December 17, 2025 • 33 mins
This week, Curly and Maya unpack the wild moment someone made a hate video about Maya’s literal puppy (yes, really), spiraling into a hilarious and honest conversation about internet boundaries. They’re joined by Los Angeles–based creator, writer, and cultural commentator MJ Gray (@mjgray__), who brings sharp wit, emotional honesty, and peak “be delusional / supermodel billionaire” energy to the chaos — reminding us how to laugh, heal, and stay hot while doing it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think when you demand the most for yourself as
a woman, you are also making things better for all
the women.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
For me, for example, when you think when I think
of narcissism, I've got some people in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
My head there, I think.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
And this girl who's in the chat, who's my neighbor,
decides to screenshot it and make fun of him on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
If someone tries you be a fucking bitch.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast Season four is here.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And we're locked in.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
That means more juicy cheese.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Man, terrible love advice.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Evil spels to cast on your ex.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, we're not doing that this season.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Oh well, this season we're leveling up.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not
gonna want to miss it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
So what are you waiting for? Get in here?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Welcome to another episode of The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yea, we have MJ. Gray here, MJ.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
A Ray with an a yeah, because who wouldn't expell
that someone did? Someone did once and they knew it's
everywhere on my socials, But I was so excited to
be absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We do a little thing called How's your spirit and
basically like we just want to know any updates, like
how's your heart doing, how's your spirit doing?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Where are you at?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's so good. I feel like I all all of
my energy manifestations has been coming into into fruition in
the last like four or five months. Yes, so things
are just like super super good.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Has you changed your way and how you're manifesting.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I've always just been like full on delusion, Like I
truly believe that you have to fully believe in a reality.
You have to feel like you're already in it, and
then everyone else around you is going to think you're crazy.
And you just have to have so much can fiction
that you just stay in it kind of and then
it just happens like you get to design it in
your mind.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You have to be I mean, it's kind of outdated
to say de Ululu maybe, but it's like you do
have to be the Lulu.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You got to be Delulu, like you got to really.
I think I think most people don't even understand the
word delusion and what it truly means.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You have to be deep, deep, deep into like deep
self belief.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, I've been like manifesting extra and what I've been doing.
Is I pray. I've been praying every day.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that's a form of manifestation.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And in my prayers, I say it whatever I want
in the present tense.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You have to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I do an extra where.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I listen to music that makes me feel so I
can see it, you know, like a song will make
you feel hot, a song will make you feel rich,
A song will make you feel.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Minus seven rings my aeron?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh is it?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Like I want it? I got it, I want it,
I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
All.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And you have to give yourself permission like you have to.
You can't like listening to that song. I'm like, it's
just about material things. And I'm like, you know what,
yeah it is? Yeah, and then what and then and
then what what if I want to thing?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yes, it's okay, get yourself Okay it is that's other
thing too, like and but tell me how like your
spirit's doing.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And then I just flew in from Phoenix today morning.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She's my spirit.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Spirit, I am a spirit. I flew American. But something's
been happening with you know obviously, like the airplanes and
airports and like the airlines where like I've been getting
first class on American and it's the same price as Southwest. Yeah,
(03:41):
it just I don't know, Like, well, maybe it's because
I fly out a burbank to Phoenix, Like maybe it's
a very specific thing and it's like a charter plane.
But I'm like, I'm gonna do first class every time
if it's going to be the same as another airline.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Theers are like that too. Now Uber blacks are the
same price as Uber exs. Yes, yeah, what's going.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
On after the dollar more or so thing?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So my spirits a little all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But which is kind of like what we're going to
get into with this topic because you've kind of had
a little bit of a weird week.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yes, well how's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Oh, my spirit's good, you know, just manifesting and doing
the thing and hanging out. And I had amazing sex
like two nights ago. One of those were like you
get thrown into every position and you're like whoa, and
then we ate sushi and then we just kept.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Going and shi. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was like spirit.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, it was just one of those where I was
like this documentary, this Diddy documentary is crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You watched did you documentary?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
While you're gonna walk.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I actually made him change it because I was like,
this might not be I was like, number one, I
want to focus and I can't.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I can't do both. I was like, can we change
it when we end up putting? We ended up changing
it to something, but I was like, we want on
the chocolate factory.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I don't know if chocolate factory is appropriate
for a Sorry, by the way, I don't know if
you I.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Didn't, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I got offended my.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But no, I had a little leg to our our
producer at a little effect after I think like toilet like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Anyway, let's introduce our guests have a toilet bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Way into m J.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, okay, okay, here's your here's your bio that we have.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I love that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So you have a podcast and you're still a TikToker
and you said that you mostly well I've seen your
tiktoks like mostly about like relationships, but also like you're
you have this thing where you said always with a
B delusional slash supermodel billionaire energy and you spent eight
years working as a model trained in acting, and you
(05:51):
have storytelling and performance strong foundation in that and you
create space for people to feel seen and laugh and heal,
especially those balancing ambitions of discovery and the messiness of
modern life. Welcome girl.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah years, Yeah, I was how were.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You since I was eighteen?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, you look amazing. Yeah she walked in.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I was like, okay, look at this, look at this.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thank you? Yeahs are later.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
If you tell me who you're maybe you don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh so natural. I don't even know what you're talking about.
Who told you that? Yeah, I appreciate that. No, it's
it's it takes a village. I will give you my
people's information.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Amazing. Please, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Like I was telling you guys, I got a facial
peal a couple of days ago, and today I was
putting on makeup and it was like not sticking to
my face and I was like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, okay, I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It looks really good.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, we can do like a.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Little you are do.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
But even just like that whole career, like coming from
that and like coming from modeling.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And now the digital space.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, I think today we wanted kind of talk
about just the mean girl energy that we see and
kind of just the energy and you push back on
that with your content. I feel like you really are
empowering people to be more themselves than to learn how
to like navigate different spaces like narcissism. Right, yeah, and
so how have you How did you even get started
in that? Like, what was your experience with how did
(07:20):
you go from I'm going to be a model. I'm
sure it's kind of obvious that you're in the industry
you like, but how did you start to create content
to combat all of that?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well? To start, I wasn't a very good model because
I hated it, but it was like my way of
getting to LA. I got signed to an agency out here,
and I was like, that's enough for me. Yeah, so
I moved here and did that for a little while.
I didn't really love it because I feel like my
strong suit is my personality and like the things that
(07:47):
I have to say, and modeling is kind of the
industry where it's like you are to be seen and
not heard, and that just never vibed with me. And
social media, I was like, you know I and also
in now, if you don't have a social media presence,
you're not gonna get gig that works, right, No, it's
like you have to be a nepo baby or you
have to be like you know Alex Cansani how she
(08:10):
like took TikTok and like now she's like a huge supermodel.
