October 30, 2024 • 45 mins
When one host is out, who do you call? Enter Chantel—a whirlwind of sass, stories, and life advice. In this week’s episode, Chantal joins Curly for a hilariously unpredictable conversation about the sexuality spectrum, awkward encounters, and the moments that make you question... everything.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Curly, where are you taking to our super secret clubhouse
and our super secret location for what Chantel Houston to
ask you very personal and invasive questions?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Duh oh cool?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Get in here. My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
I'm welcome to the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
A super secret club where we talk about super secret things.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, like secrets that are super That's when it is.
In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreas men,
and of course our favorite secrets. Get in here, amazing, Well, guys,
welcome to another episode of the Super Secret Bestie Club. Today.
(00:44):
Maya is actually not here right now. She's on vacation.
I don't know. She like got on a space rocket
and went to the moon and is chilling there. But
today we have another very and we will be missing Maya.
We will be missing my deeply in this episode. But
today I wanted to welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I could never be her. There can only be one.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There can only be one. I am the one, the
only one. But today I wanted to welcome another real
life bestie of mine, which is the amazing, the beautiful
Chanteau Houston. You may or may not remember her. You
may remember her from her work at BuzzFeed with me,
she has created countless viral hits. She was part of
(01:28):
a what I call a YouTuber girl group called lady Like.
She now is the host with two of those girls
called money Honeys Podcast. But she's one of my best friends.
She's a creative director, she's an influencer. She's a director, director,
a writer, a vegan, a cat lady, a lesbian. No maybe,
(01:49):
oh okay, shows you how tight we are. But that's
kind of like what we're here to talk about today
because one of the things that we always by the way,
I talked to her like six times a day. We
literally got off the phone like thirty seconds ago, talking
about life, our usual stuff. We check in several times
a day. I forgot to tell you I made an
(02:12):
appointment with uh an allergy doctor, so I'll finally be
figuring out my allergies. Oh wait, sorry, add brain. We
do this thing called how's your spirit? And I'm only
asking you how's your spirit because I want to tell
you about mine. So wait before you go, okay, before
(02:33):
you what has your spirit? My spirit's great. I I
made an appointment with an allergy doctor, and I called
them and I was like, hey, what is the process
of figuring out like how these allergies work? And they
were talking about how they do this like test where
(02:55):
they poke you a bunch of times. They were like,
we do sixty like environmental allergies and then sixty like
I think, like food allergies or whatever. And I was like,
so I'm gonna get poked one hundred and twenty times
and she was like yeah, and I'm like wonderful. And
she I was like, do you guys do like any
sort of like sedation or like is there a laughing
(03:16):
gas involved or She's like no, And I could hear
her like trying not to giggle on the boat. It's girl,
have you had it done before? No?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But well then how are you I know someone who's
had it done before?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Okay, well we don't have to have the same pain tolerance.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And the girl I get my period every.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Month, so.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You don't know it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I know when all my girls are on their period.
I'm like, oh my god, here we go. It's fine.
Usually on this cycle too, I'm usually like super moody.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You are cycle together.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We do. How's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
My spirit is pretty good. I had a really good
week for just a lot of really cool creative stuff happening.
You and I went to every concert this week in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What we do? What shows did we do?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So we started off with the Sweat Tour with Charlie
XCX and Troy savon Iconic. We were jumping up at
what do you mean? You had.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Everything? As you know? So I just remember we laughed.
I was like, oh my god, I have the best time. Ever, however,
I have notes, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We had an amazing time, amazing seats. And then we
went and saw one of my good friends. His name
is I Am not Shane, and so we saw him perform.
And then we went to Remy Wolf, which was iconic.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Remy Wolf was amazing. Remy Wolf just like no notes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I like artist.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Artist Remy Wolf. Check her out. She is. I keep
describing her as just being this kind of like janis
chaplain like vibe entertainer who just is a vocal powerhouse
that can do no wrong. She does this thing where
she asks the audience to give her a word and
(05:22):
she will make up a song with her band in
real time about this word, and it'll be fantastic and amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's so good it's so good.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
High spirits, high spirits good.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I'm glad I have another concert left in my week.
I'm taking my mom to and I got date it tomorrow.
So which, by the way, I'm going to the Into
It thing, the Into It Dome I've never been. I
thought it was going to be at the Foreman's at
the Into It. I didn't realize you have to download
a whole ass app, yeah, to get your tickets, which
is fine until you're trying to tell your Latina sixty
(05:57):
or something year old mother to do'noad this app to
find her tickets. It was like, I'll just no, just
do it for her. I'll just see you, I'll do it.
We'll do it in the car.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
But there's no there's no way, there's no way. She's
just a girl. She's just a girl. We're all just girls.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Just I know, we're all just you know, living on
this rock that's just like going through space and time
and whatever. Anyways, we met each other years ago at
BuzzFeed mm hmm, when I was still working in the
canteen in the kitchen and you were a were you like,
what were you called? What were you called? Junior producers.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Mm hmm, Yeah, I was a junior producer, so I'd
gone from interned to fellow and then was hired full time,
and so I was a junior.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Producer at that So did I meet you as I
think I met you as a full junior producer. So
you're making content at BuzzFeed, And do you remember the
first time we ever met? Do you remember the first
time seeing me.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Or like meeting I don't, And that's it. That's like
a big thing with me. Like so many of my
friends are like, oh my god, I remember exactly when
we met. I'm like, I don't. I don't know why.
I like my my brain doesn't hold those memories. I
don't remember. I just remember knowing you.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know what's wild is that I remember when I
meet people, and I remember it rather romantically. I don't
remembers meeting I don't remember us. I do have one
memory that I bring up to you a lot. Is
that when I used to stock the cante and I
had like a I had like I was only allowed
to put out a certain amount of chips, and once
(07:33):
those were gone, in order to like maintain our budget
for the kitchen, I couldn't take more out, but I
didn't give a shit. It wasn't my money. So if
people came in and they asked for shit, I'd be like, yeah,
here's let's go get let's go to the inventory. And
so after a while, people just knew that the inventory
quote inventory of the chips was just like a little
bit above like it was just like on a shelf,
(07:55):
like the top shelf of a shelf.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like cost Co vibes.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, how would I say that, the top shelf of
a shelf. So you were reaching over to get some chips,
and I think I was helping you, and I think
one of your videos you had just released a video
which was not very BuzzFeed like at the time. It
was like was it like written word or it was something?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was like a love Yeah, no, it was just
it was it was. It was pretty scripted, but it
was it was sort of like a romantic like scripted.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It was.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It was kind of like a little mini indie.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And so it was about love. Do you remember what
it's about?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, it was it was something like that. Like it
was it was very like romantic. I don't remember the
full thing. Oh, I think it was like you have
a Facebook crush or something and then you meet I
r L. I don't know. I'll have to watch it.
I haven't watched it in years.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
If I remember correctly, it was between you and a
sis man. Yeah, Nick Ross, which brings us to our topic,
which I should have said this earlier. I wanted to.
