Episode 16 : The Truth About Jan. 6 with Julie Kelly

January 6th, 2021. We of course all know what happened at the Capitol. Or do we? On this episode, Lisa gets to the bottom of what happened on that fateful day by bringing on someone who knows more about January 6th than probably anyone....Julie Kelly, an author and commentator whose writings for American Greatness offer the single most insightful and comprehensive examination of the events at the Capitol and their aftermath. The media, the bureaucracy, the political elite — they’re all pushing the same narrative: that a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol in a violent insurrection to destroy democracy. But what if there’s more to the story? What if crucial details are missing — or being ignored? What if the prevailing narrative was designed to be a political weapon, not the truth? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Up next, The Truth with Lisa Both part of the
game January six two one. We all know what happened
that day? Or do we? The media, the bureaucracy, the
political lead. They're all pushing the same narrative that a
mob of Trump's supporters stormed the capital and a violent
insurrection to destroy democracy. But what if there's more to

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the story. What if crucial details are missing or being ignored.
What if the prevailing narrative was designed to be a
political weapon, not the truth? Today, I get to the
bottom of what happened on that fateful day in January.
This is the Truth with Lisa Booth. Ye, welcome back

(00:46):
to the Truth with Lisa Booth. I've got a really
important show for you guys this week. So as you know,
this podcast is about rejecting group think. It's about getting
to the truth, even if it makes people feel uncomfortable.
And nothing has become more dominated by group think than
the events of January six two thou one. Across the

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political spectrum and certainly in the media, the prevailing consensus
is that a mob of Trump supporters stormed the capital
and the Violet insurrection to change the results of election
and destroy American democracy. That's what we're supposed to think,
that's the narrative. But are we missing something? Is there
more to the story what actually happened that day on

(01:32):
January six? To answer all of these questions, I'm bringing
in someone who knows more about January six than probably anyone,
Julie Kelly, who was a political commentator and a senior
contributor to American Greatness. She's also closely covered the prosecution
of those who breached the capital, revealing some disturbing details
that I think should trouble all Americans. Julie is also

(01:55):
the author of Disloyal Opposition, How the Never Trump Right
Tried and Failed to down the President, which came out
last year. And with that and pleased to welcome Julie
Kelly to the show. Julie, thanks so much for joining
The Truth with Lisa Booth. Lisa, thank you so much
for having me on and for covering this really important issue.
I really appreciate it. It really is. But it's so

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weird that there doesn't seem to be much of a
concern on behalf of many in the media to actually
get to the bottom of what happened on January six
and We've seen a lot of selective coverage. We've seen
a lot of reports end up being incorrect as well.
But why why do you think there's a lack of
interest in actually getting to the full details of what
happened on January six? Well, primarily Lisa, because what we

(02:42):
were told right out of the box, what happened January
six was an armed, deadly insurrection caused by Trump supporters.
It now, it not only was used as the justification
to get Trump offs of social media, which of course
big tech wanted for years, also to silence any criticism

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about the election, but more alarmingly, the events of January six,
the way it's been portrayed, is being used as a
pretext to pursue all sorts of Democratic Party objectives, uh
not the least of which is weaponizing our Justice Department,
our Department of Homeland Security, even our Defense Department and

(03:24):
uh national Intelligence community against people on the right. And
they've wasted no time exploiting what happened January six to
weaponize the federal government even more so than it was
under Donald Trump, not just going after Trump and his people,
but now going after millions of Americans for the wrong

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think about what happened in and was it an arms
insurrection as the media and the left I've told us, Uh,
it was not unless you consider things like pepper spray,
a few flagpoles of riot shields. Uh, some people had
little collapsible batons. Um. There were no firearms, and I

(04:09):
want to say that again, no firearms that were found
or certainly used in the capital that day, with the
exception of the U. S. Capitol police officer who shot
and killed Ashley Babbitt. Now there are two or three
charges of illegal firearm possession which within Washington, d C.

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But no one was carrying or no one has been
caught or charged with carrying a firearm in the capital. Um.
And so that was just the beginning of the falsehood
about what happened that day, and that really was launched
by Nancy Pelosi in her press conference the day after
where she called it an armed insurrection without any evidence.

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But after looking at all the charging documents, all the indictments, Um,
there they still have not found to anybody. They cannot
prove that anybody had firearms in the building that day.
You seem to be one of the only people that
is actually thoroughly trying to uncover what happened on January six.
Why Why has the story been of such interest to you?

(05:15):
That's such a good question, Lisa. I think watching the
events unfold that day, and watching watching the reaction, the
coordinated action, a reaction from the left and the right
and most of the media, just raised all sorts of
red flags. To me. Anytime they're all on the same page,
I figure I should be on the other page. And

(05:37):
that is just really mostly a result of, you know,
watching what this Justice Department and the media and intelligence
community attempted to do to Donald Trump. You know, I
followed Russia Gate, size the Gate very closely, um and
then obviously the impeachment, and the intelligence community their involvement
in that. So anytime you have people like Mitt Romney

(05:59):
and Fancy Pelosi and the media all singing from the
same hymnal, you have to suspect that something is up.
I do want to clarify there are people there who
acted badly that day. We know that, we see the videos,
we have the evidence. There are people there who did
attack police officers, who vandalized the building, who acted in

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a way that they shouldn't have been uh, And those
people should and are being prosecuted. But when you have
people and we can talk about some of the more
outrageous cases, not the least of which is the Indiana
grandmother who pleaded guilty this week to one misdemeanor of
parading or picketing in the Capitol building and now is

(06:42):
on probation for three years. Um. You know this nationwide
FBI man hunt where Mary Garland now is bragging they've
arrested five people, mostly for trespassing and disorderly conduct. Um,
I mean, something is up there. And so that's sort
of a long winded answer about why disinterested me. I

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thought from the get go that most of it was
a ruse, and I think that that is turning out
to be the reality. Well, and what's odd is, you
know you've tweeted this before that you know the Capitol Police.
There's at least over hours of footage from noon to
EPM that you know, we haven't seen, that hasn't been
put out. Why is that? Yes, that's a terrific question.

