not going to be a good foundation.
So I don't know, it's hard. Relationships are hard, And
I think for me, it was just a gut that
I knew that ALFI was the right person, but it
I was scared of it. So it grew time that suredness. Yeah,
(37:03):
I don't know, dating's crazy.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I love what you do that. By the way, do
you know Esther Perrell.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So she talks about how in relationships, if you don't
communicate or try to get it quickly, we start to
build cases for one another and we start to like,
once we believe like, oh he's a selfish person, we
start to collect evidence. Yes, that keeps continues to prove. See,
I knew he was a selfish person, and so now
(37:29):
if he's running a little late, it's not that he's late,
it's that he doesn't care about your time because he's.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
A selfish person. Yes, and so I.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Think to your point, like having those conversations early on
and being like, hey, like this is what I'm feeling
that it is. It reminds me when people are like
the big one is going to hit la. Yes, we
have seventy two after shocks a day.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, but that's I think, like a relationship, like
I had a friend who I have a friend who
like builds cases before she like brings the problem forward.
That's by the time that you're having the argument with her.
She's like she's been having the argument for two months
and you're just like, we can't do so trying to
(38:09):
avoid that as much as possible, and so it means
a lot of little arguments, which is but to avoid
the big one is the.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Goal, which I also heard is really healthy by the way,
couples that like get a little bigger.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
And we're bigger.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yeah, we're bigger people healthy on that, We're going to
do a little hot hot take.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Hot takes, so you got to shake it up in there,
pick a topic and then we just want to hear
your opinion on whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Welcome to another.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's getting petty revenge.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
That is my favorite ree.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I'm so down for it, am I. I am motivated.
I was an investigator journals. I'm motivated by injustice and
if there is a way to just get a tiny
bit of revenge, I will not in like a friendship,
but in like a power dynamic and like a company
like if like I love, I love complaining and getting
(39:20):
like miles back from airlines like that kind of petty revenge, We're.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Like going to get in there. I'm so petty with mine.
I just did it to my mom the other day.
My mom whenever, my mom is Anela and she cooks everything,
and everything's for my nephews. We are not allowed to
touch anything that's for my nephews, right, So I don't
ask for anything.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
I just go.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
And the other day I went over and I bought
a bunch of groceries and I was like, oh, I
have to leave for the weekend, but come and eat whatever,
like they're your groceries, eat them. And I left and
I came back and I was like, you guys, ate
everything everything is because my mom makes me feelally guilty
if I have like one of.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
The other she just made it for my nephews, right.
Oh yeah, So I was like, you ate all the spinach.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You didn't leave me anywhere, And I made her feel
I was like, just because I don't care, I really
don't care.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I'll go. But the way that she made me feel,
I feel a little.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Bit of a little bit of yet, yes I have one.
Just you know, in the last twenty four hours, I
left the oven on by accident last night and Alfie
really let me have it, and I'm so mad at him.
And today this like an hour ago, he closed the
car door on my shoulder, and I was like, oh,
(40:34):
homing mistakes. I really hammed it.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Turn it out, yeah, internal leading probably damaged an organ
or something.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Anymore, it's like you got to ham it up a
little bit because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
But it's just like, but I just I gott to
tone it down the way.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
You guys are in the Petty Revenge.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, I've been like, let me let me put
like a like, what am I doing this for?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
I feel like I would yes and no, I'm a
recovering petty revenger.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah what do you think? Do you think you're like
a petty revenger? Like do you like?
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think I imagine more so of what I want
to do that I'm like, Oh, it's a lot of energy.
It's a lot of like you know, putting.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
I'd rather use that energy for myself. I'm tired, I know,
I know.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
So see I have time. I used to call as well.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, but unless it's like us together petty revenging someone else,
I have time.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I have time even as in Hawaiian with myre mind
she I like music of all kinds.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I don't really like artists I like songs.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
And she's in the car and she's like, you know,
I just don't feel anything when I listen to your music,
And it was a pinch, like criticizes your music.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I don't care what you like.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You can be like I'm into whatever and I feel
And I was just like, okay, I just want her
to understand language a little bit more and the fact
that some things you don't have to say give something.
So I was like, well, that's fine. I mean, it's okay.
We don't all have a big like scope of understanding
different types of music. Some of us can be a
(42:14):
little limited in what we like. And she likes Top
forty and she's like, I'm not limited because I but
I knew that I got her. I knew that I knew.
But Cousin, do you see what that felt like? Like
that that pinch?