There's many things that we could explore and talk about,
but one of the things that we don't really talk
(09:11):
about is your sexuality, Like clearly from the get go
of me introducing you, and that is something that I
feel like we kind of I was there as you
discovered this, as you were like growing up and figuring
out about yourself. Because when I met you, you were
kind of talking to the epitome of a sisman at BuzzFeed,
(09:37):
and you guys were kind of dating. And then you
guys have a funny story about how you guys decided
that you guys wanted to talk about where this dating
life was going, and you both sat down from each
other and decided that it wasn't working for both of you.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, and the most benign yeah way to break up
with somebody. Yeah, and then you were gay. So what
happened or do you identify what do you identify as
if I can ask you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I identify more more as queer, okay, and so like
there because for me there there isn't really like one
label that kind of encompasses all of it, because I
do also identify as being on the asexual spectrum. And
so that's why to me, queer just kind of like
denotes everything like who I'm attracted to and then also
(10:27):
how I'm attracted to them.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh interesting, how you're attracted Can you differentiate that, like
what you're attracted to and then how you're attracted to them?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, So for me, like gender, gender doesn't really matter,
So I've been romantically interested in and with people across
the entire gender spectrum, So your gender doesn't really matter
to me. Sis trans, I don't really care. I have
(10:59):
more of an inclination like towards just kind of like
andro boyish people. But in regards to like how I
experience that sexuality, so I identify as demisexual. So for me,
I don't feel those romantic or sexual feelings for someone
(11:20):
unless I'm very emotionally connected with them, So like I
would never be a person to like have a hookup
or anything like that, Like I have to be pretty
much in a relationship with you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So you have never in your entire life had a
one night stand?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, and I probably wasn't. Well I don't. I don't
have an interest in it. Not your thing, no, my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I think either. I think they just kind of
happened to me, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, what do you what do you know? What I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think that I don't know that one night stands necessarily,
I don't know that. Well, maybe some people seek it out,
but I'm very like, yeah, I guess we're sleeping together.
Oh it happened. And then you're like, oh, I guess
I never heard from them again. Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas like for for me, I
don't even experience that sexual attraction without feeling deeply emotionally
connected to that person.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You said a bunch of terms that I don't know
that a lot of our listeners would understand. You mentioned androsexuality,
which is the attraction to people who present a little
bit more male or masculine.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, I I don't know I've is androsexual a term?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh I actually didn't know that. Oh yeah, I was
just talking about like the types of people that I
think are cute. Yeah, Like that part is like actually
not that deep for me. It's just you know, it's like, oh,
what's your type. I tend to like people who are
a little bit more boyish or who might be who
(12:59):
might be a little bit more on the androgynous, like gender.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Presentation androsexuality comminate myself, androsexuality is an identity in which
a person has attraction to masculinity. So I love that
you said that, But then you said the word demisexual,
and then I was like, that's where I don't know
what demisexual is.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, So so demisexual is on the so like on
the sexuality, you can be like on one side it's
like asexual, a romantic, and then on the other side
you have like sexual and like bi romantic, hetero romantic,
homo or romantic kind of like who you're who you're
attracted to them, or who you're attracted to. And so
(13:51):
demiosexual just means where I'm like, I'm not I wouldn't
call myself, you know, fully a sexual a romantic in
that like I do experience attraction to people and I
do have those sexual feelings towards people, but I just
really I really need to have that emotional connection. Without
that emotional connection, don't I don't feel those I can
(14:13):
feel like romantic towards you, but I don't feel those
sexual feelings towards you without an emotional connection.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I definitely, So it has to build. I'm probably going
to ask you a lot of super ignorant questions and
I'm probably going to I don't know if I'm going
to upset people, but it's just like I have questions.
I'm sure people that are listening have questions, but like,
did you always know this about yourself that you might
(14:42):
be on a spectrum outside of heterosexuality.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
No, not at all. And I think part of that
also is because like it's really rare for me to
like experience an actual crush on someone, Like it's really
really rare, And so.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm the opposite. I get questions on everybody. I see you,
well you know this. We'll be in the car and
(15:22):
I'm like, God, damn that man. You're like, it's just
a man.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I'm like that, Okay, I'm a man walked by
you caught a whist of a man, y'all. Curly. Also,
one time try to tell me that he was asexual.
I was like, bitch, what are you talking?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, because also my relationship to sex is very different, right,
Like I also am like when I'm engaging sexually, I
can't help but think of like chimpanzees like Bonobo's and
how when I look at videos, for example, like on
the Discovery Channel or anything, and I watched chimpanzees engaging.
I'm not watching it, but there's like a scene or something.
(15:58):
I'm like, oh, they they don't. It doesn't look like
anything to me except for these two primates rubbing genitalia together.
And that's it. Like that's just that's it. And so
what I'm engaging sexually, that's all I can think about.
I'm like, oh my god, we're fucking alien primates just
rubbing our privates on each other and in our brains.
(16:18):
We make it so much more right, Like we make
it like this, like.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, because there's the emotion move from that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's the emotion, it's the romance. It's like it's like
I'm connecting to somebody. There's the science of like you know,
women's brains producing certain chemicals, what is it oxytocin or
something like endorphins that just kind of make the woman
connected to their partner, you know, like all these different
things that are going on. But in my head, I'm like,
(16:45):
this is so weird for me. When I have sex.
All I can think about is like it's the same
dance move, but you're just changing positions. It's like if
you're doing the chacha, you know, the chacha slide, It's
like think, think, think, think, and it's like, no, the
side to the right, and then you turn around and
you face the wall and you do the same thing.
That's how I feel about Yeah, that's how I feel
(17:06):
about sex. I feel like it's like we're just doing
the same We're just doing the tachas slide and now
all of a sudden I'm in reverse calcual position and
this is somehow supposed to be like fun. That's why
I asked you as asexual.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, I can I can see there being people
on the asexuality spectrum who who may feel the same
about like the act of sex as you feel, But
I don't think that it necessarily you know where I'm like,
I actually don't feel that way about it. So like
with you, do you not feel sort of like the
(17:47):
emotional connection with it, because for me, it's like it's
all about emotion obviously like body and stuff, but like
so much about emotion.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, I have a little bit more of a thing
where I'm like, if I like somebody on a deeper level,
it's actually harder for me to engage with them sexually.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Then that I don't you're opposite me.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so I'm well, yeah, whenever I've had like boyfriends
that I really really like or that it kind of
takes me a little bit longer because I'm like, I
don't want to lose them. I want to like really
take this slow, so I won't engage sexually. Versus if
I'm like, yeah, it is what it is. It's sex
and that's it. Like okay, yeah, yeah, So what I'm
(18:38):
hearing is that I'm not asexual.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I would venture to say, like, you're probably not.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Don't get keep.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It for me, no one else, Like, look, you can
you can identify however you want to identify. However, as
one of your bestie is who knows you pretty well,
I would venture I would say pretty confidently, I don't
think that you are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
If you think that what sparked your I guess your
gay brain, your queer brain will yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, well, so Ley I was saying, like I just
I never really had many like crushes growing up and stuff,
and like the people that I happened to have crushes
on just like were guys like SIS guys, and so
I dated SIS guys and like experienced you know, real love,
deep love all of that, which is why I don't
(19:41):
identify as a lesbian, even though now I'm like I would.
I would much rather be with someone who was assigned
female at birth. But I don't identify as a lesbian
because I'm like, you know what, Harry Styles walked in
this door, I'd be like, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know Styles, Yes, but I'm not going to you.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah yeah, I mean for me, it would be like
the most it would have to be like guests down
from Beauty and the Beasts, and I'd be like, rough.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well that's because of who you're attrying to where It's
like like also most queer women buy women pan women
are like we like Harry Styles because so like for me,
I like boyish, like if we're if we're really just
(20:41):
being kind of like rudimentary about it. It's like I
like boyish girls and and girly boys, you know, and
so it's like basically people, I wouldn't say you're girly. No,
I wouldn't say your girly. I was like, we would
(21:02):
never work, curly, we never work. Yeah, I don't think
your I don't think you're ghury darling. As you sit
there with your full beard.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And mustache in my back hair, you don't have.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
To be hairless. I'm so sorry you have to be hairless.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yea, we might have to revisit your ideas of Gurley,
but it's fine. Problematic you're heard her face.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, look, I don't have a mustache. Probably could
if I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So, okay you like sixteen times I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We keep going oh yeah, well I mean what was
I even talking about? Oh? So yeah. So I basically
just like happened to be attracted to like Cisguis that
I was around, and then in my early twenties, I
basically just kind of had like a light bulb moment
(21:59):
with someone that I met and I was like, WHOA,
what is going on? Who was like, you know, it
was my first sort of like same sex attraction that
like couldn't be written off or couldn't be like denied,
because like, if I look back, I do think that
there were maybe like two or three women that I
(22:21):
had crushes on, but not like not anything that I
would want to like like yeah, yeah, nothing that I
was going to do anything about, you know, and so
so yeah, and then I just kind of had a
light bullb hole where I was like holy shit. And
so I remember like calling like my closest friends at
(22:43):
the time and being like, what does this mean? And
one of my best friends, like all of her closest
friends have come out as either like gay by or
queer to her since high school. You know, like my
my friend Julie, she is right straight straight. I've like
tried to convince her and not be but she is
(23:03):
and that's okay, We've accept it. But so she's straight,
and yeah, like every all her closest friends are queer.