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Why is that? Why is the U. S. Capitol Police
arguing in court filings that this material should be kept
private from the American public. One justification, one reason they
gave was because they did not want the more potential
insurrectionists to see the insides and outsides of the US

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Capital that might provoke another attack. I mean, that's just
hilarious on its face. But what's even worse, Lisa, is
what's happening in court. You have the Justice Department claiming
that this these videos are highly sensitive government material. Therefore
they can just cherry pick whatever clips they only have
access to present them in court in a very one

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sided way. Defense attorneys are are complaining that they want
to see the whole trove of video related to their
client because it could of course include exculpatory evidence. For example,
the US Capital police, which we know we're attacking protesters
outside spraying them with pepper spray, using flash bangs, and
any of the protesters fought back against that, which most

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normal people would they want to see that video, But
the Justice Department and in judges in Washington, d C.
Are doing their best to conceal that from not just
the public the media, but defense attorneys and the defendants themselves.
What but why what are they trying to hide? Well,
that also begs the question that perhaps some of the
video would counter the narratives that they're trying to drive

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or negate some of the charges that you know they're
filing against some individuals. I mean, for instance, we've seen
videos on social media that give the appearance that Capitol
police officers are letting protesters in or are standing peacefully
as individuals check out the Capitol and various parts of
the building. Um. You know, so how would it be
an insurrection or how are people charged if there were

(09:19):
allowed into the building. That's a great question, I mean,
and that is something that's down the road the government
is going to have to explain in court. Um. A
Senator Ron Johnson, Now, there are two committees who have
access to the trove of footage that the US Capitol
Police captured that day, and Ron Johnson is one of them.

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His staff has reviewed some of the footage already and
they have flagged a part of the footage right around
two thirty that day from the inside of the Capitol,
where it shows an individual trying to open a set
of double doors on the west upper terrorists. The person
cannot do is on success fault that person leaves. Five

(10:02):
unidentified people come back. A US Capital Police officer points
in the direction of this double door. The five people
go over, successfully opened the door, leave the door, ajar Is,
They exit the building, and more than three hundred people
protesters then enter the building. Now, if you're on that side,

(10:23):
you're thinking, okay, well, for whatever reason they opened the door,
there were Capital police standing right there. They didn't arrest them,
they didn't tell them to leave, they didn't do anything.
So those people are being charged, even though they will
stay in court filings and and admit say, we we
walked in the Capital through open doors. There were Capital

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police standing right there. We didn't think we were doing
anything wrong. So who did that? So this is the
sort of evidence, This is the sort of thing that
we would find out if we had access public access
to what you just said, the fourteen thousand of uh
A video from both inside and outside the building on

(11:06):
January six. So there's also been questions, you know, regarding that,
and of course when there's a lack of transparency, it
ends up raising a ton of questions, and so it's
you know, it's always the best to be the most
transparent in the process, and then you mitigate additional questions,
and you know, you mitigate conspiracy theories and et cetera. Right,

(11:26):
you know, but there's there's also been allegations and concerns
that the FBI infiltrated the Capitol Hill, you know, the
January six events, particularly key groups like oath Keepers, Proud Boys,
three per Centers, similarly to how the FBI, you know,
allegedly infiltrated the plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. What do

(11:47):
you know about this and you know how much truth
is to it and is there to it? And what
do we know about it? Basically? Well, I think that
the Revolver piece written by Darren Batty raises some really
legitimate questions, especially on the oath Keeper's case. And I
covered the oath Keeper's case pretty extensively from the beginning. Uh,
And let's just back up with that. This is an

(12:09):
absolutely absurd conspiracy case filed against sixteen Americans who are
oath keepers. All they did was planned to travel to Washington.
E see here the President's speech. They were outside the Capitol,
they entered the building and what they call a stack formation.
They're all of them are ex veterans or they I'm sorry,
they are veterans enter the Capitol in a stack formation.

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They had no weapons, They assaulted no one. They didn't
attack a police officer, They didn't vandalize the building, they
didn't steal anything. They literally walked in together, took pictures,
walked out, talked about how they stormed the capitol, you know,
using all this kind of hyperbole. They didn't commit any
criminal act. But our Justice Department had been rounding these

(12:54):
people up since the middle of January. Two of them
are in this what I call the deplorable jail, which
I'm sure we'll talk about in a bit here, uh
denied bail, held in pre trial detention while the government
tries to build this conspiracy case against them. So what
is being raised is, while they've arrested sixteen Oathkeepers, one

(13:16):
of them just leading guilty this week to conspiracy, where
are persons one through ten, Persons one through twenty who
are cited in the indictment against the Oathkeepers. Why isn't
person one who they believe the Stewart Rhodes, the founder
and head of of Oath Keepers, Why hasn't he been
charged with anything yet? They basically have all the evidence

(13:38):
they're going to need. They have videos of them in
the hotel in Virginia. They have text messages they shared
beginning in November. What are they waiting for? So I
think you have to assume given the FBI's recent history,
not just with the Whitmer plot, but with Russia Gate
and by the Gate. Remember Lisa, we were told they

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ran no informants or spies into the Trump campaign. Well
of course they did, um And so we have to assume,
given the FBI's history there unjustified animus towards groups like
the Oath Keepers uh that they would be running informants,
some sort of spy, some sort of confidential human source

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into these organizations, not just to collect information, but to
instigate and provoke them into doing what they did on
January six. And talk a little bit about for the
folks at home who are unaware of the FBI's involvement
in the Whitmer plot. The Governor Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan,
the governor of Michigan. So basically, I believe they had

(14:41):
five FBI agents or informants in one form or the other,
who got kind of the sad set group together and
led the way into this assassination plot. It was called
against Scratch and Whitmer. The governor of Michigan. Uh, and
I believe that it was exposed in October the court filings.

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But through the court filing, Stay not just was getting
collecting information that they basically were the ringleaders and putting
together this so called assassination plot against Gretta Whitmer. Um.
And so I know that a Revolver News and others
have more details on that case. Um. But Revolver News

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also has an updated article that talks about five or
six examples of during the War on Terror when the
FBI was doing the same thing, sort of inciting people
UH along with you know ISIS or al Qaeda sympathies
to concoct these terrorist plots and then they could brag

(15:44):
about it they broke it up, which was what we
saw with the Whitmer case. To it also raises questions
if the FBI was involved, and the FBI was aware
that these events or some sort of events would unfold
on January six, why didn't they do more to stop
it or why didn't they stop it? That is another
great question. I mean, look, you had Acting Attorney General
Jeffrey Rosen testify in Congress before a House committee a

(16:07):
few months ago that the d O j sent more
than five hundred agents to the Capitol on January six? Well,
who who were they? He specifically said, FBI and a
t F agents. I'll tell you of all the videos
that I've seen, I haven't seen any agents who are
identified as FBI. Could you see if these Trump supporters
who were just there thinking they were participating in a protest,

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if they saw people coming in with FBI and a
t F jackets on our gear, they would have dispersed immediately.
Who were these five hundred agents? What were they doing?
Were they there before, during, after? What was their role?
No one is asking that question. Chris Ray, this FBI
after James called me the stench of James Comey lingers

