December 18, 2024 • 49 mins
Curly and Mayastrap on their broomsticks and fly headfirst into the sparkly green chaos of Wicked. With jokes, genuine love for the movie, and some questionable attempts at hitting Glinda’s high notes, this episode will leave you feeling like you can defy gravity.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, are you coming.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I hope you're happy now that you're choosing things.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You too, you bitch, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Okay, guards, guards, she's right over here. The green bitch
over here, she's right there.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
At least I have powers, pinky head, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Get her in. My name is Curly and I'm Maya
And Welcome to the Super Secret Pusty Cloud Podcast. A
super secret club where we talk about super secret things.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, like secrets that are super That's what it is.
In each episode we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men,
and of course our favorite secrets. Get in here. Well,
if you didn't know, that was our rendition of the
critically worldwide acclaimed new movie.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Way Good, Way Good.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So by now, I feel like, hopefully everybody has seen Wicked.
It's been a couple of weeks since it's in. It's
smashed the box office. Right, But before we get into that,
how is your spirit? Cally?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
My spirit is wrecked because of Wicked. I have been
so good. I've been so like, yeah, I'm on a
good high spiritually. Mentally, I've been feeling really good. And
then I went to go see Wicked once and I
feel like it just kind of emotionally threw me for one,
and then I saw it again and it just like
emotionally threw me for one. It's so good, but it
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kind of like strikes a nerd for me. What about you?
Hows your spirit?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
My spirit is good. I was very much focused on
like how they're going to sing certain songs, are they
gonna change in lyrics to anything? But I was wrecked
mostly connected on an actor and performer perspective of like, yeah,
I could totally see why Ariana Grande and Cynthia are
(02:12):
like sobbing in each interview because of how just emotional
and huge this performance was. Yeah, so on that that's
where it kind of wrecked me, where I was like,
oh my god, they're gonna be friends for life now,
just like in Wicked.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean also too, watching all those interviews in the
beginning when they were crying a lot, I was like,
oh my god, I love this so much, And now
I'm like, okay, guys.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Really I was like that before where I was like,
come on you guys, and now I'm like I get it.
Like just the Oz Gustall scene when Cynthia cries and
and Ari has like her her she's like wiping her
tears away and she's like it's okay. I'm like, fuck, dude,
oh yeah in the movie, yes, well, and I was
just sobbing the moment that Ari opened her mouth, like
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she just sounded so beautiful. And you know, knowing how
the play plays out, yeah, and knowing where Glinda is
at in that first you know, we're kind of seeing
this five years ahead in the play and then it
goes back to in the musical and then it goes
back to like the origin story. So just knowing that,
(03:20):
I'm like, I was just kind of more invested in
like the characters and yeah, yeah, performers.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean, like before we dive in which a lot
of people This might be a little bit of a
spoiler alert in case you guys haven't seen it yet,
but this is also just kind of like a discussion
about what we thought about it, what it means to us.
So sit back, relax, and enjoy our journey down the
yellompic road.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yesh, And we're also going to give you some fun
facts and you know, we're going to do a little
bit of a character analysis on since this is a
super secret bestie club, We're going to do a little
BFF analysis. Was Glinda good friend? Is Elfie actually wicked?
Is she corrupt? Or are they wicked? Or is wickedness
thrust upon them? Is the big question?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Were you silent or were you silent?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Silenced? Exactly exactly, But I just want to know, Curly,
when did you first hear of Wicked?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So I heard about Wicked in two thousand and five,
I would say it actually was these two girls sang
for good to each other, I think like at our
senior like luncheon or something, and I was like, oh,
this song is really pretty, Like these words are fucking fantastic,
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Like what is this? And I mean now looking at
when it came out in two thousand and three, this
was only two years after it had started, So these girls.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Were maybe they were on it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They were on it, yeah yeah, but like even just
like you know, we'll get into that too, like they
actually sang for good and the song for Good is
like one of the most power powerful songs that I've
ever heard, to be honest in my whole life, Like
it's really good. What about you whens verst time you
heard about it?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I first heard about it? I want to say, probably,
I mean, when did the internet come out.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I don't know if I heard it from the internet
or I was in high school. I knew about the
musical in high school. This was like two thousand and eight,
my freshman year, and I was in the orchestra and
they had us play the medley in the score of
the wake in musical, and then the choir at the
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time did the same thing where they did like a medley,
And then we got to go to La to the
Pantagious to see the musical, and I remember feeling so
tired because we went on like a bus. And I'm
also like half of me is like did I really
see it at the Pantagious or did I see it
at Asu Gamage in Arizona. You know when you like
think of a memory and you're like, did that actually happen?
(05:58):
Did I dream that problem?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And an alcohol problem? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh right, I'm just a fucking idiot. I'm just a
dune that for the big butt. Yeah, we went to
the Pantagious, and I remember feeling so tired because we
like drove, like I mean, it was just nauseating and
all this stuff. But I remember in the nosebleeds it
changed my brain it changed chemicals of my brain. I
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was changed for good. That's when I was like it solidified,
like I want to be a performer of some sort.
But I was still a little too afraid because I
would I was in orchestra, you know, I wasn't like
in the theater just yet. So it it, Yeah, I
would say, like probably when it came out, I had
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some knowledge of it, but it was really when I
got to play. When you get to play the score,
and like we played Dancing through Life, we played for Good,
We played like this beautiful medley. When you learned the music,
you ate a.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Different connection to Yeah, yeah, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Connected because you were learning like the music and the
lyrics that Stephen Schwartz like created, you know. So I
think when I saw it, I was like not really
focusing on like who is this connected to in my life,
more so of like the artistry of it. And so
it was very important and it totally invigorated me in
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my projects. I feel super inspired.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And Steven Shorts, by the way, is like known for
like his incredible just body of work in terms of
music that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Created, like he did like Godspell.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Pocahontas, The Prince of Egypt. He also wrote both the
music and the lyrics for DreamWorks Prince of Egypt Song,
which included the Academy Award winning song When You Believe,
which Whitney Houston and Mariah carry sang did you see?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
On Somebody? Was like, I wonder what the world would
be like like if Whitney Houston played elpav and Marie
Carey played Glinda. Right, I know that would be so bomb.
So let's get into some fun facts if you don't
know about it, or if you just saw it and
you just want to learn a little bit more. It
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debuted at the Gershwin Theater Iconicshwin Gershwin Theater on October thirty,
two thousand and three, on Broadway. And it's actually based
on a novel. It's like a prequill for Wizard of Oz.
So you know, when we see the Wizard of Oz,
we see the witches bad and the house falls on
the witch's sister Ruby slippers. We see Glinda the Good
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she comes down, and then you know, a tornado hits
the house and falls and then sweeps Dorothy. In all
that stuff, there's the tin Man, there's the Lion. It's
this movie and this series. This book series is a
prequel to all that. So like, how did Glinda and
the Wicked Witch of the East and the West and
(09:00):
ten Men all of that stuff, how did they come
to be? Yeah, and it's it's so it's The novel
is called Wicked The Life and Times of the Wicked
Witch of the West, and it's a reimagining obviously of
Wizard of Oz from the Wicked Witch's perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, somebody told me, I mean, somebody told me. I
saw TikTok that somebody said that this was They were like, everybody,
calmed down, this is just fan fiction. Yeah, it is.
It is, which is where it's cute, which is like
that should be your cue that if you write a
fan fiction for anything, put it up, do something with it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Absolutely, So it's the backstory of Alphaba. She's outcast and
obviously follows Glinda, and I love that they you know,
Glinda is Glinda, but then her original name is Glinda,
and that's just like such a such a cute little
thing that I felt like, he added.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, the movie kind of opens up if we're moving
on to the movie from the book, because you mentioned
how the book was actually really dark, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So the series are like, there's four books and it's
really really dark. I would to recommend to have like
a I don't know, a child read the books because
it's just like has a lot. It's just very it's
very deep, and it has just a lot of messaging
about like prejudice and political systems. And I mean, maybe
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it's good to read because a lot of it kind
of mirrors what we're going through a little bit politically now.
But the main story delves into themes of prejudice, friendship, morality,
and the ambiguity of good and evil. And a little
fun fact is that Alphaba is a nod to L.
Frank Baum, who's the author of Wizard of Oz so
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alpha b l FB alpha BA.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
But like Alphaba is the name of the Wicked Witch
of the Wes right, because they don't really give her
that name, and the Wizard of Oz, I don't think
she has a name, no the wit So, Yeah, it
is like a really cool nod, which I thought was
really cool. I saw this inner with Gregory Maguire, who
is the writer of the book, and he was saying
that he was on a trip somewhere with some friends
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and he was thinking about basically, Like, he said that
there's a line in The Wizard of Oz where the
Wicked Witch of the West comes out and Glinda's with Dorothy,
and the Wicked Witch says, I should have known you
were up to this, Glenda, And he felt like, Oh,
that's a line that insinuates that they've knew each other.