So you have to utilize social media. And I I
just now I use social media do what I love,
and that's to talk shit and like empower women to
have higher standards for themselves and to have more confidence
and stronger boundaries.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Particular people that really inspire, like for me, for example,
when you think when when I think of narcissism, I've
got some people in my head that I think about.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh yeah, I mean I came out of one, so
you came out of one. I know everyone says their
mom's a narcissist, but I just like my mom is.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Very like she.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Is. Yeah, do you know does she know that you
call her?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I haven't had a relationship with her since like I
was eleven, Okay, But I like, I I'm kind of
open with the with the struggles I've had with my family.
But at the same time, I don't like throwing them
under the bus too much, you know what I mean,
because I love them and I hope that they're well.
But like especially my mother is kind of like a textbook.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Nces well, I mean that's kind of what we're talking
about too, about how people are starting to throw everybody
on the under the bus, on the bus, throw them
on the bus, online the bus, off.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The bus, under the bus, the bus will be involved
and what's going down.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But like a lot of people, like your mom brought
up yesterday, how like there's this one creator that put
his whole family on blast on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I wonder if you've seen it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's it's this guy, and I feel like we've talked
about this before too. He found or somebody told him
that his cousins and his theas were talking shit about
him in a group chat, and so he called them
all out individually spilling their own like secrets and stuff
on TikTok, and you know, everybody knows who's listening so far,
(09:58):
Like I had a thing at the beginning of the
year where I found a group chat where my theos
were like talking shit about me on my birthday and
like fat shaming me. And then like, you know, recently,
this is like the.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Kind of what we want to get into. Oh oh yeah, yeah,
I totally put it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Online and and then I made a one woman show and.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Of people and watch sure did sure you do?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
You know you do?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
You know, but so it's like I guess what we
want to ask too. And I had this situation with recently.
I got a puppy and I dropped the puppy and
like the group chat of my neighbor, group chat, community chat, whatever,
and he's a little eccentric looking, right, And this girl
who's in the chat, who's my neighbor, decides to screenshot
(10:48):
it and make fun of him on TikTok this this
baby animal talking ship, Like it's so crazy about a
baby animal?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
H Like, what picture?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like, show her the picture of your baby.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Show Yet this is him now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's like even when a dog is it's like even
when a pizza is bad, it's still good, you know
what I mean. Like the dogs are even cuter when
they're a little ugly. Yes, yeah, it's like cute ugly.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But I'm and I will.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I think when he was first like a baby, like
he was a little bit you know, like whoa Like
it breaks me out when I first saw his pictures
because he it was like baby. But now he's growing
into his features, and it's like a picture is just
a picture experiencing him, Like I rall, we cuddle every night,
(11:56):
every morning.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
He's just so cuserable. Do you have to be to
make fun of a dog?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And also what was shitty is that she is like
trying to dictate and like, you know, the group chat, which,
like my friend and I started for when the fires started,
we wanted like some sort of communication.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
For the building.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
She's like, can we just talk about you know, building
issues in this for the safety and wellness of the community.
I go on that note?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Should I read the text?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hey, hey, listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
This is the thing? Is I go on that note?
You used to pick from this group I posted of
my dog to make fun of him on TikTok? Can
we keep things in this group chat private? Also, it
would have been fine if you had said something mean
about him in the group chat that TikTok was just
tacky girl. It wasn't even funny, like the probably the
most offensive thing was that it was like really bad.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It was so.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Funny a very elder chugy.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh you just have to pity then.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And yeah, I was like, you could have definitely asked
me before posting for the safety and helping improve where
we live as well. She was what safety, No information
was shared, only TikTok. You're bringing up a doct to
a gate, actually just improving conditions in the building. I'm like,
it's just rude and very mean. Girl, like, don't post
stuff from this chat publicly. It's weird and creepy. I
(13:17):
don't even know you, you don't know me. It's a boundary.
Please respect them. She's like, in other news, the building
is being mismanaged. Let's focus on that. If you have
an issue with my TikTok account that I never shared
with you, you can message me directly. Thanks, and I
hearted it. Guess how I found I found out about
this shit my neighbor, my other neighbor who's my friend.
She was at espresso in the Glendo No at the
(13:40):
Americana and one of the guys who works there used
to work or live in my building, and he told
her that this girl made a TikTok about my dog.
And then my friend told me, like, how is how
is this happening at an espresso shop in the fucking
Los Angeles, Glendell, California, about this fucking dumb ass girl
(14:02):
talking about a two month old puppy.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I know, and yeah, and that's horrible. But it's like
I think about how miserable you have to be, Like,
that's really sad.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
She used him as the thumbnail.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
They would be like if you, if you had they
had been funny something something private.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
If I send you anything, if I send you a
picture of my freaking big toe, privately, it's private.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But however, as your let's just say, we were like
super tight and I started to make fun of your
big toe and they were just really funny in private.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, not on TikTok, but they were super funny.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I feel like we would laugh about it, like you
would be like a funny joke is a funny joke?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, that's between us, and we have a gauge of
our relationship. But when you take it to public, she
doesn't know you like that. So that's a private fight
that you said, she doesn't know you like that. And
then she's gonna have the audacity and I'll even be funny.
Oh my god, your soul.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And then I called her out and she like gas
lit and deflected, No.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
She did, But it's like okay, And you also have
to think like when someone acts like that, I'm like,
oh my god, your parents must have been so bad
to you. Oh wow, that's amazing. I think when someone's
a mean girl to me, I just think, oh, your
mom must.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Have been about their parents.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think about that too, where I think about like, oh,
I actually was telling you, like in the car on
an LA traffic as we were talking about it, I
was like, I don't think some people are well. There
are some people that I just look at and I'm like,
I actually just don't get there. Well in their in
their minds, people aren't as an adult, don't you kind
of Let's say you called me out about let's say
your bunky toe.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
My immediate thing would be like, I.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Am so sorry that I heard your feelings about this
toe incident, and I will make amends and that like
what in your brain makes it so that you wouldn't
do that.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
It's also like.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
This is real life. This is not the internet. Like
once you were in the same building as me, Like
we're going to see each other pass by.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's real life.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I didn't meet you on the internet, not kiking like that.
We're not cool like that. Who the fuck do you
think you are to like come out of the gate
and post this fucking shit about somebody you don't even know.