(16:53):
On and the Federal Bureau of Investigations. Chris Ray is
no better, if not worse than Jim comb Um. He
is the one who is insisting as our cities burned down, meltdown,
are besieged by criminals, night after night, he continues to
tell the American people that domestic violent extremists posed the

(17:14):
biggest security threat to the American people. That is complete garbage.
He cannot prove any of it. In fact, when he
tried to, he had to reach back to like fourteen
for random examples of lone wolf sort of activity that
he couldn't even tie to domestic violent extremists as they

(17:34):
call it, so out its space. Chris Ray is not
a trustworthy person. He has a political agenda. Um. He
is the one trying to convince, for whatever reason, that
these Trump supporters are the real threat. Meanwhile, his agents
are dispersed across this country banging down the doors of
innocent people Americans to terrify them, people who have no

(17:58):
criminal record. They did this again yesterday. Lisa arrested at
Florida pastor and his son the Sun was arrested in
front of his three year old daughter. He's charged with
three counts trestpassing just two trespassing charges basically and disorderly conduct.
And they had their guns out. Uh. The daughter was

(18:19):
asking why daddy's hands locked. Um, he was hauled off,
you know, to to be arrested and charged for what
I mean, this is a terror campaign against the American
people that's being led by this FBI. We should trust
nothing that's coming out of that agency. Well, I don't
trust them at all. And it's also you know, I mean,

(18:40):
we saw what happened over the summer, and we saw
what has happened recently. You have Antifa and these left
wing groups, domestic terrorists in places like Portland, Oregon, locking
federal agents inside federal courthouse and trying to light it
on fire and potentially killing federal agents. But that's not
an insurrection. Well it's not because, as Mayor Garland explained, well,

(19:03):
burning down the Portland Courthouse at night is not any
kind of insurrection because nobody was there. It's only an insurrection.
I guess if you what, nobody even tried to burn
down the Capitol building. These people didn't do anything. There
are a couple of windows smashed. You might remember, Lisa,
we were first told there was thirty million dollars of

(19:23):
damage to the Capitol. Now in court filings it's one
point four million damages. So another lie that we were
told about what happened. Um, but it was really telling. Again,
as Chris Ray a few weeks ago testifying he was
actually confronted about the difference between the Portland rioters and
what happened on January six, the reason why he really

(19:45):
tap danced about, well, these weren't really federal crimes. Well,
as someone pointed out, well, they were attacking federal officers.
They were attacking federal property, the courthouse, the ice building.
Uh so what's the difference. And he said, well, we're
still looking into this. You know, we're still investigating what
happened a year later. But yet they were arresting people

(20:06):
as early as January eight of this year. I mean,
none of this makes sense. And luckily, Lisa, to your point,
a lot of Americans see a huge discrepancy an unequal
system of justice and how the ANTIFA BLM rioters were
treated are treated and January six defendants. Well, and to

(20:26):
the you had mentioned what the Attorney General, Merck Garland said,
I'm reading a New York Post article right now just
for you know, point of clarity, to make sure I
have my information correct, literally saying Portland protesters barricade courthouse
with federal officers inside and then try to set it
on fire. So, uh, you know, some of these statements
from the people in charge seemed to be dubious at best,

(20:47):
but it also raises the question of you know, obviously
you've mentioned, you know, considerable resources that the FBI has
placed in this over five people charge. I believe you
had pointed out one point, the acting Deputy Attorney General
and something you had written, John Carlin bragged about how
the FBI had made an average of more than four
rests per day, seven days a week since January six

(21:07):
at one point, So, considering the amount of invested resources
and getting to the bottom of what happened on January six,
or going after these individuals, why haven't they been able
to identify who laid the pipe bombs at the RNC
in the d n C. I don't know. I just
have no idea who was that person? I mean, the
pipeons to the extent that they were even anything that

(21:30):
would have worked. Who is that person? They have video?
How can you track down Grandma's and you know veterans
with ease, but you can't find that person. Another sketchy
timing issue. I mean that claim about pipe bonbs came
out at the exact same time when all of this
was unfolding. It's almost like they had a set timeline

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of how they were going to on that day reveal
all the dangerous activity. So that came out about the
same time that Trump's speech ended and people started walking
towards the Capitol building. And this was another thing involvement
of the U. S. Capitol Police, who for the most
part are bad actors in the January six protest. Some

(22:15):
of them acted heroically, but that agency overall, um has
been acting as you know, basically Nancy Pelosi's personal stormtroopers.
They did that day and they've been her bodyguards ever since.
So yes, they were the ones who alerted people that
this these pipe bombs had been planted. Well now we're
almost six months later and no one has been ideed

(22:38):
or charged with that. So just another unknown, another part
of the narrative that doesn't add up and has not
been proven. Also kind of weird that, you know, they
used the events of January six to then have tens
of thousands of National Guard troops surrounding the capital for
an extended period of time. But just a point of
oddity there. Um. You know, you had raised sort of

(23:01):
the concern about people being targeted for you know, quote
unquote wrong think. You had talked about how a high
school senior at one point and when of your writings,
uh or it might have been on Twitter. My apologies,
but about how a high school senior was held without
baiar bail after prosecutors argued that his parents could not
be trusted custodians because he was homeschooled and quote unquote
ingested their political beliefs. And to talk about, you know,

(23:25):
some of the the evidence of individuals being targeted for
wrong think or their political viewpoints or just their viewpoints
in general. Well, I think that case and I wrote
about that, and I believe it was early maybe mid February,
that case really was the one. And it's Bruno Kua.
He's an eighteen year old high school senior at the time.

(23:46):
Um traveled to Washington with his parents. He's homeschools. The
mother's and next former veterin area and she's stays home
to homeschool her three children. They live on a Georgia farm.
You know, nothing, perfectly typical upstanding American family. Uh. Bruno's
eighteen years old. He had very strong political beliefs, big

(24:07):
supporter of Donald Trump. You know, said some stupid things
on social media, as anyone who has an eighteen year old,
uh will it test to They say stupid things all
the time, but especially on social media. So they tracked
down this kid, they arrested him, and Georgia transported him
to a jail. In Oklahoma City. The government argued um

(24:31):
vigorously against his release. UM based on his conduct inside
the capitol that day. Uh, he's accused of assaulting a
police officer. Again, this is based on just videos and
photographed that the government has um. But what was really
alarming Lisa is hearing federal prosecutors, government lawyers talk about

(24:52):
how he cannot be released to his parents, that they're
not suitable custodians because they home schooled him. And that's
where Bruno picked up ingested. Those were exact words, ingested
his parents political beliefs. At one point in an interrogation
I call it, which was his attention hearing Bruno's father