They've known each other past this event that's happening in
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the Wizard of Oz. We're not gonna describe The Wizard
of Oz. Go and watch it if you haven't seen it.
It's a cinematic classic that made Judy Garland a crackhead
and possibly destroyed a lot of lives in the process.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, and there was a lot of yes because of asbestos. Yeah,
and like in Wizard. The Wizard of Oz movie is
kind of like propaganda in the story of Wicked, like,
which is kind of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Funny when they line up. So then wait, oh, so
he was saying that he when he was thinking about it,
he was like, oh, what if they knew each other
in college? And he thought it was such a fun
idea to think of them as like college girls that
he wrote, and that they knew each other that he
wrote this book, These books basically, and so when you
go on TikTok and you kind of get into like
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the law and like everybody like all the bands connecting
the timelines. One of the theories is that that we're
saying is that, like the Wizard of Oz is actually
the propaganda that the Wizard releases and gives to like
the city of Oz or the whole world to see.
But Wicked is supposed to be the real story and
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the real story. I think that what makes it so
special is that it's centered around two women, right, And
I think that like a lot of times people talk
about it being like a story about love, and it
really is. And you know, a lot of times movies
are about like the love between you know, in a
romantic relationship, and you don't really get a lot of
movies that deal with like the love of a friendship,
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of a platonic relationship and one that is like equally
as moving and profound and tumultuous and emotional. And yet
you get to kind of like a point where you
go like, but it was all worth it, you know,
And I think that's kind of like why I think
this movie is so special.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And then it's a musical, so You're going through all
these like things where Alphaba is being outcast because of
the color of her skin, and then it's like, okay,
that's feeling that You're like, oh yeah, oh yes, racism,
yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, capitalism, oh yes. Classes, like
like just all of these different themes, which is so
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smart and I feel like not touching too much on
the political status now, but this is art that makes
us think about how to add these little subliminal messaging
of like how fucked up all this shit is with
little music stuff to keep people and like green pink,
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you know what I'm saying. It's like such a great
mashup of like a bigger, deeper message, which because it's
like I keep saying it, but like Linda becomes a
political puppet at the end, you know, and she's she's
looked at as good and she's like, you know, when
she does, she has zero powers at all. So okay,
we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But yeah, yeah, I think that like also too. I
think that's what makes it kind of really cool about
Wicked Too, is that it does feel like, you know,
you could probably look back in a few years by
now and kind of describe the political climate and when
you're describing this movie, you'll be like, there's so many
parts of it that are kind of like not reflected,
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but some of these similarities that you could pull from
where you can be like, oh no, at the time
this was happening, and this movie came out, and it
almost makes me feel not as alone. When this movie
came out, it almost made me feel like, you know,
I was like, we have a whole year trump until
we get fucking part two. And I'm kind of like,
what I know, masgiving.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I feel like this movie came out at a
perfect time to I don't want to say, distract us
from what's going on, but to keep us kind of like, hey,
this is a reminder like art Heels, you know, art Heels,
and like, let's get inspired by this and let's get
let's let's get to work essentially with all of our
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different talents. But we wanted to get into a little
bit of the character analysis and the BFF dynamic between
Alphaba and Glinda, so they start off as enemies, you know,
and the movie also even though like Glinda in the
play and in the movie, like she's very playfully like
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she's not a complete bully, right yeah, she is, but
she's not like a very super super mean.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
A knowing bully, Like she doesn't know that she's a bully.
She's just being herself and through the process she's a bully.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well she knows what she's doing though, you know Hillary Banks,
she she's like she knows what she's doing. When she
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says I think the art of choke is steamed.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's the part where I go like, yes, But before that,
I don't really you know, she just seems like somebody
who's kind of like socially unaware and everybody knows that
she's super rich, and you know, she kind of just
comes in and she's like, I'm going to help you,
and Alfie's like I don't need to be helped, like
thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like, well, that's after they have that dynamic of they
have the Osball moment, you know, where she opens up.
Then that's when she softens up a lot. Like if
we're talking about before that moment, like the Loathing song,
you know, they like absolutely loathe each other, which a
bunch of people are also saying, like is loathing. So
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starts out with what she says, what is this feeling
so sudden and new? Like she's Glynna's kind of having
like a physical reaction, like is it a sexual lesbian awakening?
You know what I'm saying, Like is it loathing or
is it like sexual frustration?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what do you want it to be?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I that I kind of secretly like them just being platonic, Yeah,
best friends because I just feel like there's not enough movies.
They're not There aren't enough movies or songs or books
or things like that. I feel that really just describe
the pain of like you know, an episode of like
breaking up with the best friend, Like there's nothing that
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describes that pain, and like it doesn't Oh my filter
to disappeared to see that. I love it, my Glinda bubble.
But yeah, like I just feel like I really enjoy
like their dynamics. I think which one, by the way,
which one did you relate to the most when you
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watch you were like that's me, I'm her?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh I didn't. I none really truly was not putting
myself in it at all. I was just really focused
on like what happened here, what happened there? And I
watched it again for and I saw other things and
I feel like I'm watching it a third time soon
then maybe I'll feel like I I've never felt like
I was an Elfie or Glinda.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Maybe, like.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What do you feel, well said, maybe like my personality,
like the bubbly part and the humorous, like physical comedy,
maybe is very Glinda.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I feel like if you and I were to
be cast in the movie, I think I would be
Alphaba and you would be Glenda for sure. Like I
feel like I would be like I don't like in
terms of comedy and stuff like that too, but in
terms of me watching it and feeling like who am
I the most like I felt more like an Alphaba.
I felt more like I was always the queer kid
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that came in had big, curly hair that nobody like
knew what to do with it. That's one of the
reasons why I dropped out of college was because I
was so tired of being the gay guy in the
room that everybody stared at. And I was like, I
just don't want to be that anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And fashion school No.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I went to regular community college after fashion school. Fashion
school was dope because I was like, we were all Glenda's,
you know, and then, but in most of my life
I think I was like the Alphaba. But you know
it's interesting just because watching it, I immediately there's the opening
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scene is they're they're celebrating the death of the Wicked
Witch aka Alphaba, who's being killed by Dorothy. It starts
where the Wizard of Oz kind of ends, and there's
a song, and then there's a girl who comes up
to Alphaba, I mean, who comes up to Glenda, who's
in her bubble. She's there. This girl says, hey, is
it true that you guys were friends? And there's this
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flashback of Glenda putting her head on the should I'm
not going to cry right now, putting her head on
like Alfie's shoulder. And I think that that scene immediately
makes me so emotional because for me, I'm all like
gonna cry for me, watching this film was like I
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saw myself in so many ways, and I saw my
relationships in so many ways, right, like failed boyfriend's relationships,
failed friendships, failed like anything. And when you think back, like,
no matter what, no matter what, your experience has been
with certain people in your life, like a toxic relationship,
a toxic friendship, there were always moments that were kind
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of good, right, There were always those moments that are like,
it wasn't always that bad, which is what makes it
hard to break away sometimes. But I think that seeing
that moment made me flash back to some relationships in
my life where I was like, you know, it's hard
to remember that there were sometimes good moments, and so
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immediately I'm thrust it into this space.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I didn't let myself go there. Now that I'm thinking
about it, I didn't let myself go there. You know,
I've been I've had other deepness wells of emotion with
other things happening this week or you know, during when
it came out that I have not gotten there yet.
I'll probably get there soon.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's just really sad. I think that, like, you know,
I have we talked about this before. I have like
two three relationships in my life that were so deep,
so meaningful to me. We have not had closure, we
have not had that moment of peace. But in my heart,
I hold them just like that scene we're in resting
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my head on that shoulder, not me like getting all
crazy emotional. Yeah, so it's still like a really beautiful
like thing to witness because I think that's kind of
the the profoundness of this relationship. That you watch play
out in a fucking three hour movie.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But that's the thing too of their friendship, like you know,
is that they really they were opposing people. But then
when it kind of went too far when Glinda gave
her the hat, the witch hat, and then she came
to the oz Dustball and you know, she has that
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thing with Madame Morble where she's like, yeah, well Elfie
kind of like you know, she here's your want. Yeah,
this is because of her, and then Glinda kind of
realizes like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like I'm an asshole.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Asshole, yes, and then when she shows up like they
have that kind of like and that whole scene is
supposed to be like every single time it's it's it's
supposed to be awkward. It's supposed to be like, you know,
she's showing her self completely authentically and in her quirks
and weirdness, and then that's kind of like Glinda's point
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to connect with her and be like I see you,
like I see you, and like that was it. And
then I feel like, you know, do you feel like
she was Yeah, it's like this like after that, do
you feel like she was Glinda was supportive of Alphaba.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, here's the thing. I do think that despite the
love that they have for one another, there's still kind
of shady to one another, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
it was nice to her because Alpha Bak got her
the magic wand would she have ever there was something
in it for her on I mean, like that's why
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she's nice to her at the ball, because would she
have done that had she not received the Wand on
the flip what's his name, Fierro, Glenda really likes Fierro,
and Fierro and them have a moment. There's a scene
where Alpha but makes the flowers, the poppies float, and
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the poppies make everybody in the room fall asleep except
for her and Fierro, and Fiera kind of touches up
on like why didn't I fall asleep? You know? Then
she yeah, I want to sit on it. And so
then they go to the forest they release this tiger
or whatever, and they have this moment, which I also
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think is shady, like if you fucking made me fall
asleep and you went into a forest with my boyfriend, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Think I would have had some to say about that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I would. I mean, maybe it would be different with
us because my boyfriend would be gay and I'd be like,
what happened to the boys, And you guys are like, yeah,
we just ki kid.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Maybe maybe he's by, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But if he was by, it would be a different story.