Speaker 4 (42:31):
That right there was an example.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I was like, yeah, I was like, that's what That's
what I felt.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I was like, that's what I feel like, I don't
you have great tastes of music and I and I
love it, but like and so whenever, And I love
her because she's so open to hearing like, oh, okay,
I see what you're saying, I'll be more mindful. And
I'm like, that's all this Virgo wanted, just a little
bit of accountability in terms of how we're using our
language and when we're using to when we're choosing to use.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
That energy, which brings us to me.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, oh sorry, we're going to no. No.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I think that's great. I think that's that's Uh. Those
are the lessons that you can teach, especially your family
members are so talk through.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
It's too much what it brings us to the astrology
portion of the podcast that you're Libra, you're Libra, and
you're married to Libra. When is your birthday?
Speaker 3 (43:17):
When it's his birthday, I'm October fifth and he's October second.
We okay, I love birthday parties and he doesn't. He's
caught and he just doesn't want to celebrate. So we
were caught in this joint birthday party trap where I
can't three days after his birthday be like and we'll celebrate.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Alone.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
We do do joint birthday parties. Is crazy, but we
do him like one. I think one year will do
a small birthday and one year we'll do a big birthday.
So we're like, you know, doing both of our jams.
So what sign is your daughter? She's a Gemini?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
All air?
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Wow, Gemini? What should we know? I feel like you
I made a documentary about an astrologer, but I truthfully
I am not that good in astrola.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
I mean, we just have fun with it.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
But quick side, don't you feel like they've probably had
a lot of past lives together?
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Like I'll be like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I got that's probably trubble because you like probably recognize
him as soon as you saw him, that I probably
recognize you. It's probably why he's telling you, like you.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Probably stood there specifically so that you could see you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (44:29):
But like him being like I'm going to marry you,
Like how did he know about stuff? The fact that
y'all work together, y'all are building a home together, y'all
have similar birthdays to one another, Like it feels so
serendipitous in a lot of ways where you're like, holy shit, like.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
We are like super just like buddies partners, Like that's crazy,
you know, like part of the same organism in a way.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yeah, wow, oh I love that so much. But okay,
so it's two air signs. It's three air signs.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Geminis are beautiful and chaotic, and yeah, that's very like
I feel like it's it's nurturing and nourishing both aspects
of their personalities, because like it's gonna be like one day,
oh my god, yes I like this. In the next
day absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
Yeah, she is so like crazy, two very different persons.
She's quick to anger. She's got like a real fire
there and which Alfie and I both have that too,
so you're like, you reap what you so, Yeah, so
she has us it can feel bad. And then she's
also so goofy and so funny and always trying to
make everybody laugh and like she's when she figures out
(45:42):
what a joke is, she like tries to do it
to everybody and she loves she's so joyous girl. Yeah,
but they really are. They get a bad like a
bad shirt.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
It is dumb, because I mean, yeah, I have a
lot of my best friends are gemin Eighes and aries
and Geminis go well together because like they're the air
and on the fire and like that we want it.
It's like yeah, but they're just so creative and they're
they're really emotional and it's also like, yeah, respecting that,
(46:16):
like if they're ghosters at a party too, they'll leave,
They'll be like the Irish goodbye are.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I always that you guys are super sweet and social,
but then also like secret secretly just want to go home. Yeah,
there's just the desire to be like I just want
to talk until I don't have to, and then.
Speaker 3 (46:34):
I want to go home.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
Yeah, and then it's like, but y'all, it's going to
be a lot of fun. I think that air Signs
might have a little bit of trouble of like confrontation sometimes,
but they are absolutely just it's a magical household. No wonder,
how's the spirits?
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Oh and that concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
You so.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Much.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
I can't believe it's like over already.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That was so much fun.
Speaker 3 (47:03):
You guys are such great, Like interviewer, you were just.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
So much fun. We liked threw our head back a
couple of times. Where can people find you? How can
we support you?
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Instagram is x Tina teeny And that's kind of my
main thing, Christina Constantini.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That yeah, and we can watch your films.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh, you can watch Sally and Disney Plus and Hulu.
You can watch more and gottle g on Netflix.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
Amazing yea, And where can people find you? On social media?
Speaker 4 (47:46):
You can find me at my moment m A y
A anywhere in the moment, anywhere you scroll.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
You can find us in space at the show on
Instagram and TikTok, WHOA where.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Are you going?
Speaker 1 (48:01):
How'd you get? A?
Speaker 4 (48:07):
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Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast bye bye.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
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