(25:14):
is pushed by a federal prosecutor and criticized for taking
Bruno to stop this steal rally in Georgia in December
I believe might have been November December, and the prosecutor says,
you know, you realized, basically that this stopped the Steel
narrative is not true, that no one stole the election,

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And of course the father dutifully says, well, yes, of
course I recognize that now you would say anything to
save to spare your your child. But this is the
sort of thing that is happening over and over, not
just in court hearings, in court filings, the evidence that um,
someone does not believe that the election was legitimate, that

(25:57):
Joe Biden did not win enough legitimate votes, that it
was rigged, that he was not fairly elected. That is
being used as evidence to prove someone's criminality and certainly
as evidence to keep them behind bars awaiting these delayed
trials which the government shockingly is asking for in so

(26:18):
many cases, even for non violent criminals, but also that
the court is signing off on. So this is really
the uh, this is really the just one more piece
of the alarming persecution of Trump supporters by this Justice Department.
More Julie Kelly from American Greatness. Next, Nancy Pelosi tweeted

(26:44):
out that the election was hijacked. Of course, the media
and the left pushed the lie that Russia stole the election,
So why would it then be dangerous to question election?
That's I mean, for those of us who were paying attention,
we saw this for four solid years, Lisa, I mean
Nancy Pelosi and every Democrat, uh said that the election

(27:09):
was not valid because it was influenced by Vladimir putin,
of course, another lie that we were told, Um, every
media outlet repeated that. I mean, we had a whole
Special Council investigation into an imaginary crime, that the election
was hijacked by the Kremlin. None of it was true,

(27:30):
and that was okay. It was not only okay, it
was required the people on the left, the so called resistance,
had to believe that Donald Trump was a putin stooge
and he only won because of you know whatever some
Facebook posts that that the Kremlin put up just silliness. Um.
And so not only did they try to overturn the

(27:53):
election with the Special Council investigation, but with the entire
across by our hurricane, the origination of the cross by
a hurricane investigation, which was launched you know now almost
exactly five years ago, um, and then the impeachment trial.
I mean, they never stopped trying to overturn the election results.

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But all that came to a screeching hall of course
on January six. And now it is not just forbidden,
it's not just out of fashion to question election. It
actually makes you a criminal, which is terrifying because you
know that's what happens in countries like Russia not supposed
to be what happens in the United States of America.

(28:34):
That's right, and um, you know the case this week.
I wrote about it this week. Uh Anna Morgan Lloyd,
who is this forty nine year old grandmother from southern Indiana.
You know, cute little thing, never been in trouble in
her life, went to the Washington d C with a friend,
went inside the Capitol building for five seven minutes, came out,

(28:55):
didn't touch anyone, didn't do anything wrong. Her entire life
has been upbended. A lot of these people need court
appointed attorneys or public defenders from Washington, d C. Now, Lisa,
imagine the political views of a d C criminal defense attorney. Right.
These are not Trump people. In fact, I've heard from
defendants who have said their public defenders have come right

(29:16):
out inside of them. I hate Donald Trump. I hate
everything about it. So these people are not getting good
representation either. Her lawyer and Morgan Lloyd's lawyer gave her
reading list um and and said that, and has said
publicly she thinks America is a great country except it
was built on slaves and the genocide of Native Americans.

(29:37):
This is a woman now who is defending a Trump
allegedly defending a Trump supporter, gave her this whole list,
wanted her to essentially acknowledge and apologize for her white privilege. Um.
And that is essentially what she had to do in
court now instead of the judge saying, this is totally

(29:59):
out of ounds. You have no right to give your
client as in you're being paid by tax dollars, you're
a client. Anything to read this has She's not charged
with any racist, any racist crimes. She wasn't. This wasn't
racially motivated. This wasn't motivated by her hatred of Native
Americans or black people or anyone else. Um. But instead

(30:21):
she had to beg for mercy for the court say
that she's you know, changed her views on the death penalty,
and her son in law, you know is now was
a Holocaust deniron. She didn't understand that. So she pleaded
guilty too, as I said, creating and picketing in Congress,
but not before the government had its way with her.

(30:41):
And you know, that's just one example of what the
government and these so called defense attorneys are doing to
Trump supporters. So it is the reprogramming, d programming, brainwashing,
whatever you want to call it of people on the right. Well,
and you know said, I assume as you you sort

(31:02):
of alluded to and said that it's probably been difficult
for some of these folks to find good representation. And
we saw the President of the United States was having
difficulty getting good legal representation in his own impeachment trial.
So I imagine that these individuals have probably had a
hard time finding good legal representation. It's they can't, I mean,
they just cannot afford it at all, which is I

(31:24):
think another reason why the FBI is targeting these people. Um.
And you know, it's important to realize that every case
is being run out of Washington, d C. So these
people are the ones who are than being uh detained
awaiting trial, are transported to Washington, d C. Away from
their homes, away from their families. To be held in

(31:46):
this jail and Washington, d C. They have to have
d C lawyers who are familiar with the d C
legal system, and those lawyers are very expensive, So only
a few I mean I heard from one defend It's
family this week who has already spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars defending their son um against these charges. But

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he's still in jail. And so the I mean at
the minimum it's fifty dollars these lawyers want and retainers.
These people don't have that at all. So it's a
rigged system, totally stacked against these people by the same judges.
You'll you know these names, Lisa and Mett Sullivan, Any Berman, Jackson,

(32:28):
Beryl Howell, Rudy Contreris, all the judges who were overseeing
did everything that they could to try to take down
Donald Trump, uh in the d C legal system for
four years. These are the same judges facing these really helpless,
non violent, uh not criminal January six defendants. I mean

(32:50):
they have they have no shot. They don't even know
what they're up against, Lisa, and so this is why
the Justice Department is taking advantage of it and talk
about the jail conditions, talk about the treatment of some
of the defendants, the way that they've been treated by
our legal system, it's horrific. I mean, as I said,
they have opened up the d C Department of Corrections

(33:12):
opened up what the detainees call a pod. So this
was a section of the correctional treatment facility opened up
just to house January six defendants. So they've been transported
all over the country. One man, it took them the U. S.
Marshals seventy days to transport him from Colorado to this
jail in Washington, d C. Where they have been held

(33:33):
for months awaiting delayed trials. Held in what I call
it what they call solitary confinement conditions where they were
remained in a cell seven by ten cell with only
a bed um and a toilet two for twenty three
hours a day. They were let out one hour a
day to uh, you know, attend to their personal hygiene.