It would be a different story in this house.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I'd be like, ooh, sorry, well who knows, just
touch hands.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I might be like, it's fine, take him. He's not
really my type anyways. Well, like what do what do
you feel like their dynamic is?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I feel like, yeah, enemies to kind of besties, but
I feel like, yeah, when they clock in together, I
feel like they just kind of didn't have enough time
to really bask in their bestie friendship type of thing
because it just, I mean, obviously for plot purposes, but
like I like when they go to to OZ and
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they do all that stuff, which we see the ogs
Ideina and the wickedly talented Adele disease, and we see
them who played originally played Elfie and Glinda, which is great,
but I think, you know, when shit goes down, Glinda's
constantly trying to be like, just apologize, Elfie, like just apologize,
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like she saw everything play out where the Wizard is
literally and throughout the movie they're saying like oh OZ,
like they're using Oz as God, you know. So like
there's one person who kind of sees the destruction of this,
of this whole thing, and then there's another person who
is like just say sorry, like we just need to
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fall in line. That shit would piss me the fuck off.
I wouldn't want her to go with me on my broomstick.
I'd be like, stay here and be a little puppet puppet.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But yeah, but it's so crazy because it also reminded
me of another relationship of mine where there was a
moment at the company we worked at where somebody was
like come with me, and I was like, I can't.
I can't go with you. You know. It reminded me
a lot about I'll just say it reminded me a
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lot about my relationship with Jenny Lorenzo. We had this
moment where she was like, come with me, and I
was like, yeah, I just moved out of the kitchen,
like I just got here. I don't have the same
powers as you, you know what I mean? Like, oh,
what do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I had this thing where it was like, you have
it all. It's making me emotional again. I was like,
you have it all. Like I just got here. I
don't know what I'm capable, you know, And like BuzzFeed
was OZ.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And and oh my god, I'm a political party. Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And that was a really painful moment for me because
I had to decide. I almost went with her. I
almost left, and even like a month later, I think
a few months later, I almost did leave again to
go with her. Yeah, but you know, we all have
our different paths of what's meant for us. But you know,
I don't that's some tea right there. Yeah, I don't
know that that makes me evil or a puppet or No,
(28:09):
you're right. I think I was just afraid. And I
was young. I was like twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, when you think about it too, Alpha Ba was
having in the song the Wizard and I. She was
saying she had a vision and it's like unlimited, My
future is unlimited. And I just had a vision, almost
like a prophecy. I know it sounds truly crazy and true.
(28:36):
The vision's hazy. Someday there'll be a celebration throughout OZ.
That's all to do with me, yes, crazy, And that's
what we see in the beginning where it's a celebration,
but it's a celebration of her death. So I think
Glinda also knows that she's having delusions of grandeur, which
is like what she says in the song yeah, Alfy yes.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And hair is caught to your photo behind you. What
it's a ghost, Your photos are in love with you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Here stop. Yeah, sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Were saying she's having delusions of grand of grandeur and
then yeah she said to Alfie yes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So so Glinda knows like you're kind of flipping out
a little bit, like you're kind of like like calm down,
like let's think rationally like And I think Glinda also
is still processing the fact that like, like what just happened,
you know. And I think she has so much trust
in that political system that she's like, of course it's Oz,
(29:48):
like it's God, it's of course he's not going to
lead us astray, like it's Oz, like he's the only
one who can read this. But then Alphaba is the
only one who can read it. Actually, I think Glinda
also knows she doesn't have any real powers like Alpha Ba,
you know, so she can't go with her in part one,
(30:09):
you know she can't what would she do? I mean,
but then also I mean, I don't want to get
into part two, but part two. At the beginning of
four Good, Alphaba sings, I'm limited, just look at me,
I'm limited, and look at you. You could do all
I couldn't do, because she sees Glinda does have power.
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She has the powers that Alphaba doesn't have, which is
her kind of like different sense of like confidence in
you know, being popular or being able.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
To it's so sad, like, I know, make it to
whatever you do, just make it to the song for Good,
just even that like moment of just being like, I'm
limited and look at me, you could do all I
couldn't do. So now it's up to you and you're
just like, oh yeah, there's just so much vulnerability in
(31:06):
that song. Kbot, Kbot is our producer, Kbot. Just listen
to for Good.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But you know what my favorite song is in Act
two is no Good Deed because if you think about it, also,
Alphabu is cleaning up everybody else's mess. She gets tricked
into a lot of things. She gets gasled into thinking
that she was the reason for her mother's death, like
but especially I mean, I don't want to spoil it
too much, but you know when when other people put
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spells on other people and they go wrong, Alphabu's the
one fixing it, alphabus trying to save people's lives. And
she sings this song called no Good Deed and it's
about like did I really make good? Or was I
just seeking attention? Like what is what is a good deed?
Like no good deed? No good deed goes unpunished, No
(31:58):
good deed goes unpunished. And it's so it's her realization
that's like what the fuck? Like, yeah, yeah, you know,
it's so. It's one of my favorite songs just because
of the emotional intensity and vocally it is very very challenging. Yeah,
and I'm excited to see Cynthia do that me too.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'm scarying to see Cynthia and Ariannisy for good.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, oh my god, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
There's no shit in that theater. Can I tell you
a little bit of like my other like TikTok Low
(32:43):
that I got into. I think a lot of the
things that people fans are talking about in the movies
is like the CGI versus the sets that were built right,
Like there's this incredible video on YouTube from the set
director where he talks about all the detail that he
had to put into building these sets, Like, for example,
they planted thousands of tulips so that they would appear
(33:04):
in that like few scenes. The scenes where you see
the tulips are not CGI, they're real. But he talks
about how different tulips bloom at different rates, so he
had to plant them at different times.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Like the white ones.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yes, yeah, you know. He had to figure out all
that stuff out too. He had to build these massive
sets that could hold water. He had to build these
sets that like no matter where you moved around with
the camera, you know, they still were you could see
the lighting and the texture of the walls that they
had built. Basically, I do think that this is the
one time in a movie where I think the CGI
(33:38):
does a disservice because there's so much of it that
you don't really know what's real, and so you don't
get to go like, oh, wow, that's amazing that they
built this thing. The other thing that everyone's talking about
too is that they did use their real voices, right,
Like these were actual takes that they're singing live. Yeah,
when Cynthia is being thrown in the around and on
(33:59):
those little wrote, little bunge of things and she's flying
around her broom, she's actually singing and they're singing to
each other again, and yet another scene that you can't
really tell what's cgi and what's.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Her, but I yeah, I want to yes, I want
to reiterate that, Like, I think the thing that we're
missing in musical movies sometimes is casting people who can
sing and act, and I mean seeing capital letters, bold,
font impact bold, you know, like sing, yeah, singers. Yeah,
(34:37):
I feel like that is a huge part of it.
And Ariana Grande has a they both have theater backgrounds,
theatrical backgrounds that help this for sure, and they you know,
acting of course, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I think that's one of the biggest things that's like, yeah,
that's impressive because they can do it.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
They can do it. It's really amazing. So you go
and you watch it, you know that you're not listening
to people who are faking the funk up there. I
did also want to mention that there's a lot of
talk about different actors and the auditions, is who were
auditioning for this role. One of them that they talk
about Amanda Seafried, who is one of the girls from
(35:19):
Mean Girls, and she's also in Mama Mia and Ley Miz.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
She played Cosette, which she was disappointed in how Cosette
came out and Ley Miz, which I understand, I get it.
And then she did a little song, I'm just like
girl once you've been in two musicals already. Yeah, let's
get somebody else to do it. But yeah, she she
auditioned during like while she was filming that Hulu series
(35:48):
about that like Scammer doc.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, and she said it it she lost a bunch
of weight. She was so stressed out, you said. Also
Renee Rap, Yes, Rene.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Rap, who by the way, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's cool, But like, I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I didn't see it either. I wasn't seeing Glinda like ye,
Renee Rap is Regina George and Me and Grows the musical.