And so she was one who was like, you know,
this is this just happens? Like it sounds like you
had like she was like, which was so.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Funny, This just happens. I think that's kind of the
part that I didn't mean to roll my eyes. I
was taking a deep breath, but like I guess this
is the part that I'm asthmetic and my allergies are
kicking in, so I have to really concentrate on breathing.
So I didn't realize that that, but this is the
part that I get like very curious about because I
(23:40):
never had that like aha moment. I woke up like, well,
mine was a little bit different because I thought I
was a little girl for most of my life to.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Say, yeah, your aha moment was in I feel like
in the form of gender rather than sexuality, Whereas I
I've never questioned my gender, but I definitely had awakenings
with my with my sexuality. And then I was like, whoa.
(24:07):
And so you know, as you allow yourself to like
accept it and explore it, and you can you just
sort of like even it wasn't even until recently that
I was like, oh, actually I do because I've had
attraction to people that look all different, you know, like,
but I've sort of been able to verbalize my quote
(24:32):
unquote type a little bit more so.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, that when you were talking to Julie that there
was kind of like a little bit of like confusion
in your tone. Was there like a confusion in terms
of like was there like a fear, like were you
like afraid of what this of what was happening this
new emotion.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I I don't know. I think I was just like shocked.
I was like shocked by myself, you know, like one
of those moments where you're like, oh, I can't believe
I did that. You know, like if you if you
think that you're never gonna go skydiving, and then you
go skydiving and then you're like, I can't believe I'm
the skydiving, Like what the fuck? And so that was
(25:20):
that was more so what I what I felt rather
than I mean. I also, I also grew up really Christian,
Like I didn't grow up really around queer people, and
so part of it was just also being in different environments.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So starting I find really beautiful is that like sexuality
and how we all identify is a lot more fluid
than people really understand. Right, Sorry, my dogs are barking
in the back by the way, Chloe has like Chloe,
my little dog, as you know, it's just living her
(25:56):
best life barking and everybody in the damn neighborhood. But
you know, it's kind of super fluid and it's fascinating
to me that people find out about their identity a
little later on in life and whatever and whatever that
means to you, Like you know, like uh, safe space, right,
Like to just be able to go in the way
(26:18):
that you might pivot your career and thea that in
the way that you might change want to change your style.
Like it sounds crazy, but maybe that's also acceptable in
terms of how you identify and sexuality and gender. Like
you're just like, Okay, here we go. I'm just gonna
like pivot now.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, And like I remember some of my family
in Mexico when I when I was in a same
sex relationship. I remember someone saying like, well, are you
sure it's just not like a phase and stuff? And
I was like, what, who cares if it's a phase?
(26:57):
You know? I was like, actually that that line of
thinking of like it's just a phase, you're going to
go back. I'm like every boyfriend I had was a phase,
you know, like having long hair. Phrase, what's wrong with
a phase? Hasn't you have an emo phase? You have
like a long hair phase, short hair phase, you know,
like your hat phase.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, I'm like, who cares if it was a phase?
You know? And it's like, obviously I knew what she
was insinuating, and I knew that in that sense it
was not a phase for me. But also who the
fuck cares?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I guess I've never thought about it in that way.
What do you think insinuating? What do you think a
question like that insinuates to me?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think it insinuated like, well, is she just confused and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
She like she which is also.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay, which is also okay. Yeah, where it's like she's
just confused and like strayed from the proper path, you know,
because like rooted in for that person, particular root in
like Catholicism and stuff, and you know, not being fully
accepting at the time of queer people, you know. So
(28:04):
it insinuate that I was confused and straying from the
good and proper thing.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Wow, which is kind of crazy when you're like not
necessarily like you don't. I think it's a little bit
shocking for you in a lot of ways too, because
you don't necessarily read as a queer individual. You're not
queer passing. I know.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You. I know there's been there's been times where we've
gone out and I'm like, I think I look a
little gayer today and you're like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Maybe, sure's you happy? I mean, look, this is the thing,
Like I feel like we we understand and people in
our circles understand that people can express themselves differently, and
we're not always necessarily rooted in like stereotypes, right, I
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mean h but we also sometimes have our own stereotypes
in our own head of what we expect people to look,
how we expect people to sound, what they should think like.
And I think that part of why I wanted to
talk about all this too, these quote invasive questions, was
because it's like there is a wide spectrum of how
you can identify, which is beautiful in terms of like
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queer identity, because queerness allows you to kind of be like, no,
I want Like I'm at a buffet and I want
different things on my plate, and I might want to
have Italian, I might want to have Mexican on the
same plate. I might want to have this, and like,
there's nothing wrong with living a healthy There's nothing wrong
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with living a healthy expression of yourself. I did have
some more questions about you being a sexual and feel
free to answer for yourself and perhaps not the entire
sexual community, but like do asexual people. And I'm sure
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I could fucking google this and it's not your responsibility
to teach me or others. But you're my best.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Friending we're here, so yeah, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, but like, how do you experience like getting turned on?
Like do you do? Like, Okay, for me, if I
see I'm a guy, I'm a man, right, so like
we're visual, so if I see I'm a gay man too.
So if I see like a hairy chested man walk
by me, my body and my brain immediately I'm like
shwe I'm like I'm into it. You know, how do
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you ever? Are you ever driving down the street and
you see a beautiful individual that you're like god damn
and you're just like I don't know, oh goa and
or how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'm getting your horn. I'm so dead. I mean I
will since so I mean like the answer is like yes,
like I can, I obviously know and understand. You know,
beautiful people are beautiful people and people that I'm like, whoa,
You're so attractive. I'm like, yeah, I can, I can
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like see that, you know. But it's it's more so
that like it, it would be really rare, and it
essentially never happens that I would have the like sexual
feelings at that point, you know, because I don't know them.
I I don't know them. I don't know anything about them.
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I don't have like an emotional connection to them. I'm
just like, WHOA, they're really pretty. I'm attracted to them.
Let me go talk, you know, let me.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Go talk to them. Yeah, do you. Yeah, that's an
interesting thing too, because I just feel like I'm like
a lot of people when you talk, and specifically gay men,
I feel like sex is very important. Like I have
found out the more I date gay men, the more
that they're like, this is important to me. This is
important to me, and a healthy sex life is important
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to me. And for years I also I mean I
also have like a different story, but like I was
unfinasiride for hair and that just depleted my sexuality. And
for years I was like, what do you mean you
want to have sex? Don't you want to just date
your best friend? Like what are you talking about? Like
what are you And then now I'm like, oh no,
like let's do this. I want to play. You know,
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have you ever felt guilty about your expression of sexuality. No,
it's was me. Have you ever had a partner that's
made you feel guilty?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because the thing is like, within a relationship, I am
very sexual, like within god, you know, so like like
it's not like within a relationship like I'm usually the
pursuer in my relationships, you know, like it actually yeah,
because it's like like if I'm in love with you,
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like yeah, let's go, you know. Which that's how it
expresses itself for me. So people who might be closer
to the like truly a sexual side of the spectrum
might not actually have an interest in sex. But for me,
I very much do. It just has to be someone
that I'm emotionally connected to.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do you ever find that people that link a sexuality
that they will try to link it to just being insecure.