(33:57):
Although it's only a shower. They have no shaving they have.
The barbershop is closed. They can't even cut their nails. Um,
And so they could shower, try to talk to their
family and try to talk to their lawyers. That's it.
So I just heard this weekend that they've opened that
up to two point five hours a day outside of
their cell um. They are served breakfast at three am. Um.

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There's reports of guards beating some of these defendants. Um.
They were told to stop seeing God Bless America, which
they all were doing at night together to try to
keep morale up. Um, they were told to stop doing that. Uh,
there's no library open, they can't exercise, there's no worship.
So it is really a Shawshank type of situation. For

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lack of a better description, for these people who have
not been convicted of a crime. Last time I checked,
people who are charged with crimes are still innocent until
proven guilty. Everything we believe about our justice and legal
system has been flipped on its head when it relates
to January six. They are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

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Due process has been completely thrown out the window. They
have been subjected to harsh punishment awaiting trial. These people
don't even have trial dates, Lisa. They have no idea
how long they're gonna be languishing and pre trial detention
in this DC jail, and the judges continue to just
sign off on it and just continue their cases and

(35:28):
wait for the government to put their cases together. What
they're trying to do, obviously is torture these people, make
them an example. But the long term political objective is
should drag this out into this will be Robert Mueller
two point oh where they use these investigations uh as
a political weapon against the so called sedition Caucus, the

(35:50):
House members and senators who wanted to object to the
certification on that day, wanted to tend a audit. They
are going to hang these cases around the next of
those Republicans and try to use it to defeat them because,
of course, as you know, the Democrats have a very
very good chance of losing the House next year, so
this is their only hope to damage Republican candidates and

(36:15):
try to keep the House. But I think with the
what's the most dangerous is when you start to have
the Department of Justice and the FBI and the left
try to weaponize the tools of government against political dissenters. Yes,
it's terrifying, and that what you just said is not
an over exaggeration. That is precisely what's happening. It took

(36:37):
four years between the FBI ambushing Mike Flynn in the
White House to ambushing business owners in Alaska, two veterans
at their homes in Florida, um and in grandmothers in Indiana.
It only took four short years. And you know why, Lisa,
because no one who did that was punished, No one

(36:59):
has been held accoun honable for what they did, weaponizing
the Justice Department, the CIA, and the FBI against Donald
Trump and his campaign and his associates, they're all. No
one has been held accountable. No one is paying the
price for illegally using our most powerful surveillance to advise
a warrant against an American. When they can get away

(37:21):
with that, when they can get away with what they
did for four years against Donald Trump, of course they're
going to use that against regular Americans. And for people
listening who think, well, of course it's only the people
who are were at the Capital, No it isn't. They
are going to be coming for all of us in
one way or the other. This Justice Department today on Friday,
is announcing a lawsuit against the state of Georgia for

(37:43):
it's what they call voter suppression law. They are going
to run rough shot over everyone on the right until
we submit to accepting rigged uh illegitimate elections presidential elections
and silence any criticism of this government or anyone on
the left. That is what's happening. It's terrifying. This investigation

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is just one part of it. Um. But for anyone
who thinks that they are going to be immune to
these awesome government powers that they have made no secret
they want to use against us, you won't be there.
They will come for for everyone in one way or
the other. Well, and also for anyone listening who has

(38:29):
a problem with this conversation or who wants to d
emit dangerous. I'm sorry. Conservatives have every right to question
the FBI and the d o J and those authority,
particularly when you have the Inspector General finding that there
were seventeen errors and omissions all going in the direction
of hurting Donald Trump with the fis A warrants that
the FBI and the d o J obtained against Obama
and Biden's political opponent, which was then Donald Trump. So yeah,

(38:52):
we have and then you even have Kevin Klein Smith
who doctored an email to try to indict the Trump
campaign and to damage them. So you know, you can
go fly kite if anyone says that we're not allowed
to have this conversation or to question those an authority
and to question what happened, and it usually you had
also made well first of all, also, where where's Kim
Kardashian or Van Jones or any of those people on

(39:15):
this that's right? Where are our freedom you know, where
are the libertarians? Where are the criminal justice reformers? The
prison reformers they have been can put well. And look,
I'm not just gonna blame the people on the left
who usually take up these causes. Where are the Republicans
on this? I mean we have heard from a houseful
of a handful of House Republicans and a couple of

(39:39):
Senators Ron Johnson once again on the forefront of taking
this on. Where Where where is everyone they should be
outside of this jail screaming every day. You don't have
to defend bad behavior in the service of defending the
rule of law and what is clearly in condemning what
is clearly an unequal system of justice. We can't tolerate

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that in this country, Lisa, imagine for a moment if
it were one year ago Donald Trump and Bill Barr
were on a nationwide man hunt hunting down the Lassiett
Square protesters, people who actually attacked cops, who burned property,
including a church, you know, steps from the White House,

(40:23):
in menacing Donald Trump and the White House. Imagine if
for months they were on a nationwide man hunt dragging
these people back to DC, holding them in jail pre
trial detention. Um, can you imagine the outrage, not just
on the left, but on the right, I mean, we
would have every single Republican senator condemning that, saying this

(40:44):
is not what our Justice Department should be used for.
But we've heard basically nothing, um, which is this is
a dangerous time for I mean, this is a harbinger
of what we can expect from Republican leadership when our
very own people are being uh persecuted by a powerful
government agency, and that is they're too afraid to say anything. Well,

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people would lose their minds if it was President Trump
and Bill Barr I would ask you to you wrote
in an o ed. I thought it was a really
good point that you made a lot of really good points,
But this I found interesting. You're talking about big tech
and when will big tech face reckoning for January six
and you asked this question in the otbed you so
you say, so, if the sitting president of the United States,

(41:29):
along with regular Americans, can be punished for using these
platforms to allegedly stoked violence, what is the liability of
the company's themselves. Talk a little bit about that, and
what you wrote in that out ed, well, the whole
premise for parlor being the platform and shutdown and everything
removed from Amazon Web Services. Was because it acted as

(41:52):
a vehicle to uh to foment the insurrection that day,
because there are a lot of people allegedly on Parlor
who were communicating and posting things that they were going
to do that day and communicating otherwise. Well, Facebook and
Twitter had most of the evidence, has most of the
d m s, most of the postings about what happened

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that day. So why is Parlor why was it basically
destroyed from what alleged for what happened January six? But
not Facebook and Twitter? Um So if the people using
those platforms were committing some crime, and let me just say,
in one case this week, people have been charged with
destroying government evidence for deleting their own Facebook account. So

(42:36):
if that is a crime, deleting your Facebook account is
a crime using Facebook to communicate, Well, when is Facebook
going to be charged? When will Twitter be charged? Why
was Parlor the only one who paid a price? Not
Facebook and Twitter? So that's just you know, another part
of people, you know, this disparity in in who's being

(43:00):
punished and who isn't. Didn't Parlor send the FBI advanced
warnings of specific plots to use violence at the Capitol.
They did. They alerted the FBI. Uh, they have letters
and communications that they sent to the FBI that they
were seeing sort of alarming chat chatter and posts on
that platform about what was going to happen on January six.