Like I feel like it's like the bad side of
delusional where they think that they can just post on
the internet and then no consequences, And like I went
(16:19):
searching for her when like bitch, I found out from
other people I'd fucking I wasn't even down.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I would start like taking pictures of her when she's
like taking the trash on and looks shitty, and I
would like post it and be like like why do
you have stains on your sweats?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Like I said, a lot of time, this is what
we're talking about too though, right, like when does the
mean girl it's up?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And like why can't we just get to a place
where just as adults.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
That's the one thing too that I've noticed, by the way,
like just being out in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
People do not know how to be like what's up.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I'm not gonna not enough consequences. People are not getting
their ship rocked enough.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Saw this TikTok today from a therapist who was like,
you need to check people immediately immediately established about him.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Having strong boundaries like you you really do, because people
are what. There are not enough consequences going around Back
in my day, if you talk shit, you get hit
your ship. Do you suck around and you find out
when people fuck around to find out, I'm like good,
More people need to be finding out what happens when
you fuck around.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Even in a violent way. Like I wouldn't go like
like socks somebody in the face. I would just go
up to you and be like, what's up?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like what are you? What's going on? What's going on?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Seeing her around the building? I really do Also.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Like I would be literally I sunger, I was like
grandfather live in the same building as somebody that I
just blasted on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I would be scared, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm about to get my ass something severely. Like So
it's like you kind of you have to feel bad
for those people and also like yes, like the whole
consequences thing, but at the same time, like you can't
people like that. They're like energy vampires. They thrive off
of negative energy, which is why they do what they do,
Like they get like an adrenaline rush off of that.
(18:00):
It's probably because their childhood was fucked up and that's sad.
But at a certain point you have to take accountability
for your own life absolutely, so you can't give that
to them.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I ad to dip.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In, like wh when I see people talk about anything
that I've done, Like I know that they don't especially online,
like I know they don't know my character.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I know they don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
In person, exactly who I am in person like that
just would never be a conversation about my character at all.
And so it gets a place where you go, do
I address it? Do I even look at it? I
wish yesterday and I'm like, I can't see anything from
way up here. I'm living on mon olympus.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Like do you experience that too, where like people talk
about you and like what what without giving giving me
so much attention? But more like how do you handle it?
Like when is the time to stitch a fucking video?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
And when is the time just to alone?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I always I always think punching up and punching down.
If the person look at the person who's punching, are
they punching up? They're punching up usually, and that is
the circle of life. You're down here, You're gonna punch
up and that's the way that goes. I can't punch down,
Like you just have to acknowledge, like there's a reason
(19:04):
you're doing this. It's because you're insecure, it's because you
want views, it's because of whatever. And by giving you
the reaction you want, I am I'm operating at your
base level and that's just not where I'm at. So
like I can't, Like, you're punching up and that's what
you're gonna do. And you know, if I had your life,
(19:24):
maybe that's something I would feel inclined to do, but
I don't, and that's great for me.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's an Internet creator think.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's basically i'd be sad about it too.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I like this punching up ideas too, because you're right,
Like if I was like a big, huge megastar and
somebody was saying I'd be like, well, I don't give
a fuck.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's you and every other person.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Like it's like a balance because you you have to
look at it that way. But there are times when
I do as I want people. I especially want women
to feel encouraged to stand up for themselves and to
snap back when it's appropriate. So there does come times
when I'm like you know what I have the time today,
(20:03):
it's consequences time time. Usually I I will stitch and
I will straight up, especially if someone has a public
facing profile, and it be like, okay, well we that
was a decision. You have a public facing profile. Like
men used to leave They still do, actually I just
(20:25):
don't do this anymore. But they would leave comments on
some of my videos being like this girl is like
a five or light saysonthing mean about me or my appearance.
And they would have public profiles and I would take
their a photo of them and I would green screen
it and I would just show their face and I
would be like, you wanted attention, here's your attention. You're
going to be immortalized. I'm not going to say anything
(20:45):
mean about you, but your face speaks for itself. Yeah,
so here's your comment. Here's your face. I'm gonna let
everyone else say.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What they want to say. And it's so good, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'll be like, Okay, Bob from Chicago, let's give you the.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Attention you want about earlier too, like behind the scenes,
about like just bringing light to certain situations, you know,
just kind of people being called out for their behavior
in real time and learning because sometimes, like for me,
like I learned in real time when I was in
the seventh grade and I was being a little mean
gay and my best friend Ariya was like, you don't
have to be a bitch, and you can't come to
(21:18):
the mall with us, and they didn't bring me to
the mall. I learned in real time that I had
to be I could be gay, but I didn't have.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
To be like a caddy gay, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I think that when people don't have those life
lessons and we have to learn them publicly, like it's unfortunate.
But at the same time, like, come on, y'all, get
it together.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, And I want women to feel like they can
be a bitch, you know what I mean if someone
tries you be a fucking bitch.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Are your cancer?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
H let's get into.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Let's getting into it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Welcome to the zodiac portion of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They've been trying to guess my zodiac and there's been
three guesses.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm like, are you piss Rising?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Wait? I already guessed.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
She said no, but you guess she was guessing Rising.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, but I feel like Aquarius Moon Wow.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Okay, okay, okay, I just you're giving Leo a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh okay, so good at guessing that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Okay, the rising Leo, I have Scorpion energy.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But now, oh Virgo, no, I guess that already.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I feel like it's going to make sense.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You guess okay. Leo's sign Capricorn quus. Wow. I was like,
there's got to the earth in there.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
But you know where a couple of course.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Wow, yeah, I mean definitely, Leo, I can see it
all for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You kind of called it. You're like, once I tell you,
you're going to be like, oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think it's giving Leo August tenth.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Okay, I'm August twenty nine. I think it might be
August energy.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, August when you like, I feel like Urgos and
Leo's would sometimes I don't do this thing where they're like, yeah,
you know, my face was coming off earlier, but your
makeup spallless, like nobody sees it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's just like the small I literally was like, I
need to sit here. This is my good side. I
mean I don't need to, but I greatly prefer it. Yeah,
and sorry, I got a facial peel. My face is
falling off toughly doesn't look like it. Yeah, I share
a birthday with Kylie Jenner.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Barack Obama.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I love.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No like to two super minor kind of I don't
even want to say. I think mine's like by Teresa.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Not really a haughty but mother Teresa is a hotty.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
She's done great stuff with.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Listen to the world. I heard she was like, who
is it? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's almost like human beings aren't perfect. I'm not a
Mother Teresa defender because I don't know what she did,
you know what I mean. It's just like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Everybody apologize toxic behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's the whole.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But honestly, and I headline, you know what, write it credit. Yeah,
I don't care what she did, but you're just going
to stick together. Was she You don't know what they did.
Maybe they posted her dog in the grip shop.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Maybe and we don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
We don't know what happened. You got to have the
we just spiral like moather Teresa over here. But do
you have any people on your birthday?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Elton John Franklin.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I love performers, Queen.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Harry or what's her name? What's her actress name Parker.
I love.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Unproblematic queens. Frankly, yeah, I love I love a fire sign.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Some people say is kind of mean a little bit.
That's what I'm saying. We were about earlier. I mean, look,
here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's kind of hard because you'll meet some people and
you're like, they were so lovely, and then you just
hear all these whispers.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
You're like, who's the who's the mean girl on this? Well?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Okay, so I'm a villain in many people's story, right,
and like, but that's not how I remember it. So
you can only really go based on your personal encounters people.