I find that a lot of people who are like, no,
I'm a sexual, They're like, well, they're probably just insecure.
Do you find that that has been something that you've
ever dealt with? Have you ever heard that before?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Not like I personally haven't. But it's because I you know,
if honestly, it doesn't really come up, you know, like
it's it doesn't really come up so because again, like
if I have that emotional connection, like I'm it's not
an issue for me, you know. And so it's so
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that's why like I haven't felt guilty about it or
I haven't had people sort of guessing it, you know,
because if I if I just say like, oh no,
in order for me to want to have sex with someone,
I need to feel emotionally connected to them. Like that's
not really a crazy thing to say, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I do feel like to answer my own not it's
not really my own question. It's just the thought that
I had out loud. I feel like insecurity, no matter
what you are, any expression of sexuality could also encompass
like an anxiety towards the actual act, right, Like you
could be identify as a gay person, lesbian, whatever in
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between and still be anxious about having sex. And so
I think that like just they can coexist, but they can,
they all also are just two completely different things. Yeah,
have you ever dated another asexual person? And what do
y'all do with each other besides playboard games?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No I have.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's a joke, America. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, no, no, I No, I have not. But then
I think that also just goes into the where I
fall on the asexual spectrum because it's a basically it's
like even just where I on the sexual spectrum, you
know where it's like I fall in the middle. You
might fall on one side, like like it's Kinsey scale,
you know where it's like the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
There's a spectrum, the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
There's a spectrum. And so where I fall you can
call it the asexual spectrum. You can call it the
sexual spectrum. It's like where I fall is like, no,
I'm still going to be like plenty intimate with my
with my partners. You know I'm not. I'm actually not asexual.
I'm just on the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I love that so much. I have plenty more questions,
but we are ready out of time, and I wanted
to get into the zodiac section. Are you that familiar
with like zodiacs or no? Because I feel like I
always talk to you about it, but I don't know
that you talk to me that much about it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
No, I really don't know much. I know that almost
all the really good producers in my life are Capricorns.
I know that you're Virgo because virgos are obsessed with
being virgos and.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
We just have we all have mirrors in our hands,
and we're like, where virgos, that's all, that's all we do,
that's all we talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Virgos are just obsessed with being virgos, And then you
would be to.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All defensive you wish girl.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, No, I don't. I don't know so I yeah,
I don't really have like much of an I like them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
What is your favorite sign? Like? What sign are you like? Oh?
They're just they're just fantastic. I've never met blah blah
blah that I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I don't really know people's signs. I know yours.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, what do you think about virgos? Let's start there,
let's just go there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I have two virgos in my life that I'm particularly
close with. You're one of them, and I love both
of you.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's your other virgo equally as distraught and insane as
I am.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
No. Wow, Like I'm a straight shooter.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
No I blame Wait are the September or August? Oh
you know this?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Well, that would explain a lot why I'm a double
scorpio too, So that means that would explain a lot.
What do you know about Leo's like, you're a Leo.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I am a Leo. I know that most people when
they try to guess my zodiac or yeah, zodiac sign.
When they try to guess my zodiac sign, yeah, when
they try to guess my sign, they don't. They never
guess Leo.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
What do you get?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They always guess Earth. There isn't ground, right, Earth, Like wow, right,
it's earth.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Water, earth water, fire, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, there's no ground. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
they always go to Earth because they're like, you're just
you're very grounded, like you have a soothing voice. And
I'm like, I look, I don't want to tell you
I'm a Leo. And then when I say I'm a Leo,
they're like, oh yeah, it's the hair. I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Would never take you as a Leo either, But I
think that that's what when I think about Leo's, I
actually feel like leo are not as gaudy or opulent
as people imagine, because to me, in my head, tauruses
are actually more gaudy and opulent. Tauruses are very are
known for being very a little bit more like they
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like the gaudiness, you know, Virgos are materialistic, but Tauruses
are kind of into gody stuff. Leo's I feel like,
want attention in different ways. They want to be acknowledged
as like the expert on something something or like, oh,
that's the go to person for this. It's my understanding.
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Do you concur? Do you concur?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yes? Or yes?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't know. I mean like it's it's It feels
nice if people regard you as a knowledgeable person, But
that doesn't feel like it would just be a Leo thing.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Do you are you intimidated if there's another Leo in
the room.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
No. I generally don't know people's signs.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Wow. What is life like when you live in a
world where you don't look at people for their signs?
I don't like it. I don't understand that vibes.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I mean, my my my best friend Julie is a
Leo also Leo. Yeah, Leo and Leo like our co stars,
like you guys are wildly compatible.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Wow? Yeah, well I don't know, somewhat compatible yeah on
co star.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I feel like we're great as best friends. I think
if we dated, we would probably drive each other nuts
because you'd be like, you're insane and I'd be like
you're and you're fucking crazy. I feel like we'd be
justly insane. Probably that concludes the zodiac section. Yeah, well
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we always ended on I want to say thank you
so much for being so open and as usual dealing
with my trolling and stupid questions and not stupid n you.
Thank you. Usually at the end I always say, as
an homage to uh little rascals, instead of saying like
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final thoughts, we say how do you plead? So, how
do you plead?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I loved little rascals. That's not the question, I know
I was saying that. I'm just saying I love the
little boys that were like like I can get a
pickle for a nickel, or like whatever it was that
they said you.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Had a heart out in ten minutes. I'm trying to
get you out answered the question.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
See y'all, America, wherever you are. This is how every
conversation with Curly and I goes. We literally okay. When
I actually went to sleep last night, I realized we FaceTime,
not even phone call, face time face three times last yesterday,
like literally morning, noon, and night. Face timed you from
my kitchen, face timed you from my desk and face
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timed you from little I was laying down.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
In important matters, important matters to discuss. Anyway, yesterday's was like,
how I can make my dog clap?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
It was very cute. She did a really good job.
She did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
You know where household of entertainers. What can I say? Well,
how do you plead on what? I guess? Like, well,
here's how I would plead. I'll go first, whatever it
is that you identify as in this world. It's not
really a plead, to be honest, but the summary, it's
like a summary, Yeah, like how whatever it is you identify, like,
don't feel shameful if you're not hurting anybody and you
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are doing it in a way that is safe for
yourself and whatever makes you feel comfort, Like just you know,
live your best life within your own expression of who
you want to be, because we've only got one unless
you're like me and you believe that you have thousands
and you've been alive for thousands of years. Okay, there
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you go.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Okay, I mean I agree with everything that you said,
and the only thing that I would probably add is
just that you don't have to put yourself in a box.
You don't have to assign yourself a label. If a
label feels helpful, go with it. If a label doesn't
feel helpful, you don't need her. Leave her behind.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I love that and this is why I love you.
Thank you so much for joining us today, Chanty. Where
can people find you on social media?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh? Well, I don't know. I don't really do many
social media things now, but my handles are Chantal Houston.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And you can also find you on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You're all trying to tee me up and I'm like,
I don't know, right, yeah, which is why I have
a heart out in ten minutes because I'm recording my.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Podcast seven now, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
So I have a podcast with Devin and Freddie, who
are also part of Ladylike at BuzzFeed, and it's called
Money Honeys, and so we talk about money finances, and
we talk about it from a very relatable lens because
a lot of money and financial topics are dominated by men,
and we want to talk about it too.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Absolutely, and as somebody who knows you, you are great
with handling money, including sometimes my own. You can find
me guys at the Curly v Show on Instagram and
TikTok find me talking about scigns and basically sharing thoughts.
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
The Super Secret Bestie Club. Please join us next week
for a new episode, and feel free to send us
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Curly, where are you taking to our super secret clubhouse
and our super secret location for what Chantel Houston to
ask you very personal and invasive questions?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Duh oh cool?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Get in here. My name is Curly and I'm Maya.