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The FBI did nothing, um and so. But of course,
because that is considered a platform of the right, they
are basically no one uses Parlor anymore, unfortunately because of
what happened after that. But Facebook, you know, they came
out and the Democrats said their usual thing to Facebook,
you know, why were you involved in this? Etcetera, etcetera.

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But you know, they they have not been charged with anything.
Did Twitter or Facebook send advance warnings to the FBI,
Not that I am aware of. I don't think so,
not that I'm aware of. But Parlor was the one
that was called out and bear the brunt, Yet they
earned the FBI and Twitter and FBI to our knowledge
or Twitter and Facebook to our knowledge, did not exactly.

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But look, Facebook and Twitter did what they needed to
do to protect themselves, which was immediately d platform Donald
Trump take away his accounts permanently. Um also purged you know,
tens of thousands of user accounts who were peddling conspiracy theories.
Anybody who posted anything about que was the platformed. Obviously,

(44:28):
people like Sydney Powell Mike Flynn last their accounts to
on on Twitter. So, Um, that purge of the right
satisfied I guess the Justice Department enough that they didn't
feel like they had to go after them criminally for
any reason. Well, and what I think is truly scary
scary is you know, the collective message from big tech,

(44:50):
from Congress, from the left, from the people in charge,
from corporations, is that we get to control what conversations
are allowed to have in America, what you're allowed to think. Uh,
and then if you engage in wrong think, we will
go after you. That's exactly right. And not only the
Justice Department, which is asking for a hundred million more

(45:13):
dollars to go after domestic violent extremists, but you also
have the Director of National Intelligence working outside of her authority.
This is Avril Haynes, whose name is probably familiar to
a lot of your listeners. Um. She is an Obama
loyalist and worked with John Brennan, so she now was

(45:35):
a quainted Director of National Intelligence. Her very first threat
assessment that she issued in March was about domestic violent
extremists above that category. Lisa, They're not even trying to
hide it. She includes a sketch of the Capitol building.
So the idea is what the message that she was
sending people who are at the capitol that day, near

(45:57):
the Capitol in Washington, d C. Who voted for Donald Trump, Right,
this is the continuum. They are to be considered domestic
violent extremists. The problem, as Devin noon As and others
confronted her in the House Intelligence Committee meeting a few
months ago, she's not supposed to be looking at Americans.
Her her view is only foreign terrorists. So they said

(46:20):
to her, well, why did you what tools did you use?
You're not supposed to use any of your authority to
go after Americans, And she said, well, you know, we're
really not we're just basing it off with the FBI
is telling often, well, you put together this whole threat
assessment that you said was you know, based on classified
information that they never provided, because of course it doesn't exist.

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So this was just a piece of propaganda coming out
of another very powerful um government agency, government community to
send the message that they're going to be working collaborative,
collaboratively with the Biden regime, uh, to go after people
on the right. And so this is what we're seeing repeatedly, repeatedly,

(47:04):
and now to see the military going along with it.
I mean that that really should raise red flags for everyone.
And what exactly happened to Ashley Babbitt? I mean, what
do we what do we know? You know, breakdown what
we know and what we don't know. Um, all we
really know is that she was shot, as some people
describe it, executed on that day. We don't know her killer.

(47:28):
He is a US Capital Police officer. He's never been identified. Uh.
The investigation to the extent that there was one by
d C Metro Police and the Justice Department was closed
basically saying that his actions were justified because she was
a threat, she was unarmed. Um, but there's a lot
to this, Lisa. Why was she in that area? There

(47:51):
were Capital Police clearly behind her, several of them. Were
they directing her to that area? Where they were they
pushing that group of people towards uh that that doorway? Um?
Were they sort of surrounded by police? I mean you
have to think you know, La, sy've been in the
Capitol building it's I mean, the whole Capital complex. It's huge.

(48:14):
It's very confusing, even for people who go there all
the time. Imagine going there for the first time. She
had no idea where she was going. Um and so
the thought that you could just shoot someone in the
US Capitol building, UH, that the government declares it's justified.
The name is never released, even though the media knows
who it is. They're too afraid to uh to release

(48:36):
his name, and that's all that we know. UH is
not acceptable. So her family is suing. I believe they're
suing US Capital Police and a few other agencies. They're
demanding to know the name of the police officer. But
this is one more cover up by the U. S.
Capitol Police. The video, the name of the shooter, how

(48:59):
they seated, we have a even gotten into how they seated,
a lie about what happened to Brian sick Nick. This
is the agency who said on January seven, he was
killed in the line of duty. He wasn't. Um and
so they still to this day perpetuate that lie, even
though we know he died of natural causes tragically at
the age of forty two. UM. So the Ashley Babbitt shooter,

(49:20):
who started the lie about Brian sick Nick, who perpetuated
that lie. Um, these are still more unanswered questions that
the media surprisingly just does not seem interested in finding out.
Stay with us to hear more about the events of
June Races. When what other lies have we've been told

(49:44):
because you had mentioned Brian sick Nick. Uh, and to
for what happened to Ashley Babbitt, I mean, you'll have
the last You'll have people in the media will say,
you know, well, she was charging the capital, she was
doing things that she was not supposed to do. Police
officers were under threat, you know, so what would you
say to you know, a lot of folks were saying
things like that as well. Well. I mean, you can
make the argument that she probably shouldn't have been there,

(50:07):
and that there were people there who shouldn't have been
inside the building. But I mean, you can't have a
federal officer shoot somebody unarmed who was not a threat
really in any way, who was just doing something she
shouldn't have been doing, and then the case is closed
and we don't know anything about that. I mean, that
just would not have not been tolerated in any other
instance that they were a federal officer who even shot

(50:30):
and killed an Antifa rioter in Portland, or say b
LM protester in Minnesota. They're burning down buildings. Um. You know,
can you imagine that name being covered up by the
media and the government would never happen. So that is
a big unknown. Um. But look, the Brian Sicnic issue

(50:50):
UH is really started this whole idea that this was
a deadly insurrection. The Trump people were responsible for the
murder of a of a police officer, and that really
inflamed people's outrage about the events of January six. They
had the entire procession through Washington, d C. In his honor,