In my opinion, I'll literally be.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
A villain in people's stories that I had no idea
I was a villain it.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'm like, thinking about you, I don't know like that.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm like, we interacted twice in.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The I had a coffee shop one. Yes, you know
what I mean. But so it's like, but there's also
situations where I've had encounters with people and I'm like, damn,
did they hate me? And then it's like their mom,
you know. Just like there's so many layers to everything
that I just I only rely on my personal encounters
with people, and even then, like I don't even if
someone's like weird to me, I'm like, that's probably something
(25:46):
going on with them, because why would they Why would
it be me?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I mean, you know, I always try to give people
We're all going through our things at the same time,
just in different ways, and people are awkward. I just
think I have this theory that like everybody gets handed
to laptop like our brains, right, and it's like some
laptops are from nineteen ninety four somewhere from two thousand
and one five, And then we're all given like this
programming like Photoshop blah blah blah, and we're all expected
(26:10):
to program in the same way and we all don't
have the same hardware to function with the same software.
So then how are we going to understand each other? Like, yeah,
if my brain is literally morph differently every time I'm traumatized,
and then yours is too, and we have to understand
each other, how.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Would we not?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And then you look at like different cultures, like in
one culture something is considered polite and another culture it's
considered rude. Absolutely, you know, like in Korean culture, like
looking elders in the eye, for like, that's not us
considered rude. But it's like in some cultures, not looking
someone in the eye would consider Oh, I.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Get offended people don't look at me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Or because that might be invasive some people. It's just
it's very common sea we.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Don't look me in the eye. I get very offended.
I'm like, you don't want to look a gig guy
in the eye.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, hit on you.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I get so mad, like so offended, and they're like, yeah, yea,
I'm just shy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And that's probably valid. But and for some people it's
like respect thing and it's just or some people are autistic.
You don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
In Latin culture, by the way, when you come to
somebody's house, we always say like or like a party,
a family's party. Like we'll say like saludan, like whoever
arrives late has to say hi. Like so let's say
you arrive, we have you have to come to head us.
If I arrive, I have to come to y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Unless it's a one.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Time your party, We're like, nobody's getting up to say hi.
I'm like, what do you mean remember at your house?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What did I say?
Speaker 5 (27:28):
You don't even.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Remember see wait, somebody me or what.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
No, we were at your house at a party and
this girl came in late.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Unless they're an elder or something with an elder.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
She was on elder.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Oh you know what. You're right, you're right, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I didn't get up because of the rule.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'm going to take it back because i'd always get up.
I don't get it. Well, I always get up.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You can be perfect, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But the other one that I do is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
When you have to bring people around us ahead everybody,
So like, I K you have to stay hi. So
like if you, let's say, like a significant other brings
you to a family party, they have to introduce you
to everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
They have to bring you around.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh yeah, I think that's and if you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
They're like they're they're conceded. Yeah, they're stuck up, and
you're like, I'm just really shy. I didn't make eye
contact with the GA guy over there, and he thought
I hated him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, Like, my partner is very shy, and so I
would like I think maybe some people would read him
as being like rude or but it's like, no, he's
just very Yeah, what is the sign he is a Gemini,
but we don't hold it against him.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh, we do not trash Gemini this podcast. Yeah, I
mean Capricorn's a little bit, but.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Really yeah, I mean Capricorn meant most of trage Capricorn.
I was, I was reading him his celebrity like who
because of course he's not subscribed at the zodiac because
he's he's a street man. But I was reading him
all the celebrities. I was like, Geminis are crazy, and
he's like, I don't think so. And I was like
Donald Trump, Kanye West, Naomi Campbell, a Zelia Banks.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And he was like, okay, yeah, you know, but they're
also so fun and so cuddly.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think it depends on what there Matt Astrology, the podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Your Truth. Okay, I'm I'm I'm dating a Gemini. I'm
open minded.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, I'm like, they're oh, they're sweet and kind, they
make great art, they do make.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But I think that's a better compliment.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, your contributions to society or are grand, even though
you might be a little crazy. But I think that
that that expunges you from your crazy, your craziness.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I do want to ask you to before we head out, like,
what would you say is I know you like to
empower women. What would you say would be the one
thing that in terms of your content, in terms of
your message, I want to know what your favorite thing
to talk about is, but also what do you feel
like would be like your message that you would want
people to know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I believe that women have always been I think women
have obviously been greatly oppressed and subjugated, and it's going
to take us a while to rewind the conditioning that
has been prevalent for hundreds and hundreds of years. But women,
I think, are just like we deserve it all. And
(30:24):
I think that's only going to We're only going to
be able to begin to unwind the conditioning once we
all on it from as individuals and in our communities
and in our friendships and our relationships start to demand
the most. I think when you demand the most for
yourself as a woman, you are also making things better
for all the women around you, you know what I mean.
So having self confidence is better for other women, not
(30:46):
just yourself. Having strong boundaries is better for other women,
not yourself, not just yourself. Having high standards when it
comes to dating is better for all women, not just yourself,
Like when you make those positive decisions as an individual,
as a woman, it benefits all women.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Absolutely. I love that. I was getting the chills.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I was like, I agree, Yeah, it's not like just
about when you're like, your confidence isn't just about you,
like it's about everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, it's rebellion. It's literally it's a reckoning against the
hundreds of years that we've been oppressed. Like you, that's
how you start in your own personal behavior, and it's hard.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I just went to this power women's power summit and
it was so amazing. Just I mean, first of all,
I was like, I'm the probably one of the only
gay dudes like just chilling. They one the only guys chilling.
So I'm super honored to just be in the space.
But just hearing women talk to each other and power
one another and be like, y'all really should be taken
over the world, like it was.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So I think we need to run the world. At
the very least, we need to have equal parts representation
in all all positions of power. And I think that
if women tomorrow ran the world completely alongside gay men,
the world would look very different, very different, Like a world.
(31:56):
A world's a part of how it looks now, and
I think that would not be a negative thing. I
think that'd be a positive.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Absolutely, Thank you so much for being absolutely podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yes, I have my own podcast. It's called The Man
Eater Podcast, and I'm so excited about it. It's been
so much fun to create and and it's out now.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I want to come many on your podcast?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Would you come many with me? We have a fresh
man every episode.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I would love to.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, just shout out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I just don't. I don't understand, man, I don't. I
feel like I'm cursed that I have to like them
and be attracted to them.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's you know, it is a curse.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Most people big.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
As men in an airplane once and I was like,
oh they're I't like it. It like switched up.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I was like, it's self harm. But but I people
find you on social media. I am Texas Garden Ferry
on almost all platforms except for Instagram. On that one,
I'm m J Gray Underscore Underscore.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
So much for coming to the Treehouse and hanging with them.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Thanks for how much guys, I had so much fun work.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Can people find you on social media?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You can find me at Maya in the moment, m
a ya in the moment. Anywhere you scroll what about you,
you can.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Find me at the Curly v Show on Instagram and
TikTok and yeah that's.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Pretty much yeah, I would say, and thank you so
much for listening and watching another episode of The Super
Secret bestI Club Podcast. Thank you.