I'm welcome to the Super Secret Bestie Club podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
A super secret club where we talk about super secret things.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, like secrets that are super That's when it is.
In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreas men,
and of course our favorite secrets. Get in here, amazing, Well, guys,
welcome to another episode of the Super Secret Bestie Club. Today.
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Maya is actually not here right now. She's on vacation.
I don't know. She like got on a space rocket
and went to the moon and is chilling there. But
today we have another very and we will be missing Maya.
We will be missing my deeply in this episode. But
today I wanted to welcome.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I could never be her. There can only be one.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
There can only be one. I am the one, the
only one. But today I wanted to welcome another real
life bestie of mine, which is the amazing, the beautiful
Chanteau Houston. You may or may not remember her. You
may remember her from her work at BuzzFeed with me,
she has created countless viral hits. She was part of
(01:28):
a what I call a YouTuber girl group called lady Like.
She now is the host with two of those girls
called money Honeys Podcast. But she's one of my best friends.
She's a creative director, she's an influencer. She's a director, director,
a writer, a vegan, a cat lady, a lesbian. No maybe,
(01:49):
oh okay, shows you how tight we are. But that's
kind of like what we're here to talk about today
because one of the things that we always by the way,
I talked to her like six times a day. We
literally got off the phone like thirty seconds ago, talking
about life, our usual stuff. We check in several times
a day. I forgot to tell you I made an
(02:12):
appointment with uh an allergy doctor, so I'll finally be
figuring out my allergies. Oh wait, sorry, add brain. We
do this thing called how's your spirit? And I'm only
asking you how's your spirit because I want to tell
you about mine. So wait before you go, okay, before
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you what has your spirit? My spirit's great. I I
made an appointment with an allergy doctor, and I called
them and I was like, hey, what is the process
of figuring out like how these allergies work? And they
were talking about how they do this like test where
(02:55):
they poke you a bunch of times. They were like,
we do sixty like environmental allergies and then sixty like
I think, like food allergies or whatever. And I was like,
so I'm gonna get poked one hundred and twenty times
and she was like yeah, and I'm like wonderful. And
she I was like, do you guys do like any
sort of like sedation or like is there a laughing
(03:16):
gas involved or She's like no, And I could hear
her like trying not to giggle on the boat. It's girl,
have you had it done before? No?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
But well then how are you I know someone who's
had it done before?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Okay, well we don't have to have the same pain tolerance.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And the girl I get my period every.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
Month, so.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
You don't know it.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I know when all my girls are on their period.
I'm like, oh my god, here we go. It's fine.
Usually on this cycle too, I'm usually like super moody.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
You are cycle together.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
We do. How's your spirit?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
My spirit is pretty good. I had a really good
week for just a lot of really cool creative stuff happening.
You and I went to every concert this week in
Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
What we do? What shows did we do?
Speaker 2 (04:18):
So we started off with the Sweat Tour with Charlie
XCX and Troy savon Iconic. We were jumping up at
what do you mean? You had.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Everything? As you know? So I just remember we laughed.
I was like, oh my god, I have the best time. Ever, however,
I have notes, yes, So.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
We had an amazing time, amazing seats. And then we
went and saw one of my good friends. His name
is I Am not Shane, and so we saw him perform.
And then we went to Remy Wolf, which was iconic.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Remy Wolf was amazing. Remy Wolf just like no notes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I like artist.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Artist Remy Wolf. Check her out. She is. I keep
describing her as just being this kind of like janis
chaplain like vibe entertainer who just is a vocal powerhouse
that can do no wrong. She does this thing where
she asks the audience to give her a word and
(05:22):
she will make up a song with her band in
real time about this word, and it'll be fantastic and amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
It's so good it's so good.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
It was really good.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
High spirits, high spirits good.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I'm glad I have another concert left in my week.
I'm taking my mom to and I got date it tomorrow.
So which, by the way, I'm going to the Into
It thing, the Into It Dome I've never been. I
thought it was going to be at the Foreman's at
the Into It. I didn't realize you have to download
a whole ass app, yeah, to get your tickets, which
is fine until you're trying to tell your Latina sixty
(05:57):
or something year old mother to do'noad this app to
find her tickets. It was like, I'll just no, just
do it for her. I'll just see you, I'll do it.
We'll do it in the car.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
But there's no there's no way, there's no way. She's
just a girl. She's just a girl. We're all just girls.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Just I know, we're all just you know, living on
this rock that's just like going through space and time
and whatever. Anyways, we met each other years ago at
BuzzFeed mm hmm, when I was still working in the
canteen in the kitchen and you were a were you like,
what were you called? What were you called? Junior producers.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Mm hmm, Yeah, I was a junior producer, so I'd
gone from interned to fellow and then was hired full time,
and so I was a junior.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Producer at that So did I meet you as I
think I met you as a full junior producer. So
you're making content at BuzzFeed, And do you remember the
first time we ever met? Do you remember the first
time seeing me.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Or like meeting I don't, And that's it. That's like
a big thing with me. Like so many of my
friends are like, oh my god, I remember exactly when
we met. I'm like, I don't. I don't know why.
I like my my brain doesn't hold those memories. I
don't remember. I just remember knowing you.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
You know what's wild is that I remember when I
meet people, and I remember it rather romantically. I don't
remembers meeting I don't remember us. I do have one
memory that I bring up to you a lot. Is
that when I used to stock the cante and I
had like a I had like I was only allowed
to put out a certain amount of chips, and once
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those were gone, in order to like maintain our budget
for the kitchen, I couldn't take more out, but I
didn't give a shit. It wasn't my money. So if
people came in and they asked for shit, I'd be like, yeah,
here's let's go get let's go to the inventory. And
so after a while, people just knew that the inventory
quote inventory of the chips was just like a little
bit above like it was just like on a shelf,
(07:55):
like the top shelf of a shelf.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, like cost Co vibes.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, how would I say that, the top shelf of
a shelf. So you were reaching over to get some chips,
and I think I was helping you, and I think
one of your videos you had just released a video
which was not very BuzzFeed like at the time. It
was like was it like written word or it was something?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
It was like a love Yeah, no, it was just
it was it was. It was pretty scripted, but it
was it was sort of like a romantic like scripted.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
It was.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It was kind of like a little mini indie.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And so it was about love. Do you remember what
it's about?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, it was it was something like that. Like it
was it was very like romantic. I don't remember the
full thing. Oh, I think it was like you have
a Facebook crush or something and then you meet I
r L. I don't know. I'll have to watch it.
I haven't watched it in years.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
If I remember correctly, it was between you and a
sis man. Yeah, Nick Ross, which brings us to our topic,
which I should have said this earlier. I wanted to.
There's many things that we could explore and talk about,
but one of the things that we don't really talk
(09:11):
about is your sexuality, Like clearly from the get go
of me introducing you, and that is something that I
feel like we kind of I was there as you
discovered this, as you were like growing up and figuring
out about yourself. Because when I met you, you were
kind of talking to the epitome of a sisman at BuzzFeed,
(09:37):
and you guys were kind of dating. And then you
guys have a funny story about how you guys decided
that you guys wanted to talk about where this dating
life was going, and you both sat down from each
other and decided that it wasn't working for both of you.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Yeah, and the most benign yeah way to break up
with somebody. Yeah, and then you were gay. So what
happened or do you identify what do you identify as
if I can ask you.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
I identify more more as queer, okay, and so like
there because for me there there isn't really like one
label that kind of encompasses all of it, because I
do also identify as being on the asexual spectrum. And
so that's why to me, queer just kind of like
denotes everything like who I'm attracted to and then also
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how I'm attracted to them.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh interesting, how you're attracted Can you differentiate that, like
what you're attracted to and then how you're attracted to them?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, So for me, like gender, gender doesn't really matter,
So I've been romantically interested in and with people across
the entire gender spectrum, So your gender doesn't really matter
to me. Sis trans, I don't really care. I have
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more of an inclination like towards just kind of like
andro boyish people. But in regards to like how I
experience that sexuality, so I identify as demisexual. So for me,
I don't feel those romantic or sexual feelings for someone
(11:20):
unless I'm very emotionally connected with them, So like I
would never be a person to like have a hookup
or anything like that, Like I have to be pretty
much in a relationship with you.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So you have never in your entire life had a
one night stand?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, and I probably wasn't. Well I don't. I don't
have an interest in it. Not your thing, no, my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I think either. I think they just kind of
happened to me, and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, what do you what do you know? What I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I think that I don't know that one night stands necessarily,
I don't know that. Well, maybe some people seek it out,
but I'm very like, yeah, I guess we're sleeping together.