(51:14):
all these UH police officers lined up. They of course
laid his remains in state in the rotunda, as you know,
the weekend before Trump's second impeachment trial began. His family
was there, Joe Biden and his wife showed up. UH
lawmakers from both sides were there. He was then transported
his remains to Arlington National Cemetery to be buried. The

(51:36):
whole idea was to create these optics, this theater that
this police officer was murdered by Trump supporters. The Medical
Examiner's Office took beyond the ninety days, which is the
norm to release any autopsy results. Finally, in April, UH
admits that Bryan sick Nick did not die, wasn't murdered

(51:58):
by people with a fire extinguisher, which is what we
were told by The New York Times on January eight.
That claim even made it into the House Democrats impeachment
memo still remains there, even though The New York Times
ended up retracting that article in February. Wasn't killed by fire,
wasn't blooded to death by a fire extinguisher, didn't die
of an allergic reaction to chemicals, right, which was the

(52:19):
next story. We were told he died tragically of a
stroke caused by blood clots near his brain, had nothing
to do with what happened on January six. Um. But
but it's too late, Lisa, because millions of Americans still
believe that that's how he died, that he was killed
as a result of Trump insurrectionists on that day. So

(52:40):
the truth doesn't matter. The Left sets their narrative right away, UH,
and whatever is revealed afterwards, it won't change the minds
of anybody who wants to believe what they want to believe. Well,
there's also other lies told. I mean there's lies told
about the the amount of damage that was done to
the capital in terms of the dollar signs. So we

(53:00):
had Joe Biden or President UH unfortunately, but who said
that this was the worst attack on our democracy since
the Civil War, which we obviously knows a blatant lie
in a blatant distortion of history. What other lies have
been told? I mean, that's a huge one, you know,
the idea that this is the worst attack on what
is even an attack on our democracy? Mean, it's just

(53:21):
such silly talk that it means absolutely nothing. And so
um the attack comparing it to nine eleven, comparing it
to the Oklahoma City bombing, to Pearl Harbor to nine eleven,
I mean, what an insult to the people who died
in those terrorist attacks and their family members to compare
it to that. But they that's why they had to

(53:42):
elevate the fatalities, so not only Bryan Sick, Nick Ashley Babbitt,
but that five people died. A Senate reports that seven
people died because they're counting these alleged suicides by UH
police officers. Afterwards, they're they're attributing that to January six,
which we don't even know the cause or if these
people actually did commit suicide. So you even have the U. S.

(54:05):
Senate lying about that too. So not only the the
egregious comparisons that that don't work at all, the armed insurrection,
that it was deadly, Um, that it was incited by
President Trump. We know that there were people there who
started this before Trump even started speaking that day. Um,
the thirty million dollars in damages which didn't exist. So

(54:28):
you go down this line of just unraveling. Oh, the
US Capital Police officers letting people in. We have video
of US Capital Police officers talking to protesters inside the
building thing, look, we're not against what you're doing. Don't
attack anyone, don't assault anyone. We posted that video a
few months ago. So um, and now the idea that

(54:50):
the Capitol police and people inside opened the doors and
led up to three hundred people, And based on the
footage that Senator Johnson's staff has already seen, so yes,
people at it badly that day, but it's looking more
and more like it was mostly an inside job. Uh,
And that they intentionally left the building unprotected that day.

(55:13):
US Capitol police then provoked parts of the crowd by
using pepper spray, flight, flash bangs, rubber bullets, um, and
then let these protesters inside to create all these optics,
all this video that this was, you know, one of
the worst darkest days in American histories, Nancy Pelosi said
this week, and I do want to be fair, and
I do want to be honest. And we've also seen

(55:34):
video of police officers getting attacked and what you know,
certainly looks like violence on behalf of some of the
individuals that were there that day. Those people have been charged.
I believe there's a hundred people who have been charged
with the faulting or attacking police officers in one way
or the other. Um. Some of them are charged with
aiding and abetting the attack of police officers, which meant

(55:55):
they preached whatever line. You know, the line was bike
that weren't even attached together. So it's not like they
really put up heavy fortification to stop people from getting
into the capital. UM. So yes, they're definitely there. There
were people who assaulted police officers. They should be charged,
they will be charged. Um. But we're talking about different

(56:18):
subsets of people involved on January six, So to paint
all of them as the same certainly as insurrectionists or seditionists.
Uh is far from the reality of what happened on
January six, And I think that is the distinction that
matters and is the heart of it is because you
can say that the individuals that were there deserved to

(56:41):
have justice and deserves to have an equal application of
justice and the law applied to them as we've seen
you look at places like New York with black lives
matter of you know, letting hundreds of looters off of
charges that there should be an equal application of justice
and a differentiating between some of the individuals who we're
on camera acting, you know terribly, versus people that maybe

(57:04):
have been let in by Capital police, which is also
what you know appears to be on camera at all
as well. So it at the essence of it, at
the heart of it is just ensuring that people have
a just treatment by or law enforcement in the legal system.
That's right. I mean, you cannot have the unequal system
of justice. You can't have one person who's accused of

(57:24):
using bear spraying the Capital who um is charged with possession,
possessing or using a deadly or dangerous weapon, who sits
in a jail for months on and awaiting trial. UM.
And then other people in Portland or other areas who
also use chemical spray against federal officers who are let

(57:45):
out on bail, who aren't charged with using it or
possessing a dangerous or deadly weapon. Um, you can't have that.
You have to and these are federal cases. You can't
have this ratcheting up of the January six investigation. About
the same time, the same Justice Department is dropping, actively
dropping federal cases against Portland rioters for far worse crimes.

(58:08):
Not only that, expunging their records only to you know,
sort of encourage them to commit the sort of crime again,
which we know that they will. So this is really
what outrageous people they see not just the disparity disparities
and how justice is applied to these protesters, but also
see these huge crime spikes in cities across the country

(58:32):
while our top law enforcement agency is fixated on people
who walked into the Capitol building for ten minutes six
months ago. This is not what most Americans want our
top law enforcement agency to focus on right now. They
want them to use their agencies and their powers to
keep our communities, our neighborhoods, our cities safe. Uh, and

(58:56):
not to send political message and create an entire lass
of political prisoners, which is what's happening. Well, it's also like,
let's just be fair in the sense of, you know, obviously,
if people truly did wrongdoing, then you know, sure charge them.
You know, they should be treated as much, but not
the same level of treatment for people that just showed
up or entered in the capital and you know, didn't

(59:17):
do anything else. So you know, it's it's sort of ridiculous.
What what else am I missing in this conversation that
the people and my listeners need to know. I mean,
I think we've covered pretty much everything. I think for
people who are infuriated about this, really all we can
do right now is push our Republican representatives in Washington

(59:39):
to demand more answers, to demand the release of most
of the footage that day, to push back on the
Justice Department continuing to ask to keep these people behind
bars for months and months on end. So that's really
when people ask what can we do? Um as they
learn more and more about what's happening. I unfortunately, at

(01:00:00):
this point this is all we can do is demand
that our Republican leadership finally speak out not just in
defense of these people, but against using very powerful federal
authority to go after Americans on the political right. What
kind of heat have you faced for raising these questions
and covering the story? Um? You know a lot at first, Lisa. Um.