But I just didn't. I think I didn't like Me
and Girls the musical.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I didn't like it either. But she slays, She
slays no matter what in that musical. Dove Cameron people
really really really wanted Dove Cameron to be it because
Dove Cameron, she was on the Disney Channel. She oh, yeah,
the live version of Hairspray, which Ariana Grande was in also,
(36:43):
and she can sing as well. She can definitely sing.
And she had also a connection to Kristin chenn With
because of Christian chenn With was in Hairspray the musical live.
Oh and then also, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
There's.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh my god, wait, I need to mention this the
girl who originated Regina George on Broadway, Taylor Lauderman. She
also auditioned for it and found out she didn't get
it through the deadline article obviously, and she was heartbroken.
And she talks about how as actors and performers, we
(37:19):
need to not get so attached to a certain thing
because it can break us, and she said she got
way too attached to it and it kind of broke
her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Wow. Yeah, I mean I can see that I've had
that happened to me in a lot of different ways too.
But you know, I think that I feel like the
role was for Ariana, Like I really don't think that
anybody could have given it because that kind of feels
like it's Arianna.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Did you know who Jaylo auditioned for Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Jlo auditioned it for Madam what's.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Her name Marble Morble?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah, Madam Morble, which I also don't think Jaya
was gonna that part. I love how they casted or
cast that role as well. Nick and Joe Jonas also auditioned.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
For Zero, which Nick would be like, dancing through life
or that's such Joe dancing through life? And then Nick
would be like, can.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I be blatantly honest in the most yes, asshole way?
And I would never say this outside of this conversation.
I feel like they would have cheapened the movie a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Oh well, And like as far as dancing and acting wise,
I mean, I think I think Joe Jonas would have
killed it. I think he would have done well. The
singing part I'm not sure about. I don't know about
the dancing, but the acting he can. I've seen him
in his acting bag, you know, I think. But I
(38:52):
think Jonathan Bailey was the best choice.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Me too. I just would have been like, what in
high school musical am I watching? And we'll mention there
was a supposedly a Lady Gaga version. There was another director,
another director attached to the film in like I think
like it before twenty twenty or something, and Lady Gaga
(39:15):
was being considered for the role of Alphaba under the
direction of Stephen Deldrie. Sean Mendes was also in talks
for the role of Fierro, and supposedly Gaga's had like
a lot of had a lot of meetings in terms
of like her making the movie. I do think it
would have been interesting to see somebody like Lady Gaga
in a role like that. But I do feel like
(39:37):
having the version that we have now with Cynthia and Ariana,
sometimes the universe just they were ments, yes, in the
most perfect way, and this felt like there was nobody
else that could have played that role.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Welcoing to the astrology portion of the podcast, So what
sign do we think Alphaba and Glinda are? What kind
of vibe does Alphaba give you curly in.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Terms of signs, Yes, oh my god, I feel like
Alphaba could be a Earth sign. She's certainly giving like
she could be a Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That I was feeling that too.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, she could be a Capricorn. She could also be
like an Aries because she is a little bit like
she gets clearly she has a hard time stabilizing her mood.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Well, it's also other people being fuck asses. So well,
I mean, is that her fault? She's just reacting.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You can vocalize your emotions without you know, destroying a
building and flipping over all the benches.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Well, did it get her to where she needed to be?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Well, it sounds like an are So.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Did I get her to it? Sure?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Did? Would say that it is for my interpretation.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I would have said, like, maybe Capricorn. But I asked
chat GBT, like, what's your interpretation of it? They said Scorpio.
I thought they said Alphabet's intense, passionate, and deeply misunderstood
all classic Scorpio traits. She's fiercely loyal to her values
and isn't afraid to go against the grain, embodying the
(41:29):
transformative and rebellious nature of Scorpio. Her deep emotions and
complex personality also align well with this water sign. I
would say her big three. I would say she is
a Capricorn son. Yeah, Scorpio mood rising Aquarius or rising
(41:51):
Libra or rising Virgo.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I would say rising Virgo. For sure. She gives more
earth and emotion to me than she gives like and like.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, then Larry her Mars and her Mercury could be aries,
you know, because that's conflict and that's a communication where
she flies off the handle and Aries would fly off
the handle for sure, absolutely, And I feel like an
Aquarius rising would be. It totally aligns with the fact
that she's about deconstructing systematic shit.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, So for Glinda, what do you think Glinda's Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
My god, Glinda could be. She could be a Pisce's,
she could be a Burgo. She might be I don't
want to say she's a Leo because Leo's just feel
Leo's feel gaudy to me, but they don't have like
the playfulness that I feel like Glinda has. Wait, let
(42:52):
me think about this a little bit. They said Leo,
Did they say Leo?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I feel like there's like the typical ones where you're like, yeah,
the likes gauwdiness, but Leo's don't have. I don't feel
like Leo's are like that.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Listen. So it says Glinda loves to be the center
of attention and radiates charm and confidence much like a Leo.
She thrives in the spotlight and has a playful, warm
and dramatic nature. Over time, she also shows the Leo
trait of loyalty and a big heart as her friendship
with Alphaba grows. I think she's a Leo's Sun, I
(43:27):
would say, and other people said like Libra also that
she may be a Libra sEH.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I maybe think a Libra moon. And I think she
may be a rising Sagittarius because I feel like when
you're a rising Sagittarius, you're basically like sky's the limit.
You'll do anything to get to where you want to go,
to be where you want to go, because it's your
(43:53):
passion and it's your drive. You're like so excited for it.
And it's like its just something about a Sagittaria, like
rising just gives me a lot of energy and also
a lot of like the possibilities are endless, are unlimited
if you will.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, And she also is like come with me, I can't.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay's she's adventurous. She's adventurous. Yeah, But then I feel like,
you know, you could take all these signs like her
big three and as a Leo, yes, they are very gaudy,
they're very playful, but in the playfulness they could be
a low vibrating Leo foundation where they're like they take
up space, because she definitely takes up a lot of space.
(44:34):
And then a Libra moon she could also be a
Gemini maybe a Gemini moon.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I feel like she definitely has more air. She definitely
has some air placements because she's playful, she's fun. Sag
I can totally see because yes, like the adventurer and
the feistiness and the fire. Yeah, I like that. I
think I agree. I think there's definitely like I can
see the Leo, I can see the sash, and I
can see the air.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So then if comparing their charts and comparing their compatibility,
a Leo would totally get under Scripio sun's skin, you know,
or Scorpio moonskin and a Capricorn sun and you know
what I'm saying. But I feel like it might be
like the Aquarius rising of Alpha, but that I've just
you know, deemed on her, and then the Sagittarius rising
(45:24):
of Glinda. That could be harmonious because it's like, hey,
this shit's going down, you want to come with me?
For sure, let's go, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
But then it's crazy, is that my we know this already.
But most of my ex boyfriends have been Scorpio moons,
and I'm sorry, whoa, most of my boyfriends have been
Leo moons. I'm a Scorpio moon, and so we have
never agreed on the level of attention that we like,
(45:53):
and so we who I tend to be more like
ball cap hoodie. I don't want that much attention, and
it's what we do for a living, and a lot
of times the men that I date like the attention,
and so it feels a little bit like the Alpha
ba Glenda kind of complex of light.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I'm psychic, you know, I've heard it sad okay, Well,
and that concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know what's so funny is that we are like
three seasons deep, and I think that we always call it.
I always call it the zodiac section, and you call
it the astrology section, and sometimes we'll say it at
the same time, and we just never are We never
call it the same thing. Three seasons later, I just.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Put astro for everything.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So, yeah, my chair, but in my head, I'm always
like Zodiac. I always say Zodiac. Well, Maya, how do
you plead I.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Loved Wicked so much? I wish that I had known
about like auditioning for it, not as Alphaba or Glinda,
but just you know, I could have been like Boen
Yang's like little psidekick to know saying like I.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Was thinking that too, who's that girl?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I don't know? But she was funny. She was super funny.
But I'm like, why am I not like in those
spaces Like it just inspired me so much to be
like I want to be a part of this magic.
And I think that's the beautiful thing when you do
move movie musicals, right that even other people who are
not necessarily into musicals, it still hits them in some way.
(47:30):
And this musical is twenty years old, so it is
something that has really captivated us all. And I'm excited
for part two.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, I was seeing heard it said speech, go ahead,
I got nothing. I just feel like, go watch it.
It's really good. Go have a cry, think about you know,
your relationships, Get in the car, put the put the
Spotify Apple playlist of the musical, get to the songs
(48:04):
No Good Deed and for Good. Come back and talk
to us about it. Let us know what you think,
and enjoy the movie. Definitely, don't drink a lot of
liquids while you're watching it. This is a bit of
a long film.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, watched two hours and forty.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I watched several people in theaters get up to go pee,
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Ill, you can pee, well, I know, there's a lot
of other things. I think you can pee during Well,
if you know the musical, you can pee during Sentimental
Man when Jeff gold Room.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Blew, Oh my god, yes, yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
I hope you're happy now that you're choosing things.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You too, you bitch, Oh.