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I think when you demand the most for yourself as
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the women.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
For me, for example, when you think when I think
of narcissism, I've got some people in.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
My head there, I think.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
And this girl who's in the chat, who's my neighbor,
decides to screenshot it and make fun of him on TikTok.
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If someone tries you be a fucking bitch.
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Welcome to another episode of The Super Secret Bestie Club Podcast.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Yea, we have MJ. Gray here, MJ.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
A Ray with an a yeah, because who wouldn't expell
that someone did? Someone did once and they knew it's
everywhere on my socials, But I was so excited to
be absolutely.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We do a little thing called How's your spirit and
basically like we just want to know any updates, like
how's your heart doing, how's your spirit doing?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Where are you at?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It's so good. I feel like I all all of
my energy manifestations has been coming into into fruition in
the last like four or five months. Yes, so things
are just like super super good.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Has you changed your way and how you're manifesting.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I've always just been like full on delusion, Like I
truly believe that you have to fully believe in a reality.
You have to feel like you're already in it, and
then everyone else around you is going to think you're crazy.
And you just have to have so much can fiction
that you just stay in it kind of and then
it just happens like you get to design it in
your mind.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You have to be I mean, it's kind of outdated
to say de Ululu maybe, but it's like you do
have to be the Lulu.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
You got to be Delulu, like you got to really.
I think I think most people don't even understand the
word delusion and what it truly means.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You have to be deep, deep, deep into like deep
self belief.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, I've been like manifesting extra and what I've been doing.
Is I pray. I've been praying every day.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, that's a form of manifestation.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And in my prayers, I say it whatever I want
in the present tense.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You have to do that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
But I do an extra where.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I listen to music that makes me feel so I
can see it, you know, like a song will make
you feel hot, a song will make you feel rich,
A song will make you feel.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Minus seven rings my aeron?
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Oh is it?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Like I want it? I got it, I want it,
I got it.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
All.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
And you have to give yourself permission like you have to.
You can't like listening to that song. I'm like, it's
just about material things. And I'm like, you know what,
yeah it is? Yeah, and then what and then and
then what what if I want to thing?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Is that?
Speaker 5 (03:06):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yes, it's okay, get yourself Okay it is that's other
thing too, like and but tell me how like your
spirit's doing.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
And then I just flew in from Phoenix today morning.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
She's my spirit.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Spirit, I am a spirit. I flew American. But something's
been happening with you know obviously, like the airplanes and
airports and like the airlines where like I've been getting
first class on American and it's the same price as Southwest. Yeah,
(03:41):
it just I don't know, Like, well, maybe it's because
I fly out a burbank to Phoenix, Like maybe it's
a very specific thing and it's like a charter plane.
But I'm like, I'm gonna do first class every time
if it's going to be the same as another airline.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Theers are like that too. Now Uber blacks are the
same price as Uber exs. Yes, yeah, what's going.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
On after the dollar more or so thing?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:01):
So my spirits a little all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
But which is kind of like what we're going to
get into with this topic because you've kind of had
a little bit of a weird week.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Yes, well how's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Oh, my spirit's good, you know, just manifesting and doing
the thing and hanging out. And I had amazing sex
like two nights ago. One of those were like you
get thrown into every position and you're like whoa, and
then we ate sushi and then we just kept.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Going and shi. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I was like spirit.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, it was just one of those where I was
like this documentary, this Diddy documentary is crazy.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
You watched did you documentary?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
While you're gonna walk.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I actually made him change it because I was like,
this might not be I was like, number one, I
want to focus and I can't.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I can't do both. I was like, can we change
it when we end up putting? We ended up changing
it to something, but I was like, we want on
the chocolate factory.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I don't know if chocolate factory is appropriate
for a Sorry, by the way, I don't know if
you I.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Didn't, I didn't know.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
I got offended my.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But no, I had a little leg to our our
producer at a little effect after I think like toilet like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Anyway, let's introduce our guests have a toilet bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Way into m J.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, okay, okay, here's your here's your bio that we have.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Well, I love that.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
So you have a podcast and you're still a TikToker
and you said that you mostly well I've seen your
tiktoks like mostly about like relationships, but also like you're
you have this thing where you said always with a
B delusional slash supermodel billionaire energy and you spent eight
years working as a model trained in acting, and you
(05:51):
have storytelling and performance strong foundation in that and you
create space for people to feel seen and laugh and heal,
especially those balancing ambitions of discovery and the messiness of
modern life. Welcome girl.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Yeah years, Yeah, I was how were.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
You since I was eighteen?
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Okay, you look amazing. Yeah she walked in.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I was like, okay, look at this, look at this.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Thank you? Yeahs are later.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
If you tell me who you're maybe you don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Oh so natural. I don't even know what you're talking about.
Who told you that? Yeah, I appreciate that. No, it's
it's it takes a village. I will give you my
people's information.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Amazing. Please, it's a lot.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Like I was telling you guys, I got a facial
peal a couple of days ago, and today I was
putting on makeup and it was like not sticking to
my face and I was like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
It was so good.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, okay, I'm glad.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It looks really good.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, we can do like a.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Little you are do.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
But even just like that whole career, like coming from
that and like coming from modeling.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And now the digital space.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, I think today we wanted kind of talk
about just the mean girl energy that we see and
kind of just the energy and you push back on
that with your content. I feel like you really are
empowering people to be more themselves than to learn how
to like navigate different spaces like narcissism. Right, yeah, and
so how have you How did you even get started
in that? Like, what was your experience with how did
(07:20):
you go from I'm going to be a model. I'm
sure it's kind of obvious that you're in the industry
you like, but how did you start to create content
to combat all of that?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Well? To start, I wasn't a very good model because
I hated it, but it was like my way of
getting to LA. I got signed to an agency out here,
and I was like, that's enough for me. Yeah, so
I moved here and did that for a little while.
I didn't really love it because I feel like my
strong suit is my personality and like the things that
(07:47):
I have to say, and modeling is kind of the
industry where it's like you are to be seen and
not heard, and that just never vibed with me. And
social media, I was like, you know I and also
in now, if you don't have a social media presence,
you're not gonna get gig that works, right, No, it's
like you have to be a nepo baby or you
have to be like you know Alex Cansani how she
(08:10):
like took TikTok and like now she's like a huge supermodel.
So you have to utilize social media. And I I
just now I use social media do what I love,
and that's to talk shit and like empower women to
have higher standards for themselves and to have more confidence
and stronger boundaries.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Particular people that really inspire, like for me, for example,
when you think when when I think of narcissism, I've
got some people in my head that I think about.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh yeah, I mean I came out of one, so
you came out of one. I know everyone says their
mom's a narcissist, but I just like my mom is.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Very like she.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Is. Yeah, do you know does she know that you
call her?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I haven't had a relationship with her since like I
was eleven, Okay, But I like, I I'm kind of
open with the with the struggles I've had with my family.
But at the same time, I don't like throwing them
under the bus too much, you know what I mean,
because I love them and I hope that they're well.