Oh it happened. And then you're like, oh, I guess
I never heard from them again. Okay, that's what it was.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas like for for me, I
don't even experience that sexual attraction without feeling deeply emotionally
connected to that person.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
You said a bunch of terms that I don't know
that a lot of our listeners would understand. You mentioned androsexuality,
which is the attraction to people who present a little
bit more male or masculine.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Well, I I don't know I've is androsexual a term?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh I actually didn't know that. Oh yeah, I was
just talking about like the types of people that I
think are cute. Yeah, Like that part is like actually
not that deep for me. It's just you know, it's like, oh,
what's your type. I tend to like people who are
a little bit more boyish or who might be who
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might be a little bit more on the androgynous, like gender.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Presentation androsexuality comminate myself, androsexuality is an identity in which
a person has attraction to masculinity. So I love that
you said that, But then you said the word demisexual,
and then I was like, that's where I don't know
what demisexual is.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, So so demisexual is on the so like on
the sexuality, you can be like on one side it's
like asexual, a romantic, and then on the other side
you have like sexual and like bi romantic, hetero romantic,
homo or romantic kind of like who you're who you're
attracted to them, or who you're attracted to. And so
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demiosexual just means where I'm like, I'm not I wouldn't
call myself, you know, fully a sexual a romantic in
that like I do experience attraction to people and I
do have those sexual feelings towards people, but I just
really I really need to have that emotional connection. Without
that emotional connection, don't I don't feel those I can
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feel like romantic towards you, but I don't feel those
sexual feelings towards you without an emotional connection.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I definitely, So it has to build. I'm probably going
to ask you a lot of super ignorant questions and
I'm probably going to I don't know if I'm going
to upset people, but it's just like I have questions.
I'm sure people that are listening have questions, but like,
did you always know this about yourself that you might
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be on a spectrum outside of heterosexuality.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
No, not at all. And I think part of that
also is because like it's really rare for me to
like experience an actual crush on someone, Like it's really
really rare, And so.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
I'm the opposite. I get questions on everybody. I see you,
well you know this. We'll be in the car and
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I'm like, God, damn that man. You're like, it's just
a man.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I'm like that, Okay, I'm a man walked by
you caught a whist of a man, y'all. Curly. Also,
one time try to tell me that he was asexual.
I was like, bitch, what are you talking?
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Well, because also my relationship to sex is very different, right,
Like I also am like when I'm engaging sexually, I
can't help but think of like chimpanzees like Bonobo's and
how when I look at videos, for example, like on
the Discovery Channel or anything, and I watched chimpanzees engaging.
I'm not watching it, but there's like a scene or something.
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I'm like, oh, they they don't. It doesn't look like
anything to me except for these two primates rubbing genitalia together.
And that's it. Like that's just that's it. And so
what I'm engaging sexually, that's all I can think about.
I'm like, oh my god, we're fucking alien primates just
rubbing our privates on each other and in our brains.
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We make it so much more right, Like we make
it like this, like.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Well, because there's the emotion move from that.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's the emotion, it's the romance. It's like it's like
I'm connecting to somebody. There's the science of like you know,
women's brains producing certain chemicals, what is it oxytocin or
something like endorphins that just kind of make the woman
connected to their partner, you know, like all these different
things that are going on. But in my head, I'm like,
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this is so weird for me. When I have sex.
All I can think about is like it's the same
dance move, but you're just changing positions. It's like if
you're doing the chacha, you know, the chacha slide, It's
like think, think, think, think, and it's like, no, the
side to the right, and then you turn around and
you face the wall and you do the same thing.
That's how I feel about Yeah, that's how I feel
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about sex. I feel like it's like we're just doing
the same We're just doing the tachas slide and now
all of a sudden I'm in reverse calcual position and
this is somehow supposed to be like fun. That's why
I asked you as asexual.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, I can I can see there being people
on the asexuality spectrum who who may feel the same
about like the act of sex as you feel, But
I don't think that it necessarily you know where I'm like,
I actually don't feel that way about it. So like
with you, do you not feel sort of like the
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emotional connection with it, because for me, it's like it's
all about emotion obviously like body and stuff, but like
so much about emotion.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Well, I have a little bit more of a thing
where I'm like, if I like somebody on a deeper level,
it's actually harder for me to engage with them sexually.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Then that I don't you're opposite me.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, so I'm well, yeah, whenever I've had like boyfriends
that I really really like or that it kind of
takes me a little bit longer because I'm like, I
don't want to lose them. I want to like really
take this slow, so I won't engage sexually. Versus if
I'm like, yeah, it is what it is. It's sex
and that's it. Like okay, yeah, yeah, So what I'm
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hearing is that I'm not asexual.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
I would venture to say, like, you're probably not.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Don't get keep.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It for me, no one else, Like, look, you can
you can identify however you want to identify. However, as
one of your bestie is who knows you pretty well,
I would venture I would say pretty confidently, I don't
think that you are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
If you think that what sparked your I guess your
gay brain, your queer brain will yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, well, so Ley I was saying, like I just
I never really had many like crushes growing up and stuff,
and like the people that I happened to have crushes
on just like were guys like SIS guys, and so
I dated SIS guys and like experienced you know, real love,
deep love all of that, which is why I don't
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identify as a lesbian, even though now I'm like I would.
I would much rather be with someone who was assigned
female at birth. But I don't identify as a lesbian
because I'm like, you know what, Harry Styles walked in
this door, I'd be like, okay, you.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know Styles, Yes, but I'm not going to you.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
We say this all the time.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah yeah, I mean for me, it would be like
the most it would have to be like guests down
from Beauty and the Beasts, and I'd be like, rough.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Well that's because of who you're attrying to where It's
like like also most queer women buy women pan women
are like we like Harry Styles because so like for me,
I like boyish, like if we're if we're really just
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being kind of like rudimentary about it. It's like I
like boyish girls and and girly boys, you know, and
so it's like basically people, I wouldn't say you're girly. No,
I wouldn't say your girly. I was like, we would
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never work, curly, we never work. Yeah, I don't think
your I don't think you're ghury darling. As you sit
there with your full beard.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
And mustache in my back hair, you don't have.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
To be hairless. I'm so sorry you have to be hairless.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yea, we might have to revisit your ideas of Gurley,
but it's fine. Problematic you're heard her face.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I mean, look, I don't have a mustache. Probably could
if I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So, okay you like sixteen times I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
We keep going oh yeah, well I mean what was
I even talking about? Oh? So yeah. So I basically
just like happened to be attracted to like Cisguis that
I was around, and then in my early twenties, I
basically just kind of had like a light bulb moment
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with someone that I met and I was like, WHOA,
what is going on? Who was like, you know, it
was my first sort of like same sex attraction that
like couldn't be written off or couldn't be like denied,
because like, if I look back, I do think that
there were maybe like two or three women that I
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had crushes on, but not like not anything that I
would want to like like yeah, yeah, nothing that I
was going to do anything about, you know, and so
so yeah, and then I just kind of had a
light bullb hole where I was like holy shit. And
so I remember like calling like my closest friends at
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the time and being like, what does this mean? And
one of my best friends, like all of her closest
friends have come out as either like gay by or
queer to her since high school. You know, like my
my friend Julie, she is right straight straight. I've like
tried to convince her and not be but she is
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and that's okay, We've accept it. But so she's straight,
and yeah, like every all her closest friends are queer.