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Okay, guards, guards, she's right over here. The green bitch
over here, she's right there.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
At least I have powers, pinky head, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Get her in. My name is Curly and I'm Maya
And Welcome to the Super Secret Pusty Cloud Podcast. A
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, like secrets that are super That's what it is.
In each episode we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men,
and of course our favorite secrets. Get in here. Well,
if you didn't know, that was our rendition of the
critically worldwide acclaimed new movie.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Way Good, Way Good.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
So by now, I feel like, hopefully everybody has seen Wicked.
It's been a couple of weeks since it's in. It's
smashed the box office. Right, But before we get into that,
how is your spirit? Cally?
Speaker 1 (01:25):
My spirit is wrecked because of Wicked. I have been
so good. I've been so like, yeah, I'm on a
good high spiritually. Mentally, I've been feeling really good. And
then I went to go see Wicked once and I
feel like it just kind of emotionally threw me for one,
and then I saw it again and it just like
emotionally threw me for one. It's so good, but it
(01:47):
kind of like strikes a nerd for me. What about you?
Hows your spirit?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
My spirit is good. I was very much focused on
like how they're going to sing certain songs, are they
gonna change in lyrics to anything? But I was wrecked
mostly connected on an actor and performer perspective of like, yeah,
I could totally see why Ariana Grande and Cynthia are
(02:12):
like sobbing in each interview because of how just emotional
and huge this performance was. Yeah, so on that that's
where it kind of wrecked me, where I was like,
oh my god, they're gonna be friends for life now,
just like in Wicked.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I mean also too, watching all those interviews in the
beginning when they were crying a lot, I was like,
oh my god, I love this so much, And now
I'm like, okay, guys.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Really I was like that before where I was like,
come on you guys, and now I'm like I get it.
Like just the Oz Gustall scene when Cynthia cries and
and Ari has like her her she's like wiping her
tears away and she's like it's okay. I'm like, fuck, dude,
oh yeah in the movie, yes, well, and I was
just sobbing the moment that Ari opened her mouth, like
(03:00):
she just sounded so beautiful. And you know, knowing how
the play plays out, yeah, and knowing where Glinda is
at in that first you know, we're kind of seeing
this five years ahead in the play and then it
goes back to in the musical and then it goes
back to like the origin story. So just knowing that,
(03:20):
I'm like, I was just kind of more invested in
like the characters and yeah, yeah, performers.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I mean, like before we dive in which a lot
of people This might be a little bit of a
spoiler alert in case you guys haven't seen it yet,
but this is also just kind of like a discussion
about what we thought about it, what it means to us.
So sit back, relax, and enjoy our journey down the
yellompic road.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yesh, And we're also going to give you some fun
facts and you know, we're going to do a little
bit of a character analysis on since this is a
super secret bestie club, We're going to do a little
BFF analysis. Was Glinda good friend? Is Elfie actually wicked?
Is she corrupt? Or are they wicked? Or is wickedness
thrust upon them? Is the big question?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Were you silent or were you silent?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Silenced? Exactly exactly, But I just want to know, Curly,
when did you first hear of Wicked?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
So I heard about Wicked in two thousand and five,
I would say it actually was these two girls sang
for good to each other, I think like at our
senior like luncheon or something, and I was like, oh,
this song is really pretty, Like these words are fucking fantastic,
(04:37):
Like what is this? And I mean now looking at
when it came out in two thousand and three, this
was only two years after it had started, So these girls.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Were maybe they were on it.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They were on it, yeah yeah, but like even just
like you know, we'll get into that too, like they
actually sang for good and the song for Good is
like one of the most power powerful songs that I've
ever heard, to be honest in my whole life, Like
it's really good. What about you whens verst time you
heard about it?
Speaker 2 (05:07):
I first heard about it? I want to say, probably,
I mean, when did the internet come out.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
I don't know if I heard it from the internet
or I was in high school. I knew about the
musical in high school. This was like two thousand and eight,
my freshman year, and I was in the orchestra and
they had us play the medley in the score of
the wake in musical, and then the choir at the
(05:35):
time did the same thing where they did like a medley,
And then we got to go to La to the
Pantagious to see the musical, and I remember feeling so
tired because we went on like a bus. And I'm
also like half of me is like did I really
see it at the Pantagious or did I see it
at Asu Gamage in Arizona. You know when you like
think of a memory and you're like, did that actually happen?
(05:58):
Did I dream that problem?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And an alcohol problem? Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Oh right, I'm just a fucking idiot. I'm just a
dune that for the big butt. Yeah, we went to
the Pantagious, and I remember feeling so tired because we
like drove, like I mean, it was just nauseating and
all this stuff. But I remember in the nosebleeds it
changed my brain it changed chemicals of my brain. I
(06:27):
was changed for good. That's when I was like it solidified,
like I want to be a performer of some sort.
But I was still a little too afraid because I
would I was in orchestra, you know, I wasn't like
in the theater just yet. So it it, Yeah, I
would say, like probably when it came out, I had
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some knowledge of it, but it was really when I
got to play. When you get to play the score,
and like we played Dancing through Life, we played for Good,
We played like this beautiful medley. When you learned the music,
you ate a.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Different connection to Yeah, yeah, you're.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Connected because you were learning like the music and the
lyrics that Stephen Schwartz like created, you know. So I
think when I saw it, I was like not really
focusing on like who is this connected to in my life,
more so of like the artistry of it. And so
it was very important and it totally invigorated me in
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my projects. I feel super inspired.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
And Steven Shorts, by the way, is like known for
like his incredible just body of work in terms of
music that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Created, like he did like Godspell.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Pocahontas, The Prince of Egypt. He also wrote both the
music and the lyrics for DreamWorks Prince of Egypt Song,
which included the Academy Award winning song When You Believe,
which Whitney Houston and Mariah carry sang did you see?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
On Somebody? Was like, I wonder what the world would
be like like if Whitney Houston played elpav and Marie
Carey played Glinda. Right, I know that would be so bomb.
So let's get into some fun facts if you don't
know about it, or if you just saw it and
you just want to learn a little bit more. It
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debuted at the Gershwin Theater Iconicshwin Gershwin Theater on October thirty,
two thousand and three, on Broadway. And it's actually based
on a novel. It's like a prequill for Wizard of Oz.
So you know, when we see the Wizard of Oz,
we see the witches bad and the house falls on
the witch's sister Ruby slippers. We see Glinda the Good
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she comes down, and then you know, a tornado hits
the house and falls and then sweeps Dorothy. In all
that stuff, there's the tin Man, there's the Lion. It's
this movie and this series. This book series is a
prequel to all that. So like, how did Glinda and
the Wicked Witch of the East and the West and
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ten Men all of that stuff, how did they come
to be? Yeah, and it's it's so it's The novel
is called Wicked The Life and Times of the Wicked
Witch of the West, and it's a reimagining obviously of
Wizard of Oz from the Wicked Witch's perspective.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, somebody told me, I mean, somebody told me. I
saw TikTok that somebody said that this was They were like, everybody,
calmed down, this is just fan fiction. Yeah, it is.
It is, which is where it's cute, which is like
that should be your cue that if you write a
fan fiction for anything, put it up, do something with it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Absolutely, So it's the backstory of Alphaba. She's outcast and
obviously follows Glinda, and I love that they you know,
Glinda is Glinda, but then her original name is Glinda,
and that's just like such a such a cute little
thing that I felt like, he added.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Well, the movie kind of opens up if we're moving
on to the movie from the book, because you mentioned
how the book was actually really dark, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
So the series are like, there's four books and it's
really really dark. I would to recommend to have like
a I don't know, a child read the books because
it's just like has a lot. It's just very it's
very deep, and it has just a lot of messaging
about like prejudice and political systems. And I mean, maybe
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it's good to read because a lot of it kind
of mirrors what we're going through a little bit politically now.
But the main story delves into themes of prejudice, friendship, morality,
and the ambiguity of good and evil. And a little
fun fact is that Alphaba is a nod to L.
Frank Baum, who's the author of Wizard of Oz so
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alpha b l FB alpha BA.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
But like Alphaba is the name of the Wicked Witch
of the Wes right, because they don't really give her
that name, and the Wizard of Oz, I don't think
she has a name, no the wit So, Yeah, it
is like a really cool nod, which I thought was
really cool. I saw this inner with Gregory Maguire, who
is the writer of the book, and he was saying
that he was on a trip somewhere with some friends
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and he was thinking about basically, Like, he said that
there's a line in The Wizard of Oz where the
Wicked Witch of the West comes out and Glinda's with Dorothy,
and the Wicked Witch says, I should have known you
were up to this, Glenda, And he felt like, Oh,
that's a line that insinuates that they've knew each other.
They've known each other past this event that's happening in
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the Wizard of Oz. We're not gonna describe The Wizard
of Oz. Go and watch it if you haven't seen it.