But like especially my mother is kind of like a textbook.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Nces well, I mean that's kind of what we're talking
about too, about how people are starting to throw everybody
on the under the bus, on the bus, throw them
on the bus, online the bus, off.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
The bus, under the bus, the bus will be involved
and what's going down.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But like a lot of people, like your mom brought
up yesterday, how like there's this one creator that put
his whole family on blast on TikTok.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I wonder if you've seen it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
It's it's this guy, and I feel like we've talked
about this before too. He found or somebody told him
that his cousins and his theas were talking shit about
him in a group chat, and so he called them
all out individually spilling their own like secrets and stuff
on TikTok, and you know, everybody knows who's listening so far,
(09:58):
Like I had a thing at the beginning of the
year where I found a group chat where my theos
were like talking shit about me on my birthday and
like fat shaming me. And then like, you know, recently,
this is like the.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Kind of what we want to get into. Oh oh yeah, yeah,
I totally put it.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Online and and then I made a one woman show and.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Of people and watch sure did sure you do?
Speaker 5 (10:24):
You know you do?
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
You know, but so it's like I guess what we
want to ask too. And I had this situation with recently.
I got a puppy and I dropped the puppy and
like the group chat of my neighbor, group chat, community chat, whatever,
and he's a little eccentric looking, right, And this girl
who's in the chat, who's my neighbor, decides to screenshot
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it and make fun of him on TikTok this this
baby animal talking ship, Like it's so crazy about a
baby animal?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
H Like, what picture?
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Like, show her the picture of your baby.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Show Yet this is him now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
It's like even when a dog is it's like even
when a pizza is bad, it's still good, you know
what I mean. Like the dogs are even cuter when
they're a little ugly. Yes, yeah, it's like cute ugly.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
But I'm and I will.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I think when he was first like a baby, like
he was a little bit you know, like whoa Like
it breaks me out when I first saw his pictures
because he it was like baby. But now he's growing
into his features, and it's like a picture is just
a picture experiencing him, Like I rall, we cuddle every night,
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every morning.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
He's just so cuserable. Do you have to be to
make fun of a dog?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And also what was shitty is that she is like
trying to dictate and like, you know, the group chat, which,
like my friend and I started for when the fires started,
we wanted like some sort of communication.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
For the building.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
She's like, can we just talk about you know, building
issues in this for the safety and wellness of the community.
I go on that note?
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Should I read the text?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Hey, hey, listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
This is the thing? Is I go on that note?
You used to pick from this group I posted of
my dog to make fun of him on TikTok? Can
we keep things in this group chat private? Also, it
would have been fine if you had said something mean
about him in the group chat that TikTok was just
tacky girl. It wasn't even funny, like the probably the
most offensive thing was that it was like really bad.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
It was so.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Funny a very elder chugy.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Oh you just have to pity then.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And yeah, I was like, you could have definitely asked
me before posting for the safety and helping improve where
we live as well. She was what safety, No information
was shared, only TikTok. You're bringing up a doct to
a gate, actually just improving conditions in the building. I'm like,
it's just rude and very mean. Girl, like, don't post
stuff from this chat publicly. It's weird and creepy. I
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don't even know you, you don't know me. It's a boundary.
Please respect them. She's like, in other news, the building
is being mismanaged. Let's focus on that. If you have
an issue with my TikTok account that I never shared
with you, you can message me directly. Thanks, and I
hearted it. Guess how I found I found out about
this shit my neighbor, my other neighbor who's my friend.
She was at espresso in the Glendo No at the
(13:40):
Americana and one of the guys who works there used
to work or live in my building, and he told
her that this girl made a TikTok about my dog.
And then my friend told me, like, how is how
is this happening at an espresso shop in the fucking
Los Angeles, Glendell, California, about this fucking dumb ass girl
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talking about a two month old puppy.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I know, and yeah, and that's horrible. But it's like
I think about how miserable you have to be, Like,
that's really sad.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
She used him as the thumbnail.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
They would be like if you, if you had they
had been funny something something private.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
If I send you anything, if I send you a
picture of my freaking big toe, privately, it's private.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
But however, as your let's just say, we were like
super tight and I started to make fun of your
big toe and they were just really funny in private.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
No, not on TikTok, but they were super funny.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
I feel like we would laugh about it, like you
would be like a funny joke is a funny joke?
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Well, that's between us, and we have a gauge of
our relationship. But when you take it to public, she
doesn't know you like that. So that's a private fight
that you said, she doesn't know you like that. And
then she's gonna have the audacity and I'll even be funny.
Oh my god, your soul.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
And then I called her out and she like gas
lit and deflected, No.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
She did, But it's like okay, And you also have
to think like when someone acts like that, I'm like,
oh my god, your parents must have been so bad
to you. Oh wow, that's amazing. I think when someone's
a mean girl to me, I just think, oh, your
mom must.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Have been about their parents.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I think about that too, where I think about like, oh,
I actually was telling you, like in the car on
an LA traffic as we were talking about it, I
was like, I don't think some people are well. There
are some people that I just look at and I'm like,
I actually just don't get there. Well in their in
their minds, people aren't as an adult, don't you kind
of Let's say you called me out about let's say
your bunky toe.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
My immediate thing would be like, I.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Am so sorry that I heard your feelings about this
toe incident, and I will make amends and that like
what in your brain makes it so that you wouldn't
do that.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
It's also like.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
This is real life. This is not the internet. Like
once you were in the same building as me, Like
we're going to see each other pass by.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
That's real life.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I didn't meet you on the internet, not kiking like that.
We're not cool like that. Who the fuck do you
think you are to like come out of the gate
and post this fucking shit about somebody you don't even know.
Like I feel like it's like the bad side of
delusional where they think that they can just post on
the internet and then no consequences, And like I went
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searching for her when like bitch, I found out from
other people I'd fucking I wasn't even down.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I would start like taking pictures of her when she's
like taking the trash on and looks shitty, and I
would like post it and be like like why do
you have stains on your sweats?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Like I said, a lot of time, this is what
we're talking about too though, right, like when does the
mean girl it's up?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And like why can't we just get to a place
where just as adults.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
That's the one thing too that I've noticed, by the way,
like just being out in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
People do not know how to be like what's up.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I'm not gonna not enough consequences. People are not getting
their ship rocked enough.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Saw this TikTok today from a therapist who was like,
you need to check people immediately immediately established about him.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Having strong boundaries like you you really do, because people
are what. There are not enough consequences going around Back
in my day, if you talk shit, you get hit
your ship. Do you suck around and you find out
when people fuck around to find out, I'm like good,
More people need to be finding out what happens when
you fuck around.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Even in a violent way. Like I wouldn't go like
like socks somebody in the face. I would just go
up to you and be like, what's up?
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Like what are you? What's going on? What's going on?
What are we talking about?