And so she was one who was like, you know,
this is this just happens? Like it sounds like you
had like she was like, which was so.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Funny, This just happens. I think that's kind of the
part that I didn't mean to roll my eyes. I
was taking a deep breath, but like I guess this
is the part that I'm asthmetic and my allergies are
kicking in, so I have to really concentrate on breathing.
So I didn't realize that that, but this is the
part that I get like very curious about because I
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never had that like aha moment. I woke up like, well,
mine was a little bit different because I thought I
was a little girl for most of my life to.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Say, yeah, your aha moment was in I feel like
in the form of gender rather than sexuality, Whereas I
I've never questioned my gender, but I definitely had awakenings
with my with my sexuality. And then I was like, whoa.
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And so you know, as you allow yourself to like
accept it and explore it, and you can you just
sort of like even it wasn't even until recently that
I was like, oh, actually I do because I've had
attraction to people that look all different, you know, like,
but I've sort of been able to verbalize my quote
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unquote type a little bit more so.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Yeah, that when you were talking to Julie that there
was kind of like a little bit of like confusion
in your tone. Was there like a confusion in terms
of like was there like a fear, like were you
like afraid of what this of what was happening this
new emotion.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
I I don't know. I think I was just like shocked.
I was like shocked by myself, you know, like one
of those moments where you're like, oh, I can't believe
I did that. You know, like if you if you
think that you're never gonna go skydiving, and then you
go skydiving and then you're like, I can't believe I'm
the skydiving, Like what the fuck? And so that was
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that was more so what I what I felt rather
than I mean. I also, I also grew up really Christian,
Like I didn't grow up really around queer people, and
so part of it was just also being in different environments.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So starting I find really beautiful is that like sexuality
and how we all identify is a lot more fluid
than people really understand. Right, Sorry, my dogs are barking
in the back by the way, Chloe has like Chloe,
my little dog, as you know, it's just living her
(25:56):
best life barking and everybody in the damn neighborhood. But
you know, it's kind of super fluid and it's fascinating
to me that people find out about their identity a
little later on in life and whatever and whatever that
means to you, Like you know, like uh, safe space, right,
Like to just be able to go in the way
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that you might pivot your career and thea that in
the way that you might change want to change your style.
Like it sounds crazy, but maybe that's also acceptable in
terms of how you identify and sexuality and gender. Like
you're just like, Okay, here we go. I'm just gonna
like pivot now.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah. Absolutely, And like I remember some of my family
in Mexico when I when I was in a same
sex relationship. I remember someone saying like, well, are you
sure it's just not like a phase and stuff? And
I was like, what, who cares if it's a phase?
(26:57):
You know? I was like, actually that that line of
thinking of like it's just a phase, you're going to
go back. I'm like every boyfriend I had was a phase,
you know, like having long hair. Phrase, what's wrong with
a phase? Hasn't you have an emo phase? You have
like a long hair phase, short hair phase, you know,
like your hat phase.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, I'm like, who cares if it was a phase?
You know? And it's like, obviously I knew what she
was insinuating, and I knew that in that sense it
was not a phase for me. But also who the
fuck cares?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I guess I've never thought about it in that way.
What do you think insinuating? What do you think a
question like that insinuates to me?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I think it insinuated like, well, is she just confused and.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
She like she which is also.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Okay, which is also okay. Yeah, where it's like she's
just confused and like strayed from the proper path, you know,
because like rooted in for that person, particular root in
like Catholicism and stuff, and you know, not being fully
accepting at the time of queer people, you know. So
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it insinuate that I was confused and straying from the
good and proper thing.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Wow, which is kind of crazy when you're like not
necessarily like you don't. I think it's a little bit
shocking for you in a lot of ways too, because
you don't necessarily read as a queer individual. You're not
queer passing. I know.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You. I know there's been there's been times where we've
gone out and I'm like, I think I look a
little gayer today and you're like.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Maybe, sure's you happy? I mean, look, this is the thing,
Like I feel like we we understand and people in
our circles understand that people can express themselves differently, and
we're not always necessarily rooted in like stereotypes, right, I
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mean h but we also sometimes have our own stereotypes
in our own head of what we expect people to look,
how we expect people to sound, what they should think like.
And I think that part of why I wanted to
talk about all this too, these quote invasive questions, was
because it's like there is a wide spectrum of how
you can identify, which is beautiful in terms of like
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queer identity, because queerness allows you to kind of be like, no,
I want Like I'm at a buffet and I want
different things on my plate, and I might want to
have Italian, I might want to have Mexican on the
same plate. I might want to have this, and like,
there's nothing wrong with living a healthy There's nothing wrong
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with living a healthy expression of yourself. I did have
some more questions about you being a sexual and feel
free to answer for yourself and perhaps not the entire
sexual community, but like do asexual people. And I'm sure
(30:02):
I could fucking google this and it's not your responsibility
to teach me or others. But you're my best.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Friending we're here, so yeah, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yeah, but like, how do you experience like getting turned on?
Like do you do? Like, Okay, for me, if I
see I'm a guy, I'm a man, right, so like
we're visual, so if I see I'm a gay man too.
So if I see like a hairy chested man walk
by me, my body and my brain immediately I'm like
shwe I'm like I'm into it. You know, how do
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you ever? Are you ever driving down the street and
you see a beautiful individual that you're like god damn
and you're just like I don't know, oh goa and
or how does that? How does that work?
Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'm getting your horn. I'm so dead. I mean I
will since so I mean like the answer is like yes,
like I can, I obviously know and understand. You know,
beautiful people are beautiful people and people that I'm like, whoa,
You're so attractive. I'm like, yeah, I can, I can
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like see that, you know. But it's it's more so
that like it, it would be really rare, and it
essentially never happens that I would have the like sexual
feelings at that point, you know, because I don't know them.
I I don't know them. I don't know anything about them.
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I don't have like an emotional connection to them. I'm
just like, WHOA, they're really pretty. I'm attracted to them.
Let me go talk, you know, let me.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Go talk to them. Yeah, do you. Yeah, that's an
interesting thing too, because I just feel like I'm like
a lot of people when you talk, and specifically gay men,
I feel like sex is very important. Like I have
found out the more I date gay men, the more
that they're like, this is important to me. This is
important to me, and a healthy sex life is important
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to me. And for years I also I mean I
also have like a different story, but like I was
unfinasiride for hair and that just depleted my sexuality. And
for years I was like, what do you mean you
want to have sex? Don't you want to just date
your best friend? Like what are you talking about? Like
what are you And then now I'm like, oh no,
like let's do this. I want to play. You know,
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have you ever felt guilty about your expression of sexuality. No,
it's was me. Have you ever had a partner that's
made you feel guilty?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Because the thing is like, within a relationship, I am
very sexual, like within god, you know, so like like
it's not like within a relationship like I'm usually the
pursuer in my relationships, you know, like it actually yeah,
because it's like like if I'm in love with you,
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like yeah, let's go, you know. Which that's how it
expresses itself for me. So people who might be closer
to the like truly a sexual side of the spectrum
might not actually have an interest in sex. But for me,
I very much do. It just has to be someone
that I'm emotionally connected to.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do you ever find that people that link a sexuality
that they will try to link it to just being insecure.
I find that a lot of people who are like, no,
I'm a sexual, They're like, well, they're probably just insecure.