It's a cinematic classic that made Judy Garland a crackhead
and possibly destroyed a lot of lives in the process.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah, and there was a lot of yes because of asbestos. Yeah,
and like in Wizard. The Wizard of Oz movie is
kind of like propaganda in the story of Wicked, like,
which is kind of.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Funny when they line up. So then wait, oh, so
he was saying that he when he was thinking about it,
he was like, oh, what if they knew each other
in college? And he thought it was such a fun
idea to think of them as like college girls that
he wrote, and that they knew each other that he
wrote this book, These books basically, and so when you
go on TikTok and you kind of get into like
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the law and like everybody like all the bands connecting
the timelines. One of the theories is that that we're
saying is that, like the Wizard of Oz is actually
the propaganda that the Wizard releases and gives to like
the city of Oz or the whole world to see.
But Wicked is supposed to be the real story and
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the real story. I think that what makes it so
special is that it's centered around two women, right, And
I think that like a lot of times people talk
about it being like a story about love, and it
really is. And you know, a lot of times movies
are about like the love between you know, in a
romantic relationship, and you don't really get a lot of
movies that deal with like the love of a friendship,
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of a platonic relationship and one that is like equally
as moving and profound and tumultuous and emotional. And yet
you get to kind of like a point where you
go like, but it was all worth it, you know,
And I think that's kind of like why I think
this movie is so special.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
And then it's a musical, so You're going through all
these like things where Alphaba is being outcast because of
the color of her skin, and then it's like, okay,
that's feeling that You're like, oh yeah, oh yes, racism,
yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah, capitalism, oh yes. Classes, like
like just all of these different themes, which is so
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smart and I feel like not touching too much on
the political status now, but this is art that makes
us think about how to add these little subliminal messaging
of like how fucked up all this shit is with
little music stuff to keep people and like green pink,
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you know what I'm saying. It's like such a great
mashup of like a bigger, deeper message, which because it's
like I keep saying it, but like Linda becomes a
political puppet at the end, you know, and she's she's
looked at as good and she's like, you know, when
she does, she has zero powers at all. So okay,
we'll get into that.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
But yeah, yeah, I think that like also too. I
think that's what makes it kind of really cool about
Wicked Too, is that it does feel like, you know,
you could probably look back in a few years by
now and kind of describe the political climate and when
you're describing this movie, you'll be like, there's so many
parts of it that are kind of like not reflected,
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but some of these similarities that you could pull from
where you can be like, oh no, at the time
this was happening, and this movie came out, and it
almost makes me feel not as alone. When this movie
came out, it almost made me feel like, you know,
I was like, we have a whole year trump until
we get fucking part two. And I'm kind of like,
what I know, masgiving.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And I feel like this movie came out at a
perfect time to I don't want to say, distract us
from what's going on, but to keep us kind of like, hey,
this is a reminder like art Heels, you know, art Heels,
and like, let's get inspired by this and let's get
let's let's get to work essentially with all of our
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different talents. But we wanted to get into a little
bit of the character analysis and the BFF dynamic between
Alphaba and Glinda, so they start off as enemies, you know,
and the movie also even though like Glinda in the
play and in the movie, like she's very playfully like
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she's not a complete bully, right yeah, she is, but
she's not like a very super super mean.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
A knowing bully, Like she doesn't know that she's a bully.
She's just being herself and through the process she's a bully.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well she knows what she's doing though, you know Hillary Banks,
she she's like she knows what she's doing. When she
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says I think the art of choke is steamed.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
That's the part where I go like, yes, But before that,
I don't really you know, she just seems like somebody
who's kind of like socially unaware and everybody knows that
she's super rich, and you know, she kind of just
comes in and she's like, I'm going to help you,
and Alfie's like I don't need to be helped, like
thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like, well, that's after they have that dynamic of they
have the Osball moment, you know, where she opens up.
Then that's when she softens up a lot. Like if
we're talking about before that moment, like the Loathing song,
you know, they like absolutely loathe each other, which a
bunch of people are also saying, like is loathing. So
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starts out with what she says, what is this feeling
so sudden and new? Like she's Glynna's kind of having
like a physical reaction, like is it a sexual lesbian awakening?
You know what I'm saying, Like is it loathing or
is it like sexual frustration?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what do you want it to be?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I that I kind of secretly like them just being platonic, Yeah,
best friends because I just feel like there's not enough movies.
They're not There aren't enough movies or songs or books
or things like that. I feel that really just describe
the pain of like you know, an episode of like
breaking up with the best friend, Like there's nothing that
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describes that pain, and like it doesn't Oh my filter
to disappeared to see that. I love it, my Glinda bubble.
But yeah, like I just feel like I really enjoy
like their dynamics. I think which one, by the way,
which one did you relate to the most when you
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watch you were like that's me, I'm her?
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Oh I didn't. I none really truly was not putting
myself in it at all. I was just really focused
on like what happened here, what happened there? And I
watched it again for and I saw other things and
I feel like I'm watching it a third time soon
then maybe I'll feel like I I've never felt like
I was an Elfie or Glinda.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Maybe, like.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
What do you feel, well said, maybe like my personality,
like the bubbly part and the humorous, like physical comedy,
maybe is very Glinda.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah. I feel like if you and I were to
be cast in the movie, I think I would be
Alphaba and you would be Glenda for sure. Like I
feel like I would be like I don't like in
terms of comedy and stuff like that too, but in
terms of me watching it and feeling like who am
I the most like I felt more like an Alphaba.
I felt more like I was always the queer kid
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that came in had big, curly hair that nobody like
knew what to do with it. That's one of the
reasons why I dropped out of college was because I
was so tired of being the gay guy in the
room that everybody stared at. And I was like, I
just don't want to be that anymore.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
And fashion school No.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I went to regular community college after fashion school. Fashion
school was dope because I was like, we were all Glenda's,
you know, and then, but in most of my life
I think I was like the Alphaba. But you know
it's interesting just because watching it, I immediately there's the opening
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scene is they're they're celebrating the death of the Wicked
Witch aka Alphaba, who's being killed by Dorothy. It starts
where the Wizard of Oz kind of ends, and there's
a song, and then there's a girl who comes up
to Alphaba, I mean, who comes up to Glenda, who's
in her bubble. She's there. This girl says, hey, is
it true that you guys were friends? And there's this
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flashback of Glenda putting her head on the should I'm
not going to cry right now, putting her head on
like Alfie's shoulder. And I think that that scene immediately
makes me so emotional because for me, I'm all like
gonna cry for me, watching this film was like I
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saw myself in so many ways, and I saw my
relationships in so many ways, right, like failed boyfriend's relationships,
failed friendships, failed like anything. And when you think back, like,
no matter what, no matter what, your experience has been
with certain people in your life, like a toxic relationship,
a toxic friendship, there were always moments that were kind
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of good, right, There were always those moments that are like,
it wasn't always that bad, which is what makes it
hard to break away sometimes. But I think that seeing
that moment made me flash back to some relationships in
my life where I was like, you know, it's hard
to remember that there were sometimes good moments, and so
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immediately I'm thrust it into this space.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I didn't let myself go there. Now that I'm thinking
about it, I didn't let myself go there. You know,
I've been I've had other deepness wells of emotion with
other things happening this week or you know, during when
it came out that I have not gotten there yet.
I'll probably get there soon.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
It's just really sad. I think that, like, you know,
I have we talked about this before. I have like
two three relationships in my life that were so deep,
so meaningful to me. We have not had closure, we
have not had that moment of peace. But in my heart,
I hold them just like that scene we're in resting
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my head on that shoulder, not me like getting all
crazy emotional. Yeah, so it's still like a really beautiful
like thing to witness because I think that's kind of
the the profoundness of this relationship. That you watch play
out in a fucking three hour movie.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But that's the thing too of their friendship, like you know,
is that they really they were opposing people. But then
when it kind of went too far when Glinda gave
her the hat, the witch hat, and then she came
to the oz Dustball and you know, she has that
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thing with Madame Morble where she's like, yeah, well Elfie
kind of like you know, she here's your want. Yeah,
this is because of her, and then Glinda kind of
realizes like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like I'm an asshole.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Asshole, yes, and then when she shows up like they
have that kind of like and that whole scene is
supposed to be like every single time it's it's it's
supposed to be awkward. It's supposed to be like, you know,
she's showing her self completely authentically and in her quirks
and weirdness, and then that's kind of like Glinda's point
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to connect with her and be like I see you,
like I see you, and like that was it. And
then I feel like, you know, do you feel like
she was Yeah, it's like this like after that, do
you feel like she was Glinda was supportive of Alphaba.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Well, here's the thing. I do think that despite the
love that they have for one another, there's still kind
of shady to one another, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, yeah,
it was nice to her because Alpha Bak got her
the magic wand would she have ever there was something
in it for her on I mean, like that's why
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she's nice to her at the ball, because would she
have done that had she not received the Wand on
the flip what's his name, Fierro, Glenda really likes Fierro,
and Fierro and them have a moment. There's a scene
where Alpha but makes the flowers, the poppies float, and
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the poppies make everybody in the room fall asleep except
for her and Fierro, and Fiera kind of touches up
on like why didn't I fall asleep? You know? Then
she yeah, I want to sit on it. And so
then they go to the forest they release this tiger
or whatever, and they have this moment, which I also
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think is shady, like if you fucking made me fall
asleep and you went into a forest with my boyfriend, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Think I would have had some to say about that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I would. I mean, maybe it would be different with
us because my boyfriend would be gay and I'd be like,
what happened to the boys, And you guys are like, yeah,
we just ki kid.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Maybe maybe he's by, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
But if he was by, it would be a different story.