(01:00:25):
You know, very few people were willing to pick up
And I want to give a shout out to my publisher,
Chris bus Kirk and American Greatness because they never flinched
in being outside of the group think on January six.
So at first, a lot of it, Uh, you know,
people did not really I mean obviously you know this, Lisa.
You have the people on Twitter or the box or

(01:00:46):
whoever mocking you for what you're doing. Um. And but
you know that didn't really bother me. None of it
really did. But we could see the tide turning. And
I think that it is because we are people are
starting to realize and recognize what's going on. Um. And
So to be honest, at this point, I'm I'm glad

(01:01:08):
that I'm one of the few people who has been
diving into this from the beginning. Not trying to brag,
but I'm just saying, uh, you know, it's it's come
The story unfolding has come a long way over the
past six months. And um so I think people who
are even reticent, very reticent to even have me on
or talk about it, are reconsidering it. And I'm not

(01:01:32):
saying that you are anybody else, but I want to
tell you how grateful I am for the opportunity to
really talk about this thoroughly with you. And you're bringing
up all these questions and issues because you know, it's
important that I think this is the most important thing
that's happening in the country right now. And uh, not
just because I'm covering it, but because it's a harbinger

(01:01:53):
of what is going to happen, what is happening, and
how it's going to accelerate unless we uh put up
some sort of defense. Well, there's also repercussions about what's
what kind of society we have? You know, what kind
of America we have? Do you do we have a
justice system that is you know, equal and fair? Do
we have a political party that you know goes towards

(01:02:16):
author terranism using the tools of government to target political opponents.
I mean, the story and the future of all this
and what happens with all this says a lot about
what kind of country we are and where we're heading
as a society. It really does, Lisa, and you know,
people who a year from now are going to come
to terms with how this all unfolded and how this
came together under Joe Biden's presidency. It's going to be

(01:02:39):
too late. Um, you know, you's it will be too
late for our leaders or you know, influencers or regular
Americans to go WHOA, this is not what we thought.
We really thought the d o J was going to
go after the people who attacked police officers and who
vandalized the building. We didn't realize that this was going
to be used as a pretext to completely use, as

(01:03:02):
Joe Biden has said in others, a whole of government
approach to go after the political right. Um. And that
is precisely what's happening. If people don't realize that until
say June of, it's going to be too late because
they are going to quash every election reform law passed
in Red states. Uh, They're going to continue to silence critics.

(01:03:25):
They're going to criminalize anything that they deem is a
threat to their power and if we don't keep speaking out,
reporting on it, pushing people. Uh It's it's already almost
too late, but we have to do what we can
do to expose uh this really nefarious, insidious and highly dangerous,

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highly un American, uh use of our federal government. Well,
and the trend lines are dangerous, particularly even just looking
at the past year and the way that COVID was
treated and the lockdown ounds and the government dictating to
us how we live our lives, and the ability to
open businesses, to go to church, who gets to exercise
their First Amendment rights and who doesn't, and letting thousands

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of people protests and ryan in the streets, but other
people cannot go to church or there's limits on church attendance.
So it just it really troubles me that we're having
this conversation about where the justice system is treating individuals
who support President Trump. That also coincides with just the
creeping authoritarianism that we've seen over the past year and

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the blatant abuse of power and executive orders and authority
that we've seen from so many governors and mayors across America.
That's right, I mean, I think in some way Lisa
that was a test run to see how much the
American people would tolerate, how quickly they would submit to
things that are so authoritarian, not passed by any legislature,

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just these orders by governors on both sides of the
wasn't just Democrats, with a lot of Republicans too, And
how much we would give up our liberties and freedoms
to a handful of bureaucrats like Anthony Fauci with ulterior motives, um, incompetent,
corrupt that incompetent at best, corrupt at worst. Um. And

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they saw how fast they could roll up, uh, you know,
power and force people to shut down their businesses and
give up their personal freedom and liberties. And so that
was a little bit of or what happened during the election,
and they got away with it again. But Trump was
a fascist, yeah, exactly right, right, he was. He was

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a bad guy. If only if only he was a fascist,
we we would be talking about a way different situation
in our federal agencies. But unfortunately that was not the case. Uh.
And and of course you have people like Max and
Waters voting to impeach Trump, saying that he incited a
riot who are completely guilty of using the exact same

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Rhoderic that they deemed insightful. So, uh, what is up
is down and what is down is up in today's society,
Julie Sadleigh. Yes, that is absolutely the truth, right, So, yeah,
what is up is down and down is up? I
don't know if I said it correctly before, but I
will say right then. Uh, Julie. The whole entire point
of my podcast, and the reason why I wanted to

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do this and the reason why this podcast means so
much to me, is to be able to have conversations
like this, to be able to have conversations that the
mainstream media are censoring and trying to silence, because the
truth matters in society and without it, we are not
a society, and we're certainly not a civil society. Uh.
And so I appreciate the work that you're doing, and
I appreciate you taking the time to come on the

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truth with Lisa Booth. This was so great, such a
thorough and uh conversation, and you you knew all your stuff,
and so I really appreciate it. And uh, I know
the people involved, the families and Americans who have been
caught up in this destructive investigation and will be very
grateful for your coverage. So thank you. We'll keep fighting

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for the truth. Julian, I will continue to follow your work.
Uh and where can people find it? Just for the
folks at home, where can they find your work? Where
can they find you on Twitter? Sure? So my work
is at American Greatness and greatness dot com and I'm
on Twitter a lot. Julie underscore Kelly too, and everyone
I urge you to go follow her and to look
at her work. She's covered this extensively. You'll learn a lot. Julie,

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thank you so much for your hard work. Keep at it.
We appreciate you. I will, Lisa and you too, thank
you so much. I want to thank Julie Kelly again
for following the story and for joining the show today.
Also want to thank you guys at home for listening.
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Marie Booth also just want to thank your team. This
podcast would not be possible without these folks or producer
John Cassio, writer Aaron Kleigman, researcher Margaret Smith, who's leaving

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us this week. We're gonna miss her so much. And
executive producers Debbie Myers and speaker to Ingridge, all part
of the Ridge three sixty network,