Do you find that that has been something that you've
ever dealt with? Have you ever heard that before?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Not like I personally haven't. But it's because I you know,
if honestly, it doesn't really come up, you know, like
it's it doesn't really come up so because again, like
if I have that emotional connection, like I'm it's not
an issue for me, you know. And so it's so
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that's why like I haven't felt guilty about it or
I haven't had people sort of guessing it, you know,
because if I if I just say like, oh no,
in order for me to want to have sex with someone,
I need to feel emotionally connected to them. Like that's
not really a crazy thing to say, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I do feel like to answer my own not it's
not really my own question. It's just the thought that
I had out loud. I feel like insecurity, no matter
what you are, any expression of sexuality could also encompass
like an anxiety towards the actual act, right, Like you
could be identify as a gay person, lesbian, whatever in
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between and still be anxious about having sex. And so
I think that like just they can coexist, but they can,
they all also are just two completely different things. Yeah,
have you ever dated another asexual person? And what do
y'all do with each other besides playboard games?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
No I have.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
It's a joke, America. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, no, no, I No, I have not. But then
I think that also just goes into the where I
fall on the asexual spectrum because it's a basically it's
like even just where I on the sexual spectrum, you
know where it's like I fall in the middle. You
might fall on one side, like like it's Kinsey scale,
you know where it's like the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
There's a spectrum, the spectrum.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
There's a spectrum. And so where I fall you can
call it the asexual spectrum. You can call it the
sexual spectrum. It's like where I fall is like, no,
I'm still going to be like plenty intimate with my
with my partners. You know I'm not. I'm actually not asexual.
I'm just on the spectrum.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
I love that so much. I have plenty more questions,
but we are ready out of time, and I wanted
to get into the zodiac section. Are you that familiar
with like zodiacs or no? Because I feel like I
always talk to you about it, but I don't know
that you talk to me that much about it.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
No, I really don't know much. I know that almost
all the really good producers in my life are Capricorns.
I know that you're Virgo because virgos are obsessed with
being virgos and.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
We just have we all have mirrors in our hands,
and we're like, where virgos, that's all, that's all we do,
that's all we talk about.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Virgos are just obsessed with being virgos, And then you
would be to.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All defensive you wish girl.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah, No, I don't. I don't know so I yeah,
I don't really have like much of an I like them.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
What is your favorite sign? Like? What sign are you like? Oh?
They're just they're just fantastic. I've never met blah blah
blah that I didn't like.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I don't really know people's signs. I know yours.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, what do you think about virgos? Let's start there,
let's just go there.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I have two virgos in my life that I'm particularly
close with. You're one of them, and I love both
of you.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's your other virgo equally as distraught and insane as
I am.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
No. Wow, Like I'm a straight shooter.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
No I blame Wait are the September or August? Oh
you know this?
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Well, that would explain a lot why I'm a double
scorpio too, So that means that would explain a lot.
What do you know about Leo's like, you're a Leo.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
I am a Leo. I know that most people when
they try to guess my zodiac or yeah, zodiac sign.
When they try to guess my zodiac sign, yeah, when
they try to guess my sign, they don't. They never
guess Leo.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
What do you get?
Speaker 2 (38:23):
They always guess Earth. There isn't ground, right, Earth, Like wow, right,
it's earth.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Water, earth water, fire, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Okay, there's no ground. Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, because
they always go to Earth because they're like, you're just
you're very grounded, like you have a soothing voice. And
I'm like, I look, I don't want to tell you
I'm a Leo. And then when I say I'm a Leo,
they're like, oh yeah, it's the hair. I'm like, okay, I.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Would never take you as a Leo either, But I
think that that's what when I think about Leo's, I
actually feel like leo are not as gaudy or opulent
as people imagine, because to me, in my head, tauruses
are actually more gaudy and opulent. Tauruses are very are
known for being very a little bit more like they
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like the gaudiness, you know, Virgos are materialistic, but Tauruses
are kind of into gody stuff. Leo's I feel like,
want attention in different ways. They want to be acknowledged
as like the expert on something something or like, oh,
that's the go to person for this. It's my understanding.
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Do you concur? Do you concur?
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yes? Or yes?
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:48):
I don't know. I mean like it's it's It feels
nice if people regard you as a knowledgeable person, But
that doesn't feel like it would just be a Leo thing.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Do you are you intimidated if there's another Leo in
the room.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
No. I generally don't know people's signs.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Wow. What is life like when you live in a
world where you don't look at people for their signs?
I don't like it. I don't understand that vibes.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
I mean, my my my best friend Julie is a
Leo also Leo. Yeah, Leo and Leo like our co stars,
like you guys are wildly compatible.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Wow? Yeah, well I don't know, somewhat compatible yeah on
co star.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I feel like we're great as best friends. I think
if we dated, we would probably drive each other nuts
because you'd be like, you're insane and I'd be like
you're and you're fucking crazy. I feel like we'd be
justly insane. Probably that concludes the zodiac section. Yeah, well
(41:00):
we always ended on I want to say thank you
so much for being so open and as usual dealing
with my trolling and stupid questions and not stupid n you.
Thank you. Usually at the end I always say, as
an homage to uh little rascals, instead of saying like
(41:21):
final thoughts, we say how do you plead? So, how
do you plead?
Speaker 2 (41:27):
I loved little rascals. That's not the question, I know
I was saying that. I'm just saying I love the
little boys that were like like I can get a
pickle for a nickel, or like whatever it was that
they said you.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Had a heart out in ten minutes. I'm trying to
get you out answered the question.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
See y'all, America, wherever you are. This is how every
conversation with Curly and I goes. We literally okay. When
I actually went to sleep last night, I realized we FaceTime,
not even phone call, face time face three times last yesterday,
like literally morning, noon, and night. Face timed you from
my kitchen, face timed you from my desk and face
(42:10):
timed you from little I was laying down.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
In important matters, important matters to discuss. Anyway, yesterday's was like,
how I can make my dog clap?
Speaker 2 (42:23):
It was very cute. She did a really good job.
She did a really good job.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
You know where household of entertainers. What can I say? Well,
how do you plead on what? I guess? Like, well,
here's how I would plead. I'll go first, whatever it
is that you identify as in this world. It's not
really a plead, to be honest, but the summary, it's
like a summary, Yeah, like how whatever it is you identify, like,
don't feel shameful if you're not hurting anybody and you
(42:54):
are doing it in a way that is safe for
yourself and whatever makes you feel comfort, Like just you know,
live your best life within your own expression of who
you want to be, because we've only got one unless
you're like me and you believe that you have thousands
and you've been alive for thousands of years. Okay, there
(43:15):
you go.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Okay, I mean I agree with everything that you said,
and the only thing that I would probably add is
just that you don't have to put yourself in a box.
You don't have to assign yourself a label. If a
label feels helpful, go with it. If a label doesn't
feel helpful, you don't need her. Leave her behind.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I love that and this is why I love you.
Thank you so much for joining us today, Chanty. Where
can people find you on social media?
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Oh? Well, I don't know. I don't really do many
social media things now, but my handles are Chantal Houston.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
And you can also find you on my podcast.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You're all trying to tee me up and I'm like,
I don't know, right, yeah, which is why I have
a heart out in ten minutes because I'm recording my.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Podcast seven now, but go ahead.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
So I have a podcast with Devin and Freddie, who
are also part of Ladylike at BuzzFeed, and it's called
Money Honeys, and so we talk about money finances, and
we talk about it from a very relatable lens because
a lot of money and financial topics are dominated by men,
and we want to talk about it too.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
Absolutely, and as somebody who knows you, you are great
with handling money, including sometimes my own. You can find
me guys at the Curly v Show on Instagram and
TikTok find me talking about scigns and basically sharing thoughts.
Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
The Super Secret Bestie Club. Please join us next week
for a new episode, and feel free to send us
(45:07):
comments messages on any sort of topics that you would
like to hear a future episodes. Bye bye.
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