It would be a different story in this house.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I'd be like, ooh, sorry, well who knows, just
touch hands.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I might be like, it's fine, take him. He's not
really my type anyways. Well, like what do what do
you feel like their dynamic is?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I feel like, yeah, enemies to kind of besties, but
I feel like, yeah, when they clock in together, I
feel like they just kind of didn't have enough time
to really bask in their bestie friendship type of thing
because it just, I mean, obviously for plot purposes, but
like I like when they go to to OZ and
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they do all that stuff, which we see the ogs
Ideina and the wickedly talented Adele disease, and we see
them who played originally played Elfie and Glinda, which is great,
but I think, you know, when shit goes down, Glinda's
constantly trying to be like, just apologize, Elfie, like just apologize,
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like she saw everything play out where the Wizard is
literally and throughout the movie they're saying like oh OZ,
like they're using Oz as God, you know. So like
there's one person who kind of sees the destruction of this,
of this whole thing, and then there's another person who
is like just say sorry, like we just need to
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fall in line. That shit would piss me the fuck off.
I wouldn't want her to go with me on my broomstick.
I'd be like, stay here and be a little puppet puppet.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
But yeah, but it's so crazy because it also reminded
me of another relationship of mine where there was a
moment at the company we worked at where somebody was
like come with me, and I was like, I can't.
I can't go with you. You know. It reminded me
a lot about I'll just say it reminded me a
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lot about my relationship with Jenny Lorenzo. We had this
moment where she was like, come with me, and I
was like, yeah, I just moved out of the kitchen,
like I just got here. I don't have the same
powers as you, you know what I mean? Like, oh,
what do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You're so right.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I had this thing where it was like, you have
it all. It's making me emotional again. I was like,
you have it all. Like I just got here. I
don't know what I'm capable, you know, And like BuzzFeed
was OZ.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
And and oh my god, I'm a political party. Oh shit.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
And that was a really painful moment for me because
I had to decide. I almost went with her. I
almost left, and even like a month later, I think
a few months later, I almost did leave again to
go with her. Yeah, but you know, we all have
our different paths of what's meant for us. But you know,
I don't that's some tea right there. Yeah, I don't
know that that makes me evil or a puppet or No,
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you're right. I think I was just afraid. And I
was young. I was like twenty seven years old.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yeah, when you think about it too, Alpha Ba was
having in the song the Wizard and I. She was
saying she had a vision and it's like unlimited, My
future is unlimited. And I just had a vision, almost
like a prophecy. I know it sounds truly crazy and true.
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The vision's hazy. Someday there'll be a celebration throughout OZ.
That's all to do with me, yes, crazy, And that's
what we see in the beginning where it's a celebration,
but it's a celebration of her death. So I think
Glinda also knows that she's having delusions of grandeur, which
is like what she says in the song yeah, Alfy yes.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And hair is caught to your photo behind you. What
it's a ghost, Your photos are in love with you.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Here stop. Yeah, sorry, you.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Were saying she's having delusions of grand of grandeur and
then yeah she said to Alfie yes.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
So so Glinda knows like you're kind of flipping out
a little bit, like you're kind of like like calm down,
like let's think rationally like And I think Glinda also
is still processing the fact that like, like what just happened,
you know. And I think she has so much trust
in that political system that she's like, of course it's Oz,
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like it's God, it's of course he's not going to
lead us astray, like it's Oz, like he's the only
one who can read this. But then Alphaba is the
only one who can read it. Actually, I think Glinda
also knows she doesn't have any real powers like Alpha Ba,
you know, so she can't go with her in part one,
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you know she can't what would she do? I mean,
but then also I mean, I don't want to get
into part two, but part two. At the beginning of
four Good, Alphaba sings, I'm limited, just look at me,
I'm limited, and look at you. You could do all
I couldn't do, because she sees Glinda does have power.
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She has the powers that Alphaba doesn't have, which is
her kind of like different sense of like confidence in
you know, being popular or being able.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
To it's so sad, like, I know, make it to
whatever you do, just make it to the song for Good,
just even that like moment of just being like, I'm
limited and look at me, you could do all I
couldn't do. So now it's up to you and you're
just like, oh yeah, there's just so much vulnerability in
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that song. Kbot, Kbot is our producer, Kbot. Just listen
to for Good.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
But you know what my favorite song is in Act
two is no Good Deed because if you think about it, also,
Alphabu is cleaning up everybody else's mess. She gets tricked
into a lot of things. She gets gasled into thinking
that she was the reason for her mother's death, like
but especially I mean, I don't want to spoil it
too much, but you know when when other people put
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spells on other people and they go wrong, Alphabu's the
one fixing it, alphabus trying to save people's lives. And
she sings this song called no Good Deed and it's
about like did I really make good? Or was I
just seeking attention? Like what is what is a good deed?
Like no good deed? No good deed goes unpunished, No
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good deed goes unpunished. And it's so it's her realization
that's like what the fuck? Like, yeah, yeah, you know,
it's so. It's one of my favorite songs just because
of the emotional intensity and vocally it is very very challenging. Yeah,
and I'm excited to see Cynthia do that me too.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
I'm scarying to see Cynthia and Ariannisy for good.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yes, oh my god, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
There's no shit in that theater. Can I tell you
a little bit of like my other like TikTok Low
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that I got into. I think a lot of the
things that people fans are talking about in the movies
is like the CGI versus the sets that were built right,
Like there's this incredible video on YouTube from the set
director where he talks about all the detail that he
had to put into building these sets, Like, for example,
they planted thousands of tulips so that they would appear
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in that like few scenes. The scenes where you see
the tulips are not CGI, they're real. But he talks
about how different tulips bloom at different rates, so he
had to plant them at different times.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Like the white ones.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
Yes, yeah, you know. He had to figure out all
that stuff out too. He had to build these massive
sets that could hold water. He had to build these
sets that like no matter where you moved around with
the camera, you know, they still were you could see
the lighting and the texture of the walls that they
had built. Basically, I do think that this is the
one time in a movie where I think the CGI
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does a disservice because there's so much of it that
you don't really know what's real, and so you don't
get to go like, oh, wow, that's amazing that they
built this thing. The other thing that everyone's talking about
too is that they did use their real voices, right,
Like these were actual takes that they're singing live. Yeah,
when Cynthia is being thrown in the around and on
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those little wrote, little bunge of things and she's flying
around her broom, she's actually singing and they're singing to
each other again, and yet another scene that you can't
really tell what's cgi and what's.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Her, but I yeah, I want to yes, I want
to reiterate that, Like, I think the thing that we're
missing in musical movies sometimes is casting people who can
sing and act, and I mean seeing capital letters, bold,
font impact bold, you know, like sing, yeah, singers. Yeah,
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I feel like that is a huge part of it.
And Ariana Grande has a they both have theater backgrounds,
theatrical backgrounds that help this for sure, and they you know,
acting of course, Like.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I think that's one of the biggest things that's like, yeah,
that's impressive because they can do it.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
They can do it. It's really amazing. So you go
and you watch it, you know that you're not listening
to people who are faking the funk up there. I
did also want to mention that there's a lot of
talk about different actors and the auditions, is who were
auditioning for this role. One of them that they talk
about Amanda Seafried, who is one of the girls from
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Mean Girls, and she's also in Mama Mia and Ley Miz.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
She played Cosette, which she was disappointed in how Cosette
came out and Ley Miz, which I understand, I get it.
And then she did a little song, I'm just like
girl once you've been in two musicals already. Yeah, let's
get somebody else to do it. But yeah, she she
auditioned during like while she was filming that Hulu series
(35:48):
about that like Scammer doc.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yes, and she said it it she lost a bunch
of weight. She was so stressed out, you said. Also
Renee Rap, Yes, Rene.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Rap, who by the way, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
She's cool, But like, I didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I didn't see it either. I wasn't seeing Glinda like ye,
Renee Rap is Regina George and Me and Grows the musical.
But I just didn't. I think I didn't like Me
and Girls the musical.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I didn't like it either. But she slays, She
slays no matter what in that musical. Dove Cameron people
really really really wanted Dove Cameron to be it because
Dove Cameron, she was on the Disney Channel. She oh, yeah,
the live version of Hairspray, which Ariana Grande was in also,
(36:43):
and she can sing as well. She can definitely sing.