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Seeing her around the building? I really do Also.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Like I would be literally I sunger, I was like
grandfather live in the same building as somebody that I
just blasted on TikTok.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I would be scared, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (17:40):
I'm about to get my ass something severely. Like So
it's like you kind of you have to feel bad
for those people and also like yes, like the whole
consequences thing, but at the same time, like you can't
people like that. They're like energy vampires. They thrive off
of negative energy, which is why they do what they do,
Like they get like an adrenaline rush off of that.
(18:00):
It's probably because their childhood was fucked up and that's sad.
But at a certain point you have to take accountability
for your own life absolutely, so you can't give that
to them.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
I ad to dip.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
In, like wh when I see people talk about anything
that I've done, Like I know that they don't especially online,
like I know they don't know my character.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I know they don't know who I am.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
In person, exactly who I am in person like that
just would never be a conversation about my character at all.
And so it gets a place where you go, do
I address it? Do I even look at it? I
wish yesterday and I'm like, I can't see anything from
way up here. I'm living on mon olympus.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Like do you experience that too, where like people talk
about you and like what what without giving giving me
so much attention? But more like how do you handle it?
Like when is the time to stitch a fucking video?
Speaker 5 (18:42):
And when is the time just to alone?
Speaker 1 (18:44):
I always I always think punching up and punching down.
If the person look at the person who's punching, are
they punching up? They're punching up usually, and that is
the circle of life. You're down here, You're gonna punch
up and that's the way that goes. I can't punch down,
Like you just have to acknowledge, like there's a reason
(19:04):
you're doing this. It's because you're insecure, it's because you
want views, it's because of whatever. And by giving you
the reaction you want, I am I'm operating at your
base level and that's just not where I'm at. So
like I can't, Like, you're punching up and that's what
you're gonna do. And you know, if I had your life,
(19:24):
maybe that's something I would feel inclined to do, but
I don't, and that's great for me.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
That's an Internet creator think.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's basically i'd be sad about it too.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, I like this punching up ideas too, because you're right,
Like if I was like a big, huge megastar and
somebody was saying I'd be like, well, I don't give
a fuck.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
It's you and every other person.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Like it's like a balance because you you have to
look at it that way. But there are times when
I do as I want people. I especially want women
to feel encouraged to stand up for themselves and to
snap back when it's appropriate. So there does come times
when I'm like you know what I have the time today,
(20:03):
it's consequences time time. Usually I I will stitch and
I will straight up, especially if someone has a public
facing profile, and it be like, okay, well we that
was a decision. You have a public facing profile. Like
men used to leave They still do, actually I just
(20:25):
don't do this anymore. But they would leave comments on
some of my videos being like this girl is like
a five or light saysonthing mean about me or my appearance.
And they would have public profiles and I would take
their a photo of them and I would green screen
it and I would just show their face and I
would be like, you wanted attention, here's your attention. You're
going to be immortalized. I'm not going to say anything
(20:45):
mean about you, but your face speaks for itself. Yeah,
so here's your comment. Here's your face. I'm gonna let
everyone else say.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
What they want to say. And it's so good, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
I'll be like, Okay, Bob from Chicago, let's give you the.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Attention you want about earlier too, like behind the scenes,
about like just bringing light to certain situations, you know,
just kind of people being called out for their behavior
in real time and learning because sometimes, like for me,
like I learned in real time when I was in
the seventh grade and I was being a little mean
gay and my best friend Ariya was like, you don't
have to be a bitch, and you can't come to
(21:18):
the mall with us, and they didn't bring me to
the mall. I learned in real time that I had
to be I could be gay, but I didn't have.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
To be like a caddy gay, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And I think that when people don't have those life
lessons and we have to learn them publicly, like it's unfortunate.
But at the same time, like, come on, y'all, get
it together.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Yeah, And I want women to feel like they can
be a bitch, you know what I mean if someone
tries you be a fucking bitch.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Are your cancer?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
H let's get into.
Speaker 5 (22:07):
Let's getting into it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Welcome to the zodiac portion of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
They've been trying to guess my zodiac and there's been
three guesses.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'm like, are you piss Rising?
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Wait? I already guessed.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
She said no, but you guess she was guessing Rising.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
Yeah, but I feel like Aquarius Moon Wow.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Okay, okay, okay, I just you're giving Leo a little bit.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh okay, so good at guessing that.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Okay, the rising Leo, I have Scorpion energy.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
But now, oh Virgo, no, I guess that already.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I feel like it's going to make sense.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
You guess okay. Leo's sign Capricorn quus. Wow. I was like,
there's got to the earth in there.
Speaker 5 (23:01):
But you know where a couple of course.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Wow, yeah, I mean definitely, Leo, I can see it
all for sure.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You kind of called it. You're like, once I tell you,
you're going to be like, oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
I think it's giving Leo August tenth.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Okay, I'm August twenty nine. I think it might be
August energy.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, August when you like, I feel like Urgos and
Leo's would sometimes I don't do this thing where they're like, yeah,
you know, my face was coming off earlier, but your
makeup spallless, like nobody sees it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's just like the small I literally was like, I
need to sit here. This is my good side. I
mean I don't need to, but I greatly prefer it. Yeah,
and sorry, I got a facial peel. My face is
falling off toughly doesn't look like it. Yeah, I share
a birthday with Kylie Jenner.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Barack Obama.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
I love.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
No like to two super minor kind of I don't
even want to say. I think mine's like by Teresa.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Not really a haughty but mother Teresa is a hotty.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
She's done great stuff with.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Listen to the world. I heard she was like, who
is it? Who is it?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's almost like human beings aren't perfect. I'm not a
Mother Teresa defender because I don't know what she did,
you know what I mean. It's just like.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Everybody apologize toxic behavior.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
That's the whole.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
But honestly, and I headline, you know what, write it credit. Yeah,
I don't care what she did, but you're just going
to stick together. Was she You don't know what they did.
Maybe they posted her dog in the grip shop.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Maybe and we don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
We don't know what happened. You got to have the
we just spiral like moather Teresa over here. But do
you have any people on your birthday?
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Elton John Franklin.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I love performers, Queen.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Harry or what's her name? What's her actress name Parker.
I love.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Unproblematic queens. Frankly, yeah, I love I love a fire sign.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Some people say is kind of mean a little bit.
That's what I'm saying. We were about earlier. I mean, look,
here's my thing.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
It's kind of hard because you'll meet some people and
you're like, they were so lovely, and then you just
hear all these whispers.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
You're like, who's the who's the mean girl on this? Well?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Okay, so I'm a villain in many people's story, right,
and like, but that's not how I remember it. So
you can only really go based on your personal encounters people.