And she had also a connection to Kristin chenn With
because of Christian chenn With was in Hairspray the musical live.
Oh and then also, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
There's.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Oh my god, wait, I need to mention this the
girl who originated Regina George on Broadway, Taylor Lauderman. She
also auditioned for it and found out she didn't get
it through the deadline article obviously, and she was heartbroken.
And she talks about how as actors and performers, we
(37:19):
need to not get so attached to a certain thing
because it can break us, and she said she got
way too attached to it and it kind of broke
her a little bit.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Wow. Yeah, I mean I can see that I've had
that happened to me in a lot of different ways too.
But you know, I think that I feel like the
role was for Ariana, Like I really don't think that
anybody could have given it because that kind of feels
like it's Arianna.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Did you know who Jaylo auditioned for Yes.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Jlo auditioned it for Madam what's.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Her name Marble Morble?
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Yeah, yeah, Madam Morble, which I also don't think Jaya
was gonna that part. I love how they casted or
cast that role as well. Nick and Joe Jonas also auditioned.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
For Zero, which Nick would be like, dancing through life
or that's such Joe dancing through life? And then Nick
would be like, can.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
I be blatantly honest in the most yes, asshole way?
And I would never say this outside of this conversation.
I feel like they would have cheapened the movie a
little bit.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Oh well, And like as far as dancing and acting wise,
I mean, I think I think Joe Jonas would have
killed it. I think he would have done well. The
singing part I'm not sure about. I don't know about
the dancing, but the acting he can. I've seen him
in his acting bag, you know, I think. But I
(38:52):
think Jonathan Bailey was the best choice.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Me too. I just would have been like, what in
high school musical am I watching? And we'll mention there
was a supposedly a Lady Gaga version. There was another director,
another director attached to the film in like I think
like it before twenty twenty or something, and Lady Gaga
(39:15):
was being considered for the role of Alphaba under the
direction of Stephen Deldrie. Sean Mendes was also in talks
for the role of Fierro, and supposedly Gaga's had like
a lot of had a lot of meetings in terms
of like her making the movie. I do think it
would have been interesting to see somebody like Lady Gaga
in a role like that. But I do feel like
(39:37):
having the version that we have now with Cynthia and Ariana,
sometimes the universe just they were ments, yes, in the
most perfect way, and this felt like there was nobody
else that could have played that role.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Welcoing to the astrology portion of the podcast, So what
sign do we think Alphaba and Glinda are? What kind
of vibe does Alphaba give you curly in.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Terms of signs, Yes, oh my god, I feel like
Alphaba could be a Earth sign. She's certainly giving like
she could be a Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That I was feeling that too.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, she could be a Capricorn. She could also be
like an Aries because she is a little bit like
she gets clearly she has a hard time stabilizing her mood.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Well, it's also other people being fuck asses. So well,
I mean, is that her fault? She's just reacting.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You can vocalize your emotions without you know, destroying a
building and flipping over all the benches.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Well, did it get her to where she needed to be?
Speaker 1 (40:56):
Well, it sounds like an are So.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Did I get her to it? Sure?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Did? Would say that it is for my interpretation.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I would have said, like, maybe Capricorn. But I asked
chat GBT, like, what's your interpretation of it? They said Scorpio.
I thought they said Alphabet's intense, passionate, and deeply misunderstood
all classic Scorpio traits. She's fiercely loyal to her values
and isn't afraid to go against the grain, embodying the
(41:29):
transformative and rebellious nature of Scorpio. Her deep emotions and
complex personality also align well with this water sign. I
would say her big three. I would say she is
a Capricorn son. Yeah, Scorpio mood rising Aquarius or rising
(41:51):
Libra or rising Virgo.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
I would say rising Virgo. For sure. She gives more
earth and emotion to me than she gives like and like.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, then Larry her Mars and her Mercury could be aries,
you know, because that's conflict and that's a communication where
she flies off the handle and Aries would fly off
the handle for sure, absolutely, And I feel like an
Aquarius rising would be. It totally aligns with the fact
that she's about deconstructing systematic shit.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yeah, So for Glinda, what do you think Glinda's Oh.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
My god, Glinda could be. She could be a Pisce's,
she could be a Burgo. She might be I don't
want to say she's a Leo because Leo's just feel
Leo's feel gaudy to me, but they don't have like
the playfulness that I feel like Glinda has. Wait, let
(42:52):
me think about this a little bit. They said Leo,
Did they say Leo?
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I feel like there's like the typical ones where you're like, yeah,
the likes gauwdiness, but Leo's don't have. I don't feel
like Leo's are like that.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Listen. So it says Glinda loves to be the center
of attention and radiates charm and confidence much like a Leo.
She thrives in the spotlight and has a playful, warm
and dramatic nature. Over time, she also shows the Leo
trait of loyalty and a big heart as her friendship
with Alphaba grows. I think she's a Leo's Sun, I
(43:27):
would say, and other people said like Libra also that
she may be a Libra sEH.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
I could see that.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
I maybe think a Libra moon. And I think she
may be a rising Sagittarius because I feel like when
you're a rising Sagittarius, you're basically like sky's the limit.
You'll do anything to get to where you want to go,
to be where you want to go, because it's your
(43:53):
passion and it's your drive. You're like so excited for it.
And it's like its just something about a Sagittaria, like
rising just gives me a lot of energy and also
a lot of like the possibilities are endless, are unlimited
if you will.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, And she also is like come with me, I can't.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay's she's adventurous. She's adventurous. Yeah, But then I feel like,
you know, you could take all these signs like her
big three and as a Leo, yes, they are very gaudy,
they're very playful, but in the playfulness they could be
a low vibrating Leo foundation where they're like they take
up space, because she definitely takes up a lot of space.
(44:34):
And then a Libra moon she could also be a
Gemini maybe a Gemini moon.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
I feel like she definitely has more air. She definitely
has some air placements because she's playful, she's fun. Sag
I can totally see because yes, like the adventurer and
the feistiness and the fire. Yeah, I like that. I
think I agree. I think there's definitely like I can
see the Leo, I can see the sash, and I
can see the air.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
So then if comparing their charts and comparing their compatibility,
a Leo would totally get under Scripio sun's skin, you know,
or Scorpio moonskin and a Capricorn sun and you know
what I'm saying. But I feel like it might be
like the Aquarius rising of Alpha, but that I've just
you know, deemed on her, and then the Sagittarius rising
(45:24):
of Glinda. That could be harmonious because it's like, hey,
this shit's going down, you want to come with me?
For sure, let's go, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
But then it's crazy, is that my we know this already.
But most of my ex boyfriends have been Scorpio moons,
and I'm sorry, whoa, most of my boyfriends have been
Leo moons. I'm a Scorpio moon, and so we have
never agreed on the level of attention that we like,
(45:53):
and so we who I tend to be more like
ball cap hoodie. I don't want that much attention, and
it's what we do for a living, and a lot
of times the men that I date like the attention,
and so it feels a little bit like the Alpha
ba Glenda kind of complex of light.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I'm psychic, you know, I've heard it sad okay, Well,
and that concludes the astrology portion of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know what's so funny is that we are like
three seasons deep, and I think that we always call it.
I always call it the zodiac section, and you call
it the astrology section, and sometimes we'll say it at
the same time, and we just never are We never
call it the same thing. Three seasons later, I just.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Put astro for everything.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
So, yeah, my chair, but in my head, I'm always
like Zodiac. I always say Zodiac. Well, Maya, how do
you plead I.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Loved Wicked so much? I wish that I had known
about like auditioning for it, not as Alphaba or Glinda,
but just you know, I could have been like Boen
Yang's like little psidekick to know saying like I.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Was thinking that too, who's that girl?
Speaker 2 (47:09):
I don't know? But she was funny. She was super funny.
But I'm like, why am I not like in those
spaces Like it just inspired me so much to be
like I want to be a part of this magic.
And I think that's the beautiful thing when you do
move movie musicals, right that even other people who are
not necessarily into musicals, it still hits them in some way.
(47:30):
And this musical is twenty years old, so it is
something that has really captivated us all. And I'm excited
for part two.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, I was seeing heard it said speech, go ahead,
I got nothing. I just feel like, go watch it.
It's really good. Go have a cry, think about you know,
your relationships, Get in the car, put the put the
Spotify Apple playlist of the musical, get to the songs
(48:04):
No Good Deed and for Good. Come back and talk
to us about it. Let us know what you think,
and enjoy the movie. Definitely, don't drink a lot of
liquids while you're watching it. This is a bit of
a long film.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Yeah, watched two hours and forty.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I watched several people in theaters get up to go pee,
and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Ill, you can pee, well, I know, there's a lot
of other things. I think you can pee during Well,
if you know the musical, you can pee during Sentimental
Man when Jeff gold Room.
Speaker 1 (48:37):
Blew, Oh my god, yes, yeah, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Okay, Thank you so much for listening to another episode
of the Super Secret Besty Club podcast. Curly, How can
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