In my opinion, I'll literally be.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
A villain in people's stories that I had no idea
I was a villain it.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
I'm like, thinking about you, I don't know like that.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, I'm like, we interacted twice in.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
The I had a coffee shop one. Yes, you know
what I mean. But so it's like, but there's also
situations where I've had encounters with people and I'm like, damn,
did they hate me? And then it's like their mom,
you know. Just like there's so many layers to everything
that I just I only rely on my personal encounters
with people, and even then, like I don't even if
someone's like weird to me, I'm like, that's probably something
(25:46):
going on with them, because why would they Why would
it be me?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I mean, you know, I always try to give people
We're all going through our things at the same time,
just in different ways, and people are awkward. I just
think I have this theory that like everybody gets handed
to laptop like our brains, right, and it's like some
laptops are from nineteen ninety four somewhere from two thousand
and one five, And then we're all given like this
programming like Photoshop blah blah blah, and we're all expected
(26:10):
to program in the same way and we all don't
have the same hardware to function with the same software.
So then how are we going to understand each other? Like, yeah,
if my brain is literally morph differently every time I'm traumatized,
and then yours is too, and we have to understand
each other, how.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
Would we not?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
And then you look at like different cultures, like in
one culture something is considered polite and another culture it's
considered rude. Absolutely, you know, like in Korean culture, like
looking elders in the eye, for like, that's not us
considered rude. But it's like in some cultures, not looking
someone in the eye would consider Oh, I.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
Get offended people don't look at me in the eye.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Or because that might be invasive some people. It's just
it's very common sea we.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Don't look me in the eye. I get very offended.
I'm like, you don't want to look a gig guy
in the eye.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, hit on you.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I get so mad, like so offended, and they're like, yeah, yea,
I'm just shy.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And that's probably valid. But and for some people it's
like respect thing and it's just or some people are autistic.
You don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
In Latin culture, by the way, when you come to
somebody's house, we always say like or like a party,
a family's party. Like we'll say like saludan, like whoever
arrives late has to say hi. Like so let's say
you arrive, we have you have to come to head us.
If I arrive, I have to come to y'all.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Unless it's a one.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Time your party, We're like, nobody's getting up to say hi.
I'm like, what do you mean remember at your house?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What did I say?
Speaker 5 (27:28):
You don't even.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Remember see wait, somebody me or what.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
No, we were at your house at a party and
this girl came in late.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
Unless they're an elder or something with an elder.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
She was on elder.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Oh you know what. You're right, you're right, that's true.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
I didn't get up because of the rule.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I'm going to take it back because i'd always get up.
I don't get it. Well, I always get up.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You can be perfect, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But the other one that I do is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
When you have to bring people around us ahead everybody,
So like, I K you have to stay hi. So
like if you, let's say, like a significant other brings
you to a family party, they have to introduce you
to everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
They have to bring you around.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Oh yeah, I think that's and if you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
They're like they're they're conceded. Yeah, they're stuck up, and
you're like, I'm just really shy. I didn't make eye
contact with the GA guy over there, and he thought
I hated him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, Like, my partner is very shy, and so I
would like I think maybe some people would read him
as being like rude or but it's like, no, he's
just very Yeah, what is the sign he is a Gemini,
but we don't hold it against him.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh, we do not trash Gemini this podcast. Yeah, I
mean Capricorn's a little bit, but.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Really yeah, I mean Capricorn meant most of trage Capricorn.
I was, I was reading him his celebrity like who
because of course he's not subscribed at the zodiac because
he's he's a street man. But I was reading him
all the celebrities. I was like, Geminis are crazy, and
he's like, I don't think so. And I was like
Donald Trump, Kanye West, Naomi Campbell, a Zelia Banks.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
And he was like, okay, yeah, you know, but they're
also so fun and so cuddly.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I think it depends on what there Matt Astrology, the podcast.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Your Truth. Okay, I'm I'm I'm dating a Gemini. I'm
open minded.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, I'm like, they're oh, they're sweet and kind, they
make great art, they do make.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
But I think that's a better compliment.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I like that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, your contributions to society or are grand, even though
you might be a little crazy. But I think that
that that expunges you from your crazy, your craziness.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I do want to ask you to before we head out, like,
what would you say is I know you like to
empower women. What would you say would be the one
thing that in terms of your content, in terms of
your message, I want to know what your favorite thing
to talk about is, but also what do you feel
like would be like your message that you would want
people to know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I believe that women have always been I think women
have obviously been greatly oppressed and subjugated, and it's going
to take us a while to rewind the conditioning that
has been prevalent for hundreds and hundreds of years. But women,
I think, are just like we deserve it all. And
(30:24):
I think that's only going to We're only going to
be able to begin to unwind the conditioning once we
all on it from as individuals and in our communities
and in our friendships and our relationships start to demand
the most. I think when you demand the most for
yourself as a woman, you are also making things better
for all the women around you, you know what I mean.
So having self confidence is better for other women, not
(30:46):
just yourself. Having strong boundaries is better for other women,
not yourself, not just yourself. Having high standards when it
comes to dating is better for all women, not just yourself,
Like when you make those positive decisions as an individual,
as a woman, it benefits all women.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Absolutely. I love that. I was getting the chills.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I was like, I agree, Yeah, it's not like just
about when you're like, your confidence isn't just about you,
like it's about everybody.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yeah, it's rebellion. It's literally it's a reckoning against the
hundreds of years that we've been oppressed. Like you, that's
how you start in your own personal behavior, and it's hard.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
I just went to this power women's power summit and
it was so amazing. Just I mean, first of all,
I was like, I'm the probably one of the only
gay dudes like just chilling. They one the only guys chilling.
So I'm super honored to just be in the space.
But just hearing women talk to each other and power
one another and be like, y'all really should be taken
over the world, like it was.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
So I think we need to run the world. At
the very least, we need to have equal parts representation
in all all positions of power. And I think that
if women tomorrow ran the world completely alongside gay men,
the world would look very different, very different, Like a world.
(31:56):
A world's a part of how it looks now, and
I think that would not be a negative thing. I
think that'd be a positive.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
Absolutely, Thank you so much for being absolutely podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yes, I have my own podcast. It's called The Man
Eater Podcast, and I'm so excited about it. It's been
so much fun to create and and it's out now.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I want to come many on your podcast?
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Would you come many with me? We have a fresh
man every episode.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I would love to.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes, just shout out.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I just don't. I don't understand, man, I don't. I
feel like I'm cursed that I have to like them
and be attracted to them.
Speaker 5 (32:31):
It's you know, it is a curse.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Most people big.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
As men in an airplane once and I was like,
oh they're I't like it. It like switched up.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I was like, it's self harm. But but I people
find you on social media. I am Texas Garden Ferry
on almost all platforms except for Instagram. On that one,
I'm m J Gray Underscore Underscore.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
So much for coming to the Treehouse and hanging with them.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Thanks for how much guys, I had so much fun work.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Can people find you on social media?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
You can find me at Maya in the moment, m
a ya in the moment. Anywhere you scroll what about you,
you can.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Find me at the Curly v Show on Instagram and
TikTok and yeah that's.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
Pretty much yeah, I would say, and thank you so
much for listening and watching another episode of The Super
Secret bestI Club Podcast. Thank you.
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